Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Ben Shapiro is a Lion

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 – "Ben Shapiro is a Lion"
Date: September 6, 2025
Guests: Ben Shapiro (founder, The Daily Wire)
Main Theme:
Dissecting the week’s top stories in politics and culture with a focus on free speech, ideological shifts in the West, and a discussion with Ben Shapiro on his new book, “Lions and Scavengers.” The episode blends sharp political critique, culture talk, and moments of humor, centering on the defense of Western values and the dangers of current progressive trends.

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1. Ben Shapiro Joins the Show: Coldplay, Culture & Israel-Palestine

[02:55 – 06:45]

• Introduction to Ben Shapiro: Ben joins to promote his new book, “Lions and Scavengers,” and to comment on current hot topics.
• Coldplay/Chris Martin Incident: Buck plays audio (fuzzy) from a Coldplay concert where Chris Martin addresses the audience, diplomatically recognizing attendees from both Israel and Palestine.
  • Shapiro’s Reaction:
    • Mocks Chris Martin’s attempt at neutrality.
    • Finds it patronizing and hypocritical (“The Yiddish word for him is schmuck. He’s terrible.” – Ben Shapiro, [05:10])
    • Criticizes the “default leftism” and discomfort around supporting Israel.
    • Points out no one would ever “knight” Israelis in a crowd after praising Palestinians:

      “It just shows you that default leftism at this point has just turned to a sort of anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, Gaza-sympathetic stance.” — Ben Shapiro, [05:44]

    • Compares the situation to hypothetical moralizing if fans were Russian regarding Ukraine.
• Memorable Quip:

  “When your second worst decision is marrying Gwyneth Paltrow, you know things are going wrong for you.” — Ben Shapiro, [05:10]

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2. Free Speech, United Kingdom & Comedy Police

[06:46 – 09:01]

• Topic: Graham Linehan detained in the UK over tweets as he arrives at the airport.
• Discussion Points:
  • Clay raises alarm that a Western ally investigates comedians for online speech, drawing the line between jokes and violent threats.
  • Shapiro advocates for leveraging U.S.-UK ties to influence policy, specifically suggesting economic pressure.
  • Highlights the threat that UK/EU speech laws pose for American tech companies.
  • Critiques a cultural “rot” in Western civilization:
    • Simultaneous crackdown on free speech and willful blindness to genuine scandals (e.g., “grooming gangs”).
  • Notable Quote:

    “Good luck to a civilization that is so intent on committing suicide. My goodness.” — Ben Shapiro, [08:55]

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3. Ben Shapiro’s Book: “Lions and Scavengers”

[09:01 – 10:25]

• Premise:
  • Humanity is split between “lions” (builders, defenders of institutions) and “scavengers” (envious destroyers).
  • This split exists not just between groups, but within every individual’s daily choices.
  • Western civilization’s hostility toward its “lions” leads to decline.
  • Key Explanation:

    “Every morning we all have to get up and decide whether to be a lion or a scavenger.” — Ben Shapiro, [09:17]

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4. On Apologies, Cancel Culture & Malcolm Gladwell

[10:25 – 12:05]

• Context: Malcolm Gladwell’s reversal on the transgender sports issue.
• Debate: Should public reversals be treated with forgiveness or skepticism?
• Shapiro’s Logic:
  • Prefers “magnanimity in victory.”
  • Suggests a “trust but verify” approach to future Gladwell stances.
  • Encourages incentivizing honest reversals rather than punishing those who admit mistakes.
  • Quote:

    “If we just kind of take their apology and then boot stomp them, then what we are actually doing is encouraging people not to reverse themselves…” — Ben Shapiro, [11:53]

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5. Lighter Segment: Kamala Harris Book Tour Bet & Masculinity in Politics

[12:05 – 15:40]

• Joke Segment:
  • Clay is dared to attend Kamala Harris’s book tour in Nashville wearing a “future is female” t-shirt and a man bun.
  • Shapiro insists Clay has a “moral, perhaps biblical obligation” to do this:

    “He may be consigned to the everlasting flames of hell if he doesn’t.” — Ben Shapiro, [12:53]

  • Gentle ribbing over ticket prices and Clay’s wealth.
• Political Prognostication:
  • Will Kamala Harris run for president again?
    • Shapiro: “Not in 2028… So many wineries in California she has to get through first.” ([13:59])
• Masculinity & Democrats:
  • Clay asks how Democrats can win back “normal men.”
  • Shapiro responds, “How do you cosplay masculinity? And the answer is, you really don’t… Just act like men, unapologetically.” ([14:51])
  • Gentle jabs at Clay’s self-promotion of his own upcoming book.

