Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Michele Tafoya Announces Senate Run

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Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Michele Tafoya Announces Senate Run
Date: January 24, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton provide an in-depth discussion of Michele Tafoya's announcement to run for the U.S. Senate in Minnesota. The conversation explores Tafoya's motivations, campaign strategy, challenges facing Minnesota, corruption and public frustration with current leadership, and reactions from both political and sports spheres. The hosts also spar with callers regarding political accountability and the challenges of prosecuting political figures.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Michele Tafoya Enters Senate Race ([02:26] - [16:26])

• Background:
  Michele Tafoya, former NFL sideline reporter, announced her candidacy for the Republican Senate primary in Minnesota.
• Reason for Running:
  • "We are suffering a crisis here in Minnesota. We are at crisis levels—a crisis of leadership, a crisis of law enforcement, a crisis in the middle class... The career politicians are not coming to save us. So I feel like the rest of us have to put our foot forward and do this and clean up this mess."
    — Michele Tafoya ([03:36])
• Decline of Minnesota:
  • Tafoya reflects on her 30+ years in the state and her dismay at its decline: lost population, failing schools, increased crime, and fraud.
• Appealing to Independents:
  • There is a recognition of Minnesota’s large independent streak and the difficulty of bridging rural vs. urban divides in political attitudes.
  • "There are some votes I'm never going to get... But that independent streak, I think they're ready."
    — Michele Tafoya ([07:13])
• Fraud and Mismanagement:
  • Both Tafoya and the hosts discuss the large-scale fraud involving funds meant for children that ended up benefiting “criminals” instead of public services.
  • "Are we filling potholes or are we buying lakeside property for these thieves?"
    — Michele Tafoya ([07:13])

Political Climate in Minnesota and Opportunities for Change

• Minnesota Politics:
  • Clay and Buck discuss the unique “independence” of the Minnesota electorate, referencing historical events like Jesse Ventura’s gubernatorial victory.
  • The necessity for high Republican turnout and convincing some blue-leaning voters in urban centers.
• Democratic Leadership Critique:
  • Specific criticisms are leveled at current figures, including Governor Tim Walz, Senator Amy Klobuchar, and Representative Angie Craig, for “letting things fall through the cracks.”
  • The hosts and Tafoya argue Democrat dominance has led to widespread failures.

Federal Oversight and Potential Investigations ([08:41] - [09:38])

• Call for Guardrails:
  • Tafoya calls for increased federal oversight and stricter controls on how federal dollars are spent to prevent corruption and fraud.

Michele Tafoya’s Transition from Sports to Politics ([10:52] - [14:45])

• Criticism Addressed:
  • Both hosts and Tafoya push back against critics who dismiss her because of her sports broadcasting past.
  • She highlights her MBA, work ethic, and patriotism, crediting 9/11 with deepening her engagement in civic matters.
  • "One of the things my job taught me was how to ask questions, how to hold people to account for their answers."
    — Michele Tafoya ([14:00])
• Notable Lighter Moment:
  • The group jokingly debates the correct grammar for “dove in” vs. “dived in” vs. “submersed.”

Reaction from the Sports Media Community ([15:01] - [15:57])

• Largely Positive Support:
  • Tafoya says her announcement has been received with surprising support, even from unexpected corners of the sports media.

Campaign Information ([16:03])

• Get Involved:
  • “MichelleTafoya.com. This is going to be a tough slog, guys. It's going to be an uphill battle...”
    — Michele Tafoya ([16:03])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reasons for Running:
  • “The career politicians are not coming to save us. And so I feel like the rest of us have to put our foot forward and, and do this and, and clean up this mess.”
    — Michele Tafoya ([03:36])
• On Urban vs. Rural Divide:
  • “How do you get... some people in Minneapolis to be able to see that they need to come to the side of sanity?”
    — Clay Travis ([06:20])
• On Fraud:
  • "The fraud really is making everyone pretty sick because that was billions and billions of dollars supposed to go to kids, right? And instead it went to these criminals."
    — Michele Tafoya ([07:13])
• On Critics from Sports Media:
  • “Look, you can be smart and wise about a lot of things and be a sports reporter... what I won’t do is lie. What I won’t do is sacrifice my integrity.”
    — Michele Tafoya ([14:00], [15:20])
• Sports Media Reaction:
  • “It’s been largely amazingly positive. And I won’t name names, but some of them might surprise you.”
    — Michele Tafoya ([15:20])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:26] Show pivots to Michele Tafoya’s Senate run.
• [03:36] Tafoya explains her motivation and critique of current Minnesota leadership.
• [05:26] Discussion of independent voters and the shifting political mood in Minnesota.
• [07:13] Addressing the rural-urban divide and the impact of fraud scandals.
• [08:41] Focus shifts to how to address fraud at the state and federal levels.
• [10:52] Hosts directly address criticism of Tafoya’s background in sports.
• [12:09] Tafoya discusses her personal political evolution and professional growth.
• [15:01] Reaction from the sports world.
• [16:03] Campaign website and call to action.
• [16:29] Hosts analyze Tafoya’s prospects and Minnesota’s political climate.

