Weekly Review With Clay and Buck - Hour 2 - Vote for Matt Van Epps!

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck - Hour 2 - Vote for Matt Van Epps!
Date: November 29, 2025
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Notable Guest: Matt Van Epps (Congressional Candidate), Kayleigh McEnany (Former White House Press Secretary)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the upcoming special congressional election in Tennessee's 7th District, as the hosts urge listeners to vote for Republican candidate Matt Van Epps. The episode dives into the importance of voter turnout, draws a sharp contrast between Van Epps and his Democratic opponent Afton Bain, and widely discusses affordability, national politics, and the state of the Republican Party. The conversation is energetic, blending political urgency with relatable anecdotes and moments of humor.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Tennessee’s 7th Congressional District Race (03:20–14:00)

• Urgency of the Election:

  • Hosts remind listeners of the odd timing (holiday season) and the necessity of high Republican turnout.
  • Confusion due to newly redrawn district lines is highlighted.

• Candidate Introduction – Matt Van Epps:

  • Van Epps describes himself as a husband, father, combat veteran, West Point graduate, former Commissioner of General Services, and ongoing member of the TN Army National Guard.
  • Strongly criticizes Afton Bain as a “crazy left wing radical” and claims she wants “higher taxes, defunding the police, [and] gender surgeries for minors without parental consent.”

    "If you don't want higher taxes, defunding the police, gender surgeries for minors without parental consent, you must vote to stop this person." – Matt Van Epps (04:45)

• Democratic Strategy and Republican Response:

  • Both Van Epps and the hosts argue that Democrats are hoping for low awareness and reduced turnout among Republicans.

    "The Democrats are hoping that we don't turn out and we've got to fight against this just crazy, radical left wing agenda." – Matt Van Epps (07:42)

• Van Epps's Key Issues:

  • Affordability (battling inflation, cheaper gas, supporting veterans)
  • Secure borders
  • Promotes nuclear energy and reduced utility costs
  • Increased healthcare competition; “getting government out of the way”
  • Maintaining low property taxes and cooperative work between federal, state, and local governments

    “We stand for battling inflation, secure borders, tax cuts, protecting our kids, cheaper gas, supporting veterans and law enforcement, ending wars around the globe. And the affordability piece here is, is top of the top of the agenda." – Matt Van Epps (09:11)

• District Geography and Voter Mobilization:

  • District covers Fort Campbell, Clarksville, Nashville (Franklin, Brentwood), and parts of 14 counties, stretching from Kentucky to Alabama (10:37–11:35).
  • Early voting through November 26; Election Day is December 2, 2025.

• Get Involved:

  • Campaign website: matt4tn.com

    "Would be honored to have folks [support] and their vote. And together we're going to get this done and we're going to win decisively on December 2nd." – Matt Van Epps (13:12)

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2. Callers and Listener Engagement (19:16–23:42)

• Debate Over Trump’s Approach with Mayor Mamdani:

  • Callers are split on whether Trump is too soft or playing smart politics with New York’s Mayor Mamdani.

    "I think Trump handled them well. You can't have an adversarial relationship with them...He's got to have an open channel of communication..." – Phil, Orange County Caller (20:12) "We can't have New York fall away for four years. It's bad for the city." – Phil (20:52)

  • Clay and Buck agree Trump needs to work with the city’s leadership, but criticize the leftist tilt in NYC government.

• Housing and Affordability:

  • Zoning and regulation issues highlighted as root causes of housing scarcity and high rent in NYC.

    “The only way for the cost of living in New York City to come down is to increase the amount of housing availability in New York City. The zoning regulations...ensuring that rates remain high.” – Clay Travis (22:00)

• Judicial Process Concerns:

  • Frustrations aired about liberal judges dismissing Republican-led cases, with Buck advocating to end the Senate blue slip process.

    “Democrats put in ideologues all the time...I think we should get rid of the blue slip process because somehow they're able to stack the deck a whole lot more…” – Buck Sexton (23:58)

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3. Featured Guest: Kayleigh McEnany (26:06–38:06)

• Legal Insight into Dismissed Indictments:

  • McEnany explains that dismissals against Letitia James and James Comey were procedural, not merit-based.

    "They didn't get to the heart of the matter. What they're saying is...the manner in which she was appointed was unconstitutional and therefore any case stemming from her appointment is...dismissed without prejudice." – Kayleigh McEnany (26:26)

• Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Resignation:

  • McEnany notes the risk to House GOP majority if more resignations follow and urges members to stay for the country’s sake.

