Presence, Essence, & Drama

Summary

The Commercial Break

Episode: Presence, Essence, & Drama
Air Date: April 17, 2024
Hosts: Bryan Green, Krissy Hoadley

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode epitomizes The Commercial Break’s "Cheesecake Factory of comedy" vibe—unstructured, self-aware, improv banter focused on pop culture drama, online commentary, and the absurdity of "dating coach" culture. Bryan and Krissy riff on several topics, from Gypsy Rose Blanchard and social media trolling, to their own experiences with activism, dieting fads, and ultimately lampooning the world of pickup artists by live-reacting to the "Ask the Dating Coach" podcast.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gypsy Rose Blanchard and Internet Judgment

(Starts ~01:00)

• Bryan brings up recent internet drama about Gypsy Rose Blanchard’s love life post-incarceration, expressing frustration over online trolls’ moralizing.
  • "The chances of this woman ever having a normal relationship... is 0.0. Give her a fucking break." (Bryan, 02:02)
• Both hosts defend Gypsy Rose, arguing her upbringing and trauma are far outside the realm of “normal,” so people should let her live her life.
• The segment serves as a critique of online “man-children” and the compulsion to comment on women’s lives.
  • "Anytime a woman says something on the Internet... it's followed by... men-children going out there and saying terrible things for no reason whatsoever..." (Bryan, 06:15)

2. The Perpetual Negativity of Online Comments

(07:11)

• Krissy offers sage advice: never read the comments.
  • "Gypsy Rose never read the comments. There’s a little piece of advice from the TCB family..." (Bryan, 07:13)
• Bryan riffs on their own negative reviews, poking fun at trolls: "These two really do think they are funny. And yes, we do, by the way." (Bryan, 07:41)

3. Health Trends Whiplash—Intermittent Fasting

(07:43 – 11:38)

• Bryan shares frustration with constantly changing science on intermittent fasting, swinging from praising the long-lived Italians who fast, to recent news saying fasting is now bad.
  • "I read this article... this Italian doctor... their theory is... eating less, you stress the body less, your cells are younger..." (Bryan, 08:14)
  • Days later: "Intermittent fasting is now bad for you because it puts your body in some state of... caloric shutdown..." (Bryan, 09:57)
• Krissy’s zen approach: "I like to skim the top stories... then mourn for a minute... and then go on and read my nice news of the day..." (Krissy, 11:22)

4. Media Overload & Emotional Health

(11:38 – 15:26)

• Bryan discusses how obsessive news/media consumption (post-Katrina, 9/11) affected his mental health, and how a friend's advice—"turn off the TV"—actually worked.
  • "I turned off the tv. It worked. I was like, oh, I'm cured. Look at that. I feel so much better." (Bryan, 12:57)
• Both hosts briefly discuss attempts at activism and the frustration of group decision-making—“should we vote on whether we should take a vote?”
  • "This was the most frustrating experience I've ever been a part of." (Bryan, 15:26)

5. Leadership, Democracy, & Internet Stupidity

(15:26 – 17:53)

• Bryan reflects on how the agony of group decisions can make autocracy tempting.
  • "That's all I'd want to do. It's just... do it my way and damn everybody else." (Bryan, 15:28)
• Jokes about being too “fussy” and scandal-prone for politics—though, nowadays, nothing seems truly disqualifying.
  • "After the last five years of American politics, I'm not sure that anything disqualifies me anymore." (Bryan, 17:04)

6. A.I. & Show Interruptions

(17:53 – 19:04)

• Quick riff on Jon Stewart’s take that “AI does nothing,” and Bryan’s mom reliably calling during every recording session.
• Transition into the main feature: a comedic breakdown of an internet “PUA” (pickup artist) podcast.

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Main Segment: “Ask the Dating Coach” Podcast Breakdown

(Begins ~22:17; Extended segment until show close)

Introduction to the "PUA Panel"

• Bryan introduces Adam “the Liar” Lyons, a recurring internet “dating coach” (PUA), and co-host Eve (his wife), along with guests like Vince Kelvin ("the original pickup artist") and “the single guy.”
  • "Adam is an internet personality... pickup artist... polyamory expert... does everything. I think he does whatever the money goes is." (Bryan, 21:02)
• Hosts lampoon the overblown self-promotion and dubious expertise of these PUAs.

The Will Smith/Jada Pinkett Smith Debacle

(From 33:00)

• The PUA podcast panel debates Jada Pinkett Smith’s motives and Will Smith’s infamous slap.
• Bryan and Krissy mock the panel for offering pseudo-psychological explanations and for assigning blame to Jada (“classic PUA: it’s all women’s fault!”).

Pickup Artist “Wisdom” & Methodology

(40:00+)

• The PUAs tout their “essence” and “presence”—the idea that seduction is about cultivating anticipation, not “money or looks.”

  • "The anticipation... Sometimes it’s even greater than a kiss. Non kissing... real seduction, the essence of it is very feminine..." (Vince Kelvin, 32:13)

• Trivia: Vince claims to have 5,000 videos of kissing younger women; Bryan and Krissy ridicule this and question the reality.

  • "He is assaulting women almost basically super fast." (Bryan, 30:15)

• Adam’s approach: Create drama or dilemmas so women are compelled to “help” (ex: faking incompetence at a task so his wife steps in).

  • "I manipulated her into doing things that I wanted to do. And so that's what he's doing now with his current wife, which sounds super healthy." (Bryan, 43:53)

• Vince advocates “externalizing your internal debate”: Instead of making a decision, ask a woman (“Should I stay in Austin for two or three nights?”) to manufacture engagement and drama.

  • "I will present those little debates... Should I text her again? Should I not?... A higher solution is forward thinking..." (Vince, 45:32)

• Bryan sarcastically reframes: “Or send me $5,000 and I won’t come to Austin. Your debate. Your problem.” (Bryan, 53:28)

PUA Philosophizing & the Absurd

• The hosts highlight the pseudo-profundity, mock the constant need for drama, and note the irony that the “single guy” on the PUA show never actually speaks.
  • "They don’t even have the camera on him." (Krissy, 54:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Gypsy Rose:
  "[She] is a hero. She killed the woman who tortured her for years. Leave her be. It's goddamn enough." (Bryan, 02:02)

• On Trolling:
  "So, so brave of you to be behind that keyboard. So brave of you. How brave that must be." (Bryan, 06:15)

• On Activism Frustration:
  "We had 10 or 15 people show up... Everyone disagreed on exactly what was supposed to happen... So I handed the reins over to someone else... This was the most frustrating experience I've ever been a part of." (Bryan, 13:42, 15:26)

• On “Ask the Dating Coach” and Pickup Artists:
  "I feel like most of these guys are like hentai collectors.” (Bryan, 28:18)
  "Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Copernicus, Adam Lyons. These are forward thinking people." (Bryan, 44:49)
  "Listen, 3,000 years from now when we're all long gone and the aliens come down... they're gonna find these stupid fucking videos and they are gonna bounce off this planet..." (Bryan, 51:50)

• On Drama as a Dating Strategy:
  "A higher solution is forward thinking... channel the drama... instead of having the debate on the inside." (Vince, 45:08)

• On Nonsense PUA Advice:
  "We've come up with all this tactic. We're paving the way for the future ahead of us. What a tactic." (Bryan, 53:55)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 01:00 – 06:15: Gypsy Rose Blanchard segment; media and online toxicity
• 07:13 – 11:38: Reading the comments; intermittent fasting; shifting health advice
• 11:38 – 15:26: Personal stories on media overload, activism, leadership
• 17:53 – 22:17: AI and podcast interruptions; intro to PUA podcast segment
• 22:17 – 36:01: "Ask the Dating Coach" breakdown begins; PUA introductions; Will Smith/Jada Pinkett Smith drama analyzed
• 43:00 – 55:00+: PUA methodology, creating "drama," essence/presence discussions, further mockery by Bryan and Krissy

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, cynical, self-aware, sardonic
• Freeform banter, quick sarcastic rejoinders, playful ribbing of absurd internet personalities
• Plenty of mockery, explicit language, and no topic too taboo for comedy

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Summary

"Presence, Essence, & Drama" serves up exactly what The Commercial Break is known for: comedic dissection of internet culture, with a focus on the ridiculousness of both online mobs (whether trolling Gypsy Rose or diet trends) and egotistical “dating coaches” peddling well-worn, sometimes toxic ideas. Bryan and Krissy alternate between relatable asides (mental health, activism burnout) and over-the-top lampooning of a PUA podcast, exposing the weirdness and incoherence at the heart of the “pickup” industry—all while keeping it loose, unfiltered, and laugh-out-loud funny.

