Breaking Bad Bread Without Tom Papa!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Commercial Break

Episode Title: Breaking Bad Bread Without Tom Papa!

Air Date: September 19, 2025

Hosts: Bryan Green & Krissy (Chris) Hoadley
Summary Prepared by: Expert Podcast Summarizer AI

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Brief Overview

In this high-energy, irreverent episode, Bryan and Krissy take aim at CNN's new "Breaking Bread" show hosted by Tony Shalhoub, which they claim rips off comedian Tom Papa's longstanding podcast of the same name. With their signature blend of sarcasm and improv humor, they rally listeners in support of Papa, digress on celebrity culture, Howard Stern, Guy Fieri, Kid Rock, and the ongoing spectacle that is Fyre Fest’s Billy McFarland. If you’ve never listened, this episode is a ride through pop culture oddities, industry gripes, and inside podcast comedy, all through the duo’s unfiltered, self-aware banter.

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Table of Contents

1. The “Breaking Bread” Controversy (05:15-19:59)
2. Bryan & Krissy’s Take on Celebrity Food Shows (10:35-13:04)
3. Supporting Tom Papa and Listener Call to Action (16:48-20:05)
4. Howard Stern’s Media Manipulation Saga (28:50-38:47)
5. Kid Rock and Washed-Up Rockers (41:19-44:56)
6. Fyre Fest and the Billy McFarland Musical (45:07-58:44)
7. Fish Concerts & Ticket Prices (58:44-60:16)
8. Bryan’s Upcoming Story Tease & Wrap-Up (60:43-62:11)
9. Notable Quotes & Moments

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1. The “Breaking Bread” Controversy (05:15-19:59) <a name="breaking-bread-controversy"></a>

• Bryan introduces a “cause” for listeners: Rally behind comedian Tom Papa, whose podcast "Breaking Bread" appears to have been copied by CNN for their new show with Tony Shalhoub.
• Description of Tom Papa's involvement:

  “Tom Papa has been on the show twice. He’s invited us to shows. He’s been a gracious friend of TCB. I think he’s even run some ads for us saying what an okay show we are.” (05:24, Bryan)

• CNN’s “Breaking Bread” with Tony Shalhoub:
  • The hosts express outrage that the show is “almost exactly Tom’s” – a celebrity visits, eats bread, and chats, mirroring Tom’s concept.
  • Krissy jokes about possible alternative titles:

    “Can’t Tony have a show? Monk this way or something? Monkeying Around. It’s still monkey bread!” (10:19, Chris & Bryan)

• The nature of Hollywood stealing ideas:

  “Everybody steals everybody else’s shit and makes millions off of it and gives zero credit to the person who actually did it.” (08:19, Bryan)

• Reflection on Tom’s unique interview ability (especially with ‘awkward’ guests like Carrot Top):

  “No other person on earth I do believe could make Carrot Top as interesting to me as Tom Papa did.” (15:47, Bryan)

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2. Bryan & Krissy’s Take on Celebrity Food Shows (10:35-13:04) <a name="food-shows"></a>

• Discussing the overdone nature of food/travel shows:

  “It’s also not particularly original to travel around the world tasting the foods of the culture… But it’s been done by one person and one person only in a way that will never be done again. Anthony fucking Bourdain.” (10:37-10:57, Bryan)

• Anthony Bourdain admiration:
  • Bryan and Krissy lovingly roast all “Bourdain knockoffs”, insisting none will ever match his authenticity and work ethic.

  “There’s not an episode of any of his television shows that I have watched that I don’t love… I just love it.” (11:32, Bryan)

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3. Supporting Tom Papa and Listener Call to Action (16:48-20:05) <a name="support-tom-papa"></a>

• Urging listeners to support Tom’s original podcast/show:

  “Rise up, my friend… We as the audience who love and support our Tom Papa, we should go and love and support our Tom.” (16:48-16:49, Bryan)

• Trolling CNN by asking ‘What About Tom Papa?’ in their comment sections… but nicely:

  “Don’t be mean. Don’t be like, you know, Tony’s a fucking shithead. Don’t say stuff like that. Just be like, what about Tom Papa?” (18:58, Bryan)

• Speculating on whether Tom was approached by CNN:

  “If I’m reading the reel that he put out correctly, it seems like Tom did not know, was not approached, was not part of it, had no idea.” (17:57, Bryan)

• Joking about licensing and IP (intellectual property) protection:
  • Bryan points out that trademarking common phrases like "Breaking Bread" is nearly impossible.

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4. Howard Stern’s Media Manipulation Saga (28:50-38:47) <a name="howard-stern"></a>

• Stern’s recent “will he/won’t he” return:

  “Turns out that Howard Stern was punking the media all along. Or at least he was not doing anything to assuage any concerns. He was fueling the fire…” (28:50, Bryan)

• Breakdown of the ‘sick leave’ turned publicity stunt:
  • Andy Cohen did a fake handover episode, fueling rumors, until Stern reappeared mid-show for maximum buzz.
  • Bryan and Krissy both admire Stern’s ability to manipulate attention and negotiations.

  “He invented, basically, what we’re doing right now. Long format talk radio, long format comedy chat, cast type radio, podcasting, vodcasting, video…” (34:40, Bryan)

• Reflection on Stern’s evolution from shock-jock to mature interviewer:

  “Can you fault somebody for maturing along the way?... Because if he was still doing that stuff today, he would have an audience. No doubt about it. But maybe that’s not the audience he wanted.” (37:28-37:56, Bryan)

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5. Kid Rock and Washed-Up Rockers (41:19-44:56) <a name="kid-rock"></a>

• The decline of Kid Rock:
  • The hosts reminisce about Kid Rock’s early hits but agree he’s lost the plot, turning into a culture-war casualty and a self-parody.

  “Every time I… I don’t see Kid Rock showing up anywhere except for like charity events in Iowa or something.” (42:29, Bryan)

  • They roast his Bud Light hypocrisy and musical stagnation:

    “You say you got to hang up the fur at some point… Remember how angry he got at Bud Light? Like... and then like six months later, he’s in the Bud Light commercial.” (44:43, Bryan)

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6. Fyre Fest and the Billy McFarland Musical (45:07-58:44) <a name="fyre-fest"></a>

• Billy McFarland’s (Fyre Fest’s scammer-in-chief) latest antics:
  • Hosts incredulous over news of a Taika Waititi musical about Fyre Fest.

  “Why would anybody want to watch a musical about Fyre Fest?” (46:22, Chris)

  • Bryan summarizes McFarland’s ongoing pop-up “scams” and attempts to leverage Fyre IP for cash:

    “He sold his company IP on eBay… for a mind blowing $243,000 and $245,300.” (46:32, Bryan)

• Bryan nearly scammed into paying for a TCB podcast exclusive:
  • He details how McFarland’s team approached him, asking for $5,000 for “exclusive access”.

