Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Georgia, You Should be Furious

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Georgia, You Should Be Furious
Date: December 20, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts
Guests: Katie Zachariah (Legal and Political Strategist)
Theme: California Politics, Democratic Candidates, Education & Governance Failures, Georgia Fani Willis Scandal, National Trends

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Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the latest developments in national and California politics, the ongoing Democratic primary debate, California's public education crisis, and a fiery saga surrounding Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis in Georgia. With guest analyst Katie Zachariah, they cut through headline stories, blend in sharp humor and skepticism, and offer strong opinions on political integrity and policy failures.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Kamala Harris vs. Gavin Newsom: The Democratic Primary Dilemma

[03:46 - 09:42]

• Clay Travis observes troubling poll numbers, with Kamala Harris (23%) slightly above Gavin Newsom (22%) among Democrats. He presses Katie Zachariah to explain why Harris is leading after what he characterizes as "an awful showing" in recent elections.
• Buck Sexton jokes about bets and predictions, highlighting ongoing debates about who would run and poking fun at past political picks.
• Katie Zachariah explains the behind-the-scenes dynamics, stating:

  "They're trying to get rid of Gavin Newsom’s track record because...he’s hold the wool over Californians’ eyes...but he’s not going to be running against President Trump in 2018 [2028], and then he’s going to have to fall back on...his track record." (07:30)

• She argues the Democratic Party is "gauging the appetite" for both failed California politicians and suggests Newsom's strategy of leaning on "TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome," won’t play nationally.
• Both she and the hosts agree neither Kamala nor Gavin are strong national candidates but see the DNC’s primary structure (notably, putting South Carolina first) as likely to favor Kamala Harris.

2. The Importance of the 2026 Midterms

[09:42 - 10:52]

• Katie stresses 2026 as crucial for Republican success:

  "If we don’t win ‘26, whoever the candidate is in ’28...we will lose...because we will then be under impeachment inquiries with President Trump..." (09:42)

• Warns of Democrats’ structural advantages: lack of voter ID, supermajority, and the risk of losing the House.
• Reiterates that if voter integrity is not secured, Republicans face an uphill battle in future cycles.

3. California’s Public Education Crisis

[10:52 - 13:49]

• Citing Corey DeAngelis, Clay notes the staggering 26% ten-year drop in LA public school enrollment, while staffing has increased by nearly 20%.
• Katie replies candidly:

  "The answer is simple: with the teachers unions, they are not here to educate our children. California on a whole, we have the lowest literacy rate in the nation. We are at 50 of 50." (11:38)

• She calls out the lack of referendum on public school performance, blaming union-dominated politics and a legislative monopoly.
• Katie highlights overwhelming parental support for school vouchers, but says policy is blocked by the Democrat supermajority.

4. Malibu Wildfire Fallout: Bureaucratic Paralysis

[13:01 - 16:05]

• Buck recounts a local’s frustration with post-fire rebuilding delays and asks if anger over failed recovery could affect the 2026 elections.
• Katie explains the situation:

  "Every single lot still burned down...there are for sale signs on almost every lot on that coastal property in Malibu...They cannot get approval, they cannot get building permits..." (13:49)

• Accuses state officials of deliberate red tape to force sell-offs or rezoning for affordable housing.
• Warns that, without voter ID reforms, "no Republican can win this state."

5. Georgia Scandal: Fani Willis Grilled Over Trump Case and Alleged Corruption

[26:12 - 33:55]

• Clay and Buck lampoon Willis’ testimony before Georgia legislators concerning romantic and financial entanglements with Nathan Wade, a prosecutor she hired for Trump RICO case.
• Notable exchange:

  Fani Willis: "You're asking me to look at documents that I haven't for the first time...Mr. Wade would be the first one in the office..." (26:51)

• Clay incredulous at allegations that Wade billed up to 160 hours per week:

  "Let me tell you something. That is time and attendance fraud. There is absolutely 100 hours a week, do the math..." (28:28)

• Buck slams Willis’s deflection to victimhood:

  "She turned a question...into ‘you need to investigate people saying mean things about me’...People said mean things about you because you hired your lover and then he was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars." (29:13)

• Both hosts question her fitness to hold office and predict continued problems for Georgia governance.

6. Biden Administration, DOJ, and the Mar-a-Lago Raid

[32:43 - 35:14]

• Buck references a Fox News report: FBI agents questioned the DOJ’s probable cause for the Mar-a-Lago raid, but their doubts were overruled.
• Clay asserts this aligns with broader weaponization of government against Trump and expects officials will face no consequences for "lawfare."

