Everyone Hide!! Bryan's Mom Knows!

Summary

Podcast Title: The Commercial Break
Episode Title: Everyone Hide!! Bryan's Mom Knows!
Release Date: April 11, 2025
Hosts: Bryan Green and Krissy Joy Hoadley

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Episode Overview

In the "Everyone Hide!! Bryan's Mom Knows!" episode of The Commercial Break, hosts Bryan Green and Krissy Joy Hoadley delve into the unexpected repercussions of Bryan’s mother discovering their podcast. The episode blends personal anecdotes, humorous banter, and a critical examination of the pickup artist community through an interview with guest Adam Lyons. True to their improv-comedy roots, Bryan and Krissy navigate the chaos with their signature unpolished charm, offering listeners both laughs and insights into the dynamics of running a niche podcast.

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Bryan’s Mom Discovers the Podcast

[02:06 – 07:26]

Bryan kicks off the episode by sharing the amusing yet challenging situation of his mother and her friends at the senior citizens' home stumbling upon The Commercial Break podcast.

Bryan Green (02:11): "I meet other dads and they're like, you know, yeah, I own a bike shop or yeah, you know, I'm in the elevator business or whatever they do. And I'm like, oh, okay, that's great."

Bryan expresses his discomfort with having to explain the podcast to his mom, highlighting the contrast between their irreverent show and the more conventional conversations he encounters with other fathers.

Bryan Green (05:07): "Within a mile radius, I'm pretty sure we're the top podcast in your area. Yes, Mom. She's so clueless."

Krissy adds to the humor by empathizing with Bryan’s predicament, emphasizing the generational gap and the unexpected audience growth.

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Balancing Podcast Life with Normalcy

[07:26 – 14:13]

The hosts reflect on the challenges of maintaining their podcast amidst personal lives and societal expectations. Bryan muses about wishing for a "normal job," contrasting it with the unique lifestyle of podcasters.

Bryan Green (07:46): "The Commercial Break is not a normal job and. No, no, no, no, it's not a normal job. That's how it should be described."

Krissy reinforces this sentiment, highlighting the unconventional path they've chosen and the dedication it requires.

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Listener Interaction: Kylan’s Text

[22:57 – 24:42]

Bryan shares a humorous interaction with a young listener named Kylan, who reached out via text seeking more content on topics like "Mountain Monsters" and pickup artists ("Frankie B.").

Bryan Green (22:59): "Kylan says, pick up artist. Mountain monsters or Frankie B. Well, there's no more Frankie B. I haven't found any new Frankie B."

This segment showcases the hosts' engagement with their audience, blending genuine responses with playful banter.

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Guest Segment: Adam Lyons on Pickup Artistry

[33:36 – 73:27]

The episode transitions to a guest interview with Adam Lyons, a self-proclaimed pickup artist and dating coach. Adam shares his tumultuous journey within the pickup artist (PUA) community, discussing his rise, fall, and transformation into a relationship coach.

Adam’s Journey and Critique of PUA Community

Adam recounts his early days in the PUA scene, influenced by influential figures like Neil Strauss, and his eventual disillusionment with the superficial aspects of the community.

Adam Lyons (35:35): "I started sword fighting again, so I've been doing my live action role playing."

He speaks candidly about the emptiness he felt despite apparent success, leading to his pivot towards helping others build meaningful relationships rather than pursuing fleeting encounters.

Adam Lyons (43:30): "The turning point... was really when I realized that I wanted just one goal and I wanted to settle down."

Hosts’ Critical Take on Adam’s Narrative

Bryan and Krissy engage in a mix of skepticism and humor as they dissect Adam's claims, questioning the authenticity and effectiveness of his methods.

Bryan Green (51:22): "I think you got a skewed definition of what the truth is."

Their playful skepticism underscores a recurring theme in the podcast: balancing irreverent humor with sincere discussions.

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Closing Remarks and Upcoming Events

[74:05 – 76:12]

In the episode’s conclusion, Bryan and Krissy announce their upcoming "12 Hours of TCB" marathon, promising non-stop episodes and live recordings. They encourage listeners to stay tuned for more content and interact with the show through various platforms.

Bryan Green (76:02): "Stay tuned. 12 hours of TCB."

Krissy wraps up the episode with her trademark energy, inviting listeners to engage on social media and partake in the community they've built.

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Notable Quotes

• Bryan Green (05:07): "Within a mile radius, I'm pretty sure we're the top podcast in your area. Yes, Mom. She's so clueless."

• Adam Lyons (43:30): "The turning point... was really when I realized that I wanted just one goal and I wanted to settle down."

• Bryan Green (51:22): "I think you got a skewed definition of what the truth is."

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Insights and Themes

• Generational Gaps in Media Consumption: The episode highlights the unexpected ways different generations engage with contemporary media, as seen through Bryan’s mother discovering the podcast.

• Balancing Personal and Professional Life: Bryan and Krissy explore the tension between maintaining their podcasting careers and seeking conventional stability, a common theme for content creators.

• Critical Examination of the PUA Community: Through Adam Lyons’ interview, the hosts critically assess the pickup artist scene, questioning its validity and impact on genuine relationships.

• Engagement with Audience: The interaction with listener Kylan underscores the importance of audience engagement and the unpredictable nature of podcasting reach.

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Conclusion

"Everyone Hide!! Bryan's Mom Knows!" offers a blend of personal storytelling, comedic banter, and thoughtful critique of niche communities. Bryan and Krissy adeptly navigate the complexities of podcasting life, all while maintaining their unique and entertaining style. This episode serves as both a humorous take on unexpected audience growth and a reflective look at the hosts' impact on and relationship with their listeners.

Transcript

[Brian Green]

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[Chris Joy Hoadley]

He has issues, he has problems, he's.

[Brian Green]

A cheater, and he's scandalous.

[Chris Joy Hoadley]

And I hope he goes to prison.

[Brian Green]

In jail, because he deserves it. On this episode of the commercial break. You know, there's probably a few whiz bangers in there that were like, yeah, I agree with you, Brian. But I would imagine most people are not that way. You know, those people are long since gone. Those people have died. They died in the 80s. So yet another place I have to go and explain myself. And that doesn't always feel good. Sometimes I do wish I had a normal job or I just didn't have to explain myself. I meet other dads and they're like, you know, yeah, I own a bike shop or yeah, you know, I'm in the elevator business or whatever they do. And I'm like, oh, okay, that's great. Tell me more about it so I can pretend like I do that next time I meet somebody. The next episode of the commercial break starts now. 2:30 in the morning. Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Chris Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Chris. Best to you, Brian. Best you out there in the podcast universe, how the hell are you? Including my mother who now listens to the show, apparently.

[Rachel]

That's right.

[Brian Green]

If you're listening closely to the commercial break, then you will know that my mom and her friends around the senior citizens home table have discovered a way to listen to the commercial break. They've found it. They also, after five years, yes. They discover someone was young enough at the table to know what a podcast was. Either that or they listened to a lot of Fox news on podcasts. One of the two, my mom left Astrid a message which was embedded into the beginning of the show. The clips that we do, the bits at the beginning, that was that I cut up and embedded into the show where my mom explained to Astrid that the girls at the table had been wondering for a while how they, where, where was the show? How could they find it? Where was it? And so even though I've never given my mom the name of the. I mean, she must know the commercial breaks and aim because the kids even say it. But I've never given her any directions on how to find it because quite frankly, I don't need her to find it. Right? I don't need my mom to listen to the show. I can tell her what we're doing. I don't need her to listen to the show. Hi, Brian, it's your mom. Hi, mom. What you doing? Oh, just sitting around staring at your show. I'm trying to tune it in on the radio. Okay. Mom, talk to you later. Bye. Call you five minutes from now for no reason. Okay, mom, talk to you later. She told Astrid that the girls at the table had been wondering how they found the show, how would they listen to the show? And then they Googled my name and found it. And then my mom leaves in the message that they also found out that we were the top podcast in our area. That's how my mom said it. They also discovered that Brian's the top podcast in his area. In my area. Yeah, I am. I am the top podcast in my area. No shit.

[Rachel]

I'm sure that's a Starbucks. You are.

[Brian Green]

Hey, listen, within a mile radius, I'm pretty sure we're the top podcast. Top podcast in your area. Yes, Mom. She's so clueless. And then she said that the girls were gonna get together that night and listen to the podcast. And I have not heard from my mother. That tracks for clarity. My mom calls every 15 minutes. I have to purposefully mute my phone because I know my mother's gonna call. I know she is during the show while we record. So I don't know what to tell you kids. My mom's on to. So I guess we.

