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Chilling in the mountains of Peru Drinking ayahuasca with the shaman stew Help us have made the shift the mood I've been learning about myself Finding out my truth I've been healing my soul child the best medicine I've been learning shit from the aliens like how we're all connected to the pyramids and how we used to use them for time traveling Now I'm astral projecting Remembering how to navigate the ether Sound heals Didgerido singing bowls Every lyric medicinal True sound transforms DNA My mind's making things move Any infection I heal that too I've been doing things your brain can't compute they'll say it's magic but you could do it too Just open up your heart and let it channel through.
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On this episode of the commercial break, I, I just don't think you would be talking about it in this way if it was a super meaningful experience hanging out. No, it's not. No, it's not a butt cheek on us. Not. It's not a butt cheek kind of situation. It's a, it's a disembodiment is what it is. And I've talked about it a lot and I've talked about it on this show. So I don't want to be a hypocrite here and say that, you know, but I'm not doing that for views. I'm just sharing my. I mean, maybe.
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C
And luckily you kept your butt cheeks to yourself.
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B
I don't know that I did, but I don't think anybody would have noticed had I everyone else was doing it too. For the shaman and the paramedics in the room, the next episode of the commercial break starts now. Oh yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Greene. This is my co host for the moment, Tina Bestie. You, Tina Bestie, Brian, and best of you out there in the podcast universe, Chrissy, we hope, limping her way back from info to return next week. No, I actually texted with her and she's, she's on her way home, kids. She's on her way home. So hopefully we'll have her back here next week and, and I'll be excited to see her back in the chair. But I've really enjoyed having you here for the last couple of weeks. It's been a lot of fun. It's, it's different. It's been, you know, every once in a while you shake things up. It turns out turned out in our favor. I really have enjoyed our conversation. I've actually had a Few text messages already about our conversation yesterday with your chat GPT, which was very interesting indeed. I'm probably not the first to interview. I'm not the first to interview an AI agent on air, but I thought it was a good conversation that we had with your chat GPT agent. You go back and listen to that if you want to. I am. Right now, I'm on episode three and a half of Monsters, the Ed Geen story. And it is getting weird. I mean, it was weird from the beginning, but now it's getting really weird. And I do have to say that this is. I mean, I have liked all of them. I like the OJ one, I like the Versace one.
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C
Yep.
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B
I liked Monsters. The Menendez brothers was excellent. So good. And now the OJ One, he has done it again with the Ed Gein story. It's really fascinating the way he intertwines.
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C
The pop culture aspect of, like our horror flicks right in with it. So I love that he contextualized it with what was happening in the world.
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B
Like you, like 30, 40 years later. Yeah.
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C
Listen to true crime stories and they don't often tell you who's president. They don't really tell you what's going on globally. This sort of gives you a really wholesome perspective.
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B
It's got holistic. Yeah, he. He looks at Ed's world and understand it in context. And Ed Gein, who is known to be like, he is the basis for a lot of the very monstrous things that we see in horror movies. Halloween, Leatherface, Psycho being really the very first kind of horror horror movie from Alfred Hitchcock. Silence of the Lambs, I think, just kind of really rips off Ed Gein's story for the most part.
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C
Rips it off completely, in my opinion. I mean, the horror part of it.
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B
That's right. Yeah, it does. And then it throws in some very interesting characters and brings it to the 21st century. But. And Silence of the Lamb, Lambs is a truly fantastic movie. If you haven't seen. Made a lot of news at the time when it came out, it was on everybody's lips. It was just the movie that you had to see because it's at that time kind of indescribable what goes on in that movie now. We've seen this storyline play out a million other times since then.
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C
Sure.
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B
But the cross dressing, making masks out of skins, making whole costumes out of skins, lampshades, ashtrays out of dead body parts, necrophilia, like kind of this repression of a certain kind of sexuality along with a overbearing mother figure turned. And schizophrenia turned Ed into a monster himself. And his story in and of itself is not the worst serial killer we've ever seen, not the most prolific, but the.
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C
The deeds might be the most insane.
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B
The things that he did with the bodies, dead or alive or in between. When he did it. And he didn't kill a ton of people, what he did was he was really into necrophilia and the fascination with dead people and their skins and their bones, and he just didn't look at them like people. He saw them as objects to be played with, an art to be made and just like fucked up shit. And I love how Ryan Murphy has taken that and contextualizes it like you.
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C
Brilliant.
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B
Yeah, in diff. I'll just share a little bit and you can go watch it yourself. But Psycho, Alfred Hitchcock took the Ed Gein story, the book that. That was written called Psycho about Ed Gein. He took that and he made it into a movie. And at the time, you can only imagine the 50s, the 19, late 40s, early 50s cinema was kind of a newish art form, especially talking cinema. And Alfred Hitchcock makes this bloody gory up movie about Ed Gein.
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C
It was like the first sex and violence sort of expose.
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B
It was. And the way that people reacted to that, they were terrified, they were horrified.
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C
And they loved it.
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B
And they loved it. They loved every minute of it. Still one of the most classic movies ever. I mean, Psycho is on the top 10 list of every movie ever.
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C
Oh, yeah.
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B
Alfred Hitchcock created a masterpiece out of kind of the most like the. The devilish, gruesome, most devilish parts of humanity, like the really the underbelly of humanity. And his whole point was to bring it out into the light, to say, we want to pretend that this doesn't happen, but it does happen. I want to show it the way that it does happen. And so he. He intertwines the Ed story with the making of Psycho and what was going on at the time on the set. It's just fascinating. It's fascinating. Good for you, Ryan Murphy. I mean, make a million more.
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C
Brilliant.
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B
I know. Make a million more. The Jeffrey Dahmer story.
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C
And I cannot wait. Lizzie Borden, that. I think it's in the early 1900s. She kills her family with ax. You know, there's like a little nursery rhyme.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
Okay.
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B
I know.
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C
Okay, so that's what he's doing next. I cannot wait.
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B
Lovely. Keep him coming. Keep them coming, keep them coming. I mean, it's terrible. It's like a train wreck. You can't stop watching.
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C
We love it.
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B
I love it.
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C
We can't get enough of it.
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B
The Jeffrey Dahmer story, that was also so well done. That was so good. I wanted 12 more episodes of that.
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C
Yep.
