TCB Infomercial w. Paul Scheer

Summary

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The Commercial Break: TCB Infomercial w. Paul Scheer

Date: April 2, 2024
Hosts: Bryan Green & Kristen Joy Hoadley
Guest: Paul Scheer

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Overview

In this lively, unfiltered episode of The Commercial Break, hosts Bryan Green and Kristen Joy Hoadley welcome prolific actor, comedian, and podcaster Paul Scheer. The three dive into a whirlwind conversation about nostalgia for commercials, children’s TV, podcasting as a creative lifeline, absurd pop culture (including a fair Cheesecake Factory roast), podcast therapy, the evolution of adult humor in animation, Paul’s new book "Joyful Recollections of Trauma," and plenty of outlandish tangents in classic TCB style. The tone is self-deprecating and warmly irreverent, celebrating mediocrity, secondhand celebrity, and the joy of making stuff up with friends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Celebrity Guests and the “Just Fine” Vibe

• Bryan and Kristen reflect on how their show, once expecting only fledgling guests, now lands “heavy hitters” like Paul Scheer.
• Bryan: “What we got…is the exact opposite. We're getting some heavy hitters.” [02:00]
• Running theme: TCB as the “Cheesecake Factory of comedy podcasts”—embracing mediocrity, variety, and a sprawling, surprising guest list.

2. Cheesecake Factory Rant & Pop Culture Tangents

• Extended riff about Kanye West and Bianca Censori’s viral Cheesecake Factory visit (and outfits) segues into a meditation on the odd social status of Cheesecake Factory.
  • Bryan: “Cheesecake Factory, fine. It’s fine. It is a food hall. That's what it is.” [05:02]
• Nostalgic defense of chain restaurants as spaces of chaos, comfort, and unexceptional food.
• TCB’s self-mocking adoption of the Cheesecake Factory analogy is a through-line.

3. Commercials, Childhood, and Changing Media

• Paul expresses real nostalgia for commercials, now missing in the age of streaming.
  • “Commercials are the original TikTok.” – Paul [13:15]
  • His son, like Bryan’s, is fascinated with TV ads and demands “GEICO commercial” compilations.
• Fond reminiscence on 80s/90s commercials for kids' stuff—how they shaped childhood, culture, and even bad habits (candy cigarettes, Joe Camel tie-ins).

4. Parenting, Bed-making, and Yeti Cup Chaos

• Humorous debate about bed-making habits at home.
  • Paul: “No, I'm an active, not maker of the bed. My wife is a maker of the bed.” [17:03]
• The hassle of managing kids’ water bottles and losing Yetis leads to jokes about living amid constant low-level chaos.

5. Children’s Cartoons: Grown-up Fans & Adult Jokes

• Paul voices Chip Whistler in Disney’s “Big City Greens,” which gets high praise from Bryan’s child.
  • “My character’s a straight up bastard…They let me do some insane things.” – Paul [20:02]
• Discussion of "Bluey" as a beautifully-written, cross-generational cartoon that genuinely moves parents.
  • Bryan tears up recalling a poignant "Bluey" episode about saying goodbye. [21:02]
• The hosts and Paul appreciate modern kids’ shows for blending adult and child humor, thanks to a generation raised on old-school cartoons.

6. Theme Parks, Family Trips, and “Disney Adults”

• Paul admits: “I definitely am [a Disney adult]. And, you know, every now and then I meet a real Disney adult and I'm like, well, I guess I'm not…” [24:40]
• Fond memories of family vacations focused solely on Disney parks; the strange concept (as a kid) of vacationing somewhere without a theme park.
• Nostalgia for road trips in 80s conversion vans—pre-iPad, with antenna TVs you could barely watch—noting the upgraded, more comfortable road trips for today’s families.

7. Podcasting as a Creative Lifeline

• Paul discusses how starting podcasts (“How Did This Get Made?” & “Unspooled”) over a decade ago provided creative freedom and continuity as the entertainment industry changed.
  • “I’m so thankful…that you have this podcast because it allows you to make up your own rules, do what you want to do when you want to do it.” [29:27]
• Bryan and Kristen describe TCB as “podcast therapy,” a way to stay grounded during turbulent times.
• Jokes about families never listening (“We learned…families don’t give a sh*t”) and building a real audience from scratch.

8. Making Fun of Bad Movies & Good-Natured Critique

• Paul describes “How Did This Get Made?" as loving ribbing, never snark for snark’s sake.
  • “We try very hard to not just come off snarky or, like, mean…we could do this show about There Will Be Blood, but it won’t be funny.” [32:51]
• The show is modeled after late-night Denny’s post-movie hangouts—fun, freewheeling, with a focus on what’s weird, entertaining, or unintentionally meaningful in “bad” films.
  • “It’s a dinner table conversation—just this kind of free-flowing conversation.” [34:23]
• Memorable callback to his favorite movie to cover, Neil Breen’s “Fateful Findings.”

9. New Book: Joyful Recollections of Trauma

• Paul unveils his upcoming book, a memoir mixing his absurd, awkward, sometimes dark childhood stories with adult insights.
  • “It’s…looking back into my childhood, a little bit darker, and then trying to figure out how to make that darkness a little bit lighter.” [36:50]
• Notable blurbs by Jane Fonda, Amy Poehler, Phoebe Robinson, Patton Oswalt, and more.
• His audiobook includes special features, old clips, and personal touches—Paul wants to “give something extra” for fans willing to pre-order or buy.
  • “If people are spending money, I’m giving them something.” [39:55]

10. Making Art, Letting Go, and the Value of Collaboration

• Insightful exchange about the unpredictable evolution of both podcasts and books:
  • “You don’t know what it looks like until it all unfolds, and then you go, oh, now it’s that thing.” – Bryan [43:20]
• Paul’s advice to creators: Work with people you love, let the project become what it wants to be, and don’t cling too tightly to the original concept.
  • “Just do something that you love with people that you want to be doing it with. And that’s across the board.” – Paul [44:14]
  • Referencing Rick Rubin: “Once people interpret it their way, they’re going to do with it whatever. You can just feel like, I did it the way I wanted.” [45:14]

11. Acting, Family Expectations & The League

• Paul recounts how his family viewed mainstream benchmarks (like SNL or Kelly Ripa) as “success”—regardless of his huge offbeat career (“...biggest success will be when I get on the Kelly Ripa Show.” [47:43])
• Talks fantasy leagues:
  • “I am in a fantasy basketball and football league. Multiple fantasy football leagues. … We had the best time [on The League].” [48:20]

12. Naked Attraction, Sex Box, & Absurd TV

• Trip down the rabbit hole of bizarre dating reality TV, namely “Naked Attraction” and “Sex Box.”
  • “And you're seeing stuff in ways that are not sexy. It's horrifying.” – Paul [52:47]
  • “Sex Box…they have a box, people go in there, they have sex, and then they come out, and it's like a color commentary on what just happened inside the box.” – Paul [53:04]
• Laughs about parents unwittingly traumatizing their kids by taking them to see "Alien" in 1979.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• "Commercials are the original TikTok.”
  – Paul Scheer [13:15]

• "Cheesecake Factory, fine. It’s fine…It is a food hall. That's what it is."
  – Bryan Green [05:02]

• “My character's a straight up bastard…They let me do some insane things. I'm like, really? I can go attack their house with a machine gun. Okay, sure.”
  – Paul Scheer on "Big City Greens" [20:02]

• "I definitely am [a Disney adult]. And, you know, every now and then I meet a real Disney adult and I'm like, well, I guess I'm not…”
  – Paul Scheer [24:40]

• “No, I'm an active, not maker of the bed. My wife is a maker of the bed.”
  – Paul Scheer [17:03]

• “If people are spending money, I’m giving them something.”
  – Paul Scheer on his audiobook [39:55]

• "Just do something that you love with people that you want to be doing it with."
  – Paul Scheer’s advice for creators [44:14]

• “Families don’t give a sh*t.”
  – Bryan Green, about family support for podcasts [31:00]

• “We try very hard to not just come off snarky or, like, mean…we could do this show about There Will Be Blood, but it won’t be funny.”
  – Paul Scheer on the spirit of "How Did This Get Made" [32:51]

• "We are the Cheesecake Factory of podcasts."
  – Bryan Green [63:34]

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Important Timestamps

• [02:00]: Reflection on landing high-profile podcast guests.
• [05:02]: Cheesecake Factory riff.
• [13:15]: Paul: “Commercials are the original TikTok.”
• [17:03]: Bed-making debate—Paul’s family habits.
• [20:02]: Paul discusses "Big City Greens" and adult jokes in children's animation.
• [24:40]: Paul admits to being a “Disney adult.”
• [29:27]: Podcasting as lifeline, creative freedom, pandemic survival.
• [34:23]: How Did This Get Made’s style—modeled after post-movie Denny’s chats.
• [36:50]: Overview of Paul’s new book, Joyful Recollections of Trauma.
• [39:55]: Paul on enriching his audiobook and connecting with fans.
• [44:14]: Paul’s creative advice for podcasts and art.
• [52:47]: Naked Attraction and the horror of not-sexy naked reality TV.
• [53:04]: Recommendation of “Sex Box”—another wild reality format.
• [63:34]: TCB’s new tagline: “We are the Cheesecake Factory of podcasts.”

