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Clay Travis
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Ron Johnson
Welcome in July 4th edition of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show July 4th week edition. I am down on the Gulf of America for what should be one heck of a celebr experience surrounding the very first 4th of July on the Gulf of America. And all weekend long it just felt to me like everything continued to break in Donald Trump's direction. And we are living in a pretty phenomenal timeline right now. Updating you on the big stories over the weekend, the big beautiful bill nearing its passage in the United States Senate. We will talk with Senator Ron Johnson who was one of the last to flip and support this big news in terms of the 2026 elections. One of the two individuals who voted against this bill, effectively Senator Rand Paul, one of the others. But Thom Tillis who was going to face a very difficult race in the United States Senate in North Carolina, Republican Senator there is not going to run for reelection. So there will be a big primary probably. Although I would imagine whoever Trump endorses and there's some talk that Laura Trump, his daughter in law who was involved with the RNC might decide to step forward in that race which will be a big battleground and one of the top targets regardless. Even if Thom Tillis was going to run North Carolina battleground state, Democrats are going to feel like they have a chance to win that Senate seat and try to make a run at the 5347 margin that Republicans have right now. So that is big news. The mom Donnie fallout in New York City continues to build. Uh, but I would say overall even CNN I saw had a Michael Smerconish big discussion about how Trump is winning on levels that we have not seen before as we are speaking to all of you on Monday stock market to another all time high. Buck, these are winning times and I gotta be honest, it feels pretty good.
Clay Travis
Clay, there's one thing I think we left out of the of the winning parade there that I want to Throw for everybody. Well, there's a few things we could talk about, but one important one because I know you're, you're somebody who follows us very closely. And let's just say your trip to the Gulf of America more economical than it would have been a couple of years ago. Gas prices, my friend. Remember the first 30 days of the Trump administration? Why hasn't he brought prices down? Look at how expensive eggs are. Trump is lying. Remember all that?
Ron Johnson
Yeah.
Clay Travis
Well, here we have. And that's how they sound, by the way. That's, that's how all the guys reporting on it sound. It's actually a perfect representation of their voice. Here is on Good Morning America reporter Gio Benitez on gas prices. Play it.
Ron Johnson
There is some good news and that's good news because most people traveling right now are traveling by Road. Gas prices, 318 a gallon right now. That's the national average for regular unleaded. Last year that was 349A gallon.
Clay Travis
So significantly lower. So some good news if you're hitting the road, Clay. It's the lowest that it has been in quite some time, actually, the gas price, isn't it fascinating? Donald Trump comes into office and gas prices drop down quite a bit. Lowest, I'm sorry, the lowest since I wanted to make sure, 2021, lowest gas price in four years, everybody. I think that's just a marker here because, you know, if the gas price was the highest it had been in four years, Clay be the number one story going into Independence Day weekend, no doubt.
Ron Johnson
It's actually the four year low for summer because inevitably somebody's going to come out there and they're going to be like, well, actually they were low. Yes. Gas prices, everybody knows for, for, for.
Clay Travis
Independence Day weekend, the lower summer years.
Ron Johnson
And a lot of you will remember down 2022, summer was the absolute apex of Biden inflation and gas prices were out of control in the summer of 2022. I noticed this in a big way because I just drove, I just drove from Nashville down to the lovely Gulf of America here. And along the way, I take note of what the price of gas looks like. And you mentioned that clip, which includes the crazy prices that people have to pay for gas in states like California where they are taxing you like crazy on gas everywhere. I drove Tennessee, Alabama and Florida, all the gas prices unleaded are under $3 a gallon, sometimes as low as like 260, 250. Even with the summer hike. That always happens because so many of you are going to be on the road. So yes, you're 100% right. They tried to make egg prices a big story. Egg prices are lower than when Trump came into office now. And, and people are recognizing, and by the way, the reason that egg prices went up so much was because the Biden team decided to kill over the bird flu fears. So many different, so many different of the, of the animals out that are laying there.
Clay Travis
Killed a lot of chickens.
Ron Johnson
They killed a lot of chickens. And now, now the gas prices are down. What is, we talked about this a little bit, but maybe we can get the clip from Trump's press conference on Friday where he was directly asked about this. As one so called expert economist is now saying, actually the impact of the tariffs on overall inflation seems to not have emerged. They keep saying, oh, you're gonna see this in a month or you're gonna see this in two months. And we're sitting here when was Liberation Day, so called early April, if I remember. We have not seen any increase in prices by and large associated with the tariffs. And now people are starting to say, wait a minute, this is going to be a 400 or $500 billion net proceeds to the government. And the overall prices are not increasing. To your point, the average price that people are paying for groceries, the average price, eggs, specifically gas, all of it is down compared to in the Biden era.
