Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Buck Slams Hamas Savages

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 – Buck Slams Hamas Savages
Date: May 16, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview: Episode Theme

This episode centers on the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, media narratives surrounding war crimes and atrocities, and the broader question of how societies distinguish between good and evil in responses to terrorism. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton react forcefully to controversial claims made by The New York Times regarding Israeli conduct, recount the horrors of October 7th, 2023, and explore both the media and algorithmic campaigns that, in their view, distort public understanding of these events. Additional discussion touches on US domestic politics, including fraud in healthcare and California’s criminal justice policies, and the state of urban liberalism.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Media Narratives and Accusations Against Israel

Timestamp: 03:13–12:16

• NYT Allegation: Clay introduces a New York Times report (Nicholas Kristof) alleging Israel trained dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners, and frames it as a “blood libel” and outrageous, thinly-sourced narrative.
• Personal Testimony: Clay recounts his visit to Israel, specifically kibbutzes and the Nova Music Festival, describing the aftermath of the October 7th Hamas attack and the atrocities committed against Israelis.

  “I met people who were eyewitnesses and walked me through exactly what happened.” (Clay, 04:28)

• Buck's Counterterrorism Perspective: Buck, drawing on his CIA experience, underlines the pattern of false atrocity propaganda used by terrorist organizations and their sympathizers to radicalize others:

  “They lie about this all the time... their intended audience is often other Muslim males who are angry and disaffected...” (Buck, 07:27)

• Contrast with Actual Evidence: Buck references a new 300-page report detailing sexual terrorism by Hamas on October 7th, noting its comprehensive sourcing versus Kristof/NYT’s “obtusely sourced” claims.

  “This is heavily sourced with video and eyewitness testimony, hundreds of them, hours and hours of footage, hours and hours of live testimony...” (Buck, 08:19)

Notable Quote

“This was not a thing that happened because it was fog of war... it was the deliberate policy by the government of Gaza, which is Hamas, the deliberate ... pre-planned policy to mutilate, rape, murder, torture as many people inside of Israel as possible...” (Buck, 09:04)

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2. The Reality and Response to Terror

Timestamp: 12:16–17:56

• American Analogy: Clay asks the audience to imagine a parallel: if a Mexican drug cartel massacred and kidnapped Americans across the southern border, how would the US respond?

  “Imagine that a group of terrorists came across the southern border from Mexico and raped and murdered 1200 innocent people, Americans in Texas. What would we do?” (Clay, 12:16)

• Vengeance and War Ethics: Buck opines that the US response would be devastating, further supporting Israel’s right to retaliate forcefully.

  “I think we might nuke Tijuana tomorrow and not lose a moment’s sleep, honestly.” (Buck, 12:35)

• Algorithmic Manipulation & Paid Campaigns: Clay describes what he sees as a coordinated online effort to make Israel the villain in the conflict, asserting this is especially effective on the young via social media algorithms.

  “I think it's a calculated paid attempt to try and make Israel the bad guy. And I think they're going after young people in particular who are susceptible and persuadable.” (Clay, 13:15)

Notable Quote

“If you can't distinguish between good and evil ... you can be led anywhere. And I think there's a lot of young people being led astray.” (Clay, 16:29)

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3. Media Integrity and Financial Influence

Timestamp: 17:56–18:10

• Clay and Buck both assert their independence from foreign funding, emphasizing authenticity in their viewpoints, contrasting themselves with commentators “ripping Israel” and accepting outside money.

  “You and I have both actually very explicitly turned down foreign money. Not something we'll get into the details of, but we only do Made in America, baby. That's how we roll.” (Buck, 17:56)

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4. Listener Response and Moral Clarity

Timestamp: 23:16–24:35

• Listener Call-in: A listener (“Tom in Tennessee”) thanks Buck for speaking openly about Hamas atrocities, echoing anger at ongoing silence and downplaying by others.
• Justification of Retaliation: Clay reiterates his earlier American analogy, reinforcing the appropriateness of a retaliatory response to mass atrocities.