7. Immigration and the Housing Market

[35:14 - 37:08]

• Secretary Scott Besant highlights a Wharton School study: every 1% increase in population pushes rents up 1%.
• Clay and Buck discuss how unfettered immigration (illegal or otherwise) drives up costs in cities like New York and burdens working Americans.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Kamala vs. Gavin

• Katie Zachariah:

  "Neither of them are good candidates." (07:30)

Fani Willis Confrontation

• Willis, under questioning:

  "You're asking me to look at documents that I haven't for the first time... Mr. Wade...was a leader...and a public servant. And for that, him, like me, has been threatened thousands of times. You want something to investigate as a legislature, investigate how many times they've called me the N word..." (26:51)

• Clay Travis, on the billing claims:

  "160 hours a week is not possible." (28:28)

Education System Indictment

• Katie Zachariah:

  "I would never send my kids, never, to a public school in California." (13:01)

Real-World Fallout

• Katie Zachariah, on Malibu fires:

  "...they just want those for sale signs to go up, have big developers come in or government to come in and take over the land...if we allow illegals to continue voting, no Republican can win this state. That's just the plain and simple facts for California." (13:49)

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Timeline & Timestamps

• [03:46] – Show Begins: Guest Katie Zachariah Introduced
• [04:07] – Kamala vs. Newsom Analysis Begins
• [07:30] – Katie Zachariah on Polling, DNC Strategy
• [09:42] – Discussion on Democratic Primary Process & Importance of First Primary
• [10:52] – 2026 Midterms and Voter ID Importance
• [11:38] – LA Public School System Critique
• [13:49] – Malibu Wildfire Rebuilding Stalemate
• [26:12] – Transition to Fani Willis Testimony & Georgia Scandal
• [26:51] – Willis Denies Knowledge, Defends Colleague, Plays Victim
• [28:28] – Clay Dissects 160 Hour Billing Fraud Possibility
• [32:43] – Mar-a-Lago Raid: FBI vs. DOJ
• [35:14] – Housing, Immigration, and Economics
• [41:48] – Listener Feedback, Closing Banter, End-of-Year Goodbyes

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Authentic Tone & Banter

• Clay and Buck mix jest and sharp critique, often ribbing each other about predictions, sports gambling, and holiday plans.
• Listener emails, call-ins, and talkbacks contribute to a casual, irreverent mood. For example, debates over the pronunciation of “patina," and jokey complaints about Buck’s gun recommendations.
• Both hosts end the year with messages of gratitude and humor, wishing listeners a Merry Christmas and reflecting on personal milestones.

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Summary Takeaways

• California Democrats are struggling to present strong national candidates, with voter base discontent and problematic records.
• Structural flaws, unions, and lack of accountability plague California’s education and wildfire recovery systems.
• In Georgia, the Fani Willis saga reveals alleged corruption, a lack of transparency, and politicization of high-profile cases.
• Listeners are encouraged to be wary of structural political advantages and the consequences of unchecked bureaucratic power.

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Recommended Segments:

• Democratic Primary Analysis: [04:07 – 09:42]
• Fani Willis Grilling: [26:12 – 33:55]
• California Schools Crisis: [10:52 – 13:49]
• Malibu Fire Recovery: [13:49 – 16:05]
• Listener Feedback & Year-End Reflections: [41:48 – End]

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For listeners seeking political insight with a punch of humor, this episode delivers a fiery take on the intersection of California's failures and national political drama, capped off by a must-hear segment on the unraveling of the Georgia DA’s Trump case.

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[Clay Travis]

Third hour of clay and Buck kicks off right now. We are joined by our friend Katie Zachariah. She is a legal and political strategist. She is based in California. She's got four kids. She's a great lady. Katie, thank you for being here with us.

[Katie Zachariah]

Thank you. Excited to be on.

[Clay Travis]

So tell me what the latest. There's so many things to ask you about California here, but one is I am seeing that the numbers this is a little troubling for me, Katie. I'm just going to say this because I have been unfortunately saying for some time that Kamala is so terrible and was so awful that she couldn't even run again credibly. And now the numbers are telling me that she's looking pretty solid among the Democrats to run for president. Now talking about and Gavin Newsom is having some trouble separating himself from Kamala in this one. You have your ear to the ground of California politics. We what is going on over there?

[Buck Sexton]

That was a heck of a question. And up. And I thought there was such a pregnant pause there. I was like, I can't wait to hear.

[Clay Travis]

I know I threw a heater right down the center at 100 miles an hour there. Or maybe 103 miles an hour for those who know what I'm talking about. But she disappeared on us.

