TCB Infomercial: Rory Scovel

Summary

The Commercial Break - TCB Infomercial: Rory Scovel
Release Date: March 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Commercial Break features an in-depth, freewheeling conversation with comedian, actor, and improviser Rory Scovel. Hosts Bryan Green and Kristen Joy Hoadley (“Krissy”) take their signature irreverent, self-deprecating approach to podcasting, chatting with Rory about everything from his acclaimed HBO Max comedy special to the state of streaming TV, religion, growing up Catholic, mental health, and the magic of Largo in LA. Full of tangents, honest self-reflection, and sharp comedic moments, the discussion swings between the silly and the sincere, offering listeners a personal look at Scovel’s journey and thoughts on standup, artistry, and life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rory Scovel’s Background and Relocation

[13:13] - [14:23]

• Rory is currently living in Denver, Colorado, after growing up in Greenville, South Carolina.
• Greenville's growing popularity has led to skyrocketing real estate prices, prompting discussion on how secondary cities are becoming hubs due to remote work.
• Rory discusses his family of seven siblings, the Catholic upbringing, and moving between Catholic and public schools.
  • “I’m one of seven. And so the three oldest all moved away… The fact that you guys can’t stop advertising. How great.” – Rory [15:36]

2. Comedy Career and Artistic Motivation

[56:35] - [60:39]

• Rory shares his journey starting in standup, acting, and his surprise at how far he’s come.
• Early career motivations included proving himself to family and friends; after his father’s passing during COVID, he’s re-examined his “why.”
  • “Who am I doing this for? And you sort of reconfigure who you think you are as an artist.” – Rory [58:20]
• Now aims to pursue standup and acting with renewed purpose, focusing on being present and striving for genuine artistry, not just audience approval.

3. ADHD, Medication, and Personal Development

[17:14] - [24:49]

• Both Rory and Bryan share stories about being diagnosed with ADHD, experiences with Ritalin/Adderall, and how that era shaped them.
  • “I could not have been a more obvious case. They put me on Ritalin… then Adderall. I would just sit in my room and spiral out into deep thought.” – Rory [19:43]
• Rory opts to stop medication before college, following intuition that it didn't suit him.
• Discussion extends to trauma, healthy eating, and how addressing foundational wellness affects the mind:
  • “I think that foundation is healthy eating and then getting healthy sleep… So many contributing factors we’re starting to learn are massive contributors to just a healthier life.” – Rory [24:49]

4. Religion, Upbringing, and Growth

[29:18] - [35:16]

• Rory no longer adheres to organized religion but values the core lesson: treating others with decency.
• Critiques modern Christianity for losing sight of foundational values and succumbing to divisive tribalism.
• Reflects on personal evolution, owning past insensitivities, and the importance of self-awareness:
  • “If I’m gonna go on stage and talk about someone else’s behavior, then I have to confront my own past behavior... And I have to say, also, if I’m going to go on stage and talk about someone else’s behavior, then I have to confront my own past behavior and reconcile. Do I think I’m an improved person now?” – Rory [33:29]

5. Accountability, Apology, and Growth Culture

[35:58] - [39:42]

• The group laments contemporary “right-fighter” attitudes and “cancel culture,” praising those able to admit fault and change.
• Real remorse and accountability have social currency; perfection is not, nor should be, the expectation.
  • “I think a lot of people don’t realize the currency of genuinely showing remorse… asking forgiveness.” – Rory [38:33]

6. Streaming TV, Show Cancellations, and Physical

[44:44] - [48:51]

• Rory discusses the abrupt ending of Apple TV’s "Physical" after three seasons, compared to the original five-season vision.
  • “It’s really unfortunate… audiences are owed a little bit of closure to these stories…” – Rory [45:31]
• Bryan and Rory discuss how the economics of streaming have hurt creative storytelling—show contracts are terminated based on subscriber numbers, not artistic merit.

7. Making ‘Those Who Can’t’

[51:59] - [55:19]

• Bryan fanboys over "Those Who Can’t," sharing a hilarious story about downloading the show while fighting chickens on a trip in Spain.
• Rory recounts its origins: filming a “pilot” for Amazon during the early days of streaming TV, doing the show with friends, and “not taking it seriously at all.”
  • “I just kept trying to get them to break… at no point did it feel like a job job… I was too inexperienced to let doubt or expectations seep in. I just had fun.” – Rory [54:46]

8. Improvisation, Standup, and Rory’s Artistic Voice

[56:35] - [60:39]

• Rory unpacks his artistic process: wanting to act vs. focusing on standup, and finding his most authentic creative work in standup.
• The recent Max special ("Religion, Sex, and a Few Things In Between") is a point of pride, especially for its improvisational elements.
  • “My brain is in standup mode… But I know at the end of April, I’ll be going back to start shooting other stuff… Let’s not just do enough. Let’s try to be, you know, remarkable.” – Rory [60:20]

9. On Largo and the Alt-Comedy Scene

[39:58] - [42:27]

• Discussion of LA’s famous Largo club as a creative hotspot, with comedians and musicians experimenting in a supportive space.
  • “Largo just happens to be that great, sort of... place to go experiment as a proven artist.” – Rory [41:26]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Being an Informed Citizen (Humorous Vaccine Opener)

"If it saves my life, fine. If it kills me, great. But the last thing you will ever see me do is Google what’s in the vaccine and then sit there and pretend as though I understand the words that I’m reading. Whoa. Glorbasahal! Whoa, whoa, whoa!" — Rory Scovel [00:00]

On Religion and Authenticity

“Anything beyond that [being good to others] is just so unnecessary… wildly outdated… That one element of how to be a person is universal… All the other minutiae has nothing to do with anything. It has literally zero importance.” — Rory Scovel [29:46]

“Religion is really kind of a communal club. It’s another great example that we as humans crave community. Unfortunate that it’s now been tainted.” — Rory Scovel [31:34]

On Self-Growth and Owning Faults

“I have made many mistakes… If you’re past those mistakes, then you’re living a human, real human life.” — Rory Scovel [34:23]

“People think they’ve lost if they admit that they weren’t right the whole time.” — Rory Scovel [35:17]

On Streaming Media & Series Endings

“People on that side of the table, on that side of the camera don’t factor in that maybe all these audiences are owed a little bit of closure to these stories as opposed to deciding to abruptly end them.” — Rory Scovel [45:31]

On Discovery, Creation, and Audience

“Who am I doing this for? … You reconfigure who you think you are as an artist.” — Rory Scovel [58:20]

“I do already know in my soul that I’m very good at stand up. I know it. … I think I’ve only gotten so far in standup because I like acting and I like standup and so I’ve given each half effort.” — Rory Scovel [59:53]

On Improv and Standup

“You are a natural storyteller. I call you a tendril comic. … Someone who knows how to take a left turn and then get back on the road at some point. But in between, we’re going to have a little laughs with this absurdity.” — Bryan Green [61:14]

On Artistry & Taking Creative Risks

“When you realize you don’t have that audience member [my dad] anymore, you go, well, then what is it that I’m trying to do and for who and what am I trying to say?” — Rory Scovel [58:20]

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Timed Highlights (Timestamps)

• 00:00-01:12 — Rory’s tongue-in-cheek take on vaccine skepticism (“Glorbasahal!”)
• 13:13-17:14 — Rory’s upbringing, moving from Greenville to Denver, and growing up Catholic in a large family
• 17:14-24:49 — ADHD diagnosis, medication, and impact on learning and life skills
• 29:18-31:47 — The role of religion, moving beyond dogma, and evolving faith and values
• 35:58-38:39 — Conversations on accountability, apologizing, and growth
• 39:58-42:27 — Why LA’s Largo remains an acclaimed performance space for both comics and musicians
• 44:44-48:51 — Why so many prestige series are canceled at 3 seasons; practicality vs. art in TV
• 51:59-55:19 — The hilarious behind-the-scenes story of filming the pilot for "Those Who Can’t"
• 56:35-66:01 — Rory reflects on balancing standup, acting, and artistry after personal loss

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

The episode is quintessentially TCB: chaotic, deeply personal, and packed with random asides (e.g., “auto-blow” machines, chicken attacks on Bryan in Spain). The chemistry between the hosts and Rory is palpable, moving easily from hilarity to vulnerable self-reflection. Like the best “hang” conversations, there’s no airtight structure—just shared stories, honest opinions, and lessons from years in comedy, show business, and life.

“You are a smart, kind, empathetic, self-aware human being who also happens to be hilarious.” — Bryan Green [66:36]

For fans of comedy, artistry, or simply curious, candid conversations, this episode offers a rich blend of humor, wisdom, and behind-the-scenes insight.