    “All these congressmen need to look in the mirror and realize what’s best for the country, stay on board. The people put you there for a reason. Stay for the long haul.” – Kayleigh McEnany (28:04)

• Affordability and Republican Messaging:

  • McEnany stresses the need for the GOP to acknowledge affordability issues and tout “working solutions” such as 50-year mortgages and health care reforms.

    "We're not going to be the Biden administration that say, you know, 'oh, there's no problem.' ... I love that we have an administration with creative solutions." – Kayleigh McEnany (29:45)

• Women, Law Careers, and Family:

  • Kayleigh shares personal advice for young women:

    “If God put that desire on your heart to have a child, it is there for a reason. And if he put a desire on your heart to be a working mom, that's there for a reason, too... You find a way. And if God puts it on your heart that it's there, then he's going to see it through and he's going to help you in that endeavor.” – Kayleigh McEnany (31:53)

• Humorous Segment: Whispering Angel “Controversy”:

  • The team pokes fun at Clay Travis for being pictured with a glass of Whispering Angel (rosé) at an event, with Kayleigh sharing her family’s light-hearted ribbing and plans for a tongue-in-cheek “press rollout.”

    “Clay Travis drinks Whispering Angel? ... It’s pink. It's a woman's drink. He's drinking that? What is wrong with this man?” – Kayleigh McEnany (quoting her family) (33:56) “That's just a—he had a bad night.” – Kayleigh’s father (35:50)

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4. Additional Calls and Last Segments (43:08–46:25)

• Changes in Memphis After Federal Action:

  • Caller from Memphis credits federal intervention for improved safety:

    “Since the feds came in... It’s a different city, everything's calmer... Absolutely, this was the right thing to do.” – Mike, Memphis Caller (43:25)

• Speculation on Democratic Statesmanship:

  • Caller predicts Momdani is positioning himself as a future leader, highlighting a rare example of Democratic statesmanship.

    "I think he's a model for statesmanship for the rest of this...the crazy Democrats." – Mike, Memphis Caller (44:30)

• Trump’s Political Calculus:

  • Caller opines Trump is “killing them with kindness” towards socialist programs in NYC, not wanting to be blamed for their failure.

    “He’s killing them with kindness, all the while giving them the rope to hang themselves.” – Kathy, Caller (45:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We've got to have our side get out there and vote. The Democrats are hoping that we don't turn out...”
  — Matt Van Epps (07:42)

• “We just need everyone to get out and vote... She's endorsed by the socialists because she’s one of them.”
  — Matt Van Epps (06:09)

• “All these congressmen need to look in the mirror and realize what’s best for the country, stay on board.”
  — Kayleigh McEnany (28:04)

• “You find a way. And if God puts it on your heart that it's there, then he's going to see it through...”
  — Kayleigh McEnany (31:53)

• “That's just a—he had a bad night.” (On Clay drinking rosé)
  — Kayleigh McEnany's father (35:50)

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Segment Timestamps for Reference

| Timestamp | Topic / Segment | |---------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:20–14:00 | Matt Van Epps Interview, Tenn. Dist. 7 Election Focus | | 19:16–23:42 | Callers: Trump strategy with NYC, housing, judicial process | | 26:06–38:06 | Kayleigh McEnany: Legal analysis, GOP, affordability, humor | | 43:08–46:25 | Callers: Memphis safety, Dem statesmanship, Trump calculus |

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Tone and Style

The show walks a line between serious political discussion and friendly, accessible banter. Clay and Buck are direct, passionate, and at times irreverent, keeping the audience both informed and entertained. Guests like Matt Van Epps and Kayleigh McEnany maintain a focused but warm tone, blending advocacy and personal anecdotes.

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Summary Takeaway

Listeners are implored to recognize the importance of the Tennessee 7th District special election and the broader dangers perceived from Democratic policies locally and nationally. The episode is loaded with calls for action, policy contrasts, grassroots organizing advice, and moments of levity that connect with the show's core conservative base.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Hey, I'm Clay Travis.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm Buck Sexton. You know what we're thankful for this year, all of you?

[Clay Travis]

That's right. We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.

[Buck Sexton]

Sending a big warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck show.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome in. Back in Clay Travis. Buck Sexton Show Monday Edition Thanksgiving week. We talked about this in the opening hour. There is a race eight days from now, Tennessee 7th congressional district. It's going to surprise a lot of people because Thanksgiving is this week. A lot of people out in the road. You can go vote early. This is my congressional district. This is going to be my congressperson. And there is a crazy left winger, Afton Bain, who is running on the other side and on the side of truth, justice and the American way. I want all of you to go vote for him. He is Matt Van Epps. He is early voting is underway. Tennessee 7th congressional district. If you don't know if it's your district, go online. You can look. You can also just show up and, and just be, be honest, say, hey, sometimes this is confusing. Matt Van Epps, with us now, you know this too, because they redrew the lines. Nashville is actually now split three different ways by in my neighborhood in Franklin, you can be one congressman, different district. A lot of people still don't know. Tell us why this race is so important. Hopefully soon to be Congressman Matt Van Epps and what Democrats are trying to do by stealing this seat.