  “We would rain down holy hell on them ... because that would be the right thing to do.” (Clay and Buck, 24:01–24:35)

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5. Health Care Fraud and Technology

Timestamp: 25:42–31:12

• Clay comments on a new US fraud task force targeting healthcare fraud, describing rampant government mismanagement and inefficiency.
• He expresses cautious optimism about technological advancements like annual body scans and AI integration in healthcare, underscoring personal responsibility in navigating the system.

  “I am cautiously optimistic that ... people's own health is going to be better able to be directly treated and everybody's going to be better off.” (Clay, 27:26)

• Buck endorses using AI tools to become more informed patients, balancing technology’s promise with the need to consult professionals.

  “Health care is an active process and artificial intelligence makes it far more possible for us to be our best advocates for all of this stuff.” (Buck, 30:36)

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6. California Politics and Urban Liberalism

Timestamp: 31:12–39:34

• Prison iPads Story: Clay highlights California’s $189 million taxpayer expenditure to provide all prison inmates with iPads, citing misuse and public outrage, and tying the issue to larger dissatisfaction with Progressive governance.

  “Prisoners are using the tablets to watch porn, engage in X rated chats and groom minors on the outside...” (Clay citing Chris Rufo, 31:35)

• LA Mayor/Governor Races: Clay discusses shifting political winds in California and the possibility that voter frustration could spark change—though Buck remains skeptical about the resilience of liberal mindsets in major cities.

  “It’s amazing, the resilience, the enduring quality of lib lunacy in the real hubs of the greater New York City area, Los Angeles...” (Buck, 34:36)

• Crime, Empathy, and Accountability: Clay and Buck analyze a recent NYC crime anecdote—arguing that misplaced empathy for criminals over victims fuels policy mistakes and undermines public safety.

  “Can we use the empathy to direct the empathy to the actual victims of crime that will occur if the bad guys are not put in prison?” (Clay, 38:52)

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7. Closing Remarks and Lighter Moments

Timestamp: 44:29–47:02

• The hosts banter about Trump’s current trip to China, their favorite Chinese food (General Tso's Chicken), and share lighthearted moments including struggles with cold symptoms and pronunciation gaffes.

  “I'm going to to drink a lot of hot tea and perhaps make some ginger tea for myself because that is my favorite of the teas because if you couldn't hear, I am. I'm struggling over here. So pushing through.” (Buck, 46:40) “During one of the commercial breaks, Buck's fantastic wife Carrie came in and said that he was being a wuss with his hold.” (Clay, 46:53)

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Memorable Quotes

• “This was not random violence, not fog of war... It was the deliberate policy by Hamas to mutilate, rape, murder, torture as many people inside of Israel as possible...” (Buck, 09:04)
• “If you can't distinguish between good and evil ... you can be led anywhere. And I think there's a lot of young people being led astray.” (Clay, 16:29)
• “We only do Made in America, baby. That's how we roll.” (Buck, 17:56)
• “Health care is an active process and artificial intelligence makes it far more possible for us to be our best advocates for all of this stuff.” (Buck, 30:36)
• “Can we manufacture sanity and still use the same empathetic desire ... to the actual victims of crime that will occur if the bad guys are not put in prison?” (Clay, 38:52)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:13 – Clay summarizes episode topics and introduces NYT allegations against Israel
• 07:12 – Buck refutes NYT report, referencing counterterrorism experience
• 12:16 – Clay’s American analogy on terror and response
• 16:29 – Discussion on social media algorithms and manipulation of youth perspectives
• 17:56 – Hosts affirm independence from foreign influence
• 23:16 – Listener Tom’s call-in supporting hardline anti-Hamas stance
• 25:42 – Transition to health care and technology discussion
• 31:12 – California iPads for inmates, LA mayoral race
• 36:32 – NYC crime empathy debate
• 44:29 – End-of-show banter: Trump in China, General Tso’s chicken, Buck’s cold

