Weekly Review With Clay and Buck - Hour 1 - Interior Secretary Doug Burgum

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Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck - Hour 1 - Interior Secretary Doug Burgum
Date: February 14, 2026
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton focus on major national stories and U.S. energy policy, highlighted by an in-depth interview with Interior Secretary Doug Burgum. They also react to the trending Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case, discuss cultural controversies around the Super Bowl halftime show, and analyze the current state and future of the American economy—particularly in the context of Trump administration policies.

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Main Topics and Discussion Highlights

1. U.S. Economic Update and Energy Policy (03:38–04:40, 27:04–39:37)

• Strong GDP Growth:

  • Clay and Buck celebrate reported 4% GDP growth in the last quarter.

  • Discussion on how recent policies are fueling economic momentum.

    “The force that’s pushing up is the GDP growth is through the roof. Even with a revised down GDP now, we’re looking at 4% growth into the end of the year, 3% for the year as a whole, despite the fact that we had a really negative first quarter with Joe Biden.”
    (Doug Burgum, 03:46)

• Labor Market Trends:

  • Secretary Burgum notes that productivity gains may decrease labor demand and that illegal immigration's decline lowers the labor force, making job numbers a different metric than under Biden.

• U.S. Oil and Energy Policy:

  • Interview with Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum about U.S. energy independence, recent expansions in LNG exports, and sanctions on Russian gas.

  • Discussion of the "All of the Above" Trump energy policy, focused on energy affordability, reliability, and national security.

    “Drill baby drill. One of his main campaign promises he’s delivered on... creating the National Energy Dominance Council.”
    (Doug Burgum, 27:33)

    “We’ve displaced two thirds of Russian gas in Europe, taking a whack out of their pocketbook.”
    (Doug Burgum, 27:56)

• Critical Minerals Initiative:

  • Secretary Burgum explains Project Vault—a $12 billion initiative to create a U.S. strategic reserve of critical minerals, reducing China’s stranglehold on global supply chains.

    “We became, like most countries in the world, completely dependent on China... They control 85 to 100% of the refining.”
    (Doug Burgum, 30:38)

• State-by-State Policy Impact on Gas Prices:

  • Specific criticism of California’s climate and energy policies, noting stark differences in gas prices across states tied to policy choices.

    “California, regularly, five bucks. You can go to parts of California... where it’s over six or seven... these policies, which are driven by climate extremities.”
    (Doug Burgum, 34:43)

• 2026 and Beyond – Economic Outlook:

  • Burgum forecasts unprecedented GDP numbers with the Trump administration’s economic plan, especially in states with “common sense” policies.

    “You’re going to see numbers that we’ve not seen before. Many people in their lifetime haven't seen numbers north of 5%.”
    (Doug Burgum, 38:01)

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2. The Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping Story (06:15–16:32)

• Story overview: Ongoing kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie, mother of TV personality Savannah Guthrie, dominates national attention.

• Speculation and Analysis:

  • Clay and Buck analyze the professional approach of the kidnappers—cutting cameras, possible inside help, unusual ransom demands (including cryptocurrency), and the meticulous planning involved.

    “There’s something particularly horrific and hits home about a senior citizen member of your family just disappearing from their home… It does have that ‘this could happen to anyone’ feeling.”
    (Clay Travis, 05:35)

• Expertise on Investigations:

  • Buck discusses forensic and investigative techniques—cell phone tower pings, blood evidence at the scene, potential DNA, and the difficulty of pulling off a prolonged kidnapping in the digital age.

    “It’s very hard to kill someone that you have contact with… and then not to be able to figure that out. This is why, you know, any kind of murder for hire situation, you often get the person that did the hiring…”
    (Buck Sexton, 11:47)

• Audience Connection:

  • Both hosts emphasize the emotional intensity and the sense of vulnerability felt by the public.

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3. Super Bowl Halftime Show & Cultural Critiques (21:29–26:10)

• Listener Call:

  • Discussion over whether the 250th Super Bowl anniversary appropriately reflected American heritage during its halftime show.