[Rachel]

That's not for everyone.

[Brian Green]

I guess we all have to cut out the cussing now to settle down. I feel like I'm a teenager and I've been busted in the basement whacking off, and now I gotta. I gotta calm it down a little bit. So. Funny thing is, they say they're gonna get together that night and listen to the show. And it's the show that we did about studs.

[Rachel]

Oh, right. Okay.

[Brian Green]

And the preview clip that was cut. You know, the. You know, coming up on this episode of the commercial break, then there's a preview clip, 30 to 45 seconds of the show that we find interesting that we put in there. And the clip is me making fun of the guy saying, we did San Diego. And I go, what is doing San Diego? What does that mean? You jizzed up against the wall. Give me 50 bucks and I'll fuck you. So within 30 seconds of hearing the show, my mom. My mom probably was like, oh, that's not him. Turn it on.

[Rachel]

Right, Exactly.

[Brian Green]

Not my Brian. He wouldn't talk like that. Oh, it's all just. I was lamenting the people at Starbucks knowing about the commercial break, the people at school knowing about the commercial break. Now my mom and her friends knowing how to get the commercial break. I mean, we're far from famous, kids. Don't. Don't let Any chart appearances or big numbers? Big number. Over 40 downloads. Don't let me. Don't let anything fool you. We don't get noticed on the street. No one's knocking down our door to do anything. I think the only other famous person who's ever done anything remotely nice for us was Ari Shafir, and I think he did that because he felt bad for us.

[Rachel]

Probably.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. So. But I'm sharing that. I feel a little bit cornered. Like, the commercial break is not a normal job and. No, no, no, no, it's not a normal job. As a matter of fact, it's a job that keeps you from getting a normal job. That's how it should be described.

[Rachel]

That is so true.

[Brian Green]

I don't know why I think everything's so funny today, but I do. And. And the. The fact that I like. There's not a lot of safe places where people just assume I have some normal job. I mean, I. Starbucks now. They desperately want to ask me about the content of today's show, but I. I just keep, like, avoiding eye contact.

[Rachel]

Yeah, I would.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I do. Because I don't want. You know, I don't. I'm sorry I said the guy. Just against the. I mean, what do you want me to say? I. I'm sure not everybody agrees with the content that we're putting out there. It's not for everybody. It's not for everybody. We're student podcasters, Chrissy. That's what we are. Student.

[Rachel]

Please be patient.

[Brian Green]

Please be patient. But now my mom knows that's a whole different road to hoe there. Because now I'm gonna have to explain to her and her. I know I go there sometimes. When we go. There's like a. There's like a big dining room. When you walk into these places, as they have. This is a cruise ship on land is basically what it is. And they have a dining room like every cruise ship does. And they get together for three times a day to sit at an assigned table, or not necessarily assigned tables, but they tend to.

[Rachel]

They have their tables. Yeah, it's like high school table.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. They group together and time. My mom moves a lot because I think people get annoyed or she gets annoyed. She gets annoyed easy. So she moves from table to table. And so when we go over to my mom's, she's got a very small apartment because she doesn't need a lot. And I don't like the kids, all 16 kids, to be up there because they just cause drama.

[Rachel]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Green]

My mom doesn't give a Shit. I give a shit. There's just a lot of stuff up there that I don't need. She's got medication. There's like a lot of shit. That's not. Childhood friend.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And so when we get together, I often say let's do a meal. And she can rent the private dining room which is off the main dining room. Just imagine like your dining room at your house or we're at your grandma's house or your parents house. It's like a 15 foot by 10 foot room with a big table and you just sit there renting it means it's yours for the hour. Yeah, you reserve. And so my mom often reserves this and then we'll go over and there's plenty of chairs, everyone can have fun, they can run around. But every time we go there, it's showtime at the Apollo. Because the kids are the youngest things these people have seen in like six days. And they're very excited by the youthfulness of the whole situation. And I can understand that because I, I am excited by the youthfulness of the situation often. Sometimes too. The energy is infectious. The kids are cute. We often doll, you know, Astrid. I say we Astrid dolls them up in nice clothing and they're presentable and they'll say hello and they'll twirl around. So they're like little. This entertainment for the, for the show they put on as we walk. Yes. As we walk the 150ft through the dining room where we have to be stopped by every person who think the kids are cute. And that's every person at every table except for a few ornery ones. You know, there's some orange people now. I would imagine that I'm going to get the side eye from everybody and we're going to be shunned like pariahs. We're going to be like lepers in Jesus's time, you know, just shunned. Shunned because most people my age don't like the commercial break. They think it's too much for them. Imagine what these 80 year olds are thinking. It's too much for them. They're not even going to understand half the words we're saying, let alone be okay with me talking about coming and pissing and jizzing and I'm sorry, if you're eating breakfast, I apologize. I'm just gonna get all the three days staying up for three days. I mean, you know, there's probably a few whiz bangers in there that were like, yeah, I agree with you, Brian. But I would imagine most people are not that way. You know, those people are long since gone. Those people have died. They died in the 80s. So yet another place I have to go and explain myself. And that doesn't always feel good. Sometimes I do wish I had a normal job or I just didn't have to explain myself. I meet other dads and they're like, you know, yeah, I own a bike shop. Or, yeah, you know, I'm in the elevator business or whatever they do. And I'm like, oh, okay, that's great. Tell me more about it. So I can pretend like I do that next time I need somebody give me enough information so I can pretend.

[Rachel]

The whole, like, summary of what that entails.

[Brian Green]

Yes, Chrissy, that's exactly what I want to do. Yeah. I tell you what my dream job is. My dream job. Drew Carey's job.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Ryan C. Crest's job. Who's the Elizabeth Banks job? That's my dream job, honestly. Million dollars a year, plenty of money in my pocket, feed the kids. I don't know if I'll be able to send them to college for that, but, you know, I'll be able to feed them, house them, live comfortably, drive for a car with four wheels and a whole hood, you know, all the accoutrements that go along with being comfortable. It seems like we might need $1 million a year just to live these days, but. And get to go into the studio, work, like, maybe 100 days a year. Maybe 100 days a year, knock out a couple episodes of Price is Right or whatever it is and mosey on with life. Because I guarantee, and I know this for a fact, that Drew Carey doesn't get harangued by Thrones of adoring fans. Have you ever seen anyone. Have you ever met anyone that's like, oh, my God, Drew Carey. I. If I could just meet Drew Carey.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

No. No one says that he's the guy from the Price is Right and that show that one time was popular.

[Rachel]

Whose line is It Anyway?

[Brian Green]

Whose Line is it Anyway? That's right. Very talented guy. Very. Seems very affable. I've met him. He has breakfast at the same diner every morning. I told you this. I met him at a diner. Mel's Diner, I think is what it's called. Up in the hills of, you know, Hollywood Hills or whatever it is. He has breakfast, same breakfast every morning. At least he did back then. And this was just when he got the job with prices. Right. And he was just super nice, super affable, reading his newspaper Very nice guy. There was no one, and I mean no one that was bothering the guy. You want to know why? Because he's the guy from the Price is Right and no one cares. Now I'm the guy from the commercial break and no one cares. But that seems like my perfect, perfect job because I'm in entertainment. I get to express that creativity. But they give me the cue cards. I just have to read it, inject a little bit of personality, meet some friendly faces and then be on with my day.

[Rachel]

Family friendly. Not talking about jizz.

[Brian Green]

No, I mean, if I could throw a jizz in there every once in a while, if we could get a, you know, if I could get a tit pic every once in a while in the commercial and the Price is right, I would do that. But I don't have to. It's. I don't have to. If I had to go work for Disney and do one of those silly, you know, game shows, I do it. I look at that Ryan Seacrest and now he's got iheartradio wrapped into that, prices into that Wheel of Fortune. Oh, he's making probably 20 million bucks a year for all that he does.

[Rachel]

Went far from a place here in.

[Brian Green]

Atlanta, little place here in Atlanta called Backstreet if you know, you know, I K y n T the D Y. No, I don't, I don't know that to be true. That's all rumor. It's all rumor and speculation from his ex boyfriend. So Ryan Seacrest, who's very talented, by the way, I mean, you have to be, you have to be talented and smart and have your head on your shoulders to maneuver a 30 plus year career in the entertainment business. From being like a local, you know, drive time DJ who wasn't particularly good at what he did. He parlayed that into an immense amount of success and money and empire. He now runs Dick Clark Productions. He owns it? I think so. He does the New Year's Eve, he does the radio show. He does American Idol. He does Wheel of Fortune. He was doing, remember like Kelly and Ryan for a while. And remember during the pandemic, he had like a stroke or something on air, didn't he? Yeah, he had to take a couple of days off. He called it exhaustion. Everyone else thought it was a stroke because it looked like a stroke.