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Conclusion

This episode is a charged, opinionated discussion on media manipulation, the reality of terrorism and the necessary societal response, how empathy and moral clarity can be misplaced in urban politics, and the potential for technological solutions in healthcare. Clay and Buck blend personal anecdotes, cultural analysis, and humor while taking a strident stance against what they view as dangerous misinformation in mainstream and social media.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in our number three Clay and Buck show. Just kind of re. Rehabbing. Rehabbing is probably a long word. Rehashing, rehashing or recapitulating would be another way to say it. What we have been discussing so far, Trump has arrived in Beijing for the big Chinese state visit. We've talked about what might happen as it pertains to Iran and also to Taiwan. We have talked about the COVID testimony that was taking place with a CIA whistleblower in front of Rand Paul and many other stories that are out there, including the Alec Murdoch double murder conviction being overturned, which a lot of people care about that as well. We still got other things we want to get into, including the latest on the LA mayor's race. And this is a crazy story. California has been paying, according to Chris Rufo, they paid $189 million on iPads for all inmates in California prisons. Yeah, that's crazy. 90,000 of them all got brand new iPads paid for with taxpayer dollars in California. But we shall return to that. By the way, Byron Donald, who I think, and I bet Buck would also co sign on, this is likely to be the next governor of the state of Florida, was just on with us in the last hour as well. But there's a huge story that has gotten a great deal of attention from the New York Times and it's going to be graphic. So it's hard to have a conversation about this story without it being graphic. Basically accusing Israel of training dogs to rape prisoners. This is, I mean, sounds crazy, but this is Nick Kristoff at the New York Times has got a big piece that is up Buck. You have been teeing off on it. I'll let you dive into the particulars of the that those accusations. But I went to Israel and I toured the kibbutzes. I toured the Nova Music Festival. I toured so many of the sites where Hamas terrorists raped and murdered innocent people who happened to be Jewish. Not even all Jews, Right? Just innocent people who had gone to this music festival. Innocent people living in these kibbutzes, kids, women, children were targeted. I saw still, bloodstains, awful, violent, predatorial behavior on behalf of hamas, which we 100% know occurred. I met people who were eyewitnesses and walked me through exactly what happened. Producer Ali was there. She was recording a lot of this stuff. We shared videos, footage from all of it, and at some point in time. And it, it really is, Buck, a crazy pivot. October 7, 2023 happened, and then they managed to create a narrative that somehow, instead of being innocent when they were attacked, which is 100% true, that somehow Israel was the predator and the bad guy. And a lot of people who should know better have been continuing to spread those. Well, I think you called it blood libel, basically. Okay, so what is the latest and any questions you have about the sites and, and, and, and, and experiences that I had with people who were victimized, I'm happy to, to, to talk about. But the New York Times is now saying basically that Israel has been engaged in this awful, venal behavior, including training dogs to rape Palestinians.

[Buck Sexton]