    “It would seem to me that the theme should have been around that.”
    (Listener Robert in Indiana, 21:57)

• Goodell and NFL Criticism:

  • Clay and Buck criticize NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for not honoring America’s 250th—connecting it to broader themes of political correctness and corporate cowardice.

    “He’s not doing what’s in the best interest of the league. He’s doing what’s in the best interest of him, not getting noticed… If he raises his hand… somebody’s going to say, ‘well, that’s racist of you, Roger.’”
    (Buck Sexton, 23:15)

• Music Genre Debate:

  • Lighthearted debate about reggaeton vs. R&B vs. death metal—both hosts express their generational “unhipness” (“unk,” per Buck's kids), with a playful exchange about musical tastes.

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4. Sports and North Dakota State University (39:37–40:49)

• Shoutout to NDSU:

  • Secretary Burgum celebrates North Dakota State University Bison’s move to Mountain West Conference and their contribution to NFL talent.

    “There were two North Dakota State University recent graduates on that offensive line of Seattle… shout out to those Bison…”
    (Doug Burgum, 39:37)

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Notable Quotes

• On energy policy:

  “You can't separate national security or national economy from energy policy. President Trump has got it dialed in.”
  (Doug Burgum, 29:26)

• On the Guthrie kidnapping:

  "It is so strange, all the details that have taken place here and we'll see whether we're going to get some sort of resolution to come out of this."
  (Clay Travis, 16:26)

• On California energy policy:

  “This is the state... trying to ban [internal combustion engines] and they’re the number one thing. They’re just driving the cost up on their consumers… New York and California... leading the nation in outmigration.”
  (Doug Burgum, 34:43)

• On future economic prospects:

  “I'm expecting the numbers to be big... individual results may vary. Check your zip code. Move to a place where they’ve got common sense policies.”
  (Doug Burgum, 39:20)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:38–04:40: Economic Update, Labor Market, and GDP
• 06:15–16:32: Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping Deep Dive
• 21:29–26:10: Listener Calls, Super Bowl Commentary, Musical Taste Debate
• 27:04–39:37: Extended Interview with Secretary Doug Burgum (U.S. Oil Production, Critical Minerals, State Policies, GDP Outlook)
• 39:37–40:49: NDSU Sports Shoutout

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Tone

• Conversational & Candid: Clay and Buck maintain their lighthearted banter, even while handling serious topics like kidnapping and national security.
• Patriotic & Policy-Driven: Frequently emphasize American prosperity, energy independence, and critiques of "climate extremism."
• Humorous & Self-Deprecating: Light jabs at their generational knowledge of music and the NFL, and the use of "unk" to describe being unhip.

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This episode balances major policy discussions, current events analysis, and lighter cultural debates, offering a comprehensive—and occasionally irreverent—look at news and politics through the eyes of Clay Travis, Buck Sexton, and their high-profile guest.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in to the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. And we have this hour, joining us, the Secretary of the Interior, Doug Burgin. We have got a lot to talk to him about. Secretary of the Interior has very important job in this administration and it has to do with our natural resources, oil, gas, minerals, all that stuff. Some interesting policy implemented or in the process of being implemented by this Trump White House that we want to address with you because there is, as you can tell, a major, major focus from Trump and everybody in his top inner circle on getting the economy running on all cylinders here. And we had 4% growth or something. I mean, the numbers are looking great for the last quarter. I just. Clay, can you. What was the growth number I was seeing? It's very.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, here we go.

[Clay Travis]

Here's National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett. We had this on the. You know what? Let's hear from the. Let's hear from the National Economic Council director. This is Cut one. Play it.

[Doug Burgum]

I think that there are two forces that are sort of pushing down and then one force that's pushing up. The force is pushing up is the GDP growth is through the roof. Even with a revised down GDP now, we're looking at 4% growth into the end of the year, 3% for the year as a whole, despite the fact that we had a really negative first quarter with Joe Biden. And so that's the positive effect. The negative effects are when there's a productivity boom, then maybe you can make the same amount of stuff with fewer workers. And so that might reduce labor demand. And then the other thing is that there's a pretty big decline in the labor force because of illegals leaving the country. And so the break even job number is quite a bit lower than it was under Joe Biden when there were people, you know, you know, basically coming across the border willy nilly. And so I think that you should expect slightly smaller job numbers.