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Listener/Caller Engagement ([26:54] - [45:03])

• Accountability and Prosecution Debates:
  • Callers weigh in about charging Democrat officials (Walz, Mayor Frey) amid the fraud scandal.
  • Clay and Buck stress the importance of actual, provable crimes—not just political anger—for prosecution.
  • "Being a moron is not a criminal offense." — Buck Sexton ([31:12], [43:20])
  • Lively debate develops about the ethics and strategy of prosecuting political opponents, referencing Trump’s own experiences with what some consider politically motivated charges.
• Key Insight:
  The hosts consistently argue for "smart" legal approaches over vengeful, political prosecutions:
  • "If you just do something that normal people can recognize is an abuse of the law for political reasons, it can backfire on you."
    — Buck Sexton ([32:22])

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Tone and Style

The episode balances substantive political discussion and critique with humor, self-deprecation, and moments of media/grammar banter. Both hosts and guest reflect a straight-talking, populist-conservative sensibility, while addressing serious issues (fraud, corruption, political division) thoughtfully and with firsthand perspectives.

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Summary

This episode centers on Michele Tafoya’s transition from high-profile broadcaster to political candidate, offering insight into her motivations and the challenges facing Minnesota. The conversation expands to critique Democratic leadership, the need for accountability and real reform, and the complexities of political prosecution. Callers inject grassroots perspectives, prompting the hosts to reiterate the need for due process and genuine legal grounds in political battles. The episode combines political analysis with humor, making for a lively, substantive, and accessible exploration of Minnesota’s—and America's—current crossroads.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We are rolling into the third. Lots of news out there. Trump in Davos. We have talked quite a lot about that, the Greenland debate, but continuing now for a couple of weeks as a major story. Everything that is surrounding Minneapolis. We talked to her a couple of weeks ago and at that point in time I was hopeful that she might be willing to put her foot forward and step into the race. Now she has done so. Former NFL sideline reporter Michelle Tafoya, she lives in Minnesota and she has thrown her hat into the ring to compete in the Republican Senate primary in Minnesota to potentially run for the Senate in November in the state of Minnesota. So as we bring in Michelle Tafoya, congratulations. You have officially announced, we have shared your announcement video. What was the deciding factor and what should we know about your now announced campaign to bring a Republican voice of sanity to the state of Minnesota, a.

[Michelle Tafoya]

State that really needs some sanity. Guys, it's great to see you. Thanks for having me on. You know, when I talked to you a couple of weeks ago, I was close to making this decision and I think just we are suffering a crisis here in Minnesota. We are at crisis levels. A crisis of leadership, a crisis of law enforcement, a crisis in the middle class. And, and it, it became very apparent to me that the career politicians are not coming to save us. And so I feel like the, the rest of us have to put our foot forward and, and, and do this and, and clean up this mess. Look, I've lived here over 30 years. I love it here. I've raised my kids here, my family, my husband and I have raised our kids here. And I remember the Minnesota that I'm sure you guys have visited which is peaceful and you know, safe streets, safe towns and great schools. But we've been in decline and it's hard to watch and it's sad to watch. And we've lost some people. They've moved out. And I've talked to fourth and fifth generation Minnesotans who don't want to move out and they want sanity and they want common sense. Not the corruption that we've seen with all this fraud, not the craziness. And so that's why I'm running for Senate.

[Buck Sexton]

What has to happen for there are a lot of independents. And Michelle, thanks, thanks for being here. It's buck a lot of independence in your state and there's a big political independence streak. Right. And so this is, I think what can throw people sometimes because ok, we got a lot of independents. What else would they have to see from Democrat governance of the state to start to consider themselves right leaning independents. I just wonder where they, if you could kind of frame or put in context the mindset of the Minnesota independent right now. How could you be in the middle when one side is screwing everything up?