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Links to Rory’s Special, Tour, and Socials are in the episode notes!
Listen for the full, unfiltered conversation.

Transcript

[Rory Scoville]

I still don't know what's in the vaccine, and I'll never know what's in the vaccine. I'm not so stupid. I'm gonna go sit down to find out how fucking dumb I am. Yeah, I got the vaccine. Yes. I got all the boosters. If it saves my life, fine. If it kills me, great. But the last thing you will ever see me do is. Is Google what's in the vaccine and then sit there and pretend as though I understand the words that I'm reading. Whoa. Glorbasahal. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Actually, whoa. Actually, that is like, a big deal. I didn't know we were there yet with Glorbasol. Glad that's in there. But I'll tell you what, that Tetratranazine, that's got me wondering, who's really in charge. On this episode of the commercial break. The start of that show was when Amazon was getting into streaming.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Rory Scoville]

Shows.

[Brian Green]

Yep.

[Rory Scoville]

And I remember this was absurd to everybody because everyone's like, Amazon is where I buy packages.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

They were gonna now do tv. So it seemed crazy, but they decided to do this competition where they would give these applicants a certain amount of money to make a pilot. They would post all the pilots, and whoever got the most views, the top two would, like, get a show.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And so these guys came up with this show. They hired me to play the principal. These are my friends on the lowest budget, shooting something at a high school in Denver. And I didn't take it seriously at all. The next episode of the commercial break starts now.

[Brian Green]

2:30 in the morning. Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens. Welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Kristen Joy Hoadley. Best to you.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Best to you, Brian.

[Brian Green]

Best to you out there on the podcast universe. Thanks for joining us. It's a TCB infomercial Tuesday with Rory Scovell. I am so excited to have him.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

Here with us today. This has been a long time in the making. I asked a long time ago for this for Rory to show up, and he did not. And now he is here. And I am very excited because one of my favorite television shows of all time is a show called those who Can't. It's a television show that had a brief run on TruTV, three or four seasons, I think, and now you can't even find it. We were just looking for it and you can't find it. I know it's crazy, but it is.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

One of the Physical.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah, he's also been on Physical. He's been in a lot. Babylon. He's been in a lot of television programs. He's done a lot of standup. And he is known. Known as an improvisational comic of. He was like on the top of the mountain as far as improv comedy is concerned. He's always down there. Lago, we're going to Largo, darling. We're going to Lago to see Rory and Conan and maybe catch a little Jean Mayer of Largo. I wish I was in LA so I could go to Largo.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I know we'd be down there.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Just to say you're going to Largo. I'm going to Largo, darling. I'm going to Largo.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Meet me at Largo.

[Brian Green]

Meet me at Largo. And you think like, Largo is this magical place with like palm trees growing in the middle of it, you know, a pool where they have girls in one piece, bathing suits and bathing caps. You know, Largo seems like a magical place. But then you look at it, it looks like a dining hall. It's like a dining hall, but Largo. If you go to their Instagram, anybody who's anybody is at Largo. And I saw during the pandemic Covid, I saw Rory was at Largo a lot. So he must be, you know, he must be good because everyone's there. Everyone's showing up at Largo. Every comic we've had on this show, maybe with the notable exception of just a few, as I've seen their picture at Largo over the last six months. It's insane and then some. We haven't had like Conan.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right. Well, they do music and stand up.

[Brian Green]

They're known for a lot of things. So anyway, so Rory is a very diverse, very well rounded actor and comedian. And I just couldn't be more excited. This is like a personal. Yes, it's a personal. I'm personally fanboying just a little bit because those who can't is great and you can't find it anywhere. So I implore you, the listener, to write into TruTV or whoever owns the rights, I think it's true TV to release. Release the hounds. Release the those who can't. Oh, and Rory has a special that came out about a year ago to much ballyhoo. I think it was like kind of all over the place. A lot of press about it, religion, sex and a few things in between is now on streaming on Max plus Minus HBO Plus Minus. It's on that HBO but it's on that app. I watched it over the last couple of days. I thought it was brilliant.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It really is very fun.

[Brian Green]

Brilliant.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

He's also on tour.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, he's also on tour. So all the links in the show, notes to all of that get tickets to his tour and all of his, you know, his Instagram, his TikTok, all of his social handies handy. I'm thinking about that Auto Blow toy. I'm thinking about the Auto Blow.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right before this, we got pitched a device, you know, for us to advertise.

[Brian Green]

Let me break down the fourth wall for the 50,000 time on this show. We. It takes a lot of work to book this show and Astrid and the great team at CTB book the show, the guests on the show. But that doesn't mean that we also don't get pitched a lot of guests outside that kind of circle of trust that we have, so to speak, the tree of trust, the nest, the safe nest. And we get pitched so many guests through our general mailbox, like PR people just, you know, throwing auto generated emails, I'm sure out there. And we got the most interesting one about an hour ago. The creator and owner of the Auto Blow machine, which is, I guess, the world's best auto masturbator. I'm sure Rory's gonna love that. This is the intro to his DCP info. But the Auto Blow machine is one of these, like, it's a huge contraption.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It almost looks like a humidifier.

[Brian Green]

Yes, yes, it's like mine. It's like a small VW bus. But this one you have to plug into the wall. At least mine was chargeable. You can take it off the plug. But this one you plug into the wall and then you sit it on yourself and then it just like, does its thing. Auto blowing you to complete. Auto blowing you to completion. And there's a. You can sync it with real life porn movies. So there's some porn movies where you can, I guess, like Pink Floyd's Dark side of the Moon in Wizard of Oz. You can start it both at the credits and then it'll auto blow you to completion. Just like the movie.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

There's something for everyone.

[Brian Green]

So anyway, probably not gonna have that guy on as a guest, but maybe, I don't know, maybe that's what we should do. Maybe that's where we get our. I'm gonna tell him. I say If I get 30% of any sales that come from the commercial break, I'll probably be a millionaire. After that episode, everyone's gonna be Like, I got an auto blow. A tcb. Auto blow. A tcb.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

We could do a collab.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, we could do a collab. A TCB collab with the auto blow guy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, I mean, it does tie in with the EPMs.

[Brian Green]

It does. Listen, it's not above us to have. It's not like I'm saying we're too good to have the auto blow guy on. We're not. It's just. Can we actually have a conversation with the auto blow without getting electrocuted? That's all I'm saying. I don't trust something you got to plug in. I just don't. I'm not putting that thing on my dick. I'm sorry. It's just not happening. I don't. I like to hide what I'm doing my thing because I don't even want to see me. I know. I was talking to somebody a couple months ago, and they were like, yeah, it's kind of weird, you know, you're in the mirror doing your thing, and I'm like, in the mirror? You do it in the mirror? You're watching yourself in the mirror. That's gross. I feel bad for Astrid. I like to turn the lights off so at least she doesn't have to look at this while she's trying to auto blow herself to completion. Good times.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And anyways, back to Rory.

[Brian Green]

Rory's here. Rory's on tour. He's got that special. He's been in Physical, he's been in those who can't, which you cannot watch anywhere. So I don't know why I'm talking about it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, I got you through. It was your. Your emotional support video series that got.

[Brian Green]

You through my North. My Northwest Spain adventure with the Airbnb that had no air conditioning, chickens, and no Internet or television, which. Hey, listen, I'm sure that for some people, that's like, you know, that's the best thing that ever happened. Yeah, that's the best thing that ever happened. But for me, it was the worst thing that ever happened because I was like, wait, I gotta sit around with my extended family and talk with no.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Distraction and no Waffle House around?

[Brian Green]

That's right.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

To escape, too.

[Brian Green]

I think we were there for about a day and a half, two days, if I. The story. If I recall the story before we took off to a hotel. I think you.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I think I remember you coming back and saying that.

[Brian Green]

Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. We left the rest of the family there, and Astrid's like, I already know. I Came to her and I'm like, honey. And she goes, I already know. I booked a hotel. I booked a hotel. And I'm like, all right, yeah, but those who can't. I downloaded it onto my phone while holding my phone up in the middle of the street, trying to get my neighbor's Internet in Spain while the chickens were coming after me. I didn't even know chickens were knocked. That's the weirdest thing I know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I pictured them, like, roosting down for the evening.

[Brian Green]

On their little house. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, like, the WI fi waves are going through.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Their brains and they're like, they were chasing you.