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B
I was fascinated by that case because I was alive when that all started to unravel. And that was a fascinating, fascinating case. A terrible case. And. And people, A lot of people lost their lives in the most vicious of ways. But this is a really well done crime drama. I love it. Super dark. Yeah. If you're this my wife Assert would never be able to watch not even a half a minute of this. But I just love it. I love watching it. And I am in tandem watching Task. The HBO I don't have and give you my login. Task is excellent. It's excellent. In a tradition, in a long line of HBO making great crime dramas. Here is another one that the first three episodes were watched by a lot of critics before it actually released. And they said, eh, you know, whatever. But it is such a. It is so good. You need to watch Task. I'll give it to you. In the era of in. In the kind of the same vein as Sharp Objects. Air of Air of East. Mayor of Easttown. Is that what was called Mayor of East Town? You don't have it, so you don't know.
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C
Yeah.
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B
The Night of Tokyo Vice, Perry Mason. They have really also done a great job with that kind of serialized crime drama stuff. There's made up usually of whole cloth. Like it's not a story. You know, they're not true stories. But wow, what a great time to be alive for television. I mean, honestly, what a great time to be alive for television. Hate what streaming is doing to television, but love the fact that it's out there. And then I can watch all the episodes of the Ed Gein story at one time. At one time.
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C
That's what I did.
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B
I don't.
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C
I couldn't look away.
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B
Was driving me crazy about aliens. Which. Did you watch it? I have not. Well, I guess we can talk about it now because it's been a couple weeks since the final episode aired. I was so into it. Episode number one, episode number two. I didn't feel as excited about episode number three and four. I got really excited. Y. Yeah. But I felt like it ended kind of on a weak note. I it. I. I understand in a lot of loose ends that weren't tied up. I thought it was wonderfully acted that you see a lot of these creatures and now there's five different of them. Not just the one alien that we all know about from the movie. There's different aliens that have come back to Earth from some, you know, research spaceship. It's a, it's terrifying, it's gross, it's bloody, it's gory. I'm usually not into this sci fi drama, you know, horror bullshit, that's how I am. But I really got wrapped up into this and I thought it was really well done. But then I thought it ended so weakly that they better have a season two and they better wrap up some of these storylines or else I'm going to be pissed that I invested all this fucking time in nothing. Nothing.
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C
So frustrating.
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B
It is so frustrating. So you were sharing with me. I, I, I went down a rabbit hole maybe like three, four, five months ago. I heard about the telepathy tapes and then you texted me about it the other day.
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C
The last one to know. Okay, hey, listen, I just found it.
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B
I bet there are a lot of people that don' Telepathy tapes.
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C
It showed up on like a recommended for you or something on my podcast app. And I was like, oh, what's this? Because I'm sort of witchy and into that kind of thing and. Yeah, and it was not what I expected.
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B
Okay, so for the audience who doesn't know, explain what the telepathy tapes are.
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C
I don't know what the actual tapes are. I just found the podcast. Apparently there's maybe it was a YouTube movie or something to that effect.
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B
I think there's some documentary, but they're.
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C
Suggesting that they say non speakers, which.
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B
I understood, autistic, non verbal.
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C
Non verbal. Yeah. Are telepathic and that they're like training them or using some facilitated form of communication to get these messages out. It's a very strange phenomena.
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B
Okay, so let me explain just a little bit. So we give a little color commentary to this autistic, nonverbal. So kind of the most severe form of autism, maybe even having tics, maybe even being physically impaired in some way, shape or form. And you have a therapist that comes in and works with that person to try and get some version of communication in a way that the autistic non verbal person might be able to communicate something, their needs, their wants, their desires, just say yes or no, I love you, whatever. And that therapy, what's happening is essentially an interpretation of what may or may not be going on in somebody's mind. It's very controversial, by the way, and there's a lot of scientists, there's a Lot of criticism about this facilitated communication because a lot of people say, let's just say this. If I told you for your entire life that two and two was three, that if I said that to you, right, and that's what you believed, then you would never, you could never communicate with me, that 2 and 2 is 4, because that's not what you learn, that's not what you know, that's not your world, that's not what you understand. I'm giving you a very simple premise. And if someone comes in and then they try to interpret my world, even though I understand it's three, you. I can, I can't replicate what I understand and what I know. And either can someone outside my own brain. They cannot pull that information out of me. And especially when there's no, like we don't have an established version of that communication. There's no neural link inside of their head, right. So their world is three and our world is four. And how do we get to a ground where we understand each other? I don't know.
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To be determined because I think that facilitated communication has fallen out of fashion in a lot of areas of the world. Yeah. They also suggested on those telepathy tapes that there's a school you can attend or a course you can get to learn how to communicate. Like you and I could just sit here and speak brain to brain.
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B
Okay, so this goes down a whole different rabbit hole there. The CIA did very famous work on this and probably still 20 years.
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C
No, it's been shut down.
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B
Okay, it's been. That version has been shut down, right? Yeah. They're not going to tell you about the one that's the.
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C
It was start Stargaze. Stargate.
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B
Stargate, yeah, I think it's called Stargate. I think it's called Stargate too. Project Stargate, what is the famous CIA studies or division that used to study remote viewing?
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Remote. Yes, that's what they were known for.
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Certain types of psychic powers.
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C
I think it was called Stargate. That's what he and I talked about on the way home yesterday.
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B
Is that Project Stargate?
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Exactly. Yeah, that's the one. It was called Project Stargate and it.
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Basically involved the CIA and some other.
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C
Agencies looking into remote viewing and all.
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B
Kinds of psychic stuff. So you got it right on the nose. Okay, thanks. So now, now I'm having conversations with my chat tcb. Okay. Now it's just a part of the show. This is a third co host here to make sure that Brian says things correctly. Project Stargate, you know, they did Some, some, A lot of studies on this. 20 years.
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Yeah, 20 years.
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B
And they would give people LSD, they would do all kind of shit. And there were some people who had some level of success doing this, like scientifically understood as much as you can understand telepathy and, you know, remote viewing. They had some success. They saw stuff across the world that they could all.
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Yeah, they would give them coordinates and some people. So, you know, I asked how they vetted these test subjects. Yeah, most of them came from paranormal parapsychology and highly decorated detectives, you know, some sort of law enforcement background. But yeah, some of them are spot on and most of them were not, which is why they discontinued the program.
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B
Very, very few of them actually had like a success that was measurable, but the few that did had amazing things that were happening. Right. And so, but, you know, how could they use it? How could they do it? How could they replicate it? They never knew. So they shut it down. Yeah, they also shut it down because they were doing controversial things like dropping, you know, 55,000 micrograms of LSD in someone's coffee in the morning and then following them around until they had schizophrenia. But the, Was that the staring at goats thing? I don't know. Anyway, so this is all very subjective and you know, to go to a course for a weekend unreal and then come out and think that you can communicate verbally.
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Telepathy. Telepathy telepathically with your autistic child or, you know, it's just. I don't know, I don't know where to fall on, on it, but it, it weirds me out.