  “Billy was trying to scam me out of $5,000 and now you’re saying to yourself, well, it could have just been someone associated with Billy. Could have been. Except I was cc’d and emailed by Billy or an email that I would assume would have been Billy’s.” (57:19, Bryan)

• McFarland’s ludicrous attempts at Fyre Fest 2 and pop-up hotels:

  “He is literally an insane human being. And why Billy, I would have thought after Fyre Fest 1 there would have been an opportunity to get with some real, yes, festival music heavyweights and... do this the right way... but instead he went the same exact route…” (54:03-54:51, Bryan)

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7. Fish Concerts & Ticket Prices (58:44-60:16) <a name="fish-concerts"></a>

• Bryan comments on Fish’s upcoming concert, challenges of ticket prices, and how seeing shows live now often devolves into watching through phone screens.

  “To go see fish, I could, if I really wanted to see fish, I could pay 9.99 and watch the show online. There you go. Not quite the same vibe.” (59:39, Bryan)

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8. Bryan’s Upcoming Story Tease & Wrap-Up (60:43-62:11) <a name="wrap-up"></a>

• Teasing next week’s segment:

  “But next week, I'll tell you my story about the cacao ceremony. Mayan cacao ceremony. Yes. I'm still trying to figure it all out in my brain.” (60:43, Bryan)

• Roundup of episode’s tangents:
  • Roasting Trump, Kid Rock, the absurdity of modern music, and poking fun at themselves.
  • Encouragement to visit their website, get a free sticker, and interact with the show.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments <a name="notable-quotes"></a>

• On Hollywood Copycats:

  • “Hollywood... has such a terrible fucking name for itself… everybody steals everybody else’s shit and makes millions off it and gives zero credit to the person who actually did it.” (08:19, Bryan)

• On Anthony Bourdain:

  • “Anthony fucking Bourdain… Travel, food, food, travel, food, travel, travel, food, travel, food. People, humans, cultures, culture, anything. I don’t care what it is. Music, it’s… He did it all. Anthony Bourdain was the best that ever lived.” (10:57, Bryan)

• On Guy Fieri:

  • “Guy Fieri… You know, then I've heard he's got certain particular peculiars about certain lifestyles... Come on, Guy. You know. Take it to Flavortown. But take it... Other people have flavors!” (21:02, Bryan)

• On Stern as a genius negotiator:

  • “Howard is a master media manipulator. He’s been doing this for so long… That’s how it works, you dumb shit. You talk like that’s some bad thing. He did it. You got him. You got you. He got you. To talk about him.” (34:33-34:40, Bryan)

• Bryan’s brush with McFarland’s scam:

  • “I could get there and I could be there with all Access success for $5000... Billy was trying to scam me out of $5000 and now you’re saying to yourself, well, it could have just been someone associated with Billy. Could have been. Except I was cc'd and emailed by Billy or an email that I would assume would have been Billy’s.” (57:19, Bryan)

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Episode Highs & Lows

Highlights

• The passionate defense of Tom Papa against alleged idea theft by CNN.
• The running joke about “commenting nicely” on the CNN show's social media.
• Bryan’s sardonic tale of almost getting scammed by Billy McFarland.
• Multiple meta jokes about how “unpolished” TCB is (“fringe of the entertainment industry”).
• Tangents about pop culture, music, and podcasting that blend real critique with self-aware farce.

Tone

• Chaotic, sarcastic, and self-deprecating.
• Legs firmly planted in the world of improv and riffing, but with genuine affection for the personalities they discuss (e.g., Tom Papa, Anthony Bourdain).
• Frequent use of explicit language and affectionate teasing of each other and their audience.

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For New Listeners: Why Listen?

This episode is a quintessential example of The Commercial Break’s mashup of anti-establishment comedy, podcast industry in-jokes, pop culture rants, and genuine fanboy/girl praise (especially for Tom Papa and Anthony Bourdain). If you like your comedy “unpolished,” with a hefty dose of meta-critique and friendship-fueled antics, this is for you.

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Transcript

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[Brian Green]

On this episode of the commercial break. Anyway, go and make comments on the rip. Don't be mean. Don't be like, you know, tony's a fucking shithead. Don't say stuff like that. Just be like, what about Tom, Papa?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, let's just bring up Tom.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, and they say I'm never eating Tony's bread. Not breaking bread with me. Tony, if you come here with your 60 cameras and tens of thousands of dollars worth of promotional dollars for my podcast, you won't be sitting and having bread with me. Quick cut to me and Tony, I love your show. What an original idea. I'm so happy I'm a guest. Tom who? Who?

[Chris Hoadley]

He had what?

[Brian Green]

I had no idea. Had the guy on twice. Totally forgot the name of his podcast.

[WFUCU Board Member]

The next episode of the commercial break starts now.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah, cats and kittens. Welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Chris and Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Chrissy.

[Chris Hoadley]

Best to you, Brian.

[Brian Green]

Best you out there in the podcast universe. Calling all commercial breakers, calling all my TC fans. We have a chore. We've got a project. We've got a cause to get behind. I'm about to explain. Listen up carefully, because here's what you're gonna do. On behalf of the commercial break and friends of the commercial break, we, of course, love, know, love, adore our good friend. And by good friend, I mean someone who agreed to show up more than once and suffer our abuse, Tom Papa. Tom Papa has been on the show twice. He's invited us to shows. He's been a gracious friend of tcb. I think he's even run some ads for us saying what a okay, show we are. What a fine show.

[Chris Hoadley]

You don't have anything else to do. Check this out.

[Brian Green]

Fine. After my podcast. I don't care what you do. I don't care what you do. And this is one of the things, one of the millions of things you could do. I'm not saying it's better than the other things. I'm just saying it's a thing you could do. Yes, it's Tom Papa, and he has a very popular podcast where he interviews in depth a celebrity, each time breaking bread with them. And he calls his podcast Breaking Bread. He has a whole brand around Breaking Bread. He's cooking bread. He's making bread. He's giving bread on a restaurant table to his celebrity friends.

[Chris Hoadley]

And who doesn't love bread?

[Brian Green]

Who doesn't love bread? He's got a really good idea here. And he puts his mouth. He puts his money where his mouth is, so to speak, and actually makes the bread himself. Now, cnn, Time Warner and their infinite fucking wisdom have created a show called Breaking Bread. And Breaking Bread is starring the guy, Tony Shalhoub, who is Monk, if you remember Monk and the marvelous Mrs. Mabel and Shalom Shalob. Mm. Doesn't matter how you say his last name. They made a show taking basically Tom's premise and putting it out there in the world. He's gonna go visit around his friends in his New York, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's gonna break bread with them, and he's gonna bring bread, and he's all gonna be about the bread they stole. Fucking Tom's idea twisted it just a little bit, Taking it outside of a studio and putting it out in the real world. Gave it the same name with a different celebrity that we don't like as much because we don't know.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And I am pissed about this. And I don't know how Tom feels. I saw real, and I don't think he feels great about it, let's put it that way. But you know Tom, he's not gonna go. He's not gonna Go nuclear.

[Chris Hoadley]

Scorched earth.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. We have zero chance of ever having a show with Time Warner. So we'll go scorched earth on your behalf. Tom might have, there might be some, you know, recompense down the line for this guy. I would have much rather seen Tom do this.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, yeah.