[Brian Green]

They thought it was morning time. They thought, oh, this guy's here to feed us. And I said, no, I'm here to looking for Internet. Get off my leg. Get away. They're scary. They're. When they're that big. Well, it was a rooster, actually. And he was. He was not happy that I was hanging out near his ladies. Yeah, he was defending the hen house. I said, listen, it doesn't even work for human women, so it's not going to work for chickens. Don't worry about it. I'm good. I'm just looking for some true TV comedy. That's what I'm looking for.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

So let's do that. So before we get way far off track, check out Rory special. If he's coming close, get some tickets to his tour. We got lots to discuss with. With him, so let's do this. Why don't we take a break, Chrissy, and when we get back through the magic of tele podcasting, you and I will have Rory right here in our. In my living room, essentially. I wish I could do that, but I'm too throaty today to do Wa.

[Rachel]

Bam.

[Brian Green]

It sounds real now. It's like we're on our 10th fake spring around here, and the pollen is starting to snow. Pollen in Atlanta, because it rained over the weekend and it was warm and now it's cold. So that what happens? The trees jizz pollen directly into my sinuses, and then I've got a tree semen based infection in my nose. That's what happens. Sock puppet like Ari. Sock puppet.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That was funny.

[Brian Green]

That was funny. All right, we'll talk lots of more about all that jazz when we get back with our good friend. Our good friend with hopefully our friend Scovel. We'll be back.

[Rachel]

Hey, it's Rachel, your new voice of God here on tcb. And just like you, I'm wondering just how much longer this podcast can continue. Let's all rejoice that another episode has made it to your ears. And I'll rejoice that my check is in the mail. Speaking of mail, get your free TCB sticker in the mail by going to tcbpodcast.com and visiting the Contact Us page. You can also find the entire commercial break library audio and video, just in case you want to look at [e-mail] Want your voice to be on an episode of the show? Leave us a message at 212-4333, TCB. That's 212-433-3822. Tell us how much you love us and we'll be sure to let the world know on a future episode. Or you could make fun of us. That'd be fine too. We might not air that, but maybe. Oh, and if you're shy, that's okay. Just send a text, we'll respond. Now I'm going to go check the mailbox for payment while you check out our sponsors. And then we'll return to this episode of the commercial break.

[Brian Green]

And Rory's here with us now. Thank you for your time. Very grateful to have you here with us today.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Brian Green]

Where in the world are you located?

[Rory Scoville]

I am in Denver, Colorado, Mile high. As of, I don't know, six months or something.

[Brian Green]

How do you like. Yeah, how do you like Denver?

[Rory Scoville]

Love it. Absolutely love it a lot.

[Brian Green]

You are from, originally from Greenville, South Carolina, is that right? Yeah, right around the corner from where we are. We're here in Atlanta.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I'm up there all the time.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, it's. Greenville has become quite the little, like a little pocket of cool crazy. Yeah. And I didn't know that. I went and saw a Pearl Jam there like maybe like seven or eight years ago and we split, spent a couple days in Greenville and just kind of darted around to, from here to there. And I thought, what a cool city that I have never thought twice about living an hour and a half away.

[Rory Scoville]

And you know, it's now very, it's very popular. It's always on the list of top 10 mid mid sized cities in the country, which has not been a good thing for them.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Because it has now flooded the city and now real estate is crazy in a, in a negative way. If anyone grew up there is like, I'm gonna buy a house now.

[Brian Green]

It's like, well, $700,000.

[Rory Scoville]

That price is substantially higher.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

The fact that you guys can't stop advertising. How great.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, but we see that. We see the commercials all the time. I think I saw a billboard one time. It was like, yeah, Greenville is second Atlanta and we don't want it. Or Greenville is Atlanta number two, we don't want it. Or something along those lines. It was like. It was like the Greenville tourism board said, please don't come. We're not interested in your bullshit.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, you know, we're not great after bad.

[Brian Green]

We are the armpit of Atlanta. Don't bother. Yeah, it's a great jaunt if you. I mean, if you live here in Atlanta, you can go an hour and a half away. But I do understand places like Asheville and Charleston and, you know these places. Charleston has always been a tourist city, but Charleston also is just like overrun with tourists, like every other tourist town in the world. In places like Greenville, which are like these tertiary cities, they get inundated with human beings that go there for the weekend. And then they decide to, since I can now work from home, let me go live there. And then people like Rory's family have to pay $850,000 for a thousand square foot dump shack. People are like, fuck, what happened? This used to be $100,000. Your parents still live there? I mean, your family still live there?

[Rory Scoville]

I've got a lot of family there and I've got. I'm one of seven.

[Brian Green]

Jesus.

[Rory Scoville]

And so the three oldest all moved away. My older sister lives in Virginia, I live in Denver. And then my sister, just after me, lives in se old.

[Brian Green]

Okay, so one of seven. So what are your. How did you grow up? Do you grow up Catholic? Christian?

[Rory Scoville]

Catholic.

[Brian Green]

Catholic.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Had to be. Catholic.

[Brian Green]

Had to be Catholic.

[Rory Scoville]

It has to be. It's.

[Brian Green]

I want to make the assumption, but I wanted to make the assumption.

[Rory Scoville]

The best joke ever. And it's, it's. It's such an old classic of his. I mean, before he was wildly famous, it was just always like, whenever someone says how many kids they have, they always say catholic.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. By. So my mother passed away when I was really young, and it was me and my older sister. My dad remarried when I was six or seven and then five. Five half siblings.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

Jeez, it's like a little Brady Bunch situation going on in the army.

[Rory Scoville]

We're Brady Bunch Army.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And so you're. So where do you fit in the group?

[Rory Scoville]

Second oldest.

[Brian Green]

Second.

[Rory Scoville]

Of all seven.

[Brian Green]

Of all seven. Wow. It's got to be. That's got to be. So I'm one of four. My mom was one of eight. Good Catholic, you know, upbringing. My mom Wanted more. My dad, I think, understood that this is it. This is the limit. I don't have any. I don't know how many more credit cards I can. Oh, right.

[Rory Scoville]

He's like, the money isn't increasing.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

Because the people are.

[Brian Green]

That's right. That's right. And we're all going to Catholic school. Like little good Catholic children. We're all going to Catholic school. Did you go to Catholic school all your life?

[Rory Scoville]

I did kindergarten through eighth grade, as did all seven of us. And then my older sister and I, the only two that then went to a private Episcopalian high school. Oh, I went there until I basically failed 10th grade. My dad was like, this is so expensive. What are we doing? Yeah, I went to public high school and was immediately on the high honor roll.

[Brian Green]

No shit. Well, yeah, because. So when I was. I lived in Chicago, born in Chicago, and I go to Catholic grade school there. And first, for those of you that aren't Catholic, you may not understand that the archdiocese. At least when I went to school, and I'm sure maybe. Rory, the archdiocese will fund. They will fund some of your education if you are Catholic and you attend one of their archdiocese churches. Right? So, like here in Atlanta. So when we were in Chicago, the education was mostly free. I think they paid a couple hundred dollars a month for whatever. And then the uniforms, and then the. And then the. And then the. But when we got here, my dad was just like, I just moved here. I have a new job. I don't know how long I'm gonna have the job. I gotta. I'm sorry, guys. You're gonna have to go sixth grade. You're gonna have to do middle school. Out of the frying pan into the fire. The difference between the two educations was. And I went to one of the nicest suburban middle schools in the country, and I felt like I was getting eaten up by a big flower. I mean, like a big, like, dragonfly. It was crazy how much different. The attitudes, moods. And just having 700 children in your grade was. Right.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

So when I go. Then we go back to Catholic school after sixth grade because my dad realized that we were. The black eye that I had for the entire year was probably not good for my confidence. And my dad found a way to get it done. And here's the point. We get to sixth grade, we get to seventh grade in the private school, back in Catholic school, and within three months, the teachers are like, we've actually got to hold them back a grade, because I don't think they learned Much. In that sixth grade. You just. There's a difference between the speed at which they educate you when there's 15 kids in the class versus 500.

[Rory Scoville]

True. Yeah. It's intense.

[Brian Green]

And so you. You hit high honor roll in the.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. I mean, I. I was adhd. Still. ADHD stops, but. Or maybe it does. Maybe we're learning now that our diets contribute heavily. I was diagnosed in high school, and I could not have been a more obvious case. And they put me on Ritalin.

[Brian Green]

Oh.

[Rory Scoville]

To start.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And it messed with my appetite.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

So then they put me on Adderall. And this is. You know, this is the 90s, when it.