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For listeners new and old, this episode is a perfect encapsulation of TCB’s brand: a little chaotic, very critical, and always looking to find the comedy in the chaos of modern life and relationships.

Transcript

[Brian Green]

Oh, you're depressed.

[Eve Lyons]

Oh, you want to end it all?

[Brian Green]

There's nothing to live for. Do the wordle. There's something to live for every single day. Like we literally, we have. We have the cure for depression, okay? It only cures it for about two, two minutes and I cannot help you after that. I'm not. I'm not. I don't get paid for that. On this episode of the commercial break, I'm a professional analyzer along with my entrepreneurial entrepreneur in a kit system that you can buy for $49.99 plus 9.99 shipping and handling and my social media and account for $49.99 plus 99. I am also a professional breakdown artist. I'll break down any video, watch it professionally. I'll let you know what I think. 49.99 plus 99 shipping and handing. The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Yeah, boy. Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the beautiful co host of this goddamn show, Kristen Joy Hoadley.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Best bestie, right?

[Brian Green]

Best of you out there in the podcast universe. All right, we've avoided talking about this for the entire commercial break history, but now we're going to talk about it just for once. Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Maybe we've mentioned her once or twice, but I don't think so. So am I getting this right? That the Sunday separation for a visit, returning to Paris, enjoying local cuisine. Am I getting this right? That she was like engaged or the. The person who helped her murder her mother? Kill her mother. They were in like a long term romantic relationship while they were in jail or while she was in jail and then they got engaged and then she broke it off with him and then she started another relationship with another person after she got out of jail and now they're broken up and now she's back getting matching tattoos with the boyfriend she had right before she got out of jail?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, I don't know, but I don't know. Sounds right.

[Brian Green]

But you know, I'm reading a lot of shitty comments on the Internet. You know, listen, the chances of this woman ever having a normal relationship that goes as it does, you know, for some of us is 0.0. Give her a fucking break. Yeah, she didn't exactly have the greatest of modeling as a child and certainly no normal, normal relationship at all in the first however many years of her life. Give the girl a break. Let her do her thing. Who cares? Yeah, who cares? People, people, settle the down. It's like y' all are on next door. App for Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Leave it alone. That poor goddamn girl. She's been through enough in her life. Now she needs some Internet trolls talking about how she's a hussy because she's going back and forth between men. She is a hero. He killed the woman who tortured her for years. Leave her be. It's goddamn enough. I'm being serious. Why. Why are we all upset about Gypsy Road Blanchard? Gypsy Rose and her bows. Gypsy Rose and her bows.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

People are gonna be upset.

[Brian Green]

I know people make the biggest drama out of almost nothing, like we do on this show all the time. But this is different because I'm in the right and you're in the wrong. So there you go. Don't leave her alone. This poor girl. Just like she just needs to. She just needs to do whatever she needs to do to sort her wild oats. Because there's a lot of wild oats going on in that head of hers. I can't even imagine. This munch housing by proxy syndrome is like insanity. It's insanity. And, you know, she went through it. Went through. Maybe went through one of the worst cases of munch housing ever recorded or ever known about. And now she's out of a long jail sentence where she probably served her time. She served her time. She did her deed, she did the do. And now leave her alone. Who cares who she's with? It doesn't really matter. And like I said, she has zero good modeling to go after in her personal life. So, yeah, there's going to be some bumps and bruises along the way. First of all, you know, I know Gypsy has been seeking out media attention. She's been out there in the media. Right. But that. I think that's just kind of like the. The top off the steam kettle, so to speak. The truth is, this girl is going to have a long road to any kind of normalcy whatsoever. Even after years of being in jail, being vindicated and all this, and being kind of, you know, a flag bearer for heroes and in independence and taking your life back and doing the right thing and leaving shitty situations and as she rightfully should. Now leave her alone. Who cares who she's getting tattoos with, do you think? And if anybody paid attention to my love life over the last 30 years, you. You'd be surprised. Surprised at some of the things I did. How many times I went back to this person or that person or whatever under worse circumstances. Munchausen by girlfriend. That's what I was going Through. Yeah. Munchausen by girlfriend. Yeah, I'm sure of it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

People just. They don't have anything better to do.

[Brian Green]

No, they don'. I really don't write tcb bad TCB reviews and bust on Gypsy Rose and her bows. And I just don't even knows why we goes like this. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It's my little, little pros for the day.

[Brian Green]

It's my little pros. Gypsy Rose and her bows and no one knows how it goes when you have a little pros from your TCB Bros. You know what I'm talking about? There you go. All right. In the can, I had to mention that I see people making shitty comments online about this whole situation and I'm like, really, really, really? I mean, just take one minute in that pea sized brain of yours and think about how terrible the entirety of this life's woman up until recently has probably been and then go, give her a fucking break. Let her have a boyfriend or two. Who cares. Yeah. Imagine someone watch, going around watching your life 24 hours a day and who you were with and what you did. I can guarantee none of us would pass the mustard test with the Internet because the Internet is full of children. And I don't mean real children. There, there's that too. But I mean like you full grown men, children.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Man child.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, man. Children who just feel like they need to just, you know, if it has to do with a female, they have 10 things to say about it. And now I'm not. I'm. I'm guilty of this too. Sometimes. I'm sure I'm not completely absolved of my, you know, somewhere in my head, misogyny. Right, but. Or patriarchal. Part patriarchal thinking. But at the end of the day, anytime a woman says something on the Internet, on Instagram, on something, it's followed by at least 10%, usually more like 20 or 30% men, children going out there and saying terrible things for no reason whatsoever except seems to make other people feel bad. And it's so shitty. So, so brave of you to be behind that keyboard. So brave of you. How brave that must be. You woke up this morning, your mommy made you breakfast, you took off your super ruse underwear, and then you went behind your computer and mommy will make you lunch soon. Don't worry about it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So you don't read the comments.

[Brian Green]

You never read the comment. Gypsy Rose never read the comments. There's a little piece of advice from the TCB family, because if you read the comments, it's a state of instant and constant depression. Yeah, these two really do think they are funny. It's going to be my favorite review for the rest of my life. It really is. I mean, you know, there's, there's not a lot of original thinking out there when it comes to trolling, but this one was a good one. These two really do think, think they are funny. And yes, we do, by the way.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Think we laugh at each other.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I'm so mad about something else I read on the Internet, which is, you know, I've been doing this intermittent fasting for about six years now, so. And I've lost a lot of weight doing intermittent fasting actually.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

A lot of people do.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, a lot of people do. It works for a lot of people. You'll plateau eventually, but then you just go more extreme. Then you just starve yourself even more. But it's worked for me and it seems to put a little extra pep in my step and I feel good and I don't feel bloated all day long and you know, heavy belly and all that other.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

There's a lot of science behind it.