[Brian Green]

Why didn't they approach Tom and say, tom, use your personality, your wit and your charm along with all of your celebrity connections and your bread making skills and your bread making skills. Make some bread, take it out to the world, travel around, visit different places, sit down with somebody and break bread. And even the common, the everyday folk, this is a reason to be upset. And this is the reason why Hollywood is, has such a terrible fucking name for itself. Hollywood and entertainment and infotainment and all this other stuff is because everybody steals everybody else's shit and makes millions off of it and gives zero credit to the person who actually did it. Now I'm not saying that, you know, sitting down with someone and having a meal or breaking bread is a particularly original idea. It's been going on for hundreds of thousands of years. But what I am saying is that Tom has been doing this podcast for multiple years, I think as long as we. And so now it's a well worn idea that is original to Tom. Give Tom the credit. Give Tom the chance. I don't know because I haven't talked to him about this, but I can almost guarantee that Tom would have loved to have a television show on CNN where he traveled around the world bringing his bread and breaking bread with people. So I don't have anything against Tony. I don't know him, but therefore I don't know him. He's not a friend of our show. I know Tom. I've spent at least 90 full minutes with him and he's my best friend. I've had girlfriends that I've known long less time. I will tell you right now that we as the commercial break audience and lovers of Tom Papa and supporters of Breaking Bread need to go and immediately listen to his show, download, show the world that the more people of Breaking Bread, the audio podcast or the YouTube show than love the CNN show. And then I think we should all start commenting on posts for the actual CNN show, Breaking Bread.

[Chris Hoadley]

What about Papa?

[Brian Green]

What about Papa? Where's Tom? Papa, Tony. Fine. Can't Tony have a show? Monk this way or something like that? Monkeying around. It's still monkey bread. Yes.

[Rachel]

Which is.

[Chris Hoadley]

Is sticky and sweet, I think.

[Brian Green]

Monkey bread. Good one, Chrissy Monk and me. I don't know Something. There's some play on words there. Listen. It's also not particularly original to travel around the world tasting the foods of the culture.

[Chris Hoadley]

No, that's been done so much. But I enjoy all the shows that's.

[Brian Green]

Been done by one person and one person only in a way that will never be done again. Anthony fucking Bourdain, the saint. The patron saint of docu series is Anthony Bourdain. Travel, food, food, travel, food, travel, travel, food, travel, food. People, humans, cultures, culture, anything. I don't care what it is. Music, it's. He did it all. Anthony Bourdain was the best that ever lived. And I'm not sure there will ever be another one like him because he was so fucking real.

[Chris Hoadley]

I was.

[Brian Green]

That's it. He was real. He was, he was a guy who lived a million lives before he showed up on tv. And when he showed up on tv, he brought all zeros to that television program every single time. There's not an episode of any of his television shows that I have watched that I don't love. I love them all. I love everything that Anthony Bourdain ever did on tv. I just love it.

[Chris Hoadley]

Even the Layover show, which I wasn't my favorite of all of them.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Chris Hoadley]

But that was still was really good.

[Brian Green]

I don't care. Yeah, I didn't care because it was Anthony Bourdain. And if we're going to spend a day with somebody, let's spend a day with Anthony Bourdain. I mean, what a fucking body of work that guy put together. Gone too soon. So it's not particularly original what they're doing with this Tony Habaloob, but I will tell you this right now, calling it breaking bread is an affront to Tom Papa. And then putting the bread in there as the like linchpin of the show is an affront to Tom Papa, everybody.

[Chris Hoadley]

How is that not purposeful?

[Brian Green]

Of course it is.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I'd love to talk to Tom about this. I know he won't do that because.

[Chris Hoadley]

He'S, he's classy, because he's.

[Brian Green]

Because he's lived a lot longer in the entertainment industry than we have, if we're even in the entertainment industry. I think, I think, I think a lot of people would argue, yeah, the fringes of the entertainment, the not. How about the non entertainment industry? Yes, entertainment minded. The non entertainment industry could be entertainment if it was entertaining.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right?

[Brian Green]

But how could you not as a CNN executive or a content creator or a showrunner, how could you not know about breaking Bread?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. By the time this actually got to production.

[Brian Green]

Correct. It was announced about a year ago. Excuse me, about six months ago, back in May. So it probably been in production for at least a year. Right. As a. Bantering around the idea, figuring out where they're going to go. They probably have canned episodes already by May. When they make the first announcement or give the first look, they know that he has this show because they've fucking googled it at the very least. But then there's at least 12 people at CNN who are like, wait, doesn't Tom Poppa have a show called Breaking Bread? Should we talk to him? Tom's interesting. He gets good. I mean, he gets good guests and has great in depth conversation with him.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, yeah, I love him.

[Brian Green]

I love Tom and I love his show Breaking Bread. I think it's really good. You know, Carrot Top has not been my favorite person throughout history. Yeah, he's just not. No, I don't. I wasn't a fan of his comedy. I thought it was, I agree, very gimmicky and, you know, Gallagher esque and Gallagher fine. It was funny for the first two times you saw it and then, you know, you knew exactly where he was going to go with it. So. Carrot Top was not my favorite. But Carrot Top has started popping up again all around.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, I guess he's ripped as ever.

[Brian Green]

He is buff.

[Chris Hoadley]

Why?

[Brian Green]

I don't know. And he's got permanent eyeliner on. I don't know why. And he's got his hairs all, you know, in weird combinations of ponytails and barrettes and all this other stuff. And sometimes he wears makeup and. Okay, Carrot Top is Carrot Top. Right. We. I don't think we expect anything normal out of Carrot Top. That's his. That's his whole shtick. That's who he is. I don't even think it's a. I actually think it's just who Carrot Top is. But along with being a very strange looking human being, he just wasn't ever the funniest human being to me. But apparently Carrot Top has always been there. He's been in Vegas doing his thing.

[Chris Hoadley]

He's been around for forever.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, he never went away. He just wasn't in the ethos, let's put it that way. He wasn't in the lexicon of pop culture for a long time. But all of a sudden, over the last year or so, I've started to see him pop up on podcasts that everybody knows. Bad friends. Breaking Bread. Joe Rogan. Yeah, he was on Breaking Bread and, and Bert Cast and all these other places. And I will tell you what he went on Breaking Bread. And though I'm not still not going to be turning on Carrot Top comedy anytime soon, I thought to myself, this is a much more interesting character than I ever knew. He has run into some of the most lived. Tom Papa got it out of him. Tom Papa got some really interesting stories out of him. He's lived a lot of life. He's met a lot of people. He's bumped into some of the, you know, most famous comedians and entertainers on.

[Chris Hoadley]

Vegas as long as he has. 20 years, at least.

[Brian Green]

30. Yeah, 35. But Tom Papa had a way with him that was gentle and relaxed, and he got Carrot Top to sit there and open up, and I really appreciated that conversation. No other person on earth I do believe could make Carrot Top as interesting to me as Tom Papa did. And so listen, I'm, I'm. I know that this is the way the world works. Tough titty, said the kitty. You know, I got here first kind of bullshit. But Tom Papa, first of all, where's Tom's agent? Isn't Tom's agent, like, protecting the IP and shit like that?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, I mean, who knows if they trademarked it or whatever.