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Episode Vibe and Takeaways

• Loose, Self-deprecating, Inclusive: TCB’s signature casual chaos is on full display. Paul’s openness and humor blend perfectly with Bryan and Kristen’s offbeat energy.
• Nostalgia & Absurdity: A through-line of warm, sometimes dark nostalgia for the excesses and weirdness of growing up in the 80s/90s, and how that shapes today’s pop/comedy landscape.
• Art & Friendship: The joy, comfort, and accidental brilliance that come from just making stuff up with people you click with.
• Celebration of the “Just Fine”: Whether it’s the food, a podcast, or a kids’ cartoon, the true value is in community, not perfection.

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Listen Further If…

• You want behind-the-scenes stories about podcasting, acting, and the modern comedy scene.
• You love candid discussions about parenting, nostalgia, and the power of cartoons.
• You can hang with tangents, ribbing, self-mockery, and the search for joy (and cheesecake) in the ordinary.

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For info on Paul’s book "Joyful Recollections of Trauma," podcast links, and how to join the TCB community, check the show notes or visit tcbpodcast.com!

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Transcript

[Paul Scheer]

I once went to pornhub to watch trailers from San Diego Comic Con. Well, it kind of flies under the radar because people aren't searching like Avengers trailer. They're searching like avenging my stepmother by having sex with her trailer.

[Brian Green]

On this episode of the commercial break, I read, and you tell me if this is true, that you are a bit of a Disney adult, too. Do you. Do you like to go to Disney World?

[Paul Scheer]

You know, it's funny. I. I definitely am. And, you know, every time and then I meet a. A real Disney adult, and I'm like, well, I guess I'm not.

[Brian Green]

The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens. Welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my emotional support host, Kristen Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Kristen.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Best to you, Brian.

[Brian Green]

Best you out there in the podcast Universe. It's a TCB infomercial day with Mr. Non and Mr. Podcast America. Paul Scheer is here, folks.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Where's the clapping?

[Brian Green]

I don't know. I don't know. Don't ask me to. Don't ask me to get complicated. Are you asking me to put in a clapping sound?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I don't know. There we go.

[Brian Green]

Yes. Love me some Paul Sheer.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

God, I have been such a fan for a long time. You know, just amazing, these guests that we're getting to interview with it, I. I would never in a million years think they would want to talk to us.

[Brian Green]

No. I expected the interview part of the show would go like this, like. And we decided, okay, let's jump back in and see if we can do some interviews with people we might actually be interested in talking to.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

No offense to anybody. Like, Jeff was a great guest. Rachel was a great guest. Right. But no offense to anybody that was on the show previous to our moratorium on guesting. But as we decided to roll into guesting, I thought it would go a little bit like this. We would get mostly comics or musicians who were just on beginning their journey, just. Just brand new. Right. And what we got or what we're getting is the exact opposite. We're getting some heavy hitters. Paul Scheer, of course, of. How did this get made fame? He's got a podcast called Unspooled in the League. He was in the League.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

One of my favorite shows of all time.

[Brian Green]

He's in Big City Greens.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So many things.

[Brian Green]

He's got 400 credits to his name on IMDb. And that. That is not a person who is lazy, I will tell you that much right now. He's like Felicia Day. He's got so many things that he's done. And now he's got a new book which is. What is it? Joyful Recollections of Trauma.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And you could pre order that. We'll put the link in there. But before we get to Paul, I just wanted to share a little. I wanted to ask a question.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

I know you don't keep up with Kanye.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

No.

[Brian Green]

But he's all over the place. And it's hard. It's hard to ignore sometimes some of the shenanigans that are going on around him. And I do remember who. Oh, it was. It was Pete Davidson that was sharing when I went and saw him at that special.

[Christina]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Concert of that dive and Bumblefuck, Georgia.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Who did we have on as a side note to that? We had somebody on that we were interviewing and they were talking about the places that they had gone to to do shows.

[Brian Green]

Oh, it was Preacher. Preacher, which. Which hasn't aired yet, but Preacher Lawson was on and he was sharing that. Yeah, they're all okay. None of them are great. Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It made me want to bring up your. Like, I didn't even had to be like, who booked this?

[Brian Green]

But say that on stage. He literally said that on stage. He's like, this is the divest dive I've ever been to. And I don't want to slam the guy who owns the place. Guys or girls who own the place. But it was not a very nice place. But anyway, that's neither here.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Pete was talking about Kanye.

[Brian Green]

Pete was talking about Kanye. And he said, Kanye's just fucking with everybody at this point because he's bored. He's done it all, he's seen it all. Everybody is against him. And he's just like, you know, poking the bear, essentially is what he's doing to have some fun and have a giggle. But he is now married to this. To this woman. Yes, Bianca Sor. And she has been showing up around the world in some outfits that you can only describe as unfits because they are nothing. It is nothing she is wearing. Not a thing. See through this sheer that topless this panty. List that. Which is fine. Do your thing. I ain't mad at you. I'm not mad at a naked girl. I'm just not mad at a naked girl. Never going to be mad at a naked girl. But I read this article and it kind of got me all out of sorts.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

Kanye west pulls down wife Bianca Censori's low slung neon tights walking into Cheesecake Factory.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What?

[Brian Green]

Cheesecake Factory. Really? That's where Kanye is going is Cheesecake Factory. The guy has more money than God. First of all, how do you even go to a Cheesecake Factory when you're Bianca and Kanye?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Hell no.

[Brian Green]

Second of all, why would you want to go to a Cheesecake Factory if you're Kanye and Bianca? There are so many great restaurants. Cheesecake Factory, fine. It's fine. Fine. It is a food haul. That's what it is. They shove them in, they push them out. That's what they do. And they're always packed. Why? Not really? Sure. They got 750 items on the menu.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It's a huge. It's like a book for their menu.

[Brian Green]

It is a book.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I haven't been in years, but I haven't either.

[Brian Green]

Probably right before the pandemic, I think my took my mother in law was in town and we all went to the Cheesecake Factory because we had young children at the time.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And I thought, well, they do have some good cheesecake.

[Brian Green]

Everybody else is screaming, so might as well bring my kid there too. And they do have some good cheesecake. You're right about that. Hence the name Cheesecake Factory. But what they also have is spaghetti and meatballs, hamburgers, pizzas, tacos, meatloaf. Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You know, Asian dishes, Asian dishes, everything.

[Brian Green]

Pot stickers, full haggis. They have everything you could ever want in that place. And all of it is fine. It's just fine. You know what I'm saying? It is such a weird place to expect Bianca and Kanye to show up. But there's one thing I know about a Cheesecake Factory. It is not where you typically go to watch the big game on a Friday night. Right. It's not like an adult sports bar. It is a family oriented place for sure. Mostly families in there.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah. And he pulled down her pants.

[Brian Green]

He pulled down. Look at, look at this. Just look at this. I just want to show you this skimpy outfit that she was seen wearing.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yep.

[Brian Green]

Look, he pulled her pants down halfway down her butt. She's wearing a sheer top. And then she's wearing no sheer leggings. Bright green leggings with no underwear on under it. That's how you're showing up to Cheesecake Factory. That's not how you show up to Cheesecake Factory. That's how you show up to a red carpet or you show up to an adult club or you show up, you know, somewhere in Italy like they were for months and months or months or whatever. This is hard for me. To. To swallow. I'm sorry. Leave the Cheesecake Factory to us, Kanye. Go to the. You know, somewhere in the Poconos or something. I don't know, wherever rich people congregate. And I ain't mad at you about all the money. I just don't think you should be showing up to the Cheesecake Factory in such a state of undress. That's my personal opinion. I'm not mad at a naked girl, but there are some places where I go where I expect not to see them. Cheesecake Factory is definitely at the top.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Where was this Cheesecake Factory?

[Brian Green]

What's that?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Where was it?

[Brian Green]

Somewhere in la.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, okay.