[Brian Green]

There was until some came along and now they've decided intermittent fasting is terrible for you also, which I'm having a hard time believing. You know, I just read this article like 3 weeks ago from this Italian doctor who's been studying all of these Italian mainly women who are living well into their hundreds. And this one village where everyone's living into their hundreds and they still smoke cigarettes and they still, you know, drink wine and they still do this. And they're not, you know, long distance runners or super athletes or anything. They're just living their life and they're not eating the Mediterranean diet. But what they do, do, do do. What they do do is they fast. That's kind of part of the, the culture over there is that they're, they're doing fasting so they're reducing their caloric intake to put less stress on the cells in their body. And his theory right now is that that has something to do with how long that they'. And so he shared that his hypothetes is that basically, you know, by eating less, you stress the body less and then by stressing the body less, your cells are younger, you live longer because your cells aren't always constantly in this state of, you know, processing food and all this other. I got all excited about that because I'm like, that's great. I'm here for it. Validated my most recent child. I'll be 97 when they graduate kindergarten. So I'm like, you know, if I can at least see them kindergarten, then I, I feel like I've done a good job. I've shepherded them through the most important part of their lives, which is the first four years. Trust me, I know this. And, and I got all excited about that. To then read three days later that intermittent fasting is now bad for you because it puts your body in some state of, you know, caloric shutdown or something. And ah, you're going to die. And I was like, God damn. Can anything be sacred? Is there anything sacred? Do we know anything about anything?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

No, no, of course it's going to be a counter argument to everything. I know, but why go what works for you?

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And why can't the people have the counter argument to the things I think are good? Why can't they just shut up? That's all I got. I mean, you know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, maybe you should write why can't.

[Brian Green]

I live in a wind tunnel? Where's my truth? Social for intermittent fasting. That's what I want to know. I just want to live on my own, knowing nothing else. That's all I want to do. I just want to know what I know and that and like what I like and just be on with it. But no conflicting reports and science quote unquote. Science with air quotes?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, just. You just don't read it.

[Brian Green]

Well, that's your solution and I just find out. I have a hard time. I'm so curious about everything that I have to go looking around for other Chrissy's like, I'm like, hey Chris, did you read about all this bad stuff? She's like, no, I didn't hear about that. I'm like, you didn't hear about that? The world's blowing up, stuff's on fire, trees, trees are jumping off cliffs. The whole world's in panic. You didn't even read about that? No, but I got this inspirational quote of the day. You want to hear it? And I'm like, how do you not know about this? And she's like, I just don't read it. And I'm like, that must be nice.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I like to skim the top stories of the day and then mourn for a minute, mourn all of the bad things that are happening and what I can help out with and then go on and read my nice news of the day and my inspirational quotes.

[Brian Green]

It must be nice. It must be nice. Ignorance is bliss. But I know you're not ignorant, but I'm saying you Know, ignorance of all the bad stuff must be nice. I did have one friend tell me. I think it was around when the whole New Orleans thing was going down with Hurricane Katrina. Yeah, I got really bummed out. I got really bummed out. I was really upset about the whole situation.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That was awful.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Just watching it all unfold in real time, screaming at the television, screaming at the politicians, screaming at everybody, you know, I was just like. I just felt so helpless and a little bit hopeless. And I think that was right around 2000. When did that happen, Katrina? 2004.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That sounds about right.

[Brian Green]

Okay, so, yeah, maybe a little bit later than 2005. I don't know. I don't want to get it wrong. But anyway, it was just not very long after 9 11. Like, we were still very much processing 9 11. But then Katrina was like, the war will be televised. It was all on tv. Even the TV anchors were like, please help. And I got so depressed. And so I was talking to my friend, and I'm like, spitting out all these facts and statistics and, why don't they do this? And why? And he said, you know what, dude? I said, what? He goes, I can help you instantaneously. I can help you with all this depression you're feeling around this. Turn off the tv. And I was like, what?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

How do you do that? Then you get in. Then I'm not gonna know. And he's like, that's exactly the point.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Exactly. Right?

[Brian Green]

He's like, you're. You are helpless. You can't go down to New Orleans right now. It's a floating disaster. Like, you can't go down there physically. He's like, so just turn off the tv. And I thought to myself, that doesn't work. That never works. I turned off the tv. It worked. I was like, oh, I'm cured. Look at that. I feel so much better.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I did help clean up a school down there in New Orleans after Katrina.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I did a couple fundraising things around Katrina here locally that the money was supposedly.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You do what you can do.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Probably bought the guy a new truck or something. I put the fundraiser together. A new truck. But, you know, I put together a fundraiser to buy myself a new truck so I can go down to Hurricane Katrina. And then when the oil spill happened.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, you and I really got. We organized. We did a group.

[Brian Green]

That's right. We had 10 or 15 people show up, and we held a restaurant. We held a meeting quickly. Everyone disagreed on exactly what was supposed to happen. And I handed the reins over to someone else. I Was like, you people couldn't even agree to do the right thing. They were like, you know, everyone was like. I was like, okay, let's, you know, this is what we should do. Should we take a vote on whether or not we should take a vote on whether or not we should vote on this is the right thing to do?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And I'm like, why? Like, this is why I started this group. Did you start this group or is this group a collective? Let's vote on whether or not we should take a vote on the collective. And I got so frustrated by the end of the meeting, I was like, you know what? Fuck it, I'm just going to send my money, I'm just going to send my money to an organization that's already. It was such a frustrating experience. It really was, because everyone, no one could agree on even the simplest of things. And so then I was, I started the meeting with an open mind and an open heart. You know, here's a couple of ideas. Yeah, here's a couple of ideas we have. We think we can help. Let's see if we could plan out some of these ideas. Wait one second there. You're just helping big oil around the back door by using gas to get down to what? And I was like, like, okay, you got a, like a super flying machine that doesn't use energy or something and we can get down there. Well, I don't, but we should really think about this. Let's think about it and take a vote. And I was like, oh, my God, guys, come on, let's just get together and do something. That's all I wanted to do was do something. And no one wanted to do anything except for sit around and talk about how we shouldn't have a leader of the group. And I'm like, we've already wasted three hours. This was frustrating experience I've ever been a part of.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You probably shouldn't get into politics.

[Brian Green]

No, no, no, no, no. I, you know, I, I, I abhor authoritarianism, but that's probably what I end up being. I'd be like, I just, that's all I'd want to do. It's just, well, let's just do it my way. Let's just do it my way and damn everybody else. I can see how easy it is as a politician or a leader to just get, get authoritarian real quick, like my way or the highway. Because if you ask everybody for their opinion, which is how democracy works, but if you ask everybody for their opinion, then you're really just, you know, no One's going anywhere quickly because everyone has different opinions. It's like it being on the, It's a lot like being on the Internet. You go on there and you think, oh, everyone's going to be on board with this one. And then you read the comments section and you're like, wow, there are a lot of fucking ignorant human beings out here. And this is really dissatisfying to me. I mean, honestly. Yeah, I do applaud. Like, I don't think politics is a particular. I think it's a, it can be a noble profession. I'm not sure that in 2024 it's a noble profess profession to serve the people and all that stuff. But I, I don't understand how they get anything done if they don't get anything done. Well, that's just the answer right there. They don't get anything done. But it's, it's so frustrating to organize people in a way that is equitable and makes sense. So when people do it correctly. I really am impressed by that. I really.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That's true. It takes a skill.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I'm just, I'm too fussy to be a politician, if I'm being honest. I think I'd just be irritated at everybody.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Also, there's just way too many things from your past that would prevent you from being.