[Brian Green]

I think it would be hard to trademark a Breaking Bread. You can't trademark the commercial break either. It's. I tried. It's too common. Right? You can. I could copyright everything. But trademarking, like getting an actual trademark, the patent office was like, yeah, that's a pretty common term, commercial break. So I say all this to say that we, as the audience who love and support our Tom Papa, we should go and love and support our Tom.

[Chris Hoadley]

Rise up.

[Brian Green]

Rise up, my friend. If. If there's one thing in the world right now that we should be upset about, it. CNN's Breaking Bread With. With whatever his name is. Tony Haloubi. Yeah, yeah. Halubi Halobe.

[Chris Hoadley]

I don't know.

[Brian Green]

I. I don't know. Sometimes those Jewish names get me.

[Chris Hoadley]

Somebody somewhere.

[Brian Green]

Is Tony Shalhoub?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, I thought it was Shalub, but I guess it's Shalhoub. Yeah, he was good and I like him on the shows, but, I mean, I never really watched Monk too much.

[Brian Green]

But I'm Tony Shalom. This is a show about Bre. Welcome and people. Oh. And how countless combinations of flour and water bring us together. I've heard enough. I've heard enough. It's Tom Papa's show. Yeah, it's Tom Papa's show. Okay, you're going to go talk to the Everyday Joe. I'm. I'm sure you're going to have celebrities in there, too. Tom could talk to the Everyday Joe. He could do that. How many people?

[Chris Hoadley]

Maybe we don't know. Maybe they approached Tom and he said, I. I'm not interested.

[Brian Green]

If I'm reading the reel that he put out correctly, it seems like Tom did not. Did not know, was not approached, was not part of it, had no idea.

[Chris Hoadley]

You got to give. You got to give. Kiss the ring.

[Brian Green]

You got to kiss the first person. Okay. Maybe you say, hey, listen, Tom, Tony's all wrapped up in this idea. You mind if we use the name? Right? Is it okay? Do we have your blessing? And Tom says, you know, run $200,000 worth of free commercials for Breaking Bread, the podcast, and we'll call it. Or have Tony show up at my chair first. Right, right. And we'll break bread together and then I can promote the podcast and then there you go. Right. Or make it a sister pod, whatever the fuck. You get it? God damn cnn. I'm really upset with you. CNN Time Warner. Not that I've ever been happy with you, but I'm really upset with you about this one because it feels personal to me. Anyway, go and make comments on the real. Don't be mean. Don't be like, you know, Tony's a fucking shithead. Don't say stuff like that. Just be like, what about Tom Papa?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, let's just bring up Tom.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And they say, I'm never eating Tony's bread. Not breaking bread with me. Tony, if you come here with your 60 cameras and tens of thousands of dollars worth of promotional dollars for my podcast, you won't be sitting and having bread with me. Quick cut to me and Tony. I love your show. What an original idea. I'm so happy I'm a guest. Tom who.

[Chris Hoadley]

He had something similar.

[Brian Green]

What? I had no idea. Had the guy on twice. Totally forgot the name of his podcast. To be fair, I was doing 12 episodes that day. Who can remember? Who can remember?

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, you are.

[Brian Green]

Oh, God, I do love Tom Papa.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, he's so great.

[Brian Green]

He is a good one. God bless Tom Papa. I hope this all. I hope this falls in your. I hope somehow the tree falls in your direction.

[Chris Hoadley]

You're getting a kit back somehow.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. You know, CNN all of a sudden turns into like. I know they've always had a history with travel and food shows, but now they've got that.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, that was. Anthony Bourdain was on cnn.

[Brian Green]

I think to start, he was on.

[Chris Hoadley]

Travel Channel first Then.

[Brian Green]

Then he went to cnn. Yeah. And then he was on Food Network for a minute. He had something on Food Network. But then he famously hated Food Network for a lot of different reasons. You know, he really disliked that. You know, what's his name with the hairy. What's that?

[Chris Hoadley]

Guy.

[Brian Green]

Ferry. Those two are not friendly with each other. He thought that was the biggest joke in. In television history. And, you know, we've said this many times. Like, Guy Fieri, he gets a lot of hate, including from us here at the show. I mean, we. We make fun of him like his. Him at the Rage against the Machine show, which just seemed counterintuitive, intuitive to me, but. Okay. But the truth is, there's a lot of people who says he. He has done a lot of good.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, that's right.

[Brian Green]

You know, then I've heard he's got certain particular peculiars about certain lifestyles. He doesn't like, you know, certain people with certain lifestyles and stuff like that. And it's like, I. Come on, Guy. You know.

[Chris Hoadley]

The bleach got to your. Take it.

[Brian Green]

Take it to Flavortown. But take it. You're the one with all the flavors. Can't. Can't people also have flavors? Right. Can people also have flavors? I wouldn't pass by. I remember it was Thanksgiving Day, and, you know, on Thanksgiving Day, the Kroger's open from, like, 9 to 11. You know, the grocery stores are open for, like, an hour, so everybody goes there. So it's wild at the Kroger. It's just, like, everybody there. And I'm looking for a particular thing that Assert has sent me to go get. And I got stuck, lost kind of for like, a good 20 minutes in the condiment aisle because Guy Fieri's Flavortown sauces were there, and I was. I knew there was a reel in there somewhere. Like, something funny for social media. I just couldn't figure out what it was. I was taking pictures and videos of the Flavortown sauces at all different angles. And like, me going like this with the Flavortown sauce or the Flavortown sauce throwing.

[Chris Hoadley]

You ate up all your time. And Kroger.

[Brian Green]

No, I broke one of them.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh.

[Brian Green]

Clean up on, indeed. Yeah, well, they were plastic bott. But what happened was, is I threw it up, meant to catch it on the video, and it just went like this, and the top just like.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, yeah. It just popped and went everywhere.

[Brian Green]

It spilled out everywhere. And there was, like, a guy.

[Chris Hoadley]

What flavor was it?

[Brian Green]

I think it was, like, spicy ranch or something. Of course, they're all ranch based. You know what I'm saying? It's like spicy ranch, Lemon pepper ranch, sweet and sour ranch. Jolly Rancher Ranch. Jolly Rancher Ranch. Cool ranch ranch. Yeah, it's all ranch based because that's all people eat these days, ranch dressing. You know, it's a certain. It's a certain flavor for a certain mouth. I love ranch dressing, don't get me wrong. But I know some people who are just like, ranch dressing is their ketchup, and they're like, let me get some rants with that. Sounds so stupid. And so there's a guy at the end of the aisle. Yeah. He saw it filling up the bread or whatever.

[Chris Hoadley]

He was in stock. Sucker.

[Brian Green]

And he was like. He looks at me, and he had been watching me for 20 minutes, and he just goes, don't worry about it.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, I gotcha.

[Brian Green]

Don't worry about it. Yeah. So I left with sweet and sour ranch on my shirt, on my phone, on my glasses.

[Chris Hoadley]

I wish there had been a video of that.