So a few things. First of all, coming from a counterterrorism center background, at a time when the CIA was the preeminent agency in hunting down and killing the barbarians of Al Qaeda, this. Oh, the, the Christians and Jews, which is what they would always call any Americans or allies, using horrific torture on us in prison is a constant. They say this all the time. They lie about this all the time. Because you have to understand, even if it's not believed in the west, and in this case, unfortunately, some people do believe the idiocy put forward by Nicholas Kristof. Remember that their intended audience is often other Muslim males who are angry and disaffected and want an excuse to join up with Al Qaeda or to join up with Hamas or whatever it may be. So they, they create this, this lie of the brutalized brutalization that happens. And specifically in this case, you know, the dogs raping inmates at the direction of Israelis. Keep in mind, people would say, well, Buck, what about Abu Ghraib? Yeah, Donald Rumsfeld offered his resignation when that came out. That was a huge, huge deal, huge problem, and in fact led to a lot of insurgents killing a lot of Americans in Iraq specifically because of their outrage of Abu Ghraib. Now, by the way, Abu Ghraib was just another day in Saddam's prisons for decades, and, you know, in fact, far less than what happened in Saddam's prisons. But I won't get into the difference between the civilizational standards that America and Israel are held to and the abject barbarism that Middle Eastern Muslim states engage in on a day to day basis and no one seems to care. There's no real pushback on it. But Clay, something that's important to note about the release of that Nicholas Kristof report was that it was the same day as a 300 page report on exactly what you saw. The 300 page report was, and I was up late last night reading it, reading the actual report, which is why I was also tweeting about it. Sexual terror unveiled the untold atrocities of October 7th against hostages in captivity. And unlike the not just thinly sourced but obtusely sourced meaning there no person should believe the nonsense Nicholas Kristoff put forward based on the sourcing. This is heavily sourced with video and eyewitness testimony, hundreds of them, hours and hours of footage, hours and hours of live testimony from people who were there, who saw this and the acts that these Hamas Palestinian terrorists engaged in against Israel. And I think this is what people have to really take a moment here to understand. This was not a thing that happened because it was fog of war, spur of the moment, some guys got out of line. It was the deliberate policy by the government of Gaza, which is Hamas, the deliberate plea, a pre planned policy to mutilate, rape, murder, torture as many people inside of Israel as possible, to light their genitals on fire, to gouge out their eyes, to shoot out their eyes and to shoot off their genitals so that their bodies could not be buried with any sense of family closure and dignity, to do everything possible, to be as sadistic and barbaric as possible, as a tool, as a tool of policy. Clay, they weren't going to defeat Israel with this attack and they knew it. They weren't going to destroy the Jewish state with this and they knew it. It was just bile, rage, sadism. It was we hate Jews and we're going to show you the extent of that demonic hatred. And people have to understand that that is what happened on October 7th. It wasn't, oh, they do things, we do things that they sometimes go over the line, we sometimes go over the line. The government, the elected government of Gaza chose to do this, plan to do this, had had husbands watch their wives raped before they were murdered. They videotaped this, they bragged about this, they spoke in glowing terms about the mutilations they were doing. Clay, there is no doubt about the extent to which these Hamas animals visited this kind of violence upon the Israeli people. And now I have people going, saying, well, look what happened to Gaza, look what happened to Gaza. War is hell. And Hamas brought war upon Gaza. It is their fault. The Israelis were in absolutely no position to be told, sit back and take this. Go to the un we'll figure out a better way. If this had happened to me, if I was an Israeli, I would absolutely demand of my government that we hunt down and kill every person involved, not just in perpetrating these acts, but. But in planning them and in supporting them. And if that means that there are going to be buildings that blow up that have innocent people inside because Hamas is hiding behind them, I'm sorry. War is hell. Hamas brought the war to Gaza. A lot of people on our side

[Clay Travis]

have forgotten about this. I think all that's really well said. If you want to take it outside of Israel. Imagine that a group of terrorists came across the southern border from Mexico and raped and murdered 1200 innocent people, Americans in Texas. What would we do? We would.

[Buck Sexton]

I think we might nuke Tijuana tomorrow and not lose a moment's sleep, honestly.

[Clay Travis]