[Brian Green]

Oh, well, I don't know. Let's think about that one, Chrissy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, let's think about that now.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I do not own, you know, large pieces of real, you know, let's not even get into it. But I, there, there are some things in my past. Yes, I've done a lot of drugs. I've had a lot of different jobs. I've been in a lot of different dalliances. You know, there's a lot of stuff to talk about if I was to be a politician. But, but I. After the last five years of American politics, I'm not sure that anything, anything disqualifies me anymore.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I agree.

[Brian Green]

I think you think of a lot worse things that other people have supposedly done and they're still sitting in office, running for office or hoping to be in office at some point in the future. So listen, I think all cards, all bets are off. All cards are on the table, I think. So you want to make a difference. Get stinking rich doing nothing. But, you know, politics is your game. That's, that's what I got to say.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Get into AI.

[Brian Green]

Oh, Jon Stewart's so right about AI. It does nothing. But it'll be, you know, it's ready to take over the world next Thursday. And you know, I don't.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, Frankie.

[Brian Green]

Hey, Frankie. Me, it's Frankie. Me, it's my mom. Because I have my mom on the emergency call, you know, so it comes through no matter what. And probably three episodes a week. My mom calls while I'm recording, even though I've told her, please don't. If it's not an emergency, please don't call during these hours. It's like, Juan, Juan and my mom are on the same schedule. As soon as I start recording, they have to be right in front of my face making noise. Blue Juan, my mom and the kids. That's what it is. That's right. So why don't I take this phone call from my mom and then when we get back, I got a special one for you. It's Friday, so we're doing video breakdowns as seen on tv. Chrissy. And today we're bringing back a favorite from the audience and a favorite of ours, a fan favorite. And I found a video I think blows the balls off of anything else we've done from this particular human being. And I'll share with you who that is after these words.

[Christina]

Well, thank the baby Jesus. Brian took a breath. And now I will use this opportunity to let you know that we've got a brand new phone number. That's right, it's 212 4. And you can text us anytime you want. Or you can call and leave us a voicemail and we might just use your message on the show once Brian gets through all the messages he missed last year. Of course. Anyway, you can also find and DM us on Instagram at the commercial break and on TikTok, CBpodcast. And of course, all of our audio and video is easily found on tcbpodcast.com Now, I'm going to thank G one more time that we have sponsors, so thank G. And here they are.

[Brian Green]

All right, real quick, I just wanted to mention before we get into the meat and potatoes today, Neil Brennan.com and his brand new Netflix special, Netflix Special. Please go watch it. It's available now. And thanks, Neil, again for coming on the show. And now I just read that Paul Shearer is up for a Webby Award for best podcast. And of course he's going to win it because we're. Paul wins every. You know, he's like Mr. Podcast America.

[Frankie]

He is.

[Brian Green]

I wish he would just share a little bit of that with us.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, you know, maybe we'll.

[Brian Green]

Can we be.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, can we kind of rub off on us.

[Brian Green]

Can we be the best podcast selected by the guy who won the best podcast? Is that like, can he donate half of his award to us? Is it something you could pass?

[Christina]

We can ask.

[Brian Green]

I will ask. I'll go on his Instagram and ask. I'll text him just like you did. All right. Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Thanks for being on the show. It was so great. And he said, I had a great time.

[Brian Green]

I had a great time. Says his production assistant, social media. Social media manager. All right, Adam, the Liar Lions is someone we have reviewed many time. Times on this show. Adam is an Internet personality who has reinvented himself many times over. But one thing that remains steadfast is that Adam is a pua. A pickup artist, and he talks with other pickup artists and he thinks he's the queen. I mean, this guy has never done anything wrong in his life. He's an Internet marketer. He's a pickup artist. He's a polyamory, you know, expert. Expert. He. He can talk about it. He's an entrepreneur. He'll teach you how to be a great entrepreneur. He'll teach you how to get your social media to a 10 from a 2. This guy does everything. I think he does whatever the money goes is. That's where Adam becomes an expert. And he's desperately trying to. To, you know, get his bag. Fine. Cool. No problem. So are we. But Adam is a. And so anything he does is a lot of fun to review because he's so dumb. I mean, the guy is just. Honestly, actually, he's not dumb. He's. He speaks rather intelligently, but he's dumb. He's like one of those dumb, intelligent people that, you know, where they, like, can speak really like me. These speak really well. They got the words, but they don't really say anything. There's not anything coming out behind there. So Adam gets together on his podcast and he gets. He's doing a show. This video we're going to review. He's doing a show with two other PUAs that we have reviewed. And now his one wife. So his one wife. Remember a couple a year ago on.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

ITV or what, the British show that we would watch, and he had his two wives.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. All of a sudden, he was a polyamory expert. And, you know, this is how you do it, and this is how you get it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So he lost one.

[Brian Green]

He lost one of them, actually. I'm not even sure this was one of them. This girl was one of them. Them. But they're doing a show together now. It's like, ask the dating coach or something. And they're bringing on two other completely foibled and dumb pua artists that we've also reviewed on this show in the past. And I think this is good fodder for the commercial break. This might be a two banger, Chrissy. We might have to do two episodes. All right, but let's see how it goes. Let's see how much of Adam we can take in one sitting before we make any promises. All right, let me pull it up there. Okay. So without further ado, I was trolling on the Internet as you do, as I do like to do. And up came Adam the Liar Lions. Here he is on his podcast, Ask the Dating Coach.

[Adam Lyons]

Welcome to Ask the Dating Coach. I'm your host, Adam Lyons, and I'm joined by my co host.

[Eve Lyons]

Hi, I am Eve Lyons. I am the wife of this beautiful Adam Lyons.

[Adam Lyons]

Excellent. And we have two.

[Brian Green]

Wow. Excellent, excellent. Thanks for talking. Now shut up. I am the coach. I am the a wife. Is she like Swedish or. She sounds Russian.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes, I think so.

[Adam Lyons]

Incredible hosts with us today, guest hosts. We are joined obviously by the wonderful.

[Vince Kelvin]

Lloyd Dixon from the single guy partners with Adam Lyons. And happy to be here.

[Brian Green]

And lastly, wow, what an original name. The single guy. Still the single guy. You know, I want to take dating advice from the single guy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

The very special guest, the original pickup artist, one of the first dating coaches ever to exist in America.

[Brian Green]

Not true. Untrue. Not true at all. No, he's not. I don't know what you're talking about, but we have reviewed this guy before.

[Adam Lyons]

Mr. Vince Kelvin.

[Vince Kelvin]

Wow.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I mean, whoa.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. His look is 79 years old and still wearing a mohawk. Yeah, yeah, he is old. I mean, he is old, objectively. And he's still wearing that dumb mohawk is the first time we saw him 600 episodes ago.

[Adam Lyons]

Such an honor to have you here today, bro. Like, it's so cool. So for those of you guys that don't know, we could argue that the grandfather of pickup artistry dating the correct.

[Brian Green]

The king poo poo of pickup artists is Mr. Kelvin Fancy Pants. The grandfather. That's exactly what he is. He's the grandfather. He's old enough to be all of our grandfathers and still wearing a red stained mohawk.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

Or the original system was speed seduction and you were one of the first people.