[Matt Van Epps]

Hey, Clay, great to be on with you. Matt Van Epps here. And so first and foremost, as you mentioned, my opponent, Afton Bain is a crazy left wing radical. If you don't want higher taxes, defunding the police, gender surgeries for minors without parental consent, you must vote to stop this person. And that's the only way to do it, is to vote to stop her. So we're asking everybody to get out and vote. I'm a husband, father, combat veteran. I'm a West Point grad, served nine combat tours. I've led small business operations, served in state government as commissioner of general services, where I like to say we were doing Doge before Doge and I'm still serving in the Tennessee Army National Guard today and excited to fight for Nashville, for Davidson county and all of our 14 counties.

[Buck Sexton]

So what is it looking like in terms of awareness even for this race coming up here? Because I got to tell you, this is a particularly difficult to sandwich in this election between Thanksgiving and Christmas and New Year's. What, what can you do to help? This is Buck, by the way, the other guy. What can you do to help get the word out? And how are you seeing that actually in play out given that? I think there's been a total lack of focus, which is why the Democrats are so very honed in on trying to sneak this one.

[Matt Van Epps]

That's right. And Buck, thanks for the question. Great to be with you. We just, we've got to get out. We're telling everybody right now, early voting goes through the 26th through Wednesday before Thanksgiving and then the election's on December 2nd. So we just need everyone to get out and vote. You know, my opponent is, she is a crazy radical left winger. She supported Mamdani and would be lockstep in that socialist agenda. Matter of fact, she's endorsed by the socialists because she's one of them. She fought against the largest tax cut in state history and proposed new taxes. She'll make it more expensive for working families and farmers. And I think when people both know that about her and that they can early vote right now through the 26th and election day December 2nd, that will turn out the vote and it will win this decisively on December 2nd.

[Clay Travis]

For people out there. How much do you think the Democrat plan is just relying on a lot of traditional Republican voters not being aware this election is happening? Because I said in the first hour, their base of crazy left wing, frankly, Afton, Bain, you know, like mirror image voters, is gonna show up for everything. They're really plugged in here. That's basically the Democrats strategy, right? Is that people are just gonna be busy and not be aware this is actually going on.

[Matt Van Epps]

That's right. We, you know, we had, we had a great win in the primary. We have great momentum. Endorsed by the president, backed by the speaker. We have over 40 local endorsements from sheriffs and county mayors, highway superintendents, farmers, business leaders. And so that that momentum we're carrying forward, what we can't have happen is people take it for granted. We've got to have our side get out there and vote. The Democrats are hoping that we don't turn out and we've got to fight against this just crazy radical left wing agenda. It's not right for Tennessee. It's not right for America. And we, we do that when people show up with the jersey on, get on the field and vote.

[Buck Sexton]

Affordability is going to be a huge thing, Matt, in the midterms. And you're going to be, your race is certainly going to be.

[Clay Travis]

If the.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, heaven forbid. But if the Democrats pulled this off, they'll say that it is indicative of the GOP's lack of focus on the affordability issue right now. I wanted you to speak to that because there, there are a lot of people that are still feeling the pinch of high prices at the pump, at the grocery store. You know, the whole, whole discussion here in Florida about property tax, a lot of things that are making people feel like they can't get ahead. What do you think could be done in the congressional side to help with that? And just as a general philosophical issue, how do you want to approach affordability if you, if in fact you're successful in this election?

[Matt Van Epps]