[Buck Sexton]

I do love Buck. The fact that you're slowly coming around to the fact that you're going to buy me a steak. I mean, by the way, also Kelly's.

[Clay Travis]

Dad, if you're listening, Kelly's dad, if you're listening, Clay, Clay is Right. So much. Or whatever. Clay thought Michelle Obama was going to run. What are you even talking about? Kelly's dad, I love you, but Clay has had some huge swing and a miss.

[Buck Sexton]

He thought.

[Clay Travis]

Who do you think the VP was going to be? Wasn't your pick like Cory Booker or something? Preposterous. I don't remember.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't remember the. The VP idea, but I will say that.

[Clay Travis]

That. Oh, no. I'm sorry. No. On the. On the Republican side, who is. Oh, no. You know. No, no. Well, we knew it was going to be Tim K. Who do you think the Republican VP was going to be? I think you said sub. Oh, you thought it was going to be Tim Scott.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought that there was a good chance it might be Tim Scott. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

That was a sweetness.

[Buck Sexton]

Your best call of the show so far, I think, was J.D. vance, because he was a huge underdog at the time that you.

[Clay Travis]

I. I could have probably got either guy, 8 to 1 odds or something on that one.

[Buck Sexton]

Maybe even. Maybe even better odds than that. And. But Kamala's gonna run, and everybody is now coming around to the fact that she's gonna run. And the question that you were asking, Katie, is, I think, probably the most important question that's out there, which is how is this battle basically between Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, who I think it's fair to say are the top two contenders right now gonna play out and buck. I think the most significant aspect of this that will be decided in the near future, we're gonna. Because it's going to go a long way towards letting you know what the DNC is doing in terms of, as we well know, putting their finger on the scale here. It's going to be. What is the first primary for Democrats? That will tell us a lot. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

By the way, Katie, is it. Was there like a power outage in California? Because it's run like a third world country. Like, do we know what happened there? Oh, we got on the phone. Okay. Hey, Katie, I don't know what you heard about our. Well, welcome back. Katie Zachariah. Welcome to the. The wonders of live Radio, where things just happen. So we're gonna. We're asking this question. National polling average, Kamala Harris, 23%, Gavin Newsom, 22%. How is it possible among Democrats? I know you're a Republican, but you understand your home state. How is Kamala ahead of Gavin after the showing that she had in this last election?

[Katie Zachariah]

What's going on national polling there? I think they're trying to get rid of Gavin Newsom's track record because as it started coming up nationwide though, he's hold the wool over Californians eyes. I do not know how anyone can support him in this state after everything he's done. However, with Kamala nationwide, what it shows is that Barack Obama and the Democrat Party are trying to see and try to get this temperature of what the appetite is for the United States. So can they run Gavin Newsom? Can they run Kamala Harris? We have these two failed politicians out of California, failed vice president, failed attorney general formerly out of California, and Senator and everything else. But Gavin Newsom has to eventually. What I think is happening is he has been banking on running on tds, Trump derangement syndrome, and that's how he's by and large gotten so much momentum. But he's not going to be running against President Trump in 2018. And then he's going to have to fall back on, guess what, his track record, his policy. And they're realizing that he's likely not going to be able to win middle America. So they're going to throw back in Kamala Harris as a hail Mary perhaps. I think they're just gauging the appetite here because, because frankly, neither of them are good candidates.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that that's 100% true. Unfortunately, Joe Biden was an awful candidate and he won. So I was just asking Katie, first of all, Buck's going to have to buy me a steak and maybe you can be invited. Maybe we'll have a big performance surrounding this. And so just a celebration of my brilliance when it comes to making steak bets with Buck. But in the, in the, in that battle in California, I think a huge part of this is going to be what is the first Democrat primary state. Because if they rig it like they did for Biden in 2024 so that South Carolina is first, trust me on this. Kamala Harris is going to win that primary and she's going to win it going away because James Clyburn is going to say, vote for Kamala Harris. How much attention are you paying to what the first primary is going to be and how much of a battle do you think that will be to give us an early indication of what the DNC's perspective is?