[Clay Travis]

Clay. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't a bad bunny concert he's given there. But this stuff really matters. This is meaningful to all of us. And the economic numbers are looking good. We'll get back into this and certainly talk to the secretary of the Inter, Doug Burgum. He's a billionaire, isn't he? I know something about money. Yeah, he knows about money. He's a guy's got a lot of money, but he really does know about what he's trying to implement with policy and how the administration is moving things forward. We'll get into that. But right now, the dominant news story still across most platforms, most mediums, is this Nancy Guthrie kidnapping story. Now, I understand it. First of all, it's. There's something particularly horrific and hits home about a senior citizen member of your family just disappearing from their home, being disappeared from their home in something like this. It does have that, Clay, that this could happen to anyone feeling, which always, you know, always hits harder, I think when people say, oh, this could have been my mom or my grandma. And so that is getting a lot of attention. Obviously, Savannah Guthrie is a prominent news personality, and so that's getting a lot of attention. Here is the late. We didn't play this yet. Right. I'm just making sure. The latest video here is Savannah Guthrie released a video speaking well to the American people, but also trying to reach, I suppose, the hostage taker or takers. This is cut to play it.

[Doug Burgum]

We received your message and we understand.

[Buck Sexton]

We beg you now to return our.

[Clay Travis]

Mother to us so that we can celebrate with her.

[Doug Burgum]

This is the only way we will have peace.

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[Clay Travis]

What's your sense of all of this? I mean, guys, just to be clear, usually we give you hard facts, news, and then we analyze. In this case, there's going to be some speculation because there's so few facts that it. It feels very amorphous as a story.

[Buck Sexton]

So it's been nine days.

[Doug Burgum]

And I'm.

[Buck Sexton]

Going to be honest with you. The fact that kidnappers in this day and age could hold someone with this many people searching for nine days and be communicating in theory in some way and not be tracked down. I'm stunned by all of this. I did a bunch of reading over the weekend to try to make sure that I was as informed about this as I could be. My speculation, Buck, is it has to in some way be an incredibly detailed, planned inside job. And you say, okay, Clay, what's your evidence for that? They turned the cameras off on her house somehow. So there was a camera outside that would have recorded everything. They somehow got it turned off in the time before they. They took her. Somehow. They were not captured anywhere in the neighborhood. Remember, like, take a step back, Buck, when. When the Idaho killings happened, they were able to go back and use cell phone data to figure out who exactly was in that area. They also were able to Use all these different cameras from the area because it was late at night. And we know the murders in Idaho happened around 2am If I remember correctly. And the reality is there's relatively few people on the streets around 2am I understand that they say that this, this location where she was kidnapped from is fairly fair, fairly rural in some way. Meaning it's not as if you're a one house is right on top of everybody else. But how many cars would have even been on the road at 2am in this area? I would think there's a gap. They kind of got it. Caught some stuff at a gas station that was nearby that had an outdoor viewing. I'm sure they're reviewing all these different cars, but there's just not going to be that many cars on the road in the 2am hour that would have been able to get in and out, I don't think, and kidnap her. There's not going to be that many cell phones pinging in that location. Now. They could turn him off, but it feels very strongly planned. And I come back to something that I said right off the top and I could be wrong about this. I don't think that most people would have any idea who Savannah Guthrie's mom is. So I understand that she's wealthy and she's somewhat famous. I think people who knew her would know who her daughter is. I don't think that Nancy Guthrie herself is so famous that people would have been able to target her because of her fame. I don't think most people who are famous, we know who their moms are. I'll give you just random. You know who Drake's mom is? I've got no idea. Right. Do you know who Bad Bunny's mom is? I've got no idea. Do you know who you know? Unless the mom is. Like I mentioned JD Vance's mom because she spoke at the national convention. Sometimes the mom is a part of the story of the son or daughter and that makes them famous. It doesn't appear that that was the case here. So to me, this is someone local that knew Nancy Guthrie very well, knew that Savannah had money and this was a super planned attempt to kidnap her. With the idea being that we're going to get millions of dollars and get away with it. I don't think that's very likely. I just I. And I understand they're asking for. I think it's $6 million in crypto to get her back. I'm sure Savannah Guthrie would pay any dollar figure and I would think that she would have $6 million to be able to get her mom back. The crypto, I understand, is relatively untraceable, and that's why they want that. And it vanishes. But it just. The fact that this could go on for nine days, Even the way that she speaks in those videos, she's a professional TV person. It's as if there is a request that she use certain words in those videos. The way that she's speaking doesn't even feel natural and organic to me. And I know that a lot of you have a ton of takes on this. This is the, you know, number one story that everybody is covering. The deadline is coming up tonight. The whole thing is very, very strange to me. And it feels like it must be on some level, an inside job, somebody who was close to her to even think to do this in the way that they did it. Does that make sense to you? You worked in the CIA. I'm just trying to piece together all the information that we have and try to make sense of it right now. And that seems like the most logical analysis to me.