We would obliterate the people who did that to us. And all of you would say that is the right choice. Let me go a little bit further on this, too, Buck. I think that there is a targeted, intentional, highly paid campaign to try and distract from what happened on October 7th. And I'll give you an example. I think there are people that want to blame Israel that are being shoved in front of a lot of people on social media through paid campaigns. And I see it in my own household. I was talking with my kids recently. One of them had a bunch of their friends over. I don't even think I told you this, Buck. Or maybe I did. I can't even remember. I know I didn't say it on the air. And. And they were asking me questions. They used to see Charlie Kirk videos all the time when they were on Tick Tock and they are on Instagram reels now. They get Nick Fuentes all the time. So Charlie Kirk gets murdered, and then a lot of young people in America start to see this guy that I don't think has a very big audience in general, and his videos are everywhere. I think it's a calculated paid attempt to try and make Israel the bad guy. And I think they're going after young people in particular who are susceptible and persuadable. And I think you've seen it happen on college campuses. I think it is one of the great flaws of the world in which we live, that algorithms can be rigged and that you can start to see things that are fundamentally untrue. And if you look Ages, young men and young women think many of them do that Hamas is the victim here. Older Americans are not susceptible in the same way, I don't think, to manipulation on this issue. I wish everybody that is listening to us right now could go to Israel and see the kibbutzes and see the Nova music festival like we did and see and read and meet the survivors and hear from the families of those that were murdered. One of the things that I worry about now as a dad is much of America seems to have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And that's why I think, take it outside of Israel, just leave Israel off on the side because they're freighted aspects of that. I like the analogy of what would we do to a terror group in Mexico? What would we do to a cartel if they crossed our southern border and they murdered 1200Americans and they kidnapped 200 of our people? Would any of you say, oh, well, you know, the real victim here, it's the Mexican cartel that killed 1200 innocent people, raped, murdered them, kidnapped 250 of them. Would any of you say, boy, those, that Mexican cartel, they're really getting treated rough. They're the real victims here. Oh, they're having issues getting food. Or would you say they created this situation? War is hell. I think that first person to say it is that Sherman, at least the one that I think gets the most attention for saying war is hell in America anyway. I'm sure it's been said by other people before, but war is hell. And when you create hell, when you start a war, I don't want to hear whining when you get your ass kicked by people who were the innocent victims of that war. And I think you can go back to 9 11. There are a lot, Buck, of innocent people that died in our immediate response to 9 11. That stinks. I wish that there was never an innocent person who died in war. But when you murder innocent people, a civilized society responds and makes it clear that we're not going to stand for that anymore. And I just think there's a lot of people, and by the way, a lot of people on the right that have lost the script and lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And that is alarming going forward because if you can't distinguish between good and evil, as you well know, Buck, and as the vast majority of this audience knows, you can be led anywhere. And I think there's a lot of young people being led astray. And I think it's an intentional algorithmic campaign to try and hide the truth from them about October 7th and the response we'll take your calls, talk backs. By the way, none of us get paid. You're getting paid by so and so. I have never taken a dollar from a foreign organization, to my knowledge, in my life. And there's not a lot of people in media that can say that we don't get paid to have opinions. There are some people who do. Most of those people are actually ripping Israel.

[Buck Sexton]

You and I have both actually very explicitly turned down foreign money. Not something we'll get into the details of, but we only do Made in America, baby. That's how we roll.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. Let's take some some talk backs and get some of your calls as well here. This is G. Tom in Tennessee, listens on WLAC. Play it Buck. 100%, brother. Way to put it out there on the line. I'm so tired of so many people keeping their mouth shut about what Hamas actually did to Israel. Just like you said, if anybody experienced that, you would be like the Punisher going out there to get them. Good job guys. Keep it up. Thanks, Tom. Totally true that Hamas could not have acted in a way that was more inhumane, evil and disgusting. And every single one of them who are a part of it and planted should die. A lot of them have. But any of them who are still out there, we should hunt them down and kill them. So yes sir.

[Clay Travis]

They spent years holding hundreds of people hostage. Again, I just take it outside of Israel because people have freighted opinions one way or the other about Israel and about Palestine and Hamas and like whatever, Arabs, Israel, Israelis, the, the relationship between Muslims and Jews. What would we do if we had 1200 innocent Americans killed by a Mexican group, a cartel of some sort, and they also kidnapped 200Americans? We would rain down holy hell on

[Buck Sexton]

