The Importance of Human Dignity

Summary

The Collage Podcast – Episode Summary
Episode Title: The Importance of Human Dignity
Host(s): Feed My Sheep (Main hosts: "A" [Jeff], "B" [Nancy])
Date: June 1, 2026
Location: Temple, TX

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Episode Overview

This powerful episode of The Collage Podcast centers on the theme of human dignity, particularly as it relates to homelessness and the systems meant to provide care. Jeff and Nancy recount the recent harrowing experience of an 18-year-old homeless woman, "Christina," who survived a near-fatal fentanyl overdose, only to be discharged from the hospital in the middle of the night and left alone at a picnic table on the street. Their conversation explores systemic failures, the emotional and spiritual cost of isolation, and the critical need for compassion and decency in responding to those at society’s margins.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: The Missed Interview and Unexpected Crisis

• [01:14 – 03:19]
  • The hosts introduce their intention to host an interview with Christina, a young woman who has been living unhoused since 13.
  • Instead, they recount the events that unfolded the previous night.

2. The Overdose and Hospital Discharge

• [04:01 – 07:33]
  • Christina smoked what she thought was marijuana; it was laced with fentanyl. She suffered a life-threatening overdose.
  • She was revived multiple times—first by a facility cook, then by EMS at the hospital.
  • Discharged from the hospital at 1 a.m., she was dropped at a picnic table outside her usual women’s shelter.
  • The shelter staff did not permit her entry, despite knowing her ordeal. She spent the night alone, fading in and out of consciousness.

3. Systemic Failures and Lack of Human Decency

• [12:56 – 20:14]
  • The hosts sharply critique both the hospital’s and shelter’s discharge practices:
    • If this happened to their own child, or to someone with a stable address, the outcome would have been entirely different.
    • Quote:
      "If Nancy, who's sitting right across from me, or me, if the same scenario happens to me... you think you're released last night at midnight? No, not a chance." (A, [13:39])
    • Quote:
      "When is it ever okay to just treat someone like they don't matter... to have someone who's partially incoherent put outside. 18 years old, beautiful young girl in the middle of the night. How is that?" (B, [14:25])
  • They point out society’s greater outcry over mistreated pets than homeless humans.
    • Quote:
      "Let's pretend that was a dog and somebody just dropped the dog off on that facility.... There would be an uproar." (A, [15:18])

4. Lived Experience and the Weight of Loneliness

• [26:04 – 30:10]
  • Christina’s background: Abandonment, parental incarceration/substance abuse, childhood abuse, repeated stays in psychiatric centers, and the lasting scars of trauma.
  • Her profound loneliness – “I just have this terrible curse over my life.”
  • The hosts emphasize the emotional toll of recurring abandonment and lack of a support system.

5. What People Need Most: Belonging and Care

• [23:58 – 30:39]
  • Contrast between “fixing” problems and meeting immediate emotional needs.
  • Nancy’s approach:
    • Quote:
      "I just wanted her to know that I was glad that she didn't die." (B, [24:06])
    • Providing a genuine expression of care and presence, rather than jumping straight to problem-solving.
    • Quote:
      "She just needed to know that she was cared about... She would be sorely missed." (B, [30:13])

6. Call to Righteous Indignation, Decency, and Action

• [17:26 – 21:14; 31:50 – End]

  • The hosts call for a “righteous indignation”—a healthy, moral anger at systemic neglect and dehumanization.
    • Quote:
      "There are things that should anger us in a really deep way... it's biblical." (A, [18:56])
    • Challenge the idea that “this is just the way it is.”
    • Quote:
      "If you have parents you care about, if you have a loved one you care about... there is no way that you could be sitting here listening to this and go, well, that would be all right if that happened." (A, [34:23])

• The true “product” of Feed My Sheep isn’t just meals or services, but dignity, belonging, and deep caring.