Clay Travis
And we have to also remember that while there's no inflation from the tariffs, according to Secretary of the Treasury Besant, we also have very high rates right now. And the Fed chair Jerome Powell, they're starting to say out loud in the Trump administration time for a successor to Powell. If you get a start to get a substantial drop in rates, that'll add some rocket fuel to the economy, which will also help. But so we're already at all time high in the stock market. Your 401ks are, are absolutely cruising your pension plans because remember the pension plan that you have that also requires a return in the market based on the capital pool. So if you've got retirement anything, the market being really high is what you want to see. And so we're looking at the possibility of I think an even stronger economy going forward. You know, Canada said it was going to have a digital services tax on tech firms in the US Getting a little, a little frisky with us over the trade negotiations. Trump said, you know what, no more negotiations with you guys and you're going to get hit with some big time tariffs. Guess what, Clay, their tough talk from Canada on the digital tax lasted about 72 hours.
Ron Johnson
Yeah.
Clay Travis
And now here they are backing off of that one, saying, you know what, we should talk. We should talk on the tariff thing specifically, I just want to add, it's one thing when everyone who hates Trump opposes something because they'll oppose anything. Right. Trump can say, hey, guys, I want to put $100 billion toward curing, you know, all forms of terminal cancer. And there'll be lunatic Democrats who are like, they won't really spend the money on this. It's all going to go to Trump's family member. You know, they'll just, they'll find some way to hate whatever it is he says. On tariffs. There was a lot of, dare I say, the conservative orthodoxy on this was opposed to Trump. You know, the old school National Review. Oh, what about Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley, etc. They were opposed to him on this. And it turns out it looks like Trump was right, even in the face of a lot of people on his own team who are rooting for him, saying that this was going to cause problems.
Ron Johnson
Yeah. And here's a cut from the Friday news conference proving that there is starting to be a reassessment. And I would say in general that in the wake of COVID and I think you're probably the same as me, Buck, my willingness to blindly accept expert opinion is basically at zero.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Ron Johnson
Because they're wrong on so many things that they're supposed to be experts on. And here is that that question, as one of the top economists has now said, looking at the data, and hey, and I give him credit for being willing to acknowledge, hey, maybe I was wrong. There has not been any inflationary price pressure based on the tariffs. And here is that question from Friday's news conference with Trump. Cut 25, I believe. Let's play it. Mr. President, a leading global economist just did a 180 and says your tariff plan may have outsmarted everybody with it.
Clay Travis
What is your message? I love this. I love this question. This is the favorite. This is the best question I've ever been asked because I've been going through abuse for years on this because as you know, we're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars, no inflation.
Ron Johnson
And he continued there. But I mean, this is the reality. When you look at what the data has shown so far, it is that, and it makes some sense that price competition is so intense in the United States that many of these businesses don't have the capability to raise prices right now. And frankly, as many of you know, they used the Biden era inflation as an opportun to massively raise prices because everything was going up and they also shrunk the amount of product that you're often getting in the, in the prices in the process. Go look. And right now, because the economy is rolling and, and there is massive price pressure, in fact contraction in many different things that you buy, they have not been able to actually do what everybody told you they would do, which is raise prices on a substantial level to make the consumer cover the inflation costs. So far that is nonexistent.
Clay Travis
If you're Trump, would you listen to any of these so called experts ever again who are all shouting at you that their econ models show that he's wrong? You know, really like, you know, if I, if I'm Trump, I'm just going to say, you guys shut up. I'm doing what I'm doing for the next few years. You know, Trump's going to be 80 years old soon. He's been to the mountaintop. He knows what's going on here. He does not need the chirping in his ears from the economists. Economists in quotes. What does that even mean? It's like when people refer to consensus opinion on anything without actually telling you who the consensus is. So I think Trump is once, remember we talked about this on China and how everybody said he's going to start a trade war with China and then he was so successful actually with China that Biden didn't even mess with the China stuff that he did. Does everyone realize he was right? This looks like another one of those moments which is a big win for Trump. That's why he, he was, he was strutting his stuff in that sound bite you played because he know, no doubt.
