12 Days Of TCB: Zan The Baby Man

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

The Commercial Break – "12 Days Of TCB: Zan The Baby Man"
Hosts: Bryan Green & Krissy Hoadley
Date: December 16, 2024

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of The Commercial Break dives into the comedic dissection of "pickup artist" culture, with a particular focus on the strange, rambling advice of Zan Perrion (often mockingly called "Zan the Baby Man") from the infamous 21 Convention. Bryan and Krissy revisit their favorite outlandishly bad advice and philosophies that this self-proclaimed guru delivers to young men, riffing on his contradictions and odd analogies. The episode is bookended by absurd holiday banter and satirical commentary on pop culture oddities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holiday Banter & Opening Chatter

• The show opens with festive jokes, a send-up of "Feliz Navidad" and hosts ribbing each other about Christmas attire and new studio upgrades.
• Bryan's Walmart Christmas jacket and his wife Astrid’s insistence on him dressing up for the studio are met with good-natured teasing.
  • "If it wasn't for Astrid, I'd be wearing a T shirt." – Bryan [02:00]
• They joke about running more episodes for the "12 (now 20) Days of TCB", with playful protests of exhaustion.

2. Pop Culture Tangents

• Ancestry DNA and Surprise Paternity: The group discusses clickbait stats about men discovering they’re not the biological father of their children thanks to DNA testing.
  • Leads into a rapid-fire, comedic confusion about the science of twins, with the hosts admitting total ignorance.
• Machine Gun Kelly & Megan Fox: A running gag about unlikely celebrity relationships:
  • On self-comparison:
    "Me and Machine Gun are exactly alike, except for I'm not dating Megan Fox and we're not in a blood...like some blood brother thing." – Bryan [02:26]
  • The hosts speculate humorously about their breakup, the pressures of celebrity "circus" couples, and reference Tommy Lee & Pamela Anderson for context. Lively, irreverent commentary ensues.

3. Celebrity Nostalgia & Ridiculousness

• The 90s revival continues with jokes about 90210, Johnny Depp as a "40-year-old high schooler," and generational crushes.
• Bryan recounts being confused with actor Brian Austin Green in his childhood.

4. Internet Oddities: Hawk Tuah & Meme Coin Scams

• The viral "Hawk Tuah Girl" is dissected; the hosts express incredulity at her podcast's massive chart success and meme-coin rug pull scandal.
• Explaining Meme Coins: Bryan breaks down the mechanics of a pump-and-dump scheme and Howie Mandel's cousin ("Doc Hollywood") playing a role in the debacle.
  • "This is how some of these new media stars are getting rich. They do this meme coin or altcoin, and then they pump and dump it." – Bryan [17:35]
• The hosts joke about launching a TCB meme coin: "Break your bank coin, sorry, you spent so much money!"

5. Setup for the Main Event: The 21 Convention & Zan Perrion

• The hosts set the scene: The 21 Convention, a crumbling "manosphere" event, serves as ground zero for some of the internet’s weirdest "pickup artist" advice.
• Zan is introduced as a particularly lost, contradictory, and unintentionally hilarious speaker – "Jack Sparrow knockoff, greasy hair, big belt buckle, and dad bod" [20:26]

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The Zan Perrion Segment – A Breakdown

A. Zan’s Advice and the Hosts’ Satirical Commentary

• Father Figure Energy & The “Line”:
  Zan claims men adored by women embody both a stern "father figure" and a vulnerable "little boy." He advocates literally telling women, "I like you, but I don't like your behavior. Don't cross this line."
  • Hosts mercilessly mock the idea:
    • "I'm inviting you kindly, gently, to shut the fuck up. Do you mind?" – Bryan [27:32]
    • "A woman wants a man to have strong leadership energy...but also someone to take care of. Look, I got a little lipstick on my collar, mama. Take care of it. But don't cross that line." – Krissy & Bryan [35:34]
• Warrior's Repose:
  Zan uses an Aztec warrior analogy, explaining that a man fights "battles" then crawls into a woman's lap like a child.
  • Bryan and Krissy lampoon this with sketches of men plaintively whining for milk, hugs, and help tidying up.
    • "Brian needs moo moo. Milky, Astrid! Tt tta da!” – Krissy [30:25]
• Ease & Delight (or, How to Drift into Meaninglessness):
  When asked about "living a life of ease and delight," Zan spirals through Stoicism, Ecclesiastes, Mark Twain, nihilism, and death, never making a coherent point.
  • "He probably wrote a whole book on it." – Bryan [50:45]
  • "Nobody's going to remember you. That's the truth." – Zan [53:41]
  • "Nothing like a little Mark Twain to end the afternoon." – Krissy [61:07]

B. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Zan on authenticity:
  "You’re simultaneously both [warrior & poet]. And you forgive yourself everything, all seeming mistakes. Because we think we're not good enough. But we're more than good enough." [45:26]
• Krissy’s cyclical riff:
  "Teaching a generation of young men how not to get laid. Zan Perrion, everybody." [45:19]
• Bryan, on the uselessness of self-help advice:
  "Just pulling out quotes from every chapter in history does not make you enlightened." [61:41]

C. Audience Participation (‘Or lack thereof’)

• The Q&A segment is excruciating:
  • "Anybody got questions for...are you here to see Zan? No, no, no, no, no." – Krissy [41:32]

D. Meta-Commentary & Self-Awareness

• Bryan and Krissy constantly point out Zan’s circular, incoherent logic and drift into mock-philosophical absurdity.
• They close by poking fun at the endless conference, the air of futility, and the idea of "making no point trying to make a point."
  • "He’s certainly got weird ideas stuck in his head about women and relationships, trying to be enlightened..." – Bryan [61:27]
  • "But just pulling out quotes from every chapter in history does not make you enlightened." – Bryan [61:41]

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Notable Timestamps

• [02:25] – Bryan compares himself to Machine Gun Kelly
• [09:49] – How personality, not looks, made Pam Anderson or Jenny McCarthy attractive
• [13:59] – Hawk Tuah meme coin rug-pull explained
• [22:32] – Hosts groan about doing more TCB episodes (lighthearted burnout)
• [25:30] – Zan segment begins: Intro to "father figure" energy & advice
• [30:35] – Krissy’s “Brian needs milky” baby voice parody
• [35:29] – Krissy highlights the contradictions in Zan’s leadership advice
• [41:05] – Awkward silence in Zan’s audience Q&A
• [50:07] – The hosts riff on ‘ease and delight’ as a donut flavor
• [53:41] – Zan’s fatalistic "Nobody’s going to remember you" monologue
• [61:07] – "Nothing like a little Mark Twain to end the afternoon."

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode is irreverent, fast-paced, and gleefully mocking throughout—but it also exposes the incoherence and sometimes unsettling undertones of pickup artist advice. Bryan and Krissy maintain their improvised, playful, “friends-at-the-bar” tone (“unfiltered, chaotic, unpolished charm”) while dismantling pseudo-guru bravado with absurd voices and personal asides.

Listeners are left with:

• A scathing, sidesplitting portrait of the "pua" world’s accidental comedy
• Some pointed commentary on the dangers and idiocy of following internet fads and fake philosophers
• A holiday helping of pop culture nonsense—served "with ease and delight"
• Reminder to support real causes: St. Jude’s and the National Breast Cancer Coalition, not meme coins

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Memorable Quotes (With Timestamps & Attribution)

• “If it wasn't for Astrid, I'd be wearing a T shirt.” – Bryan [02:00]
• "Me and Machine Gun are exactly alike, except for I'm not dating Megan Fox and we're not in a blood...like some blood brother thing." – Bryan [02:26]
• "This is how some of these new media stars are getting rich. They do this meme coin or altcoin, and then they pump and dump it." – Bryan [17:35]
• “I'm inviting you kindly, gently, to shut the fuck up. Do you mind?” – Bryan, mocking Zan [27:32]
• “Teaching a generation of young men how not to get laid. Zan Perrion, everybody.” – Krissy [45:19]
• "Nobody's going to remember you. That's the truth." – Zan [53:41]
• “Just pulling out quotes from every chapter in history does not make you enlightened.” – Bryan [61:41]

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a perfect encapsulation of TCB’s comedic style: fearless, unfiltered, and ruthlessly funny. While showcasing the absurdities of both internet culture and self-appointed "gurus," the episode is ultimately a roast—for everyone’s benefit—of taking oneself (and dating advice) too seriously.