  • Quote:
    "What we serve and what we provide at Feed My Sheep... is human dignity and kindness and care." (A, [28:18])
  • Quote:
    "Nothing negative. I'm not saying we've cured any ill of the world, but... Nancy exemplified how we will solve this... simply caring for a human being." (A, [30:54])
  • The greatest killer: Loneliness and isolation.
    • Quote:
      "The thing that is killing this population is loneliness and isolation." (A, [37:53])

7. A Direct Call to Listeners

• [34:54 – End]
  • Urge listeners to reflect on their own support systems, to be grateful, and to recognize how many have none.
    • Quote:
      "Stop right now... and just say a prayer of thanks for your emergency contacts in your phone... There are people out here... that don't have that." (B, [34:54])
  • Hope listeners feel outrage and grief—and are moved to reject the status quo of callousness.
  • Final challenge: Everyone can express caring and be present for others; small acts and real presence matter.

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• [04:01 – 08:47]: Story of overdose, hospital discharge, and abandonment
• [12:56 – 15:55]: Systemic failures compared to treatment of animals; ethical outrage
• [24:06 – 25:06]: Nancy’s emotional response and approach—what real care looks like
• [28:18 – 30:13]: Distinction between providing service and providing dignity/belonging
• [31:50 – 34:26]: Community call for refusal to accept indifference
• [37:53 – 39:02]: The devastating impact of loneliness and isolation

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Notable Quotes

• "If Nancy, who's sitting right across from me, or me, if the same scenario happens to me... you think you're released last night at midnight? No, not a chance." (A, [13:39])
• "When is it ever okay to just treat someone like they don't matter – to have someone who's partially incoherent put outside?" (B, [14:25])
• "Let's pretend that was a dog... there would be an uproar." (A, [15:18])
• "I just wanted her to know that I was glad that she didn't die." (B, [24:06])
• "What we serve and what we provide at Feed My Sheep... is human dignity and kindness and care." (A, [28:18])
• "She just needed to know that she was cared about... She would be sorely missed." (B, [30:13])
• "Nothing negative. I'm not saying we've cured any ill of the world, but... Nancy exemplified how we will solve this... simply caring for a human being." (A, [30:54])
• "If you have parents you care about... there is no way you could be sitting here listening to this and go, well, that would be all right if that happened." (A, [34:23])
• "Stop right now... and just say a prayer of thanks for your emergency contacts in your phone... There are people out here... that don't have that." (B, [34:54])
• "The thing that is killing this population is loneliness and isolation." (A, [37:53])

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, direct, and deeply empathetic
• Mix of righteous anger, grief, and advocacy
• Rooted in personal experience, faith, and community service

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Conclusion/Call to Action

This episode is both a harrowing story and a call to action. Jeff and Nancy urge listeners to see the real human costs of systemic neglect, reflect on the importance of community, and take personal responsibility—however small—to offer care, presence, and dignity to those who need it most.

To connect, discuss, or offer solutions, listeners are invited to reach out:
"jeffeedmysheeptemple.org – let's talk about what we could do better." (A, [32:20])

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End of Summary

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome, everybody, to another edition of the Collage podcast. We are glad to have you today. And golly, we have a little bit of a surprise that came our way. We're going to let Nancy multitask for a second and then we will begin.

[B]

You're getting really good at multitasking too, though. I think my influence is impacting you on some level.

[A]

No, I don't multitask.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I see you multitasking all the time now.

[A]

That's disengaging from whatever's occurring at the present time. Time. So if I'm texting, that's just like, oh, he's not at this meeting anymore. It ain't multitasking. So I am disengaged from the moment at hand.

[B]

I see. Now I know.