[Brian Green]

But even the Cheesecake Factory in la. Yeah, it's still a Cheesecake Factory. It doesn't matter where you put the Cheesecake Factory. It's still a Cheesecake Factory. You know what I'm saying? This episode sponsor you and sponsored in part by Cheesecake Factory. We are fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. All 600 items will come out just fine. Okay, Today, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Paul Scheer. We present to you Paul Scheer. Yes, he's coming on tcb. Why? We do not know. Because he was just named by iheart@south by Southwest Podcast Awards. Just named the top podcaster in the TV film category. Two years ago, he was named the top podcaster in the comedy category altogether. And so we have lots to talk to him about as far as the podcast is concerned. But more importantly, more importantly, there are many places where you don't expect to see Kanye west and Bianca. That would be the Cheesecake Factory. And there are many other places you don't expect to see Paul Scheer.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

And that would be the commercial break. But unbelievably, he showed up. For what reason, I do not know. But I love it. I'm all about it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I love it, too. See how it goes.

[Brian Green]

I think I first saw Paul on Best Week Ever. Remember? Best week ever, VH1. So he did, like 100 or some so of those episodes.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That's right. He did do those.

[Brian Green]

He did them with. Who was the other guy? Not Nick Kroll, I can't remember. But there was, like, a mainstay. It was him and Paul Shear were like the mainstays of the show, commenting on pop culture and music and stuff like that. On VH1. It was on years ago, I think they stopped doing it in the, I don't know, early 2000s.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

They've replaced it now with cheaters.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, they replace it with reruns of Cheaters and the Little. The Little Women of Atlanta or whatever. I mean, come on, VH1, you used to be a great channel. And I'm not knocking the Little Women of Atlanta. I'm sure it's a fine show, but it belongs on tlc, Lifetime, Bravo, one of those places where those shows are often shown. It's like a big mix. VH1 used to have a good, solid core of television shows.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And. And then softer rock, if you would say the softer side of music is what they would play from MT. MTV was the cutting edge hardcore for the young. 18 to 25s or 13 to 25s. And then VH1, you matured into VH1. When you turned 30, you started watching more VH1 and you were like, I don't know about that Carson Daly anymore, but Best Week Ever is a great show. It is. And they used to have some reality shows like Rock of Love.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, remember Rock of Love, Daisy of Love?

[Brian Green]

We talked about Daisy of Love one time. One. One episode. But my point is, is that Paul has been around for a very long time. He's done a ton of things. He's now doing voicing cartoons. He's got new shows that are coming out. He was in the league. One of the. One of the better shows that's been on television during the. What do they. What are we calling it? Prestige TV era, I guess, is what we're calling it. Yeah. And. And he's now got a new book. That's what's most important to know. This is the promo part of the intro. Just to let you know that out there, I'm breaking down the fourth wall in the podcast. It's important for you to know that Paul's not coming on here for his good health. He's coming on here because he's got a book. I can't wait to take a listen to it because I'm gonna do audiobooks.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

So. And it's called Joyful Recollections of Trauma. You can pre order it now. Links in the show notes. Go to his website, Paul shearer.com. follow him on social media. All that good stuff. Okay, Chrissy, so I'm going to ask you, what do you think we take a break? What do you say we take a break?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What do you say?

[Brian Green]

What do you say?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I say yay.

[Brian Green]

You say yay.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I say yay. Not nay.

[Brian Green]

Not nay. No nays. All yays. Here at the commercial break, we have judge, jury, and executioner. It's all coming Together, we're going to take a break. We're going to find a way to technically pull in Paul Scheer here into.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

The studio via hologram.

[Brian Green]

Via hologram. That's the only way we can do it. It's like Star Trek. We're, we're beaming him up, beaming him down, because we, let's be honest, we have no fucking clue how any of this works. We just give him a link and we hope he shows up. Yeah, it's the cloud. It's all in the cloud. Cloud. What's that? So we'll take a break. We'll be back with Paul. Stay tuned.

[Christina]

Well, thank the baby Jesus. Brian took a breath. And now I will use this opportunity to let you know that we've got a brand new phone number. That's right. It's 212433. And you can text us anytime you want or you can call and leave us a voicemail and we might just use your message on the show once Brian gets through all the messages he missed last year. Of course. Anyway, you can also find and DM us on Instagram at the commercial break and on TikTok, CBpodcast, and of course, all of our audio and video is easily found on tcbpodcast.com now I'm going to thank G one more time that we have sponsors. So thank G. And here they are.

[Brian Green]

And he's here with us now. Paul, thank you very much for coming on the commercial break.

[Paul Scheer]

I am very excited to be on the commercial break. The commercial break, you know, while a great name, also one of my favorite things that I feel like I miss in this era of streaming. I miss my commercials. My kid, as a matter of fact, loves commercials.

[Brian Green]

So does mine.

[Paul Scheer]

Watching this.

[Brian Green]

How old is your kid?

[Paul Scheer]

My kid is seven.

[Brian Green]

Okay. So my kid is five. And he has fallen ever since he was like two years old. He started, like, looking at GEICO commercials, Progressive, limo, emu, all that stuff. And now sometimes when he wants to watch his iPad, he gets iPad time. He says, daddy, can you put on the GEICO commercial? What he means is he wants a compilation video of all the GEICO commercials.

[Paul Scheer]

And I, this is, you know, commercials are the original TikTok.

[Brian Green]

That's true.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

When you think about it, and they're into it. Yeah. No, my son, like, wanted to watch the super bowl for the commercials. And I know a lot of people do that. But it's also like that was, he was like, oh, commercials are on now. Everyone shut up.

[Brian Green]

Yes. And you know, the other, you know, the Other thing that I think about, because you and I are the same age. Chrissy's around the same age. We grew up in a time of such great commercials, like, great kid commercials. They didn't have a lot of backyards. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Ooh, the rocks and the streams. GI Joes and your he man figures. I mean, come on.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Now that was a dream.

[Brian Green]

Now they have all these laws, and you can't, you know, can't advertise. Can't advertise tobacco to kids, all these laws. You know, by.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, my favorite thing as a child was the candy gum cigarettes that they had a little bit of sugar dust.

[Brian Green]

They do. Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

They puff.

[Brian Green]

I know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I can't believe they were selling.

[Brian Green]

That's crazy that you just reminded me of that. They sold those.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. It was so crazy that that was a thing. So I did this documentary for Disney about kind of failed comic books that they put out. And I was having this conversation. They wouldn't allow me to put it into the documentary. But they also didn't say I couldn't say it here, which was at one point, Camel cigarettes approached Marvel, and they were like, we have an idea for a great comic book. Joe Camel, like James Bond and Joe Campbell. And they were like, okay, all right. And it apparently, like, went up the ladder a little bit, and somebody was like, no, no, no.

[Brian Green]

Do that.

[Paul Scheer]

And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, we can't do Joe Campbell. James Bond.

[Brian Green]

Did you ever smoke? Did you ever smoke cigarettes?

[Paul Scheer]

No, I'm not really a smoker. You know, it was so, like, kind of taboo in my house. Like, my grandfather was a smoker.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

And because he was, and no one wanted him to be, it was just viewed as smoking is bad. Like, it was always viewed as smoking as bad. So I never got the bug.

[Brian Green]

My entire family smoked in the house for a long time. Right. That was just the thing.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I grew up in Chicago. I went to Catholic school, just like you did. And everybody smoked. I mean, they. The priest would come over for dinner Sundays.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Green]

It was all over the place. But they had. The Camelites, had that for a time period. They had the Camel points. So you would rip off the side of the carton and you would collect these Camel points, and then they would give you cool things. And there was a period of time, I think in the early 90s, when Joe Camel was a thing. He had sunglasses. He was wearing leather jackets. You could get that leather jacket. You could get those sunglasses. I mean, this is what the kids are missing out on. Today, I mean, one of my terminal disease.

[Paul Scheer]

One of my good friends was a buyer for marble. And Marlboro had those, like, Marlboro points. Just like, camel points. And so, you know, she would go and find, like, really nice things like, oh, you want the best kayak? Well, Marlboro will have the best kayak if you give us, you know, 45,000 Marlboro points. And I remember one of the first gigs I ever got was a job where it was a. It was a audio adventure paid for by Marlboro that was like. It was like a head that if you talked into the left ear, you would hear it in the left ear, and you talked to the right ear. Like, it was like a sensory journey through camping with your friends.

[Brian Green]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

Sponsored by the good. The good folks at Marlboro.

[Brian Green]

And along this beautiful stream, three children smoking marble, unfiltered. I have a question for you. This is a very important question. Chrissy and I have been mulling it over for the last couple of episodes. Do you or do you not make your bed? Are you a maker of the bed or are you not a maker of the bed?

[Paul Scheer]

No, I'm an active, not maker of the bed. My wife is a maker of the bed. And, you know, look, there are many things that I take pride in as far as household things. You know, I clean a dish, I use a dishwasher, I wipe it on a counter. You know, I do all. I do a lot of housework. I like a house.