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B
Okay. I under. I also understand that if you have a child that is non verbal. I have children. And if they were non verbal when they were non verbal, like the dog that I have running around here, it's incredibly frustrating. Like when my dog is hurt. I want, I wish I could say, I wish they could tell me what's going on.
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C
You can sense it to a point. You know, your babies cry and stuff like that. But this mentally just sitting in a.
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Room together having a whole conversation back.
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And forth and how's your lunch?
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B
Yes. And the whole premise of the, the, the telepathy tapes is that some of these kids are like, you know, super psychic and they can guess what number you're thinking and they can tell you what, you know, what's going to happen in a week. Or they can, you know, talk to Aunt Edna who died a week, you know, a month ago. So they're essentially creating these little Teresa Caputos out of children who already have enough problems.
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C
That's sort of how I feel about it. It's like this weird hope, maybe. I don't know.
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B
Yeah. I wonder if in this day and age, anything is hope or views. Right. It's all like. I mean, I want to be sensitive about the subject because having an autistic child that's non verbal has got to be an incredibly difficult and painful experience and journey. And I don't want to minimize that. But this seems really hokey pokey to me. And there's a whole podcast about it that's incredibly popular. So popular they've paywalled it. So now you got to pay to go listen to most of it.
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C
It's crazy.
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B
Yes. Yeah. But they have all of these tape of these kids that are supposedly, you know, saying these things to people who are interpreting what they're saying. It seems to me like some of this is a little bit of voyeurism in a situation that doesn't deserve voyeurism. And it seems to me like, yeah, maybe some of this is just parents really wanting to believe that they're communicating with their child. And maybe, maybe just to throw it out there. There's a very small percentage of this.
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Sure.
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That could be true.
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Absolutely.
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It's a sense. It's a feeling.
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Hard to prove. It's not.
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You know, that is hard to prove. Teresa Caputo's not psychic. It's hard to prove that you know all these things and that in. In the. Like, our mind abhors a vacuum.
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Yes.
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So we pour a bunch of stuff in the middle. Believing it because we want to believe it and because we don't want the absence of information. That's something that just kills us. We are creatures who are just so nosy and curious, we can't get over it. If. If someone is not talking to us and we need them to say something to us, we will make it up on our own. Plus, I will say this. I don't know what intuition is. It's the indescribable feeling that something is or isn't right. That is intuition. Something's going to happen. Something's going on. This person is not being truthful.
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Don't feel good about this. Feel good about this hotel.
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B
Right. That has got to be some level of psychic ability. Right. I mean, there's no other way to describe it. Intuition is sensing an energy that is either off or on or more or less or whatever it is.
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Energy. Also something we can't prove or, you know, like the feeling, right?
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B
Yes. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not throwing every. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. No terrible pun intended. I'm not throwing the entire baby out with the bathwater on this one.
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It just felt a little alien light language to me.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we don't need another alien light language, girl.
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C
We got enough of that.
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B
We really don't. I haven't seen her in months. I don't know what happened to her. Now there's this star. Star child. Have you seen this one? The blonde with the huge. I'll see if I can find her on the break. But, yeah, she's got the huge dreads, and she sings the same fucking song on every single reel that she created. You know, I am a star child. Big boobs flapping everywhere. Like, it's just so. It's so for views, you know, she's talking about how she doesn't need a man. I love myself. You got to love yourself. And then she puts out reel after reel after reel of her just, you know, panning for the camera, doing it all for the camera. If you really didn't need the attention, if you really were comfortable in yourself, you wouldn't be pining for every view that is out there. Now, I will say this, like, you know, okay, maybe she's totally comfortable with herself. Maybe that's just. Maybe that is the truth. If you take all of the cameras away and at night when you lay down talking to the.
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No insecurities at all.
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No insecurities at all. But I find it really hard to believe. It seems like at this point, first of all, do another song. Please get another song. This girl is so famous, by the way. She has, like. She's selling out, like, small clubs to go hear her sing one.
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Jealous that she makes her.
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Yeah, admittedly jealous. Not even gonna pretend. Not admittedly jealous. I couldn't sell out a small club if I paid for the tickets myself. I mean, but it's just one of those things where it just. Just irritates the. Out of me that these people, that some folks who have little to no life experience are out there teaching the rest of us about life. You know what I'm saying? And. But that's okay, you know, that's only something you can learn with time. Because when I was that age, I thought I knew it all, too. So I guess I'll give her a little bit of grace on this one.
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C
How old is she? I thought these star children were a couple generations ago. You know, it was like the star children, then the Indigo children.
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B
Yeah, these are like. No, these are. These star children are in their early 20s.
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C
Okay.
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B
Yeah, they're young. They're babies. I mean, not baby babies, but, you.
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C
Know, they're my baby's age.
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B
Yeah, your baby's age. There you go. All right, let's take a break. I'll see if I can find her, and then I want to let you listen to a reel that is super fascinating and a little scary. We'll be back.
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D
Hey, it's Rachel, your new voice of God here on tcb. And just like you, I'm wondering just how much longer this podcast can continue. Let's all rejoice that another episode has made it to your ears. And I'll rejoice that my check is in the mail. Speaking of mail, get your free TCB sticker in the mail by going to tcbpodcast.com and visiting the contact us page. You can also find the entire commercial break library audio and video, just in case you want to look at chrissy@tcbpodcast.com Want your voice to be on an episode of the show? Leave us a message at 212-4333, TCB. That's 212-433-3822. Tell us how much you love us and we'll be sure to let the world know on a future episode. Or you could make fun of us. That'd be fine too. We might not air that, but maybe. Oh, and if you're shy, that's okay. Just send a text, we'll respond. Now I'm going to go check the mailbox for payment while you check out our sponsors. And then we'll return to this episode of the commercial break.
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C
We're putting it all on the kitchen.
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D
Table and inviting you to the functions.
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C
If you're ready for some bold takes.
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B
And a little bit of chaos, welcome to Undomesticated.
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D
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B
Here she is, Shannon Blake, you know, obviously attractive young lady, right?
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C
Yeah.
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Very cute. Naked in most.
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C
Of course. That's how you get the likes.
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B
That's how you get the likes. That's how you get the views. I mean, there's one. I mean, listen, and I don't care. Be naked. Whatever.
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C
Be naked.
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B
I like nudity. Cool. Yeah, but I mean, there's a picture of just her naked. It. Yeah, it's just her butt cheeks. She's got these huge crazy dreads here. She's.
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Furry stockings here.
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B
She's kissing a tree. Let's see what she's saying in this one.
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C
Baby talking a leaf.
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B
She's baby talking. She's dog talking a leaf. Oh, here's her song.
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C
Is she singing?