Ron Johnson
And also, I mean, I think it speaks to the fear of challenging conventional wisdom in the so called expert class. Nobody wants to step outside and be noticed by doing something outside of the herd. It's human nature in many respects, but what you see is a herd of opinion. And it can't be the case that everyone uniformly agrees on a dynamic situation that is very difficult to predict. But being wrong, the fear of being wrong is actually more prevalent in most of these people than the risk of being right.
Clay Travis
You know, you're also getting, we're all getting a real vision here, real view of what does leadership look like when you're the leader of the free world, which is what the President is. What does leadership look like? It's deciding that you're going to hit the Iranian bunkers, even though people are shrieking about how it's going to cause World War Three. And being right, it didn't cause World War three. It set back the Iranian program, it backed up our Israeli allies. It means starting tariff negotiations despite the so called consensus of economists out there shouting about how it's going to cause inflation and price rises and everything else. This is real decision making with real consequence. Where Trump has been right, he has been correct and I just don't think he gets enough credit. Everyone realizes, Clay, you know, he's a, he's a political and cultural phenomenon and, but he is making calls against what the so called experts and certainly what the, what the general momentum on these issues has been and he's already showing huge results. So I think that going into this weekend we all have to remember that this is not easy stuff he's doing and we are all benefiting from it. And we need to keep encouraging this sort of leadership and supporting this kind of leadership, including with the big beautiful bill which we're going to get to here in just a second with Senator Ron Johnson. You know I was at the range this weekend, Clay. I'm now also a range safety officer certified. So really I can take you lar the boys down. I mean and I'm, I'm trained, I'm insured, I'm all those things coming up this fall. So it's going to be good times. But I was talking to the guys out there, so many different law enforcement officers who are there as well because they want to be able to either for training purposes themselves with their team or on their own. They want to be an RSO range safety officer. And one thing we talked about was non lethals. Do you know what the favorite by far pepper spray brand of the officers I talked to is? Because a lot of them carry the pepper spray sabre. So if these guys who have to rely on this day in and day out trust sabre more than anything else, you should trust Saber 2. It is the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. And I've got people telling me exactly that face to face. S A B R E is how you spell it. Their pepper gel projectile launcher shaped like a pistol or a rifle depending on the model, fires off a pepper gel projectile targeted goes a longer distance than you'd think. It's very effective stopping an intruder. Saber spelled Sabre. Their website is Saber Radio. S A B r e saber radio.com this is not about getting away from two way or guns. This is about additional options. Non lethal force escalation just like cops have. You can have this too. I've got a lot of guns. I've also got a lot of saber carry like Sabre. Lara like Sabre. Get yourself some today. S A b r e radio.com that's s a b r e radio.com or call 844-824 safe 844-824 safe.
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Clay Travis
I just want to look, you know, when, when there's a fight to be had, when it's put on the brass knuckles time, so to speak. In politics, we tell you when we're angry about something, but it's also important to take stock of your wins because that encourages what's going on. It inspires further action in those directions. And so that's why, you know, we're not looking at this with rose colored glasses. We're just taking a moment as we're going into this Independence Day weekend. Think of where we are now compared to a year ago. Clay Maybe that's the best way to do it. A year ago it was, oh, they're going to lock Trump. Well, actually Biden's debate had happened, so we were feeling like pretty good a year ago, but there were still criminal trials about Trump and maybe somehow they're going to be able to win. And we got Biden, the dementia patient, pretending to run the country. And look at where things are now. Also on the tariffs, the thing that the experts said that Trump was the most off base on is in terms of the economy this year. This is cut 20. CNBC, no great friend of Trump's. Play it.
Buck Sexton
Look how much we've been collecting in revenues. And I did this in part because.
Clay Travis
Wilfred's here and he can talk about.
Buck Sexton
The UK trade deal, but just this is the monthly numbers and they have gone up a lot. June is actually set for another big.
Clay Travis
Increase of 27 billion.
Buck Sexton
That is money coming into US coffers from tariffs. We are collecting a lot of revenue so far, guys. $121 billion has flowed into the US.
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Buck Sexton
It's still a tiny portion of the overall revenues that the US Government gets, but it's increasingly a lot, especially we.
Clay Travis
Haven'T seen it in terms of the.
Buck Sexton
Consumer paying off higher inflation.