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6. The Children’s Literature Debate: Narnia vs. Harry Potter

[16:13 – 17:28]

• Question: Greatest children’s series – Narnia or Harry Potter?
• Shapiro’s Pick: Goes for “Chronicles of Narnia” for its Christian thematics.
• Clay’s Counterpoint: Advocates for Harry Potter, applauds J.K. Rowling’s stance on gender identity as heroic.
  • Shapiro agrees:

    “She’s awesome. Like, really kudos to her.” — Ben Shapiro, [17:17]

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7. New York City Mayoral Politics & The “Adams/Cuomo/Sliwa/Mamdani” Situation

[22:45 – 34:57]

• Eric Adams’ Prospective Trump Administration Role:
  • Reports circulate that Adams may be offered a Trump role in exchange for exiting the mayoral race.
  • Buck and Clay analyze the strategic moves for NYC Republicans/Democrats.
  • Discussion on Andrew Cuomo's legacy – both mock and begrudge his “awful” COVID leadership and criminal justice failings.
• Curtis Sliwa’s Chances:
  • Sliwa, as a Republican, has more support than incumbent Adams.
  • Gambling markets show high probability for Mamdani, a far-left candidate.
  • Debate over whether it’s better to let New Yorkers ‘learn the hard way’ by electing a more radical candidate.
  • Broader reflection on urban governance decline and the perils of single-party rule.
• Memorable Exchange:
  • Buck: “We don’t want New York to have a communist mayor who ruins the place.” ([33:32])
  • Clay: “Sometimes Democrats need to experience the consequences of their own choices.” ([35:10])

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8. Property Taxes, Rent Control & Economic Inequities

[35:10 – 37:40]

• Clay: Shares a New York Times story about property owners suffering under rent control and rising taxes.
• Buck: Discusses Florida’s property tax headaches for retirees whose homes have appreciated, previewing DeSantis’ proposed reforms.

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9. Quick Hits & Lighthearted Close

[43:08 – 46:39]

• Wholesome News: Five-year-old in Jacksonville sneaks out for Chick-fil-A breakfast, police bodycam footage goes viral.
• Favorite Fast Food Chains:
  • Clay: Chick-fil-A, hands down.
  • Buck: Cites gluten sensitivity, likes Shake Shack’s grilled nuggets and fries, apologizes for its “left-wing politics.”
  • Banter over Sunday Chick-fil-A cravings and breakfast menus.

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Notable Quotes

• “Every morning we all have to get up and decide whether to be a lion or a scavenger.” — Ben Shapiro ([09:17])
• “Good luck to a civilization that is so intent on committing suicide. My goodness.” — Ben Shapiro ([08:55])
• “Magnanimity in victory, I think, is probably the best alternative.” — Ben Shapiro ([11:21])
• “Sometimes Democrats need to experience the consequences of their own choices.” — Clay Travis ([35:10])
• “We don’t want New York to have a communist mayor who ruins the place.” — Buck Sexton ([33:32])
• “He may be consigned to the everlasting flames of hell if he doesn’t.” [on Clay’s dare] — Ben Shapiro ([12:53])
• “Chick-fil-A is flawless all day long.” — Clay Travis ([45:28])

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 02:55 | Ben Shapiro introduction and Coldplay/Chris Martin debate | | 05:09 | Shapiro on Coldplay’s “humanity” remarks | | 06:46 | UK free speech debate: Graham Linehan incident | | 09:16 | Shapiro on "Lions and Scavengers" book premise | | 10:25 | Malcolm Gladwell’s trans sports reversal; cancel culture | | 12:05 | Kamala Harris book tour dare, masculinity in politics | | 13:59 | Shapiro on Kamala Harris’s presidential future | | 16:29 | Children’s fiction: Narnia vs. Harry Potter | | 17:17 | Shapiro on J.K. Rowling’s courage | | 22:45 | Deep dive: NYC mayoral politics (Adams, Cuomo, Sliwa, Mamdani) | | 33:32 | Concerns over NYC getting a “communist mayor” | | 36:42 | Property tax and rent control woes in NY, FL context | | 43:08 | Five-year-old’s Chick-fil-A adventure; hosts’ fast food favorites |

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Summary Takeaways

• Ben Shapiro’s central message: Societies must defend their traditional institutions (“lions”) against destructive envy (“scavengers”)—a thesis deeply tied to current political and cultural battles.
• Strong critique of progressive “leftism”: Repeated concern that mainstream cultural figures (like Chris Martin of Coldplay) and Western governments display a lack of backbone, often at the expense of traditional values and free speech.
• Celebrates those who stand up to pressure: Whether J.K. Rowling on gender identity or public figures reversing course on controversial issues, the show advocates honesty and courage—even as it distrusts performative apologies.
• Sharp, sarcastic banter throughout—especially mocking the culture industry’s double standards and the electoral stumbles of big-city Democratic governance.
• Humor balances the politics: An entertaining mix of locker-room jokes (Kamala Harris book tour bet), kid escapades, and debates over fast food chains.