[A]

Okay, so interesting. We will start with a chuckle and we will catch everybody up today. So whatever we're at. So I will tell you by I don't know what. We will use the word coincidence. I don't know what would be the proper word. Fact. We had a guest in mind that we were going to have a discussion about. And with today, just discussion, because it's one of our young ladies who's outside right now and interesting dialogue, interesting discussion about what it's like, what it's like to be outside. We've had some interesting conversations. All that come to this morning, woke up last night. I said, man, that'd be really cool because her and Nancy have good rapport. Like, they can speak well together, they have a dialogue. And she's pretty open book of, here's what it's like to be outside. Here's how to survive. She's 18. She's been doing it outside since she was 13 on her own, got her GED. That's all. Man, that'd be interesting. Interesting dialogue. So in our world, it's hard to make appointments, but you try to find people early in the morning. So this morning, early, I went to some of the locations that I would anticipate finding her walking up the street here because she comes here pretty regular and didn't find her this morning. So you're going, well, what does that have to do with anything? Okay, so then we'll just give you a glimpse of our day. This still is the topic. We're still going to talk to her. She's just not here physically. So, Nancy, catch us up. I couldn't find her for the podcast. So tell us where the story unfolds a little bit.

[B]

So just based on what you told me earlier and by the way or thinks you have esp. I agree that you have esp. I don't. I don't think you talk to Nathan Lane by esp, but I do think you have esp. So you had said that you were looking for her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And one of the volunteers at the well came out and said, hey, there's a young girl here who is struggling, really worried about her. And you knew immediately who that was, that it was, and she doesn't go to that place. Yeah.

[A]

So we knew. I mean, I knew instantly that it was. So that's not the discovery. That's not the topic of this guest. So this young lady was in our women's facility early because she had smoked something that unbeknownst to her. And I want everybody to hear this sentence, okay. Because she thought she was smoking weed, which I'm not going to have a discussion of whether that was right or wrong. Okay. That's a whole other discussion. She thought she was doing that. It was laced with fentanyl. Okay. Yesterday evening at 5 was laced. She did not know that. Okay, I'm not going to have the discussion, but I should have done. Okay, whatever. Yeah, okay. I'm saying she didn't know that she had done this decision. And so then she realized, oh, crud, Something bad has happened.

[B]

Yeah. Immediately.

[A]

She knew immediately, like, this is bad. This is not. This is not right. Okay. She's staying in the facility in our town that for women that are homeless, this is where they would go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She makes her way back to that facility. She. This is fact, passed away from an overdose from fentanyl. They revived her. EMS comes, they bring her to the hospital yesterday, and they revive her. Her version, I don't know, but whatever. Several other times. She passes away.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

So then this morning we catch up. She's in the women's center. And then we're going to have the discussion here. She's in our women's center. She does not look well, fair.

[B]

She looks terrible.

[A]

She's very, very bad shape. Like, there's no if, ands, or buts. She's trying to get ready because she has work to go to. Okay? So go ahead and take that out of your. Whatever discussion you have about don't work and this and that. Whatever. She's trying to go to her job at 10:30. So she's trying to get cleaned up. She's not well. And you would say to yourself, hold up. Whoa, whoa, Jeff, the math is not adding up. She was in the hospital and she passed away numerous times. Yesterday. Starting at 5:00pm Starting at 5:00pm okay. And she's in. And they bring her back to life. How is she at your facility the next morning, less than probably 12 hours after she's admitted there to try to get to work because the hospital discharged her last night at about 12 o'. Clock, 1 o'. Clock, 1am 1am discharged her. Okay, so then ready here. We're going to add this little caveat to the story. She's discharged from the hospital at one o' clock even though she had. Whatever. Okay. I don't know the whole story. I'm not saying anything, ain't saying any name. Okay, whatever. It's over on the hill. But here in our little town of Temple. But whatever hospital you want to pick here in this town, they discharge her and you go, okay, so her family took her home. No. Okay, let's rewind on the story.

[B]

She's homeless, no family.