[Brian Green]

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Well, then at the end, I decided that I just wasn't. It wasn't that funny. So I put a picture of it, and I put like, he has risen. Oh, no, it wasn't Thanksgiving. It was Easter. It was Easter.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, that's funny.

[Brian Green]

Easter Day. Yeah. And I'm in there, and they're three hours on, you know.

[Chris Hoadley]

Juggling.

[Brian Green]

Videoing. Yeah, Juggling Ranch.

[Chris Hoadley]

Flavortown.

[Brian Green]

Juggling six different flavors of Flavortown Ranch. All right, well, go listen to Tom. Papa's breaking bread and give him hell, kids. Give CNN's version hell. Let's get Tom the rightful credit he deserves. I bet if enough of us go there and start pissing and moaning, Tom will get a million dollars.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

Or he'll never be on cnn. He'll never be on CNN again. One of those two things will happen. All right, I'm going to give you an update on the Howard Stern draw.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, I saw a little tidbit.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I know it's a week late as this is airing, but you heard it here last, and we'll talk about it. We'll be back.

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[Brian Green]

All right, so it turns out that Howard Stern was punking the media all along. Or at least he was not doing anything to assuage any concerns. He was fueling the fire of the people.

[Chris Hoadley]

That was one of the options I.

[Brian Green]

Did believe that was probably going on. But he returned on the 8th. Thanks, Blue. Keep it going. Yep, keep barking. That's helps the show out. Thank you, Blue. And yet another episode of the commercial break. He was stoking the the PR fire that was going on the rumor mill. The rumor mill was that Stern was done. He was never going to be able to be paid the same amount of money that Sirius was going to let him go, that he was washed up, the numbers were low. And he was in a fight with Alex Cooper. He was in a fight with Andy Cohen. He was in a fight with everybody over at Sirius. And I had explained that this is a well worn path for Stern. Once it comes around to contract negotiation time, he starts deciding he's going to leave. He starts deciding he's unhappy. He starts deciding they're not treating him well. And that's just a contract negotiation opportunity. Yeah, of course it is. And only Stern has that kind of.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well can pull it off.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, because he knows he's a hot commodity and after 50 years in the business or whatever, it is he also understands the ebb and flow. The, the breath, like the breathing rhythm of entertainment is that sometimes you're hot, sometimes you're not. He's been there long enough to understand that it's cyclical. And by poking at the people who he's negotiating with, he can let his agent do the talking, but he can threaten to walking. Right? So, okay, so he's supposed to come back on September 2nd, on my birthday, Tuesday after Labor Day. And on that morning, early that morning, they scratch out on the promotion where unlike the promotional reel where it says, you know, find out what all the fuss is about, will Howard be back? Find out September 2nd, they scratch it out and they put September eight. So essentially he doesn't show up to the studio and he sends an email to the staff. The staff then purposefully start dropping all kind of drama into the media, probably at his request. Right. Tell him I'm unhappy, tell them the contract negotiations are going poorly, tell them I'm, I need to retire, tell them this. And, and all of a sudden from every, every different news outlet in entertainment has a different story and he's stoking the fire, he's generating interest. There are hundreds if not thousands of articles about why Howard didn't come back. Well, it turns out he didn't come back because he had the back to school flu like I did on the same, the very same week.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, there was some kind of medical thing that was cited, right?

[Brian Green]

Yeah, he was sick, right? He was sick. He got a cold and he couldn't talk. You know, just like happened to me a couple weeks ago. You get that sinusy and your voice sounds disconcerting to say the least. But he claims he barely could even talk, which for a day I couldn't either. And so September 8th comes 6 o' clock in the morning, show's supposed to start and Howard does not appear. Andy Cohen appears.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, really?

[Brian Green]

And Andy Cohen spends the first eight minutes between 6 and 6:08 spends eight minutes explaining that Sirius and Andy didn't want it to happen this way, but Howard decided it was best. Howard and Sirius decided it was best just for him not to return and that Andy would be taking over the station. And he said, you know, I always wanted to sit in this chair, I just didn't want it to happen this way. Howard, I hope someday be friends again, you know, blah, blah, blah. He, and he even had his co host of his show in there. So it made it, give it, give it more realistic. And then like five or six entertainment outlets like The Hollywood Reporter, New York Post, and a couple other places quickly started to report that Howard had left. Serious?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Green]

But eight minutes in, Andy's in the middle of talking, and then all of a sudden the Howard Stern intro music plays as if like an episode of the commercial break, you know, the music starts. The music started and Howard was back. And he explained everything that had been going on, which was, I was sick. That's why I had to take the week off. I love it here. I was going to retire. I believe I'm staying. We're working it out, we're figuring it out. So there's been no like signature put on a contract yet, but it sure does sound like from what I listened to that for all tense and purposes, Howard is staying. And he's, they're going to figure out a way to get him to stay, which makes a lot of sense. Listen, I, I thought one of the options could be that, that Howard would just go do a podcast. Because even with, you know, some people are saying that he went from 20 million listeners to 200,000 listeners or a hundred thousand listeners a day. I find that extremely hard to believe. I think it's probably still in the millions. You know, Maybe it's not 20 million, but I bet it's 2 or 3 million. If you had 2 or 3 million people downloading your podcast every time you put out an episode, you would be making hand over fist cash every year. No doubt about it. I think you would probably make 60 or 70 million dollars a year just selling at. And he does a four hour show.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

At least right now he does it three days a week. So if he even kept up that, even that tempo, he'd probably make more like a hundred million dollars a year. Just on ad revenue. That's it. Right. Just on regular ad revenue. And he gets much more because if he reads a commercial, then there's like a $15,000 fee. If I read a commercial, $300 fee. If he reads a commercial, $30,000 fee.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

It's huge. Just for 60 seconds of talk. So this is all to say that Howard is a master media manipulator. He's been doing this for so long and people are like, oh, he just did it.

[WFUCU Board Member]

So we get the ratings when he came back.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, no fucking shit, Sherlock.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, of course he did.

[Brian Green]

That's how it works, you dumb shit. You talk like that's some bad thing. He did it. You got him.

[Chris Hoadley]

You.