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, well, to be quite frank, I am very focused on 26 midterms because that will be the biggest indicator for what happens in 28. So you look at what's happening right now with the Republican Party and to be very honest, if we don't get serious, extremely serious about winning and keeping the House and keeping the Democrats out of the House, keeping Hakeem Jeffries out of speaker. If we don't win 26, whoever the candidate is in 28, whether it's Kamala, whether it's Gavin or let's just say AOC and be really crazy, we will lose. We will lose because we will then be under impeachment inquiries with President Trump. And whatever the Democrat primary is, frankly, doesn't matter if we don't pass the SAVE act and we don't have voter ID and proof of citizenship and we don't keep the House because President Trump will be a lame duck president, it will be impeachment. Hakeem Jeffries. And so whoever the candidate is, the Democrats kind of know that they have the system rigged. And if we don't keep the House, they will win 28. That is my assessment.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's absolutely the way this is going to go. I wanted to ask you something that's also a little specific to California here for a second. Corey DeAngelis, who is a school choice evangelist, as it says in his Twitter bio, put out this statistic, which is just pretty staggering going back the last decade. California, obviously largest population of any state in America. And also I think is the LA public school the second biggest, I think, after New York City. The LA public school system's the second biggest, biggest one of any any county in the country. Louisiana public schools have lost about a third of their students, 26%, 26% of their students in the last decade. And they've increased staffing by just shy of 20%. How is that happening?

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, the answer is simple with the teachers unions that they are not here to educate our children. Okay, California on a whole, we have the lowest literacy rate in the nation. We are at 50 of 50. Our public school system is failing to deliver even basic, basic education for the California students that go into the university system, half of them don't even meet the state's own standards in English Language Arts. Okay, 37.3, meet the standards in mathematics. These numbers are an indictment on the California education system. And yet what is continuing to happen, they're funneling money into these school districts that are losing students because of the teachers unions and because of the failed Democrat state that we live in that there's not a referendum on our school system. And there are, you know, 60, I think it's 63 to 65% would favor school vouchers, yet we can't even get this through because we have such a monopoly. A Democrat super majority that they're never going to entertain this. So we. California is a broken state, but our education system highlights just how failed we are. I would never send my kids, never to a public school in California.

[Buck Sexton]

We're coming up on a year since the Palisades fire, since so many people in the L A area lost their homes. I met a woman at the, at the World cup reveal and she said, please talk about the fact that nothing is being rebuilt, that California is a complete mess when it comes to allowing so many people to be able to return to where they used to live and just get started on what is a long process of rebuilding. How much frustration is there out there over what's going on with the LA fires? And does it cross party lines in a significant enough way that 2026 with Steve Hilton for instance, could in any way be competitive, which would obviously mean a lot for the house, even with the redrawn map. What should we know about that?

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, the driving down Pacific coast highway and looking at Malibu, I do this whenever I have to drive down to LA because it avoids massive traffic. I will tell you, every single lot still burned down. There are four sale signs on almost every lot on that coastal property in Malibu. And I'm not being, I'm not exaggerating my indication. It is almost every lot there is a for sale sign. Why is that? Because these people cannot get approval. They cannot get building permits to rebuild their homes and a lot of them lost fire. They didn't have fire insurance and the fire insurance that they did have will not cover the rebuild of the existing home. And as Karen Bass has said, we are going to cut all the red tape. They cut zero red tape. There has been not even one real home rebuilt in since what we're at almost 12 months, 11 and a half months, nothing has been done. And I think this is on purpose. Gavin Newsom showed his hand when they were trying to take a large portion of that land and rezone it for low income housing. And they are now trying to bleed out all of the people that are sitting on their lots and waiting for these building permits. And they just want those for sale signs to go up, have big developers come in or government to come in and take over the land. So this is very difficult to translate to the entire California. However you see, yes, they failed. But if you're not driving by and you're not seeing day to day how little progress has actually been made, it's kind of old news to, to people in California, except if you live in the Palisades area or you've had to relocate. So what does this mean for Steve Hilton? To your point, Steve Hilton has a amazing chance of winning. If we had a fair state, but we don't have voter id. We actually have a Senate. We have it enshrined in the Senate that you cannot ask, you cannot ask for an identification when you go to the polls. It's actually illegal. So if we don't get a hold of our voter rolls, if we don't have more registered conservatives, and if we allow illegals to continue voting, no Republican, no Republican can win this state. That's just the plain and simple facts for California.

[Clay Travis]

Eddie Zachariah, Great to have you on. Come back and talk to us again soon. Merry Christmas and we'll speak to you in the new year.

[Katie Zachariah]

All right, thanks.