[A]

No family. So discharge for her means they loaded her up in a van nicely. Okay. I'm sure it's a great. I'm sure it was. They wheeled her in a wheelchair to the van. They take her neither here nor there. Whatever social worker drives her to the facility that she thought she was staying at and drops her off at a picnic table at 1 o' clock at night on a. I don't mean this rude, pretty rough street. And there's no good street at one o' clock at night for an 18 year old girl.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Just been released from the hospital, barely conscious in her recollection, fading in and out of consciousness, which I would believe because she's still. Yeah, she ain't still. Alright. At nine o' clock in the morning, in and out of consciousness. She's asleep right now on a couch. So don't think you're going to go, we're going to get to talk to her. No, she's sleeping on a couch right now in our women's center. She's not well.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They release her there at 1 o' clock at night at a picnic table by herself. She tries to go in the facility. They will not let her in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even though that's where her clothes are, that's where her bed is. That's where. And they sit and watch her sit on a picnic table in the lawn outside the rest of the night.

[B]

And let me just add, the cook from the facility where she was staying was one of the people that revived her. Thank God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Initially. So that would, that would make me assume that the people that work there would know what happened. Like I. I think that would probably make front page news with all of the staff at said facility that she died. The EMS had to come get her.

[A]

They get CPR on her?

[B]

Yeah. So they. Whoever it was that would not let her in had to have known.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

That she OD'd.

[A]

Or they called the EMS, came to the facility.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The cook. Kudos.

[B]

Kudos to the cook.

[A]

Kudos.

[B]

Yeah. Gonna go give him a hug.

[A]

100% sure. We are gonna go. Kudos to that person because he saved a life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Plain and simple. And called and did cpr cause CPR until they came because her heart stopped. We know that for a fact. Outside. Outside. This is out on the grass, on the street. It's not even in the facility.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, well, you go. What does that matter? Okay. It matters in that world.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. Over there. She wasn't even in the facility. Okay. This occurs on public property. Don't. Don't put in your mind. She went all. She was probably as a crow flies a mile and a half when she realized she was in a mess a long ways, maybe two miles. A mile and a half as a crow flies two miles as you walk.

[B]

Right.

[A]

She went back there because that's all she knew as a safe spot. She's not from this town.

[B]

So how she made it that distance in that condition, I don't know. It's the grace of God.

[A]

Yeah. So then we're going to rewind here is she has no family here.

[B]

Right.

[A]

She was in this town because she was in a mental health facility that discharged her in our area.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because she had run out of the course of. Well, I know you tried to kill yourself. Okay. So. Yes. Is there some mental difficulties there for depression and such like that? Yeah. How could you not? I mean, you've been on your own since you're 13.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Think you might suffer from depression? Oh, I reckon. Possibly so.

[B]

And to be completely alone.

[A]

Completely alone. So what we're going to do, the discussion point, okay. Is a. We can't say this. You cannot understate the reality. So we're going to just start. So we're going to talk to Nancy because she's here.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And this is fresh. This just occurred 45 minutes ago, 30 minutes ago, hour ago. Whatever. Yeah. It's still unfolding. We just went to her job and said, hey, she's not going to be here because she's just got released from the hospital and we'll take that. We'll make it right.

[B]

And she was so worried she was going to lose her job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So we went and took care of that. Soon as we're done with the podcast, we're going to get to figure out, because don't even put in the equation that an 18 year old girl right at this moment, as we are recording this, unless something changes, unless we are able to advocate strong enough and be irate enough, she's on the street.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So as we're recording this, this young lady does not. And she can't get her clothes or any of her stuff because she's not allowed back in the building.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Couldn't get her work clothes. So whole other discussion. So we're not bashing another organization. Not bashing the hospital at this discussion. Should they be? Yes, that's a whole other discussion in absolute travesty. Absolute travesty. And so make no doubt about it, I can't say anything because I wasn't there. But if Nancy, who's sitting right across from me, or me, if the same scenario happens to me, if I go to Scott and White, I go to a hospital last night because I've been taking something in that was laced with fentanyl. Nancy Glover, you think you're released last night at midnight? No, not a chance.

[B]

Absolutely not.

[A]

Your daughter, she goes there, you think she's released?