[Brian Green]

He's. You're talking about him. He got it. He got you. He got you. To talk about him. That's all he cares about. And during a contract negotiation, that's all he cares about. He. I can promise you Howard Stern has made just at serious, has made about a billion and a half dollars just being at Sirius. And then he. He has probably another half a billion in stock. He's a billionaire. Yeah, I went by his house in Palm Beach. I drove by it, I stopped, I parked on a street, I walked by it. I saw Beth on a bike, his wife on a bike. I will tell you right now, that guy don't give a if 20 million people are listening or 100, 000 people are listening. Might bruise his ego a little bit, but he didn't give a. He doesn't need the money. He does this because he loves the sport. It's for the love of the game that Howard continues to do this. He invented, basically what we're doing right now. Long format talk radio, long format comedy chat, cast type radio, podcasting, vodcasting video, all this shit. All of us are just imitators of what he did originally. And so we all owe him a little bit of debt of gratitude. Whether you like his politics or not or what do you think he got soft or not listening. I gotta say this, I'm not defending Howard's. The days when Howard was bringing in strippers to ride the Sibian and having, you know, ugly tit contests and all this other stuff, it sure does look bad now. It didn't age well, let's put it that way. But it was a different. Things were different back then. Everything eventually will be cancellable. Like Patton Oswald said, someday. You got to be careful when you start getting high on your horse about the cancel culture, because eventually you'll say something that'll be cancelable. Someday you might be in the future. This is Patton's joke. Someday in the future, you know, people might be like, oh, Patton, you've always been woke and you've always been, you know, liberal. And you're always, you know, fighting for the good fight and equality and all this. And then Patton says, yeah, and what do you think about, you know, people who AI robots? Ah, AI robot. You know, that's so stupid. Why would you do that? And then 10 years later, all of a sudden, we have feelings for the robots and we. And we should have treated them better. Right? They needed equality too. Some things are pretty obvious, like females and people who don't, you know, people who love who they want to love and all that other stuff. But some things, other things at the Time. It might just seem like you're just going with the flow. I'm not defending any of that. But can you fault somebody for maturing along the way? Can you fault somebody.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think it's needed.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Can you fault somebody for deciding.

[Chris Hoadley]

I applaud that.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, agreed. Can you fault somebody for, like, deciding that having a. Like a pommel horse with a vibrator on it in the middle of your studio and trying to encourage all your guests to ride it nude is maybe not something you want to do anymore because you have daughters or, you know, women. I mean, he matured, he got. But he just. He decided that this. He needed to evolve.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. You have to.

[Brian Green]

Because if he was still doing that stuff today, he would have an audience. No doubt about it. He would have an audience. But maybe that's not the audience he wanted. Maybe that's not what he wanted to talk about anymore. Maybe he decided that what he did back then just wasn't acceptable, and he's realized it, and so he's moved on. So you can. You can hate on Howard for his politics. You know, that seems to be the sport of the day. Hate on each other for politics. But I don't hate on him for evolving. I just don't. Yeah. And he's still one of the most interesting interviewers around.

[Chris Hoadley]

He's really good.

[Brian Green]

Yes. You look at Bill Maher interviewing Billy Joel, and then you look at Howard Stern interviewing Billy Joel. I'll take Howard every day of the week. Bill Maher looked like a. I don't know.

[Chris Hoadley]

I didn't even watch that.

[Brian Green]

Such a goober. Yeah, like such a goober.

[Chris Hoadley]

He's not my favorite.

[Brian Green]

I'd like.

[Chris Hoadley]

He never has been, but I've never been, like, a huge fan. Like, I had to watch the show. I've tried a few times, just not my thing.

[Brian Green]

I think that Bill can come off a little swarmy, you know what I'm saying? He feels a little bit like.

[Chris Hoadley]

I get the arrogance.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I don't think he's had that love of a woman for a long time. He's like, had like a. Or. Or a man, like a, Like a long term relationship to soften him up a little bit. So I think he always. He's like. He's like the Bachelor at 62 years old. You know what I'm saying? He's like. I don't know, he's like a mix of Lee Iacocca and. Who's that guy who ran. Yeah, Lee Iacocca. That, like, you know, bastard. The guy who Ran GE for a long time. You remember that guy? Lee Iacocca and. Lee Iacocca and Hugh Hefner. He's like a mix of those two, but he's like, a little smarmy a little bit. But I think Bill is whip smart. I think he's right about a lot of stuff. I think he calls it out like he sees it, but I think it was. Maybe it was Marc Maron who said this, and I agreed with it. I thought it was a good way to put it. And sometimes I feel like Bill is trying a little too hard to be relevant. Right. And. And so therefore, he. He, like, jumps into the fray and pushes buttons when maybe that's just not. Maybe that's not necessary. He can make a point without sometimes going there. But I like Bill. I mean, but then again, I will say I have watched lots of episodes of Bill's show where I'm highly entertained. It's mainly by the guests, but I'm highly entertained. And I will say this about Bill, too. I don't agree with him going and having dinner with Trump. I think that was a dumb fucking thing to do. I don't think you give. I don't think you give any. Any air to that situation whatsoever. But on his show, he all. He does not shy away from inviting opposing voices.

[Chris Hoadley]

No, that's his whole show.

[Brian Green]

That's his whole shtick. Well, it's not his whole stick, but, you know, a lot of times he has people on that that agree with him, but he invites people that don't agree.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

And I think that there is more of that needed. What I don't agree with is going and kissing the ring. I just don't think you do that. That part. I don't agree.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You know what I'm saying? He should have had Trump on the show. If he would have Trump on the show, then, like, you know, and been as confrontational as he gets with some of this.

[Chris Hoadley]

Who was it that set it up? Kid Rock.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, Kid Rock.

[Chris Hoadley]

What?

[Brian Green]

I mean, come on, guys, can we all just. Shit. Can we all just like. Like, tell each other a secret? Kid Rock sucks.

[Chris Hoadley]

He always has.

[Brian Green]

Okay. All right. Bow with a bob was cool. It was cool when it came out.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Bow with a bod bang to bang Diddy Diddy. But give me back up a doo papa Diddy Diddy. Okay, cool. Garbage, gobbledygook. Got it.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. I liked him back in the day. Maybe not him as a person, but I liked the music back in the day, but that quickly wore off. And then now look where we're at with him.

[Brian Green]

He has turned into. Yeah, just a weird dude. Like, just. Yeah, he's like an old man, you know, he's like your neighbor that, like, you know, does weird stuff with his shirt off. You know what I'm saying? You know?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Like he drinks beer and smokes cigarettes and he telling you about UFOs. Kind of like Brian, his shirt off and a beer and a cowboy hat. And he tells you about that girl he one time fucked and you know, wants to come to the Halloween party for the kids, but you don't want to invite him because you're afraid. And you know, he's like that guy. He's like. He's just a little weird. He's like the outer spacey dude. Dude.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And he's. Every time I. And I don't see Kid Rocket showing up anywhere except for like, you know, charity events in Iowa or something like.

[Chris Hoadley]

That, I saw him show up with him.

[Brian Green]

He was at like a. He went to a Nashville bar. Well, yeah, I think he owns a Nashville.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think so too, but he was.

[Brian Green]

At some Nashville bar. I'm not sure it was his or what it was, but he goes out there and he starts, you know, singing his bow and about a bang to bang, diggity diggy. And no one's singing along with him, so he throws down the microphone.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, yeah, you.

[Brian Green]

Fuck you. I'm out of here. I mean, come on, man. Listen, it got a little old. People don't want to sing it with you anymore. It's okay. Come up with a new song that doesn't have to do with, you know, shooting Bud Light cans in the backyard.

[Chris Hoadley]

What was that one song that we actually played on the show?

[Brian Green]

Oh, it was. It was like America.

[Chris Hoadley]

It was so bad.

[Brian Green]

America.

[Chris Hoadley]

It was really bad.

[Brian Green]

America. So cool. What was that song? It was terrible.

[Chris Hoadley]

It was awful.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I mean, I.

[Chris Hoadley]

It was about masks and stuff. Something like that.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Isn't the heyday of Corona.