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Welcome back in Clay. Travis. BUCK SEXTON show As we are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program, there is a press conference going on right now that I am watching with Vice President J.D. vance with Dr. Oz and others. They have announced a fraud task force, a new crackdown that is going to be coming that is being led by J.D. vance. It comes on the heels of substantial fraud that has been uncovered in Minnesota, California, Ohio. It really feels to me, Buck, like a, a monstrous percentage of our healthcare spending is fraudulent in nature. Just off the charts, these home health aides, when you look at the number of employees that exist in New York and the money that the government is paying oftentimes for someone who couldn't physically be able to do the job, these autism centers that I've seen the reports on, again, I think the original sin here is the government having gotten aggressively involved in health care. Nobody has any idea what health care costs. Nobody has any idea what medical treatments actually are necessary when a volume based business is going to run you through 20 different tests that you probably don't know. Let me give you one positivity because I'm getting fired up in a negative way about health care. Have you been reading about these body scans that are becoming more and more prevalent? I don't know if you've ever had one done. I have not. But I am told from people who are way more sophisticated than I am that these body scans are becoming cheaper and cheaper and that you're going to be able to, I think in the future, do a body scan. Maybe you do it yearly. You just go in, they look at your entire body. They make sure about whether you've got any sort of beginning tumors or cancerous related issues. And you have sort of a, I guess what would you call it, like a baseline of what your body looks like and then you can compare it in the years ahead. And I am cautiously optimistic that the tech there, in conjunction with, and you've talked about this with AI being able to get all of your meds that you can give AI and just say, hey, here's what my blood test results have Shown what do I need to know? What can I do to be healthier? I'm cautiously optimistic that we're going to be moving into a new era where people's own health is going to be better able to be directly treated and everybody's going to be better off.

[Buck Sexton]

I, this is where I advocate for everyone to use AI and I understand every time you type in anything health related into these, into these various platforms, whether I use Grok, some people use Gemini, some people, you know, all these, Claude, all these different things, I'll always say this is not health advice because they don't want to get sued. This is not health advice. I'm not a doctor. Consult your doctor, by the way, I actually agree with that as the guiding principle. But use these things as a tool so you understand more. And then when you actually sit down with your doctor or when you have a consult with your doctor, you are so much more squared away about what your blood work tells you because you can get all these questions out there first and the AI models will come back with real detail telling you about things. And you know, it's also, by the way, you can put, you can put a photo of yourself into a. I have, I have not done this, but I have friends who have done this who are professional bodybuilders down here in Miami. And it will tell you about the proportionality of, you know, your musculature in your arms versus your legs, your body fat percentage. You can do a, I mean, the amount of data that you have access to now that pertains to your overall health and wellness is, is just leaps and bounds ahead of what it was even 10 or 20 years ago. So I, yes, I have uploaded my blood, you know, for annual checkup purposes and stuff, I've uploaded my blood work into Grok and then I've asked detailed questions and then gone to my doctor like, hey, so is this, you mentioned this, Is this really? And you can learn so much. And then your questions for the expert are better. I will also tell you, although the experts won't like this, sometimes you'll catch that the expert was actually kind of a little off on something. Doctors don't like this. They don't like Dr. Google. I know, I've experienced too. But all you care about is your own health and you have to be clay. This is one of the reasons why no one will talk about this. But it's true. Why Medicaid fails so miserably is that a lot of people who are on Medicaid are thinking that the system is going to make them healthy. Not understanding that you have to navigate that system and bring knowledge to what is going on. If you just show up when things are broken in your body and say, ow, this hurts, fix me. Yeah, sometimes they can do that. But a lot of the time it's going to be much more of a long term issue, a long term fix. You have to find the right specialist, you have to find the right modality of treatment. And this is why people think having a healthcare card, whether it's from the government or a private company, is healthcare. You know, having health insurance is health care. It's not. Health care is an active process and artificial intelligence makes it far more possible for us to be our best advocates for all of this stuff. So that's, you know, that's my TED Talk on that today for all of you. But I'm telling you,

[Clay Travis]

speaking of fraud, which is what they're having the press conference about right now, Chris Ruffo reports. Fuck. California spent nearly. This is going to get a lot of you seriously angry in California. And I think this ties in with why Steve Hilton's campaign, why Spencer Pratt's campaign. Hilton for governor, Pratt for Los Angeles mayor is sort of catching fire with a lot of different people out there. California spent buck nearly $189 million to give every prisoner a free iPad. Rufo says. We interviewed a dozen death row inmates who told us prisoners are using the tablets to watch porn, engage in X rated chats and groom minors on the outside. 90,000 iPads the state of California purchased to give every prisoner behind bars a brand new free iPad. I mean, can you imagine? I mean, this is where your tax dollars are going in California. And I, I just listen to Karen Bass. We had this audio pulled. Karen Bass is upset that AI videos that are pro Karen that are pro Spencer Pratt. As the LA mayor's race is underway, she says that she's really upset about them. Can we play that? Cut.