[B]

Absolutely not.

[A]

Your son?

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Okay. Not a chance.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Me? Not a chance. My daughter, I don't care how it unfolded. If she got released after dying and they say you're fine, I'd be up there today and it would be World War 3.

[B]

Agreed. I think for me, across the board, just generally, I'll just, I won't name a specific organization, just generally across the board, human decency. Like what. What happened? What happened to that?

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

When is it ever okay to just treat someone like they don't matter, just that they, they just let them go and you know, oh, well, whatever happens, happens like that. It would have been safer and better for her if they'd have just put her in the waiting room, in the emergency room, in a chair. At least there's a water fountain. At least there's someone watching over her. There's a place for her to be safe. To have someone who's partially incoherent put outside. 18 years old, beautiful young girl in the middle of the night. Like, how is that. How, how could someone be able to look themselves in the mirror in the next day? It is infuriating.

[A]

Infuriating. Agreed. And then in the world that we're in, I don't. This has always been my Pet peeve. Let's pretend that was a dog and somebody just dropped the dog off on that facility.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There would be an uproar going, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

[B]

It'd be on the front page of the paper today.

[A]

How could they let this dog just loose. It was at the vet and it was in bad shape. And then they just dropped it off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just dropped it off.

[B]

Yep. I dropped it off. It would be front page of the paper.

[A]

100%.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Should this be. Absolutely.

[B]

And, and the sad thing is I. I've worked with others that have said, you know, I'm having this problem or I'm having that problem or a toothache. Toothache this morning.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

As a matter of fact, don't want to go to the emergency room. They would rather be in pain than to go there because of how badly they're treated. Because they don't have an address or because their address is here. And they know if they're. If their address is here, that means they're indigent and that means that there's no money. And maybe it's not tied to money. I don't know. But I can tell you that there. That are people are treated so poorly that they don't even want to go. They'd rather deal with the pain.

[A]

And that is a. That's a topic discussion we're going to have. Okay. And I get it. On the medical side, do some of the people here that we interact with abuse the system and they have exponential amount of cost? Absolutely. I'm not even saying that. So we're not even going down that road. So just go ahead and stop that. Not Nancy's having. But I'm saying that discussion is invalid. Okay. So the medical. So we're not even going. I get some of that. We've had those discussions. We're just talking here. At the end of the day, basic human dignity.

[B]

Human dignity, yes. Just be decent.

[A]

I don't care about the money. So then in it. Allow us opportunities. If this is a money losing deal, then allow us to somehow help. Let us lose the money.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Provide care. If this was simply. We got to give them Narcan and we can do some stuff like that and we can do minor. I'm not advocating. I'm not pushing out there. Then great, then we can do that. Don't put a human being out on a picnic table and then don't have people that are getting paid to be. What do you call it when you watch something? Monitor.

[B]

Monitor.

[A]

Don't call yourself a monitor getting paid by the hour.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're going to monitor somebody who is passing away on a picnic table. So all of that, we will have those discussions and that's a whole other. But to get you a glimpse of these things, if you go back and you remember why our story, you'd go, oh my gosh, okay, this one is different, but the same.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so then. But what we're going to come to out of this, just so you. You're caught up, are we do. Is there things that should occur in this world that do occur, not should that do occur in this world that should anger us in a really deep way?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. Okay. I would even say it is biblical. Okay, so then we would go to the biblical principle and say that there's an emotion called righteous indignation, which is there's things that should bother us to no end when we witness them and that there's no way to justify that they are right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Abuse of children, sexual or physical, should bring you to a place of righteous indignation that is not acceptable or right when you see it. Okay. Sex trafficking of young kids, that should be righteous. And there is no reason that is ever acceptable for a human being. It should anger you to no end and you should want to fight and go, it's got to end. Yeah, okay. Righteous indignation. And you go, these things are just wrong. I think we're getting into that realm with this. Like these topics of that it's wrong no matter what dollars you tie to it, no matter how you justify it. Economics. There's a lot of people that make a lot of money off of this. That's a whole other deal. It's not right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay, I get it. The systems are messed up. I'm not saying this is not negative. I would even say the people that are in the systems to maybe. Well, they rely on the systems to justify their inadequate care towards other human beings.