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(Episode closes out with plugs for the TCB website, stickers, charitable donations, and the promise of more daily holiday episodes.)

Transcript

[A]

Felice Navidad. Felice Navidad. Felicia. Felicidad. Felice Navidad. Felice Navidad. Felice Navidad. Prospero. I wanna wish you a merry Christmas I wanna wish you a merry Christmas I wanna wish you a merry Christmas from the bottom of my heart I wanna wish you a merry Christmas I wanna wish you a merry Christmas I wanna wish you a merry Christmas from the bot.

[B]

The next episode of the commercial break starts now.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break.

[B]

I'm Brian Green. This is my elf on the shelf, Chris and Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Chrissy.

[D]

Best to you, Brian.

[B]

Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Hope you're doing well, enjoying the 12 days of TCB. Actually, I think it's the 20 days of TCB we've decided.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

We've counted all of the episodes in a row. I think it'll end up being somewhere around 20. And you are officially the winners there. The listeners. We are in a perfect purgatory. But at least we're in a nice purgatory. We're here in our comfortable, brand new studios. I do like sitting back a little bit like this. It's better than leaning.

[D]

I love the chairs. Yeah, they're very chairs.

[B]

The table look. The chairs, I do have to say, I think are an upgrade. I think the whole studio is an upgrade.

[D]

I think your jacket is an upgrade.

[B]

This jacket is hot and loud. It is very loud. I'm wearing my Christmas greens here.

[D]

Yeah, it's like a Grinch green.

[B]

Yes. This was a Walmart 9.99 purchase by Astrid and she knows how to. If it wasn't for Astrid, I'd be wearing a T shirt.

[D]

I know.

[B]

Astrid goes, if we're changing this studio, you are not going to wear a fucking T shirt every episode. And I was like, okay, I can agree if we get. If we can do the studio, I'll change into something besides the T shirt. Don't tell her. I'll be back in T shirts before too long because it's just how uncomfortable. What can I say?

[C]

Listen, if Machine Gun Kelly can get.

[B]

Away with it, so can Brian Greene. Me and Machine Gun are exactly alike, except for I'm not dating Megan Fox and we're not in a blood like some blood brother are expecting marriage. They're expecting and they're also expecting to break up because they just announced they're officially not together anymore.

[E]

What?

[B]

Weeks after announcing that they're having a baby. I think right I don't know, I.

[D]

Haven'T seen that last part, but.

[B]

So I heard you girls talking over the break while I was, you know, actually working, and what I heard was that 1 out of 10 men in the United States are figuring out, or 1 out of 100 are figuring out that they are not the father of their child. Is that correct?

[D]

Yes, that was a little snippet.

[C]

DNA.

[B]

Ancestry. Ancestry DNA.

[D]

Well, it said. That was just the headline. Why? It just said why, you know, 1 in 10 dads or 1 in 100 dads are finding out they're not the child of their.

[B]

Their child is not there.

[D]

Yes, and I said ancestry DNA.

[B]

Wow. Ancestry DNA is.

[D]

It's a thing.

[B]

Yes. It's another cauldron of flaming shit that our world brought straight to our front door. I'm telling you right now. When they were looking for that killer of that, you know, CEO United guy, which we haven't talked about, but when they were looking for him, they were checking databases like private databases, like ancestry DNA for DNA.

[C]

I just don't want to have my.

[B]

DNA all mixed up in there. Although I probably already do have my d. My twin brother did it, so now I'm fucked.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Because we have share the almost the exact same DNA. Since we're fraternal, we got a few things. I wonder what's different in our DNA. It's gotta be something about the looks, huh? Or maybe. So we share the same mother and father DNA that we share, like the general DNA, of course. But then I guess the specifics are different. How does DNA work, Chrissy? Tell me more.

[D]

I have no idea. You're the twin. I can't believe you researched this.

[C]

No one knows. It's magic. It's a steaming cauldron of bits and bops and little pieces of, I don't know, twine and hair and.

[D]

Isn't there two eggs?

[C]

No, Chrissy. Two X's and one Y.

[D]

No, two eggs.

[C]

Eggs, yes indeed. I don't know.

[F]

Okay, my sister and I were talking about this the other day. So then if it's two eggs, is it also two sperm?

[C]

Of course it is. Yes, it's two sperm.

[D]

So it's basically two separate.

[B]

It's two separate children in the same womb at the same time. That's it. That's all you are. You're just a sibling that has known some. Another human longer than most people. I mean, you know, your mother, I guess, is. That would be that argument there. But there's an extra human being that you know than anybody else Has. And you've literally shared the same birth canal almost at the same time. But that's a. It's a thing, but it's a bond. Yeah. It's not like identical twins. We do not feel each other's pain. Although I will say there has been times when serious life events have happened and I have sensed that something was going on with my brother.

[D]

I could see that.

[B]

But I think a lot of siblings feel that way in general. Like, I don't think. I think best friends can feel that way. Husband and wife can feel that way. Father and child, daughter, you know, daughter and mother, whatever it is. Anyway, back to Machine Gun Kelly. They, you know, maybe he. Maybe she. He's not the father and he found out, and that's what's upsetting him. Could be Machine Gun Kelly and, you know, Megan Fox, they are blood married. They took that blood oath or whatever it was.

[D]

And so does that mean they're sharing DNA?

[B]

They're certainly sharing DNA.

[C]

I mean, listen, you're a certain kind.

[B]

Of kooky wookie when you do blood weddings.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? I get it.

[B]

I get it. Sometimes you're just so in love with somebody you want. You know how when you're in love with somebody and you want to eat them? Have you ever felt that?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You want to eat them. Not like. Not like cannibalizing. Army Hammer eat them. Yeah. No, no, no. Not like Army Hammer eat them. Just like you wish you could, like, ingest. There was a level of intimacy that was further than the level of intimacy you could get by all the normal means, like, you know, sticking your penis inside of them that you had other ways of getting into.

[C]

Smell.

[B]

You like, smell. Chew on them. Yes. Chew on their arm and make it bleed. Anyway, Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly no longer together. Mk.

[D]

But by the time this comes out, they're probably back together now.

[B]

I don't think so. I think Megan Fox, the pregnancy was the deal breaker.

[D]

What?

[B]

The pregnancy was the deal breaker. Here's my take on Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox, in case you want to know. Because I'm very interested in this relationship, believe it or not. Because they are a certain kind of personality, like, wacky out there. Eyes, all eyes on them. They don't really give a shit, but of course they give a shit, like, kind of thing. And they find comfort in each other's craziness.

[E]

Right.

[B]

I think this is what I. I'm, like, garnering just from public information because I have no inside track on Megan Fox. And Machine Good Kelly. But they take comfort in each other's craziness. But that craziness can also wear on you, right? And it can wear on a relationship. It's exhausting. And it's a constant circus around those two. Constant circus. Like, we've talked about this before the show, when two people are involved in the circus, it. The pressure is really on. Like, you know, Jennifer, whatever, Jen Lopez and Ben Affleck. When that circus gets really heated, it's like a pressure cooker. It's either to come out with diamonds or it's going to crumble like a piece of shit. And I think MJ Q, whatever his name is, mjk, mgk, That's a club. I think Machine Gun Kelly and I think Megan Fox, they've been under that pressure cooker for a long time. And I can imagine that certain kind of crazy has started to wear on them. They took that blood feud or blood oath or whatever the fuck it was. And as soon as that happened, I mean, how many more tattoos can you get of each other? You know, I'm saying you're running out of space on your body. I think that they stay at least disassembled for a long period of time because they need to cool off from the craziness. That's my opinion.