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Max welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck, you are about to be on Christmas vacation. What is the thing that you are most excited for this is gonna be your first Christmas as a dad. Now next Christmas your son will start to get old enough where he can kind of know that there's festivities going on. And I think the best thing about Christmas by far is kids once they get to be about 2 to about 9 or so and they are just super excited about Santa Claus coming, it does not get much better than that. So you're still in the pre pre Christmas frenzy for a little kid. But what are you most excited about on the Christmas holiday break here? By the way, we will have a lot of great guest hosts. I'll be with you Thursday, Friday and then we will be back with you after the first of the year. There's a lot of specials that'll be up. We'll have good hosts. We've named a lot of them for you. So you will still be able to to hang out and and have a great time. But what are you most excited for?

[Clay Travis]

Well, my wife and, and and my baby boy are with our in laws for the next few days. I'll be joining them. So the next few days I'm excited to try to sleep a lot. I took a nap in the middle of the day after radio yesterday. I am sick so to be fair but I had a nap and I didn't have to wake up and change a diaper or do anything. I just was able to take a nap. So that's the stage of life I'm in. The fact that I can get some extra sleep is really exciting.

[Buck Sexton]

I said this before. I used to travel cross country when the kids were little and I would work a lot at Fox Sports and my wife did an amazing job as the mom who was in charge of them. But I would work a lot in LA on the Fox Sports a lot. The thing that I was most excited for at the end of work was to come back to the hotel room and have blackout curtains and just be able to get in bed and not have to get up super early in the morning. Now that was before I was doing my crazy early sports talk radio show which meant that I never got any sleep for about five years. But that was to me the best part. My kids are finishing their exams so it is, it's awesome to have kids because it takes you back to that world. Remember how great it felt. I don't know that there's any equivalent feeling to finishing that last exam or finishing that last class and getting out of school for Christmas break. That is one of the best feelings. I don't know that there's an adult equivalent to it. Some of you may say, oh, it's when you actually retire, you know, you don't have to go into the office anymore. Maybe that's kind of the ultimate Christmas vacation. But my kids are coming back home. Yesterday my middle son finished his last exam. You know what he did? Buck? He climbed into bed, took a three hour nap, got out of bed after all the exams and just said I'm so excited that I don't have to do anything significant at school for the next couple of weeks. So I, I, that feeling is very tough to, to replace or replicate, I think for adults. How's the voice going to be for reading the book?

[Clay Travis]

I'm hoping it will be fine. It sounds pretty good today. So this was a pretty mild cold as these things go. But yeah, I'm going to be reading the book. So you've prepared me for this to be really, really tough. But if I can go at a reasonable pace, I feel like it can't be that bad. How many days did it take you to do your book?

[Buck Sexton]

I did it, I did it all of them in two days because I didn't want to go back in for a third day. So I did, I don't remember four or five hours in a row each day of just sitting. And yes, my audiobook is me reading. Buck's book will be audio of him reading, but it is a, it's just a, it's a lot. You're just sitting there. We talk for a living, which is a weird thing to have as a job. But when you sit in an empty room and just read your own words, the toughest thing is you're going to find things that you wish you'd written different, written a little bit better. So good luck with that. We'll take some of your calls to close up the show. By the way, no surprise to us, our friends at PureTalk told us 2025, best year in the company's history. It's your support of PureTalk that's helped them achieve a record breaking year. On their behalf, a big thank you is in order. When you switched your cell phone service to PureTalk from ATT, Verizon or T Mobile, you helped PureTalk achieve their goals. Because of your generosity, through their Roundup for charity program, they've been able to donate over half a million dollars to America's Warrior Partnership. That's a non profit that stands on the front lines of preventing veteran suicide. And when you choose Pure Talk as your wireless provider, you choose to help Support American jobs. So make the switch as you start off the new year. £250 say clay and buck. That's £250 say clay and Buck. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Our good friend Fanny Willis basically has had her entire Trump case tossed out.

[Clay Travis]

Do you think she knows that we're big fans?

[Buck Sexton]

I wonder. I would love to have her on. I hope she will in 2026. I hope she will accept the hand of fellowship from us. Not the same kind of hand of fellowship that she extended to Nathan Wade, her lover, who she paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to. But that entire case has now been tossed and she is being grilled on why the people of Georgia paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation for her boy toy. And this happened a little bit earlier in Georgia. She was not happy about the questions.

[Fani Willis]

Listen, I don't review those documents. So you're asking me to look at documents that I haven't for the first time. What I can tell you is that I'll give you bill 160 hours a week and then Mr. Wade would be the first one in the office making sure that my staff arrived. He corrected their behavior. They thought that 8:30 meant 8:30. He taught them that 8:30 means 7:45. He got there before them, he left after him. He taught them how to do this case. And he was a leader to that team and a public servant. And for that him, like me, has been threatened thousands of times. You want something to investigate as a legislature, investigate how many times they've called me the N word. Why don't you investigate that? Why don't you investigate them writing on my house? Why don't you investigate the fact that my house has been swatted. If you want something to do with your time, that makes sense. And you can use all this in your campaign ad. You attacked Fannie Willis. What have you done, sir? Nothing.