[Brian Green]

Good for you, but good husband.

[Paul Scheer]

A bed, a bed maker is not for me. I'm like, I get in and get out. What do I need to make this bed for?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

But apparently that's the health. That's the thing to do. Because I know the sunlight kills the.

[Brian Green]

Dust, the dust mites. So. But you're right. Your wife makes the bed, so the bed is made. It's just not you that makes it. Or does she make it on occasion. Okay, so the bed.

[Paul Scheer]

No, she makes it. Yeah, she likes it. She likes it. Like, it. Like when I was first, like when I was younger and I lived in studio apartments, or I did, you know, I had my room where my bed was in it. I would make my bed because it's sort of like, well, that's my world.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

A lot of the times. Yeah. Now I leave my bedroom and I don't really go back to my bedroom, you know, like, it's like, that's it. I'm gone. Plus, I have two kids making a bed. It's like I'm making Lunches and packing waters and backpacks. I had to go back to school today because my kid forgot his backpack.

[Brian Green]

The old forgetting the water bott. My kid's in preschool and she forgot her water bottle one time and I literally had to take a 38 minute journey to go bring her water bottle to find out. They have water bottles at school. She could have. She just needed the pink one that she had. She was throwing a. Holy shit.

[Paul Scheer]

My school is a yeti bottle depository. Literally, they have a lost and found. And honestly, I'm going to go in there and I'm going to take some of those lost and found bottles. Every now and then I'm like, hey, we can't afford all these yetis. Like, I'll grab a yeti. My kid will eventually lose it again. But you know, like, it's fine. It's like, you know, give and go.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Exactly.

[Brian Green]

At the end of the year, they give the recycle all of the lost and found stuff. They'll throw it out in front, you know, after the big, whatever they call it, last day parade or whatever. And last day parade, kids are gone and they put the big lost and found bucket out there. And you can either find it or you can take it. That's just the rule if, when it's not sitting here. So take it. And last year there were lots of really nice children's cups in there. And I thought to myself, I should take this cup. But then I also thought to myself, I'm already consistently. Everyone is already consistently ill at this house. Do I really need another germ running around?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, look, you can always wash them. Like that's what I do. I, I, I, you know, I, I, I'm washing. You know.

[Brian Green]

You don't make your bed, but you wash the cup.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, you got to wash the cups. That's what I'm saying. I'm, I'm a half and half person.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, you, you play a little bit of a role in my kid's life too. Because you are, you are on Big City Greens, which my Chip. Yes, you are. And my son is going through quite the Big City Greens phase. He likes Chip a lot. I was like, oh, I'm gonna talk to Chip today.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, well, Chip Whistler has been really interesting because, you know, I love those guys who do Big City Greens.

[Brian Green]

They're so funny, actually.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, the whole crew. It's like a very interesting kids cartoon because oddly as a not adult, but it, like, it is, you know, it's like the best kids cart. Like the Best animated shows, I should say. It is elevated and it works on both levels. And my character especially is like a straight up villain. Like most of these shows, you have to have something redeeming, like, oh, he has a love of music. You know, he's misunderstood. My character's a straight up bastard. And they make videos about, like. I can't take credit for any of it because it truly is that amazing team behind Big City Greens. They really are such a collaborative bunch. But yeah, they let me do some insane things. I'm like, really? I can go attack their house with a machine gun. Okay, sure.

[Brian Green]

I love that Big City GRE Greens. And you know Bluey. I know you've seen Bluey, right?

[Paul Scheer]

I love Blue. Bluey is to me, that Rob Delaney, Sharon Horgan show just for kids. Yeah, like, absolutely. I forget what that was called. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But, you know, the thing about Bluey is, and this is the honest to God truth, I go to a therapy session one time. I got this Bluey book. The Bluey book was about the episode where he camps, so. Or she camps. Bluey finds a friend that's French while she's camping with her family. The they don't speak each other's language, but they. They develop a friendship over the course of three days. On the fourth day, Bluey's friend leaves, but doesn't have a chance to say goodbye. So Bluey's upset. His mom explains he's left. But during the time together, they planted a tree. And then they shows the tree growing and the mom says something along the lines of, sometimes people come in and out of your life, but like, the tree you planted, it sprouts beautifully, you know, and it made me fucking weep like a child. And now I just read that Bluey has like 20 billion hours streamed or something like that.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Big City Greens. And Bluey is like a new take on cartoons where I think of the. The artists and the writers. They understand that the parents also have to watch these two. So let's make it interesting. Like your character talks about whatever is the wholeness. Grocery store is coming next door. The kids don't know what that means, but I know who they're slaying.

[Paul Scheer]

Right, exactly. You know that we're taking down Whole Foods, like. Yeah, no, I think it's really interesting, this kind of middle ground. Because I feel like for a long time children's programming was made by adults for children. And now these children have grown up and they're making shows for themselves like they grew up. It's a different mentality I don't know. Like, I could probably explain it better than that, but it's just like, I do think that, like, you have people that I don't.

[Brian Green]

I get what you're saying.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. It's like, there's a way, like, they. They understand. Like, I remember when I did Yo Gabba Gabba, they said to me, I watched so much Sesame Street, I wanted to, like, stab my eyes up because it's great for my kids, but I'm bored to tears. I wanna do something fun. Let's have cool people on the show. And that's why they had the dance off and they have Jack Black singing songs. And I did knock knock jokes with Jack McBrayer. We just had this fun vibe. And it's still geared towards kids, but it also is fun for adults. And I love. I love that. I love being able to enjoy stuff with my kids.

[Brian Green]

Yes, it's.

[Paul Scheer]

It's the best.

[Brian Green]

I think there's something. I think that's a very interesting take, and now that you're saying it, it makes a lot of sense, is that we grew up in a time of great cartoons, but they were certainly mostly geared toward children. And honestly, how you watch the Flintstones, that was on primetime or something like that, but generally it was geared toward children. And now those children have grown up and they have decided it can be for children, but it can also hit the right notes for adults, too, because we're the ones that really have to suffer through it. Right. It's on 24 7.

[Paul Scheer]

And by the way, if the adults like it, the kids are gonna watch more of it.

[Brian Green]

Absolutely.

[Paul Scheer]

Because it's like, to me, I am so thankful that I have grown up in a time of, you know, Phil Lord and, you know, and Chris Miller with the, like, with the Lego movies and Spider verse and all this sort of stuff, because I am just as excited to see that. I want to go see those. Like, I've listened to the Lego Movie in my car so many times, and I have to tell you, it never stops being funny. It's interesting. It's great. There's really funny performances. I mean, they're great live action directors, but they're like, you know, it's like animation, I think, used to live in this area of being for kids. That's why I was even upset at the Academy Awards. They made some joke like, hey, don't let your kids vote on these. I'm like, these movies. Are some of them better than the movies that are nominated for best portion? These are great films.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Absolutely. And I read. And you tell me if this is true that you are a bit of a Disney adult, too. Do you like to go to Disney World?

[Paul Scheer]

You know, it's funny. I definitely am. And, you know, every now and then I meet a real Disney adult and I'm like, well, I guess I'm not, You know, like, I am. I am very much. I love Disney. I got my yearly passport. I visit. I'll go, you know, on a moment's notice. Although not lately. But I love it. It's great. And, you know, it's funny because, you know, for me, it was such an escape. Like, when I was a kid, we would go to Orlando. I grew up in the east coast on New York, and it was the only place that we knew to go to vacation. Like, I didn't know until, like, college that you could go anywhere without a theme park.

[Brian Green]

I was like, wait, there's a.

[Paul Scheer]

Why? Where would you go? Why? Why would you do that?

[Brian Green]

Yeah, why would you do that? I'm with you 100%. I have a feeling that some. We have some similarities in the way that we grew up in that sense, too. Is that my. You know, I came from a family. There were four boys. My mom was sick on an office as when we were children, and Disney World was the place where we vacationed. I can think of two other places my entire childhood that we went that was not Disney World.

[Paul Scheer]

And my dad, because I want to see if it's the same as mine. Busch Gardens, Virginia. Did you ever go there?

[Brian Green]

We did. That was one of them. And the second one was a cross country trip in a conversion van. 27 days. I was 14 years old.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Like vacation.

[Brian Green]

Like vacation. Exactly, Vacation.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[Brian Green]

Wow. And I can tell you what, at the time, it was the most. It was torture being in that van with my entire fucking family riding, you know, in the middle of South Dakota in the middle of the night and all this other stuff. I look back on it now, and I desperately want to do this with my children. Desperately want to do this.