[Rachel]

I think he was involved with the Kardashian show.

[Brian Green]

He was the executive producer of the Kardashians. He brought it to E and he said, you got to put these people on tv. They're highly Entertaining. And you know this one who did the sex tape, she's got a whole family of sex tapes behind her. So you guys got to get on this. And so he's the genius, essentially. He's the genius and the genius behind the Kardashians, which, like them, don't like him. They are the most famous people on earth.

[Rachel]

They really are.

[Brian Green]

And besides Taylor Swift and a couple of others, I mean, they're the most famous people on earth. And Ryan, I think, has a lot to do with that, or at least foretelling what was to come. He certainly had his finger on the pulse in that moment. He knew what the public wanted and he sold it to him. And it seems like at every turn, he kind of knows that now. Why is he doing Wheel of Fortune? I'm not sure. It seems like an odd move, but maybe he felt like, I want to be in people's living rooms every day in this family friendly way, which has always been his style. Like even in American Idol, he's never been particularly edgy. Even when he was a radio disc jockey on a play on a radio station called Star 94, which is like light pop rock. Like, nothing offensive, no hard rock, none of that. Top 40 hits, essentially.

[Rachel]

Top 40 for sure.

[Brian Green]

He's always been family friendly. He's always gone that direction.

[Rachel]

He looks good, he sounds good. You know, he's intelligent. He can read the cue card.

[Brian Green]

He can read. Right. I can do that too. Listen, he has multi platformed himself right into a billion dollar business. And I don't argue with it a bit. I say good for you. Right. He's dated some of the most beautiful women on earth. He was dating that girl from Dancing with the Stars.

[Rachel]

Yeah, Juliana. Who?

[Brian Green]

Juliana Hough, that's right. Who, by the way, is one of the best smelling human beings I have ever met in my entire life. I met her at a New Year's Eve party and she was. You could smell her across the room. She smelled like a, I don't know, a bundle of daisies wrapped in vanilla wrapped in really good smelling perfume. I mean, it was just amazing how good she smelled. But a beautiful woman also.

[Rachel]

Absolutely.

[Brian Green]

Now she's doing Dancing with the Star. Now she's like one of the hosts of Dancing with the Star. But anyway, I digress. Back to Ryan. He's really done done it for himself. I would absolutely take that career in a heartbeat if I didn't have to work as hard. If I could do like a tenth of what Ryan does and make the same money I'm in, but otherwise, I decline the offer. I decline the job. I declined the job. I want to go Drew Carey's route. Drew doesn't need all the extra accoutrements. He doesn't need to be in a radio studio every morning. He doesn't feel like he has.

[Rachel]

He's talking about mug warmers and incense holders.

[Brian Green]

That's it. Today I was watching him.

[Rachel]

I know when I walked in, yeah, it was on. And I thought it was funny because they were like, and how much does this mug warmer cost? And here's a handmade incense holder.

[Brian Green]

They have the shittiest prizes. I know. They're like a new car from 2019, Hyundai Electric. The Hyundai Electron has been discontinued, but it's new to you right now. How much does it cost? Pick the four numbers. 3, 5, 0, 0. That's correct. And you have to pay $7,000 in taxes to bring it home. I was watching him do a game, and it was like, you know, the lady was about to win a new car, which wasn't a particularly fancy car, but, okay, a car is a car. You win a car and she has to pick the number. They give her the middle number. And then there's four other numbers, two and two. She has to pick the first two. She has to pick the last two. She gets four chances to do this, and she's picking a number. She's like, 75. And he's like, that's the year I graduated high school. Like, really mundane, innate conversation that's not particularly funny, but not particularly offensive. He's using his improv skills to no good. But. But I will share that. This is the job. This is the way you want to go. Be that guy or Elizabeth Banks on. On no Whammies. What's that show? Press your luck. Press your luck. That's what I want to do. Press your luck. Wheel of fortune. Not Jeopardy. I'm not smart enough for that. I know those Jeopardy People are really. They're pretty picky about who they want, you know, leading that charge. And Brian's not going to fit that bill. But any of those other ones where it's like dumb games that anybody can play, the everyman game. I would be, I think, an excellent candidate.

[Rachel]

I think so, too. And talking about the prices. Right. I've always wanted to spin that wheel.

[Brian Green]

Me too.

[Rachel]

You know, and I wonder if when the camera's not rolling, people are, you know, hanging out late night, smoking weed.

[Brian Green]

Getting drunk and spinning the wheel, Having contests.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Does it make that noise when you're not on tv? Yeah. Does someone have to flick a button to make that noise? I would be curious about all of it. What I listened to. Somebody was talking to Vanna White's brother who briefly, briefly had a late night talk show in the 90s that he was trying.

[Rachel]

He's briefly had a late night talk show.

[Brian Green]

So listen to this. He's trying to sell the show, right? And he is a coked out drunk. And he admitted this is something he said, not something. I'm assuming this is something he said, I had a problem with drugs, I had a problem with alcohol. And so he got some famous people to show up in his backyard. He built a set in his backyard. So it's outdoors. He's doing a monologue. I've never heard something less funny unless it was an episode of the commercial break. Never. Never. It sounds like our first three episodes. It's just terrible. Terrible. He's running around Hollywood trying to sell this like everybody was back in the 90s. Everyone wanted a talk show. So I through this thing, I was listening to this podcast I was listening to. I found a link on YouTube. I watched it. It's some of the worst television I've ever seen. And. But he was. But the host asked, and I can't remember which podcast this was where I shouted out. The host asked the. Vanna White's brother, hey, did you ever. How many times you been to the set? A hundred. More than 100? He says, oh, probably a hundred. Maybe a little bit to the Wheel of Fortune set.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. How many times you spin the wheel? I never spun the wheel. He said, you never took a spin on the wheel? He's like, you know, honestly, I never thought about it. It's like, isn't that the first thing you would think about doing? Right? You go to press your luck. You want to see a whammy, you want to hit that button. You go to Wheel of Fortune. You want to spin it. Just watching it, you can almost tell how heavy it is, how you would spin it, what manner you would spin it.

[Rachel]

But the way people, other people are doing it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Just watching it. I have some spatial awareness about how I think I would spin those two wheels. The Price is Right wheel. The Wheel of Fortune wheel. But anyway, whatever. We're getting way off base here. Listen, today Chrissy and I are on vacation. Meaning when you're listening to this, we are on vacation. So we are not talking about anything too timely or topical. We are just going to give you the goods. We had a nice young gentleman, and I mean young Gentleman. He admits he's a kid. And I said, I don't want to get in trouble for texting a kid. So, you know, I hope you're at. So don't say anything that could get me in trouble.

[Rachel]

He'll be on To Catch a Predator.

[Brian Green]

His name is Kylan. He had to tell me how to say it. I want to make sure I got it right. His name is Kylan. He texted and he said, hey, is this tcb? Let me, let me share with you this string of texts. Yeah, it's a cool name. It says, is this commercial break? Anyway, if it is, I'm craving more mountain monsters, Frankie B. Or also more pickup artists. And I said, yeah, this is tcb. It's been almost nine months since Frankie did a video where I do more mountain monsters. I'll get you one out the door soon. And he says, this is Kylan, but it says my mom's name because it's my mom's account now. At first I thought, you know, it's 20, 25. There's a lot of 30 year olds who still using their mom's phone account. Right. I just, just. And, and no judgment there.

[Rachel]

I just thought that's what I wanted into the plan.

[Brian Green]

That's right. But then he explains. I said, and he goes, you feel free to use my name if you want to on air. I said, yeah, of course I'll shout you out, but you got to give me some more information about you. What do you do? What you know, what's your thing? And he goes, well, does school count as a job? I'm just a kid and I was like it most. So I go automatically into dad mode. And I'm like, what did I say to him? I go, school's definitely your job. Get through at least high school. And then the world is your oyster. You can do whatever you do. You do whatever you want. Choose your own adventure. Do I sound like your dad yet? I mean, I'm on, like, dad mode right now. So Kylan says, pick up artist. Mountain monsters or Frankie B. Well, there's no more Frankie B. I haven't found any new Frankie B. Information that we haven't already done. There's one or two videos out there. I'm keeping them in my back pocket for a rainy day. Mountain monsters. We just did.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But I have been saving something for just this occasion, for when someone asks, can you do a pickup artist? And we'll get to it after this.

[Rachel]

Sounds good.