[Buck Sexton]

So I'll refer you to the screen. I know you said you don't approve.

[Clay Travis]

I don't review these bills.

[Fani Willis]

So there's I can't talk to you about documents I don't approve and don't review. Can't talk to you about it.

[Buck Sexton]

Who does approve the documents in your office when the voices come in?

[Fani Willis]

I thought we'd been through this.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't believe you said who reviews the invoices and approves the invoices?

[Fani Willis]

First of all, I have no first hand knowledge of it.

[Buck Sexton]

You have no firsthand want me to.

[Fani Willis]

Testify about something I don't have any firsthand knowledge Of.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, wait, hold on. This is really. This is really the thing that stuck out to me here, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

And there's a lot.

[Clay Travis]

There's a lot we could. We could discuss. Did she say that her Paramore build 160 hours in a week?

[Buck Sexton]

I believe she did.

[Clay Travis]

In a week. Let me tell you something. That is time and attendance fraud. Okay? There is absolutely 100 hours a week. Do the math on that one.

[Buck Sexton]

Everybody.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of investment banker types work at, you know, Morgan Stanley and Goldman. When they're analysts, they'll say they work, you know, 80 hours a week, and that is brutal. 100 hours a week is insane. 160 hours a week is not possible.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's 22.8 hours a day. I believe if the math. No way.

[Clay Travis]

Zero. It's. It's not that. I think he probably didn't hit that number. There's a 0% chance that he hit that number, and I would argue he probably did less than half that number of actual time in any office.

[Buck Sexton]

Beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is totally inflated. But I did. When I watched that clip this morning, what stood out to me was how quickly. And this is like, this is the number one playbook of people like Fanny Willis. Like, she think about what we know. 100% happened. She hired her lover, and she got him paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Georgia taxpayers. That is, as I said, a flagrant conflict of interest. It's completely unacceptable, frankly. The fact that she is still a public steward in any way being paid by any taxpayers is. Is. Is an indictment of our entire system. Okay? The fact that she turned a question, which is a very basic question about who approves basically these billable hours that are turned over that the state taxpayer has to fund into. You need to investigate. People saying mean things about me is perfect and also illustrative of the victimization culture that has been allowed to flourish. I mean, people said mean things about you because you hired your lover and then he was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Georgia taxpayers. I mean, I don't condone racial slurs, but you should be angry, very angry. If you're a Georgia taxpayer. If your taxpayer dollars went to subsidizing her lover, and if he was, as appears to be quite possible, likely even gouging all of the Georgia taxpayers with the amount of hours that he actually worked.

[Clay Travis]

Well, it could be fraud, though, is what I'm saying. It could be billing fraud. It's not just like, he was expensive. It's. And by the way, if he built if he charged anyone, anyone, the state of Georgia, a private client for 160 hours of work in a week, he is lying. That is fraud. Now, you would never charge a private client that because they would notice because they could do the simple math. But the whole point here and why she was being asked about who Approved the T. T.N.A. time and Attendance for this kind of thing, that's that, that, that's why I spelled out time in attendance.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay there. Yep.

[Clay Travis]

Clay Travis. Good heavens. Good heavens, Mr. Clay. Where was I? Yes, it's because the state doesn't pay attention to these things. And so he knew he would get away with it.

[Katie Zachariah]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And I mean, he would probably argue, I'm sure, if he were quizzed on this. Well, I was back billing. That was multiple weeks of work. I mean, he would try to make an excuse about how the 160 hour bill came to be. But again, it would be utterly absurd for they're not to. For the fact that she still has a job and is being paid by taxpayers is an utter indictment of the system.

[Clay Travis]

Can we also, though, just take a moment to think about Clay? She brings among the most high profile criminal cases of any person in American history in the sense that it is a RICO case against a former president and future president. A former and future president. She didn't know the future part necessarily at the time, but. And with that going on, she's going to have flagrant ethical issues like think, think about this. Don't you think that you might want to, you know, tighten screws a little.