[Clay Travis]

I think your analysis is sound. There's just so little to go on here. One thing that, you know, I spent some time back in the day, the nypd, with some longtime guys who had been homicide detectives. And this is not something that is thought only by them. It's not like new thinking. But in this day and age, if you. If you kill someone that, you know you're gonna get caught now, will you be convicted? That's another question. But they're gonna know that it's. It's very hard to kill someone that you have contact with that you have a, you know, any kind of a previous interaction with, and then not to be able to figure that out. This is why, you know, any kind of like a murder for hire situation, you know, you often get the person that did the hiring, actually, sometimes even before you'll find the, you know, you'll find out more about the actual killer. Because if you had no contact beforehand anyway, the kidnapping situation here, to me, if you had any prior contact, it starts to get into things like, will you leave DNA behind at the scene? Would it be expected for you? That's always a big thing that they go for the cell phones, obviously. And I'm not, like, giving anything away. I'm just a civilian who, you know, watches CSI like everybody else. But, you know, they. They go for your cell phones, they go to see who pings on towers, they go through surveillance footage, and then they look for evidence at the Scene and primarily Clay, that's going to be. Obviously, in this kind of a case, did the person leave behind DNA, hair, any kind of skin cells? Obviously fingerprints. But fingerprints are pretty easy to not leave behind if you know what you're doing. But DNA is a lot tougher. I mean, that's why, if you remember in the end of the movie the Departed, not to give away anything, but when. What's his name, Marky. Mark, Mark Wahlberg shows up, he.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, you've not never seen the Departed?

[Clay Travis]

This is.

[Buck Sexton]

Am I the only person in America who hasn't seen the Departed? I actually, I've never watched.

[Clay Travis]

You are in the. I would, I would wager the 10% of this audience who has not seen the departed, I bet 90% of our audience has seen the Departed. That's. That's. I mean, I think it won Best Picture, didn't it? Not that that really means it's been out.

[Buck Sexton]

I know it's been out a while. Yeah, A lot of those movies came out when my kids were young and I just wasn't that often, you know, like going to movie theaters for about six or seven years there. And that was in that window.

[Clay Travis]

Anyway, at the end of the Departed, Sorry, Clay, Mark Wahlberg shows up and he's dressed in a, like a head to toe, almost like he's in a hazmat suit kind of a thing. That's who doesn't leave DNA at the scene. Yeah, I mean, but that's what it would require generally to not. Because you're talking about skin cells, hair. I mean, you're just, you're shedding all the time. So you would think, Clay, that they would have some ability. But it gets complicated because if somebody already knew them, was already there, there's a lot of people that might have been coming and going in that house. How do you separate this out? My thing is just this kidnapper is the expectation is they'll be able to do this and then they'll get away. To me, that it just seems like a very bad. I know they're going with bitcoin, which is the idea is that that will be hard to. Or. Or basically impossible to. To trace and it's glow. You can access it globally, but I just feel like they're gonna. They're gonna get caught at point.

[Buck Sexton]

Some. Some point.