[Michelle Tafoya]

Well, you know, I think we saw a significant marker of that when Tim Walls withdrew from the gubernatorial race. He saw the writing on the wall. He was not going to win. He was convinced to step down. So I don't know who the Democrats are going to put in the gubernatorial race, but I think what they're seeing is that a lot of Minnesotans are fed up and that they are ready for a change of some kind of look, the political elites have been running this state and not running it well. And even our folks in Washington, Amy Klobuchar, Angie Craig, they have. They were supposed to be mining the store and they let things fall through the cracks. So this is widespread failure of leadership. And I think the Minnesotans that I talk to, they're seeing that, they get that Tim Wall's got it. And so I think we may be about to see a change and I think that people are starting to, to wake up to it.

[Clay Travis]

A huge part Buck mentioned of the independent voice in Minnesota is the kind of place that could elect Jesse Ventura. For people who remember this back in the day, and I was reading Michelle, and I'm sure you're going to see this a ton as you start to travel the state. What really Minnesota represents is there's a Minneapolis view for what the world should look like. And then there's a whole lot of other people all over the state of Minnesota in different communities who have a completely different view of what the world should look like? How do you manage that divergence between what I would say is rural red state Minnesota that overwhelmingly votes Republican and Minneapolis, which overwhelmingly votes blue and drags the state very often in its direction. In other words, how do you get. Because you're going to have to get a bunch of them, some people in Minneapolis to be able to see that they need to come to the side of sanity.

[Michelle Tafoya]

Sanity is the word there. Look, yes, I'm going to have to earn every single vote. And I know every candidate says that, but in this case it's absolutely true because we're fighting an uphill battle, right? So we have got to get turnout. We have got to get every Republican to the polls. And then, yeah, I'm going to talk to everyone. I am going to talk to every because I want to represent everyone. I don't like the division in this state. And I think ultimately people have much more in common, and that's been proven to me. I've got friends on the other side of the aisle who are pulling for me because they see this nonsense, they see the insanity, they see the fraud, they see law enforcement having their hands tied and they're tired of it. And the fraud really is making everyone pretty sick because that was billions and billions of dollars supposed to go to kids, right? And it said it went to these criminals. And I would urge Minnesotans of every stripe to look at their pay stubs and ask themselves about their taxes. What did it pay for? Are we filling potholes or are we buying lakeside property for these thieves? So I think a lot of people are waking up to that and understanding that what they thought Tim Walls and Peggy Flanagan were is not who they are. And so there. I just, I believe that we have more in common across this state. Look, there are some votes I'm never going to get right? Just absolutely never. And you, you accept that going in. But that independent streak, I think, I think they're ready.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you have any. We're speaking to Michelle Tafoya. She's running for Senate in Minnesota. And, you know, we're always heartened by the fact, Michelle, that we've got a great station in Minneapolis and we're heard across much of the state, I think pretty much, you know, certainly the greater Minneapolis metro area. So there are sane people in your state. And it was a pretty close election the last time, right? You're not trying to, you know, you're not trying to flip Massachusetts red or something there, right? I mean, you've actually got a real shot here. It's a very close election in this last election, by the numbers, just for the presidency. But in terms of the fraud and cleaning things up, one of the concerns, as I can see it, is you got a Democrat governor, you got Democrat senators, you got a Democrat state attorney general, you got, you know, you got a Democrat mayor in fry in the city of Minneapolis. Is this something that the Trump administration needs to dive into on a, on the federal side just so we can get some answers about what's going on?

[Michelle Tafoya]

Well, you know, I think that a lot of that has been done. We've had, you know, us lawyers here looking into it, and that's where a lot of it's been found. Absolutely. Because clearly the folks running the state aren't going to do it. So we need to. And a lot of these tax dollars, as I mentioned, weren't just Minnesotans. They were US Tax dollars that were being funneled to Minnesota to help with autism centers, to help with feeding kids, all of these things. So I think that everyone should be ticked. I don't think Minnesota is alone. I think we're going to see a lot more in other states. And I think that's going to have to come from Fed. The feds looking into this and saying, where is it? What is it? Can we claw any of it back? And how do we stop it and how do we not let this happen again? You know, there need to be guardrails. There need to be serious guardrails. If the federal government is going to give your state money for a specific use, there need to be guardrails. And those clearly were not put up or they were clearly people just looked aside or they didn't ask the tough questions because it was politically incorrect to do so. So I don't think the Fed is going to care about or the federal government's going to care about political correctness.

[Clay Travis]

Michelle, you made millions of dollars working in sports. A lot of people know you from the sidelines.