[B]

Well, that's just the system, I think for this one. The thing that just is so sad to me is that she's had so many instances over the course of her life of people either saying that she's not worth anything or showing her that that's how they feel because they've abandoned her over and over and over again. And then to have medical professionals who are supposed to be paid to care for you like, she died and she died.

[A]

She died, died. We know that for a fact. Several times her heart stopped beating. She was no longer okay.

[B]

Yeah. And then they Basically turn her out at her most vulnerable point.

[A]

Y.

[B]

What is that? What does that tell you? What does that tell her?

[A]

Well, I didn't. Not sure we listened to that oath. We did very well.

[B]

I guess that's right. I guess that's just normal because everybody does this to me. Everybody abandons me. Everybody turns me out. I must not be worth anything.

[A]

Okay, so ready. We're going to make a strong left turn so you can see Nancy's.

[B]

I am very upset today about it.

[A]

Agreed. And rightfully so. So then you've heard this. Okay. And you've now heard this dialogue. So let me ask you, Nancy, when we got her, because she's able to speak now. She's. I mean, like we had a conversation. So Nancy and I. Because we will not. I'm not going to meet with a lady without somebody else there. Okay, so we go meet back in a private deal. What happened? She explained what happened. So we get caught up to where y' all are caught up now, you know? Okay. I initially respond with kind of what we just had here, maybe not to the mine was. I don't mean it rude, normal guy type deal, lack of a better term. Okay, so then we got to figure out how can I get you back into your bed? How can we get you a place to stay tonight? How can I get your clothes? What? We need to go talk to your boss at the work and let them know that you're not screwing them over. Okay. We need to do da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. All of these things that need to occur. And, you know, I might have referred or inferred. Hey, I'm sorry this happened to you, which I am, so I didn't mean it that way. This is bad. Tell me what you interjected in that conversation, Nancy. So now we know. We know you're. You're not happy with this that occurred. Okay, so tell me what you did to this young lady. What was your interaction with her at this baseline moment here? I'm telling her what we're going to do. Okay. We're going to get you a room. I'm going to go to bat with this person. I'm going to go holler at this person. I'm going to go do this. I'm going to go do this. Tell me about what your interaction. What did you do?

[B]

You mean while bawling? I just wanted her to know that I was glad that she didn't die.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And how tragic it would have been if. If she hadn't have made it. And then I'm just. I'm just so glad that she was there and that she's alone and to just, you know, the thought of her being there by herself and because she said her phone wouldn't work and it had been turned off and so she didn't have anybody to call and just to be in that, in that circumstance in the middle of the night and just completely by herself, I mean, it's just. I just felt. I felt the need to just hold her and hug her and tell her that. And I'm just really glad she's. She's alive and that she made it. And I would be so heartbroken if she hadn't. Of.

[A]

That. That's the discussion. That is the point. That is, this is. Yes, we did go. This discussion is not to bash the health profession. Does it need some adjustments? Absolutely. Is it a mess? Absolutely. Absolutely.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

If the one shelter that we got in town, if somebody gets released by a hospital that has a bed at it and they have to sit at a picnic table outside of it, then it's broken too. Something must occur there. So we're not having that discussion. So, like, this is the discussion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This young lady. Okay. We keep saying it. Okay. Some. And I will go. I don't know everything. I'm not every one of us, I don't know every detail. But some of the things that have been cast into her life path are not what you could deem necessarily fair. Her mom, biological mother. Okay. Most of her early childhood was in prison.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. In jail. So she was not part of that picture. So she didn't have that because she was a user and she worked in the sex industry. So we would have that. So that was not the bestest scenario. Okay. Dad. According to her. Okay. So I don't know him. I have no reason to doubt her. Whatever her perception is from an early age on abuse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was not a safe place to be. So at 13, picture this 13 year old. It was safer to be out on my own than to stay at the house.