For Listeners:
This episode is a fast-paced, wide-ranging breakdown of conservative talking points in contemporary culture and politics, leavened by the hosts’ irrepressible sense of fun. If you missed it, you'll get a sense of the ideological fights the hosts see defining the West—and the kind of irreverent, sometimes biting humor they use to make their case.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now, and we are joined by Ben Shapiro, the founder of the Daily Wire. Ben Shapiro podcast new book, Lions and Scavengers the True Story of America and her critics, released yesterday. Ben, appreciate you joining us. Thanks for being here a lot to talk to you about.

[Ben Shapiro]

Thanks for taking the time. Really appreciate it.

[Buck Sexton]

I want to dive into this one. I feel like you're. I feel like you're gonna have. Pretty sure you're gonna have some things to say on this. Not, not hard to find topics there to talk. Talk with you about. But Coldplay, now we could sit here and we could just make jokes about how Coldplay somehow went from cool to the band that even people who love Nickelback feel comfortable making fun of. Now, I think, I think that's fair. But Coldplay had a concert going on and Chris Martin, the lead singer of Coldplay, brought some people up on the stage. Now we have this sound, we have this audio. Let's let everyone hear. So this is the lead singer of Coldplay in front of, I don't know, 60,000 people, 100,000, whatever it is, whatever. However many people are in this arena. And here's how it goes when he invites some just people, listeners on the stage with him. Play it. Oh, I thought, I thought we had this one in the mix. I'm sorry, producer Mark, tell me which one we have this uploaded as when you get a second. And there we go. Let's play it. Where did you come from? Israel. Okay, well, well, okay, well, listen, I'm gonna say this. I'm very grateful that you're here as humans and I'm treating you as humans on earth, regardless of where you come from or don't come from.

[Ben Shapiro]

Thank you for being here.

[Buck Sexton]

We're grateful. And thank you for loving. And although it's controversial maybe I also want to welcome people in the audience from Palestine because we, we have a belief that we. So just for everyone, it's kind of hard to hear that audio a little bit, but the lead singer says you're here as humans. Thank you for being here as humans. And also thank you to all the Palestinians in the audience. That's kind of a weird way to approach this, Ben.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yeah, well, as I've said, you know, the Yiddish word for him is schmuck. He's terrible. I mean, when your second worst decision actually is Marrying Gwyneth Paltrow. You know, things are going wrong for you. But, you know, Chris Martin doing this routine here. Can you imagine any other group of people that he would do this for? Truly think of the situation reversed. You have a couple of people, he calls them up on stage, he says, where are you from? And they say, the Gaza Strip. And he says, well, I just want to make clear you're humans. So first of all, Chris Martin is not the person who gets to bestow humanity on. Upon you, Chris Martin, that he's apparently.

[Buck Sexton]

Not a Coldplay fan. We've got here with Mr. Shapiro, but go ahead.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yeah, no, Coldplay sucks. But also the idea that he's gonna, like, knight you as a human because you have come to a Coldplay concert and then to immediately swivel and say, oh, yeah, and by the way, the people who are on the other side of the war from the people that you're on the side of and who initiated, you know, the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, we got some of those in the stadium as well. And I just want to acknowledge, if this were Palestinians, and they came up and said, we're from the Gaza Strip. Can you imagine a situation in which Chris Martin then turns around and says, and also to all the Israelis in the audience, I know it's contrary for all the Israelis, we're so happy to see you here. No way in hell. It just shows you that default leftism at this point has just turned to a sort of anti Israel, pro Hamas, Gaza sympathetic stance. And that's why he feels uncomfortable. I mean, that's the real question we should be asking is why does he feel so damn uncomfortable? Who, who cares? He's got a couple of fans that come from Israel. If I were giving a concert and somebody came up and they said, I'm from Russia, ok, we start lecturing them about the Russia Ukraine war. It's bizarre.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Ben Shapiro. Ben, we were talking the last hour about the Graham Linehan situation in England. Five armed officers waiting for him as he comes off the airplane over tweets that the British government deemed worthy of investigation. How do we fix this? Because I think Western civilization, if we are in the position where countries that should be natural American allies are sending police to investigate tweets. And I'm not talking about tweets where you say, hey, I'm going to kill the President of the United States. Obviously, direct threats of violence are different, but clear jokes. How do we fix this?

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, I mean, I think that there are Definitely levers of pressure that we can exert on the UK I think that obviously we have a lot of military cooperation, economic cooperation with the UK And President Trump is very fond of using leverage in a lot of these different situations, up to and including things like, for example, tariffs. And I don't think that that would be a bad policy here, saying to the UK listen, we cannot do proper commerce with a country that, by the way, will actually pass laws that have an effect on American commerce. Because whatever is the free speech code in Britain, which apparently does not include bad old tweets, if that is the standard, they will apply that to tech companies in the United States. They'll apply that to X, they will apply that to Facebook. This has been like a very hot and fraught topic for the tech companies, the social media companies. How do you even operate in countries in Europe that have different speech standards? If it is now going to be a prosecutable offense, if you tweet something, then how exactly is Twitter supposed to set its policies for the United States?

[Clay Travis]

Good point.