[D]

Attracted back together like magnets.

[B]

Who else? I mean, you shared blood with it. You have tattoos all over. Who else are you going to get together with? Like Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson, you know, they're. They take comfort in that certain kind of crazy, right? Then they break up and it's disastrous for both of them. They're like, both really hurt and they're hurt.

[D]

Blue agrees.

[B]

Blue totally agrees. But now they never got back together. Once Pamela and Tommy Lee separated, they did.

[D]

They got back together and then they broke back together. No, not now. They're definitely done now. But there was a period of time when they were breakup makeup. Married, divorced.

[B]

She just got nominated for a Golden Globe for Best Female. Best female performance in a musical. I mean, in a drama.

[D]

I saw that.

[B]

Yeah. For the Last Showgirl, I think is what it's called, the Last Showgirls. Very interesting. I want to see that. I like Pam Anderson. I've always liked Pam Anderson. I thought she's.

[D]

She's definitely got a certain attraction.

[B]

She's got a je ne sais quoi.

[D]

She does have a je ne sais quoi other than just obviously her physical beauty. But she's. Yeah, she's. She just seems fun. And also she's a mother so she's kind of got that side to her and now she's got that show, but basically where she went back to the beach, her beach house in Canada.

[B]

Oh, she. It's a reality show. Oh, very interesting. They follow her around.

[D]

Yeah. And she does all her like homebody beach stuff.

[B]

Hot take. I mean, not hot take, but here's, here's what I thought, always thought about Pam Anderson. I never thought she was like the most attractive. It's my opinion, my objective, my completely subjective opinion. She was never the most attractive woman. I know that people went gaga over her.

[D]

It's a certain type.

[B]

It's a certain type and you're either into it. Why I liked Pam Anderson was her personality. She always seemed like smarter than the average bear. Do you know what I'm saying?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

She was like in on the joke. She understood it. She drove the bus. And I know that, you know, she may not agree with that 100% because I didn't live her life. I don't know. But the same reason why I like Jenny McCarthy, like, not the most, you know, to me, not the most. Like, I would prefer Daisy Fuentes, if you go back to that era, than Jenny McCarthy. But at the end of the day, Jenny McCarthy was always in on the joke. And that to me was attractive. Like, I liked their sense of humor. I liked how smart they were. I'd like that they were in on the joke. That was it. So I, I wish nothing but the best for Pam Anderson. Hopefully she gets that, that Golden Globe knot. And I would like to see the last showgirls. Have you seen. Sure.

[D]

I have not.

[B]

I wonder what it's about. I wonder if we knew anything that we were talking about here on the commercial break.

[F]

Can I give you a fun fact about Megan Fox?

[B]

Sure.

[F]

Her ex husband is Brian Green.

[D]

Oh, yeah, no, I know. Brian Austin Green.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Brian Austin, who was in 90210. It was a big.

[F]

But you're like, I'm not married to Megan Fox. And I'm like, well, you were.

[B]

The same thing. Told this story before probably many years ago on the show. But when I moved from Chicago to Atlanta, I was 12 years old, maybe going on 13 years old, something like that. And obviously I moved with my family. I did. Brian wasn't taking a bus on his own down to Atlanta. The show 90210 came out in that summertime or in that period of time when we had just moved. Someone in the neighborhood in Chicago started a rumor that the Brian Greene on the show was the Brian Greene that had left the neighborhood. Same Brian Greene. When I came back to Chicago the first time after that show had been running, you rode that way, I rode that wave. Kids thought, well, I mean, all they needed to do is take one look at me to understand that that was not the same guy that was on tv. Plus, I think Brian Austin Green at the time was like five years older, six years older than I was. I mean, clearly I was not.

[D]

All kids that were on 9020 were way older than they were in their 30s.

[B]

That's how you did it back then. I mean, 21 Jump Street. Johnny Depp was like 41, playing a high schooler or something like that.

[C]

That was a Great show.

[B]

By 21 Jump street you had your kick.

[D]

A few years ago, I would sit.

[B]

Edit the show and watch 21 Jump street and Laguna Beach. Those two shows were on, like, repeat on Pluto TV or whatever. But it makes you realize not only were the show premises absolutely ridiculous, but then the people that they got to play the characters were absolutely ridiculous. No one would believe that Johnny Depp was a high schooler or that Jason Priestley was, you know, in a sophomore in high school. I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous. And who is the other guy? The guy who passed away? What was his name on 90210?

[D]

Oh, Luke.

[B]

Luke. Luke Perry.

[D]

Luke Perry. Yep.

[B]

Luke Perry.

[D]

Shannon Doherty's gone now, too.

[B]

Did she die?

[D]

Yeah. When we talked about it on the.

[B]

Show, I thought Shannon Dougherty was.

[D]

She died of breast cancer.

[B]

Oh. Why? I don't remember. I'm so. I'm so sorry to hear that. Shannon Doherty was like a mega, mega star when 90210 came out in July. Wow. Oh, the people that we've lost this year in memorandum. A lot of people in memorandum. We would do an in memorandum here, but we'd probably get it all wrong. We have many times quoted people to be dead that aren't in fact dead, and then people to be alive.

[D]

Kristofferson for once.

[B]

Kristofferson has been dead for no years.

[C]

He is, in fact, still alive and kicking.

[B]

But you know what we have done this year, as we've done the 12 days of TCB, we have gone back so far and looked at events, content, or programs that we have enjoyed over the year that you have enjoyed. You have told us as listeners you've enjoyed in 2024. And one of the things that has really resonated with people good, bad and and indifferent has been our focus on the pickup artist community. And more specifically, the paws and more specifically the. The, the paws who go to the 21 convention. Speaking of Hawk to a let's take a side note.

[D]

I just thought.

[B]

Did you hear about.

[D]

Yes, the meme coin?

[B]

I have been diving into this. This is fucking insane. First of all, let's. Let's say that yesterday we started the show by saying that Kylie Kelsey had the number one podcast in all the land on her very first episode of her very first podcast. Congratulations to her. No shade. Yes, absolutely no shade whatsoever. Congratulations to her. She knocked off. She knocked Joe Ro out of the top spot. That is a mighty feat because Joe gets big, big, big numbers. But then the Hawk to a Girl is like the number five most popular podcast in all the land. How is the Hawk Chew girl more popular than the commercial break? I mean, it's probably easy to understand. It's more entertaining. But I'm telling you right now, that is a crazy feat to be the number five podcast in all the land. That means you're getting millions and millions of people listening every single episode you put out there. Hawk to it and all of her infinite wisdom. And I don't know this girl. I don't know her from. I have not paid attention to the story. I think it's kind of ridiculous that she got so famous for saying two words on a street in Nashville. But whatever. People apparently liked her personality.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

And she took the opportunity to cash in on it.

[B]

She took the opportunity to cash in like a lot of these, like new age new media stars do. And she rug pulled a bunch of people with a meme coin. Let me explain very briefly. Meme coin is an altcoin. It's just like bitcoin or any of those others. It sits on a blockchain.

[C]

Bitcoin.

[D]

I can't help it. Every time I hear bitcoin.

[B]

The meme coin, however, has no function whatsoever. There is absolutely that mean they can build in utilities into its special programs and prizes and access that you get for being a meme coin holder, which is apparently what they tried to do with this Hawk to a coin or the Hawk coin, as they would say. She hyped up this hot coin, got in bed with Howie Mandel's cousin. His name is Doc Hollywood. And apparently he's like a, like, I don't know, some kind of meme coin expert or something.