[B]

Not to mention years, I would say, in and out of psychiatric behavioral health centers and things such as that because of her self image, her self image issues, her coping mechanisms that were unhealthy. Yeah. Just. Just a sad. And she even said today, you know, I'm. I just have this terrible curse over my life. If you think this is bad, just wait till this afternoon. It's going to be worse.

[A]

Agreed. Yeah. She would say, why am I just so effed?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And you want to tell Her. Well, you're not, but I hate to lie to a person, but she's not. Okay? So, like, even today. So what? I want the gist, everybody. So if you're hoping we're not leaving it tragic. She's sleeping right now. I want you to hear this. So if I would. So this is what we would say here. Okay. What we serve and what we provide at Feed My Sheep, that's where we happen to be, is human dignity and kindness and care. I mean, that's the product is a place of belonging and that you are cared about as best we can. I don't know. Okay. So out of that, then we say it over and over. The byproduct of that is we provide a lunch. We wash clothes, we dry clothes. We got a resource center. We got Cafe Soleil. We got all those are byproducts. They are needed things. Okay? So I would say if you want to understand. What Feed My Sheep is supposed to be about how this world should function. Jeff was decent in. We're going to tackle this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing and this thing. There is not a mother or a father sitting out there who has raised kids and cared for them well. That would acknowledge that is what that person needed at that moment. Nancy Glover. What did she need the most at that moment?

[B]

I think she just needed to know that she cared about.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

She would be sorely missed.

[A]

Ready? These other things are going to come. She had to know and she did. There is a place and there is a person that she would be missed if she is gone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That will care about her and try to help her in any way we can.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's what we do. That's what we say. That's what this is. If you want to change this landscape, it's one individual interaction at a time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Nothing negative. I'm not saying we've cured any ill of the world, but I would say three institutions that would say they're in the same business that we are and that actually get paid to be in the business that we're in that we don't get paid to be in. Okay. So don't even have that. They're making money off of this. We don't get that luxury here. I will say Nancy exemplified how we will solve this and how it is done. Right. Simply just being, caring for a human being. Is that so much to say? Are you all right? Oh, my gosh. I would have missed you. And I am really, really sad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When did the world become so, so calloused that it's all right to just sit by. I get it. Oh, Jeff, you're naive. Whatever. I am not saying we cured every single homeless problem in the entire world. I'm saying when did the world become so callous that we can just sit by and watch these things like this and go, yeah, that's all right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm saying to you, if you've made it to this far in this deal, you know, all two of you, either A, you've made it this far because you're in the health profession and you think I am diametrically opposed and I am wrong for everything that's coming out of my mouth. Good. Then let's have a discussion and you tell me why I'm wrong. I would love to. Jeffeedmysheeptemple.org let's talk about what we could do better. I'd love to hear that. Okay. And to go. I am saying, if you're at this point and you've made it and you're not just pissed at Jeff and you want to take. Because this is our world, all we're all about is, oh, I'm going to listen to this little word and I'm going to get mad at this word because it's more left, more right, more center, more up, more down, or whatever these things are. And I'm just going to go. I'm saying, forget that. That's not righteous indignation. I'm saying, if you're listening to this, say to yourself, this is not a just world and it's not how we have to live. No, it is not a world you have to accept and go, huh, that's all right. I would say to each and every person, I don't know where you are, so I'm not. If you don't have children, this is not. But if you have children, there's no way you would say, this is all right for your child.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Okay. If you have parents you care about, if you have a loved one you care about, if you're in a relationship you care about somebody, whatever you want to put in this context of connection with another human being, there is no way that you could be sitting here listening to this and go, well, that would be all right. If that happened to Billy, Susie, Johnny, Joey, whatever your person is, it's not all right.