[Martha Stewart]

What's worrying me now is is that his social media is now taking on a violent turn. And that worries me because when you do that and when your messages are so hateful or when you demonize people, then you do provoke people who are unstable and you can jeopardize people's safety.

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[Martha Stewart]

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[Clay Travis]

Okay, so this I Do believe is going to be a huge test for California next month. You guys are going to be voting, if you're listening to us, in California, you're going to be voting in the mayor's race, you're going to be voting in the, in the governor's race. It's probably not a surprise. So Spencer Pratt did so well in the LA mayor debate that the other two primary candidates have refused to debate anymore. I mean, you know, you did well and that it went well for your campaign. When both of the other two candidates say, yeah, we're not going to do this anymore. And I think again, it just comes back to, are people in LA frustrated enough, Are people in California frustrated enough to potentially leave the Democrat tribe and be willing to take a chance on someone like Steve Hilton, on someone like Spencer Pratt? I think it's a legitimate question about how exactly this is going to shake out. This is one of the primaries that I'm most excited to see what the results are because I have the sense that people in California are fed up. I have a lot of good friends in LA and they are fed up. When I, when I talk with them, they are very fed up. Buck is skeptical that anything good.

[Buck Sexton]

I like your op, I like your optimism here, but I gotta tell you, it's amazing, the resilience, the enduring quality of lib lunacy in the real hubs of the greater New York City area, Los Angeles. These people are so deeply entrenched that telling them things that facing up to how wrong they've been on crime, on climate change, on taxpayer, on anything, it's like telling somebody who's been an ardent believer their whole lives, there's no God. I mean, they, they can't process, they can't even begin to understand like the basis for their wrongness because it's so unmooring to them. So this is clay, you know, because I speak from the perspective of somebody who grew up around a lot of these libs in New York, I do not understand how any people ask me, how is it that you grew up in speaking to me, how do you grow up in New York City and you're so right wing. And I mean, I've been asked that question so many times, more times than I could even begin to count. And I always want to say to them, I don't know how anyone else could grow up in New York City, experience life day to day in that city. What happens when Democrats get their way? What happens when Republicans can get their way by and large, and not be right wing? I don't understand how it's possible for somebody if they actually believe in safety, rule of law, clean streets, all these things. The conservative stuff always is good and works and the liberal stuff makes you feel good until you realize that the crazy homeless people are hitting old ladies over the head with hammers for the hundredth time. That's it. So I don't know and WOR listeners know what I'm talking about. How these psycho libs don't. They don't get the memo. They can't figure this out.

[Clay Travis]

It's been decades. It's why the woman who said that she got shoved down the stairs but she didn't want to prosecute because she was afraid about mass incarceration.

[Buck Sexton]

That is, I mean, sorry to Clay, that is encapsulated exactly what I'm saying.

[Clay Travis]