[Ben Shapiro]

And so I do think that the government does have some areas of leverage here, but it does more deeply speak to this cultural rot at the heart of Western civilization now, this kind of importation of people who hate the principles of the country and then a pandering to precisely those principles. Because the same exact country that is now prosecuting a comedian for making bad tweets over over trans topics is the same country that covered up, you know, actual Muslim grooming gangs in the UK and that is currently, by the way, attempting to now import, apparently thousands of of Gazans from the Gaza Strip. That's something that was announced by Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, literally yesterday. So good luck to a civilization that is so intent on committing suicide. My goodness.

[Buck Sexton]

Talk to us, Ben, if you would, about the book, which I know just came out yesterday, and it's got a premise that this audience is going to want to hear about. Lions and Scavengers, the True Story of America. Walk us through a little bit of this.

[Ben Shapiro]

Sure. So the basic idea is that humanity at this point is. Is divided between lions. People who wish to build, who wish to uphold and strengthen important institutions like family, church, balance of power, private property. Right. Those are the lions, the people who wish to build and make the world a better place. And then there are scavengers, people who are creatures of envy, who just want to tear everything down. They see problems in their life. They attribute it to the systems that they've actually benefited from and then decide they want to tear it down. And one of the points that I make in the book is that this isn't just a question of populations and, and groups. It's also a question inside the human heart that every morning we all have to get up and decide whether to be a lion or a scavenger. We all have problems in our lives. Do we decide to attribute that to some outside conspiratorial, malign force and then tilt at windmills and make our life worse? Or do we decide to get up and actually make our life better by taking the duty bound moral action that a civilization that takes the lions, the innovators, the defenders of the civilization, the people who build the social fabric and then basically attacks them because they are too successful, because they're the oppressors or the exploitative, is a civilization doomed to failure. And I think that we are, as a, as a civilization facing that possibility.

[Clay Travis]

Ben, how should we handle? Buck and I were just talking about this and I do think in the wake of COVID and in the wake of so much cultural shift, I'm sure you saw Malcolm Gladwell come out and say, hey, basically I got everything wrong on the trans issue. Of course men shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports. But he said at the Sloan conference at MIT the exact opposite. A few years ago on a panel, I shared that there were direct consequences for me and my media company when it comes to companies that would advertise with us or not, because I said the truth, that men shouldn't be able to compete with women. But if you are on the wrong side of that issue or any issue, public statements like Gladwell, how should we take them? Convenient and real? Or is this an attempt to acknowledge that all humans get things wrong and sometimes we should publicly point that out.

[Ben Shapiro]

So, you know, I think that forgiveness is usually the better alternative here. Magnanimity, magnanimity in victory, I think is probably the best alternative. But now he's in a trust but verify situation. If we run up against another one of these things and Gladwell takes the wrong side of it, then I think it's fair to ask him the question, are you doing this because of the public pressure that you are receiving? Because obviously you've done that before, I think it's better. We actually want to incentivize people to do this right. Just as a movement, we want to incentivize people to come forward and say, I got it wrong. I never should have caved to this sort of pressure. And we want to create incentive structure so they don't cave to the pressure. Again, if we just kind of take their. Their apology and then boot stomp them, then what we are actually doing is encouraging people not to reverse themselves, not to correct the mistakes of the past.

[Buck Sexton]

Ben, I have a couple of just grab bag but important questions to throw your way as well. And remember, everyone, Ben's book has just come out yesterday and it is Lions and scavengers. So, Ben, first of all, because you would have some experience with this because of your friend and colleague, Mr. Matt Walsh, Kamala Harris is going to Clay's hometown of Nashville to give a book tour. And the audience seems very. The audience of this show is very convinced that it is Clay's duty, I would argue his duty to wear a future is female T shirt and put his hair up in a Matt Walsh homage style man bun and go to the VIP section of the Kamala book tour event in Clay's hometown of Nashville. Where do you, sir, as also someone who spends a lot of time in Nashville, come down on this issue?

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, I'm shocked that you're even asking the question. Of course he has a moral, perhaps a biblical obligation to do that. Actually, I would say that he may be consigned to the everlasting flames of hell if he doesn't. I think that that's on the table. If he doesn't do this, I think that pretty clearly he has to do it.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I just wanted Ben to get on the record with millions of people listening, Clay, that the future is female T shirt. We know what the future is of this mission. And now Ben has weighed in heartily on the side of the audience and yours truly, which is, I think this needs to happen.

[Ben Shapiro]

And God himself. God himself. I'm not sure where it's actually written in the Bible, but if you have to bet, put it in Leviticus.

[Clay Travis]

$500 is the cheapest ticket to go watch Kamala Harris in Nashville, which I still can't believe. And it goes all the way up to 27.

[Ben Shapiro]

Clay, you're super rich. Give me a break.