[B]

Not all right. It is not all right.

[A]

It's not all right. I'm asking for the people of Temple at some point, the only way anything even remotely changes is we have to come to the sentence. And we go, it's not all right. It's not all right. We're not saying that you are the devil personified, but we're saying this is not all right in temple for people to be treated this way.

[B]

I would also say everybody listening to this, stop right now, whatever you're doing, and just say a prayer of thanks for your emergency contacts in your phone. Say thank you to God for giving you those people that you can call in the middle of the night that will come, that care about you and love you on that level and. And realize that there are people out here that we deal with every day that don't have that. There's nobody for her.

[A]

None.

[B]

Think about that. Like, how. How awful would that be? You just died several times over in a strange place, surrounded by strange people

[A]

in a town you don't even know,

[B]

in a town you don't know, and you're all alone, put out in the middle of the night in the dark in an alley, on a picnic table.

[A]

It's an alley.

[B]

Think about. I mean, how. How awful is that? How awful. I mean, words can't even.

[A]

And I hope, if you're listening to this, I hope you have some form of outrage.

[B]

I hope so, too.

[A]

It should be all right. It shouldn't be all right. Yeah. So all of that, and it's not all right. Shouldn't be is not the right word. It's not all right.

[B]

No,

[A]

it's not all right. And it's not the world that we're called to live in or how we're called to live. The excuses that we use. And they're valid excuses, don't mean that they're not the excuses that we use. I don't know that person. I wasn't there. Great. I mean, I get that. That's true. But just for us to sit back as believers in this greater good, to go, that's all right. It's just how the world is. It's not.

[B]

No.

[A]

It's not supposed to be in a person like this. I'm telling you, I will say it, and I will die on this one. Okay, it's dumb. I keep saying it, and I keep getting it reinforced more and more. The thing that is killing this population is loneliness and isolation.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Sit. I mean, that's what we are, what we are dealing with, what we are navigating. It's that. And then for all of you, just. I'm with you with Nancy on this one, and we'll be done as you listen Just on treadmill, in a car, wherever. You just picture your 18 year old self or wherever you are, you're 55, 75, released from the hospital, all alone on a picnic table in an alley in the dark. Good luck.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

she sat there, she made it through, fading in and out of consciousness, you know, and then she made it to our world about 8am is when we got her. She knew she had to get a picture that and then I would also say picture that and grieve for that person. It's not right. I don't know what will come of this. I don't have a clue. I'm just simply, we're going to end with this. It's not, it's not right. And it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be. I'm not saying we live with a group of uncaring people. I'm saying if we could just get enough people, just people to bring back common decency and to care not to be the answer. So then the reason, what's interesting, Nancy and I were talking will be done. Is her first response wasn't here's how I'm solving everything for you and the homeless topic at all. Her first response is the one that a human being needed to hear, which is I care about you and I was worried and I am worried for you.

[B]

The Nancy of six months ago or a year ago would have immediately started problem solving.

[A]

Agreed? Yeah, agreed. And that will come. We have that to do. Yeah, okay. But here there is not a person, if you are listening to this, there is not a person who cannot have the ability to care about another human being and a deep caring way. That's fact. There's a lot of people that are hurting, a lot of people that are alone in Temple Texas. There's a lot of people in this town who also can provide love and care for these people and don't have to be the answer to every single problem.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So out of that, just to give you a glimpse, this is another, another day. It's a lot, isn't it?

[B]

It is a lot.

[A]

It's a lot. It's a lot.

[B]

And it's not even noon.

[A]

It wasn't even a lot of a day. This is a lot of a morning. Okay? But I hope everybody out there, I hope you have a great day, but I also hope you sit there and you have a little bit of feeling of anger and you feel the injustice and maybe the taste in your mouth is you're going, I don't like that taste.

[B]

Yeah. So please pray for Christina.

[A]

Yeah. Legitimate. So that is that. Hope you all have a. A good day, and we will talk to you all next. Sam.