[Paul Scheer]

No, you know, it's. It's so fun. It's like, you know, we did a thing during COVID where we rented a sprinter van, right? A sprinter van is, like, a little bit bigger than a, you know, or not taller. Right. Than a regular, like, minivan. And we had the best time. We drove all the way up to Portland, Oregon, and we're here in Los Angeles, California, and it was a great trip. And we were. Cause we were just trying to find something to do, you know, we were Kind of locked up and cooped up, and it was like, let's just go. Let's just drive. And, you know, now with iPads and things like that, like, it's good. And, you know, you could lay down. That's the other thing that was great about that. Like, one of us could lay down. Like, we left, I think, at like. Like, 4 or 5 in the morning. And I slept until, like, 9, 30, 10.

[Brian Green]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

And then I started driving at that point, and then my wife kind of was able to relax. Like, it's like, that's, you know, that's what you really be. If you can do that, it actually makes the trip not that bad. But shoving everybody into, like, a small little car, that's. That is where it gets.

[Brian Green]

Well, this was. This was a conversion van, which they had in the 80s. Yeah. I don't think they have them very much anymore. But it's like, you get in, you can almost stand up. They have four captain's chairs, and then they have a bench in the back.

[Paul Scheer]

I know, exactly. A conversion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Green]

And they had a tv, but it was black and white or sometimes color. But you can only tune into the local stations. So when you're driving, it's like 15 minutes of TV, and then you'd be like, I change it to the next station, son.

[Paul Scheer]

It's so funny because, you know, for the longest time, you know, trailers on movie sets or TV sets would have, like, a antenna tv. And it was like. It was such, like, a you. Because it's like, yeah, yeah, Here you go. That's a. Here's a TV for you. God bless you. You're not gonna watch a goddamn thing on this, you know.

[Brian Green]

Oh, man. So I do have to say this. We were talking about this very briefly before we started the interview. Is that Paul is Mr. Podcast America right now. I don't know if anybody knows. He's winning many accolades. He's won many accolades for his wonderful show Southwest.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Southwest, yeah.

[Brian Green]

South. You were at the iHeartrade.

[Paul Scheer]

We were at the iHeart Podcast Awards. Yes. And we won Best TV and Film Podcast. And technically, I guess I have two TV and film podcasts. Or just. They're both film podcasts. Yeah. One is about bad movies. How did this get made? One is about good movies. Movies.

[Brian Green]

It's called Unspooled.

[Paul Scheer]

And they're super. You know, they are. They're fun. And, you know, we started these podcasts 13, 14 years ago, you know, before people even knew what a podcast was. You know, so that was something that was really, to me, you know, it's funny, I think that, you know, as somebody who's like an actor, writer, director, whatever, you know, you do all this sort of stuff, but I'm so thankful, and I'm sure you are as well, that you have this podcast because it allows you to make up your own rules, do what you want to do when you want to do it. And, you know, through the pandemic, through the writers strike, all these different things, I'm still able to make stuff, you know, and so it becomes this idea where it really, you know, for me, I grew up or started my whole career, like, writing my own shows, directing shows, producing shows, right. So it's announced. It's an outgrowth of that. So I really. I do love it. You know, I just love this idea that we were able to control a little bit of our destiny.

[Brian Green]

I think we love it too. And it's the only thing that we know. We don't have these. I mean, your IMDb page is, quite frankly, super fucking impressive. Super impressive.

[Paul Scheer]

You're not gonna say it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And I think there was like, what, over 400 credits or something like that I saw, I read somewhere. But one of the things that Chrissy and I started this right before the pandemic, like a week before the pandemic, we started our first episode, and it became like a default place to be normal, to have an hour or two or three when we were recording, where we could just. Since we were best friends already, where we could just not have to worry about or not be so paranoid about everything around us. We can share in this. And we were just talking about it. It's become like a. Almost a therapy therapy in a way, for us. I think it's gotten us through. The podcast industry can be easy, it can be tough. There's a lot of ups and downs to it, but we. When we turn on these microphones, everything else melts away. And the creating of the show really is something super cathartic, I feel like, for me, and I'm sure you feel the same way. And so let me tell you the funny little story about your. Your podcast. So when we first started our podcast, this is like maybe like, episode for us, number seven, eight or nine or something like that. I get on Reddit and I'm in a podcast group, and I'm like, you know, sticking my link in the podcast group. Go check out my comedy podcast. Go check out my comedy podcast. And zero listeners. So one.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, there was family.

[Brian Green]

What's that? Well, there was some Family, they gotta start.

[Paul Scheer]

They got it started.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

They dropped off quickly.

[Brian Green]

Listen to the first 20 minutes. And then they were going.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Listened.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. One of the things we learned, Paul, about podcasts and families. They don't give a shit. They don't give a shit.

[Paul Scheer]

No, I mean, look, I'm gonna say that, too. It's like, I've met so many friends who, when they have kids, like, we're gonna move back home to have our family help out. Like, they're not gonna help out. It's fine with the babysitter. They're gonna come do what they all want. Yeah, you gotta. Gotta learn that early.

[Brian Green]

It's so true. So I get on this Reddit group, and someone is talking about your podcast, right? How did this get made? And so they were talking about, hey, how did this get made? Should breakdown down this podcast. I still remember the name of the podcast. Won't shout it out here, but it was a terrible podcast. It was, like, done in Kentucky on someone's iPhone, and all they could say was the word. It was like 30 and A. And they were talking about traffic patterns and how this guy pulled out in front of me and almost made me get in an accident. This and that. And so I get on the show the next day when I'm recording with Chrissy with this real fear, like a sincere fear, that you were gonna. I didn't know you were on the show yet, by the way. I just knew the name of the show that you were gonna get. You were gonna find our podcast.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

I was like, chrissy, we gotta avoid being on this podcast whatsoever.

[Paul Scheer]

That's hilarious. Well, you know, it's so funny. There is a podcast out there that makes fun of podcasts. You know, look, I guess, like, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I mean, we are making fun of movies, you know, and it's as people who are actors and writers and directors and stuff, like, we look, we understand that everybody sets out to make a movie with the best intention. And I've worked on many a movie that we thought was gonna be great. And then you watch it, and I go, yeah, right. You know, and that's it.

[Brian Green]

That's a thing. We did a thing.

[Paul Scheer]

We did it. We were there. You know, I think it's sort of like, we try very hard to not just come off snarky. Snarky or, like, mean.

[Brian Green]

Look, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

The way that we wanted to do this show and the way that we came up with this idea was very much based on in how friends get together after. Like, for me, when I was a kid growing up, we would go see a movie and then there was a Denny's, like right next to the movie theater. And then this is how we extend our night. Yeah, movie. Go to Denny's, eat our food and talk about the movie, good or bad. Right? And that was the kind of thing that we really wanted to embrace. We could do this show about There will Be Blood, you know, but it's like, it won't be funny, you know, and we are fans, you know, so that's how we kind of approach it, you know, very much like, like, let's. We are. We love this. Like, we, we're not, we're not like just trying to rip apart the dumbest things. But. But I think the thing that has kind of happened over these 14 years is we really have gotten into character motivations. Like, we're like, all right, so she's a gambler, but she also really wants to make pancakes. Okay, all right, now let's go through that. You know, it's like we really kind of like, so it's fun for us and we just, you know, it never runs out of stuff to talk about. And I, I think, you know, the show devolves into different things. It's reason why, actually I wrote this book because I would talk about my own stories and like, you start to, you know, it is a dinner table conversation. You know, it's not like Mystery Science Theater 3000 where we're like going scene by scene, moment by moment. It is just like this kind of free flowing conversation. It's like, oh, my gosh. You know, that actually reminds me of the time that I, you know, I stole money from school. Oh, wait, what happened there? You know, it just becomes this whole big thing.

[Brian Green]

I love the podcast and Chrissy and I were listening to it earlier. We're listening to your 50 shades of gray, right?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yes, yes. We're in the middle of our trilogy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And I was listening to the Twilight one.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Green]

So it's kind of a running joke. My wife has pulled me into every 50 shades of gray movie. I tend to be one of the only. I'm sure I'm the only straight male there, certainly. But I tend to be one of the only guys that shows up to the theater. And the ladies are packing the place out. They're going nuts over everything. And I just can't believe you've seen the movies.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So get into them.

[Brian Green]

The one I say episode, because that was, that's what it felt like A bad episode of television when Christian Grey crashes his helicopter and then just shows up the next scene with a small scar on his head and he's like, I survived it.

[Paul Scheer]

And more importantly, like, what are you guys all freaked out about? Yeah, you crashed a helicopter.

[Brian Green]

Helicopter. What's going on? But I do sense that your show comes from a place of, of love for the art and not mean spiritedness around the actual people who are trying to make this thing.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, look, I mean, very much, you know, look, we've had people on our show, we've had Charlize Theron on our show, Seth Rogen on our show, Amy Schumer, you know, we've had all these people who are very much. Adam Scott, all these people who are actively. We all work in this business. Right? We all. And you know, and it's like, and there are, you know, it's, it's not. Yeah, it's just to me, it's fun. It's like, look, and I've talked to people who have been in those movies and they're like, oh my God, than.