Clay Travis
$120 billion is actually a lot of money. It's a lot of money coming in that wouldn't have otherwise.
Ron Johnson
Yeah, and look, I mean, we're talking about on pace to be around 400 billion billion in tariffs and it may grow beyond that depending on how, you know, the purchase process of American commerce goes. And that's a huge part of the overall budget to think about. That didn't exist before and may go a long way towards helping to balance the budget. Look, we'll talk about this with Ron Johnson here in a moment who has been involved in the intricacies of the big beautiful bill. As you all know, he's up next. We'll see what he thinks about all this. In the meantime, how would you like to save some money and do so with your health care cost? Because Obamacare has been a disaster. Better option for everybody out there. Ease for everyone. It offers affordable health care for as low as $262 a month. You keep your doctor, never pay a deductible, access over 400 prescription drugs for free. Go online to the website, see what the plan is right for you and your family. @easeforeveryone.com Clay Ease for everyone. Developed by forward thinking, knowledgeable people in Nashville. My hometown. You'll be speaking with people in my home state of Tennessee. Speak your language. When you call, they can answer your questions directly. Easeforeveryone.com Clay to join that's ease for everyone.com Clay we head up to Washington D.C. now where Senator Ron Johnson I imagine a lot of people are heading to the lakes up north in Wisconsin for this time of year when it is spectacular. But you are working Senator, and we had you in studio a couple of weeks ago breaking down the big beautiful bill and, and you changed your vote at the last minute or signed on with the bill at the last minute. What is the latest, what can you tell us about where we are compared to when we talked about talked with you on air last?
Caller
Okay, yeah, I should be trolling for walleye right now, but we're here working on the big beautiful bill. Ian as far as the primary components of this bill, I'm fully supportive of. Right. We're going to make sure that we don't have a massive automatic tax increase. That's about, that's about $4 trillion of the score by the way. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants to default on our debt. Unfortunately Democrats left these enormous messes the open border. So we have to provide funding for border the wars. We had to provide funding to the defense massive four year average deficit of 1.9 trillion. The seven years before the pandemic. Our deficit average 660 billion four years afterwards under Biden and Democrats 1.9 trillion. So again it is true the House provided us with the spending reduction about historic spending reduction about 1.4 trillion send actually has about 1.6. Our difference in our scores is we make sure the business expensing provisions are permanent versus short term. So that's the main difference between the House and the Senate. Now you know, we're hearing from the House, they're not real happy and we're short from their math somewhere around $600 billion. Rick Scott has an excellent amendment which was not included the base bill and that was really the sticking point on the motion. Proceed. We got the commitment of the leadership to not only offer amendment vote but whip it and try and make sure this thing gets passed. I'm hoping President Trump helps us get this thing passed because that depending on the date. So here's what the amendment does. It doesn't kick anybody off of Medicaid. What it does is it stops enrollment into the Obamacare addition to Medicaid which threatens traditional Medicaid for disabled children, for example. So at some point in time in the Future, we're debating that you just don't allow states to enroll them under the $9 to $1 match. I mean, I think you guys realize that, right? For a disabled child, for every dollar the state puts into Medicaid, the federal government matches it for $1.33. But for the Obamacare, single, working age, able bodied, childless adults, for every dollar the state puts in, federal government kicks in nine. That was a huge incentive for states to game the system. Provider taxes, provider fees, which aren't healthcare by the way, but they get reimbursed $9 for, for every Dow the states kicks in there. So again, it's a financing scam. We're trying to end that because it's causing the outflow of hundreds of billions of dollars out of the federal government. We don't have the money. So that alone could fill about $500 billion of that gap if we give states until the first part of 2029. And the scam, very reasonable proposal most Republicans support in the Senate, we've got some holdouts and that's where we need leadership to pressure people. You know, there are, there are other things in the bill, some extraneous tax credits that, you know, when we're $37 trillion in debt, do we really have to add tax credits for this, that and the other thing? So again, I think this is entirely doable. It's going to take the president to weigh in. It's going to take Republican leadership to make sure that we can satisfy the House requirements. And then when all said and done, this would be a huge achievement. Repealing at least the most damaging part of Obamacare, which was the addition to Medicaid, which puts at risk the Medicaid for disabled children. Do you think it's fair that for a disabled child the federal government kicks in a Dow is 33. But for a working age person that should be working, getting healthcare from their employer, we provide nine Dallas for everyone. It's just out of whack.