[D]

So listen to this name like Dog Holiday.

[B]

Listen to the math on this. For early investors and people who knew Hawk to whatever her name is. Is it. What is it? Kylie Kaylee, something like that? Haley Kaylee, I don't know. She and her team, in their infinite wisdom, gave 17% of the total coins to insiders, basically, and then released 3% of the coins to the public. She pressed this hard on her podcast, on her social media. She tried to get people who are have no clue about any of this stuff to buy this meme coin. And then the moment that it went public, 17% of the people who were holding onto it, who knew what was going on sold immediately because they cashed in. That's what you do. It's called a pump and dump scheme. It's a rug pole. I'm using this very fancy terminology from Twitter spaces. It's a rug pole. And basically you are throwing the losses to the people who are unsuspecting while you cash in as an inside a.

[D]

Rug and tug, if you will.

[B]

She got a rug and tug. She got a hawk and a two and a rug and a tug. And people are pissed with some people saying there's. There's jail time involved for some people. And I don't know, because, you know, listen, if you're into this altcoin shit, you got to be ready to lose money. That's just part of the game. It is just a scheme. It's just a pump. It's all pump and dump. There's really no utility. You don't go to Starbucks and use your hawk to a coin. That doesn't happen. It's just never going to happen.

[C]

So.

[B]

And there are millions of these meme coins out. I mean, hundreds of thousands. There's got to be meme coins. And this is how some of these new media stars are getting rich. They do this meme coin or what altcoin, and then they pump and dump it. I mean, even Donald Trump's coin is having trouble taking off, but Octu is. Seems like she's in big trouble and still the number five podcaster in the world.

[C]

We need a meme coin.

[B]

Do we have any memes to coin? Not really. So that's hard to do a meme coin when you're just two idiots on a podcast. The TCB coin Break coin. Break your bank coin. Sorry. You spent so much money. And by the way, at one point, right after Hawk 2 as Coin was released, the total valuation of all the hawk coin out there was half a billion with a B. Dollars.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Half a billion dollars. And then quickly went down to $40 million after everybody sold and every bunch of the insiders made money while all the other people are just left holding the bag. That's why they call it a rug pole. And it's terrible. So I have a suspicion that hawk herself, Ms. Tu, had no idea what she was getting herself into that she also was not knowledgeable about. That's right. But she made some money. There's no doubt about that. And that is problematic. So we'll see what happens with Ms. Tua and all of her hawks. Her. Her hockeys. I don't know what you call them. What does she do on that podcast?

[D]

She. She does interviews I listened to, like the first one.

[B]

So how did you find it?

[D]

Because it was all over the news.

[B]

No, I mean, how did you find it? Was it good? Was it interesting?

[D]

Oh, how did I find was?

[B]

I'm speaking in old English. How did you find it?

[C]

How did you find it, My lady?

[D]

I searched on Apple for it.

[C]

No, I mean, how did you find it?

[B]

Did you find it?

[D]

Well, it was okay, but I never went back to it.

[B]

You never went back to it because you didn't like it? Let's just be honest about it. You didn't like it. You found it to be boring. It wasn't interesting. I haven't listened to any of it. I've seen some of the video and, yeah, she's got celebrities that come on there. I think they. I think she had JoJo Siwa recently. Listen, you know, no knock. If you could get JoJo Siwa to sit in this seat, you'd be out the door. Chrissy. I'd have Siwa in here in one second. I'd have her gyrating on that couch in a heartbeat.

[C]

All right, so let's take a break.

[B]

When we get back, guess what, kids? Today for the 12 days of TCB, something very special. We're gonna go back to our paws, the 21 Convention, and Zahn. Zahn took up a considerable amount of our energy and effort this year. I think we did five total episodes on Zahn. But lest you think we've done all the Zaun there is to do, Zaun just keeps on talking. So we have more of Zahn Panon Perry on whatever his name is. The very sad Pua, I think is.

[C]

The only way to say it.

[B]

The. What did you say? The Jack Sparrow knockoff, greasy hair, big belt buckle and dad bod all together. And he will tell us how many books he hasn't sold and how lost his life is when we get back. Oh, also want to remind you, please, the St. Jude foundation, the St. Jude Series of hospitals, always accepting donations to provide free care to children who have life altering Illnesses like cancer. Their main hospital in Memphis. We'll put a link in the show notes and also the National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund. Both of those things we're focusing on for the next couple of days. If you would be so kind as to drop a few dollars their way. The link on the show notes goes directly, directly to their website. We do not get in the middle of it. We are simply shining some light on it. I just want to make that clear, lest you think we're going to take the money. Yeah, we're rugging and tugging. Our meme coin is St Jude and.

[C]

The National Breast Cancer.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So go there, donate some cash, make yourself feel good, and we will love you forever. Send us a screenshot and I'll send you an extra sticker or two or something like that. Okay, let's take a break. We'll be back.

[C]

Back.

[F]

In a shocking turn of events, it's me again, Christina, your producer and resident rom com lover, here at the commercial break. And I just have one thing to say. I'm just a producer standing in front of an audience asking you to follow us on Instagram at the commercial break and on TikTok @TCB podcast, text us or call us and leave us a voicemail. Because when you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with tc, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible. And while you're at it, go to our website, tcbpodcast.com but you don't have to, because we like you just as you are now. If you immediately got those references, you're my kind of person. But it's time to take a break and listen to some sponsors and then we'll get back to the show.

[B]

All right, and we're back spreading some Christmas cheer all over the place, as is our network. Can you please do more episodes? No, we can't.

[C]

How many more episodes can we do? I can't do any more episodes.

[B]

That's it. I'm all full up. But you know what? I like this because here's the thing. 12 days of TCB gives people something to look forward to at the end of the year. Not us, but other people. Something to look forward to at the end of the year. Gives us a chance to review the year properly where we don't have to try and fit it all into one show like we did last year. I think last year we tried to fit it all into one hour. Number one, number two, two. Number three. It gives people something to listen to during the holidays. That is completely unacceptable for any kind of family activities. So it gives you an opportunity to get away from those ratball children. And your shitty uncle Tom won't stop talking about, you know what the entire dinner and listen to some funny shit. So, okay, One of our favorite things to do in 2024, really in for the last two years has been pause pickup. Actually since the beginning of the commercial break we've been doing pickup artists. But we've really started to refine our target and that is the 21 Convention. The 21 Convention is an all round man haven. I guess. I don't know what it is. I mean it's like maga. It's masculinity, it's the patriarchy, it's trad wife. It's all things dip. These guys put together these conventions but the convention is no longer. It suffered from some financial issues like no one showed up.

[D]

And so I think it imploded.

[B]

It did. It imploded because the guy who started it, I think he had some financial issues himself and he took the convention down with him. But then people weren't happy with him either. Am I right about that? They were all upset because he wasn't paying them or wasn't. I don't know what the. Who cares about the 21 Convention? What I care about is the content that they put out. Over eight years of doing this convention, it refined itself. It got more weird and more extreme and more. I actually saw a like a video of one of these pickup artists telling you how to text a woman. How to get a woman in bed by simply texting her. And had had it not been so visual, I would have done that one. But I felt like we should go back to someone who really occupied quite a bit of that space, that poise space for us this year in season number four was Michael Anthony. The year before it was Frankie B. The year before it was the. That weird guy talking into the camera. I can't remember his name. Season number one. But in season number five, no one occupied as much time as Zahn Perryon, the very sad pickup artist who is down on his luck. But don't worry cause he still. Things are going to work out fine for Zahn. But he's here to share with you about all the tricks of the trade. Chrissy and how to get a woman in bed and make sure that the patriarchy stays alive and well.

[D]

I can't wait to hear.

[B]

Let's. Let's pick up in the middle of a Zaun conference appearance here as he talks about Men with women in their lives. Here you go.