[Brian Green]

Thank God you didn't have to say.

[Paul Scheer]

It's like, you know, look, I mean, you know, like we're doing nothing worse than what Dakota Johnson is doing with Madame Web.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right?

[Paul Scheer]

You know, I mean, my God.

[Brian Green]

I have one idea for you. I'll send it to you if you want me to. Fateful findings. Have you done this yet? Fateful Findings. I believe we did do Faithful Findings. I'm going to look it up and listen to it.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a Stephen King. Right? Or maybe I'm wrong.

[Brian Green]

I don't think it's a Stephen King. I don't know who the original source came from.

[Paul Scheer]

We did this. No, this is this guy. Neil Breen.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes, Neil Breen. We did Faithful Findings live in Seattle. It was an amazing show. I am forever a fan of Neil Breen. As a fan of Tommy Wiseau, I feel like Neil Breen is the second closest.

[Brian Green]

Right there he is right there with us. Tell me about your book because it's coming out and I think it's important that our listeners hear this.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Yo, I appreciate it. I have a book called Joyful Recollections of Trauma.

[Brian Green]

Love the name.

[Paul Scheer]

And that book is, you know, the title is what it sounds like. It is kind of, you know, this, the stories that I told on how did this get made? These kind of crazy moments about, you know, whether it was like going in the city to like see a naked woman, which is Something that I tried to do when I was, you know, in high school, you know, or burn down a. Burn down a resort by accident because I was pretend smoking a cigarette. I told you I don't smoke, but I was pretend smoking, you know, how I met my wife or how I became a parent. Like, it's sort of this. It's these funny stories. And I wanted to do a book that while it would be funny, it wasn't just anecdotes. And it kind of was this idea of, like, looking back into my childhood, which is a little bit darker, and then trying to figure out how to make that darkness a little bit lighter. So I think the book, you know, rides this line between heavy and dark. And, you know, from going from being a kid who is parented in kind of a weird situation to then becoming a parent who has kids and, like, all right, how do I do this differently? So there is, like, I think, a little bit more of a spine than maybe people will be expecting. But it's been great so far. And, you know, and also very humbling because you have to ask people for blurbs. I get my blurbs. You have to ask people.

[Brian Green]

Who did you ask for blurbs?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, on the back of my book, the people who've blurbed it, and they actually all read it, which is amazing. You know, normally when people ask me to blurb, I'm like, yeah, whatever, great guy. But Jane Fonda gave me a blur.

[Brian Green]

No shit.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. And Amy Poehler, also Phoebe Robinson, Casey Wilson, Ed Brubaker. I'm a huge fan of who, you know, just. And Patton Oswalt. So I got a handful of people that I just really admire and respect and who have written some books in this space. It's been a real fun journey. And now the heat is on because apparently I thought, like, oh, well, the book will come out and then it will sell it. And they're like, no, no, no, you have to sell it now. So if you have any interest in buying the book, buy it now. Because you can buy it wherever you get your books. But it is crazy, the amount of energy. Yeah, you gotta go and you gotta sell this book before it comes out.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And listen, we'll put all the pertinent links in the show notes and we'll talk about it after we.

[Paul Scheer]

No, I appreciate it. Wherever books are sold, it's the easiest thing. Or just go to my website.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I can't wait to read it.

[Brian Green]

I can't wait to read it. And that's one of the. I think the. I Think one of the things about doing these interviews is it's actually got me reading again, like, full books all the way through, front to cover. I do a lot of, like, audio listening. That's my preferred. Me too.

[Paul Scheer]

And it counts as reading. I mean, look, I just recorded my audiobook and I tried to do something different for that too, because I wanted to as a fan. Like, you know, right now I am listening to Barbra Streisand's audiobook.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, yeah, me too.

[Paul Scheer]

48 hours.

[Brian Green]

48 hours.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So long.

[Brian Green]

48 hours.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm in hour 32 and she's in 1980. 82.

[Brian Green]

I think Deepak Chopra has less audiobooks than Barbra Streisand.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, I just wanted to do something fun. So I'm adding some special stuff in there where there's, like, clips of things. I've pulled, like, some old audio from my. From, like, shows and stuff like that. So I'm really having fun, like, putting that stuff together. And yeah, it's been a blast. You know, like, I'm trying to. My whole thing is this. Like, you know, I love. I love doing my show. I love going on other people's shows. But I also understand, like, a lot of this stuff is free. And we're in a time where money is tight. So I wanted to make sure that if people are spending money, I'm giving them something. Like, if you pre order my book, I've been signing, I'm only doing 3,000, but I'm signing, I'm writing 3,000 postcards. And by the way, 3,000 sounds small until you get into like 1,700. Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

I'm just. We give away these stickers, and then people will ask us to sign something or send something. So we have these postcards. We do the same thing.

[Paul Scheer]

Right?

[Brian Green]

You know, thanks very much. We'll write a personal little message. And then we signed up. I think one day we had to do like 26 of them. And I was like, God damn, are we ever going to get done with them?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So I can't imagine 3,000.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I am. I am in this box of 3,000. And I know that once that runs out, I'll be thrilled. But then I'll feel bad because I'm like, oh, I can't get more postcards, people. But, you know, it's like there was. There was some things I didn't think about. Postage was one of them.

[Christina]

Right.

[Brian Green]

How long did it take you to write the book? How long did it take? It actually penned the book, you know, I.

[Paul Scheer]

A lot of my friends go about writing a book by selling it. Like, I want to write a book. And the idea of wanting to write a book and then actually writing a book are very different. And I didn't want to be one of those people who felt like my appetite was bigger than my stomach. So I had that thought, let me write a book. And then I actually sat down and started writing and I wrote about 100 pages or so and. And then I used that to sell the book. I was like, this is what the book is.

[Brian Green]

That's a smart idea.

[Paul Scheer]

Whether or not that benefited me or hurt me, I don't know. But it was like. Cause it was clear to me. I was like, I understand what I want to be saying here. And that was really, really fun. So I spent a couple months on that. I would say, all in all, probably like a two year process.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I think we had an agent one time tell us. They're like, hey, why don't you think about writing a book? And I'm like, what the fuck would I say? Who would have any. There's 7,000 hours of the commercial break, if you really wanna know. You can just go dig around the commercial break. And every story is in there.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, well, yeah. And you know, it's like that was the thing that was kind of interesting for me. Cause it's like you have to like. I wanted to figure out how to do it in a way that wasn't. And this is not saying what you're saying is this. But like, I didn't wanna make it lazy. I didn't wanna just be like, oh, I told these stories or I'll do this stuff. I was like, how can I put a spin on it? It really is not the book I intended to write. Which is kind of fun because it did challenge me. It's like, oh, this is what the book is. It's so. It's not to make it sound too highfalutin, but it's like chipping away at marble. You're like, oh, that's what I'm making, right? And it's like you start to see it as you kind of go through it a little bit. But I had to start by putting the pen or the fingertips to keyboard, you know. Cause it was really like you wanted, like. It's the way with anything I've ever written or created again, whether it's a TV show or anything like that, the original idea. Sometimes when you look back, you're like, oh, that's how it came. Like, you know it's like, you know, it's like you have to allow that process, too, to kind of morph and evolve.

[Brian Green]

I think we feel that way sometimes about the show, too, is that we will have an idea about where we're going. And that's not most episodes. That's just some episodes.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It goes in a completely different direction.

[Brian Green]

Goes in a completely different direction. But that's what. There's where the meat and potatoes is. That's where the gold is. And you don't know until you actually start creating it. Right. And I think that's what's so interesting about all art, is that oftentimes you have an idea is sparked, and you're like, oh, this thing. But as it unfolds, like the lotus flower. As someone. I love this as the lotus flower. You don't know what it looks like until it all unfolds, and then you go, oh, now it's that thing. And that's great. And let's put that out in the world. And, you know, you. You wrote a book because you are not a lazy human being. Anybody with 400 IMDb credits is not lazy in any way, shape, or form. However, me, I'm. I just want to stay in the middle of the pack. I don't want to do anything, you.

[Paul Scheer]

Know, But I do think what you're saying is really interesting because I talk to a lot of people who. Who are like, you know, they'll say, oh, Paul, like, I want to make a podcast. How do I make a podcast? Or, you know, or what? What's the secret? You know, and it's like. Or the same thing as, like, oh, I want to be on TV show. How do I do it? And the truth is, is, like, there's two things that I don't. The only piece of advice I always give, especially with podcasts, is like, just do something that you love with people that you want to be doing it with. And that's across the board. Like, if it's a podcast, like, in success with podcasting, you make more podcasts, right? Like. Like the most successful podcast they're getting, maybe a lot of money, but what are they doing? Just making more.