[Brian Green]

You make this rather snappy, won't you? I have some Very heavy thinking to do before 10 o'clock.

[Chris Joy Hoadley]

Hi cats and kittens. Rachel here. Do you ever get the urge to speak endlessly into the void like Brian? Well, I've got just the place for you to do that. 212-4333, TCB. That's 212-433-3822. Feel free to call and yell all you want. Tell Brian I need a raise. Compliment Chrissy's innate ability to put up with all his shenanigans, or tell us a little story. The juicier the better. By the way, we love to hear your voice because Lord knows we're done listening to ourselves. Also, give us a follow on your favorite socials hecommercial break on Insta, TCB podcast on TikTok and for those of you who like to watch. Oh, that came out wrong. We put all the episodes out on video, YouTube.com thecommercial break and tcbpodcast.com for all the info on the show, your free sticker, or just to see how pretty we look. Okay, I gotta go now. I've got a date with my dog. No, seriously. Axel needs food. Today is pork chop day.

[Brian Green]

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[Rachel]

Chrissy oh, it's a wealth of douchebaggery.

[Brian Green]

It's a deep pool of douchebaggery. That's well said, my friend. The 21 Convention is a short lived convention that would happen in Orlando every year to showcase the world's the best and the brightest. Yes, the smallest penises available to to the women in the general Orlando area. And you'd if you were female, you'd probably want to be out of the Orlando area when the 21 convention was going on because it was just pickup artists and then it turned maga. For a while there it seemed like all they wanted to do was promote this new version of masculinity. Fine, if you're into that, cool. But one of the guys who we've been following long, I think before we found 21 convention was Adam the Lion. Adam the Liar. Lions.

[Rachel]

Well, we called him the Liar.

[Brian Green]

We called him the Liar. Now he has reinvented himself many times. He's been an SEO expert, a social media expert, he's been a branding expert, he's been a pickup artist. He was a polyamory artist. He was sleeping with and he had throuple going on there for a while. He reinvented himself as a life coach. This is the opposite of whatever Ryan Seacrest did. Adam the Liar. He followed the opposite follow the opposite path. He decided to be as unfamily friendly and non consistent as possible. And you got to give the guy credit. At least he's trying. He's desperately trying to follow the trends, usually three steps behind. Can't fault him for that. So is the commercial break. Yeah, but he's just one of these characters that you can't get enough of. I can't get enough of like Frankie B. Or Teresa Caputo. Adam has a soft spot in my heart because he is such an idiot. I mean honestly, that's the only way to say it. He's such an idiot. Adam, for the 21 convention. Apparently, years ago, he had produced. I think this is a. Like a biopic produced and directed by Adam Lyons himself. And they posted it on the 21 Convention website years ago. This looks like it was made 10 or 15 years ago because Adam is. He just looks very young in this and his hair is pink. And I don't even know. But. But this is not a documentary, despite what Adam may call it. It's not a document. You can't film.

[Rachel]

Like the new Dylan documentary.

[Brian Green]

No, it's not like the. Like the new Dylan biopic starring Timothy Chalala May. Adam here is a. I don't know, a student pickup artist. Use caution. He is trying to. You can't just film yourself and call a documentary. That doesn't make much sense. I was watching the Last Waltz last night. I couldn't.

[Rachel]

Oh, God, it's.

[Brian Green]

I couldn't sleep. As one of the best documentaries ever made, certainly the best music documentary, maybe the best music film ever made, but it was filmed by one of the best directors of all time and produced by Bill Graham and a bunch of others. This wasn't like the band got together and decided to film themselves and put it out, which they could have done. But you can't call that a documentary. Just call that. I just filmed myself. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, I don't want to get into the minutiae of what we're calling it. I just want to hear what he has to say. Now, I've watched very little of this, so we're going to go on this journey together. Yeah. Cold. That's how I like to do it. Here at the commercial break, Raw Dog, Adam Lyons.

[Adam Lyons]

The community is afc. Adam, I have so many different ambitions and things that I want to be doing in life, and you have tried.

[Brian Green]

Them all, my friend. Where are you a peacock? Is that. Is he a cockatoo? He's in a tropical location somewhere. Probably the villages in Florida where Chrissy and I are gonna retire.

[Rachel]

Yeah. There's a palm tree in the background.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Doesn't that look like Margaritaville to you?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You've been.

[Rachel]

I have not.

[Brian Green]

It looks like a Margaritaville, but he fits right in with that cockatoo hair.

[Rachel]

Yeah, it's jet black, but then with a splash of spiky pink.

[Brian Green]

Imagine cockatoo red.

[Rachel]

Well, actually, I can see it in the back of his head, too. Look at the back of his nape of his neck.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah.

[Rachel]

It goes. It must go all the way.

[Brian Green]

That's right. He's peacocking around. He's peacocking around the bar.

[Rachel]

Pink mohawk.

[Brian Green]

That's what they do. That's what mystery taught them. You got to get out there and show your colors. That's right.

[Adam Lyons]

Beyond just pick up and stuff like that. I'm known as being a geek. And not only was I always a geek, I still am a massive geek. So some of the things that.

[Brian Green]

Well, you didn't. You didn't have to say that out. You have to say it out loud.

[Adam Lyons]

But okay, obviously I want to make an independent horror film. Start off with maybe a small film that. But I've also got an.

[Brian Green]

I think he's made plenty of them. I think they're all over the Internet. I think he's accomplished that goal, like how to pick up a woman in 10 minutes or less.

[Adam Lyons]

I've started sword fighting again. So I've been doing.

[Brian Green]

Oh, I bet you've been sword fighting for a long time, Adam.

[Adam Lyons]

Actually, my live action role playing, where you, like, dress up in costume and sword fight people, I've been doing that again, and I'm looking to maybe put on some kind of small event like that. And, yeah, I'm just following the road, see where it takes me.

[Brian Green]

There's, like, there's title cards in between sections here, and this one is like a duck to water.

[Adam Lyons]

The big thing that got me into the community was I realized that one of the girls I was kind of dating, I'd had four relationships prior to learning game.

[Brian Green]

One of the relationships, once I learned game, I turned into a Jedi Master of. A Jedi Master of pink cockatoo hair and role playing. Nothing says fuck me like being in a park dressed up like a medieval.

[Adam Lyons]

Swordsmanship'S the last one I was in. I found out that not only had she been seeing a whole bunch of guys behind my back, but when I confronted her with it and we broke up, she ended up stealing all of the belongings from my house. My PlayStation, my PC, my, you know, my video games. Absolutely everything she could take, she did, leaving my house completely barren. I think I've still got the photograph somewhere.

[Brian Green]

The photographs. You have photographs of your empty apartment? I've got photos for these purposes, yeah, sure, why not?

[Adam Lyons]

She kind of left my room. And about six months earlier, one of my friends had handed me this book called the Game. And he said to me, he said, adam, this book is designed for you. He said, you don't realize it yet. He goes, but you were supposed to do this. He goes, I know when you do this, you're gonna take to it like a duck to water. And I kind of threw it on a back shelf and ignored it.

[Brian Green]

Wow. That kind of reminds me of that scene in the Matrix where he goes to the oracle and they ask him, like he's guided to the oracle. You must go talk to the oracle. Yeah.

[Rachel]

You were meant to do that.

[Brian Green]

Every good Genesis story of some of the most. Some of the people who changed our world starts with an oracle. There's someone who just sees something in you that you don't see in yourself. Like my wife. Shut up and do it on a microphone.

[Adam Lyons]

But it was one of the things she didn't take. And so I sort of open up the book, started reading.

[Brian Green]

It's the one thing she didn't.

[Rachel]

The book, the game.

[Brian Green]

I can't imagine why.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

Sign up on a course. And that was the start.

[Rachel]

I'm picturing him just, like, rolling around like an empty. You know, like when you go first, move into an apartment, it's empty.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And you sleep on the floor, maybe while you're waiting for the bed. Yeah.

[Rachel]

It's just carpeted. And he's got this book.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I imagine like Takis empty bags and Mountain Dew soda cans all around. Swords. Game. Staring at him in the movie, whoever plays him, it's got to. You know, I would imagine Ryan, Felipe or Tom, Timothy Chalamet or whoever. I can see, like, he's in this scene where it's all dark and he's crying.

[Rachel]

Gives him the book.

[Brian Green]

Done. Denzel gives him the book. You were meant to do this. Don't fret, bro. Read it. Neil Strauss.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

The famous composer Neil Strauss is obviously a big inspiration. Oh, no, the pickup artist Neil Strauss. Okay, I got it.