[Buck Sexton]

One more thing on this though, Ben, because help us with this. Clay and I have a little bet going. We're not gonna be able to solve it for a while. Is Kamala Harris going to run again for president? We will mark this down. We will have this clip for you when you come back in a few years. And we know the answer. Is she going to run again or was it too disastrous and she even. She knows it.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yeah, not, not, not in 2020. 8. I mean, there are so many wineries in California. She has to get through first.

[Clay Travis]

That's a good line. All right, so here's a, here's a big, big picture question. This is what my book, which is out in November, that I've spent a lot of time grappling with. I know you've got young kids. I've got the three boys. How do Democrats, like, let's leave aside big structural issues that they clearly have, but how do Democrats get back to where men, just normal dudes, do not see their party as a party of feminized absurdity? How do they get back to where a regular guy who wants to have a beer and go watch a game would vote Democrat? Because I think that's the biggest issue that they actually face. Leaving aside the particulars of what their policies are, what would you think they need to do?

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, the fact that we even have to ask the question means that there's not really an easy way out for them. That's like, how do you cosplay masculinity? And the answer is, I mean, you really don't have to if you're just a dude. So how about you start with men should not play in women's sports. Duh. Men are not women. And a Rahm Emanuel actually is now coming out and saying that. How about you, like, just go act in the world as a man and get caught on camera acting in the world as a man unapologetically. You don't have to ask President Trump or J.D. vance what it's like to be a man because they're just doing kind of man things, which does, I'm not even talking about like picking up heavy weights and walking around, you know, bare chested or something. Just like being a normal dude actually isn't that difficult for those of us who are dudes. But, but Democrats seem to have a very tough time with that and they keep apologizing for, by the way. Got to give you big credit right there, Clay, for pumping your own book in a spot where you're supposed to be pumping mine. That, that is a bold move.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't know Ben was going to.

[Buck Sexton]

Call you out for that, but I'm, I'm glad he did.

[Clay Travis]

I'm just going to say this. I'm glad he did. A book. Ben has got a book, Scavengers and Lions. I encourage you to all buy it while you're there. My book is called Balls. It's not out till November, but you can pre order it and you can buy them together, which seems like a br. Brilliant idea, by the way. Buck's got a book out in January. You can get three books at one time. It's just brilliant.

[Buck Sexton]

It's just the brilliant spundle.

[Clay Travis]

You know better than anybody, Ben, you have to be shameless to cut through the noise on ABC in this day and age.

[Ben Shapiro]

Always be closing, buddy.

[Buck Sexton]

The books. One last thing for you. Also helping us settle another bet. The greatest fictional children's series of all time, Chronicles of Narnia or the little, you know, wizard Boy books by K. Rowling, Harry Potter.

[Ben Shapiro]

So, I mean, honestly, I'd go off. Off the board. There's. There's a series called the Edward Eager series that is fantastic, from the 50s. That's worth the read, but you got to go. Chronicles of Narnia.

[Buck Sexton]

Boom.

[Ben Shapiro]

Having said that, Travis, I mean, does it religious thematics? Come on. I mean, you're learning, like, Christianity while you're reading about lions. It's cool.

[Clay Travis]

They're both wrong. It's good. I enjoyed it, but Harry potter's better. Doesn't J.K. rowling deserve a lot of credit? She's a billionaire. She didn't need to step into the gender identity battles, but she just couldn't keep her mouth shut because she saw this as being foundational. In many ways, I find her to be one of the true heroes. We talked about the comedians getting arrested in Britain, but I find her to be one of the true heroes. Actually, right now, totally unexpectedly, I never would have. Would have anticipated this occurring.

[Ben Shapiro]

I totally agree with this. I mean, she really did not have to put herself out there. And the fact that she did, and then she's on Twitter every day defending it in the most, you know, aggressive way. She's awesome. Like, really kudos to her.

[Buck Sexton]

Ben Shapiro's book is out, and it is Lions and Scavengers. And get yourself a copy and maybe pick up other books as you go. We'll leave that up to you. But go get lions and scavengers. Ben, thanks for making the time for us.

[Ben Shapiro]

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

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[Buck Sexton]

I, I, I look, first of all, if I'm Eric Adams advisory team or whatever. Yeah, take it. You're not going to become, you're not going to be mayor. You're not going to win. You have the worst numbers of any of the candidates right now, I think, including Sliwa, or at least I believe it's very close now. Sleep was a Republican, so it's not a slight on him, but I'm just saying he's not going to be, he's not going to be mayor either. The fact that Andrew Cuomo, though, is supposed to be the savior here, Clay, as a New Yorker who was living in New York during Cuomo's tenure as governor, that's very, that's a very tough pill to swallow. I will, he will be marginally better than Mamdani on a few things. He was a horrifying governor during COVID Horrifying.

[Clay Travis]

All of that is true. I do think this is one of those situations. Trump and Cuomo have known each other for 50 years. So whatever they might say publicly, I think this is an example of somebody that Trump feels like he knows. And even it's a sign of how bad Mamdani is that Cuomo could be the savior in any situation. But it appears that Eric Adams is on the verge of dropping out. What does Curtis Sliwa do? What should he do? We'll talk about that when we come back.