[E]

Who women adore? Men who have women in their lives all the time. Women take care of them. They just. They love them. Right. You know what it is? The number one. Well, it's complex, but I'll try and sum it into a little simple thing. The men of all of history who have women in their lives who love them and take care of them have two qualities. Counterbalancing. Remember upper Lauren energy. I talked about counterbalancing.

[B]

Zahn is the guy who told us that you got to make sure you have counterbalancing energy. You got to make sure you have that intellectual, strong personality type. But then you have to have that thrusting penis motion. Slap your balls right into somebody. Which I've been trying out at the grocery store and seems to be working fine at the local Kroger. Just letting you know this.

[E]

There's simultaneously two women, a father figure that says, don't cross this line. I like you. Don't do this. I don't like that. I like you, but I don't like your behavior. Imagine that. What a phrase to say. What a phrase to say to a beautiful woman. You know, I'm saying, what a phrase.

[B]

And then put your hands up, like block your face.

[C]

I can't imagine if I had said.

[B]

That to any of the women in my life. Life. There's a line. Don't cross it.

[E]

You. I like you. And I don't like this behavior. I don't like it, but I like you.

[B]

Powerful, powerful. So powerful. I. It's never worked. So powerful.

[C]

Women don't get it.

[B]

I can't understand.

[E]

So there's a father figure that says to put her in her place. Don't cross this line. Cuz I have. This is the way I want it to be, my dear. It's kind, it's gentle.

[B]

Oh, the kind and gentle kind of don't talk.

[C]

The kind and gentle.

[B]

Don't talk unless spoken to.

[E]

It's invitation, sensational. It's sweet. You're not think I don't like this when you blah, blah, blah.

[B]

I'm inviting you to shut the up.

[C]

How do you feel about that, young lady?

[E]

Well, it's none of that kind of energy. It's like, listen, listen, baby, listen.

[B]

I like listen, sweetie, baby, honey, listen. All that yammering. I don't know what the you're talking about, but I'm inviting you kindly, gently to shut the up. Do you mind?

[C]

Do you mind?

[D]

Cross the line.

[B]

Don't cross the line. And by the line, I mean the, the, the threshold of my door. This is the man cave where all man things happen. There's thrusting energy in here. You got to be careful. Balls swirling around everywhere. I don't want you to get smacked in the face.

[E]

Q. I don't like this behavior. Don't do it again. Look at my eyes. Don't do it again.

[B]

Look in my eyes. Don't do it again.

[D]

So weird.

[B]

I cannot imagine under what circumstances I would talk to another, another human being like that, except for my children. Like I talked like this to my children. Look at my eyes. Don't do that again. You know what they say?

[C]

No, no.

[E]

That father figure saying, no, don't do it. No, I don't like it. Powerful men that have women in lives have that spirit. At the same time, they have the spirit of these little boys who are lost and they're.

[B]

And, and I think he just summed up, I think that's a little self aware. I think he just summed up his entire existence. A little boy who is lost calls.

[E]

To the life giving mother essence of women, which they have. I don't care what modern society and media says. They have it. In other words, there's a little boy caught in the cookie jar like this. And mother walks in and he's standing on the stool like this and she goes, what are you doing?

[C]

Are you also marveling at his body.

[D]

Type, his gestures, and miming out a kid in a candy jar?

[B]

Yeah, we, we got it. We understand. We've seen a kid in a candy jar before.

[E]

And he goes, okay, well, you're so cute. You can have a cookie.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Right? Am I right?

[D]

Powerful.

[B]

Hello.

[C]

Listen to that crowd. They're riled up. I'm not sure who gets a better audience reaction.

[B]

Taylor Swift at the last Harris concert or zod at the 21 convention. It's close.

[C]

She played the.

[B]

No, you know, she played Wimbley. He's playing Wakean.

[C]

It's close.

[E]

In other words, the strongest men with women are men who say, don't cross this line. I don't like it. I don't like that behavior. And they're simultaneously little boys who are like needing help and, and they can't adjust their color and women have to wash behind their ears. And like if you, if you're only this cool guy who's got 100% figured out and you don't give the women the chance, the woman in your life, the relationship in your life to take care of you and like to inspire you and to be that woman.

[C]

Ah, nothing that A woman wants more.

[B]

Than a small child to take care of. Can you watch behind my ears?

[C]

Brian needs moo moo. Brian needs his moo moo. Milky Astrid. Tt.

[B]

Ta da.

[C]

I made three people poor. Can you watch my little TT I tinkled on myself.

[D]

Yeah, Astro is gonna love that.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I made a boo boo. There's a boo boo in my pants. But don't cross that line. Thrusting energy.

[E]

You. You rob her of everything. She wants to take care of you, too. And that's why women in relationship will start drama and start fights and start poking at the guy because there's no energy. This, like, he's just like this flatline guy. So they try and cause a drama or cause a fight or cause some.

[D]

Or they're gonna actually say, shut the fuck up. And you don't need me to change your.

[B]

Yeah, that's right.

[C]

I mean, Titi tata.

[B]

Can you wash behind my ears? Where are you getting these women?

[E]

So this is the conclusion that I've ever come in my life. I never heard anybody in my life say it.

[B]

There's probably a reason why Zahn.

[E]

Men who love women are loved by women. That's the way it works.

[D]

Men who love women are loved by women.

[B]

Oh, that's an Instagram. That is an Instagram quote to go on. A nipple picture if I've ever seen one.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Here's my conclusion. In life, here's what I figured out, because I've been there. Because all men have been there at some point in their life. We make the mistake of. Especially, I think early on in life, we make the mistake of. Of supplementing a woman's love outside of our mother's relationship for a love like our mother's relationship. And we do become childlike. We think that it's a job of a woman to take care of us in certain ways.

[C]

And what I've found is that's not.

[B]

Exactly precursor to hot sex.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

If you. If it's so. If you have to. If you can't do your own laundry and you have to be taken care of and every little issue becomes a drama unless mommy takes care of it, then the woman will start to think of you like a child. It's oftentimes, I think sometimes my opinion is, I think sometimes a woman's first child is their first boyfriend, because that's how men act in a lot of cases. It's just a learning curve. Curve. But at 72 years old, or however Zahn is, he really needs to, like, grow up A little bit. Women don't want someone to take care of. I mean, listen, I think we all care if you're, if you're empathetic, you're a caretaker. You want to take care of people like when they have the flu. Not like on a Tuesday afternoon when you, you know.

[C]

Where's my lunchbox, mommy?

[E]

They get a free pass. Now this. If you're the men of all of history who have women who just like, oh, that's just him. He gets away with it. You have to prove something to me. No, that's just him. He's on our side. He's on our side. You guys know what I'm talking about. It's a man who get a free pass. What? It's because they have this strong father figure energy. No, don't. Here's how I want it to be, baby. I want it to be like this. And that's what I want it to be. And I will not bend on that.

[C]

I will not bend. There's no bending whatsoever. This is how things are going to be. I have declared it for my. Hello, honey, hello. Those are my car keys. Where are you going? I said I demand it. Thrusting energy. Thrusting pee, pee poo poo.

[E]

Instead of following her around, we hear about this leadership energy. Guys, guys are being taught this. If you want to do something, you tell the girl, I want to do this. I choose this move movie. But there's no point in that with my girlfriend. I say, hey, baby, listen, let's go to a movie tonight. Why would you like. Do you have a preference? Because I don't care. Right.

[D]

Well, I mean, there's just a considerate thing.

[B]

Yeah, we have to teach this. Really. We have to teach consideration. I mean, if you're going to see a movie with someone, wouldn't you want them to be interested in it all?

[D]

Relationship or friend, whatever.

[B]

That said, this is the guy who got dragged to all seven of the, you know, what do you call them?

[C]

One of those movies, 50 Shades of Gray movies.