[Adam Lyons]

Seemed to me because of reading the game and he was kind of like my first. Supposed to look into the community, but actually got to meet Neil Strauss quite soon afterwards, which was really great. I mean, he's a really nice guy, really genuine. And I suppose he made me realize that a lot of the misconceptions.

[Brian Green]

Look at all these people walking behind him. I'm wondering if they know.

[Rachel]

Strange setup here.

[Brian Green]

I think they're at a mall in Florida. But I wonder if they know how close to greatness they are. Have you ever been somewhere and then later on you see pictures, like at a concert or. I don't know. You've never been to Disney World, but, like, Disney World?

[Rachel]

I've been to Disney World.

[Brian Green]

Oh, you have?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Oh, I thought you'd never been.

[Rachel]

No, I've been once.

[Brian Green]

Oh, okay.

[Rachel]

Not twice.

[Brian Green]

There's a couple times I've been to Disney World and then I'll be in one of those, you know, Disney adult groups for people like me who have mental problems. And then, and then they'll be like, oh, did you see so and so on this particular day? And it happens a famous person was there when I was there. But how would I have known?

[Rachel]

Like Obama passing in the background of that. Those people's pictures.

[Brian Green]

Yes. Eddie Vedder and my dad's Chicago picture. Yeah, stuff like that. I wonder if they know how close they are to greatness.

[Adam Lyons]

About some of the top pickup artists were actually a lot of hearsay and a lot of it didn't hold true because when I met Neil in person, he was very different to the kind of image that I had kind of been led to perceive by the majority of the people in the community.

[Brian Green]

So what do you. So I don't understand that. Okay, here's the next title card.

[Rachel]

You're just saying how great it was to meet Neil.

[Brian Green]

Uh huh. Neil's great. Okay, Journey through the Game. Here's our next title card. Here's our next PowerPoint slide.

[Adam Lyons]

With regards to my own Journey through the Game, there was definitely mixed sort like good points about meeting some of the top gurus and definitely some negative sides. I had a lot of conceptions that negative.

[Brian Green]

I never seemed to get laid when they were around positive. I got a free book.

[Adam Lyons]

Some of these pickup guys were absolutely untouchable. They could do whatever they wanted when it came to women. And some of my, some of my aspirations to kind of like to maybe be as good as Neil Strauss and be able to get any woman I want. When I actually met him, I realized actually he's very down to earth. You know, he's kind of hit and miss, kind of just like everybody else, but still a very cool, fun, down to earth guy who wasn't too proud of himself or too up his own rectum, should we say. Whereas.

[Brian Green]

So what you're saying is it's all bullshit, that's what you're saying.

[Adam Lyons]

Some other people that I met who not only weren't as good as they were trying to prove that they were, but they actually were kind of trying to force that idea on people that they were amazing, that they really could pick up absolutely everybody they wanted, it was a shame because if they just accepted they could fail sometimes, it might make it a lot easier to maybe relate to them and to believe half the things they were saying.

[Brian Green]

Hmm, interesting. Lowest point in his journey is the next title fight.

[Adam Lyons]

Lowest point for me, in my journey in the game was actually probably the point where everybody else was looking up to me the most. It was the point where I had.

[Brian Green]

It was the point where I was most famous. Chrissy high on cocaine in this Caesar's palace presidential swede. Bottles of champagne, tits flying from one end of the room to the other. Literally. Vagina raining from the sky. And I looked and there was that book staring back at me, the game. And I said, I've gotta read it again.

[Rachel]

I gotta get back to my roots.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I gotta get back to my roots. I've. I've strayed too far. Neil Strauss once said, it's all bullshit, kid. And then the hooker bill came.

[Adam Lyons]

14 different girlfriends.

[Brian Green]

14 different girlfriends. He just said he hates when his pickup artist guru. The people he looked up to make it sound like they're all that. And now he's doing it himself. 14. Give me a break.

[Adam Lyons]

Some of the most beautiful women throwing themselves at me. I would walk into a night.

[Rachel]

What do you say?

[Brian Green]

It's Peacock Adams.

[Rachel]

Get him. He's about to say, I walk into a nightclub.

[Brian Green]

I walk into a nightclub and literally can't move without my boner being licked.

[Adam Lyons]

Club in London. 250 girls walking in the door with me. I literally.

[Rachel]

Now this is where he. We gave. Around this time when we gave him the liar.

[Brian Green]

Here comes the liar. Here comes the liar part of Adam. I was almost high.

[Rachel]

Club in London.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rachel]

I'm walking in with 250 girls.

[Brian Green]

I've been to 14 girlfriends. I don't know how many clubs in London fit 250 people, let alone you and 250 girls. I was almost. I was almost thinking like, oh, Adam, you know he can.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Without all the hype and hyperbole he could. No, no. Didn't work.

[Adam Lyons]

Probably at the top of my game. And I realized I wasn't happy. I was unfulfilled. I didn't enjoy life. I realized I didn't have to work for anything. Women would just throw themselves at me. I was at the lowest point of self motivation in my life. I had guys that wanted to be like me. And I was actually looking at being like, why do you want this? This isn't fun. This isn't.

[Brian Green]

This isn't fun. All this woman, all this sex, all these drugs. I don't have to work for anything. I'm a millionaire. Just thinking about it. I don't understand why you want to be like me. I am going to work at McDonald's tomorrow and I will not have a date on Friday back. I'm a man of the people happy.

[Adam Lyons]

And the turning point for that, for me that the point where suddenly everything became happy and enjoyable was really when I realized that I wanted just one goal and I wanted to settle down. And I think anybody that.

[Rachel]

Boiling.

[Adam Lyons]

They really do just want a whole bunch of different random girls that I don't think they've really experienced the pinnacle of that. Because when you really have that, when.

[Brian Green]

You really have a pinnacle of pussy, Chrissy, I don't think you've realized the pinnacle of poo tang. If you realize the pinnacle of poo tang, like I have, like having 380,000 women in your bed at one time, then you realize it really doesn't make you happy to have so many beautiful naked women around you when you're unfulfilling heterosexual single male. It's unfulfilling Chrissy.

[Adam Lyons]

Lifestyle where women are throwing themselves at you. Johnny Wolfe from the PUA Summit.

[Brian Green]

How many times can you put in the words women throwing themselves at you in one segment of your own documentary.

[Adam Lyons]

Throughout to come and meet.

[Rachel]

He just mentioned somebody with the Peeway summit.

[Brian Green]

Oh yeah, the Peeway summit. Yeah. It's all the rage with the peace.

[Adam Lyons]

To see how true this was. And I've got a testimonial where he. He saw me throwing women out of my bedroom who are begging to come in there to have sex with me.

[Rachel]

I've got a testimonial.

[Brian Green]

Oh my God. I've got a testimonial from a guy who saw women getting kicked out of my bedroom who were trying to have sex with me at the good old Pee Way summit. The summit no one heard of or is gone to.

[Rachel]

I have a testimony.

[Brian Green]

Oh, the P Wave summit.

[Adam Lyons]

And that was the lifestyle I was living and it wasn't fulfilling.

[Brian Green]

Oh, and then David D'Angelo came in. David D'Angelo. Here's. Here's the oracle coming back into his life.

[Adam Lyons]

David D'Angelo was a guy whose name I'd heard mentioned a lot throughout my journeys in the community. But I'd never actually bought any of his products or read anything of his. And it was only actually quite recently. Although I was kind of familiar with some of his concepts, like cocky funny. It was only very recently that I actually.

[Brian Green]

Cocky funny. Cocky funny.

[Rachel]

The concept of cocky funny.

[Brian Green]

The concept of dying your hair pink, going to the P wave and cock a doodle doo ing your wave.

[Adam Lyons]

Cockadood.

[Brian Green]

Get out of my bedroom. Beautiful naked women. I don't want you.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah. Got to find out more.

[Brian Green]

Hey, take notes. I want a testimonial later.

[Rachel]

You see what's happening here?

[Brian Green]

Where are those pictures of my empty bedroom.

[Adam Lyons]

About him? When he interviewed me for his interview series, I got a call from some of the people in his camp saying, hey, David D'Angelo would like to interview you. And I got spinning firsthand.

[Brian Green]

I don't even have a camp. Where's a camp? I hate when people say that. I know some people in my camp. We're gonna get back to you. Oh, really? Some people in your camp? I've been to an actual camp. It's no fun.

[Adam Lyons]

And the guy's an absolute genius. I mean, not just what he knows about pickup, but what he knows about life in general and about business and marketing. He's a very genuine individual and I learned a lot just from a half hour phone call.