[Brian Green]

Like the go go 90s.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. The ADHD of it all is kind of new to the world of something that someone has. And even still, someone would just say, well, you're choosing to not pay attention. And what's so funny or interesting about that is that the person with adhd myself, was always being told that by an adult, where I was like, oh, yeah, I must not be choosing to pay attention as opposed to arguing on my own behalf of. It must be something beyond a choice.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. It's like a continuation of the Catholic guilt. It's like. And I mean, we know this uniquely as Catholics going to Catholic school, but you are not applying yourself. You are not focused. You cannot sit still. And it's like in your head, you're thinking, what is this original sin that I'm born with that I can't sit here and pay attention?

[Rory Scoville]

Well, I think you buy into it because the way your brain works is that if there's something you're even slightly interested in, you almost crush at it so hard because you're. You're in it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And if you're not even interested even a little bit, you can't fake it. You cannot turn your brain on to retain any information. So it's always, like, interesting to me to be like, you're choosing to not pay attention. It's like, well, I wouldn't choose to fail 10th grade.

[Brian Green]

Exactly.

[Rory Scoville]

Choose to walk into a test and always panic, not knowing what to do. Anyways, going back, they put me on Adderall, and I immediately start just soaring. Like, my grades are incredible. But the downside is that probably to surprise to no one is that I would go home and do my homework, and then I would just sit in my room, like, in a chair with just my mind, zero stimulation, and just spiral out into deep thought about anything existential.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Man.

[Brian Green]

You got in a way where deep.

[Rory Scoville]

Personal thought like, that can be healthy. But the Adderall wouldn't release me from it. I would just be sort of stuck in that, and it would depress me. And then before college, I took myself off of it, and I. I just sometimes think that there's just predetermined choices. I don't know why I took myself off of it, but I had an instinct that this was not good for me, and I took myself off of the thing that was making my gr.

[Brian Green]

Yes. You know, this. I. I feel like you and I have a very similar story, because I also. In 11th grade, I had. There was a lot of trouble. There's some family strife, but I also was one of those kids who was diagnosed with adhd. I have a twin brother. And I think what happened is that me and my twin brother kind of suffered the same fates in a lot of situations, because they didn't. There weren't that many twins, and they didn't know what else to do. If you're adhd, you can't not do this, and you have to do this, and we'll all go together, and we're just doing it that way. And they put me on Adderall. Ritalin. Excuse me. They put me on Ritalin, and it made me so anxious, and I would sweat up a storm. You know, you're already. I'm already. I'm already Irish. So I'm schfitzing all over the place. I got these huge armpit stains, but then I'm wearing these coats in the middle of winter just to cover these armpit stains. But I would go to class, and I would just be so intensely focused on something and so nervous at the same time about everything. And so it didn't last long. I was there. I was on that for maybe two or three months. And when I took it off, I found a way to kind of focus in on things. Yeah, but these. These kids, they're on really intense stimulants. I also took myself off of. Mainly cocaine is mainly what I took myself off of, essentially.

[Rory Scoville]

Mad.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Meth. And then you. You know, nowadays you take everything with a grain of salt because someone is feeding you real science, and then someone's feeding you fake science, and you're like, just give me the truth. Yes, I'll do it if you just tell me the thing to do. But I saw some study about kids being fed healthier foods, and that's a contributing factor. I've also listened to podcasts talking about how trauma is a contributing factor to adhd. So it's I don't know what any of it is, but I will say eating healthier. I'm finally able to read a book without reading each page five times.

[Brian Green]

Oh, my God. Isn't that the worst? Isn't that the worst? I got into that phase in my 30s, too. You had to read it each time. Do you find as you're getting older that you're paying more attention to the. I think it's kind of like the butterfly effect. Like, I don't know that all of these things are connected, but I feel like if one thing is affecting one thing, then it must be affecting the other. In other words, it all kind of is interconnected. So if you're eating better and you're addressing past traumas or situations in your life that may be locked inside your head or weighing you down emotionally, if you take care of those things, address those things, it can only improve everything a little bit more, right?

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, I agree a million percent. I think that foundation is healthy eating and then getting healthy sleep.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Sleep. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

So many, many contributing factors that we're starting to learn are massive contributors to just a healthier life. And yet, for some reason, there are people out there that pretend as though we fully understand the human experience and that none of that stuff can be true. And they would rather defend horrific eating habits and chemicals in our food. And they look at you as though you're lumped in with people who come up with wild conspiracy theories and you're not. It's like, yeah, if you have a food company and you don't want to pay a lot of money, you might cut corners.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Cutting corners, we now know, can sometimes lead to cancer. Like idea. It's just someone wanted to save money, and at the time, they didn't know that it would be detrimental to our health.

[Brian Green]

Correct.

[Rory Scoville]

And just because we know it now doesn't mean we're conspiracy theorists. Hey, let's just try to right the path here. And instead of doing that, some people would rather go, no, McDonald's is an American tradition.

[Brian Green]

People are. They. I think they get stuck in their heads and they get stuck in their ways. And I think also. And you. I know you know this because I watch your special and I sense that you're onto this. Is that the tribalism is so strong that if you. Everything is about one or the other, black or white, when everything's really gray, it's like, if you believe in eating healthy, then you must be one of these health conspiracy nuts who believes every, you know, big McDonald's, big McDonald's is a big conspiracy to keep us all fat and ugly and. And weighed down. But. And you voted for that girl or you voted for this guy. But that's not the truth. You can evolve, like we can evolve and not believe that, you know, 5G waves are going to activate the COVID vaccine and send us all to hell. But eating, not eating McDonald's every day for lunch is probably not good for us. There is a middle space there where you can believe those two things can be true at the same time.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, it's. It's about. I think, you know, there's certain things you get. If someone says, Look, 5G is these waves out in the world that cause cancer, you can go, all right, well, I don't know what you want me to do about that.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

But if there is something to be done about that, I could probably, on a local, communal level, start to defend the fact that I think there should be accountability for local politicians and. And government employees on the most local, district level, and then regional and then statewide. And then eventually you go, well, if that accountability has grown into a beautiful flower, then more than likely we'll get to hear the truth about what 5G. True.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, it's true.

[Rory Scoville]

Because we will have unmuddied the waters. But instead, to your point, people get very tribalistic and they don't realize how driven they are by their own egos, that they can't put it away. And the irony is that a lot of them are deeply religious. Yeah. And I think that's supposed to teach you to get rid of your ego.

[Brian Green]

I think it is. You know, but, you know, you did this special on HBO on Max. It's streaming now on Max. It's brilliant. It's really good.

[Rory Scoville]

Thank you.

[Brian Green]

You're welcome. And you go right at it right from the beginning. You hit right at the kind of the gut of religion. What is your. Where are you now? And where are you now in kind of your evolution about religion? You grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school just like I did. Something turned me off big time about the theocracy and some of the idiocracy. And I was just having this conversation with my dad yesterday, but. Which was not a comfortable conversation, but because he said that conc. The movie was Hollywood pushing a liberal agenda on it. And I was like, dad. Anyway, I said, dad, you know, the Catholic Church has been a hiding ground, like literally a place for gay men and women to go hide for years. And the fact that the Pope might or might not understand that is not a Hollywood conspiracy. That's been written. It's the truth. But anyway, where do you stand in religion as an adult? Adult?

[Rory Scoville]

I don't adhere to it, and it isn't because I despise it. I think that a lot of early education, going to church, being taught about Jesus from a. From a child standpoint, I learned a lot about Jesus.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And my perception was this is the blueprint of what everyone is supposed to try to, you know, aspire to.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Rory Scoville]

Is to behave this way and to treat others this way. And I think anything beyond that is just so unnecessary. It's also wildly outdated. Like that one element of how to be a person is universal and eternal. That will never change.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

All the other minutiae has nothing to do with anything. It has literally zero importance to educating people to simply conduct themselves respectfully.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

And to treat others respectfully. You don't need the rest of it. And so I think from what I can gather, watching, listening to modern Christianity, and this extends probably to other religions, I just know Christianity. But to me, the modern version of it has lost sight of that. And the only reason I say that is because of the people who tell me they're Christian. And then I see their actions. The words can always be the words. But that was another thing we learned as a kid. Yes, the words don't matter.

[Brian Green]

No.

[Rory Scoville]

It's all the actions. And so that's all I'm going off of, is a politician or. Or a political leader or a religious leader or people who locally want to go out and be religious and be sort of street evangelicals. Just listening to them, feeling them, sensing what energy they're putting beyond what they're saying. I'm sorry, I'm like, that just does, to me, doesn't line up with Jesus, and it doesn't line up with. With improving.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So true.

[Rory Scoville]

Or opening people's eyes. And so sadly, I think religion is really kind of a. A communal club. It's another great example that we as humans crave community.