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B
Yeah, apparently she is. I don't know that she really is, but apparently she is. And I will say this, I just managed to physically disconnect my microphone. How did I do that? I don't even know how I did that. I will say this. If you have done ayahuasca with shamans, if you have done that, and. And I have. I. I just don't think you would Be talking about it in this way if it was a super meaningful experience, hanging out. No, it's not. No, it's not a butt cheek on us. It's not a butt cheek kind of situation. It's a. It's a disembodiment is what it is. And I've talked about it a lot and I've talked about it on this show. So I don't want to be a hypocrite here and say that, you know, but I'm not doing that for views. I'm just sharing my. I mean, maybe I.
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And luckily you kept your butt cheeks to yourself.
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I don't know that I did, but I don't think anybody would have noticed that I. Everyone else was doing it too, for the shaman and the paramedics in the room. So, you know, no, knock on Shannon. I mean, I get it. Shannon's.
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C
She's doing her thing and she's making.
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B
Her money and it's a different. It's a different world than it was 20 years ago when I was into my own kind of hallucinogenic healing thing. Right. So it's 20 years ago and I didn't have an opportunity to jump on Instagram and tell everybody about my.
- [26:59]
C
No, we couldn't get ketamine from our Instagram accounts. We couldn't. You know, like there was just a different world. It wasn't being used for therapy.
- [27:06]
B
No, that's true. You're right. It wasn't being used for therapy. It wasn't being used for widespread, being recreational healing. Yeah, Burning man or, you know what a soul tribe or whatever, wherever you're at. The reality is it's so accessible now. Also, when I did it so wild. You got an invitation. I got an invitation and I had to show up to a meeting two weeks ahead of time to prepare so that the people who had done this before, the people who were in the know, could pass down some information that they felt would be helpful to my experience and to. To caution against taking this lightly because holy shit, it's going to put your dick directly in the dirt. And you should know that. And you're going to die. You're going to die a thousand deaths. And I can't explain to you how that's going to happen, but B, ready, be mentally prepared for not being mentally prepared for what's going to happen.
- [28:01]
C
Right. Come rested and hydrated and the rest.
- [28:03]
B
You know, that's it. We'll have paramedics on, on board and if something happens, we'll do our best. And you Know, it's like being invited to the best party in the world, but you may die at that party. It's possible you're going to die at that party. And that's.
- [28:16]
C
Or at least think you did.
- [28:17]
B
Yeah. Oh, you're. Yeah, you're definitely going to die. But will you still be breathing when it's all over? I don't know. We'll have some paramedics. Maybe they can help you. But, you know, it's just. It seems like there's a very flip. All this stuff is very flip now.
- [28:29]
C
Like, yeah.
- [28:33]
B
This retreat this week, and.
- [28:34]
C
It'S lost some decorum and the respect factor. Yeah.
- [28:38]
B
I went to the Hamptons and we had ayahuasca tea party. We listened to, you know, we listened to Maroon 5.
- [28:47]
C
And, yeah, the parties about it are like. You sort of kept it quiet, like, hey, I'm having a party. Come over. Bring some favors. Now I got invited to a yurt in someone's backyard to drink mushroom tea. You know, it was like on the invitation on the Evite.
- [29:01]
B
Yes.
- [29:02]
C
It's wild.
- [29:03]
B
Weird. It's weird. It's wild.
- [29:05]
C
Sound bath. Mushroom tea party. Like, I'm in.
- [29:08]
B
I. Yeah, listen, I got an invite recently. I went. I did it, you know, But I knew who was there, and I knew the seriousness upon which it would be taken. And it was.
- [29:16]
C
Yeah, the ceremony.
- [29:17]
B
Yeah.
- [29:17]
C
Yeah.
- [29:17]
B
There was a shaman there who was an actual native, who was an actual shaman who lived it, breathed it, did it. You know, she was a Mayan priestess. That's what she did. Not. That's. That's not she.
- [29:31]
C
Like, it's who she is and what she does.
- [29:34]
B
Correct. She didn't. What do they call that when you appropriate. She didn't appropriate someone else's culture.
- [29:41]
C
Right.
- [29:41]
B
And then. And then make it into what they wanted to make it into for fast casual consumption on Instagram. Him. This is what she was. Right. And as was the shaman that. That. That I did ayahuasca with. It was. This is very much the real deal. Like, they. This guy was from the Amazon. I don't think he'd ever seen a real television before. I mean, honestly, the guy was, like, completely fish out of water when he came here, as was I once I did. And because I am essentially appropriating his culture by taking his medicine, but at least he's blessing me with it. Right? At least I'm not out there, you know, buying it on Silk Road, too. And I'm not saying you can't have meaningful experiences doing that. Also, I'm not trying to like on everybody who hasn't done it exactly the same way I have. What I am cautioning against is the fat. Let me repeat that because I think that's a cool phrase. The fast, casual consumption of these types of medicines, you know, feels, can. Feels a little bit dangerous to me. I don't know. Can be dangerous, let's put it that way. Okay, let me let you. Let me let you listen to a reel that I found. I don't know if this is real or not. So I want to caution against us, you know, going straight into it and believing that any of this is for real. It sounds like rage bait to me, but. So let's be careful we don't heard then we don't make the assumption right off the bat. I just want to say that. Let's see where is the link that I put. Here it is. I even asked Chad if this was real and they said probably not. They said probably not.
- [31:21]
C
Can AI detect AI?
- [31:23]
B
Yeah, AI can detect. I think it can.
- [31:27]
C
I asked V if we could have a chat with all of our other AI friends.
- [31:32]
B
Oh yeah. Should we have the two of them talking together?
- [31:35]
C
They can talk to each other.
- [31:37]
B
Yeah, that might not be a bad idea actually. Okay, here we go. Ready? Okay, hold on, let me see if I can.
- [31:48]
E
Today's the day that I get to drop my daughter off for the rest of her life. I can't really say that I feel sad about it. I really don't care. I give up custody of my kid. I put her up for adoption.
- [31:59]
C
She's seven years old.
- [32:03]
D
Sorry.
- [32:03]
B
I just literally just woke up.
- [32:05]
E
She's going to school and about to up her after her last day of school.
- [32:08]
D
I have to take her to.
- [32:09]
E
And then the adoptees are coming off from the school pickup line and yeah, I'm a free woman after that. I'm selling my house, I'm buying an rv, about to travel the world. I'm pretty. I'm pretty excited. I have been like waiting for this moment my entire life ever since I had her. And I was being guilty and not giving her up just because like I felt like as a mom, you're not.
- [32:34]
B
Supposed to give your kid.