I, I think it's a perfect analogy. And then what happens? An innocent 76 year old gets killed because the guy did to him the same thing that he did to the woman. And I was talking about this last night at dinner and then had a couple of drinks afterwards. I think there is a way and I could be totally wrong on this. I want you guys to think about it. We hear so much about, oh, that lady thought she was being empathetic, right? She thought that by not putting this guy in prison, she also said she didn't want another black guy to be put in jail. I would bet that she was a white woman, liberal, college educated white woman who thought she was being kind by not putting prosecuting that guy and put him in prison. What if you redirect the empathy to the people that are actual victims of crime. That 76 year old is dead because that woman's empathy was misdirected towards a criminal and not towards the future victims of that criminal. Can we retrain people's mind to the empathy? The emotion is powerful. I think left wingers have been overtaken by emotional response. But if you want to be incredibly empathetic, shouldn't your empathy go to people who are completely innocent that are going to be victimized and not to the victimizer? That feels like a transition that could occur and an argument that could be made that I hear very few people making. But that situation in New York City is a perfect distillation of it. Woman gets shoved down the stairs, doesn't prosecute the guy who did it. Next time it happens, 76 year old isn't as fortunate, he's dead because she didn't prosecute and that guy wasn't put behind bars.

[Buck Sexton]

This, that is the, the, the sort of epitome of the urban lib mindset. And it's like something is deeply wrong with them. There's, there's some way that they cannot

[Clay Travis]

process their empathy has been, has been taken advantage of and they think they're being good people people by doing what she did. And that's what I'm saying, like you did the manufactured delusion. Can we manufacture sanity? Can we manufacture sanity and still use the same empathetic desire which I think women in particular share generally speaking, more than men? Can we use the empathy to direct the empathy to the actual victims of crime that will occur if the bad guys are not put in prison? That to me seems like a shift that could occur if it were an argument made. Well, maybe some of you can start to use that argument with people that you interact with in your own life

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Closing up shop here on Clay and Buck for the day. And we're gonna have a lot to talk about tomorrow because Trump is in China right now. China. China. A capital C and a Y, I think, thrown in there. China.

[Clay Travis]

I was telling you, Buck, this is maybe the first time that we've done a Show since Trump 2.0 where there hasn't been a word from Trump during the entirety of our show today. He's sleeping, I presume, in Beijing right now, where it's 2:53 in the morning.

[Buck Sexton]

He's like General Tso's chicken. Who would have known? It's the most delicious chicken of all. Chicken. The General. He's a beautiful man. That General is chicken. Lightly fried. Very nice sauce. Beautiful sauce. Are you as General? So for the Chinese food, is that your. For me, I could. I could probably put away 4,000 calories of just General. So if you let me, like, I. I go after it.

[Clay Travis]

It's good. It's good. I'm a fan of the General's work.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

The General Chicken.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Everyone. Everyone loves a general General. So as I think. I think that's peak Chinese food. I'm just gonna say I think general. So he's. That's. That's why he's the General. You know, he's not the lieutenant or the captain. He's the General for a reason. Top of the heap.

[Clay Travis]

Let's get to some of these podcasts. Talk. And people are fired up because I can't pronounce words. Mateus. I don't know if I got his name right. Of course, he has a complicated name. Mateus, I believe. Is that right? Is that how we would pronounce that podcast listener from California?

[Buck Sexton]

Come on, Clay, you better. It's perfecta mundo, like Fonzie from Happy Days.

[Clay Travis]

I. I blame producer Ali because these are evidently azaleas, and I know how to pronounce azalea and I know what that is. And instead she's given me complicated phrases that that we don't know in advance. And we all know that I can't pronounce anything that I haven't seen before. So this is, this is all Ali's fault. I'm again not a blame guy, but it's Ali's fault. Let's see, do we have any other corral the talkbacks for tomorrow? We had a bunch of them. We're not going to get to a lot of them here, but we will see what happens with day one in Beijing. I'm betting that we will have a lot of news coming out of China tomorrow and we will get to many more of your talkbacks. What do you got for the rest of the day? What are you going to do? Anything fun?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to to drink a lot of hot tea and perhaps make some ginger tea for myself because that is my favorite of the teas because if you couldn't hear, I am. I'm struggling over here. So pushing through.

[Clay Travis]

During one of the commercial breaks, Buck's fantastic wife Carrie came in and said that he was being a wuss with his hold. He let you have it off air.

[Buck Sexton]

This is, this is true. Wifey lights me up even when I push the through and work through my cold. She says that I'm quote, a whiner about it. End quote. Sad.

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