[Brian Green]

I've met so many genuine people who know a lot about business and marketing.

[Rachel]

Exactly.

[Brian Green]

And pickup artistry. Those three combinations. Say sincere and real with him. Negative outlook of the community. Okay, okay.

[Adam Lyons]

There are definitely some people out there that have a negative outlook on the community.

[Brian Green]

You don't say. Right. I wonder why.

[Rachel]

I can't imagine why.

[Brian Green]

I can't imagine why. You just said you walked into a club with 250 women, kicked a bunch of naked girls out of your bedroom because you didn't want to have sex with them. That wasn't fulfilling. And you're expecting people to look on this and go, he's such a redeemed guy. This is, is. This is worse than Carl Lentz. I'm sorry.

[Adam Lyons]

And I think that anytime I've ever come across that, it's usually the person doesn't actually fully understand what the community is. For me specifically, and I think really that's what the community is. It's always a personal choice of how you view it. I've always viewed the community as a male self help group. It's a bunch of guys that are firstly, admitting they have a problem and they can't meet girls. And secondly, they're willing to do whatever it takes to get. And yeah, different people have.

[Brian Green]

It's like aap It's. It's pap P. Anonymous.

[Adam Lyons]

Different journeys. Some it's maybe a bit more aggressive. Some it may not be a pleasant experience, but I think on the whole, for most, it's a really good positive experience that they come out the other side of it with a better understanding of women.

[Rachel]

And a bunch of books.

[Brian Green]

And a bunch of books and a bunch of credit card bills and a bunch of monthly subscriptions and A bunch of phone calls with John Anthony Lifestyle.

[Adam Lyons]

I think one of the main.

[Brian Green]

Underground.

[Rachel]

Yeah, underground just popped up on the ground.

[Brian Green]

Now we're getting into the good stuff. This is secret stuff. They won't tell you anywhere else. Kids, get out your pencils. You're gonna need to write a testimonial later.

[Adam Lyons]

The community is taboo or is seen as being secretive and underground. And maybe a little bit manipulative is specifically because us guys are kind of scared of letting the girls know what we're doing. There are so many people that hide behind false names, hide behind, you know, online stories, whereas in reality, you can kind of come out and tell the truth. I mean, Cosmopolitan and fhm, they're full of true life stories, things that have actually happened to me. There's nothing wrong with accepting, oh, Cosmopolitan.

[Brian Green]

Is full of true life stories about you. I did not know this. I did not know he was in Cosmo. Oh, okay. Yep. Probably not in the good part of Cosmo.

[Rachel]

Fhm.

[Brian Green]

Fhm, the now defunct girly mag.

[Adam Lyons]

One of my biggest signs for whether a guy actually is comfortable with what they're doing and in my opinion, really should be giving out and giving this advice is based on how comfortable they are. A, being seen by people to be doing what they're doing, and B, being comfortable with their name being put to it.

[Brian Green]

Well, I. I can understand that one.

[Adam Lyons]

Everybody knows me. I'm out in the open. I've made mistakes. I've done some things that are amazing, but I've done all of it open. Everyone found out about my. My girlfriend before I got with her. I told him what I was going to do. I told him before I was going to.

[Brian Green]

How did they find out about your girlfriend before you even got with her?

[Rachel]

I don't know.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. This is an amazing story, Adam, you're telling right now. This takes lying to a whole new level, by the way, Post.

[Adam Lyons]

They've seen the whole thing. They sort out there.

[Rachel]

This guy just walked behind us like.

[Brian Green]

Some dude just photobombed big time. He just walked directly behind him. I'm not saying, like 10ft behind him.

[Rachel]

No, like right behind him.

[Brian Green]

Inches behind him. Yeah. Adam doesn't miss a beat.

[Adam Lyons]

Could have gone wrong. Maybe sight would have happened. Would my name have been ruined? Who knows?

[Rachel]

That's really fun.

[Brian Green]

It's awesome.

[Adam Lyons]

Point is, I was brave enough to stand by it and do it.

[Brian Green]

Brave enough to stand behind what? Getting a girlfriend. I need to know more about that. Speaking the truth, that's a hard one for Adam.

[Adam Lyons]

One of the the biggest reasons that I think that I've been so successful is this is not only have I been really open and told everyone what's going on, but I've also tried my best to be as truthful as possible.

[Brian Green]

Uhhuh. Uh huh.

[Rachel]

Yeah, you might need to try harder.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I think you got a skewed definition of what the truth is.

[Adam Lyons]

Literally, even if it completely pains me, come out there and try and speak the complete truth. What I love is so many people don't even believe it. They're like, there's no way that Adam can just come out and tell the truth. And yet I do.

[Rachel]

We're in that camp.

[Brian Green]

We're in that camp. Have your camp.

[Rachel]

There's no way Adam can speak the.

[Brian Green]

Truth, by the way. Wow, this is something right out of the DJT playbook. If. If they don't believe you, they just don't believe you have the ability to tell the truth. They in fact are just not understanding that you are being so truthful. It doesn't sound like the truth.

[Adam Lyons]

And I find that's the only way to be completely congruent is to not only be open, but to also be truthful. And that way you can people see you for who you are and then you only get judged accordingly.

[Brian Green]

Oh, we see you for who you are, Adam.

[Rachel]

Turning point.

[Brian Green]

There's a turning point in every story.

[Adam Lyons]

From my personal point of view with regards to where I sit in the community. I've always associated myself as a pickup artist because I wanted to go out there and I wanted to pick up chicks and end up dating them. Up until the point I got married. The point I got married was a definite turn.

[Brian Green]

Wait, what? I didn't know you were married.

[Rachel]

Yeah, I think it lasted.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, no, I don't think it did either. I wonder why.

[Adam Lyons]

No longer a true artist. I mean, it's great that I still will get get, you know, perceived as one. And there's no way I'm leaving the community. I'm going to keep helping guys out as much as possible, but you know, I'm not out there to pick up chicks. And as much as I'm going to help other people do that, I kind of see myself as somebody who trains other people to be pickup artists rather than being a pickup artist myself. And I'm definitely starting to identify more with being a dating coach and looking at helping people with things beyond just picking up things. How to handle a date.

[Brian Green]

I'm definitely looking for my next grift. This one's getting A little boring. And now that I'm married, guys don't want to talk to me. I think after you get married, being a pickup artist is probably not something you can do.

[Rachel]

Like, I don't know, for many reasons.

[Brian Green]

That's like eating with a skinny chef. You know what I'm saying? Like, you just don't do it.

[Adam Lyons]

How to handle a relationship. Things that I genuinely feel that I'm starting to gain a much stronger experience based on than a lot of other pickup artists who kind of meet a girl, move on to the next girl and concentrate on things like, you know, instant lays and how to have one night stands. For me, it's much more about lays.

[Brian Green]

They call it ILS in the community. Chrissy, you gotta get in there and get a bunch of ils.

[Rachel]

Instantly.

[Brian Green]

IO baby, I am. Oh, yes. An instant lay. That means you walk into the bar instantly laid. Boom. Vagina dick meat. Boom. Explosions everywhere. Clean up aisle three and you're out. 249 left to go. You know what I'm saying, Chrissy?

[Rachel]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Green]

Thank you.

[Adam Lyons]

You prolong that. How can you ideally meet the person you want to be with and stay with them forever?

[Brian Green]

I don't know. I don't know. But maybe he'll explain it to us in the next segment. Let's take a break and we'll be back.

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Be brief.

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[Brian Green]

All right, we just learned that Adam is in fact or was in fact married for a brief period of time, 2009-2013 longer than my first marriage. But anyway, all right, all right, settle down. Teaching Relationships Our next title card here.

[Adam Lyons]

Two years ago. There is absolutely no way that I would have considered myself as somebody qualified enough to teach relationships. I purposely haven't. Even though I was dating at the time, I wanted to make sure that I was coming down it with a point of authority. I don't think you can talk about relationships until you've been married and seen it right through to the to the end.

[Brian Green]

And then foreshadow me. Wow. Well, you took it to the end. It ended. It ended four short years later.

[Adam Lyons]

You and my marriage. I'm still not in a position you're not going to find me coming out of any kind of marriage product anytime soon. I want the experience and the wealth of knowledge before I do.

[Brian Green]

Marriage Product the Perfect Woman it's really.

[Adam Lyons]

Hard for me to work out whether my personal journey through this and coming to the conclusion of one perfect woman being for me is what everybody wants. But I truthfully believe that for me for my own journey from somebody who did have that. And people have seen my journey. They've seen the phases where I didn't have any girls in my life. They've seen me learn, they've seen me go through it. It's been documented how I went from somebody who wanted to get a lot of girls to somebody who succeeded. I ran Project Entourage.com, one of the largest club hosting companies in London.