[Brian Green]

That's it.

[Rory Scoville]

Fortunate that it's now been tainted.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. It's so tainted. And it adds to the tribalism, and now it's political, which is just crazy to me because that was my dad as a kid. I don't know. Maybe your parents were like this also. My dad. I remember this specifically during one of the elections, like the first Clinton election, second Clinton election, when I was aware enough that an election was happening. And I asked my dad, who did you vote for? And he looked at me and he said, you never ask somebody that question. He said, you never asked somebody that question. He's my fucking father. He wouldn't tell me who he voted for, which was insane. But I long for those. I long for the day. Long for the day when you didn't. But, you know, you are. I think you are. You and I think a lot alike about this. And I know Chrissy does, too, because we've talked a lot about it on the show. It's like religion in and of itself is not the evil creature it is. It can be a conduit to such great things, but it can also be a conduit to money, power, and violence. And it has been throughout history, if you look, it's probably done a little bit more bad than it has good, but it really begins and ends with do unto others. That's it. And that story's been told. That story was told seven times before Jesus Christ supposedly even walked on the earth. This. This kind of the same story. And I love that you wrap in this new special, or it's not new now, but it's been out for about, what, a year?

[Rory Scoville]

A year. About a year, yeah.

[Brian Green]

It's so good. And you wrap this in such a hilarious package, but it's pointed and it's satirical and it's improvisational, I would imagine, at moments. And it's just really good. It's really sharp. And you go at it and the audience seems to be with you because it's hard to defend. It's hard to knock common sense. Like, it's just hard to knock common sense.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I'm addicted to it. My earliest days of doing standup, I just always was drawn to hypocrisy, even my own. And I gotta say, like, you can become a better person through your craft. If I'm gonna go on stage and talk about other people's hypocrisies, that I'm confronted by my own. And. And I have to say, also, if I'm going to go on stage and talk about someone else's behavior, then I have to confront my own past behavior and reconcile. Do I think I'm an improved person now? I think a lot of people just want to be born into a world where they go, this is what I was taught, and this is who I am, and this is how it is. Yeah, it's wildly bland and incredibly boring. I think it's wildly more interesting for someone to go, I have made many mistakes. And you go, well, then, who are you now? Because if you're past those mistakes, then you're living a Human. Real human life.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory Scoville]

If you can come to those terms and say, I didn't used to treat people well. If you come to those terms and go, I used to. I mean, these aren't specific to me, but I did grow up in South Carolina, used to make inappropriate jokes that were maybe racial or misogynistic. And maybe I didn't have respect for women. The same way in college, where I was just, like, being a college guy. I didn't. I know when you use this as an example, people and me would think.

[Brian Green]

Well, what did you get? What did you do, Rory?

[Rory Scoville]

I just mean I wasn't a gentleman. I just mean that I didn't look at women to be like, oh, we're all equals in this way. And I don't look now at that space in my life. Yeah, I wish I wasn't like that. But I don't look at it with embarrassment or shame, because that is what led me to where I am now, where I'm not that way.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

And have a different perspective of it. And I just think we have a lot of people that think they've lost if they admit that they weren't right the whole time.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

And they don't understand that you can't bring other people towards something that's a little more peaceful if you can't even see your faults.

[Brian Green]

That's right.

[Rory Scoville]

And I think people think, think, well, I want. I don't want to have faults. It's like, it's the most common thing. We all. Every single person, varying degrees of these faults. And it's like, you know, obviously, when you have faults that are. We're now talking about the law, that's a different story.

[Brian Green]

Right.

[Rory Scoville]

I'm talking about faults where people just go, socially, I could have been a better person. I could have been more respectful. I could have defended someone at a time when they needed to be defended. And instead, I decided to join the side of the bully, or I decided to talk to people like that. You know, I think people just don't want to admit that at some point they were kind of a bad person.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I'm happy to admit that I would much rather spend time with a person who was a real shithead, but is a. But is now becoming self aware or has become self aware and is doing their best than to spend time with someone who's pious, but won't give up the idea that they're ever wrong. And because that is the worst sin, quote unquote, to me, is our right fighters, like, okay, man, you know, at all expenses, you have to be right. But maybe you were wrong. Maybe you were wrong. And you know what? The biggest lesson that I've learned, I think over the, in my marriage, and I learned this, and I think it's the most valuable lesson I have ever learned. It is not the top of the mountain is not always to be right. You have to learn which hills to die on. And you can always evolve. Your thought can always evolve. You don't always have to be right. You don't always have to hold on to the idea that this is the way it always will be. The only thing that ever changed, the only thing that never changes is that everything always changes. And I would like to think we all learned that lesson at some point. But, man, do I know a whole lot of fucking people who just don't. They just don't. They're just so stuck. And that's okay. That's also their lot. And so let them carry on with it. I'm gonna be wrong a lot more than I'm ever gonna be right. But I'm also quick to admit when I'm wrong. This whole podcast, all thousand hours of it, is a testament to how wrong Brian is.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

There's a lot of examples.

[Brian Green]

I can be right. And I think, conversely, a lot of people are quick to say, this person was wrong and we can never allow them back in the circle.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, that's true.

[Brian Green]

Kick them out. Right? And I think, yeah, and, and I agree there are some things that have been, we've, we've talked about this ad nauseam on this show, but you know, Harvey Weinstein probably never coming back in the circle. Those are just things you can't, hard to forgive. And you don't want to be around that character. But some people, sometimes you say stuff and then years later you realize that was a real shitty thing I, I, I said. And if you can learn from it, okay, come back. You know, all right, come back. You're all right. You're okay. Cool. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. I think a lot of people don't realize the currency of, of genuinely showing remorse.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Asking forgiveness.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Well, it's hard to see.

[Rory Scoville]

And the admission of, like, when this is such a great example and it's not mine, but when you, like, are at someone's house and you knock something over, you break it and you immediately take ownership and try to make it right by going, oh, I'll pay. I'll, you know, I did this.

[Brian Green]

I'll clean it up. I'll pay for it.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I think People don't understand. Like, more than likely, the person's just like, oh, it's fine. Like, they almost feel bad that you did this, and it's just because you nearly took accountability. You said, yeah, I shouldn't have. Whatever I did. I knocked this thing. I spilled my drink, or whatever. You know, these are minimal things, but still, in a world of anything, we're all human. We have the ability to read each other. People are forfeiting that ability. I don't know how.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

But a lot of us can instinctually feel each other's energy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

You're full of shit.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And I think that's. It's hard to see sometimes when it's wrapped up in PR spirit in and, you know, statements or just, you know, I guess now we just break the rules and don't apologize. And I. I don't know. I don't want to get into anything all political. And I love what you just said. In a world where everyone is wrong. Rory Sco. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Hey, we wanted to ask you about something because we just got fascinated. We went down a whole rabbit hole. What is going on at Largo? Why is Largo the coolest place that's ever been? I saw you a lot at Largo during the. During the COVID Yeah, Largo is just.

[Rory Scoville]

I mean, it's no surprise. It's just an awesome space. Yeah, that. That. I wish that smaller room was open again. Maybe it is now. I don't know. But that smaller room was great. The large room was great. I think it's just flanny. And that whole crew got some history, know how to book it. They know how to bring in cool music. They know how to bring in comedy. And also, they are proof that you can have three comics go up and then bring on the saddest singer songwriter. It won't ruin the show. The audience will enjoy this flavor, and then they'll go right back to laughing. And. Yeah, Largo just, I think, pushes that out there more.

[Brian Green]

So the magic is in the booking because, I mean, if you go to their Instagram page and you just scroll through any given night, it's like, oh, that. That person. That person. Every person we've had on this show is at Largo. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. I think they built that reputation where if you're a comic, it's fun to perform there.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And they take care of you, and it's a great space. And I think if you're a musician, you know, you got to think, like, if Beck, for instance, is There a lot.

[Brian Green]

Oh, really?

[Rory Scoville]

And you think about someone, Beck. It's like, well, Beck wants to do shows that aren't show shows.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

But like work on his craft. It's like Largo just happens to be that great, sort of. I don't want to minimize it by calling it an open mic, but it is a place to go, experiment as a proven artist where you can still go, all right, this is a fun show, but I'm going to try a song I've never done, and that crowd is going to go crazy loving it. Whereas if Beck goes out and does a tour the audience probably doesn't want to hear, hey, here's a song I've never done.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

Here's. Here's a 15 minute jazz improvisational piece I made up in my head when I was taking mushrooms last night. Here you go. Yeah. It seems like a magic room because everybody is there and everybody wants to be there. And it's like, it just feels like a. I've never been. But then you look at it, it's rather unassuming altogether. Right. And then you see everybody who's there. It's like John C. Reilly dressed up as a 1930s, you know, prairie men singing opera. It's like, that's just the weirdest shit that's going on there.