[Buck Sexton]

Good for you, Michelle. I, like Clay says that with love.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not, I'm not tossing it out there as. I'm not tossing it out there as an insult. You had a good job in sports. Some people are already saying, oh, she was a sideline reporter. What the heck does she know about politics? You might be surprised. Michelle, a lot of people don't always say nice things about me. I came from the world of sports. I actually, I yell.

[Buck Sexton]

I yell at them, though, Michelle. I don't let them get away with it.

[Clay Travis]

Go ahead. But I do think it speaks well for you because you had my point on. This is what many people would consider to be a dream job. You traveled. You got to stand on the sideline, watch amazing athletes play the most popular sport in America, the NFL. And as your career evolved, you eventually couldn't stay silent anymore. What would you say to critics who say, oh, she's just a dumb sports person. Why in the world is she going to be a politician? Because that out there, I've already seen it when I shared your video. People often say mean things about me in the same way, right? So I'm familiar with it. But to me, it's actually a positive for you because you had a great job, but you couldn't stay quiet because of what you saw happening to the country. I imagine that's part of your answer. But how did you come from sports to here?

[Michelle Tafoya]

Look, 911 really changed me, guys. I know it changed lots of people in America, but look, I. My dad was kind of the son of legal immigrants, told me every day of my life how lucky I was to be born in this country. And I took that to heart. And so I always appreciated and was patriotic. I wasn't always conservative. I went to Cal Berkeley, but, you know, then I went to grad school, and I got a master's in business from Southern California. And that sort of started my awakening about, like, taxes and finance and how things are done. Yes, I had my dream job. I got to cover the Olympics. I got to cover the NFL, the NBA, all kinds of college sports. It was phenomenal. I traveled a ton. But that doesn't mean that we don't read. It doesn't mean that we don't pay attention. It doesn't mean that we don't study. And I've done a lot of that at the same time that I've been doing this job for the last, you know, since 2022. And that super bowl was my last game.

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[Michelle Tafoya]

I have just dove in. Dove in. I have dove. What is the right.

[Clay Travis]

I dived in, reminds dove in, by the way. But I'm not always the expert on grammar as everyone who listens.

[Michelle Tafoya]

And I did, and I did swimming at the Olympics, so I should really be better at that dove dive thing. But anyway, you get the idea. I have submersed myself.

[Clay Travis]

Submerged, immersed myself, immersed and submerged yourself. You combine those two words, which should.

[Michelle Tafoya]

Be a word I did that was kind of. I'm. I'm not going to go there.

[Clay Travis]

George Bush.

[Michelle Tafoya]

There we go. Because this is like my 100th interview today. But anyway, I have immersed myself in all of that stuff and in studying and reading and reading history. And look, you can be smart and wise about a lot of things and be a sports reporter. And one of the things my job taught me was how to ask questions, how to hold people to account for their answers. I dealt with owners, I dealt with GMs, I dealt with head coaches in good moods and in bad, I dealt with players. Look, I adopted my daughter from Bogota, Colombia. We went through that whole legal process. I've been a lot of places. I know how good America is and how good it can be. So you, you know, if people want to label me, that's. That's up to them. I'm not going to play that game. I'll just have to go out and earn people's confidence.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, Michelle, when you win your Senate race, you have to come back on and Go head to head with Clay with some football sports picks for us. Okay. Because I want to see Clayface is another pro in the commentary business. How he fares, I don't know.

[Michelle Tafoya]

When I just said I submersed, that doesn't make me a pro in the commentary business, does it? Or Dove dived.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, no, it definitely does. We make all kinds of. We have all kinds of kerfuffles here on this show.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I screw up everything when it comes to speech.

[Michelle Tafoya]

What's the reaction Kerfuffle Land?

[Clay Travis]

What's the reaction been from the sports media universe to your decision personally on your phone? I'm not asking you to tell you who said, like, yes, I'm proud of you or things like that, positive or negative, that you've decided to run in your own personal network of sports universe.

[Michelle Tafoya]

You know, I think it's been largely amazingly positive. And I won't name names, but some of them might surprise you. So it's been fun. It's the first day. So I'm sure I'm going to continue to hear from a lot of people, but I think we're. I feel the support. I love that because they know me. These are friends of mine. These are people I've debated with and they know me and they know what I bring to this. And what I won't do is lie. What I won't do is sacrifice my integrity. So I think, you know, look, that's the trust I have to build. But I feel good about where I am and I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think we could win.