- [32:35]
E
But then I had a good talk with like my boyfriend and he said that it doesn't matter what other people think. It's what you want and I don't want a kid.
- [32:43]
B
So. So that is a crazy reel where that has been going around. It's probably the second time I've seen it. I saw it again this morning where the young lady wakes up and she explains it, says on the real, like it's written in text, that today is the day I give up my daughter for adoption. Right? And she explains that the daughter is seven years old. She's dropping. In case you didn't. In case it was a little. The music was very loud. She's dropping her daughter off and then.
- [33:12]
C
She, at school will not be the one picking her up.
- [33:14]
B
No, she will not be the one picking her up. Somebody else's. The adoptees are going to pick her up. Now, the reason why I first call bullshit on this is because that's not how the adoption process works. You don't drop them off at school and then the new parents pick you up from school. That is facilitated usually in some legal or authoritative way. There's a handoff of some nature, and there are usually facilitators involved in that, whether that be CPS or the foster.
- [33:38]
C
Care advocate at the very least, or a child advocate at the very least.
- [33:41]
B
Even private adoptions are handled in a different way. So that's where I was kind of like, hey, I'm not sure this, this is real. But there are so many reactions thou tens of thousands of comments. And I wondered that my. But my second reaction to this was, good for that young lady if it is true. Because if that's her, that little girl, because if that's her fucking mom and her mom is taking, you know, therapeutic advice from some shithead boyfriend that she's got about, you know, go live your best life, that is insanity. That lady does not need to be a parent.
- [34:14]
C
I know. I say it all the time. If you don't know, if you, if you're unsure, if you want kids, you don't want kids.
- [34:18]
B
That's it.
- [34:19]
C
Period.
- [34:20]
B
I think there's two things that I think are important that, that we should stake as we move into the future here. Number one, some guy on the Internet had this idea. I think it's wonderful. At the age of 13 years old, every male in this country has to go register their DNA.
- [34:37]
C
I know I've been saying this for a long time, but not register your DNA, that's better than mine. I said vasectomy when they're born, because it's reversible.
- [34:45]
B
It is. It can be.
- [34:46]
C
And then once you prove income and worthiness and dedicate, like whatever you need to prove to become a parent, at least make it as difficult as it is to get a driver's license, that's it.
- [34:57]
B
This kid had the IDEA that at 13, brilliant. @ the Age of sexual maturity. Every man boy has to go in, they have to give a sample of their DNA. Should they impregnate somebody, then they are legally responsible for 50% of the bills, 50% of the housing, 50% of the. The co parenting. And they have mandatory parenting garnishments.
- [35:19]
C
If you're not making your payments, that's it. And after mandatory parenting class, it's brilliant.
- [35:23]
B
Yes. And then after a certain period of time of not paying, then the, then the woman who, whoever is taking care of the child gets that money plus interest. And after a certain amount of that, then there's mandatory work. You have to go to the military, you have to do whatever. This kid had a whole idea and it was really smart because, you know, parenting, I, I've said this so many times, I really. Till I'm blue in the face. Along the lines of what you're saying you need a license to go pull a fish out of the river to eat? Yes.
- [35:55]
C
Yes.
- [35:55]
B
You got to take a class to drive a moped. You have to learn how to skydive. Something that doesn't, that doesn't cause any responsibility. It could kill you. Right. It takes away life, not gives it. But any can be apparent. Anyone, any can be a parent. And there are so many bad ones out there. There are a lot of good ones. A lot of good ones. But this is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. I heard a lady once, I don't know, she told me or I overheard it, I can't remember where I heard this in context because I'm a man and that's just the way my brain works. But the, the like. I'm paraphrasing what she said. I did most of my growing up raising my children, right? I did most of my growing up.
- [36:44]
C
Yeah, I grew up with my kids, that's for sure.
- [36:46]
B
For sure, right? I'm growing up at my extended age, I'm growing up with my kids. That's it. I'm raising children and I'm knocking my head against the wall at every corner trying to figure out how to feed them and clothe them and make sure that they're okay, emotionally and physically.
- [37:00]
C
The least amount of damage, that's it.
- [37:02]
B
Do the. Do no harm, right?
- [37:04]
C
Steal no joy, do no harm.
- [37:05]
B
That's it. And I'm not sure I always get it, right. I'm not sure I ever get.
- [37:08]
C
I promise you, you don't.
- [37:10]
B
I promise me, I don't either. But the reality is that if this is true, and I don't think it is. I really think that this is not, this reel is not, not actually a thing. I think this is rage.
- [37:22]
C
I think it echoes a lot of what might be happening in our collective consciousness, though. People don't know the true commitment. And you know, maybe you got pregnant and you're like, okay, well I don't believe in abortion or maybe I'll give this a shot or I want this kid. It doesn't mean your feelings don't change.
- [37:37]
B
Yeah.
- [37:38]
C
And if she, for some reason or other people are talking about not having a connection with their child and wishing they could do it over, I mean, we've seen it in the, I mean there's Reddit, Reddit, there's Reddit threads and boards about, you know, like, I can only now I don't want them anymore. So I think it, it may be fake, but I don't, I think it.
- [37:56]
B
Probably echoes a sentiment that is very real.
- [37:59]
C
Yeah.
- [37:59]
B
There is a law in the United States of America that you can drop a baby off. Anybody, a kid, any, just any child defects. Yeah, defects at a fire station or at a hospital, a police station, no consequences, no questions asked. That's it. And there have been famous cases of that happening. I don't think it happens very often.
- [38:16]
C
But I used to work with a ca, I used to work with acasa, which is a child appointed special advocate.
- [38:22]
B
Yeah.
- [38:22]
C
Here in Georgia. And yeah, one of the kids that I worked with, his mom did that. 13 years old.
- [38:28]
B
13 years old.
- [38:29]
C
Dropped him off at defects and went to Chicago.
- [38:34]
B
It's kind of sad.
- [38:35]
C
Yeah.
- [38:35]
B
This is a Halloween episode of the commercial. Right. All the horrors of the world coming out.
- [38:39]
C
Yeah, it happens. But being excited about it on social media is totally different story.
- [38:43]
B
I, I totally agree with you why you would ever put that story out there. And I don't know who that young girl is. And the, the, the real is reposted and there's no identifying information. I did as much digging as I possibly could to see if I could get to the root of who did this, why they did this. But the fact that you put it on social media is just that, that is emblematic of what is going on.
- [39:03]
C
I hope this lady doesn't actually have a kid.