[Brian Green]

Humble bragging all the way to success. Entourage, Project Entourage. Chrissy. It's been well documented my journey to pussy success. Anybody who documents their journey to pick up artist success is just might have something wrong with them. I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying everybody is the same and I'm not saying all quote unquote dating coaches, which is a big word that includes a lot of different types of men and women. I'm not saying all of them are bad. Sometimes maybe you feel like you need somebody to give you a pep talk or something like that. But this guy, no way.

[Adam Lyons]

I had those women in my life. They're still on my Facebook.

[Brian Green]

Check out my facebook adamlions.com I achieved.

[Adam Lyons]

That and I know that for me specifically, I definitely wanted that one. I speculate, I hypothesize that that's the same for every other guy. But unfortunately, this is a case study of just one guy. And from there I can't judge any further than that.

[Brian Green]

Thanks for bringing that. Clear. You're so scientific in your methods, Adam. So scientific.

[Rachel]

Yeah, I mean he really is just answering his own questions. Yeah. There's nobody asking him.

[Brian Green]

No, no one's asking him this. He, he, these title cards were made backwards. He came up his own questions, he's giving his own answers. This is all just spoon fed At.

[Rachel]

A mall in Florida.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, at a, at an outdoor mall in Florida where he's just giving himself a reason to humble brag about all the stuff he's done. The feminization of America. Here we go. Here we go. I'm going to hate on the women I so desperately need to people who.

[Adam Lyons]

View that perhaps the male population of the world has become feminized and we've allowed that women to kind of like take over. I really just see that as part of the balance in the sexes. I think that we definitely lived in a very male patriarchal society where males are very much dominating things. And I think that now as we.

[Brian Green]

Wait, wait, Chrissy. Might we agree with something Adam has to say?

[Adam Lyons]

But to reintroduce that balance, I think guys don't really know.

[Brian Green]

Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. He's going to. He's going to it up somehow. Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

I think they've never really known how to maintain a balance because they've always used to being in a position of power. And I think that's definitely created some sort of imbalance. And I do think that the community is a splinter off that's kind of evolved from that need for men to realize how to maintain that balance.

[Rachel]

Yeah, I've always said splintered straight off in the 21 Convention.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Somehow 21 Convention was the way we splintered off.

[Adam Lyons]

When you learn pickup artistry, when you get good at it, really all you do is become a little bit more female with this.

[Brian Green]

Okay, all right. Not sure how that works.

[Rachel]

Maybe in the woman's shoes.

[Brian Green]

Maybe. But I don't think I agree with that particular statement. But okay, I was with you all the way up until that balance that's.

[Adam Lyons]

Happened with us trying to maintain a balance between the sexes. There's now become an imbalance, specifically in men and also in women, in how people should behave, what our roles should be. And I think what we're gonna see is a consistent change and there'll be some kind of equilibrium that sets and that will constantly be at battle. I mean, at the end of the day, the war between the sexes is one that will never end, hopefully. Because if it ever does, that will mean the, you know, the loss for all of us.

[Rachel]

What?

[Brian Green]

I don't even understand what that means.

[Rachel]

No.

[Brian Green]

Ah, War ends. We all lose. You know what I'm saying, Chrissy? Yeah.

[Rachel]

I mean, yeah, we have to fight each other to the death, and then there's a war and then we lose.

[Brian Green]

Snake charmers.

[Rachel]

That's the.

[Brian Green]

That's the snake charmers.

[Adam Lyons]

There were definitely a bunch of people when they first started the community that were seen as snake charmers. There were definitely people that I believe don't have the skill to pull off what they've got. I'm not the kind of person that goes around and drops names on people, but I can say I know for a fact.

[Rachel]

Oh, yeah, you're not dropping any kind of.

[Brian Green]

No, no, no, no. Yeah, you're not dropping any kind. You're not one to humble brag. You're not one to say anything too ostentatious out loud. Just say the names, Adam, so that we can find their videos.

[Adam Lyons]

Some guys that are charging $3,000 for a course, sometimes even more.

[Brian Green]

Michael Anthony lifestyle. John Anthony lifestyle. Sorry.

[Adam Lyons]

Had Sex themselves with less than 10 girls. People that come to me and say, adam, how do you do it? How do you maintain a relationship? Every girl I ever get just breaks up with me, and all I want to do is settle down with one. And then they then go out and preach how it's important to have multiple girls and you shouldn't just stick with one. And it pains me. It pains me to hear it. And I know there are people that would love me to come out and point their finger at those people, but unfortunately, if I do that, they're only gonna point one right back and try and make up falsehoods. Because if they're happy to lie about how great they are, they're gonna be happy to lie at how bad other people are. So I've got this whole philosophy. It comes from my game and it comes from everything. I try and add value to as many people as possible, and I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna help as many people as I can.

[Brian Green]

By adding value, I mean dropping seed in your uterus. Oh, yeah. Boo yo y.

[Adam Lyons]

Literally, person by person. I'm gonna prove that this does work.

[Brian Green]

Literally, woman by woman. I'm on a mission to seed the entire world. Literally, Literally.

[Adam Lyons]

And that we can help people.

[Rachel]

We can help people.

[Brian Green]

Oh, we can help.

[Rachel]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

Mother Teresa. Let go of the old chicks. Get the new chicks.

[Adam Lyons]

The only thing that's ever pissed me off about the community, the only thing that's really got under my skin is a lot of the old issues being drug across to the current things. When we first started doing our boot camps and I first started running them, I was running them back in 2006. My early boot camps were nowhere near the quality that they are now. My boot camps in 2008 are completely different to how they are in 2009. I'm constantly evolving and changing.

[Brian Green]

Oh, so three short years later, the quality has improved 10x Chrissy.

[Adam Lyons]

And I'm seeing that in my students results and the testimonials I'm getting, We're getting more and more people with success. I think the one thing that pisses me off is as soon as somebody has one bad experience from the past, they definitely try and translate that. So if they do a really bad boot camp with one of our competitors, they'll suddenly assume that all future boot camps with everybody else, whether they've done one or not, is bad.

[Brian Green]

And even if they boot camps. Pump that penis. Pump that penis. Thrust, thrust, thrust. Peacock, peacock, peacock.

[Rachel]

One, two, one.

[Brian Green]

Lean against the wall. Stare up and down. Don't talk. No words. She'll come to you, soldier. Put that boner down. Not yet. More Peacock. Peacock. Peacock. Get her into your room. Low lighting, loud music. Let's go, let's go, let's go. You're getting late this weekend. Yes, sir. I can hear you instantly. I don't know what they may say. I don't know what they may say. Going for nothing but an instant lay. Sound off, Hard dick. Sound off.

[Adam Lyons]

Peacock had perhaps a less than perfect experience with myself there. They aren't willing to come again.

[Rachel]

I'm trying to think about this because we have reviewed so many of these. Adam. Was Adam the one was or was he was like in his apartment?

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rachel]

He was talking about the girl, the.

[Brian Green]

Low lighting he had sex with. And then he was the one who told us how he brought home a girl and he had the lighting he like flipped on. He had a light setting that was setting the mood and a playlist. He definitely had a playlist for getting laid and it was like a two hour cab ride or so. Yeah. I don't know when completely for free.

[Adam Lyons]

To see the improvements that have happened. I know as anti's done with the 21 convention with regards to renaming it and rebranding it and going about changing things, we're constantly doing that with our own boot camps. The results we're getting now are better than ever. And you know, I just wish sometimes I could go out.

[Brian Green]

This is basically a sales pitch for his boot camps. He has a lot of bad press out there and he's trying to tell you that it's other people's boot camps, not my boot camps.

[Rachel]

Right.

[Adam Lyons]

People that think that it doesn't work, drag them out there, give them a completely freebie and just show them how much difference we can really make to people.

[Brian Green]

He's got that used car salesperson smile at the end of everything. He says politics and money, uh oh.

[Adam Lyons]

There is definitely political siding and conflict and so like a background subterfuge that goes on around the community with. With the corporates definitely trying to take things themselves to generate as much profit as possible.

[Brian Green]

Which corporations are in on the Pickup artist business? 21 convention. The people you're doing the video for right now.

[Adam Lyons]

However, I think you're gonna find that in any industry anywhere in the world. I've worked in public relations, I've worked in marketing, I've worked in the movie industry. I've worked in television and all of these places.

[Brian Green]

The movie industry, the porn movie industry. Which movie industry?