[Clay Travis]

Amen. She's Michelle Tafoya. If people are interested in your campaign, Michelle, where should they go?

[Michelle Tafoya]

Michelle Tafoya.com Michelle Tafoya this is going to be a tough slog, guys. It's going to be an uphill battle and so we need all the help we can get. So if anyone wants to chip in or volunteer or whatever, we'd love to have you on board because it's going to take. It's going to take a lot of work.

[Clay Travis]

Amen. We're looking forward to hearing how the campaign goes. I'm sure we'll have you on quite a lot. And congrats on the official launch, guys.

[Michelle Tafoya]

It's great to see you. Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.

[Buck Sexton]

She has really good media presence. She should think about a media career.

[Clay Travis]

Actually does a good job talking. Thanks to Michelle. She's gonna, I think, look, of all the states out there, Minnesota, I think, has become the Craziest. And the only way I think you can punch back against crazy is Republicans have to show up and they have to persuade. But Republicans have to also show up in big numbers. And I want to see. It's an open Senate seat. There's no incumbent. It's a relatively fair fight. We'll see what happens. Look, we got some crazy winter weather heading to Nashville. Thankfully we have rapid radios. I didn't know we even had a generator. We were just talking about this. Cause it might get so wild that maybe we're going to get a couple of feet of snow. And in Nashville, if you get a couple of inches of snow, the whole city falls apart. Much of the south knows exactly what I'm talking about. And maybe you're going to want to have an ability to stay in touch with your family as this winter storm sweeps across the whole nation. Lots of places that do not usually get a great deal of snow and it's certainly not a great deal of ice. Man. I have my fingers crossed that there's not going to be a huge awful ice storm component to this. But unfortunately it looks like there is. You know what happens Back in 1993, Buck, we had an awful ice storm. All the trees started falling. We didn't have power for over a week. In my house. We slept in the, in the front beside the old Buck stove. If you want something that's going to be able for you to be able to use rapid radio's five day charge. Five days. You get them charged up right now, they will last for five days without needing to be charged. Do you have something in the event that we get hit with this awful winter storm and maybe your section of the country gets ice and the power comes down and you don't have the ability to get in touch with anybody. Rapid radios will still work. Go check them out. Right now we've got them. We're already charged up for potentially this winter storm coming in. Rapidradios.com 60% off right now. They'll ship them to you quickly. Over 15,000 five star reviews nationwide. The storm is coming. It's a great time to get rapid Radios in your life. Rapidradios.com we're ready. Are you rapid radios.com you know them as conservative radio hosts now just get to know them as guys on the Sunday Hang podcast with Clay and Buck. Find it in their podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're gonna. We've got a lot of talk backs coming in and we gotta disentangle some of this. But I'm just gonna say, when it comes to. To a lot of you out there, we love you all. A lot of you as prosecutors, you take the Linda with the drug runners getting blown up on the boats approach, light them up.

[Clay Travis]

Hanging juries out there. For those of. I think it was Linda. When we were talking about the drug boat charges, I couldn't stop thinking. I couldn't stop thinking about Linda. I think it was Linda, like just taking a drag on her cigarette. Just like waste them.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay was trying to. He's like, what if they're waving a tiny white flag and they're holding an orphaned puppy and they light him up? Light him up, fire.

[Clay Travis]

I couldn't come up with anything that Linda would be like, don't. Anything other than kill them.

[Buck Sexton]

And we're running into the same thing here with, you know, it's like, guys, Tim Walls, he's done. He's a hapless rube. He's the guy, you know, he's got no power, doesn't really know anything.

[Clay Travis]

What's the point?

[Buck Sexton]

You're like, send them away. Prosecute him, whatever you got to do. Throw the kitchen sink at him. I'm like, oh, okay. I don't know what Walls is. So there are other people that I could see that there would be this kind of a reaction to, but I don't think of Walls as somebody who we even care about really anymore.