[Brian Green]

It was in the heyday of. You're right about that. Here's Kid.

[Chris Hoadley]

The lyrics were terrible.

[Brian Green]

The Wichita Experience. How to. Don't Tell Me how to Live. That's right.

[Chris Hoadley]

Don't Tell Me how to Live.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Yeah, it's terrible. Same song. Yeah, he's been singing the same song for a long time. And the other songs that he has are like covers of other people's songs. You know what I'm saying? Like, the other famous things are covers. I don't want to. On everything that. That, that. That people who vote for a certain ideology. Like, there's lots of stuff that I like that they like. Right. But Kid Rock is not one of them. This is not one of them. I'm sorry. It's just not. It's. It's not my thing. And, you know, you say you got to hang up the fur at some point. You know, Remember how angry he got a Bud Light? Like trans cans. Trans cans shoot him up in my backyard. Trans can. And then like six months later, he's in the Bud Light commercial.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Like, no balls whatsoever. Pay for play. Bullshit. I mean, he never cared in the first place. He jumped on the bandwagon. Fuck that bullshit. Fuck that bullshit.

[Chris Hoadley]

Sorry, I sent you off on a tangent about Kid Rock, but can we please for a minute discuss the revealing, the revelation that I sent you earlier today about a brand new Broadway musical.

[Brian Green]

That'S coming to town. Oh, my God. Can we please. Can we please. While we're on the subject of washed up has beens. Yes. While you're listening to a show from a bunch of washed up has beens, let's talk about the washed up of washed up has beens. And I can't believe we're still talking about this guy.

[Chris Hoadley]

No.

[Brian Green]

But here we are, five years later, still. Still in the lexicon. Still trying to make a name for himself, peter. Billy fucking McFarland or whatever his name is. Is it Billy McFarland? Right, yeah. Billy McFarland of Fyre Fest fame or infamy.

[Chris Hoadley]

Infamy.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I cannot believe.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, because he sold the IP, right?

[Brian Green]

He sold the IP.

[Chris Hoadley]

Okay, so he sold the IP for.

[Brian Green]

Like $153,000 or something.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. And then. I know I sent that to you.

[Brian Green]

Let's see.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, here it is.

[Brian Green]

Fire. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. It was in the Hollywood Reporter. But yeah. Musical and development with Taika Wadiki.

[Brian Green]

Taika Watigi.

[Chris Hoadley]

Why would anybody want to watch a.

[Brian Green]

Musical about Fyre Fest? Yes.

[Chris Hoadley]

Why?

[Brian Green]

The final bidding price on ebay. He sold it on ebay.

[Chris Hoadley]

Ebay?

[Brian Green]

He sold his company IP on eBay. He wanted to be the highest auction, like, the most expensive auction ever in ebay history. And he sold for a mind blowing $243,000 and $245,300.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Chris Hoadley]

So it looks. It looks like it's about his life.

[Brian Green]

Oh, but why do we care?

[Chris Hoadley]

I don't. And I don't want to watch a musical.

[Brian Green]

Yes. And what is the IP that we are selling? Failed music festivals. He never even. There's no recordings of the festival because it didn't happen. He claims.

[Chris Hoadley]

He claims now he, you know, defrauded people out of money.

[Brian Green]

Exactly.

[Chris Hoadley]

I don't think has been paid back yet to the people on that island.

[Brian Green]

No, and. Okay, let's take a break. But, and I want to talk more about this.

[Chris Hoadley]

The musical.

[Brian Green]

Yes, but also the. All the thing, the thing that people paid for when they. When they spent $245,000 on the IP. The thing that they paid for was all of the footage from the six camera people that were running around him for the year that he was trying to put together Fyre Fest 2. But in my mind it wasn't even a year. It was like three months. He announced it, it was going to happen. I kept getting pushed back. It never happened happen. He didn't even bother to show up to any of the meetings because legally he couldn't. I know, but this last weekend, as you're listening to this, he put on his very first pop up hotel down in the. Down in some island on Honduras, the Utica or Ucha or something like that. A pop up hotel at a resort. The resort already exists. I mean, honestly, I know that the pop up everything is very famous and people love their pop up restaurants and.

[Chris Hoadley]

All of a sudden that's about the only thing it truly works with.

[Brian Green]

But I'm not even sure it works there. It's already a restaurant, right? You're just having a new chef, make a new menu. Why don't we just call it a pop up menu? It just popped up today and it's gone tomorrow. The reality is you can't have a pop up hotel in a hotel that already exists. And by all accounts, meaning social media that Billy put out. You know the best version of everything that happened? What happened was one party with 15 people in attendance in a shack in the side of the resort where one old white guy dressed like Kid Rock was dancing to a DJ who literally brought his Sonos and plugged it in. Oh, and then there were the two apparently bikini models that came with and took lots of footage of themselves in bikinis. Yes, he is such.

[Chris Hoadley]

Is he there?

[Brian Green]

He was. I don't know how he got down there. I thought he was legally like obligated to stay in New York because of his ankle monitor. But I don't know, maybe. Maybe he got special permission. I'm not sure, but I'll share this with you. Never have I seen anyone try so fucking hard. I mean, honestly, I think Billy might be autistic if you ask me. I just don't think he's understanding how bad this looks because you should see his reels. He just doesn't care. He just doesn't care that he looks like such an idiot. But okay, let's take a break and we'll talk more about Billy and it's party.

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[Brian Green]

Be brief.

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[Brian Green]

Rita Ora is going to attach her name to this.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, saw that.

[Brian Green]

Okay. All right. Back to the Pop Up Hotel. Here he is. Here he is. Listen to this. Wait. Come on. I just. Fire. Hey, guys. David, what happens when you sell your dream? You can either disappear or. Well, we're about to find out. We're all waiting on bated breath for your exciting reel. Well, we're about to find out what happens when you sell your dream for $245,000. You owe $22 million in restitution. You can't just disappear. That's not you money. That's not even live for. Your money just sold. Fire. Oh, my God.

[Chris Hoadley]

Can I take a selfie?

[Brian Green]

Yeah, real quick. I'm filming. You don't have a phone. Oh, my God. Literally, I just. Oh, my God. I didn't plant you there to say that. Oh, my God. Festival. And now I'm rising from the ashes. And if I do this right.

[Chris Hoadley]

Are people chasing him?

[Brian Green]

They're chasing him and this guy is saying, him, him. Who cares? He's a scam artist. Bigger. I want own every single view on the Internet. I've been chasing one idea for my whole life. The idea that views drive economy. My last brand hit 32 billion views. Was the top of Netflix and other international news. But I was still.

[Chris Hoadley]

Because it was a failure.