Absolutely. And that is top of mind for so many of our voters. And I agree. We stand for battling inflation, secure borders, tax cuts, protecting our kids, cheaper gas, supporting veterans and law enforcement, ending wars around the globe. And the affordability piece here is, is top of the top of the agenda. And I think I'm pro nuclear. I think we need to unleash America's nuclear power and energy. Tennessee is leading with the first small modular reactor at the Clinch river site in East Tennessee that should be online in 2032. And so we've got to promote oil and gas and nuclear so that we drive down the cost of the pump, we drive down utilities. Health care is really important. I think a good example is in Clarksville, Tennessee, when government gets out of the way and the private sector is put into play. We have two new hospitals going in in Clarksville that's going to increase access, increase competition, drive down costs, and ultimately increase outcomes. And you're absolutely right. On housing. We've got to keep property taxes low. I think from a, from a federal standpoint, that's no unfunded mandates. We've got to work with states and local governments to ensure that we have workforce, housing and close proximity to the workplace. And we've got it. We've got to work, continue to work to keep taxes low and to cut red tape.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to who I hope is going to be my next congressman, Matt Van Epps. Can you tell everybody out there listening, Right. Because we have a ton of affiliates. One of the confusing things is your district runs from basically all the way at Kentucky, all the way down to Alabama. Can you run through some communities so people who are out there listening can say, oh, wait a minute, that's me, because these district lines are still new. A lot of people out there listening right now may not be aware that this race is even going on. So I'll start with you. Fort Campbell area, Clarksville area, a huge part of you guys. You are voting for your congressman now. And on December 2nd, Nashville, Franklin, Brentwood, different parts of the Nashville area. Nashville is split up into three different congressional districts and then on down south. Where else? What communities should know they are in this district that you need them to turn out?

[Matt Van Epps]

Absolutely. So on the north side, Stuart, Montgomery and Robertson is really important. Our western boundary, Benton, Decatur, we've got Hickman, Houston Humphreys, Perry and Wayne, Cheatham County. And then on the, on our, on our eastern boundary there, as you mentioned, we've got Davidson County, Williamson county, it's part of Davidson, it's part of Williamson. It's border to border. And we, we need everyone to get out and, and vote. It's just, it's so incredibly important. It's really, it's all 14 counties. We need everyone from every county on our side to get out and vote. Don't take it for granted. And when we do that, we're going to stop this radical ideology from trying to come into Tennessee and we're going to advance affordability. We're going to support working families, farmers, military and veterans, and we're going to keep moving America in the right direction, in the America first direction.

[Clay Travis]

And you said early voting ends on Wednesday, right before Thanksgiving, is that right? And then the actual Election day is Tuesday, December 2nd, just for people out there.

[Matt Van Epps]

That's right. Yeah, absolutely right. Early voting through Wednesday the 26th. And, and then December 2nd is election day.

[Clay Travis]

And for people out there who may not even live in the district, but I hope everybody in the district is going to go vote. But they want to help and they just want to ensure that Democrats don't steal this race. How can they find you online?

[Matt Van Epps]

Yeah, so it's matt4tn.com that's matt f o r t n.com and would be honored to have folks support and their vote. And together we're going to get this done and we're going to win decisively on December 2nd.

[Clay Travis]

Amen. Thank you. That's Matt Van Epps. Everybody in my district, everybody listening in the Nashville area, in the Franklin area, Clarksville, all the way down to the border, you heard all the different counties that are involved. We Gotta get out. We gotta show up and make sure that the Democrats don't steal a seat. Congressman, I hope Matt Van Epps may have you on election day next week just to reinforce again that the election is happening. That is eight days from now. But you can vote early today, tomorrow and Wednesday in advance of Thanksgiving. Thank you.

[Matt Van Epps]

Thanks, gentlemen. Really appreciate it.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. All right, so we've got a bunch of calls coming in here. Another one of these. We got a few all taking this perspective. This is talkback from Richard listens in Colorado and he wants to talk about the Mamdani Commie Summit. Play it.

[Matt Van Epps]

Well, Donald Trump better get his act together because he's pissing off a lot of people and I don't think he's playing his cards right. And I hear there's already talk of impeachment, period. He should have laid into that mayor of New York and told him where to go and he didn't. That's too bad, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

We have a fair amount of that. We can get into this. We got caller Phil in Orange County, California. He actually thinks that Trump handled mom Donnie well. Or let's hear from him.

[Matt Van Epps]

Hey, Phil. Guys, hear me?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, we all can hear you, my man. What's going on?

[Matt Van Epps]

Oh, that's great. Listen, you know, what do you expect them to do? First of all, I think Trump handled them well. You can't have an adversarial relationship with them. God forbid. We need to do something in New York. He's got to have an open channel of communication and it's better that he gets along with them. Not only that, whether we like it or not, communism is legal in the United States and you could be a communist and he did get elected. So what do you want Trump to do? Alienate everyone in New York? He's going to have to work with them sooner or later. And I don't want to use this word because I he's going to have to manipulate him some water or vice versa in order to make sure the city doesn't go fall into dire situations. I mean, we, look, we can't have New York fall away for four years. It's bad for the city. And it takes a long time to overcome that, as we've seen from the past. So let's see if Trump can work his magic and maybe Mandani will come to his head and figure out that, hey, he's got to work with people, including the president, in order for the good of the of New York City. What else can we say? Right? I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