[Brian Green]

That's it.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, you know, it's like, you know, so you have to enjoy it and, like, your relationship with each other. It's like, you have to, like, you want to be there. And I think there's a thing, too, where it's like, I've worked with so many people who get very strongly connected to what the original intent is, and, you know, And I think that, like, you know, like, I was reading this thing that Rick Rubin's. Is it Rick Rubin? Yeah, Rick Rubin.

[Brian Green]

He's brilliant.

[Paul Scheer]

Great producer. And they have wrote this book, and it was like, you know, once it starts, like, the idea is the first part, but it grows. And it grows so much that even once you give it over to the world, it's no longer yours. Right? And I was thinking about that idea, too. It's like. It's what the people view it as. And for better or for worse, right? People can think you're a genius, People think you're an idiot. But, like, it's. But it is like you can't control it. Like, once people interpret it their way, way, they're going to do with it whatever you can do. So you can just feel like, I did it the way I wanted. You can't force a message in. You can't. Like. But if you're malleable and you go with the flow, and, like, in the middle of an episode or an interview or a thing, you're like, oh, wait, let me go this way. I mean, it's improv. It is.

[Brian Green]

That's what it is. Yeah, it is improv. And it. And you're so right about this. It's like, we make it. It's here, it's in this moment. To us, it's one thing. We give it over to the world. It's something completely different to them. You know, we have people that write right in, and they're like. They get attached to these episodes and these things that we do. And it's so weird to me, right? It's like otherworldly that someone's attached to this silly little BS that we did. But it's their interpretation now. It's their art to love, to cherish, to. To have their perception. And that is good or bad because there's lots of people who say, great, Brian. And there's plenty of people, like our families, who say, what the Are you doing with your life?

[Paul Scheer]

No, it's. But, you know, it's like, it's also so hard. Like, when I started, I wanted to always be an actor, right? Or. Or at a certain point, I was like, I want to be an actor. And I'd say that a lot as a kid, and no one would support that. Ultimately, they're like, oh, well, sure, but, you know, you could be a lawyer. You make a little bit more money, whatever it was, you know. And I was so excited when I got my first gig as. As, like, an actor. I Got in this off Broadway improv group called Chicago City Limits. And I was like, guys, I'm acting in an off Broadway show. You know, it's like, it's an improv thing. And people would be like, what's improv? Right? And then you're like, oh, right, it does. Like, even though I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm getting paid, I'm working, I'm going around, people just wouldn't. It was hard, right? And I even remember, like, my mom said to me, I had auditioned for Saturday Night Live, and I had had my own TV show, right. And it was going really well. Human Giant. We had done this sketch show. Oh, thanks. And we. And my mom was like, but I bet you still wish you could be on Saturday Night Live. And I was like, no, I'm more than thrilled because I get to make my own thing. But that's the thing. It's hard because what people's view of successes or what they know, it's only limited by what they know. And it's like, for me, I know in my family, my biggest success will be when I get on the Kelly Ripa Show. Like, until then, it's gonna be a little bit trickier.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. My mom's still wondering when we're gonna be interviewed by Oprah. And I said, mom, I think that we're 10 years too late on that one. Unless we're on Ozempic, we're not gonna be interviewed o Oprah. But speaking of your acting, I think Chrissy is a huge fan of the.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, absolutely. And my husband was so excited when I told him that you were. We were interviewing you, and he wants to know, are you really in a fantasy league?

[Paul Scheer]

Do you do that? I am. I am in a fantasy league. I'm in less fantasy leagues than I was once, but, yeah, no, I am in. I'm in a fantasy basketball and football league. Multiple fantasy football leagues. It's. It is. You know, look, it's the best. It's a great way to kind of, you know, my show, the league that I was on for seven years, we had the best time doing that show, and it really got me into that world, and we love that. I actually saw Katie Aselton last night. I hadn't seen her in a while, and I saw Mark in South by Southwest, and Nick I see all the time.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

But, yeah, you guys, as a group, just. You could tell you were all, like, really friends and just having a blast doing it.

[Paul Scheer]

We have the best time. But, you know, we are not in A league. We are no longer in a league. We used to be in a league together, but we are no longer in a league together. I think simply just because not everyone in that group really gives a shit about it. But I am in a league about. I am in another. I'm in three leagues right now.

[Brian Green]

So. Yes.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay, good to know.

[Paul Scheer]

But it is harder for me to watch football because. Just because of my kids. Right. Sunday, to be like, oh, we're not gonna do anything on Sunday. But watch TV is tricky. Cause I'm going to soccer games and going to basketball games. But we got that NFL season pass this year and. And we just keep it on throughout the week. So I may not be watching football in real time, but I watch it throughout the week.

[Brian Green]

I have a lot of friends that do this. I have a lot of friends that do this. Yeah, they get the package and then they say, well, I watch the. You know, when you can, yeah, I'll watch the Sunday afternoon game on Monday at morning or whatever it is. They just watch it throughout the week. It just kind of changed the way that we all watch television.

[Paul Scheer]

It's kind of nice. Cause it's like. It is hard to be like. I mean, but before you had anything to do, you could lounge around on a Sunday and like, you know, and just watch the game. But, you know, we keep it on. But it's so much fun to be able to have. Have it at. Then you watch it without commercials. It goes by a lot quicker. It's great.

[Brian Green]

Oh, God. But my favorite credit that you have has got to be your credit as Roy Cohen.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my gosh. Yes.

[Brian Green]

In the Art of the Deal, that.

[Paul Scheer]

Was so Funny or Die made this movie. The Art of the Deal, which is like a made for TV movie or a made for Internet movie about Donald Trump's book, the Art of the Deal. Now, who played Donald Trump? Johnny Depp. Now, when did that movie finish? Right. When all the stuff about Johnny Depp comes out. Like, literally that was released the day it came out. So all of a sudden, this fun thing that Funny or Die had done and they had done, I think one of those things, I think for Steve Jobs at one point too, it came out and no one could really promote it because it's this weird moment where.

[Brian Green]

They had to be careful.

[Paul Scheer]

Of course.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

But yes, I got to be Roy Cohn work with Johnny on that. Who is in full Trump makeup is a really amazing makeup job. And he does something that's very different than what you would think a Donald Trump impression is. But he worked really, really hard on that. And it's a crazy star studded, insane. Like 40 minutes. I think maybe it's longer than 40 minutes, but it feels.

[Brian Green]

But yeah, I just loved it for so many reasons on so many levels. I love it. I love to see. I'd love to see a good Roy.

[Paul Scheer]

Cone, an interesting guy and, you know.

[Brian Green]

Really? Yeah, yeah. I'd love to see a good poke in the ribs.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I know.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

We have one more thing to talk to you about, that, and that is one of our favorite shows, Naked Attraction.

[Brian Green]

Oh.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my gosh. How crazy.

[Brian Green]

We broke. So. So on certain days, we break down. Like you break down movies. We break down videos, but we do it here, like, live. We'll do it, you know.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Green]

Short videos or short clips.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And I have been talking about this to chrissy since, like 2018. Took a trip to Ireland. Got stuck in the only snowstorm Dublin has ever had. Apparently shut the whole town down. I was in this hotel room with my wife for, like, seven days, just doing nothing but stuck in the hotel room and able to walk. But anyway, they kept playing.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Playing that.

[Brian Green]

They had like a. They had like a, you know, a marathon going on of Naked Attraction.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

And I could not believe my eyes or my ears.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And you can't turn away.

[Brian Green]

You can't turn away.

[Paul Scheer]

You can't away. I mean. But, you know, it's so funny because while you can't turn away, there is something so bizarre about it, because when are you ever. Like, when would you ever make a decision based on waist down especially, you know, I mean, like, it's like. And you're seeing stuff in ways that are not sexy. It's horrifying.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, it's like a biological science class or something. It's like, oh, look at her labia. Look delicious. And you're like. It doesn't really look delicious, though. It's kind of weirdly lit. And it's very close.

[Paul Scheer]

No, the backdrop, everything. Now, have you. Have you watched Sex Box?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

No.

[Brian Green]

No. What's that?

[Paul Scheer]

So Sex Box is a show that someone talked to me about after I was talking to him about Naked Attraction. Sex Box. They have a box. People go in there, they have sex, and then they come out, and it's like a. Like, almost like a. A color commentary on what just happened inside the box. You gotta Google it. It's on YouTube. Sex Box. It is. Truly. I mean, it. It ups the ante of Naked Attraction.