[Clay Travis]

When we come back, we will. We'll break into some more of these stories. But first, I got to tell you, there's lots of chaos out there on the Internet streets because cyber threats are everywhere. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for identity threats. If and when they see evidence that your name and identity is being used without your permission, they'll notify you immediately. If you become a victim of identity theft, you can get your own restoration specialist at LifeLock who will fix identity theft, guaranteed or your money back. Not only that, your Protection is backed by LifeLock's million dollar protection package. Having Lifelock like having your own security detail. For online info, join now and save 40% off your first year with my name Clay. When you sign up 1-800-Lifelock or go online to lifelock.com promo code CLAY for 40% off. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show just posted from President Trump. I will read it directly for all of you from Davos. Based upon a very productive meeting that I have had with the Secretary General of NATO, Mark Root, we have formed the framework of a future deal with respect to Greenland and in fact the entire Arctic region. This solution, if consummated, will be a great one for the United States of America and all NATO nations. Based upon this understanding, I will not be imposing the tariffs that were scheduled to go into effect on February 1st. Additional discussions are being held concerning the Golden Dome as it pertains to Greenland. Further information will be made available as discussions Progress. Vice President J.D. vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and various others as needed will be responsible for the negotiations. They will report directly to me. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Yesterday Buck, the stock market sold off as people got nervous about potentially there being conflict here, maybe even boots on the ground attacks. Stock market is soaring and basically erasing all of yesterday's sell off as I speak to all of you and we are rapidly approaching yet another all time record high in the stock market now. So that is out there, Buck, what exactly that looks like. Of course the devil is in the details. If we, as we have been talking about quite a lot.

[Buck Sexton]

We got a whole lot of talkbacks of people that want to go full Linda with the legal system. Throw them away, lock, lock them up, throw away the key. They're not, they don't want to hear any nuance, any, any tactics. They're just like enough is enough. So let's, let's make do you want to make our way through some of the by the way I start. Well, the Trump Greenland thing. Yes, grain of salt. Let's see. I hope he's right. But you know, the beginning of a framework for a future deal. I know Trump well enough to know.

[Clay Travis]

That could mean a lot of things totally. And I would just say in general the people who panic every time, I mean we've been dealing with Trump now as a person of political influence for over a decade. The degree to which left wingers panic and immediately lose their minds anytime Trump does anything, you would think it would change. But Richard in Savannah, Georgia. Richard, fire away.

[Caller]

Yeah. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Enjoy your show. Been listening to you since they took over from Rush. You guys make me laugh out loud and sometimes make me just want to scream. Anyway, I agree with you what you just said about Greenland, about Trump. But why I'm really calling, though is about earlier. I've been listening to you guys about the DOJ bringing indictments and how it's just a farce and it won't work and it's just a joke. Well, you know, that being said, the American people voted for the dog and for Trump to bring these people to justice, bring them to court. The American people want troop justice in the American way, just like Superman. That's what we want. I don't care what happens. The Democrats lost. They are the minority. And all these nuts that are in Minnesota are the same way. We should have to worry about what.

[Clay Travis]

They what we're not. We're not in disagreement. Sorry to cut you off. We're not in disagreement with any of that. But the question becomes, Richard, are you married?

[Caller]

Yes, I am.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. Before you were married, were you interested in potentially dating a supermodel? My bet is yes. I'm not going to get you in trouble, not going to get you in trouble with your wife. But I bet most of the men out there listening to us right now before you were married, you might have been interested potentially maybe open to the.

[Buck Sexton]

Idea, I think is open to the idea of a supermodel if she should cross his path.

[Clay Travis]

Ok. And at some point in time, if you were going to take the next step and actually date a supermodel, you would need to have a plan in order to do so. What we are saying here. Thank you for the call, Richard, and good luck with the supermodel.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, I have no idea where you're going with this supermodel thing, so I'm curious to see how you stick.

[Clay Travis]

The land analogy is a good one. You can conceptually be in favor of something that would be fantastic for you and hopefully the country as well. But until you have a plan in order to put that in motion, there is not actually a tangible reality of it happening. What we have stepped beyond is yes, there should be consequences for people who break the law. But the question Buck asked, which is a good one, is the important one, what are the charges that can be brought? What is the tangible crime that has been committed?

[Buck Sexton]

And we open, we have some people that are running and saying, I disagree with you guys. I think Letitia James should be, we've said Letitia James should be like, you don't disagree? I'm saying there is a crime that she is alleged to have committed. She should not escape those, you know, those consequences because of political considerations. We no longer do that. We shouldn't do that. I'm saying she should be prosecuted. You're saying she should be prosecuted? I think that people who lie under oath should be prosecuted. If Comey lied under oath, he should be prosecuted. The only place where there seems to be some disagreement is I'm saying if for some reason people want Tim Walsh to be charged, I need to know for what.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And people who are saying if you don't have an answer, it doesn't matter. I say that's not a good idea. You have to have a. For what?