I appreciate the call. I think Buck and I'm curious how you would take this perspective as soon as Trump agreed to meet with him in the White House. And I bet this was your read and you nailed it before they got there. It was a sign that Trump was going to be pretty much respectful of Mamdani in the public forum there. I think Trump respects the fact that Mamdani did what he did, which is come in despite the fact that everybody spent so much money trying to rip him to shreds. He won the election. And you and I think that New York City made an awful choice. We think it was a disaster that there were far better options. And it's a sign that New York City has painted itself into a corner that a far better option is considered to be Andrew Cuomo in any respect. But the fact that we ended up in this situation and Mom, Donnie won, Trump's gonna have to work with the mayor of New York City on some level. And what I took away from it was there may be more agreement on the need for more housing than has gotten a lot of discussion publicly. You and I have talked about this a lot, and I think it's basically the essence of supply and demand. The only way for the cost of living in New York City to come down is to increase the amount of housing availability in New York City. The zoning regulations, the restrictions on building that is actually ensuring that rates remain high. And the fact that you're going to try to put in place these restrictions on rent actually means more units are going to come offline, because a lot of guys and gals who own property are going to sit around say, I can't make money renting out at this rate based on what it cost me. And so they pull them off the market completely. So my take on this is we got to just have more housing, more availability of housing.

[Buck Sexton]

Keith in Martin, Tennessee, wants to weigh in on the Comey and Letitia James cases being dismissed. What's up, Keith?

[Matt Van Epps]

Not much, guys. Thanks for taking my call. I was just curious. It seems to me that every time we try to indict one of these liberal people we're trying to get a hold of, they always wind up getting in front of a liberal judge.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Matt Van Epps]

And it always gets dismissed. Why can't we get them in front of a conservative judge?

[Clay Travis]

Well, one of the big challenges is when you bring cases in blue areas, you tend to have blue judges. And this is what I've been hammering home for a long time. We're playing it basically a road game. Every single time there's a case in New York, in Washington, D.C. this is.

[Buck Sexton]

Where the blue slip process, which this, the leader Thune of the Republicans in the Senate has agreed to the blue slip process, is asinine and should Go away because Democrats put in ideologues all the time and Republican and when they're in power it's so much easier to get some left wing jurist in. I think we should get rid of the blue slip process because somehow they're able to stack the deck a whole lot more than we ever are. Even we're in charge. It's a bad thing, my friends. I don't, I don't like it. Look, you never know when you might need to protect yourself. And having Saver Saber products on hand could be a game changer. Saber is a 50 year old company making world class non lethal self protection tools. I know because I've got a whole bunch of them here at home. Blaze got a bunch in his home. Their pepper spray projectiles are ranked the number one pepper spray projectiles by law enforcement officials. Sabre is spelled S A B R E and the website is saberradio.com Their products are non lethal but powerful enough to pack a punch. Sabers pepper gel projectile launcher is shaped like a pistol or rifle depending on the model and fires off a pepper gel projectile that's targeted and goes the distance and will stop the threat. Go online to saberradio.com these are great gifts to get for yourself or family members for the holiday season. Go to saberradio.com you'll save 15 there s a B R E radio.com or call 84824 safe. We're, we're back. Clay. Clay is getting spicy in the breaks. He's got to put his earpiece in. We have Kayleigh McEnany with us now and Kelly McEnany is the host of Saturday in America with Kelly McEnany. She's a former White House press secretary and she has a family with fantastic taste in radio because her dad listens to the show every day. So we're all going to be on our best behavior. Clay's halo is still intact. Still intact.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not be attacked. I don't know what just went out over national radio there. My analysis of the Olivia Nuzzi situation. We'll maybe get to that with Kaylee too.

[Buck Sexton]

Kelly, let's start with this because you also are a Harvard law graduate. So let's discuss the judicial resistance here. The judge dismissed both of the indictments against Letitia James and against James Comey. What do you make of it?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, so they did not reach the subject matter in that. You know, let's hit James. They were not commentary commentating on the seriousness of the mortgage allegations against her and James Comey on the alleged perjury. So they didn't get to the heart of the matter. The facts of the case, however, what they're saying is Lindsey Halligan, when she was appointed to that position of interim attorney, it's complex, but there's a 120 day period. The President can put someone there and then a court decides. They say the manner in which she was appointed was unconstitutional and therefore any case stemming from her appointment is therefore not dismissed, but dismissed without prejudice. Which means that Trump can refile the case. And I say Trump. But what I mean is the Trump administration, the DOJ will see if they do that, they can reprose cute it. They can file an appeal. They have all sorts of ways to go about this. So kiss James. Not in the clear, Comey. Not in the clear just yet, though they are celebrating. I see some statements out there.