[Brian Green]

Speed seduction. Another word. Words. In other words, come up fast enough, hit him with enough.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Then try and kiss them. That's what it is. I've seen this guy's videos. He Basically attacks women on the street. And it's really disarming and alarming. Alarming and disarming for the women in the day. Right.

[Frankie]

Back in the days. Yeah.

[Eve Lyons]

Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

When was this, roughly, like, in terms of decades.

[Brian Green]

Of decades.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What does that mean?

[Brian Green]

I don't even know what that means. Yeah. Was it two decades ago? Was it the 70s, the 80s? Oh, Adam, that was even before the.

[Frankie]

The millennium. We talking 97, 98.

[Vince Kelvin]

Wow.

[Brian Green]

The whole 22 years ago. He's not the first pick apart.

[Frankie]

No.

[Eve Lyons]

Well, you look great. You know, skin routine.

[Adam Lyons]

So. What I love.

[Brian Green]

Oh, look at her. She's hitting on. Winking at him.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

She's attracted to him. Well, she's attracted to Adam. I'm sure this is a step up. Yeah. He's 52 years older and wearing a mohawk. It smells like yesterday's garbage. But it's better than Adam.

[Adam Lyons]

About Vince and I've, like, I've been saying this for ages. There's a lot of people on the Internet arguing, like, who's good at dating, like, who's the best dating coach, who's great? And nowadays, like, you know, 20, 23, everyone's saying it's about social states, even money.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Adam. Even Adam is. No, no, he's no.

[Brian Green]

Vince.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, no, yeah, I was gonna say he's not immune to also people saying who's the best? All the comment.

[Brian Green]

That's right.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Internet comments.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I can guarantee Adam reads every one of them. Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

Looks, you know, Vince knows we've been through this cycle, right? That was the early 2000s. Early 2000s. It was about money. Good luck.

[Brian Green]

Social stat. Full circle.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah. Previous to that.

[Brian Green]

Interesting. I learned yesterday in my English classes.

[Adam Lyons]

Everyone knew it was more about how you say things. The way you come across. When we go into past 2003, 2004, 2007, people knew it wasn't about money, status, good looks. It was about how you say things. So we go in these cycles and so we're in the news cycle of everyone believes it's all about this. What I love about you, Vince, and.

[Brian Green]

There is everyone believes it's all about this. It's a new cycle. It's a new day. It's a new day, It's a new dawn. Adam's trying to get something else to put off on women. This video has over 2000 views.

[Adam Lyons]

No insult here, but you are not the stereotypical, you know, beach boy, you know, muscular, ab wearing.

[Brian Green]

Neither are you.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

No, I was gonna say, are most pickup artists like that? None of the ones that we've seen.

[Brian Green]

I haven't seen one beefy, bulky dude yet. They're all like, they don't need. I don't know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

They don't need. They don't need schemes.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I feel like most of these guys are like hentai collectors, you know?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Right?

[Frankie]

Yeah. You're not.

[Adam Lyons]

You don't have that look, you know, and then other people will say it's about age, you know, and you are definitely over, like, 20.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

He is just throwing compliments at this guy, the grandfather. Also, you're so old.

[Brian Green]

You're very ugly. Yeah, you're old. How do you do it? Because I'm getting there, and I want.

[Adam Lyons]

To know, right, like, you're older than that. And so you stand against everything that everyone believes is what's needed.

[Brian Green]

Now.

[Frankie]

That scan have been my thing throughout the years. You know, like, as a shorter man, I dated women were super, super tall.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, well, then that says it all.

[Brian Green]

Such insightful commentary going on. Right now, Adam's debating who the original pickup artist is, what cycle we're in, and he's telling us how he's short but dated tall women. Yeah, that tells me everything I need to know. All my single woes are cured.

[Frankie]

You know, I wanted to defy the odds and undo all false notions.

[Brian Green]

I think your hair is defying the odds, actually.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

With the hair, you might have been the same height with the tall women.

[Brian Green]

Imagine his bed head. Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

Which I love. And for those you guys that don't know, like, I have literally witnessed this man. And you can too. You can go on YouTube. You can watch him. He makes out with women 20 years younger than you, you that are gorgeous, that you meet on the street. Within how long of meeting them?

[Brian Green]

Within how long of meeting, they give me an answer.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

How long?

[Brian Green]

5, 10, 15. It's an average of 52 weeks.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

The proof is there online.

[Brian Green]

It's all on there. You can go watch it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It's proof.

[Brian Green]

Oh, Adam's so happy to have this guy on. I mean, I don't know what's going on here, but Adam has a man boner over this. This dude. And I've seen the guy's videos. It is not great. He is. He is assaulting women almost basically super fast.

[Frankie]

It get happens super fast.

[Adam Lyons]

And it's just incredible because I don't care what you think in life, you just have to watch this guy in, like. And how many videos do you have of you doing makeouts?

[Brian Green]

Like, honestly, how fast do you do it? How many videos do you have?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Did he research this guy at All.

[Brian Green]

Oh, oh. Adam wakes up and this guy has. He has a picture of this guy in his mirror and he's like, you can do it, Adam. You be just like Kelvin.

[Frankie]

You know, I, I count about 5,000.

[Christina]

Whoa.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Eve Lyons]

5,000 videos.

[Brian Green]

5,000 videos. No. Hand authored manuscripts. What do you think? What do you think Kelvin's running around doing?

[Frankie]

I'm still counting. We're still digging new ones all the time. I, I don't, I don't think that it's 5,000, but it's.

[Brian Green]

I don't think it's 5,000. Actually, I make a little bit of a lie. It's more like 50, but you know, go find out for yourself.

[Frankie]

It's so significant, it's ridiculous.

[Adam Lyons]

Is it over 10?

[Christina]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

I feel like.

[Brian Green]

He could do it all, folks. Adam the liar Adam, he's in control.

[Frankie]

I use myself to look back, you know?

[Eve Lyons]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

This. This girl, what is going on with her? I don't know. Gave her some opium before she came on or something.

[Frankie]

The quantity of saliva.

[Eve Lyons]

Sexy.

[Brian Green]

Gross.

[Vince Kelvin]

You can start a new calling.

[Eve Lyons]

Can you make sure to pick up the closer to the mic, please? See that?

[Adam Lyons]

Oh yeah, we'll get you perfect.

[Frankie]

See, despite all the kissing, I'm too far from the mic.

[Brian Green]

Exactly.

[Eve Lyons]

Can you describe again what those kisses contained?

[Brian Green]

Wow.

[Frankie]

I'm gonna describe it differently. Other than the saliva. My favorite part of kissing is the anticipation. It's when you still don't know if it's gonna happen or not. And sometimes it's even greater than a kiss. Non kissing or like. No. Will it happen or not? I always said seduction, real seduction. The essence of it is very feminine and it's a pan.

[Brian Green]

The essence, the essence of the anticipation of kissing my mouth with all the cavities and saliva. And I forgot to brush my teeth this morning. You will love it. Nothing like a Kelvin Belvin is what I call it is when I stick my tongue and lick the top of the roof of your mouth.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So weird.

[Brian Green]

Oh my God. Option.

[Frankie]

Will it be? It might not be. That's the best part of it. Once it is, once it has been.

[Adam Lyons]

You know, I mean, you heard it here. It's schrodinger's makeout from 100.

[Frankie]

What?

[Adam Lyons]

This is. We, we are going to have a very interesting topic today, guys. And for everybody who is watching at.

[Brian Green]

Home and the other guy who joined them, the other pickup artist has not even been introduced.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Everything's focused on Calvin.

[Adam Lyons]

He's huge. The topic is Jada Smith, which is Will Smith's wife, supposedly.