[Rory Scoville]

It's great. They have a cool vibe.

[Brian Green]

You have. Did. You have done so much. So you're. You're. I think you're pretty well known for your improvisational skills. You've got now stand up specials, Netflix, most recently on Max. Did you produce that with Conan o'? Brien? Is that right? Team Coco?

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

How was that experience?

[Rory Scoville]

It's great. Conan has been very supportive for a wildly long time. He is great. How did.

[Brian Green]

How did you guys get connected?

[Rory Scoville]

Did I did his show? I did his show with John door over 12 years ago. Something like that.

[Brian Green]

The television show.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Rory Scoville]

We just went on Conan's. You know Conan.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And we did the double booking kind of sketch bit and it crushed. And I was blown away that Conan even allowed that to be on the show.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Rory Scoville]

It's such a risk.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

As a joke. And then he let us come back and do another thing. And that also worked. And I think after that he was just like, I think you and John are funny. I think you individually are funny. I think that you guys, you know, try to push the envelope and do something different. And so, yeah, all my appearances, he just got behind it and let me try weird stuff. And then I toured with him for a few dates when he was not allowed to be. Not when he was not allowed to be on tv, but when he was trying to do stand up. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And that was a wild period of time for him, by the way, though, that kind of in between space for Conan. He came to Atlanta and literally 50,000 people showed up at the Turner campus. It was crazy. And they, and everybody went nuts. So it must be nice to have a guy like Conan who has, you know, is really revered and respected. We love, Everyone loves Conan. Right. Conan's one of those guys. It's hard to root against Conan. It must be nice to have that kind of mentorship of someone who has done that, done it, been there, been knocked down, gotten back up. He's really made a name for himself. But you've done the standup, you've done the improvisational, you've done sketch, you know, comedy, you've done television comedy. You did Physical, which was a great role. I think we were just talking about that before you came on.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Is it coming back or. No, it's done now.

[Rory Scoville]

Three seasons and done three and done.

[Brian Green]

Three and a half.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

There was a lot of unanswered stuff.

[Rory Scoville]

I know in the middle of shooting the third season is when Apple was like, this is it. And so Annie Weissman, the genius creator, show creator, head writer, showrunner, quickly figured out a way to try to have some kind of closure for the audience. But I'm pretty sure her vision was a five season arc run.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, I could have seen that. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And I think it was going to go to such a different place, but you're suddenly told, hey, you've got six more episodes, or whatever it was. And so she had to pivot out. Yeah, it's a, it's really unfortunate. I think, think, you know, I couldn't sit here and tell you, oh, did this lose money? It's Apple. So I don't even know if they understand how to lose money.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Rory Scoville]

I think a lot of times nowadays, people on that side of the table, on that side of the camera don't factor in that. Maybe all these audiences are owed a little bit of closure to these stories as opposed to deciding to abruptly end them. It's, it's unfortunate for the. Just the craft of storytelling and it's like, hey, maybe you as executives should be doing a better job of not getting involved in buying a show in the first place.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

If you don't think it can execute a full story to begin with. And I don't mean go eight seasons. I think we get a little carried away with that, too. Sure.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right. But ending things on three, like, ending.

[Rory Scoville]

On three is tough, I think. Think, you know, maybe look at some of these shows and go, all right, four to five. Like, buy a show where you think there's a story to be told for four to five seasons. And I mean that in terms of something like Physical, where these aren't just episodes, you know?

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

I go sell a comedy that's just a funny, stupid comedy with not so much weight to the lives of these characters. Well, that's a different show when it abruptly ends. Nobody needs that.

[Brian Green]

That's right. Yeah. No one's emotionally connected. I mean, they might like it. Yeah, they might like it, but they're not emotionally connected.

[Rory Scoville]

I wanted to know how it ends. It's like, well, you probably don't. You're just gonna miss the laughter, right?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

But, you know, a show like Physical, it's like, you know, why not give it at least a fourth season so she can wrap it up a little more eloquently?

[Brian Green]

I think this is the downside, and I think there's a lot of downsides, but I think this is the. The. The wonderful part about prestige TV and the ability to throw. Just throw cash at creative ideas and allow them to manifest themselves in beautiful ways is great. But the downside is once the press gets out there and Physical is great, and everybody watched Physical, and they see a bump in subscribers. We're going to season two, but then it doesn't happen again in season two. It's just like, I'm sorry, we got to let that go. And so you get these kind of. There are so many great shows. Netflix, Hulu, Blue Apple, Amazon, that have three. Three and done. That's it. Three and done. Because I think that's the natural arc of subscriber acquisition due to the show is like, once the press fades out.

[Rory Scoville]

It'S like, what are you gonna fill you in? It's after that third season is when you have to renegotiate contracts. They'd rather not pay us actors more money. And so instead they go, let's just end the show that money and go start another show.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And at season three, will end that show.

[Brian Green]

Show.

[Rory Scoville]

And so it's. It's unfortunate because it's a. It's art that is storytelling. Human nature is our most natural human thing, I think, in. In terms of, like, our. Our. Our connections, of course.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Definitely.

[Rory Scoville]

And instead of supporting it, it's just like, well, we don't want to pay you more Money. And it's like, well, you've already changed everything where your profits are more than they used to be.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

You're paying us less than we used to make.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Rory Scoville]

And also, streaming has absolutely destroyed what used to be, where someone could just go be on a show for a couple seasons and actually do great with royalties.

[Brian Green]

Right.

[Rory Scoville]

But instead, it's.

[Brian Green]

It's one paycheck and done our residuals.

[Rory Scoville]

I mean.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, residuals, yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

It's. It's. It that doesn't exist anymore. And it's kind of one and done and get out of our face. And you're like, all right. And also, things just. There's so much content now. It's tough. I gotta say, I'm fortunate to be a standup comic, but living in the world we live in now, economically, I don't know how sustainable all this stuff actually is.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I don't see it either.

[Brian Green]

I don't see it either. I think it's. Chrissy and I have talked about this, and I kind of take this contrarian stance that Netflix broke something that was not broken. We may not have loved everything about it, but the kind of. The way that cable carried television shows into our homes and allowed good television to stay around, there was something there. And now, yes, we have endless choices, but there's no. The Discovery is hard. If your show's not getting a bunch of press, it's just gonna get buried. You know, the story arcs last for a season, maybe two, maybe three. And it's just really tough as the viewer. Cause you get emotionally. Imagine if severance ended tomorrow, we'd all go throwing our heads through a wall. Well, physical was good, and there's not a lot of closure around it, as is those who can't. And that was one of my favorite television shows of all time. So here's the story. I go, I was lucky enough, enough to take a big, long trip in Spain. My wife is Venezuelan and Spanish, and we have family in Spain. So we said, let's go spend a month in Spain. Let's take the kids. They're young. We're going to go spend a month in Spain. And we traveled all around, and we get to the north of Spain, and my wife had rented an Airbnb that really ended up being like a working chicken farm. We were in the middle of the Andalusian Mountains or wherever the hell we were, and we are on this, like, live chicken farm and the Airbnb. I said, honey, the only thing I need is. I need Internet so that I can make sure. That the show is running and that, you know, we get communication from the network and stuff like that. And she says, oh, don't worry. Every Airbnb we're going to get has Internet, but when we get there, the Internet is coming from. The owner of the house lives two doors down, which is like half a mile away, and she has Internet that she then sends to, like, you know, it's in. It's like a wireless route. So if certain parts of the house you might or might not be able to connect, depending on what day or time, or if the chickens are out, if they're not, or whatever. So I had downloaded. I had watched a couple of episodes of those who can't. And I downloaded the. All the seasons onto my. Onto my phone through TruTV or I think it was true TV. And the way that I did that is in the middle of the night, I snuck out of the front of the house and the chickens followed me and tried to peck at me. They followed me, and I went up to the other house and I started downloading your episodes. And you kept me sane through a good portion of this trip, which I really wanted to go insane. We're in the middle of nowhere, nothing to do. The kids are going crazy. The chickens are shitting everywhere and trying to kill my kids. And I watched your show, and I loved it. I just wish there was so much more of it. That experience. Was that a great experience, making that television show? And so many comedians came on that show.

[Rory Scoville]

Show, yeah, absolutely. Those three guys, Adam and Ben and Andrew, it was. It's so funny that the. The. The start of that show was when Amazon was getting into streaming.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Rory Scoville]

Shows.