[Buck Sexton]

Bit here, make sure that you're crystal clear that you are as clean, as clean as clean can be if you're going to bring the biggest criminal charge in the history of the state of Georgia. Yeah, I'd want to make sure that everything that I was doing personally was as clear and. And protected as possible. There was also, by the way, a big story. I don't know if you talked about this yesterday. I'll mention it now as we get ready to go to break, but I may talk about it a little bit tomorrow. Did you see the big Fox News story saying that tons of FBI agents told the Department of Justice there was not probable cause to conduct the raid at Mar a Lago and the Biden Department of Justice, which I believe worked in concert here with Fanny Willis, Nathan Wade, and all of them just said, we don't care. We're doing this. So the Biden Department of Justice overruled the FBI, which is supposed to be an independent arbiter of fact finding and said, even though you have qualms issues with whether this probable cause warrant is being issued correctly, go do it. We're basically ordering you to do it.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, of course. I mean, not surprising at all, right?

[Buck Sexton]

But the fact that some of these FBI agents are now coming out and saying, hey, just so you know, we pushed back internally and said this probable cause is not sufficient to justify raiding the home of a former president. The, the fact that all of this Biden weaponization of lawfare, not one person is going to be held accountable for it. I mean, if you're out there and you're saying, okay, what were the consequences of all of this illegal targeting of President Trump? Unless there's some major indictment that's coming that I'm not privy to, and I think, by the way, it should be, it seems quite clear to me that the Biden team is just going to say, yeah, we got away with it. I know they're quizzing Jack Smith today, but I'm sure that he will say under oath, he'll just lie and say there was never any political consideration at all associated with the charges that the federal government brought. All I do is look at the facts. I don't care whether you're a Democrat or Republican. I mean, I can tell you exactly what his testimony is going to be, and it's all going to be a lie. But it looks like they're going to get away with it. So Trump won. Yes, but the lawfare that was used against him is not going to end with Trump.

[Clay Travis]

Can I do a hard turn just to get in the Scott Besant thing before I get ready to sign off for the end of the year? SCOTT besant, TREASURY Secretary, I know we're going a totally different direction now, but we covered the Fanny Willis thing. We really just wanted to let you hear her freak out. That was quite a, quite a moment. Scott Besson, you're talking about supply and demand. Turns out it does actually apply to the housing market. And illegal immigration does affect the housing market. Play Cut, a story that the Biden.

[Buck Sexton]

Administration doesn't want to talk about the mass unfettered immigration. They have pushed up rents, especially for working Americans. There's a recent study out from Wharton School that shows every 1% increase in population rents went up 1%. Wow. So President Trump, by the enforcing the border, sending home more than 2 million illegals rents, we're now seeing DNC rents coming down substantially.

[Clay Travis]

I think that that will continue this.

[Buck Sexton]

For the rest of the year. We brought interest rates down, so we've seen more mortgage rates down, and I think everything else will follow that.

[Clay Travis]

Turns out the basic laws of economics, Clay, still apply.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. And this is, I think, one of the most important things about how you can say, okay, what does immigration do to cost of living in many different cities? You know, everybody elected Mom, Donnie because they're upset about what the overall cost of living is in New York City. How much cheaper do you think New York City cost of living would be if there were zero illegal immigrants in New York City? I think there'd be a lot more people able to live a lot more affordably. So when you pull illegal immigrants out of the population, there's fewer people here, which means rents come down. This is basic economics, but it's good to see that basic economic laws still apply.

[Clay Travis]

Indeed. We'll get to your talkbacks and calls here to close us out. My last live radio show of 2025. I can't believe it. All right. Let's talk about Preborn here for a moment. Preborn is in a league of its own. This nonprofit saves the lives of tens of thousands of babies every year. Last year alone, they saved 65,000 unborn children, and they're likely to save 70,000 babies this calendar year. Their mission is to save lives every day by presenting pregnant mothers contemplating an abortion with a better alternative. That's life for their unborn child. People working at preborn clinics start these moms with an ultrasound experience lets that mother meet her child, hear the heartbeat and see the movements of the child within her, and then that so often is a turning point and lets them save that life. Preborn accomplishes this with just $28 per ultrasound. Preborn clinics operate across the country where abortion rates are highest. So if you can please make a donation, do so. And if you can do it monthly, that would be fantastic. $28 a month and it will be matched by a silent donor. This month, I might add, dial pound250 say the keyword baby. That's pound250 say baby or go to preborn.com buck preborn.com Buck sponsored by Preborn.

[Buck Sexton]

Keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history. On the Team 47 podcast. Clay and Buck highlight Trump replays from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

Max, welcome back into Clay and Bucket. You know what, Clay? I'm going to take this one, even though I think you were supposed to, because it's my last one of the year and you're gonna be able to hang out with everybody for six hours the next couple of days and I'm gonna be sad. I'm gonna miss all of you until the new year and then we're gonna be back rocking and rolling and let's, let's get into some of this year. Clay apparently not willing to let bygones be bygones on this one. Terry from Minnesota left us a talk back. BB wants to weigh in.