[Clay Travis]

But maybe, maybe I'm overly, overly optimistic on that.

[Buck Sexton]

The other thing I would add in is her blood was found on the front porch, suggesting that there was some form of struggle in the way that she was taken. If that is accurate. I mean, I guess it's possible that they took a vial of her blood and intentional like. Right. I mean you can work through how the blood could have gotten there without it being a violent struggle. But typically in a violent struggle there is some sort of injury in both directions. If she were bleeding, I know she's 84, but even an 84 year old fighting back nails everything else can create a crime scene. So it would seem to me to your point, Buck, unless they're showing up in hazmat suits that there would be some evidence that that would be left behind here. And if they did show up in hazmat suits, it circles back around to this was an extremely detailed and planned abduction. But it all just, it is so strange, all the details that have taken place here and we'll see whether we're going to get some sort of resolution to come out of this. But it is very, very strange.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, let's run through some of these calls. Robert in Indiana is back with us. Robert, what you got?

[Doug Burgum]

Yeah, I just wanted to.

[Clay Travis]

First, I want to say I really.

[Doug Burgum]

Enjoy listening to you guys.

[Clay Travis]

You're factual, you're truthful, you're patriots, and that means a lot to me. Thank you. And then I wanted to comment on the. The halftime show.

[Doug Burgum]

You know, being it's.

[Clay Travis]

The 250th year anniversary of our great nation, the greatest nation.

[Doug Burgum]

It would seem to me that the.

[Clay Travis]

Theme should have been around that.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you for the call and thanks for the feedback on the show. It's a good call. It is the 250th anniversary of the country, America, 250. This is the only opportunity for anyone out there to celebrate 250 in the Super bowl, because 251 next February. Yeah, that would have been a good move for Roger Goodell to potentially raise. And again, I think one of the challenges, Buck, is we think of people who make. And Roger Goodell does $40 million a year. He said. He's outrageous.

[Clay Travis]

By the way, there are a thousand people who can do that job. Why is he making 40 million a year? Just because he's the biggest piggy at the trough.

[Buck Sexton]

He makes $40 million a year. And in order to keep that 40, I mean, I could 100 do that job better than Roger Goodell could. And that's not me being cocky. That's just. I'm younger. I understand the dynamics of the job, I think better than he does. But He's a coward. He's 30, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

He did it for 30.

[Buck Sexton]

I do it for 30. But he's not doing what's in the best interest of the league. He's doing what's in the best interest of him, not getting noticed for being the commissioner of the league. And if he raises his hand and says, I don't know if we need bad money, somebody's going to say, well, that's racist of you, Roger. The only way he loses his job is if people decide that he's racist. And so he's not doing what's in the best interest of the. The entity. And so many people are doing the same thing. He's just doing whatever he can to keep his job. Maybe he needs a little bit more testosterone in his life. Maybe he needs a little bit more chalk. Maybe then he would have said, hey, you know What? It's America 250. Let's have a Super bowl that everybody can love. Maybe let's even have a Super bowl halftime performance in English so that everybody can understand what's actually being said. Doesn't seem like a crazy idea to me. And maybe if Roger Goodell would sign up for Chalk, he would have much higher testosterone, and maybe he would have the spine to stand up to the morons inside of his company and make the best decision for the NFL. And if he did, he could go to chalk.com choq.com My name Clay. For the best discount for life set in. A Texan has built a fabulous American company about making you the best version of yourself and making you have the highest level of all Natural testosterone possible. Chalk.com Foreign.

[Clay Travis]

I guess we're not gonna have any Bad Bunny music on the Rejoins here. So that's. That's. We got that going for us.

[Buck Sexton]

Here's the truth, Buck. I wouldn't even know if we did play a Bad Bunny song on the Rejoin. Like, I. I just. I. I don't even have any idea what the guy sings in addition to not being able to understand it. Like, I remember that the only part of that show that I knew was I remember that. That song Gasolina or whatever it back.

[Clay Travis]

In the day, not even his song from what I correct. Some other guy's song.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, but that was the only part of it where I was like, oh, I remember having heard this before.