[Buck Sexton]

You should, if, if Cuomo manages to be the last guy left, he should offer Sliwa, you'll be my deputy mayor in charge of police and you know, police relations and public safety, something like that. I wonder if you take it on days you need energy, you need chalk, nutritional supplements. I've actually got chalk in this glass in front of me right now. You can tell I've got Chad mode, my friends, which is their pre workout, which gives me a boost for doing the show, going for walks, doing workouts, stuff around the house. Pure energy in a glass from Chad mode by chalk. Go to Chalk's site, you'll see the male vitality stack. That's their most popular line. For a lot of you guys out there, that's what I would start with. The male vitality sac can replenish your testosterone level in just three months time according to studies. So if you're looking to up your energy focus and drive right now, go check out chalk.com c h o q.com these are top quality supplements. I take them every day. Use my name Buck as the promo code to get a massive discount on any Chalk subscription for life. That's choq.com use my name Buck on a massive discount on a subscription. Go check it out chalk.com welcome back in to Clay and Buck. Very interesting news here breaking. We were just discussing, discussing about Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City, America's largest city, of course my former hometown and in many ways always my hometown. That he is being induced perhaps by the Trump administration to drop out of the mayor's race, that he absolutely will not win. Like he, he definitely won't win. He's not, he's not even close to the, to some of the other contenders, namely Mamdani and Cuomo. Guys, tell me if, if, whether Sliwa or, or Adams has more support in the polls right now. I'd be interested to see that. Cause if you're a Republican, a lot of them are gonna, are gonna go Sliwa. Right? So I, I think Adams might be in last place right now of the, of the candidates that anyone's heard of, there might even be some other candidates in the mix. So I'm not watching it as closely as I used to because I don't live in New York. But we're paying attention here, of course, on Clay, and buck to the broad strokes of what's going on. And here's what I, what I think you'll see. Clay. This is a reminder to everybody that Eric Adams, we're talking before about whether something is opportunistic or something is in earnest when someone says I was wrong or I. When they're willing to speak out against the dominant narrative when it was very important for the nation. Eric Adams, he's not a good mayor. Ok. I don't think he's a. He's not a malignant mayor. Like, he's not de Blasio, who just tried to, you know, he, he was like a malignant tumor on the city of New York. De Blasio tried to do everything he could to undermine New York City, in my opinion. I was living there when he was mayor.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I think Eric Adams, you know, is not really up for the job in a lot of ways, but I think that he was trying, you know, he's trying to back the police more, trying to do things better. But on the issue of illegals in New York City, this really elevated it because he was the first major voice of any city in America who was a Democrat to come out and say, hey, this is a problem and this needs to stop. Like, we can't just allow these people who need a tremendous amount of resources, who do take resources from the, you know, from the rest of the American public. 30% of emergency room visits, 20% of all hotel rooms. I mean, you start to look at these numbers, right? It's. And this factored Clay into, I think, the broader narrative about how bad Biden's 10 million plus illegal, you know, jailbreak into America was. And I think that you saw one, the Democrats went after Adams to make an example of him with this corruption case about the airline ticket upgrades or.

[Clay Travis]

Whatever with Turkish Air, Turkish Airlines, I think off air, the funniest job they could give him would be ambassador to Turkey. Trump does have a decent sense of humor. If he made Eric Adams the ambassador to Turkey, it would be absolutely hysterical. We probably have an ambassador to Turkey already. So whoever that is, I apologize. But I do think the comedy value of him and Turkish Airlines, you know, would take care of him. But, yeah, like, the corruption they went after him for was absurd.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And you look at actual Democrat corruption out there that they're willing to turn a total blind eye to. You look at Hunter Biden selling half million dollar paintings, ok, like we know that they'll do anything for power and sort of pretend that flight upgrades. My point here, Clay, is that Eric Adams was. Now, maybe he saw down the line that there was an opportunity here that's, that's playing 4D chess a bit, that there could be this situation playing out. I think it's more likely that he just realized this is a mess. They're making a mess of my city with this illegal influx problem that's been going on with Biden. And he played an important. So, you know, if they could find the right spot for him in the administration, I think that he performed an important national public service, even if he wasn't a very good mayor by speaking the truth about illegals.

[Clay Travis]

I also think they would have to find a job for Curtis Sliwa. And I understand that everybody says I'm not leaving the race. I'm all in for it. And I understand why Sliwa would say I'm the better option than Cuomo. Look at how bad Cuomo was during COVID This guy doesn't deserve the job. But if there's anything other than one actual opposition to mom, Donnie Mamdani wins. So you have to rely upon people to do what may be not at the peak of their own best interest in order to advance the city of New York's best interest. And a lot of politicians aren't willing to do that.