Clay Travis
Senator Johnson, people are reading about, I think many of them, if not for the first time. It's certainly a helpful reminder about the senate parliamentarian Elizabeth McDonough, who has been in this role since 2012. This is not an elected office. This is a, it's pretty fascinating actually. Right? The, the, this started sometime around what, the 1920s, 1930s. So it's about a hundred years ago. There's somebody who helps with administrative procedures, rules within the Senate, I guess like when you guys are allowed to have bathroom breaks or I don't know, whatever it is. And now there's somebody who is stripping out parts of the bill like the NFA National Firearms act and silencers no longer being an NFA item because the parliamentarian. What is going on here? And by the way, talk to me about that NFA silencers or suppressors issue.
Caller
Well, I believe that was included. So this is incredibly complex. I mean, this all has to do with the Budget act sets up this reconciliation process where we can reduce mandatory spending or cut taxes or increase taxes with a simple majority vote. Because of that process, Senator Robert Byrd had rules in terms of what would qualify for that, what wouldn't qualify. From my standpoint, the parliamentarian has been pretty even handed. When Democrats wanted to include things or more policy than budget, she didn't allow it. She's done the same thing here. We, by the way, we modified things that she was going to kick out. We listened to her instructions, we got it back in. So I realized that ends up being kind of a bone of contention. What we don't want to do is eliminate the filibuster. I know a lot of people want us to, but the filibuster has protected us from all kinds of massive Democrat spending programs because in the minority, Republicans fed the right to block some of that stuff. So I realized at the moment it's like get rid of that so we can get everything we want. That would be pretty short sighted thinking. But again, we've got a way to do this. You know, Rich Scott knows health care like nobody else. Okay, brilliant proposal. Doesn't kick anybody off. Medicaid just ends the Medicaid scam a few years in the future. Gives states, gives providers a chance to readjust how they're budgeting. Basically, states and providers are basing their budget off of this financing scam. That has to end. We simply can't afford it.
Ron Johnson
Where do we stand? Now, I know that Chuck Schumer made the entire bill be read aloud in the Senate chamber and that took a long time. There's talk that Trump wants to get this thing signed on July 4th. You're in the Senate right now. What is the timeframe look like for everybody out there? And where do we go from here?
Caller
Well, we're in the voterama, so it's unlimited amendments, so I can't predict how long it'll go. Again, we're in very close conversation with conservatives in the House. They're telling us this product right now is dead on arrival. I actually take them seriously. We kind of ignored their formula, their math. They looked at this differently. Than we did. We're, I think about $650 billion short now from my standpoint, I'm fine at satisfying their requirement. Again, use Rick Scott's amendment and enrollment for new Obamacare. Nine, nine dollars to one match. Those guys can go under standard Medicaid, get, get reimbursed, same things as disabled child. Okay, do that start of 2029, that saves us about $500 billion. Get rid of some of these extraneous measures, some of these new tax credits that just some, some Republican senator thought, oh, this is an important thing, you know, just get, we're $37 trillion in debt. This is not a time for additional tax credits for junking up our tax code further. So I would have no problem taking a look this, going, look at this and say, okay, no, we can reduce the deficit by 650 billion. Not a problem. Again, politically you've got constituencies, you've got people that apparently like to spend money, like to offer new tax credits, refuse to do what they promised to do. You know, repeal Obamacare, rip it out by the root and branch. This is just one root that is probably the most damaging aspect of Obamacare. And we've got Republicans now that aren't willing to do it. This is where we need presidential leadership. Say, honor your promise, get that additional deficit relief, get this passed in the Senate, get this passed in the House, and then we really will end up with one big beautiful bill.
Ron Johnson
Outstanding stuff. Senator Ron Johnson, we appreciate all the work you're doing and keep us updated. You can hop on anytime.
Caller
Have a great day.
Ron Johnson
You too.
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Ron Johnson
Fireworks.
Clay Travis
For those of you who are so inclined, watch them. Be careful around them. Don't listen to Clay on this one, okay? We all know Clay is probably a guy who played with M80s himself growing up. We're right.
Ron Johnson
I mean, I was not a huge firework guy, but rednecks are like everybody in the state of Tennessee, like, shoots fireworks.
Clay Travis
Like, I mean, I'm sure you've seen a lot more, a lot more than I have. That much I can tell you. New York City.