[Clay Travis]

You nailed it there analyzing it. Kaylee. Most people are not going to get to the essence. They're just going to see the headline of it being dismissed and they're going to think it means that on the merits there was not a claim that was actionable brought against them. And so I think that's important to kind of work through all this. So let's go to a little bit of a different direction with you. And we're going to get to the Whispering angel controversy. Don't worry. I appreciate your dad. What did you make of Marjorie Taylor Greene's announcement? How surprised were you by it? Where does she go from here? What is the significance of the video and her resignation?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Well, it was unsurprising in that when President Trump withdrew his endorsement, look, she was going to face a primary challenge and she might not have been successful in that endeavor. We know President Trump has quite some sway with the Republican base. She knew she was up against that. There is a trajectory and a history of individuals who have fallen out with the president getting that primary challenge. It makes it a lot harder to pass laws through Congress because there is such a narrow majority. I was reading reporting and I think punchbowl that there are some other frustrated members of Congress and the Republican delegation side that might consider stepping aside as well. And what a travesty that would be. Then we could be looking at potentially, you lose enough seats, it's just a handful. You could turn the majority of the House of Representatives over to the Democrats just by virtue of retirement or people stepping aside. So let's pray it doesn't come to that because at the end of the day, all of these congressmen need to look in the mirror and realize what's best for the country, staying on board. The people put you there for a reason. Stay for the long haul because it's about the agenda you support and not your personal self interest.

[Buck Sexton]

Kelly we have a focus, and I know the administration is looking at this now more as well, on the price of things. There's real concern out there for people who are just seeing the price of hamburger meat, the price of, of gasoline, their rent, electricity, especially electricity along the east eastern corridor, the east coast, because of a lot of the AI data center stuff that's going up now. So do you think the, do you think that the Republican messaging on this is where it needs to be? Do you see there a growing focus on this and how would you assess it?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I think they're getting there and I think it's really important, imperative that, that they do get to the right spot. And I've seen Beth and others out there saying, look, we are not denying that there is an issue with affordability. We're not going to be the Biden administration that say, you know, oh, there's no problem, move on, you know, nothing to see here. We're going to acknowledge it, but also at the same time acknowledge we have the working solution. Here's a fact. President Trump handed President Biden 1.8% inflation. Biden took that to 9.1%. Trump has since brought it down to in the 3 percentage range. Prices are a little bit lagging there, but I love that we have an administration with creative solutions. I talked to Scott Turner, the head of Housing and Urban Development. He's like, look, we're looking at these 50 year mortgages, we're looking at portable mortgages. And I said we could debate the efficacy of each of those things. But you have an administration that's constantly putting out new ideas, be it on housing or health care, sending money directly to the people. We could debate each and every one of these, but they're trying, they have solutions that are working. We see that with gas prices coming down and I think we're going to be in a different place about a year from now. No tax on tips is in, no tax on overtime will kick in. And I think Democrats may be surprised at what happens in the midterms. It could boomerang back at them because people do remember the Biden years and make no mistake, Trump's going to remind them of them.

[Clay Travis]

Kaylee, there's a good article in the Wall Street Journal I was reading this morning and I was curious when I, when we were going to have you on what your thoughts are on it. It's about women and the idea of seasons of life. And you and I both went to law school, and obviously, if you go to law school and you start practicing law, that takes a decent amount of time. You've got young kids now. There are a lot of women that I went to law school with that went hard into practicing law, and they had difficulty balancing out when to have kids. I know Buck talked about this last week because it's becoming even more and more of a big topic. What would you tell young women out there when it comes to prioritizing career and balancing it with kids and age and everything that you have learned, given the fact that you went to law school, too?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Absolutely. What I say is you can have it all. Is it a harder path? Absolutely. To be a working mom? No doubt about it. But you find a way. And if God put that desire on your heart to have a child, it is there for a reason. And if he put a desire on your heart to be a working mom, that's there for a reason, too. And one thing I would note a great example is Erica Kirk. And I saw an interview last night. She did, and she noted that her and Charlie Kirk wanted to have four children. And unfortunately, Charlie Kirk was taken way too soon. She has two children, young children now. And she said that she was praying to God that she was pregnant with her third child at the time of his passing. And unfortunately, she wasn't. And then she went on to say, this is why, you know, young women out there, nothing is more important than family. Nothing is more important than that desire you have on your heart to be a mother. And if it's there, you just got to go for it. And I did. You know, I got national press secretary for the Trump campaign. And I was like, is now the right time to have a child? And, you know, Shawn and I tried and got pregnant, like in the snap of a finger. And baby Blake came and I washed her little onesies and bathtubs at hotel rooms with my mom on the campaign trail in New Hampshire and South Carolina, everywhere we went in the primary. But it was the best thing that I ever did. And you find a way. And if God puts it on your heart that it's there, then he's going to see it through and he's going to help you in that endeavor. It's nothing more important in life.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, Kaylee, you're generally not one to court controversy, but you find yourself in the midst of some controversy as your Dad. A beloved and appreciated listener, daily listener of this program has weighed in on a range of facts, a range of things, including the Fireside Chat video you posted in which he has spoken about the Clay Whispering angel fiasco. I think at this point we just have to lean into it, Kaylee and Clay and I have to ask for a whispering angel endorsement or something because there's no escaping from the fact that when Clay had a whole bar to choose from at the Fox Patriot Awards, he went for Rose.