[Adam Lyons]

This had their own different political intrigue that was going on. On. It's just what happens when you mix money.

[Brian Green]

The different branches of the community.

[Adam Lyons]

I genuinely feel that the community itself has always had a number of different branches. There's definitely been people that are very much more about improving your life, improving your lifestyle and trying to help you with that side of things. And there are definitely those that are always going to be talking about magic tricks and routines and kind of like the. The number one line that's going to guarantee to get any girl to win. Want you mystery.

[Brian Green]

Notice the guy in the background waving. Yeah. 70 year old. He wants to get in. He sees Adam. He's like I took your course last.

[Adam Lyons]

Week and I think that's just how it is. It splinters in different ways. We're always going to see that separation. There'll be new types of pickup methodology that we can't even imagine right now. I heard there's a guy who's specializing in Halloween game. Everyone's creating their own different riches in the niche.

[Brian Green]

Bitches. Bitches. That's right. Halloween game. Take my course. That only works one night a year. Put on a mask. Peacock. Halloween game. I have to know now I have to know. Where can we find the Halloween game video? I want to know.

[Adam Lyons]

He's within it.

[Rachel]

That only works one night a year. Put on a mask.

[Brian Green]

Put on a mask. Pretend you're not you. Independent versus corporate. Uh oh. Here's where it all falls apart. It's always a Walmart of pickup artists coming in to squash the little guy. The mom and pop pussy game gets quash by Big pussy. Big pussy. Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

A lot of different types of guys within the community. I've seen the core big companies. I've seen a lot of the independent movement within London. When I first started coming out to it, I was one of the independents. I was one of the first guys that came out of it. From my honest experience.

[Brian Green]

I rose up to the independent ladder. Like Alanson chains in the early days of Seattle grunge rock scene. He was one of the first independents. No selling out here bro. You won't. You won't find any John Anthony lifestyle banners at my boot camp. No siree Bob. Stay free sense.

[Adam Lyons]

The independent guys have a shelf life. There's only so long they can maintain it because there is so much bulk of work that has to be done.

[Brian Green]

I think that's true of any guy. It's only so long we can maintain it. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

[Adam Lyons]

The eventually starts to Wear on you. You need to kind of take that relaxed lifestyle. I know some of them have managed to survive that by living certain times sort of parts of the year in a different part of the world. That's a lot cheaper to live, coming into more affluent areas and using that to help them survive. And know some of my good friends do that by living in Thailand and working in Los Angeles. But I think in reality, if you're looking at this career, if you're looking at long term, you need that infrastructure. You do need support of a big company. It was definitely a decision that I came to after being an independent for a good couple of years, having a big company behind you.

[Brian Green]

Wait, who, what big company is supporting pickup artists? I think he means the 21 convention.

[Rachel]

I think so too.

[Brian Green]

I think that's. Yeah.

[Rachel]

And I guess people that maybe take. He's talking about infrastructure. I mean, I guess people that take the calls and book the.

[Brian Green]

Book the appointments. Yeah. Lead you to the right dating coach, quote, unquote. I mean, they're really the apple of the pickup artist community if you're gonna survive in this community. I just find it sad that people have to live in Thailand all year long on the beach, and then come to Los Angeles to teach me how to pick up women on Halloween one night only. I specialize in the Easter game. Hop around like a bunny.

[Adam Lyons]

Definitely helps, if only with advertising, marketing and having a receptionist to answer emails. There's definitely a tipping point where you can only have so much success without bothering to set up the infrastructure. And everyone's seen it. When you're an independent, when you start making that, that much money, when you start growing, you have to set the infrastructure up and become a corporate. And if you don't, what happens is you end up with upset clients.

[Brian Green]

Everyone's seen it. Everyone knows about that tipping point. When you've got too much patootie tang to get and money, it's literally flowing out of your ears and your name.

[Adam Lyons]

Ends up falling apart. And you see the rise of the fall of these independents all the time. The average independent lasts maybe a year or two years before everything starts.

[Brian Green]

How do you know that? Where are those stats? The average independent one year, acting like this is like some well worn industry. It's very much the wild west as far as I can tell. I don't know because I'm not a dating coach or a pickup artist or whatever.

[Rachel]

Or in the market.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. But it seems like. Put your videos on YouTube, hope that people call your phone number and order your course and if they do, you'll make money, and if they don't, you won't. And he's right about one thing. Any small business has its toils and troubles. And, you know, as an independent podcast, you, you know, it's like you have your ups, you have your downs. You go with a network because they have the people who can sell your business. Right. I mean, I get what he's saying, but I just don't see the pickup artist business being that big that it would sustain big corporate. When he's saying big corporate, he really makes it sound like there's a Walmart of pickup artists out there.

[Adam Lyons]

Unless they set up an infrastructure and then what happens is you just have a new corporate setup. I think Michal was a great example of that. He was an independent that splintered off and then he went corporate. He had to, because in order to sustain niha.

[Brian Green]

I'm not even going to go there. I'm just going to leave that one. Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

Kind of size that he was getting. He needed the corporate infrastructure to keep it alive.

[Brian Green]

Okay, one more ever changing community.

[Adam Lyons]

I personally feel that the community is an ever changing construct, and I don't think it's.

[Brian Green]

It's a living organism, Chrissy.

[Adam Lyons]

It breathes on its own, either aligned good or bad. I think that realistically, the community is always going to change. It'll have its ups. There'll be media stories where, you know, we're portrayed in a bad light, and then every so often, you'll have it where it goes the other way completely. And it should.

[Brian Green]

No, no, never seen. No, never seen. Public sentiment. Mo tort. Well, there was that time that VH1 had mystery, had his own show.

[Rachel]

That's right.

[Brian Green]

But that was the whiz bang 90s when a lot of things were different. We do dating shows from the 90s all the time. Things were just different back then. I think pickup artists generally are seen in a negative light because of the things that they say. Not because they're victims of their own success, but because they're victims of their own dumb ideology.

[Adam Lyons]

If and suddenly the pickup community will be dating coaches helping out the poor guy who's a virgin. It's always going to shift around. It's always going to be moved around. And realistically, the media are going to control how people see it. At the end of the day, I try and do things one student at a time, helping as many people as I can.

[Brian Green]

One hard cock at a time, Chrissy. Boner at a time. All right.

[Rachel]

Oh, Adam.

[Brian Green]

Oh, Adam. There's like 10 more minutes to go. But I don't think I can hear Adam talk anymore.

[Rachel]

He needs.

[Brian Green]

No, not to himself. His own soliloquy about himself and all the wonderful things he's done. But how? He's a changed man now. And look at that dumb grin on his face. Look at that dumb grin on his face. He really does look like a clown. Oh, man. Oh. We already have had feedback about the 12 Hearts of Tea ACB and some people are questioning our sanity.

[Rachel]

Yes, so are we.

[Brian Green]

Yes, we are. No doubt about it. But.

[Rachel]

But it is mental health awareness, so.

[Brian Green]

We'Re gonna put ours to the test. We'll see how it goes. We'll share more about the minutia. But don't worry about us. We've set this up in a way that I think we're gonna be okay. 12 hours of TCB May 31st. That's a Saturday, so if you choose to keep up with it, you can. And I don't think there's any major sporting events. I don't know, but I checked and it doesn't look like it.

[Rachel]

It's the weekend after.

[Brian Green]

It's baseball weekend after Memorial Day. That's right. So have your fun. And then, you know, get some popcorn. Get some popcorn. Put your earmuffs on, kids. 12 hours of TCB. Starting at 10am to 10pm we'll be releasing an episode every hour on the hour or as close to it as I can possibly edit. And then we will be doing also live recording too, meaning we'll record and you'll be able to tune in and watch us record. So you'll be able to hear it just a little bit early. Lots more details on that. In coordination with our good friends at central talent booking, Odyssey Covert Creative, we plash design and video production firm and quite frankly us the commercial break. So there you go, Brian and Chris. Okay, so lots more information coming up about that. Stay tuned. Next week, you want to be on the commercial break, call us 212-4333 TCB 212-4333 TCB between the hours of 12 and 2:30pm Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, 15th, 16th, 17th or 14th. 15th, 16, 16th. Call us and we may answer the phone at the commercial break on Instagram YouTube.com the commercial break for all of the episodes the same day. They air here on the audio feed, tcbpodcast.com your free sticker and all the audio and video. Okay, Chrissy, that's all I can do for now.

[Rachel]

I think so.

[Brian Green]

But I'll tell you that I love you, best you and best you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time, Chrissy and I will say we do say and we we must say goodbye.

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