- [39:05]
B
I, I, she probably doesn't. There was one lady, there's one lady out there who does simply rage bait. She takes real stories from Reddit or Twitter or whatever. She takes real stories and then she acts them out on the camera as if it's her doing it. Right. And it's just rage bait. It's all the worst possible things that humans have thought or done or whatever. And her reels go viral all the time. She got me the first time. I forget what it was. It was something, if you think about it. And I was like, you motherfucker. And then I'm like, that cannot be true. And then, and then it wasn't true. I mean, it wasn't true for her. There was somebody who did it, but she has this whole thing. She's like, you know, for entertainment purposes only, reenacting.
- [39:46]
C
There's no truth in all this madness.
- [39:48]
B
There's always a bit of truth and all the bullshit. All right, we'll be back. We'll see what other horrible things we can talk about.
- [39:55]
C
Keeping it light around here today.
- [39:56]
B
I like the conversation. I'm having fun with it. All right, we'll be back.
- [40:04]
D
Let me do something Brian has never done.
- [40:07]
B
Be brief.
- [40:08]
D
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- [40:39]
B
All right, so let's keep the macabre going. Two recent theme park deaths have made the news. Have you heard about this?
- [40:46]
C
I have not share.
- [40:47]
B
There was the one guy. Okay, well, let's go to chat so that I don't. So that I don't misspeak here. How's that?
- [40:53]
C
Here in the U.S. here in the.
- [40:55]
B
U.S. okay, and she'll give us the information. Can you tell me about the recent death at the Universal theme park in Florida? So, just to fill you in, there was indeed a tragic incident recently. A 32 year old man named Kevin Rodriguez Zavala passed away after riding the Stardust Races roller coaster at Universal's epic Universe. They did look into it, and Universal said the ride was functioning as it should. But the family and their lawyer are raising concerns about reopening it without an independent inspection. Okay, so here's what happened. Kevin Zavala, the man who died after riding the roller coaster, has sued Universal. Their fam. His family has sued Universal. They believe that Universal was criminally negligent and allowing Kevin to ride the ride. Kevin was not. He was disabled. He was used a wheelchair to get around. He went on a roller coaster that's very intense. It's an intense roller coaster. By the admission of the park and everybody else who's ever ridden it. It's a very, like, G heavy, thrash you around kind of ride. When Kevin left, he was put in. He was helped into the ride vehicle. He was strapped in. When Kevin left, he was fine. He was awake. He was alert. When he came back, he was bloody. There was blood all over the ride. There was blood all over people. Apparently this is very gory scene, and he died from blunt force trauma to the head.
- [42:19]
C
Whoa.
- [42:19]
B
Yeah. So people initially were saying that Kevin may have been hit by something on the ride, like he hit a part of the ride of whatever. But what came to light was that Kevin was not able to use parts of his body in the first place and that Kevin maybe shouldn't have been on the ride.
- [42:36]
C
He couldn't, like, hold his neck steady.
- [42:38]
B
Couldn't hold his neck steady.
- [42:40]
C
Banging around or whatever.
- [42:41]
B
What some people are speculating is that Kevin had some kind of medical incident on the ride, became limp, and then because of his disabilities, was unable to even keep himself in a position, and then got thrashed around, hitting his head on the restraints or the front of the ride or. Or, you know, we're at the front of the car or whatever. Terrible, terrible situation for Kevin and for.
- [43:02]
C
Everyone on the ride with him.
- [43:03]
B
For everyone on the ride and for the employees that had to deal with it. And apparently the family is saying that the employees didn't deal with it appropriately when back. What do you. How do you deal with it?
- [43:13]
C
How is there a protocol for that?
- [43:14]
B
This is. This reminds me greatly of the young man here at Six Flags Over Georgia who was decapitated by someone's feet.
- [43:26]
C
It was the Batman ride because your legs hang down.
- [43:28]
B
Batman ride because the legs came down.
- [43:30]
C
It's the reason I don't ride it anymore.
- [43:31]
B
I have a hard time going on that ride, too. It just reminds me of something so terrible because it was very. It's very descriptive. And if that kind of thing bothers you, I'm going to share about what happened. And so you can turn it. Turn it off. Fast forward a minute and a half. Kids lost. Two. Two. One of the kids, he was with his friend. They lost the hat on the rod.
- [43:51]
C
Ball cap.
- [43:52]
B
Yeah, ball cap. And they decide they saw it. They decided to jump the fence to get it. And when they jumped the fence to get it. The Batman ride has a circular. It's one of those hanging rides. So your feet Dangle down and you. You sit on the seat.
- [44:05]
C
Yeah.
- [44:05]
B
And it swoops upside down, and then it comes back around toward the ground. The hat was right there. They thought the vehicles were out of the way. The ride came through and the young man. Yeah, yeah. The girl kicked the head off, essentially, is what happened. And the girl had major damage to her legs. And he lost his head. His head came clean off his body. And that was that. There were many witnesses to this, and it was a terrible, terrible situation, but it reminded me of this. The Batman ride is still on and functioning to this day. It was off for a couple of months. They did the major investigation. The family sued. Six Flags. I think it went away. Six Flags, probably.
- [44:42]
C
It was clearly marked on the fence to not cross. Yeah, yeah. Under any circumstances.
- [44:47]
B
I mean, come on, guys. Like, I'm not blaming the victim here. He's a young kid.
- [44:52]
C
Yeah, He.
- [44:53]
B
You know, when you're young.
- [44:54]
C
The ride didn't malfunction. No, it wasn't Six Flags negligence.
- [44:59]
B
He just. He jumped the fence.
- [45:01]
C
He wanted his hat.
- [45:01]
B
He wanted his hat. He died over a hat. I mean, the. The terrible terror. Awful. I just don't think I'd be able to sleep at night if that was my kid ever again. I mean, that or the girl.
- [45:11]
C
I mean, if you kick someone's head clean off. Clean off. That's some therapy for sure.
- [45:16]
B
Yeah. Well, I think she had so much damage to her leg, I believe that one of them was amputated.
- [45:20]
C
I wouldn't doubt it.
- [45:21]
B
Yeah, that's the young lady. I mean, I think they both settled with Six Flags, but that's the young lady. You know, she's got to live with that for the rest of her life. And, you know, this is terrible for Kevin. This is a terrible tragedy for him. But it also reminds me that, you know, there is. There are rules and guidance around riding these rides. They're not all the safest things in the world. Things do go wrong on these rides.
- [45:50]
C
Things don't get started.
- [45:53]
B
I. Listen, I have read. This is kind of macabre, but I have read about all of the medical. Major medical accidents that have happened on Disney rides. There's been about 300 throughout the years. You know, this, that, the other thing. People getting stuck in, you know, ride vehicles, people, you know, getting their leg caught in between a track and a thing. You know, there was a monorail accident where a monorail hit another monorail, and one of the. The drivers died. Yeah, the driver died. He. They crashed each other when they were trying to pull him into the service stations. They crashed at like, you know, 20 miles per hour. And there's. There was really nothing to protect the guy. He was just standing in this glass box essentially. So all of these things just were. But there's also for the personal responsibility is that if you don't think you can ride and ride, don't ride.