[Clay Travis]

Also important in a significant way. Tim Walls doesn't really have any assets. So I don't believe team, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Tim, Tim Walls even owns a home. So there are lots of politicians. We can name a lot of them. Elon Omar, don't take his tap dancing shoes. But yes, yes, but that get into office and then become super wealthy. Tim Walls doesn't even own a home. So charging him with a crime where he benefited financially is going to be hard to do because the dude has no assets. Which is why I laid out potentially the money. Campaign donations might be a way if you look into it.

[Buck Sexton]

I also think I have not seen anything, and you can call me old fashioned, but I have not seen anything to suggest that Tim Walsh has himself committed a crime. And I really mean this. Being a moron, which he clearly is guilty of, is not a criminal offense.

[Clay Travis]

So I don't know why politicians in jail if being a moron was a criminal offense.

[Buck Sexton]

And before I get because I, you know, we see some of the headlines on some of the calls and the talkbacks we get here before anyone else comes on. The Somali fraudsters of course should be prosecuted and should go to prison.

[Clay Travis]

Zero.

[Buck Sexton]

There's zero disagreement with anybody who's calling in about that. Of course they should because they committed a crime. But I just think people are in this like we just got to destroy the other side mindset. When I would say there are two problems with that. One, one, I'm not sure it works as well as some people think it will. That's to the point about ok, what's the crime? And two, is that really what we want now we're just going to have completely preposterous crime like this is. This is why People keep saying it's the Trump thing is not similar. Well, no, the Trump thing, the political blowback of. And maybe the 24, the 34 felony counts in New York isn't even the best example. The Mar A Lago raid they thought would destroy Trump politically, and it completely backfired in their faces.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

So what I'm saying is if you just do something that normal people can recognize is an abuse of the law for political reasons, it can backfire on you. And this is why bringing a charge against Tim Walsh that we don't even know what the charge. I don't know where's this idea that Tim Walsh is going to be charged.

[Clay Travis]

For what I keep saying 44 chance on the. On the market. I think the best case for Tim Walls being charged is the one that I laid out. And I think it's a hard case to get a conviction on, but I laid it out. Michael in Atlanta, you say you want Mayor Fry in Minneapolis charged with a crime. What is the crime specifically?

[Caller]

Hi, guys. Well, I want to agree with you and also disagree with you at the same time. And I'm going to agree with you that there has to be a crime. But where I'm going to go disagree with you is you were comparing earlier in your show. You're comparing Fry with Trump, and you can't compare the two because Trump really is the exception that disproves the rule. What I mean is, you guys go back in time. In the 80s, Trump was a rock star, bigger than most rock stars. His life was completely different. He gets into politics and he changes to a Republican. And what we saw is the Democrats basically wanted to sabotage him, really for who he was. Now Fry is nobody. He's a mayor of Minneapolis, almost like Mayor Pete being of, you know, South Bend. What I'm saying is he's not gonna. His profile is not gonna be elevated because he's indicted.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I think. I think I understand. I totally wrong on that. That'll be a major national story. But the bigger question is his profile is massively elevated. If he's charged with a crime, what crime have you seen that you think he should be charged with?

[Caller]

Well, I think, obviously that's a question for Pam Bondi, but that's where a lot of people are getting frustrated because she's all, okay, no way.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. But I. But thank you for the call.

[Buck Sexton]

There's something. There's something else here, Clay. We saw that, the comparison with. With Trump. And by the way, we wanted to let the gentleman. First of all, we Appreciate him calling in. And by the way, I like this. This is like what we, this is what is in my family, man, you should hear, you should hear how my mom speaks to me. If I'm being critical of Trump, I get, I get, I get the law laid down on me. She's like, how dare you? Look what he's done. I'm like, well, I just don't like this one thing. So even among family, you're going to have some disagreements. I would just say this, Clay, the point about the comparison to Trump that I was making isn't these are similar guys or similar situations. It's just proving the point that just bringing a charge in a political realm, forget about everything else, can backfire politically in a huge way. And that's why I think bringing a specious charge against Walsh or Frey, it's also immoral. I know. I guess ethics, no one cares about anymore. But bringing a speech, a clearly preposterous charge, just to do it is a bad idea.

[Clay Travis]

Here is one that I could give you for fry. Like, yes, I appreciate the call. What I am saying is we're taking the conversation below, above banal generalities, charge them with crimes. And I'm saying, okay, what is this specific charge? I think you could potentially, and I look, go back and listen to the show earlier.

[Buck Sexton]

You like to say that word that way. I think you're technically allowed to, but I prefer banal. But anyway, you like to go banal.