[E]

You know, I'm not sure this one. Then I decide. Okay, okay, I'll decide. Let's go. So this is still a give and take. It's still an energy of that. You see, I'm not demanding My way or the highway. No, no, not at all. I love my girl. You want to do this? Okay, baby, let's go. I'll go. I'll go with you because I like you and I to want do it. So that's that. Strong leadership energy says, no, don't cross. But if she crosses the line.

[C]

But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but. Hold on, hold on. There's qualifications here. But, but, but, but, but.

[B]

See?

[D]

What? Is he considering crossing the line?

[C]

Well, Chrissy, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but let me try and explain myself. A man, a woman, wants a man to have strong leadership, energy if we're gonna go see this movie. What do you want to see? But then he also wants someone to take care of. Look, I got a little lipstick on my collar, mama. Take care of it, T. But don't, don't cross that line. Throwing energy up here, but down there, over here, left and right, I don't know, up and down. He's saying nothing. I know nothing. No wonder his book didn't sell. It's four tomes of nothing.

[E]

I don't like it. Baby, listen. Don't listen to me. Listen to my voice. Look at my eyes. I don't like it. I like you, but don't do this. I don't want it in my life. I don't want this energy around me, the to do it. You see?

[C]

I see.

[D]

You see?

[C]

You see? You see here, you see what I'm talking about? I'm making a point.

[B]

I'm trying to make a point.

[E]

Same time, if you give that.

[B]

See, now I'm remembering exactly why we think Han is so funny. Because he never ever quite gets to the point.

[D]

No, he doesn't.

[E]

I'm emphasizing this point. I know.

[C]

Totally unplanned. Totally unplanned. That was so good, Brian.

[B]

Just read the COVID of the book. That's it. I just had no idea that was coming.

[E]

Give her the ability to take care of you and her mother instinct comes out. There's something called the Warrior's Repose.

[C]

Ah, yes, the Warrior's Repose. I love the Warrior's Repose. It's a haiku. Are you ready, Chrissy?

[D]

I'm ready.

[C]

Pee pee poo poo, paisan. Uh oh, I made pee pee poo poo. Will you clean it up? Will you? Will you? What movie shall we go to in this fortnight? Don't step over the line or I'll.

[B]

Hit you with my balls tonight.

[C]

Pee pee poo poo paesand the Warrior's Repose.

[E]

Imagine this, an Aztec warrior out there fighting battles, fighting warriors.

[D]

Bringing it all the way back to the ass.

[B]

So similar to today's times.

[F]

Honestly, I mean, I feel like he got his entire outfit, all of his accessories, at a Walmart in New Mexico.

[B]

Well, listen, so did I So I don't want to make.

[C]

I don't want to make too much fun today.

[E]

Fighting and going in battle, which we used. You have this spirit of like going out there and he comes back into the tent.

[D]

Aztecs have those beautiful structures they're uncovering in the rainforest.

[B]

I'm pretty sure they had pyramids, entire towns. But they came back into their tent. Their tent. I'm pretty sure tent is a rather modern thing in the grand scheme of things.

[E]

And he crawls into her lap like a cat, this fierce warrior. And he puts his head on her lap and she's stroking his hair and says, it's gonna be okay. That's what we're missing. That's what we're craving from women. The warrior's repose. You go out there and you fight the warriors.

[B]

Repose is to crawl up in a woman's lap. I like to crawl up into a woman's lap. But I think that can be true said of anybody, is that everybody likes that kind of that coddling. Every once in a while we all get into a headspace or emotional space where we just want to lay on someone's lap.

[D]

A big hug.

[B]

Yes.

[E]

Battles. And you fight your warrior and you come back and she has the. The grace and the feminine energy.

[B]

I'm gonna go murder some of the natives and I'll be right back. Lay my.

[C]

I'm gonna be like a pussy in your.

[B]

I'm gonna come curl like a pussy right in your pussy.

[E]

Tata to rebirth you and say, it's gonna be okay. We want that. And we're missing it across the board. Modern women saying, well, what are you gonna do for me? And blah, blah, what do you do for living? And I'm a warrior.

[C]

Yeah. I just murdered a bunch of people to try and save our civilization.

[D]

Now get. Get back to my tent.

[C]

Now sit down so I can lay on your lap. Get back into my 8 person quadrat from Patagonia.

[D]

I know it's under the bridge, but just get back.

[C]

I just spent $1,000 at REI. I'm getting there. What do you do for a living? I don't know, Zahn, but I think.

[B]

There'S a few steps before getting in a woman's lap. And I think knowing what you do.

[C]

For a living is probably one of them just throwing that out there.

[B]

Of course it is 2024 and shit's weird.

[E]

It's all broken. But take heart because it's gonna change. It's gonna change.

[D]

Is he gonna change it?

[C]

I'm starting a silence. Silent Silent revolution with my belt buckle star into my belt My swinging balls will hypnotize you into curling up in my lap and doing my laundry.

[E]

I feel it. It's gonna change. I talk all over the world. I talk to different groups.

[C]

You talk to, like, people at the bus stop, I think is what you meant to say.

[E]

And it can't sustain. It's gonna change.

[B]

It can't sustain.

[E]

Anyway, I talked a lot. I got a few minutes left for any questions.

[C]

Oh, questions.

[B]

I love you. This. Yeah. Is there anybody in the audience?

[C]

No.

[B]

No.

[C]

Hello? He's just swinging his hand back and forth. Hallelujah. Everybody in the back, say what? Everybody in the back, say what? Please, somebody run to the microphone. I think.

[D]

I think he's got somebody on the line.

[B]

Oh, okay, let's see. We'll take one question and then maybe we'll take a break. Hold on. A question for Zan.

[D]

He's the only one up there.

[C]

Anybody got questions for. Are you here to see Zan? No, no, no, no, no. The indoor pools that way. Anybody else here for Zen free books at the end of the conference? Zan. Did you hear what he had to say? I mean, he just. It's. It's gotta change things. The patriarchy's clearly gonna be back in style in a few months. And Zander, just any questions?

[B]

No?

[C]

Okay, I'll ask a question. Zan, what do you do for a living?

[E]

Hi, girls in the back. Hello.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

This is embarrassing. Why wouldn't they cut this out of the YouTube video? Like, even I'm not that dumb. Even I cut out dead air from our show Arrow.

[C]

That's poor Zan. I really do sometimes feel.

[B]

I mean, I feel empathy for everybody, but for Zan, especially because he didn't sell the book.

[C]

He's trying to write a second one.

[B]

He's got a daughter who he thinks might love her at some point.

[C]

I mean, it's just like.

[B]

It's a terrible situation for Zan, you know, but by the way, this goes on for an additional 30 minutes. So clearly somebody happen asks him a question.

[G]

Hey, really great talk. I especially love the end piece about the warriors and poets. And I was just hoping that you could speak towards. So I'm someone. When I first meet someone, I have a lot of, like, a wide range of interests and ways in which I can act authentically. And can you?

[C]

Congratulations.

[B]

Bam.

[C]

I can act authentic when needed.

[D]

Warriors and poets. I don't think that that's what that he said.

[B]

No, he said war. Yeah, he said warriors Repose. Yeah. The warriors were oppose.

[G]

Explain like how you transition from the warrior to the poet when you're just.

[C]

He didn't say anything about the poet. This guy walked in at the end.

[B]

He has no idea what he's talking about.

[G]

Meeting someone. So it doesn't come off as you're being incongruent with yourself. Totally. If that makes sense.

[E]

Yeah, kind of.

[C]

Well, yeah, kind of. This is a tough one. But let me opine. For the next 15 to 20 minutes.

[D]

I'm gonna make a point. I'm gonna make a point.

[C]

I'm gonna get to a point here.

[B]

Just a.

[C]

A point and a point.