[Eve Lyons]

Oh, she's famous for?

[Adam Lyons]

Well, no, she was an actress in her own right. Obviously she was also an actress, but. But for this specific subject, we know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That'S all she's famous for.

[Brian Green]

What is going on in this clown show? Oh, I love it. I'm so interested.

[Adam Lyons]

She just came out and said that as far as she's concerned, her and her husband, Will Smith have been separated for six years during the entanglement thing.

[Vince Kelvin]

That she was talking about.

[Brian Green]

Boom. Podcast in a can.

[Adam Lyons]

Well, apparently so. But this is where this gets interesting. That means when he said to Chris Rock, get my wife's name out your damn mouth. And then he hit Chris at the Oscars, which caused him to retroactively lose his Academy Award and be banned from the Academy.

[Brian Green]

Is this TMZ or are we doing ask the dating Coach? What's going on here?

[Adam Lyons]

He was defending his wife as far as he was concerned, but she didn't perceive them being married during that moment.

[Vince Kelvin]

Yeah. So it sounds like he was trying to mind blown.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I don't see anybody asking a question.

[Brian Green]

There's nobody asking a question because there's nobody listening to this stupid show. Just like us.

[Vince Kelvin]

Like win her back or something. Or he maybe felt like they weren't together so he was trying to overcompensate. Right.

[Adam Lyons]

Now if you. Do you remember the exact scenario of what happened? Like play by play? Cuz I. I watched it and I've analyzed it over and over.

[Vince Kelvin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Green]

I'm. I'm a professional analyzer along with my entrepreneurial entrepreneur in a kit system that you can buy for 49.99 plus $9.99 shipping and handling and my social media. And I can for 49.99 plus 99. I am also a professional breakdown artist. I'll break down any video. I'll watch it professionally. I'll let you know what I think. 49.99 plus 99 shipping and handing.

[Vince Kelvin]

I did a breakdown, I think on my Instagram, but I think you did one too. That's a bit better.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah. So for me, here was the steps. Chris made a joke about her.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh my gosh.

[Adam Lyons]

Which causes her to lose.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Why are they analyzing this?

[Brian Green]

Because what they're going to get into is the relationship part of this. And so what Adam is doing now is he's pre. He's like, you know, he's prepping us all for his ingenious analyzation of what happened during the Oscars.

[Adam Lyons]

And Will laughed. Then Will looks at her. She gives him a look like, this isn't Funny. Will reacts visibly, getting angry, and then starts getting aggressive with Chris Rock. So initially, Will's initial reaction was not to defend her. His reaction to her facial expression was, I'm gonna step in and do something because I'm being made to feel that I'm doing something. Something wrong.

[Brian Green]

Right.

[Adam Lyons]

So the question here is, how do we feel about the fact that this woman is now saying, oh, yeah, we weren't even together then?

[Brian Green]

That's. Everybody's wanted to know exactly what Adam's thinking about this, and now we have an opportunity to hear it right on our own show. I'm so excited. Adam, tell us more.

[Vince Kelvin]

I mean, she could be lying, too, you know, like, if someone says that they're like, maybe she's just justifying her behavior after the fact. Like, maybe she didn't act very good. Now she's just saying that they're separated because, like, hey, well, you know, if I was doing all this other stuff, then it's okay. But I know they've openly admitted that they've been in an open thing for pretty much since they've been married, I think. So I don't know why she feels the need to say that they're separated if that was also the case. I don't know.

[Adam Lyons]

I. I've got a theory on why she feels the need.

[Brian Green]

Here it comes. Here comes the knowledge. He's about to drop the bomb. Chrissy, is everybody ready?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What's his theory going to say?

[Adam Lyons]

In a minute, but I want to see. What do you guys think about this?

[Eve Lyons]

I think she's grabbing for attention. I think, you know, job is slow. Right. There is not much acting. I haven't seen anything from her, basically.

[Brian Green]

Right. So mean.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

She's been in a ton of stuff.

[Brian Green]

Coming from a woman who's starring to an. Ask the dating coach.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

With Adam and the other guy.

[Eve Lyons]

Bad PR Is still PR Right. So, you know, in my opinion.

[Frankie]

Right.

[Eve Lyons]

Because, again, even if that's true, Right.

[Brian Green]

Who cares?

[Eve Lyons]

Seven years, six years separate. Why drag it through the press, especially? It's been happening for so many years, basically, you know.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah, absolutely. Vince, what do you think?

[Brian Green]

Drag what through the press? The fact that someone got got slapped live on national television between two of the most, you know, prominent actors and comedians of our time. That was. That was made for the press lady.

[Frankie]

You know, we're all very adorable because we're still not that far from having been little kids. So I think this an element that's probably very childish. Like, I got hurt, and I want to hurt you.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

That's typical, right? Yeah, that's typical. I mean, speaking to you as somebody was married five times.

[Brian Green]

Oh, it keeps getting better.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah. So you're super successful.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that's exactly why I want to take dating advice from.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

And to. I do the same. Sometimes we. We feel hard and we go like, I hate you. And anyway, you mean so we were not even together. So I, I may be off with that, but I perceive it as a. A very like non mature response. Yeah, maybe.

[Eve Lyons]

You're definitely the most qualified person to talk about so many marriages under your belt.

[Adam Lyons]

You know, so many marriages, plenty of children, plenty of makeouts.

[Brian Green]

This is like the view for.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It really is.

[Brian Green]

This is the pure viewer. Like the view for emotionally stunted human beings.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, what is happening?

[Adam Lyons]

Just keeping to the fact. So here's my belief. I believe I actually agree with you. I think she's not really doing much in the media in terms of like her career, but anytime she talks about their relationship in a controversial way, she gets in the media, she gets in the news. Like we just saw a moment. Like, if you ever follow Logan Paul, I think Logan Paul is amazing from his marketing skills.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah. Anybody who worships Logan Paul has got to be right on the top of things.

[Adam Lyons]

Impressed with. He will often do a publicity stunt and then afterwards explain how it was pre scripted, how he planned it out, and he knows he gets eyeballs. So he's about to go into a new fight against the bare knuckle boxer. And during the interview, this also happened today or in the last 24 hours. He threw his water bottle at the guy's stomach. The guy reacted by throwing his microphone at Logan Paul's head, cutting him open, blood going everywhere. And Logan Paul, the question is like, is he gonna fight now? And he says he's still gonna fight. But the point is that did exactly what Logan Paul wanted it to do. Everyone is now talking about, will he fight, won't he fight? Which means there will be more eyeballs on the fight.

[Brian Green]

Like, this is such incredible insight on these people's behalfs. I don't even. I can't even explain. Let's take a break. I'll try and wrap my head around exactly what's going on. I also want to find a specific part of this, this video we might fast forward for the sake of clarity so we don't have to get through this part of the. We'll go to some other part of the where they actually talk about relationships. So let's take a break and we'll be Right back.

[Christina]

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[Brian Green]

All right, we're back and we are talking. We are listening to the podcast made by Adam the Liar Lions. It's called Ask the Dating Coach. For the first seven minutes of this video, they talked about, for whatever reason, the Will Smith situation. This is recorded back in December, I think, actually, obviously December of 2023. But I'm not interested in hearing any more of his pontification about how Will Smithing smash Will slapping Chris Rock live on air is somehow his wife's fault. I don't understand how that what that's all about, but that's typical. That's typical thinking from Adam the Lions. It's all women's fault. It's all their problem. And they're to be manipulated and figured out by him, the man. So now let's get to the actual dating advice part of this, which I think is much more funny and probably more pertinent to the commercial. So here we're going to pick up where they're talking about picking up women and the necessity to create drama around a situation so that women act more quickly. It's fucking crazy.