[Buck Sexton]

Just to be clear. I would. I mean, I'm basically right on this. I knew I was directionally right. Adams is the weakest. Sliwa has more support in most of the polls because he's the Republican and there's a decent number of Republicans in the five boroughs. He has more support than Adams. The Clay, that's another way of saying the existing mayor of New York is doing the worst in this mayoral election. So whatever job the Trump administration's thinking of offering Eric Adams, it's probably a pretty good deal for Eric Adams may.

[Clay Travis]

Not even need a Trump job. To be fair to Eric Adams, I would think there are a lot of people in New York City who could hire Eric Adams to come work inside of their company, pay him way more than a government job pays to effectively be a lobbyist in New York City. I mean, the guy has. Whatever you think about him, the guy has tons of connections to help get things done in New York City. And for some of these billionaires that are out there that really desperately care about the future of New York City. Having Eric Adams, one of a thousand people, on their payroll, is not a bad decision either. By the way, same thing could be said about Curtis Lewis. If you look at the gambling markets right now. Zo Ron Mamdani, 80% chance of being elected mayor of New York city. Andrew Cuomo, 18%. Eric Adams, less than 1%. Curtis Sliwa, less than 1%. So what the markets are telling us here is it's Cuomo or it's Mom Donnie, and basically nobody else has a chance. I just.

[Buck Sexton]

I know Mom Donnie's a mom. Donnie is a commie. And the stuff he's saying. Cuomo's awful, though. I don't. Cuomo is the guy behind. I know. I focus on the COVID part of this. And, you know, him doing the. Oh, let's do a press conference. Let's talk about Cuomo chips. If you're going to sit at a bar, you need to order food. Like, he went through all. I was watching this day in and day out.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And Clay, he's the jailbreak.

[Clay Travis]

They gave him an Emmy. Do you remember that? They gave him a special Emmy for his press conferences.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that was. It was must see TV in New York at the time because of the theatrics around all the things that he was demanding we do. And I would just say, yeah, that was bad. But also, he was the jailbreak guy. The jailbreak bill up in Albany, the no cash bail, a lot of the criminal justice problems that New York then had to deal with, and just sort of disorder and decay on the streets were directly pushed by Cuomo. So, I mean, he is. Yeah, he's not a communist. Ok. So would he be better for the business environment? Sure. You know, are there. I recognize. But, man, is he not an exciting alternative, even based. You know, he's better than Mom Donnie, but barely, is what I'm saying. Like, it's not great if he becomes the mayor. It's not like New Yorkers should celebrate it that much.

[Clay Travis]

And this is where I come back to the argument I've made related to New York City's mayor. Let him make a bad choice.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, Nashville, man. That's enough. That's enough out of you. That's enough.

[Clay Travis]

I want Mom Donnie to be one of the faces of the Democrat party in 2026. And if that means that we have to pick an awful leader for New York City, why should all the sane people of New York have to band together to protect Democrats from the choice that they made.

[Buck Sexton]

And now I know how you Alabama football fans feel. Clay. Just when he's just poking you to poke you. You know what I mean? He's just sort of poking the bear here. We don't want New York to have a communist mayor who ruins the place. It's going to be very, very bad for a lot of people. And it could spread. You think the big miss. What was the Bush phrase? Misunderstimated. I almost did it there. The big.

[Clay Travis]

Underestimation.

[Buck Sexton]

Underestimation. Thank you. Misunderestimate. It's fun to say. Yeah, yeah. Is it a word?

[Clay Travis]

I know. It is not a word.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no.

[Clay Travis]

But it's not a word.

[Buck Sexton]

Bush said it is the point.

[Clay Travis]

Underestimate. The combination of the two is kind of makes sense to create.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, yeah, I agree. You know, Bush. Bush was, you know, was. Was a wordsmith by accident. So I would say the problem we've seen in a lot of these cities, look at Chicago, perfect example. You could have argued Lori Lightfoot. You need to have Lori Lightfoot's administration, which is anti cop business as usual for the corrupt daily machine of Chicago, go down the list, all this stuff, and then people will figure it out. Clay, they went even crazier with the next mayor.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, they did.

[Buck Sexton]

So.

[Clay Travis]

And I just think New York City might need to. Might need to. Sometimes you got to let the kids make the bad decision. Wo.

[Buck Sexton]

Or listeners. You hear this. He wants. He just thinks that you need to feel the pain. He thinks that you need to like, like Bruce Wayne's parents in Gotham. Watch your back when you're going to a Broadway show. You know, this is not the way we want it.