[Brian Green]

Yep.

[Rory Scoville]

And I remember this was absurd to everybody because everyone's like, Amazon is where I buy packages.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

They were gonna now do tv. So it seemed crazy, but they decided to do this competition where they would give. Give all these applicants a certain amount of money to make a pilot. They would post all the pilots, and whoever got the most views, the top two would, like, get a show.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And so these guys came up with this show. They hired me to play the principal. These are my friends on the lowest budget, shooting something at a high school in Denver. And I didn't take it seriously at all. I showed up to wear the most ridiculous clothes. And you try to find a picture to send you guys.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, please.

[Rory Scoville]

Like, for the pilot that was never used.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Rory Scoville]

But I had them straight iron my hair. I had, like, kind of longer hair, and it was, like, so creepy looking at a Big beard. And I didn't take one scene seriously. I set the lines, but I just kept trying to get them to break.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And we'd come up with stuff and we'd just like keep shooting. But at no point did it feel like a job job. Then they did the competition. They ended up getting either the most views or the second highest views. But Amazon just wanted to pick the two shows that had a celebrity on it.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

So it didn't matter. The view thing never mattered.

[Brian Green]

It never mattered. They just wanted someone attached to the project. Right.

[Rory Scoville]

And so it kind of died. And everybody was heartbroken to be like, oh, we kind of did win the thing. We were told, yeah. When. And nothing came of it. True TV comes along, kind of a brand new platform, and they decide to buy it it from Amazon, which is probably, I don't know, the cheapest.

[Brian Green]

10. $10.

[Rory Scoville]

And then they, they made it and they're like, do you want to come on and be the principal? It's now going to be an official, you know, 10 episode. I don't know what, how many episodes we did that first season. And I, yeah, I was like, yeah. And we, I just kind of kept doing the same thing. I was like, my friends are my bosses and I'm not taking anything seriously. And I say all of that to say that the reason why it was so fun and why I loved it is because at that point I was too inexperienced to let doubt or expectations seep in that I just had fun as an artist. And I look back now and I go, man, I wish I could somehow get back to that mental state when I step on set. Even if it's a dramatic scene that has no jokes. Jokes. I wish I could get back to fucking play.

[Brian Green]

Just. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Put up these expectations and don't feel like. I mean, a lot of scenes I step into, you know, in something like Babylon, where it's like, here's all these stars. I walk in going, don't be the guy who gets past the ball and dribbles it out of battle.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Rory Scoville]

And that's no way to be. Yeah, well, yeah, the guy goes, when I catch it, I'm shooting it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And that's the mind frame. You have to, have to like, like really sore. And yeah, I look back fondly of that show because I unknowingly was in that headspace.

[Brian Green]

Well, this will probably be the 300th time I've said this on the commercial break, but watch that television show. It is so funny. It is one of the. It is one of the funniest television shows that I honestly have ever seen. I loved it from the first episode. Send me that picture because as a fanboy, I'm going to print it and I'll put it here. Find it.

[Rory Scoville]

I'm going to text Adam because even as I told that story, I was like, oh, I don't know where that picture is. And I would actually love to see that because I looked psychotic.

[Brian Green]

And I think that's a fun part about the show, really, honestly. I mean, all the guys are good. Benny's great, you know, Adam's great. When you. But you are a scene stealer in that show. It's like every time you come out, you want more of the principal because it's just so funny. And I can only imagine how many takes some of this took because if I was standing there, there would have been. There would have been breaking all over the place for sure. Z, what is your favorite. Favorite. What is your favorite thing to thing to do? Is it like, are you still in love with improv? Are you feeling stand up is where your place is? You're kind of versatile. You're one of those few who are doing all. I mean, I guess there's a couple, there's a number of people out there who do it, but not to great effect. You've now been in a great television show, had a great special, been in comedy tv. What is your. What where does your heart lie?

[Rory Scoville]

You know, it's interesting. I don't know how long you want this answer to be, but it could.

[Brian Green]

Be, well, I got all day.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, this could be wildly lengthy.

[Brian Green]

Go.

[Rory Scoville]

I. I will say as someone who started to do standup but also wanted to act and be in stuff, I don't know that I ever thought I'd get as far as I currently have gotten in any of the things that I've done. Like, I thought it was great just to get to be in a few commercials. When I lived in New York City, I thought, oh, wow, people will see that. Like you, you there, you're sort of driven by. I want people to see that I did succeed at stand up.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

Specifically when you say people at the like, you know, family and friends that you grew up with, be like, hey, I chose a different path and I want to show you it worked out. So you're driven to sort of prove that you think you're good enough to do these things, to be an actor and maybe be in something, to be a stand up and do it. And I think something happens where you get to A point. And you realize while that might have been a good motivating factor early on, it.

[Brian Green]

It.

[Rory Scoville]

It also is. Shouldn't be a motivating factor in general as an artist, because you don't create anything new, and you also don't necessarily put anything out there that's wildly personal or vulnerable or has the potential to fail because you are specifically trying to succeed, to show other people you succeeded.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And again, I think that is a fine motivating factor early on. But then eventually you go, well, who am I doing this for? And you sort of reconfigure who you think you are as an artist. So myself now 44, going through the thing I just described, you know, I think for a while I wanted my dad to notice me doing this.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

I wanted him to be like, oh, wow, my son is funny and accomplish these things. And I think that was my dad's. I think that's how he felt. My dad passed away during COVID and I kind of thought standup was done, and I kind of thought most things were done.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

As we all sort of thought things. Yeah, maybe done. But then as stand up came back, I thought I wouldn't do it. And then I went back to it. And I gotta say, going back to something like that is a strange thing. When you are only now realizing you were sort of doing it for one audience member. It changes you when you realize you don't have that audience member anymore, and you go, well, then what is it that I'm trying to do and for who and what am I trying to say? And it's one reason I'm so proud of that, especially you just watched the one on Max because it's probably the one that I worked the hardest at and applied myself the most. But today, at 44, I realize I have done a little bit in acting and I've tried to do some at acting, and I've gotten enough flavor in acting that I think if I really applied myself, I think I could get really good. Good at acting.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Believe that I could. I don't know it, but the. The. The suspicion is there. And then stand up, I. I do already know in my soul that I'm very good at stand up. I know it. I just know it. And I think I've also only gotten so far in stand up because I like acting and I like stand up. And so I think I've given each half effort. Attention.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And so I think that half attention success on both sides shows me, man, if I really would just kind of Maybe commit to one. I could maybe really soar. And so today as I sit here talking to you, my brain is in stand up mode. However, I know that at the end of April, I will be going back to start shooting other stuff that I've been fortunate enough to be cast in.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And I'd like to think that maybe when I go back to shoot, I, while also doing stand up, I'll go, well, let's not just do enough. Let's try to be, you know, remarkable.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

Even if I'm only saying a couple things in this scene and I don't carry much weight, let's care more than we used to.

[Brian Green]

So that's my hope for you. My hope for you is you go back to your time with the guys, those who can, and you free yourself and you focus and you say, I'm going to be the scene stealer. I'm going to be the guy who shoots the ball. Because I think you're really talented. You're very good at stand up. You have a. You are a natural storyteller. I call you a Tindril comic. And this is a complete comic. I'm a compliment, and here's why. You're a storyteller. But there are tendrils. You go here, you go there, you bring it back. You go here, you go there, you bring it back.

[Rory Scoville]

Back.

[Brian Green]

It's my favorite kind of storyteller, is someone who knows how to, how to take a left turn and then get back on the road at some point. But in between, we're going to have a little laughs with this absurdity, with this craziness. I mean, I don't know if you intended this in your special, but there's a whole part where you're like, let me get back to what I'm doing. You pull out a piece of paper, you turn around and you do three and a half minutes with this piece of paper. Two and a half minutes with this piece of paper. And I just thought it was brilliant. Is that, was that improvised?

[Rory Scoville]

No.

[Brian Green]

No, it wasn't. Okay.

[Rory Scoville]

It was.

[Brian Green]

Yes. Thank you.

[Rory Scoville]

Yes. It wasn't intentional is what I mean. To say that the second show. So, you know.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

For your listeners who maybe don't know this, when you shoot a special, you shoot two or more shows for, for reasons of. One camera didn't work during one of them. You know, it's to cover stuff also, what if the audience sucks during one of them?

[Brian Green]

Someone sneezed when I was telling my joke. Yeah, yeah, the whole thing.