[Clay Travis]

Kaylee, he went for it.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You noted that Clay had a halo on at the beginning of this. And indeed he has a halo, a whispering angel halo. I have a whole press rollout plan for Clay on this. And you know, I'm a former press secretary, so I'm good at press rollouts. And Jesse's team came to me and asked for the picture of Clay drinking Whispering Angel. I told Jesse watersteam, no, no, no, no, no. I've got a rollout plan for this. It's gonna come out just at the right time. My dad was so disappointed, drinking bourbon by the campfire. I'm actually with my, with my brother in law right now, Michael Gilmartin. And he said, I cannot believe Clay Travis drinks Whispering Angel. And his girlfriend Donya said, yeah, it's pink. It's a woman's drink. He's drinking that. What is wrong with this man? But my dad has been your greatest defender, Clay. My dad's walking around the house going, clay wrote a book called Balls. That man is a real man. He's not a whispering angel man. So you've got a great defender in Mike McKinney.

[Clay Travis]

I think we have the audio. For people who haven't heard it, here is Kaylee's fantastic. Dad, I'm sorry that I disappointed him. I felt as I was watching him, like the coach found out that I broke curfew or something. That's like your dad sounds like he's got. He's a coach and he's just, he's not sad, he's not mad. He's just disappointed in the lack of discipline.

[Matt Van Epps]

Listen, I've been reading Clay Travis's book Balls. It. I'm telling you guys, it is. First of all, it's a kind of an autobiography. But he's a great writer. He takes his facts all the way back. And how sports and how sports became woke and how the kids young men really helped turn this thing around. And so did Alkick, Clay and a few others that fought against, you know, ESPN and all these, these, these Woke of the NBA and all that. It's amazing.

[Clay Travis]

The book is amazing.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I gotta ask you, what about him?

[Commercial Voice]

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[Kayleigh McEnany]

Clay Travis drinks, whispering.

[Clay Travis]

Shocking.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Shocking.

[Matt Van Epps]

That's. That's a, that's just a. He had a bad night.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, he had a bad night. Like, you missed too many free throws. I love it.

[Clay Travis]

I felt, I felt like he found out I missed curfew and, and I wasn't gonna be able to play in the first quarter.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Oh, man, it was hilarious. My dad was a football coach.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's perfect.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

This man is your defender. So he's going to like hang out there to dry in the public. But behind the scenes he's like, you got to get both. Clay Travis is the best of the best. He's defending you. But I've got the picture, so this isn't going away. You got a former White House press secretary who's after you with a press plan. So watch out. Jim Acosta. Watch out, Clay Travis.

[Clay Travis]

I. He had a bad night. Is such a great immediate defense line that I, I'm glad your dad had my back. That's a good response. You as a press secretary have to say, you know what, he kind of took a little bit of the heat away with that immediate sentence. By the way. Last question for you. And I'm, I'm not pleased about the media campaign attacking my drinking character that is coming. Were you surprised by the Mom Donnie Trump interaction in the White House, or did you totally anticipate that based on your experience working with Trump in the White House?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

So I did not think it would be hostile. I did not think it would be like the Zelensky meeting. I was surprised at just how cordial it was. But then I sat back and I thought about it and I have watched this man, Donald Trump, play four dimensional chess constantly. He's not someone who can be, you know, flattered. You may think he's been flattered and you know, he's praising someone because of that flattery. He always has a plan to sit back, hang tight. I was surprised at how complimentary it was, but you just wait. You just wait. I noticed. I'll just say this, Mom Donnie was pressed on whether Trump said, I won't send federal troops to your city. Federal law enforcement, I should say. And he would not say that President Trump said that. So I think there might have been some harsher words behind the scenes. And you just wait. See Trump's next step move.

[Clay Travis]

Outstanding stuff. Kayleigh McEnany Buck. That does. You've got all the details.