[Clay Travis]

Again, I live in Miami, so I am exposed to certain genres of music on a regular basis. And I would. I think that. I think that reggaeton may be the worst music in existence. Like as a genre I think it might be the worst. What's up?

[Buck Sexton]

It's R and B as I have argued before.

[Clay Travis]

Oh no, no, no. That's, that's. That, that is, that is a. We're just gonna. That's a bless your heart take clay. That's a bless your heart at least.

[Buck Sexton]

Reggae time, Reggae tone or however you pronounce it like reggae time, Reggae Tom. Whatever it is, at least it has a beat that is positive and uplifting. Whereas R and B is just like I want to drown my soul because some relationship I had is bad and I'm going to sing about it for 48 consecutive min.

[Clay Travis]

I just, I can't believe you throw boys to men under the bus like this. I don't even know it's the end of the road. What to say, what. It makes everyone very sad as we get into this. I think reggaeton may be the worst music in existence. I don't know death metal, you know, is that really even a genre though? I think it's just really bad. Heavy metal, like a heavy metal can be awesome.

[Buck Sexton]

So that's the thing where I'm gonna sound like you.

[Clay Travis]

I.

[Buck Sexton]

If it's super loud, I just, I really don't enjoy it. I'm just like ah, it's so loud. Like why do, why do you want to scream at me? Like I don't need the whole death metal thing. Doug Burgum is going to join us now and I bet he's never had the previous lead in for his for any of his interviews be death metal analysis. Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum with us now.

[Clay Travis]

Secretary, appreciate you sir. Thank you for being here. Let's. Let's die. Let's thank. Thank you. Thank you. Let's talk. Yeah yeah yeah.

[Doug Burgum]

Enjoying listening into the commentary.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you. Well we, we try to do a good show. Tell us this the we got a lot of questions for you. First up, U.S. oil production. Drill baby drill. The Trump energy plan bring us up to speed. Ice is getting a lot of attention. The overall economy is getting a lot of attention. Where are we on unlocking America's energy potential and bringing us into a 21st century footing for all of the above.

[Doug Burgum]

Well, we're all of the above of it includes affordable, reliable and US secure energy. That's the common sense policy of President Trump and drill baby drill. One of his main campaign promises he's delivered on it through a whole of government approach creating the national Energy Dominance Council. We've got everybody in the cabinet basically working to execute to deliver on this. And you know, a year ago, think of it, a year ago there was a Biden ban on LNG export facilities. Now US Number one exporter in the world, we've displaced two thirds of Russian gas in, in Europe, taking a whack out of their, their pocketbook. We've, you know, we got real teeth behind sanctions around the world, which then means that China's going to have to start paying the full price as opposed to discounted price for oil. And then back at home, we've dropped the price of gasoline at the pump. And of course, we've done that dramatically in one year with the record number of drilling permits going out, working hard, make sure we get the price of electricity down, which was driven up by these crazy climate extremist policies in parts of our country. So that's one area where we've really been really, really delivered on. But we got to keep driving, we've got to keep driving forward to make sure, because we're in a, we're in an AI arms race with China and the country where the most electricity is going to win. And we can be ahead in chips, we can be ahead in software, but if China's crushing us in terms of how fast they're bringing electricity online, we've got to get back to America being able to build great things and build them quickly. And the energy dominance is also about critical minerals. We can talk about that too. But I mean, that's another area where we got to make up a bunch of lost ground. Not just drill baby drill, but we got a mine, baby mine in this country. And of course, why does this matter to your listeners? If you're the car you drive, the food you eat, the clothes on your back, the home you heat, everything, everything has got an energy component in it. When we bring the price of energy down, we're bringing down the price of everything. And when we do it American with American energy that improves, that's bringing prosperity at home and peace abroad is the core to the agenda. You can't separate national security or national economy from energy policy. President Trump has got it dialed in and totally got it figured out and got a great team across the board working on it.