Ron Johnson
Yes.
Clay Travis
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I mean, I buck. It's rare that I watch videos. And I think. I can't believe this is a real argument. I am really disappointed in New York City voters over this. And we should dive into some of the things that are out there that he has said. We're not talking like we've talked about this before you can disagree on a lot of issues with a lot of people and still be of the opinion. Hey, this could be a reasonable take. We talked about this in the context of the way that the Supreme Court.
Clay Travis
Felt like is the bottom line. He's insane. I mean this is where this guy is is a total disaster waiting happened for the city of New York and he makes arguments that are inexcusable and, and, and very destructive if they actually come to fruition. So that much is for sure.
Caller
We're going to.
Clay Travis
But we're, we're going to get there think.
Ron Johnson
And the Katanji Brown Jackson to me kind of ties in with mom Donnie because the decisions when you saw come out on Friday it was as if the rest of the Supreme Court was just done with pretending that her arguments were being made in any kind of rational or good faith basis.
Clay Travis
She's an activist who lacks the understanding and the wisdom to be a Supreme Court justice. Funct. Even as a partisan Democrat. I mean she doesn't even cover it up well enough. She's an activist. She's. It's the MSNBC comments section sitting on the Supreme Court. It's a shame, but that's what it is. Doesn't even really pretend anymore. I want to get a couple of these calls. We're going to do Mom Donnie here in a second. I got to get all the best mom Donnie or the worst Mom Donnie, I should say. Jeff in Nebraska wants to weigh him. What's up Jeff?
Caller
Going once he straight up dodged that NFA question.
Clay Travis
Oh, you think Johnson dodged the question? Senator Johnson?
Caller
He absolutely dodged it. Now listen, this parliamentarian person is an unelected person. She was appointed by Harry Reid, one of the most vicious partisans to ever sit in the Senate. Oh, I know John Thune can tell her what to do and John Thune can fire, but he won't. And this is a guy who received the second least amount of votes as any sitting senator in to get his position. Second only to Lisa Murkowski, yet he can hold up the entire country on anything he wants.
Clay Travis
I. Look, I don't like this parliamentarian nonsense in this, in this situation at all. That's why I asked the senator about it. I also don't like that the NFA for silencer, for suppressors. Silence. People call them silencers too. Just to be clear. Don't, don't send me their suppressors. I own, I own some so I don't need to hear it. The, you know the, the suppressors issue in the National Firearms act. They should be taken out. There's no, they're not, you know, murder devices or whatever people think from the movies. It just means your ears are better protected when you go shooting. They're still loud. Ok. It's not like it's not pew, pew, as people know. So that's annoying that that might get stripped out by the parliamentarian. I got to check on that. A lot's still happening. And Clay, this is one of the problems when you call the. Or not call, when you try to find out what's going on when things are in flux, you can be told, oh, oh, I think that's fine. Or I think that's it's tough to get people focused in and riled up about something when you're not sure what that something is.
Ron Johnson
Not only that, the parliamentarian, what I thought his answer was interesting on. I remember the Biden team being furious at this parliamentarian because they were trying to use the reconciliation package and basically to try to sum it up in a sentence, because it is very complicated. The only way you can get through on this loophole with reconciliation, which allows you to avoid having to get primarily budget, right? Primarily budget. So there were a lot of things in that line of hey, is this primarily a budget based decision or is a political based decision? Is very complicated and frankly tenuous. Right. I mean, it's ultimately in the eyes of the beholder. And I know the Biden team, as Ron Johnson laid out, was furious over a lot of the rulings that she made as well.
Clay Travis
Let's take a talk back here. Brian from Worcester, Massachusetts. Aa hit it.
Caller
Hi, Buck, just had a question for you. Now that you're an instructor, a firearms instructor, I was just curious as to when you think how old a child could be before you could start training them on the proper use of firearms. Like how?
Ron Johnson
Good question.
Caller
How old would you allow a child to handle a loaded firearm for purposes of training? Thanks.
Clay Travis
That's a very good question.
Ron Johnson
I would.