[B]

There's a couple points before I get to the point.

[E]

I think. I don't know.

[C]

Like, I don't know. This is not really my line of.

[B]

Expertise, transferring from the warrior to the poet. Because I never said that. At different conference together.

[E]

It's a simultaneous thing. If you feel the energies of both that whatever you're talking about, the poet and the.

[C]

The poet and the penis. If you feel the poet in the.

[D]

Penis, whatever he's talking about, Whatever you said.

[C]

What did you say? I'll say it back to you and.

[B]

Then we can talk back and forth. How's that?

[E]

It's called a conversation in the warrior. And you express it to her. That's powerful. That's a powerful thing.

[B]

That is penis powerful, bro.

[E]

Like, I'm a big advocate of speaking your truth. Whatever's going on in the moment, I really. I believe it. If you like a girl. If I like girl. I say I like you. I don't know why, but I like you. If I want her in my bed, I want you in my bed. That's what I know. Hello, what's your name? You should be a.

[D]

Hey, girls in the back.

[C]

Hey, girls in the back. What's your name?

[B]

I want you in bed.

[C]

Meet me in room 212.

[B]

That's a junior executive suite.

[D]

I'm gonna pull out.

[C]

I've got a stand up shower and a tub. Hey now, no blood stains on my carpet.

[E]

Be a great lover for me. I say it so so to speak that what you're talking about is there is no transition. This is what I'm trying to say.

[C]

Teaching a generation of young men how not to get laid. Zan Perry. On everybody.

[E]

You're simultaneously both. And you forgive yourself everything, all seeming mistakes. And I think that's a. That's a powerful takeaway. I hope you guys get. You forgive yourself every seeming mistake. Because we think we're not good enough. But we're more than good enough.

[C]

Uh oh, computer crash behind me. Okay, let me explain.

[B]

On the video here, there is not a screen behind him because it's not that kind of conference room. It's like literally like one of those meeting rooms and a Holiday Inn.

[C]

He's got a Vizio TV fresh out of the box with the stand and everything.

[B]

And behind it, it just has 21 convention written on it. And all of the sudden, someone's browsing.

[C]

The Internet on that TV behind it in Microsoft. Nonetheless, Microsoft, the wave of the future. Okay, Wanda, this is a good place.

[B]

To take a break, I think. Christina, let's take a break. Just a quick reminder. The St. Jude's foundation and the National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund, both of those links down below in the show notes, do us a favor and maybe yourself a favor in the future. You never know. Donate to those two very fantastic causes. Help the brothers out. We'll be back.

[F]

Have you been missing something from your life? Of course you have. You listened to the commercial break, and what you've been missing is me, right? No.

[E]

Damn.

[F]

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[B]

All right, back Here with Z in 21 convention, Zahn is teaching us men how to, you know, be. Basically, the title of the video is how to be with a woman in your life. And. Okay, fair enough. I could. We could all use a pointer here and there, but so far, what he's told us is incongruent, to use a big word that someone in the audience used and does not make much sense. He wants us to both be a warrior and a pussycat. He wants us to need women, but tell them that we don't need them. He wants us to make decisions for them, but make sure they're involved in the decisions. So I just don't know what to think of. Zon Zaun is a master at not making a point. But there's a lot of people.

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Thank goodness for the. For the PowerPoint behind it.

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Thank God that someone is now browsing the Internet behind it. Him. He's captivating the audience.

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And I'm not kidding about that, guys. I am not kidding about that. I hope you. Hope you get that. I hope you really receive that.

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Oh, I'm receiving.

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Any other questions? I.

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So the guy asked specifically, how do I transition? How do those two things live between.

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The poet and the warrior?

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Poet and the warrior. And how do I really do that? And Zahn ended up telling. Telling him, just everybody forgive themselves. He means it.

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Forgive yourself.

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And you don't do it.

[B]

You don't transition. You just do it simultaneously.

[D]

Yeah, same at the same time.

[C]

You drag the woman by the hair.

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While you're telling her how much you love her. A haiku.

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No.

[C]

No, no. It's so defeatist. No, I just keep talking.

[B]

If I was him, I mean, I've had this happen. It's embarrassing, but you just keep going. You power through. When the questions section of the. Of the presentation doesn't end up being so fantastic, you power through. You gotta have backup contents on. You can't just stand there and go, no, no one.

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Because it sounds worse.

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I got, I got some questions.

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I got some questions.

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MAGA 2028. So you have always been known about talking about ease and delight. Light. How would you.

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Oh, ease and delight. It sounds like the next Krispy Kreme special Donut. Join us at Krispy Kreme for 99 cents. Ease and delights.

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Did he say ease and delight or ease into light?

[B]

No, I think he said ease and delight.

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Okay, let's see.

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Oh, I. I don't.

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I don't know.

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I like ease and delight, though.

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In a nutshell, how does one live a life of ease and delight?

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You know what? I tell you this.

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I'll tell you this. Let me make. Let me make some points before making a point. First of all, my ties by the beach. Second of all, I don't know.

[B]

Look at his brain working.

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He has no idea.

[B]

He probably wrote a whole book on it.

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He has no idea.

[B]

Idea what he's talking about.

[E]

Huh?

[C]

Huh?

[B]

Well, next question.

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No, let me tell you about something, boys.

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Oh, my God.

[E]

I guess it goes back maybe to the Stoics.

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To the warriors.

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The Stoics. It goes back to the Stoics because when I think of ease and delight, I think of the Stoics. Like play Doh. He lived a life of ease and delight. Roman bad house. Back to the sky's my sundown. He's a delight.

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Who talked about. No. Goes back to the book of Ecclesiastes.

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Oh, the good old Ecclesiastes. Yes.

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Oh my God.

[C]

It was like a precursor to. Precursors.

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No, no, no, no, no. Wizards.

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No, hold on, hold on, Wick. Wizard of Oz. Chrissy Goes back to wizard of Oz.

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There's nothing new under the sun. All is vanity, says the preacher.

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King Solomon went out and found and nodded my drop got that.

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He had 500 concubines and 300 wives. He had riches above all the riches. He had wisdom above wisdom. And he writes the book Ecclesiastes, which is. I sought all of this in this world. And all is vanity. By that it means none of it matters. The sun rises on the rich and the poor for the good and the bad.

[C]

Says the guy with 500 concubines and all the riches.

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And then you're easing and delighting your way through life.

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Easing with delight. Ease and delight you. Yeah. Or delight.

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Imagine this. Mark Twain said this.

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Mark Twain.

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Mark Twain.

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Imagine quoting Mark Twain.

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He's all over the place.

[C]

Warriors, stories, the Bible. Yeah.

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Ecclesiastes. Mark Twain.

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Prince Mark Twain said this. What did Mark Twain say? Let's see what's on.

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You die, they memorialize you for an hour and forget you forever.

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Well.

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And there you are. You're delighted.

[C]

I guess that sums it up. We've all been delighted.

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When you die, everything, all your possessions are going to disappear like the wind. And here's the truth. Nobody's going to remember you. That's the truth.

[C]

Nobody's going to remember you. What kind of.

[D]

There's no delight in that.

[B]

Absolutist. Is that. That is such negativity. Nobody's going to remember you. That is the nature of death. You become remembrance. That's what it is. And it's likely at least one person will remember you.

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I mean, maybe in Zahn's case, some.

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People will be forgetting, but.

[E]

What a shocking thought.

[B]

Shocking.

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When I look at it.

[C]

Wait, he's talking about death.

[B]

And the guy asked about ease and delight.

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I know.

[C]

Ease and delight.

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It's bizarre.

[E]

I'm from Canada, so I grew up in the wilderness with no sense of history, no old buildings.

[D]

Oh, God.

[B]

Remember that? He took a 20 mile journey with a strange man.