[Adam Lyons]

I bought all the stuff for it. You know, it literally cost like 300 bucks because action figures and I set it all up on the living room floor in front of her while she was reading a book. And I'm just like, taking pictures, knowing that she's a professional photographer. Took like 20 minutes before she told me what I was doing wrong. Thirty minutes later, she's now in there with me helping me take pictures.

[Eve Lyons]

Step aside.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brian Green]

Right?

[Eve Lyons]

That's not how you do it.

[Frankie]

Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

I'm like, no, I got this. I'm pretty sure if I turn all the lights off, it looks better. It's like, no, you idiot. Like, you know but that's the point. I would rather do that than sit next to her reading a book. Fast forward six weeks and she says, all we do is sit on the sofa and read books.

[Brian Green]

Oh, so you want to play with your figurines?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Didn't he say something similar to this in another video that we watched? It was about how he had his friend come over and he would act like he was going to clean and then she would say, no, you're not doing it right, and then she would just do it.

[Brian Green]

He manipulated her into doing things that he wanted to do. And so that's what he's doing now with his current wife, which sounds super healthy. I'm no therapist, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna pick up pointers from him.

[Frankie]

That's brilliant. You know, that really validates. This is interesting.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Frankie]

It was not too long ago. I was in the middle of a coaching session and the person's request that day was, I want to be more like, let's say somebody like Adam Lyons.

[Brian Green]

Okay, well, you know, I just happen.

[Frankie]

To know Adam Lyons and they really.

[Vince Kelvin]

They really said that genuinely.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In my mind I just said that right now when I made it up, up. And no one said that. I want to be more like Adam Lyons.

[Frankie]

Genly. I, I thought, okay, what a coincidence. What. What would be a characteristic of Adam that would assist this gentleman? I said, you know, Adam is very forward in his thinking. It's very growth oriented. I don't ever.

[Brian Green]

Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Copernicus, Adam Lyons. These are forward thinking people.

[Frankie]

Yeah, you not stating something forward. A solution. You're extreme. A beautiful extreme example of solution oriented thinking.

[Brian Green]

Thank you.

[Frankie]

Go forward. And that's what I suggested to the person. Now I love. It brings up the interesting element of. First, how could a person gauge the level of drama of the other person? That. That would be. That would be essential. And I know it's not easy. I often hear people say, how do you know if a person is overly dramatic or not? And here, like a side note for.

[Brian Green]

Me, if you show up on ask of the dating coach, it's likely your drama switch is stuck at 11.

[Frankie]

Fine. You know, you mentioned age before. I'm 55 years old.

[Brian Green]

No, you're not. Stop that. That's. That is.

[Frankie]

Oh, yeah, heading to 56. So it's an interesting age. It's like the age of trans.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It's the age where you should not be wearing that hairstyle. I'll say it's the age where you.

[Brian Green]

Should not be a pickup Artist. So that's a Frankie B.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

After married five times.

[Brian Green]

That's right.

[Frankie]

Everything that I valued, that I, I, I sought so strongly is not going to, to lead to like. Okay, there's got to be more to it than all of that. And I was really moved by the thinking of call Young.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Wow.

[Brian Green]

From Calvin. From a man child who still wears a three and a half foot high red mohawk.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

All without knowing it. Caught in a debate. And every day all the clients that I help, they caught in a debate. Should I text her again? Should I not? Should I stay with her? Should I not? Should I go with multiple? Should I just, should I go as multiples?

[Brian Green]

I could guarantee you anybody who's showing up to Kelvin's class is not having an opportunity to go with multiples. What are you doing? Hitting on twins? Yeah. Should I go for that? For the quintuplets over there, or should I just stick with one woman? I don't know.

[Frankie]

Or that. So two things and your own personal debate. I mean, it's fascinating. If we have an interesting debate, like now that's one thing.

[Vince Kelvin]

Yeah.

[Frankie]

If all we, let's say, you know, man, this is an interesting area. Should I relocate? Should I not? Let's think about it. But that constant, like, should I this, Should I that? If we don't pay attention to it, it's subtle. Yeah, it's wasted. That's part of the trigger that like creates that we want out of it. I don't want that debate anymore.

[Brian Green]

I don't want his tongue down my throat anymore. It's these little things, back and forth, these little decisions. Don't worry about it. Just let my tongue flow down the back of your throat. Let my silky smooth saliva intermingle with yours as I lick the roof of your mouth with my leathery tongue.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yuck.

[Brian Green]

Will you be my sixth wife every day.

[Frankie]

And if I solve an aspect of the debate, there's gonna be another one. So a higher solution is forward thinking, like you guys. Beautiful. And then personally at a pickup standpoint, you know, let's see you having an interaction to channel the drama instead of having the debate on the inside. Should I text her? Should I not text her a debate? I'm a champion of that. I will present those little debates.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Text her a debate.

[Brian Green]

That's all I want it from Kelvin. I am trying to decide whether to picture your nipples while I'm whacking off my 67 year old.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What do you think?

[Brian Green]

What is your opinion?

[Frankie]

Like, oh my God, I'm going to Austin, Texas. Do I stay two nights or three nights help. And they're on right away as help.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I'm going to Austin, Texas. Should I say two nights or three nights?

[Brian Green]

Help. Yes, help. That.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That's part of the pickup because I.

[Brian Green]

Don'T have a place to stay, so it's really up to you. What's your address? I have no specific purpose for going to Austin except your. So you tell me three or two nights. Three nights. How many nights can you take me?

[Frankie]

Most women would agree they won't want it. So you got to channel the drama. And I'm inspired. Like, I feel it.

[Adam Lyons]

Your presence is that look I love.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Hanging on the world.

[Brian Green]

Your essence.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I feel it.

[Brian Green]

Just look at that guy. Look at Adam. He's so happy. He's so happy his grandpa came home to teach him the wisdom of his ways. It's like young Skywalker has just met Yodot. As my kid would say, yodot not. This is. This is ultimately useless information and a completely nonsensical debate. But okay, let's keep rolling.

[Vince Kelvin]

You're saying give the women you're dating, like, options? Is that what you were saying?

[Adam Lyons]

So what do you.

[Eve Lyons]

And indecisiveness and I always tell our coaching clients still on the phone be like, hey, well, you know, like, do you want to sign up? Like, oh, no, let me think about it for a week. I'm like, what are you going to think about for a week? Oh, my God. God. I look at my finance like, for a week, you know, like, oh, my. All you're doing is robbing time from yourself.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So she's going for the hard sell. I know with the coaching sessions. That's what she's saying.

[Brian Green]

What do you do? Think about money. Now let's take a look at your finances right now. FaceTime me. FaceTime me. Let me look at what security. Yeah. What is your Social Security number? What's that? Credit card number. I'll see if it goes through. Your finances are fine. Don't worry about about it. $7,000 for next coaching class.

[Eve Lyons]

It's either yes.

[Brian Green]

I thought I was with Adam. He's busy. Don't worry about it. I'm just as good.

[Eve Lyons]

Or a no. But decide right if it's a no that you can be a no and go do something else. If it's a yes, let's go. Right. But I'm going to think about it for a week or a month. Oh, I always. I let in the m. 24 hours tomorrow. You let me know. Otherwise, forget my 24 hours.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You better give it up, buddy.

[Brian Green]

Wow. The Russian hammer. The hammer and the sickle coming right down on you. Look at that. That's why these Russians, they're. They're smart business people. They don't. They. They'll break your. Your twigs and berries if you don't answer for 24 hours. Yeah.