- [46:39]
C
I don't get on him anymore. I mean truly. I had a friend when I was in middle school got thrown from one of those teacup style rides at the carnival.
- [46:46]
B
Oh really?
- [46:47]
C
Still friends with him today. He's actually called me while we were here. Yeah, he got thrown from it. You know, like stunted his growth. His.
- [46:54]
B
Oh my God.
- [46:55]
C
I don't get on any of those. You know, like I had the seatbelt bar come up on the screen machine on me when I was a teenager at Six Flags. Like it is terrifying.
- [47:04]
B
Yes.
- [47:05]
C
And the people operating these machines, I mean and they are big machines.
- [47:09]
B
That's what they are. Complex big machines.
- [47:11]
C
16, 17 year old kids pushing buttons, you know, and to hold them accountable in any way seems crazy. You can't even use a meat slicer at Publix until you're 18.
- [47:20]
B
Yeah, yeah. You can't serve a margarita at Chili's until you're 18 years old.
- [47:24]
C
Licensure for like ridiculous. Yeah, it's insane.
- [47:27]
B
I agree with you 100%. I think the places like Disney and Universal are. Have better trains too.
- [47:33]
C
But still.
- [47:33]
B
Yes, you can make a career out of that at Six Flags. Those are summer workers.
- [47:37]
C
Summer.
- [47:37]
B
That's it. That's what they do. They're summer workers making $10.25. They get a two week training course.
- [47:42]
C
And then free roller coaster rides.
- [47:43]
B
Free roller coaster rides and soft drinks. And they're supposed to operate these incredibly complex. Of course there are adults around.
- [47:49]
C
Feats of engineering. They are.
- [47:51]
B
They really are. And you know, listen, in the order of trust as far as roller coasters, theme parks and amusement parks are concerned. Disney World and Universal maybe up there, right? Six flag or like a Busch Gardens second. A Six Flags third, the state fair fourth. And any local carnival parking lot. Carnival 00. I just won't do it anymore. I've seen too many videos. Videos now where I'm like holy. And I also know that there's almost zero oversight over any of them.
- [48:25]
C
What about. I got thrown up on the. Not the Gravitron but the one that's just a loopy coaster that just goes in a circle and then it slings you backwards.
- [48:33]
B
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [48:34]
C
Person threw up oh.
- [48:39]
B
Yep.
- [48:39]
C
I was waiting in line to take the kids on because I'm like, this one's okay, right?
- [48:42]
B
Yeah. Thank you.
- [48:44]
C
I looked at the girls, I was like, I'm so sorry.
- [48:46]
B
Listen, I love roller coasters.
- [48:48]
C
Fried Oreos instead.
- [48:49]
B
I have always loved roller coasters.
- [48:51]
C
They're so fun.
- [48:52]
B
I love it all. Take me on all of them. I want to go on all of them. I love. Now I'm taking my kids on them. I love them, but I want to do that in a really well.
- [48:59]
C
Disney. Disney, Universal.
- [49:01]
B
Yeah. Disney Universal, Bush Gardens, Busch Gardens.
- [49:03]
C
Maybe Kings Dominion.
- [49:04]
B
Maybe Kings Dominion. Those are the, like the things that are open year round where they're billion dollar industries, where they have.
- [49:10]
C
And they're known globally.
- [49:11]
B
Yeah. They have six or seven guys. Like, I took the backstage tour, Astrid and I did of Disney World. We went on like the VIP backstage tour one time and we went on that tour and they took us into one of the rides. Into one. It wasn't even the ride. It was like the hall of Presidents. We went in there and saw like how it all worked. There were 12 dudes that were sitting around working on that ride. On a regular day when it was working, there was 12 dudes. Engineer, yeah, Imagineers, engineers, whatever. They were underneath it, working on it, plugging stuff in, oiling this up, doing that. We're there for, I don't know, 45 minutes watching all of these guys do what they do just to make sure that it operate. And these guys all look like competent adult people that were doing their job. Right.
- [49:55]
C
They were vetted by Disney.
- [49:56]
B
Correct. Vetted by Disney. There for a long time, understood the ride. Probably knew it like the back of their hand. Something went wrong, they could fix it in a heartbeat with a piece of gum and some shoe leather. Right. That's the way that they were kids at a pimple faced, you know, 15 year old at running the mall parking lot carnival. Yeah. Running the mall parking lot zipper.
- [50:14]
C
I'm not trusting him with mine or my kids.
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B
That's right. I mean, sometimes I go to those carnivals and I see they're literally using a clothes pin to hold you in. And I'm like, that can't possibly be safe. Yeah.
- [50:23]
C
That carabiner is not going to hold.
- [50:25]
B
No, it's not. No way. But even, you know, stuff does happen at Disney too. Like Disney just had an incident where someone died on their Haunted Mansion ride.
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C
H. What?
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B
It's a very slow, moving ride.
- [50:37]
C
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. I don't see how anything could.
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C
One of my favorite rides.
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B
It's a wonderful ride. Anybody who's ever been on it knows that it's a. It's a sentimental. Yeah, even it holds up today. It still seems like a feat of engineering that they can make those ghosts look real. It's so cool. So cool. Even though I know how it's done, I still don't understand it. Even though how it's done, I still don't understand how those ghosts appear like they do. It's really quite crazy, but someone passed away. I think in this situation, it was probably a major medical incident, like having a heart attack or something like that. But still, I mean, these things happen all the time. It's just, you know, there's a certain amount of risk that you assume with anything. You walk into a nailed salon, you get an infection that kills you. It's just the way that it is. I feel really bad for this guy Kevin. It's made a lot of news. There's a lot of people, especially theme park junkies, that are talking about this and what happened and how did he get this. All this trauma to his head and all this other stuff.
- [51:29]
C
You think it's going to change some of the protocols going forward?
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B
No, I don't. I, I. Well, protocols possibly. Possibly there will. They will discuss with the employees how you handle something like this. Should someone. Should the. The train pull into the station with a. With a bloody body, you know, how do you handle it? But there's just certain things you just can never prepare for.
- [51:53]
C
Right.
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B
Like how do you prepare for a decapitated kid? Oh, below the Batman ride.
- [51:58]
C
I know. That run really messed me up for a while.
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B
Oh, it messed everybody in Georgia.
- [52:02]
C
Yeah.