[Buck Sexton]

I Was just gonna say dad is a great, great listener of the program. And we very much appreciate it, Kaylee, and thank you for being here with us. Come back and hang out again soon, okay? We enjoy our Kaylee visits.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I love it. And Clay, you go get a nice mid afternoon cocktail. Rose is a great one.

[Matt Van Epps]

So go enjoy Frozen.

[Buck Sexton]

Froze.

[Clay Travis]

I might go froze. I'm gonna be down at the beach this weekend for Thanksgiving. I might just start walking around with pink drinks. Frozen all the time. Kaylee McEnany has a great show and evidently has incriminating photos of me consuming very feminine alcohol. So I've got to be nice to her. Although it sounds like the campaign's rolling out no matter what. Gotta tell you, holiday season, how many of you are gonna be on the road? I bet a lot of you are gonna be driving places. And when you're driving places, you might even be in multiple different cars. Maybe your family's big enough, they can't all fit in one car. How about having some rapid radios? Maybe you want to send the kids out of the house and you want them to be running around playing hide and seek, playing football on Thanksgiving, as many people do. But they're young. They may not have their own cell phones with them. Rapid radio is a great opportunity for you to be able to stay in touch with your kids, but you don't have to worry about getting on the Internet. You don't have to worry about the responsibility of a cell phone. And right now, Cyber Monday, incredible sell coming for rapid radios. You don't know when the next storm's going to be. You don't know when your kids are going to need it. Maybe when your. Your elderly relatives might need this because they don't do a fantastic job with their cell phones. We've got rapid radios in the Travis household. They hold a charge for five days. You can get hooked up right now at rapidradios.com to make sure your family's never out of Reach. That's Rapidradios.com get hooked up today, Rapidradios.com.

[Buck Sexton]

Two guys walk up to a mic.

[Matt Van Epps]

Anything goes.

[Clay Travis]

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free I Hard radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Shh.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We got a bunch of you who want to weigh in on a variety of different topics. Let's go. Let's start with Mike in Memphis. Mike, are you seeing a difference safety wise in Memphis since the president's actions there?

[Matt Van Epps]

I'm so glad you asked. Here's what happened. We've lived in Memphis since 2007. On October 7th, my wife and I left for a month long driving trip. And that's right when the feds came in, when the task force came in, when we came back in early November, telling you guys, it's a different city, everything's calmer. And I've checked it, I've asked friends, I said, am I just feeling, Is this what you're feeling? And everybody's like, absolutely. Everything feels much safer, much calmer, especially on the roads. So absolutely, this was the right thing to do.

[Clay Travis]

And you have a take on Trump and Mom Donnie as well. Thank you for that feedback on Memphis.

[Matt Van Epps]

Absolutely. Hey, on Friday in the Oval Office, what I think we saw was the nation being introduced to the presidential candidate for 2028. I think I don't.

[Clay Travis]

All right, let me cut you off. I think he's going to be a big part of the Democrat Party going forward. He can't run because he was born in Uganda.

[Matt Van Epps]

Oh, I forgot that.

[Clay Travis]

Wow.

[Matt Van Epps]

Well, anyway, what he did on Friday, I think was show the rest of the Democratic Party of how to be statesmanlike. And, you know, I think he and John Fetterman are but the only two Democrats who are really doing that. But he, he comported himself really well. And so, yeah, I think he's a model for statesmanship for the rest of this, you know, the crazy Democrats.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you, Kathy. Litchfield, Maine, I believe. Kathy, what you got for us?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I think Trump knows Mandani's socialist programs are gonna fail in New York, but he doesn't want anyone to blame him. So he's killing them with kindness, all the while giving them the rope to hang themselves.

[Buck Sexton]

I actually, I want to jump in because I agree with the sentiment here from our caller, Clay. Because, look, I mean, Kathy, I think that if, if he came out, as I said, guns blazing at Mamdani, any failure that Mamdani has, the easiest thing he can do is to say, it's Trump's fault. It's the federal government. They stood in my way. So I think this, he'll still probably do that, but this makes it a little bit less effective.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Look, we'll take some more of your calls when we come back. Well, Catherine and Augusta, you can be fast. You got great taste on books.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Oh, I do. And I just picked it up. Clay wanted to tell you I've got.

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[Kayleigh McEnany]

Just put up. Very excited. And the bookstore had.

[Matt Van Epps]

Did not have it in stock because.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

They said they thought it was a sports book.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for sometimes bookstores have not had it. You guys have bought thousands and thousands and thousands of copies. It's been awesome to see. When we come back, we'll dive into mtg. We'll dive into the latest in Venezuela and the legal process. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the.

[Buck Sexton]

Front lines of truth.

[Matt Van Epps]

Shh.

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