[Adam Lyons]

I love this. It's so. And this is why I freaking love you, Vince, by the way. Like, for everyone who's like, never heard of Vince Calvin, by the way, like, first of all, you're robbing yourself of looking at the guys that have paved the way for all the new people to come.

[Brian Green]

But, like, paved the way. The founding fathers of. Of female manipulation. Is that something to be proud of? How proud are you?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Pave the way.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Listen, 3,000 years from now when we're all long gone and the aliens come down and they start excavating and, you know, looking for, you know, signs of life and all that, they're gonna find these stupid fucking videos and they are gonna bounce off this planet knowing there was zero hope for anything to work out.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Intelligence.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. They're gonna go. That's how far they got in 50,000 years. That's how far they got Adam. The lions.

[Adam Lyons]

There is so much wisdom in what he said, right? So much. Like, there are a lot of guys that like, you know. You know, don't be a. Like just make a decision, right? There are those kind of guys. Like. Or just pick, right? Or just do the action. No, there's so much more power in. First of all, understanding. Debates are great. Personal debates are terrible.

[Brian Green]

Right?

[Adam Lyons]

Which is. Which is the first thing that Vin said, which I agree with 100. I'm exactly the same. Any minute I am having an internal discussion. And I'd never even voiced it until you said it, by the way. So that. That's fabulous. That needs to fabulous.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Pulling out, you know, all the elements of Adam.

[Brian Green]

He's just. He's just like the Chris Rock slap. He's dissecting every moment. Chrissy. He's pulling out all the nuggets.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I know.

[Brian Green]

He's giving it to us in completely incoherent, digestible bites.

[Adam Lyons]

And straight away. And I do.

[Vince Kelvin]

How do you end it, though?

[Adam Lyons]

So we'll get there. He gave a solution. One is make the debate an opportunity to talk to another woman, send the debate to her and let her deal with it.

[Eve Lyons]

It's horrible now, right? She gonna decide that he's saying two nights or three nights, you know, it's up to her.

[Brian Green]

Brilliant. It's brilliant. Your problem now should you send me $4,000 for my trip to Austin or not? Your debate. Your problem.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Throwing it to you.

[Brian Green]

Or send me $5,000 and I won't come to Austin. Your debate. Now you take care of it. Okay, I'll be here. Kelvin and peace out. Kelvin out.

[Adam Lyons]

Right? It's kind of like the idea of like the guy that tossed a coin to make decisions or roll the dice to make decisions.

[Brian Green]

Right.

[Adam Lyons]

We always just said yes. Like in his situation, he's saying, always. Just ask another woman. What a great opportunity to continue a conversation. Go on a dating app and just send it to. Hey, I'm flying to Austin tomorrow. I don't know if I'm saying two or three nights. Can you pick for me?

[Frankie]

Right.

[Adam Lyons]

Like, and you send that to 200.

[Brian Green]

Oh, it's brilliant. It's brilliant. We've come up with all this tactic. We're paving the way for the future ahead of us. Us. What a tactic. I bet you have at least 300 douchebags out there that are trolling Tinder, just throwing out questions. Yeah. I have to pee. Should I go or not? Your problem, your issue. Kelvin out.

[Adam Lyons]

Imagine like, hey, what's up?

[Frankie]

Happy Wednesday.

[Adam Lyons]

Yeah. Do I stay for two nights or three?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Like, what Wednesday? Oh, my God, I love it.

[Brian Green]

I think this is so fascinating how these douchebags. It was all fake.

[Eve Lyons]

Yeah. Actually I was responding too, like thinking about it. Right.

[Frankie]

But I still don't know if I should stay two or three nights.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I think it's that other guy that they basically tossed it aside and he's.

[Brian Green]

Got this weird laugh and he keeps.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

The single guy.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, the single guy. They don't even have the camera on him.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I know. Yeah, he's out.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. You can see how important he is to Adam is not important.

[Eve Lyons]

You gotta write down all the answers, compare who's who, you know, who's won.

[Brian Green]

He is staring directly at her tits. Do you see that? Yeah, The. The guy that. We don't even know his name because he hasn't been introduced yet. On the left hand side of the panel, there's four of them sitting from left to right. Obviously there's a single guy who is young, you know, good looking dude. He's talked a little bit here, but then the wife of Adam, then Adam, and then this guy Kelvin with the crazy haircut and the whatever, crazy outfit. But the guy on the far left, we just, you know, I paused the video so that Chrissy and I could, you know, be as dumb as possible. And he is staring directly at Adam's wife's tits. It's so obvious.

[Adam Lyons]

You know what?

[Brian Green]

Still staring.

[Frankie]

Like most misunderstood steps I took was a program called God Given Game. God Given Game and Triple G. What up?

[Brian Green]

Triple G represent from the house, Austin, Texas, two or three nights. What up.

[Frankie]

Right there. It will be easy and I love that I can easily be misread. So a bit like of the final frontier. But I'm all about core healing for both men and women. And in that program, what I wanted to utter that was totally misunderstood, the God Given Game would be. It's already there. If. If. Let's say I don't know what to say. That's what I should say. I don't know what to say, but you grab my attention. Then I realized that I'm not really comfortable. And forgive me, but I'm not really comfortable.

[Brian Green]

Oh my God, let me have verbal diarrhea all over you because that'll make me me feel better about myself, right? I think we might have to dig a little further into this now. I'm finally starting to have fun. The first couple of minutes I was like, oh, this isn't, this isn't what I wanted to do.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And that's all you have to say, Brian. Just say that out loud.

[Brian Green]

I did. I said, let me take a break and we'll find out the interesting part of this video. Sorry. For those of you that suffered during the second segment of the show, we promise we'll give you more tomorrow, be or whenever, next week, next Wednesday, whatever it is. Because that's what we do, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, is give you more content. Hey, listen, I wanted to mention that you can listen to us now on the Odyssey app. Download that app, favorites, local radio stations, streaming music, and of course, the commercial break podcast along with a lot of great others. Any podcast, really, you can get on the Odyssey app, but download it onto your phone, your tablet, or listen on your [e-mail] that's a U D A C E Odyssey. They're the new home of the commercial break. They're our network. They are lovely. We just love them. Kisses and hugs to all our friends over there. And after you visit the Odyssey app, go to the TCB podcast app, listen or tp tcb podcast.com listen a second time on our or watch all the videos, all the audio, all the video places. All the places, all the places you can get this silly little show. But if you go to the website, all the audio, all the video, and find out more about the show, you can also get your free TCB bumper sticker available by going to the contact us button drop down menu. I want my free sticker. Give us your physical address. We will send it off now. Do you want to be one of the people besides the Paul Shears, Neil Patrick Brennan's and Margaret shows of the world who talk on the commercial break? Because I do most of the air filling here, Chrissy. Can't get in a word in edgewise, but if you want to try, we'll have you on and then we can see who talks more. You can do that by texting us 212-433-TCB 212433, 3822 toll free from anywhere in the world. Text us or leave us a voicemail. Tell us what you want. You want to come on the show about, you know, ask TCB's advice. You have a question, a comment, a concern, a story, whatever it is, let us know you want to be on and we'll tell you how to get there. Add the commercial break on Instagram, TCB podcast on tick tock and YouTube.com commercial break. All right Chrissy. I do believe that's all I will do today.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I think so.

[Brian Green]

But I know I'll see you tomorrow. So I love you.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I love you.

[Brian Green]

Best to you, best to you and best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time. Chrissy and I always say, we do say and we must say good, goodby. I get asked.