[Clay Travis]

I appreciate everybody who is smart enough not to vote for Mom. Donnie, they're already listening to us. A lot of them know they're nodding along right now saying sometimes experience is the best teacher and sometimes Democrats need to experience the consequences of their own choices. And in order to recognize that it's a poor decision, you can only tell people for so long. And I was reading. I mean, this is actually super sad. I was reading over the weekend, getting ready for the show this week. The number of people out there that are landlords, you know, they want to talk about freezing rent. You know what doesn't get frozen most of the time? Property taxes. So the number of landlords, I mean, some of you who own buildings, uh, they think they try to turn it into, oh, everybody's so rich if they're landlords. They had a. I give the New York Times credit. A really good profile on a woman in the Bronx who was a landlord, can't afford to pay her mortgage because they won't allow her to raise the rent. But yet her property taxes keep going up. And so she actually is losing money based on what she's allowed to charge her residence and the property. Basically, it makes no sense. And so this is the reality of when you stop people from being able to charge the rents that they should, sometimes you are creating situations where the loss basically goes straight to the property owner in exchange of the renter.

[Buck Sexton]

This is why Ron DeSantis, and this is very important for the state of Florida and Governor DeSantis, I think, is completely correct on this, and this should be getting more attention. This is why Ron DeSantis is trying to get through the state house, state legislature in Tallahassee. A change in the way. Look, he's trying to end property tax. There's some more specifics to it. But the problem you have in Florida right now, and there's a lot of people on fixed income here, a lot of retirees here. We all know that. And you have property values have, because of supply and demand, gone up dramatically, but they do it as a percentage of your assessed value.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So you get all these Florida. You get all these people that are like, I was living in a, you know, a three or four hundred thousand dollars house and I was perfectly happy and maybe even my mortgage was paid off. Now I have to pay taxes on a $1.2 million house.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. No.

[Buck Sexton]

How is. Or the state will take my home. How is that fair? You're renting your house now from the state. It's crazy.

[Clay Travis]

This is what Californians had to deal with and why they basically put in place, I think, I mean, the prop. The propositions have passed that don't allow property values to be raised at, you know, exorbitant rates. Relative to your point, there's a lot of people who bought homes. I mean, this is sadly one of the results of the fires in Los Angeles. A lot of people were living in those homes for decades. They could never have afforded them if they were buying them in real time. House burns down and basically nothing is getting rebuilt there. I mean, have you seen some of the helicopter footage of. I know, the immediate aftermath of the natural disaster. Eventually the attention kind of goes away. By and large, they have not been able to get back to building those homes, back to where they were. I mean, it's. It's just sadly, what one party rule has created is everything is broken much of it in California. Look tomorrow we've got the NFL returning. We were talking about this. I was talking about it earlier with with fanduel who decides to support you matters a lot. And prize picks a great business. They just want everybody to play. Doesn't don't really care what your politics are. They just like people who like football. And that is the case whether you're interested in watching Eagles Cowboys tomorrow night or Friday night. You got the Chiefs Chargers down in Brazil. You can download the Prize Picks app. We're going to give you a pick tomorrow for Thursday Night Football. We'll give you a hookup with the Cowboys going up against the Eagles. You get $50 when you play $5 right now you can play in California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, all over the country. Download the Price Picks app. Use my name Clay as the code. You get $50 instantly when you play $5. That's code CLAY on prize picks $50 instantly when you play five dollars. Win or lose, you'll get 50 bucks just for playing. Guaranteed. That is pricepix.com code clay one more time pricepix.com code clay keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 47 podcast Clay and Buck highlight Trump replays from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's [e-mail]. you can check out the video there. Clay also shared it. It's gotten millions of views there. I just, it's. It's funny to me because I feel like I remember one time trying to go to. Trying to walk to school when I was way too young to do so. When I was a kid, I think I got one block and turned around. You know, this is a thing that sometimes happens, but that this kid actually, this video, if he actually showed up in the Chick Fil a.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Five years old. He's just a little guy showed up in the Chick Fil a. He's very excited to get his chicken sandwich, I suppose. Or does Chick Fil A do a specific breakfast? I don't know enough about Chick Fil.

[Clay Travis]

A. Oh, yes, they got your great Chick. I mean, again, they should really sponsor the show. But they've got a great chicken biscuit. They've got very specific. They got the hash browns. Circle hash browns. Not like the big ones like McDonald's. Chick fil a is flawless all day long. But yes, they have a specific breakfast offering.

[Buck Sexton]

Are they. Is that. Is it all in your favorite, your favorite fast food chain, Chick Fil A?

[Clay Travis]

Not even a. Not even a close second. The number of times I'm driving on a Sunday. And I think, man, I'd like to get Chick Fil A and then realize, oh, it's Sunday. They're not. They're. They're closed. Especially after a college football Saturday. Maybe a few drinks the night before. I. Chick Fil a is by far my favorite. You have a favorite?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I mean, I can't have gluten, obviously, so that makes Chick Fil a a little more complicated. Although I love their grilled nuggets and their waffle fries are phenomenal. So I do eat Chick Fil A. I'm a big fan. I know it's going to make me sound like Commie Momdani Clay, but I'm a Shake Shack Guy Love Shake Shack. Just a little left wing, little left wing wing politics at the top there unfortunately.

[Clay Travis]

Gotta go Chick Fil A. We love all of you. Thanks for hanging with us. We'll be back tomorrow with you on Thursday.

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