[Buck Sexton]

Walking.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, it's your boy Terry here from.

[Buck Sexton]

The Crescent, Minnesota again on my lunch walk. Yeah, it's not patina, okay?

[Clay Travis]

It's patina.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, you're putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, let's get this right.

[Buck Sexton]

Your boy here is an English major. Okay? Think about it guys. It's patina, okay? If you collect coins, if you collect cars, you know this.

[Clay Travis]

It's not patina.

[Buck Sexton]

All right? I'm just gonna say that a little something called Merriam Webster's dictionary disagrees with both you and Buck. I flagged this, by the way. Buck, first of all, fun talk back. I'm getting hate mail for you over your gun choices. I don't even. This came to me.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, nice, nice. We have, we have the senior citizens with their 1911s getting angry again. Nice.

[Buck Sexton]

Get ready, Buck. The subject matter was poor choice of words. And then the first sentence was poor choice of words. I would have responded sooner, but power has only recently been restored. If you own a 1911, you need a sippy cup. This is what he's quoting you as saying. I suppose. I live in the mountains of north central Washington. I listened to those insulting words on a hand cranked AM radio. I personally do not own a 1911. I have a Sig 220. It's a high quality tool. I have a friend from the army and she can bust more clays in the air with her 1911 than most men can hit with an expensive Benelli 12 gauge shotgun. You have insulted many brother and sister veterans. I taught and trained the instructors for the 10 mountain division. And then enjoy your rose wine at your next Pink Pistols meeting. Look forward to hearing you bragging on winning the women's division at Camp Perry. Steve B. That is an email I legitimately got from somebody named Steve B. Today. So if he's Listening on his hand cranked radio that you're angry at Bach. I don't know anything about guns.

[Clay Travis]

That we're not the same person like you. It's not like you're doing two voices here. Why is he writing this to you?

[Buck Sexton]

I don't. I think he thought that it was me.

[Clay Travis]

I.

[Buck Sexton]

That I was going after the gun.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, man.

[Buck Sexton]

That was Ricky. Ricky in Houston. Ktrh, great station down in Houston. Ff. You have to admire Clay's unwavering confidence and Buck's humility.

[Clay Travis]

Any real listener knows that Buck's argument was Biden would be running. And the only way he wouldn't was.

[Buck Sexton]

If Kamala replaced him.

[Clay Travis]

But Buck fell on the sword that is Buck island. So Clay could feel good about himself. Merry Christmas, guys. I mean that there's some truth into that. I. I don't want to re litigate this. I don't want to relitigate this, but my thing all along was that it has to be Biden. If it's not Biden, it's Kamala. But then there was one point where I said, biden's gonna run. Biden did technically run, but he bailed on his run. So, you know, we're gonna, you know, we gotta, we gotta just sort of. I took the yell on it though, and I bought Clay the most expensive steak I've ever bought anyone in my entire life. And we got a whole magic show out of it. So that was fun.

[Buck Sexton]

Great. That was a really fun stake. And by the way, hopefully you had a great Christmas party. Carrie, I imagine, was involved in the vast majority of planning that. So Carrie put on a great Christmas party. Hopefully we're going to be able to do some more of those in South Florida in the years ahead, and that that will be a good opportunity to also go sample some more stakes starting very soon when Kamala announces her. So I don't think we'll get it in 26 though, because I think we're going to have to run. I don't think she'll officially announce until like February or something of 27.

[Clay Travis]

I think what you're saying is there's a lot of time that can pass and that the polls can change and that as Democrats pay closer attention, they may realize what a disaster she would be even to be in the race, because she will box out Gavin Newsom, and perhaps it is you who shall be buying the steaks. But either way, steak or no steak, it has been a fantastic 20, 25, some might even say fabulous. And I just want to say I love all of you very much. Thank you so much for listening. My birthday is December 28th. I will be 44 years old and this has been truly one of the best years I can remember. It has been great here on the show. I became a dad. My wife is incredible. Even Clay's a lot of fun day to day. So it's been.

[Buck Sexton]

It's been wonderful.

[Clay Travis]

So thank you all so much. Have a very, very Merry Christmas. And whether you're a flute player or a 1911 owner or who else have we upset recently? Just Merry Christmas, pugs, rose drinkers. You're great too. We love all of you.

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