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B
They Talked about it 247 for a long time, and it was a really big deal. How do you psychologically repair yourself from that? How do you prepare for that? And then how do you react to that? When a girl comes back with half her leg missing and there's a head, you know, rolling around on the grass, like, how do you deal with that? I don't know. I don't want to be flip about this. Poor kid. Terrible thing.
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C
The whole thing was a tragedy.
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B
Yeah, absolutely. But how do you deal with that? How do you deal with the minutiae of that? I don't really know. So I don't. I wasn't there. I don't know. But apparently the park security and the people who were working the ride, they stayed with Kevin and tried their best to help him, but I think he was already dead by the time he pulled into the stadium.
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C
So are they saying that they should have told Kevin he couldn't ride the ride?
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B
I'm wondering if Kevin should have been riding the ride. Like if it says if you have a heart problem, if you have a back problem, if you have whatever that's.
- [52:54]
C
On you, that's your, that's your responsibility.
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B
And like I've seen pictures of Kevin in his wheelchair at the theme parks being excited about all this. So Kevin is obviously not a novice to theme parks parks. He had done this before, but if you have to be transferred into a vehicle, you can't do that on your own power. Should you be riding a ride that could potentially cause a lot of G forces to move your body in a way that you can't control? Right, right. So, you know, as an able bodied person, I can tighten myself up if I know a turn you have to.
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C
On some of those rides. The Ninja, one of my favorite coasters here at Six Flags. I mean if you don't hold your head right, you're going to get a migraine, you're going to bang around so bad because it's just a little rickety.
- [53:38]
B
You know, like it's a concussion factory.
- [53:40]
C
Yes. You have to be able to keep your neck stiff or you're going to, going to pay for it.
- [53:44]
B
Yeah, you really do. And so, you know, if Kevin gets on a ride like that, I'm not, I'm not blaming the victim, right? No, no, no. No one expected. I'm sure Kevin had done this a hundred times and Kevin knew his own limitations.
- [53:57]
C
You know, he loved it enough to. He took the risk.
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B
He took the risk. And that sometimes you're on the losing end of that. Right. That sucks for everybody involved and all the employees in Kevin's family. So I want to say that I'm heartbroken for his own family to go to a fun day at Universal and end up with this happening is literally like the worst of the worst. However, all of that said, should Kevin have been writing those and should there be protocol around people, people who are not able bodied in certain ways probably being restricted from.
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C
Because like you read those signs, right? I'm pregnant, you might not know that I'm gonna get on the ride even, you know, despite the warnings. Yeah, same with a heart condition. Nobody can detect that by looking at someone with a heart condition. Epilepsy. Another one that, you know, you just.
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B
Sure.
- [54:47]
C
If I'm loading you into the ride as the park worker, I'm not gonna know you have those.
- [54:52]
B
Of course not. Of course not. You got to police yourself A little bit on this. Like, Astrid and I went to Disney World and she was pregnant with our first. And I will tell you what, cautious would be an understatement for how Astrid and I were about getting on any of those rides. It was like we. The Haunted Mansion was about as exciting as it got.
- [55:09]
C
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.
- [55:10]
B
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Spaceship Earth. I had to do all the roller coasters by myself, as it should have been, because she was pregnant and she. You know, to jostle around like that when you're pregnant is an obvious and known risk. Yes. And we were very cautious about that. We had a great time, but it was just really walking around looking at the pretty things. It wasn't like we didn't. That wasn't the time to go on all the big roller coasters and have a blast. So, you know, best wishes to Kevin's family, I hope.
- [55:37]
C
Yeah. Tragic.
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B
I hope you get some kind of conclusion out of this. That makes it feel a little bit better, though. I don't ever think you get over or anything like that. He was with his girlfriend, too. Man. What a terrible, terrible thing to happen. I wouldn't want to go to Disney and end up dead.
- [55:50]
C
Hopefully. It was like a bucket list item for him. And he was. I know that's full of joy.
- [55:54]
B
I just said I wouldn't want to go to Disney and end up dead, but maybe that is where I'd want to go.
- [55:57]
C
Yeah, you just want to. Full of joy.
- [55:58]
B
Yeah. Maybe that's just it.
- [56:00]
C
Magic and wonder.
- [56:01]
B
All expectation and exciting family having a great time. That's it. And then all of a sudden, not.
- [56:06]
C
The worst thing in the world.
- [56:07]
B
Yeah. You just go. You just don't know. And hopefully that's how Kevin went, but. And then all those people on the coaster. Oh, that's.
- [56:13]
C
That's the real.
- [56:15]
B
There's the lawsuit, right? Yeah. Universal is going to be cutting some checks. I'm sure they want this to go away.
- [56:24]
C
This was like during Halloween Horror nights.
- [56:26]
B
This is like two weeks ago. I think this happened. Yeah. Nothing will ever top. However, any theme park horror story will never top the kid who got taken away by the alligator. At Disney World, that is. Oh, yeah.
- [56:42]
C
At Downtown Disney.
- [56:43]
B
No, at the Grand Floridian Hotel. He was on the beach.
- [56:46]
C
Yeah.
- [56:46]
B
And then he was playing by the water and.
- [56:49]
C
Yeah.
- [56:50]
B
And the father jumped in and tried to save the baby and wrestled the alligator and.
- [56:54]
C
Unbelievable.
- [56:56]
B
They only had one press conference with ABC News, conveniently owned by Disney. And I'll never forget it. They just it was like a three.
- [57:03]
C
Minute had to go away.
- [57:04]
B
Yeah, like a three minute conversation with Diane Sawyer or something. And it was just like, it was unfortunate. Like you could tell the lawyers were standing behind her that moment. Like you can say that, you can't say that.
- [57:14]
C
We make your statement.
- [57:15]
B
Here's the $25 million check. Yes. You know, hey, listen, that's the way it works, you know, Life is a risk. Yeah, life is a risk. But I don't care how much money they got paid.
- [57:26]
C
Give me my baby back.
- [57:27]
B
Give me my baby back. That's right. All right. 212-4333. TCB 212-438-22 Questions, comments, concerns or content ideas. We take them all, get involved in the conversation. I know some of you have been texting. I'll get back to you, I promise I will. At the commercial break on Instagram tcb podcast on tick tock. Then YouTube.com the commercial break for all the videos the same day that air here on the audio video. Also if you would, tcbpodcast.com go get your free sticker. Drop down menu on the contact us button says I want my free sticker. Give us your address and we will send it away. Okay, thanks Tina. Really appreciate it.
- [58:04]
C
Anytime, Brian.
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B
I love you.
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C
I love you.
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B
Best to you. Best to you and best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time, Tina and I will say, we do say and we must say goodbye. Sam. 5:30.