[Clay Travis]

One thing, Secretary Bergam, I want to ask you before I hand over to Clay, I thought this was really interesting, that there's a fund that the U.S. so the Trump administration has established to invest in critical minerals. And you know, we talk about rare earth and we talk about these things. On the policy side, can you discuss a little bit about this I mean, what, what is the criteria to invest here? What would these investments hopefully do and can we expect? This is like this $5 billion fund alongside Orion Resource Partners. I thought this was a really interesting story that I read recently in Bloomberg.

[Doug Burgum]

Well, yes, yes, it is, Buck, and it's again, when you've got the dealmaker in chief and a business guy running the country, then you can come up with creative solutions. This is the parallel to what most Americans would know that we've got a US Strategic Petroleum Reserve where we had a bank of oil that was owned by the federal government to create a buffer in case of a time of crisis. We had nothing relative to US Strategic Critical Minerals reserve. And so we became, like most countries in the world, completely dependent on China. China, whether they're doing the mining at home or mining abroad, like in Africa or Indonesia, they were doing the refining of those minerals back in China. They control 85 to 100% of the refining and then they can control the export of those. So last year they threatened to stop the exports of, of the things that we need to build a car, build a cell phone, all of these things. We were within weeks of shutting down car manufacturing in the US because of China's stranglehold on these minerals, in part because we've spent decades deciding that we were going to get out of the mining business in this country and we've got to get back into mining in America. So, okay, get back into mining. I open a mine, I'm going to do refining. China comes in, dumps a bunch of people of that particular metal on the market, crushes the price and you're out of business. This has happened over and over in America and around the world, where China was just using their illegal trade tactics to try to crush new startups and new entries to maintain their grip on this. So this thing that you're describing in combination with a club of nations, where this last week hosted at the State department, we had J.D. marco, Chris Wright, Howard Lutnick, Scott Bessant, myself, everybody involved in this thing across the whole of government, over 50 nations here, wanting to join a club of nations where you could trade freely around critical minerals amongst each other with a price floor that would then allow the capital to start flowing back in this industry, protected from the illegal activities of the trade side. But on the project called Project Vault, which is the, the Critical minerals Strategic Reserve, that was again, President Trump, hey, can we do this without tax dollars? Yes. Can we go faster if we don't have to go through Congress? Yes. So ex im bank putting up $10 billion. You mentioned orion and others. There's other companies that are stepping in, providing equity against that. And so close to $12 billion that will then begin the foundation of over 60 critical minerals. We'll have 60 different stockpiles for all of these minerals that we need to keep our industry going. Whether it's defense tech, regular tech, or whether it's the refrigerator in your home or things that you need for new construction or your power drill in your shop that, your hand power drill, those have got magnets that have critical minerals. So these are everywhere. Your Cell phone's got 42 different critical minerals in it. So this is a great solution to ensure that America has economic security and can't be controlled by, by China controlling the export of these minerals.

[Buck Sexton]

Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergam on with us now. So many people, every time we talk about the price of oil and gas, I say, where I live in Tennessee, hey, the price of oil and gas is down, significant when I go to the gas station. And then inevitably we hear from so many people who have the misfortune of living in blue states, that price of oil and gas still very high where they are. I, I do think this is instructive. How much of, let's say, let's pick California. How much of California and what Californians have to pay for oil and gas in their state is a function of the policy choices being made in California. And how would those policy choices differ, say with Texas or Florida or Tennessee in terms of just what it costs to drive around in your car every day?

[Doug Burgum]