[C]

He came out changed. I'm sure you did. Yeah, just a little light touching. It's old school. Pinoting. Back when pitoing was fun, the warriors did it. Just a little old school butt patting.

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The people in Europe have all this like history that they grew up in and they take it for granted. And you know, when I see a portrait, I see a photo of a woman from 1880. She's smiling like this with a glass of wine. Looking at black and white photo of this woman, I'm thinking she's young and pretty, probably 21 years old.

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Old.

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And she's 100% forgotten today.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Way, way to get the crowd going, Z. Pipe them up right out the door.

[B]

With death and dismemberment.

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You're never going to be remembered.

[B]

So what are we doing here today?

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Nothing.

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Gone.

[C]

He's come to the defeatist point in his life.

[D]

Oh yeah?

[B]

Yes.

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And that shocks my mind. How is that possible? That all she. All she dreamed and all she loved and everything she tried to. And she tried to create things and stuff like that, and it's all gone and forgotten. In other words, whatever you're trying, whatever you're in your head about, whatever you're like trying to.

[B]

But I want to point out one thing, Zahn.

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You are in fact remembering her.

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I know, that's what I thought too. You're seeing a picture of her.

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So now you have me. Because the guy who's remembering the lady who has forgotten.

[E]

Micromanage means nothing. It absolutely. It means nothing.

[B]

I mean, I get the point, but it's not really.

[E]

This is it.

[D]

He's not articulating. Articulating it?

[B]

Well, yeah, he's not. Yeah, but I guess articulation has never been Z since we've known him.

[E]

We're waiting for something else to happen. We're waiting for women to be nice finally. It's not going to happen.

[C]

Well, okay, end on a high note. Send him out the door.

[B]

I'll gung ho.

[E]

We're waiting. If not now, then when?

[C]

Later. That's my philosophy. If not now, then when? Well, a little bit later. Just a little bit later.

[B]

After I take a nap.

[C]

Can I get a bite to eat? Do you mind? I'm hungry. After 90 day, fiance, I promise.

[E]

That was from a Greek philosopher. If not now, then when? Ask yourself that. If not now, then when? Well, when I save up some money. When I. If not now, then when? Philosopher, I'm telling you guys, this is a call to leadership. There's a fight of your lives. There's no more time. When I came out of Nicaragua, When.

[C]

I was embedded with the sand and Easton's running Drugs for Jimmy Carter and the CIA. Let me tell you something.

[D]

He's all over the place.

[C]

Thought I had time, but I learned an old Nicaraguan saying, Pretend you're making a point when not making a point, that you shall have fabulous riches beyond riches.

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My concept was this and I wrote this phrase. It's in my book and you're going to see it in my book.

[C]

Is it because I'm giving you a free copy because no one will buy it?

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Affected me greatly. It's this. Every great life has had a great renunciation. Boom.

[C]

I'm sorry, can you repeat that?

[B]

I could.

[C]

How do you spell renunciation?

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Every great life. I'll say that again. Every great life has had a great renunciation. We're this self help generation. Everybody here has got self help books sitting on their shelf. You've got programs you've signed up to to try and understand something about yourself.

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This one, for instance.

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This book I'm about to give you for free.

[E]

And it's not necessary to read the book.

[C]

Oh, well, that's good. I just look at the COVID and get everything I need to get out of it.

[E]

It's enough that I bought it and sitting on the shelf I got the answer right there. Yeah, right. We buy these books, we don't read them because. But there's the answer right there. And when we read that book, we read the next one and read the next one. We go to the next program, the next weekend conference. We go to all these conferences. We do all this kind of stuff.

[C]

Like this conference you're at now that.

[B]

You paid all this money for to.

[C]

Watch my transitions slowly get darker.

[B]

His transition lenses have gotten darker and darker as the evening has worn on.

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Chasing that. But I'm telling you that is not enough to that is not enough.

[C]

Okay, what was he saying it earlier?

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What was it?

[C]

Totally lost. I have no idea.

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I'm trying to pain.

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I thought it was ease and delight.

[C]

But I. I guess we've moved on to suffering and sorrow.

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Nothing matters.

[E]

Take everything you've got and more. If you want to have a life. If you want women to look at you like who's this guy? Go into the wind and speak your name Like I said earlier. Go Brian.

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Brian, Brian.

[B]

Tie in the wind.

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Tie in the wind.

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Chickapay.

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You're such a stone.

[C]

What's that? Jody Foster and Nell.

[D]

Oh, right.

[C]

Tie in the wind. Tie in the wind.

[E]

Climb a mountain and mountain and don't tell a soul that you did it.

[C]

Well, what's the point if I'm Climbing a mountain.

[B]

I'm telling everybody.

[C]

Instagram, I can't climb Everest without a.

[B]

Few good reels to go on with it.

[C]

There's no other point. How am I supposed to get laid.

[B]

When no one saw me at the top of Everest? Please, on.

[E]

Go into the world. Hang around your heroes. Go seek them out. Say I wanted to learn something.

[C]

Well, what's your phone number, Zahn? Because that's where. That's where I want to go.

[B]

I'm with you, buddy.

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I want to fight for something. I want it. That's where you go. That's the power. It's that important.

[C]

Important what? Meanwhile, Z's gonna go home, play some Fortnite, and eat a cheeseburger from McDonald's.

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That's right.

[C]

Like he told us, he plays that. I riled him up tonight. I really got him going.

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I pulled out my stoics.

[C]

I pulled out Ecclesiastes on their ass.

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Mark Twain.

[C]

Nothing like a little Mark Twain to end the afternoon. All right, I think that's a good.

[B]

Place to wrap it up with Zahn.

[C]

Because how much can one take of making. No point trying to make a point. Oh, one of a kind.

[B]

Oh, God.

[C]

Well, you know, listen, he's not the.

[B]

Worst PUA we've ever seen. That's for sure. He's not the best, but he's not the worst. And what I mean by that is he's certainly got this idea, weird ideas stuck in his head about women and.

[D]

Relationships, trying to be enlightened. He's trying to be some sort of way.

[B]

Yeah, but just pulling out quotes from every chapter in history does not make you enlightened.

[C]

It doesn't.

[B]

I'm sorry, I wouldn't know, because I'm not enlightened. I'm not claiming to be, but I do know that this is not it. No, I'd probably go with that chick in the white headdressing. What was her name? Bajran.

[C]

Yogi Bajran.

[B]

That's more my flavor. I like ayahuasca. That's more my favor. It's my. It's mild compared to Zon. I'd rather do a night of ayahuasca than a night with Zon.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

God. And this thing is 2 hours and 40 minutes long. Can you imagine sitting through 2 hours and 40 minutes of this underneath that lighting in that Holiday Inn conference room? No, thank you.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

All right, so here we go.

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We're trucking along.

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12 days of TC CB right on.

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Through Christmas and beyond. All right.

[B]

Through Christmas and beyond. We will be here every day with a brand new episode. I think this is a Sunday episode that we're recording right now.

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I think so.

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I think that will officially be the first ever Sunday episode of the commercial break. So there, there you go. Breaking new ground every single day, Chrissy. Breaking new ground. All right. TCBpodcast.com that's where you go. More information about the show, all the the auto, all the video and now all episodes are available on video either on the website, on Spotify or YouTube.com the commercial break. But when you go to the website and we implore you to, you can get your free sticker if you go to the contact us page drop down menu. I want my free sticker. Give us your address away it will go. Also if you make a donation to St. Jude's foundation or the National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund, send us a screenshot and we will send you some extra swag. 212-433-3822 212-4333 TCB questions, comments, concerns content ideas at the commercial break on Instagram TCB podcast on Tick Tock. Follow us like comment on your favorite video. We certainly would appreciate it. Okay Chrissy, that's all I can do for today.

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I think so.

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But I'll tell you that I love.

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You and I love you best you best to you.

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Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time. We always say, we do say and we must say goodbye. I have it.