Clay Travis
I started shooting.22, so I'll just speak from my own experience. I started shooting.22 caliber rifles when I was about 10 or 11 years old. I think for 22, that's good. I think the.22 caliber is a great teaching tool to have. I don't think that you should have somebody who is handling a firearm at an age when they can't fully cycle, meaning load, reload manually, cock back, everything. So I'll come back to this maybe if you want, later, but really 14, 15, I think you can start doing 9 millimeter, probably Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck - Hour 1 - Sen. Ron Johnson on Why He Flipped
Release Date: July 5, 2025
In the July 4th edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into significant political and economic developments shaping the United States. Central to this episode is a discussion with Senator Ron Johnson regarding his pivotal decision to support the "Big Beautiful Bill" amidst a backdrop of evolving political dynamics and economic indicators.
Senator Ron Johnson's Flip on the Big Beautiful Bill
Senator Ron Johnson provides an in-depth analysis of the "Big Beautiful Bill," highlighting its critical components and the reasoning behind his late support. Johnson emphasizes the necessity of avoiding automatic tax increases and addressing the burgeoning national deficit.
Impact on the 2026 Elections
Johnson discusses the bill's implications for the upcoming 2026 elections, particularly focusing on the Senate race in North Carolina. With Senator Thom Tillis opting not to seek reelection, the stage is set for a potentially contentious primary, with speculation around Laura Trump entering the race.
Decline in Gas Prices
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the notable decrease in gas prices, juxtaposing current figures with those from both the Biden and Trump administrations.
Clay highlights the broader economic significance, noting the absence of inflationary pressures from recent tariffs and the potential for further economic strengthening.
Reduction in Egg Prices
The conversation shifts to agricultural economics, specifically the drop in egg prices attributed to Biden's policies addressing bird flu, which led to significant poultry culls.
Effectiveness of Tariffs
Senator Johnson and the hosts discuss the unexpected economic resilience against inflation despite the imposition of tariffs. They reference a press conference where President Trump was questioned about the efficacy of his tariff strategies.
Clay reinforces the sentiment by questioning the credibility of so-called experts who predicted massive inflation due to tariffs.
Repealing Parts of Obamacare
Senator Johnson elaborates on the bill's aim to dismantle specific aspects of Obamacare, particularly the Medicaid expansion, which he describes as a financing scam detrimental to the federal budget.
Fiscal Responsibility and Deficit Reduction
Johnson underscores the bill's role in addressing the national deficit by eliminating costly provisions and implementing sustainable fiscal policies.
Role of the Parliamentarian
The hosts and Senator Johnson discuss the influential role of Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth McDonough in shaping the bill's provisions, including contentious issues like suppressor regulations under the National Firearms Act (NFA).
Filibuster and Legislative Strategy
They touch upon the strategic importance of maintaining the filibuster to prevent the passage of expansive Democratic spending programs, highlighting the delicate balance within Senate negotiations.
Firearm Training for Youth
A caller from Worcester, Massachusetts, inquires about the appropriate age for training children in firearm use. Senator Johnson shares his personal experience and outlines a sensible age range for different calibers.
Parliamentarian's Influence Critique
Another caller criticizes the parliamentarian's sway over the legislative process, questioning the legitimacy and accountability of such a powerful, unelected position.
Mom Donnie Fallout and Supreme Court Decisions
Clay and Ron comment on the fallout from Mom Donnie's actions in New York City and recent Supreme Court decisions, particularly focusing on Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's controversial rulings.
Leadership and Decision-Making
Clay praises President Trump's leadership style, contrasting it with traditional expert-driven approaches, and emphasizes the tangible economic benefits resulting from Trump's policies.
As the episode wraps up, Clay and buck Sexton reflect on the state of the nation ahead of Independence Day, celebrating recent political victories and economic improvements while acknowledging ongoing challenges. They encourage listeners to appreciate progress and remain engaged in supporting effective leadership.
Legislative Progress: Senator Ron Johnson's support for the Big Beautiful Bill marks a significant step toward fiscal responsibility and healthcare reform.
Economic Indicators: Decreasing gas and egg prices signal positive economic trends, challenging previous expert predictions.
Tariff Policies: President Trump's tariff strategies appear effective in mitigating inflationary pressures, contrary to earlier predictions.
Healthcare Reform: The proposed bill aims to dismantle problematic aspects of Obamacare, particularly Medicaid expansion, to reduce the federal deficit.
Senate Dynamics: The influence of the Senate Parliamentarian and the strategic use of the filibuster play critical roles in the bill's progression.
Leadership Analysis: The episode underscores the value of decisive leadership in navigating complex political and economic landscapes.
This summary aims to encapsulate the essential discussions and insights from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who have not listened.