Well, great example, Clay, with California, but it's, it's easily, on any given day, it could be 50%. I mean, it could be double. I mean, if you're paying, you know, $2.49 in some other state with common sense policies, we have someplace in the country that under two bucks now for, for, for regular gas, California regularly, five bucks. You can go to parts of California, Southern California, where it's over, you know, six or seven. And then you say, how is that happening? Well, these policies, which are driven by climate extremities. Take California right now. California is actually a national security threat. Its policies to the whole country because they have, they import 2/3. 63% of California's oil is being imported from foreign countries as opposed to be provided from places you know in America by a pipeline. So by ship. The number one country that's importing into California right now is Iraq. They're importing that oil. They used to have 40 refineries now they've got eight. Two of the eight. Chevron and Valero have announced plans to close, so they're going down to six refineries. So now I'm shipping my oil in from Iraq around the world, paying for that transportation to get it here. And then when it gets here now, I can't find a refinery because they've shut. They're shutting down and choking refineries with their regulations. This is the state, Clay, that has the most number of internal combustion vehicles in the country. They have more internal combustion vehicles than any other state even has vehicles. And they were trying to ban these things and they're the number one thing. So when they say we're going to ban them, they're just driving the cost up on their consumers. Which is why the two things that states, the two states like New York and California, which are poster childs for climate extremist Pollard, they're leading the nation in outmigration. I mean, people can't afford to live there. And there's a whole wave of, of the next generation of industry is going to be driven by the price of electricity because you aren't going to build, you wouldn't build a flour mill 100 years ago in some place where wheat cost three times as much. What you need to manufacture intelligence is you need electricity. And if electricity cost three times as much, if your energy costs for transportation are double, no one's going to build manufacturing plants there where I got to, you know, loaded into a truck and pay double for my fuel than I do in some other state. So not only people are out migrating now, capital is not flowing into those states. And they used to be like, oh, we're New York, you know, we're California. It'll just come here. No, it is reversing out of those two states. So these policies are going to create a tale of like the tale of two cities. It's going to be a tale of two approaches. And, you know, red states with common sense energy policies are beginning to see the benefits right now in terms of the, of growth and low energy costs and capital investment.

[Buck Sexton]

I know it's early in 2026, but you have a great background in business in addition to running much of American energy policy right now. What do you think the GDP is going to look like in 2026 as the economic policies of the Trump administration come online? What should we expect?

[Doug Burgum]

Well, I think you're going to see numbers that we've not seen before. Many people in their lifetime haven't seen numbers north of 5. And that's possible. We could have been, we could have hit there this fall already if not for the schumer Shutdown in D.C. where you shut down the government for 40 plus days, that's an impact. But when you lower taxes and lower regulation and then speed up permitting, I mean, people don't talk about permitting. There's a trillion and a half dollars with a T that's been approved by boards of directors, by companies, by small businesses. That said, I want to invest this capital in America to a project that's going to help move things forward and they can't get their permits done. So we've got this like giant logjam of capital that could also flow into the economy in the terms of capital investment, you know, meaning new factories, new infrastructure, things that we need that benefit and raise the productivity of everybody. That. So anyway, I'm expecting the numbers to be big, but then when they come, it's just going to be like your gas prices. The GDP in some states, you know, could be seven, you know, six, seven, eight. And then you're going to have places like New York and California where it might be 2% because, because of their high, their high energy costs. High energy costs slow down economic growth. So, you know, when we say the GDP of the country, it's an average of the whole country. Again, individual results may vary. Check your zip code. Move to a place where they've got common sense policies.

[Buck Sexton]

No doubt. We appreciate all the work. Look forward to talking to you again down the line. And thanks for the time today.

[Doug Burgum]

Well, and I don't want to impose, but we got one thing on sports. I'm not a Seattle Seahawks fan nor a Patriots fan. I grew up in eastern North Dakota where we were had to suffer through the trauma of the Vikings losing, losing four Super Bowls in quick succession. But there were two North Dakota State University recent graduates on that offensive line of Seattle opening it up for Walker to be the mvp. And you know, shout out, shout out to those Bison for the great job up front.

[Buck Sexton]

No doubt. Didn't the Bison just announced that they're joining a new conference, if I'm not mistaken for going forward. I think they're going to be stepping up play a little bit, if I'm not mistaken. Have been very successful over the years with North Dakota State.

[Doug Burgum]

Well, yes, you know, with the 1111 championships in the last 15 years in FCS, they're moving up to FBS and they're joining the Mountain West. It was announced, announced today, I think officially rumored yesterday. But you know Here we go. So it's going to be be fun traveling to Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming, San Jose State and many more. I think they're going to. It's going to be a great, a great step up, great conference and some new rivalries to be established.

[Buck Sexton]

No doubt. It's gonna be fun to watch. Appreciate the time.

[Doug Burgum]

Okay. Thank you, Clay. Thank you, Buck.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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