[Clay Travis]

Process based crimes. I think with the grand jury subpoenas, they're potentially setting the table for process based charges when there isn't a agreement to share documents that would be potentially obstruction related with the mayor of Minneapolis. In particular, I think Buck, he may have given instructions to Minneapolis police, as the mayor of the city, to not comply with the instructions of the ICE agents in Minneapolis, which could set up a scenario where, where he is obstructing ICE from being able to do their job and they could potentially charge him with crimes there. The whole sanctuary city element in general, which I think it doesn't get talked about enough, it's flagrantly unconstitutional. A city cannot, as a matter of supremacy law, refuse to comply with federal law. Well, picture charge that could apply across the board.

[Buck Sexton]

Just one thing here. You know, Lindsey Halligan, you're not hearing a lot about her these days and you're definitely not going to hear her referred to as a U.S. attorney, because now another judge has said you are not a lawfully appointed U.S. attorney and you cannot even use the title and end of story. They mess this thing up. It's very. The statute is very clear. You have to be appointed within a certain time or else it reverts to. I think federal judge in that district makes the. Makes the. This is black letter law. And the DOJ just said, no, we think we have the right to do this. The DOJ is wrong. And now they just lost. And by the way, you might not care about this, but she's the one who brought the charge against Comey. And because they lost in the. Because they lost with her on this.

[Clay Travis]

And Letitia, she got them both indicted. The reason those indictments don't stand for Lindsey Halligan. Exactly. Right. All the flaw of the indictment is it's that they said she didn't have the right to bring it. The indictment itself was fine. It's the person who brought it because.

[Buck Sexton]

She'S not a lawfully appointed U.S. attorney. And guess what? She's not. She's just not. I mean, I. I hate to say it. I think she. And I love what she did with the. Because I think those two should be prosecuted. But this is my point, Clay. You have to do things in a way that's, as Linda would say, smart. You got to be smart. You know, if you're going to waste them, you got to be smart. That's. That's my. That's my take on it. What are you looking. You look at like something.

[Clay Travis]

I've got my whole sheet. I want to go to break, but we've got a bunch of callers. I was just looking to see where the call.

[Buck Sexton]

Right, the callers. Well, the callers want a piece. They want to throw down. They're putting on the brass knuckles.

[Clay Travis]

Let's go.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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In to Clay and Buck. Just want to tell any of your call any of the callers that are on hold or any of you sending in talkbacks if you're going to be mad, why doesn't matter. The process is the punishment and stuff. So let's get to some of this. Here we have, oh boy. We have a bunch of people who are, who are joining us and who are in the mix and I'm saying that Mike in Las Vegas wants to talk to us about Walls in Minnesota. What's going on, Mike?

[Caller]

Hi guys. Great show. Waltz was told by whistleblowers told Waltz about the crime a long time ago and he ignored it. So he's concealing crimes.

[Clay Travis]

But there have been. Thank you. There have been a lot of charges brought in the Somali fraud case and being a moron is not necessarily a crime, unfortunately. So I don't, I don't find that to be a compelling argument.

[Buck Sexton]

Again, you think of all the members of Congress we would have to frog march out of their offices and cuffs if being a moron was criminal. It would be, it would be a lot. Long day.

[Clay Travis]

Steve in Akron, Ohio, your case, what should be brought?

[Caller]

Hey listen guys, we've had the, we've had the ability to let them have the audacity to march backwards and do everything wrong. Okay. Let's have the audacity to do the right thing.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so what's the charge?

[Caller]

The dynamics of humanity play out here. Okay. Assault or not assault, but theft, aiding and abetting, conspiracy to aid at that financial crimes.

[Clay Travis]

You dig a little bit against, against, against Tim Walls. But again, thank you for the call. You have to show.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think Tim Walls could spell aiding and abetting.

[Clay Travis]

Also again, Tim Walls doesn't even own a home. So you have to show in order for there to be charges, you have to show some sort of tangible act that he has done. Now, if you want to argue, as I did, that sanctuary cities themselves are direct defiance of federal law, I think that is a compelling case. Potentially. I argued that if you want to say, hey, he was benefiting campaign finance funds from Minneapolis fraud came into his coffers, I think those are potential cases that could be brought. But just saying, hey, like he's a cheater. And again, there has to be a tangible act. And I thought Lindsey Halligan did a really good job getting those indictments. Again, they found tangible criminal acts that they got a grand jury to indict for. That's the challenge right now that's facing the doj. Tangibly what did they do?

[Buck Sexton]

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