[Rory Scoville]

And so you shoot at least two. And the first one I did really well. I forgot one joke, and I got off stage between, you know, know, setting up the next show, and I said to the whole, you know, team that was in my green room, I said, I think we got it. Like, that felt good. I just got to remember to do this one joke on the next show. And everybody in the green room was like, we got it. That was a great show.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And so I'm standing behind that curtain, they're about to start the song, and I'm about to walk out to do the second show. And I just. As I try to do, I try to clear my head. And the one thought that popped my head was like, you got it. You already got it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Why have any fear? Why care about perfection? Let's go out and really just fuck around. And I went out and I fucked around so hard that I forgot where I was. And that's why I did naturally have to pull that paper out.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And I gotta say, when I turned around, away from the audience, I was furious at myself, because all I could think was, what am I doing? I'm shooting a thing. And here I am losing the momentum of the crowd that I'm gonna have to get back. And for whatever reason, my brain was like, the crowd doesn't know that this isn't in the show. They don't know that I don't do this every time.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

So let's pretend I do this every time. And then I stood up and I go, all right, Then my biggest. Oh, moment is I just. To your point, I gotta get us back to the main road.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

But let's not pretend as though I've never taken this left before.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

Let's take this left and every second act as though this was all part of the.

[Brian Green]

Part of the gig.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. I will say that final special is mostly the second show.

[Brian Green]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Rory Scoville]

Very, very little of the first show. If there's anything you see from the first show show, it's because maybe one or two jokes were better. But also, it's just for camera's sake.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Just the way you cut it.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Wow. It's. It's so good. I highly. You've seen. You watch it. It's religion, sex, and some other things.

[Rory Scoville]

Right.

[Brian Green]

Isn't that what.

[Rory Scoville]

It's.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Everything in between.

[Brian Green]

What is it? I'm sorry.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Religion, sex, and everything in between.

[Brian Green]

And everything in between.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

On math.

[Rory Scoville]

A few things.

[Brian Green]

A few things in between. It'll be in the show notes. It'll be in the show.

[Rory Scoville]

Notes, which those few things are everything.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It felt like everything.

[Brian Green]

When I say tendril comic. That's the Tinder comic. It should have started with that. A few things and religion and sex. Rory Scoville. I got a million other questions, so I hope you come back. I really am grateful for your time. Oh, and Rory is now going until April. How many, how many shows are you doing?

[Rory Scoville]

So I've got. I'm starting to put a lot of dates together, I gotta say. I put the special out that we were just talking about in late February a year ago of 2024. And so I'm trying to get better at getting a new hour faster. I'm very slow about it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And a lot of that is honestly, it's out of work ethic. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

I just, I'm like, ah, let's just go have fun on stage and let's.

[Brian Green]

Not worry about a product.

[Rory Scoville]

But I'm now realizing things are going so fast. You really gotta get to that product. Product a little faster.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

I don't think you have to get to it as fast as people do get to it. I think that's a little too quick for me. But I could, I could stand to speed it up a little bit. So right now, if you were to come see me on the road, you'll be watching someone who is in the early phases of this hour.

[Brian Green]

Okay, good hour.

[Rory Scoville]

I love it. Hopefully in the fall, I will go out on an official tour with this hour more hammered together as like a show go, which will probably admittedly have less improv. But if you're someone who likes me and you like seeing me do improv, you should come see me right after I put out a special for about eight months.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

Are you coming near Atlanta?

[Rory Scoville]

I will. I save Atlanta when it's like, for instance, when it's time to go home, come to Atlanta. I would wait for the fall because I'd be. I'd rather come to Atlanta and go here, guys. I'm bringing you like the show.

[Brian Green]

The good choice. Okay, well then when in fall, when you come to Atlanta, we will come see you. I will put links in the show notes, as we always do, to Rory's. All of his pertinent stuff. The special, how to get tickets. We really appreciate you being here today. You are a smart, kind, empathetic, self aware human being who also happens to be hilarious.

[Rory Scoville]

I appreciate that a lot and I appreciate you guys.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Coming from a mediocre comedy podcast host. Now you can go die in peace. Brian said it. You have. Yep.

[Rory Scoville]

You made it. Reached.

[Brian Green]

You made it the pinnacle of your career, my friend. We often say here you. When you come to the commercial break, you're either on your way up or on your way down. I'll let you figure out which one it is. Thank you, Rory. We really appreciate it.

[Rachel]

Let me do something Brian has never done.

[Brian Green]

Be brief.

[Rachel]

Follow us on Instagram at the commercial break. Text or call us 212-4333, tcb. That's 212-433-3822. Visit our website tcbpodcast.com for all the audio, video, and your free sticker. Then watch all the [e-mail] thecommercial break and finally share the show. It's the best gift you could give a few aging podcasters. See, Brian, that really wasn't that difficult, now, was it? You're welcome.

[Brian Green]

Ah, Rory, I really like that guy. Oh, my God, I really like that guy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Of all kinds of stuff. Laughing, laughs, philosophy.

[Brian Green]

Laughs, philosophy, life, catechism, diets, everything. Auto blows. We didn't get to the auto blow, but maybe next time when he comes around, we'll talk to Rory about auto blow. Yeah, that is my favorite type of conversation. I find that we have a lot of those around here, actually, is when what you may not. What you didn't see. Actually, what you won't see in that cut is that when we, you know, we stop and went during the commercial break, we talk to him and say, okay, goodbye, thank you very much, and all that other stuff. And he said, yeah, I really like the way you guys approach that because you just sit and have a conversation. It's relaxed. And I said, yeah, because you know that this is your life type of interview. So many people do that. And I find it. It's overdone. Like, there are some people who are really good at that. Howard Stern, really good at that. 60 minutes. Really good at that. Brian and Chrissy, we can't focus on anything for more than two minutes, so you might as well just have a conversation. Like you're talking to a friend.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Like you're talking to the chef at the counter with a martini.

[Brian Green]

There you go. That's the. That's when you get all the good, juicy. That's when you learn that the bread on your table is going to be the croutons and the salad tomorrow. And trust me, no one wants that shit. No one. Chrissy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

All right, But I enjoyed that.

[Brian Green]

I did, too.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And he comes back.

[Brian Green]

He will. He'll be back. I have A feeling. I have a feeling that's one of the few that say they want to come back and will actually come back. Or maybe I'm wrong. I've been wrong before, it could be wrong again. I don't know. All right, Rory Scoville dot com. That's where you get all the tickets to his tour. I'm sure that all of his special information is up there, but need not even go to his website. You just click on the links below in the show notes. All the information will be there. I'll put all the pertinent details, and we'll repeat that throughout the week so that if you, you know, if you didn't hop on board on Tuesday, you can go on Friday and check it out in the show notes. That's how we do it. In case you haven't picked up on that little pattern.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It's roaring with week.

[Brian Green]

It's Rory week here at the commercial break, and we sure are grateful for his time. Just a nice guy. Just a nice guy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I know. Living out in Denver, too. I love Denver. I love Colorado.

[Brian Green]

I love every state. I'm all about it. Every state. North and South Dakota, east and West Montana. They're all wonderful. I love them. Yes, they are. West Virginia, regular Virginia. I love them all. I've been to all of them. All 48 contiguous states. I have visited. Did you know that I have stepped foot in all four and I. All 48 contiguous states. And I think that is an accomplishment that every American should try. Now, I don't. I know that it takes a lot of time to do that, and not everybody is, you know, a college dropout with a bad cocaine problem. But if you. If you do get there in life, just keep driving. That's all I gotta say. Do a big circle.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It'll be okay with your favorite band.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Oh, we didn't even ask him about Mike Gordon.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Damn it.

[Brian Green]

We didn't even ask him how he got up with the guy from Fish. Yeah. Oh, that was, like, the most interesting question we had. Leave it to us. Who has adhd, him or us? I think we're both. I think between the two of us, we couldn't figure it out. But it was an interesting conversation. I hope you enjoyed it as much as we do. So go to the show notes, click on his links, go see him, watch his special, you know, tcbpodcast.com. that's where you get more information about Chrissy and I. All the show notes, all the audio, all the video right there at one location. You can also get your free TCB swag. We'll send you a sticker if you give us your physical address. Astron will send you one. Take about a week or two to get there. No must no fuss. Add the commercial break on Instagram, TCB podcast ON tick tock YouTube.com the commercial break and 212-4333 TCB questions, comments, concerns, content, ideas. Or leave us a voicemail and be the next voice of the commercial break. Okay, Chrissy, that's all I can do for now.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I think so.

[Brian Green]

I'll tell you that I love you.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I love you.

[Brian Green]

I'll say best to you and best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time we will say, we do say and we must say goodbye.