[Brian Green]

It was a failure economy. What do you. Who are you, Mark Duckerberg? I mean, honestly, Drew, views drive the economy. They don't drive the economy. There's lots of stuff that drives the economy. Views are not one of them. Views drive revenue in an economy called the creator economy. You're seeing idiots. Okay, here he is at his Utila at the Phoenix Hotel. Pop up here on Water Key. Live from Utila. Live from Utila. He shows a shot of six people I know on a beach. Those people don't even. Those people couldn't even be there. I mean, it's just. It's just insane. He's just insane. He is literally an insane human being. And why Billy, I would have thought after Fyre Fest 1 there would have been an. I've Said this a million times. There would have been an opportunity to get with some real, yes, festival music heavyweights and say I come on bended knee. I don't know. I. It all up. But fire now has a name for itself. And if you help me, I. I will humbly give you the name and take a small fee, right. A hundred thousand dollars or whatever. I'll give you the name and let's do this the right way and get some backers behind you and get some real people involved. But instead, he went the same exact route that he did. Getting a bunch of local yokel nobodies together for Fyre Fest 2 where they didn't even know it was going to happen. Where all three places he announced Fyre Fest 2 had no idea that it was coming to their town. No, he is literally insane.

[Chris Hoadley]

He doesn't understand, like the middle of the ocean too, or something.

[Brian Green]

The very first longitude latitude that he sent when he put the big announcement that Fyre Fest 2 was happening. Artists signed. It's, you know, tickets coming next week. Coming next. Yeah, Tomorrow. Tomorrow in Mexico. Be there. Only 65,000 tickets available. He put the longitude latitude.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And people found out it was like 16 miles out in the ocean away from any land. It sounds about right for Fire Fest. Billy and, And I have told this story. I'll. I'll give you the short version because I don't think I need repeat it yet again. But this is. It's really weird because somebody that worked for Billy reached out to me to ask me if I would have Billy on the show. I remember when that happened and I almost fell for it. Almost. He was going to announce Fyre Fest 2. He was going to this, he was going to. That it would all be exclusively. And then they invited me to come to Fyre Fest regional or some shit up in New York. Fyre Fest, fire. I don't know what it was. Some. Some Fyre Fest tech or something up in New York. And I could have it and I could get there and I could be there with all Access success for 5,000.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right. If you paid.

[Brian Green]

Right. And once I went there, then Billy would come on the show for his announcement. So Billy was trying to scam me out of $5,000 and now you're saying to yourself, well, it could have just been someone associated with Billy. Could have been. Except I was cc'd and emailed by Billy or an email that I would assume would have been Billy's. And yeah, the guy is just a scam artist. He doesn't know how to do it the right way. And, you know, I hope that everyone gets their money back. I think if you didn't, if you didn't die at Fyre Fest 1, that should be restitution enough. Yeah, that's payment enough. But it's just crazy to me that this guy is still. He's like a cockroach. He just does not fucking die.

[Chris Hoadley]

No.

[Brian Green]

And I mean actually dead. I don't want the guy.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, no, no.

[Brian Green]

But, you know, I don't dislike. I don't like the. I dislike the ideas that Billy has. Yeah, cool festival on the beach. You know, all that. But it just would have been another burning man out on a beach. That's all it would have been.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of beach festival things around the world. They've been doing it in Ibiza forever.

[Brian Green]

I mean, Ibiza does it Tuesday nights.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, Tuesday night.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that's right. You want to go down to a beach and listen to some music and have some fun. Fish does it for like four nights every year. Mayan Riviera, plenty of these things.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, yeah. He just. Just totally scammed everybody.

[Brian Green]

Speaking of fish, Fish is here tomorrow night. Wednesday night. Yeah, here, right. I mean, like, I. I don't want to say, but relatively close to where I am. They're going to be here, so, you know, get out your Galaxy gas noodle on down there. I would love to go, I really would, but tickets are expensive. They always are. You know, unless you get them in the lottery or in the. When you buy them, then they're like $300 a piece. And, And I, and I understand why, you know, Fish is not playing 300 nights a year anymore. And so they do.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think 100 tickets are expensive now. We've talked about that.

[Brian Green]

They really are. And then you, you know, my brother has some. And while I would love to go, there's also not only the cost of the ticket, but then, you know, the cost of whatever it is to do it. So by the time you end up. It's all said and done, it's 500 bucks.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

To go see fish. I could, if I really wanted to see fish, I could pay 9.99 and watch the show online.

[Chris Hoadley]

There you go.

[Brian Green]

There you go. Not quite the same. Not quite the same vibe when you're watching from your computer screen or your phone laying next to your 6 year old. She's trying to go to sleep, but, you know, kind of.

[Chris Hoadley]

Kind of not the same vibe.

[Brian Green]

You're babysitting one way or the other. Same vibe. Well, actually, you're looking through a phone screen babysitting some chick who can't take care of herself. It's the same thing. Let's be honest about it. It. You're drunk, babysitting some chick can't take care of herself, watching the entire show through somebody else's phone screen. That's the concert experience these days.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

But I do like a fish show. I do. I. I have been to a few and I like it. I took Astrid to one.

[Chris Hoadley]

That's right.

[Brian Green]

She couldn't take the smell.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think that's funny.

[Brian Green]

She was like, I don't know what the smell is, but it's just too much. And I was like, oh, that's weed, and you're getting high.

[Chris Hoadley]

Weed and patchouli.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, weed and patchouli. All right, well, listen, everyone have a good weekend. But next week, I'll tell you my story about the cacao ceremony.

[Chris Hoadley]

I can't wait.

[Brian Green]

Mayan cacao ceremony. Yes. I'm still trying to figure it all out in my brain.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I'm so piece the night together.

[Chris Hoadley]

Speaking of Guatemala.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, speaking of Guatemala. Well, that was Honduras.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, Honduras.

[Brian Green]

Okay. But close. They're close together. Yeah. I got a Guatemalan priestess high. Pre. Mayan priestess. High being the underlying word. And then we all did the cacao ceremony. It was good. It was. It was beautiful. It was fun. It was all the things that I rail about. Speaking of fire, you had your own fire festival. Get yourself Mayan priestess and get onto your backyard.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, that Billy.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. If Billy would just do that, then I'd be game. Billy said Mayan fire priestess and fish right down on some random island. I'd be there in a heartbeat. I'd be all about it.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

All right, well, I know we railed against Kid Rock and Trump and. I'm sorry. Sorry, not sorry. Actually, yeah. I don't know. I just. It'd take a lot of really good music coming toward the end of his career here to get to convince me that Kid Rock was a musician.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think he's turned.

[Brian Green]

You think so?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Oh, that's sad. I was really hoping Kid Rock would be the next Bob Dylan of our time. Yeah. Bow Itaba started off. It started off so strong with Gobbly Gook. I hoped it was gonna end with Gobbly Gook too, but no. No. Thank you. All right, listen, do this. Go to 2 1, 2. Go to tcbpodcast.com. get your free sticker by hitting the Contact Us button. Drop down menu says, I want my free sticker. Give us your address, we'll send you one. No must, no fuss. You can also watch all the audio and the video right there on the website at the commercial commercial break on Instagram TCB podcast on Tick Tock or watch all of the [e-mail] the commercial break for all the episodes visually the same day they come out here on the audio channels and 212-4333 TCB. If you want to chat with us, we'd love to hear from you. Questions, comments, concerns, content, ideas. Okay Chrissy, that's all I can do for today. I think so I'll tell you that I love you.

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