[Brian Green]

My Internet skills have failed me. No idea. Sex Box. I I troll down some pretty dark holes for this show and I've never heard of Sex Box, but you better believe tonight my wife's gonna find me in a very strange place when I watch Sex Bots. That won't be the first.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, I don't know if you guys. We do this sometimes on our Twitch show. Rob and I, we'll troll and find different things. I just found this thing that was killing me this week, which was parents who had brought their kid in 1979 to go see the movie Alien.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I saw that. I watched that on your Instagram and it was. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Paul Scheer]

I was like, this is wild. Yeah. To bring a five year old here. I was like, oh, my God.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Alien, the original.

[Brian Green]

I told my kid, kid he couldn't watch Big City Greens until he turned three and a half. Like, I was just like, I'm so nervous about, you know, all this other. This content just flying in their faces and I have no idea. Alien is a up movie for adults to watch.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, yeah. And it's also just like, forget about the. The chest burster and all that kind of stuff. Like, just about the. The drama. It's a drama. It's like a five year old sitting in there for that. It's like, come on.

[Brian Green]

Death and destruction and chaos. It's absolutely crazy. Crazy. Paul Shear, you're one of our favorites of all time. We got so excited when you agreed to come on the show.

[Paul Scheer]

I am so happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I give you express permission if you ever decide to do podcasts on how did this get made? You have express permission to do the commercial.

[Paul Scheer]

Never.

[Brian Green]

No, no.

[Paul Scheer]

It's the best. No, we're all in this together. The only thing I. We. The only thing I really want to do on our show that we've never been able to put pull off because I feel like. I feel like Jason and June really haven't supported my idea for this, but I want to do Captain EO. The ride. The. The Copa Michael Jackson. See, that's what we got to do. All right.

[Brian Green]

Like me to you. I. I am 100% in. I remember the ride like it was yesterday.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

You can find the movie online. I know it.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah. It's all there. It's all there online. It is all there.

[Brian Green]

The commercial break meets. How did it get made? We will do Captain E. You let me know and I'll do a special episode and then I bet Jason and June will get on board. They'll be like.

[Paul Scheer]

That's what I think. I think they need it. I think they need that.

[Brian Green]

Use me as leverage. I'm good. The number. This guy with his mediocre comedy podcast is coming on.

[Paul Scheer]

Come on, number one.

[Brian Green]

Come on, number one. Paul Shear, thank you very much for coming on the show, and we hope to talk to you again. And anytime you're in Disney World, call me because I'll be down there.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What a pleasure.

[Christina]

What? Oh, hi, it's Christina again here to remind you to go to tcbpodcast.com for all things audio, video and TCBDO. Give us a follow on Instagram at the commercial break and on TikTokcbpodcast. And guess what? We have a new phone number. I know what you're thinking, but I promise this is the last TCB phone number you will ever have to remember. So call us and leave us a voicemail or text us at 212-4333, TCB. Once more for the people in the back. That's 212-43333, TCB. Oh, and check out our YouTube channel at YouTube.com thecommercial break. That's all for now. Let's listen to our sponsors and get back to the show.

[Brian Green]

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[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And from the moment that Paul joined us, he was so, so nice.

[Paul Scheer]

I know.

[Brian Green]

Like, I'm just expecting some of these people to come in here. I know, going, why the am I here?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Who the are these people?

[Brian Green]

Let's get this over with.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And mostly we've experienced the exact opposite, I would say, you know, and people have bad days and all that other stuff. And I, I get that. But he what so easy to talk.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

To, so laid back, and just, he makes. He kind of makes me feel a little bit like we haven't accomplished as much.

[Brian Green]

Oh, oh, no, no, no, no. And we have no time. There's no time. No time. No time says Kelly Kapowski. We have no time. There's no time to get 400 credits on IMDb. Unless you consider every one of these episodes a credit, which actually we do. And so does IMDb. They actually have us on IMDb. IMBD. Did you know that? No, you didn't know that? The commercial break is on IMDb and IGN did not. Swear to God, all that's holy. I did not put that up there. It's. I don't know why they just all of a sudden were on IMDb.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So regardless.

[Brian Green]

And you're on there, so good for you. You have a credit for each episode. 500 credits. We beat you, Paul. That's it. That's all I got to say. Paul was wonderful. He was super sweet.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And we get to talk to him for forever. We've said that about a couple other.

[Brian Green]

I know. There's just some people like, you get the energy where you could just. This is the beginning of a great conversation. And then of course, we cut it off because we get nervous that if we stay too long, they're never coming back on or they're going to tell their friends, God damn, I got stuck. I mean, I just got stuck.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Don't. Whatever you do, do not go to that podcast. But hey, I can't wait to listen to his book. And I love that he's having fun with it and doing special clips and things and effects and making it a whole experience because he likes to listen to books, too, and wants to make it entertaining for those of Us who do. And they do count.

[Brian Green]

They do count. I agree with you. And even though we're listening, it's still a book and you're still going through it from beginning to end. Or in most cases, from beginning to end. I have hundred hundreds of audiobooks and when I was running a lot, that's what I do. That's how I would kill the time, you know, if I ran and I would try and do a 5k when I ran out and ran. So for me that would take like 70 minutes. Yeah. And so I would listen to, you know, a good chunk of a book in a run. And I can't wait to listen to Paul's books, the Joyful Recollections of Trauma. It's coming out. Link in the description. As I already said, it'll be on the website too. You can go, you can pre order it that way. It's right, right there for you. The day that it comes out, you don't have to wait. No waiting. And let's do it for Paul. That's what I have to say. Do it for Paul because he's a really nice guy. He's a fellow Disney World fan. He's all up in my kids cartoons and you know, I, I wanted to be mad at him about it, but I, it's like, you know, I do.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Like go back and watch this cartoon now.

[Brian Green]

Big City Greens. It actually is really fun. So here's a funny story about Big City Greens. Big City Greens, like some other shows on Disney since they own espn, have started to do these layovers for NFL football games and, and Big City Greens did it for an NHL game. Oh. So what they do is. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I was actually watching this. Okay. So that was the show. My, my nephew, I was up visiting my nephews and my nephew was so excited about this. It was a Penguins game. They just did. And it was so funny to have like the little characters. Is there a grandma?

[Brian Green]

There's a grandma, there's a dad. Yeah. Now you know, because now my kids kid is so fascinated by this. He doesn't even know what the hockey is, but he's like, dad, put on Big City Greens Hockey.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I have to tell my nephew. I talked to, to Phil.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, absolutely. This is like, this is a big deal. And so Big City Greens is everywhere. It's like Big City Greens and Bluey. They're dominating the kids airwaves. And so now they've started to do these layovers and they're really, it's really Great. Actually.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It's funny. I sat there and watched the game with him while we were watching a. The Big City Greens thing.

[Brian Green]

So I believe. And I know they do this for NFL games, and it's play by play. And what they do is. It's essentially, you know, I guess they have magic markers that they follow the people around, and then the characters are the football players, and so you're watching the actual game as it unfolds, but it's a cartoon, and it's really interesting. It's. And then they have announcers that do the special announcing for this particular version of the game. It's really great. I forgot to ask him about that. But, you know, Paul is a wonderful person. He was so nice to join us today. Chrissy. We have. We have eclipsed even our wildest dreams. I feel like in some ways, we can go ahead and die now or turn off the show. Just go away.

[Paul Scheer]

Who knows?

[Brian Green]

You know, We've reached the top of the improv comedy charts, whatever that means. And we've had Paul Shear on, so. Paul Shear, Margaret Show, Heather McMahon, Hannah Burner. What else could we. Felicia Day, Joanna Housman. I can go through all the whole list, but what else can we accomplish, really, as a mediocre comedy podcast? I don't think go too much further, or else we won't be able to call ourselves a mediocre comedy podcast. We'll be just fine. Fine. We're the Cheesecake Factory of podcast. The new tagline is born. The Cheesecake Factory of podcast. Yes, we are.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Hey, at least we're on Olive Garden. Boom.

[Brian Green]

Hey, listen, that's bad. I don't care what you say. Olive Garden, not my thing. Lots of people like it. Not my thing. Not my thing at all. Even though they have endless breadsticks.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

But the breadsticks aren't good to me.

[Paul Scheer]

I.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

When I had those, I was like, at least I can eat the salad and breadsticks. And those weren't good.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I mean, if what we're considering, good breadsticks is warm wonder white bread, then. Okay.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Frozen.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Doused in butter and chopped, you know, garlic powder, then fine, fine. It's fine. That's what it is. But I agree with you. I didn't think it was, like, some revelation, like everybody said for years.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Until I showed up at an Olive Garden, and I was like, hey, it's all right.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It's all right.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. I've had some Chef Boyardee. Tastes better, I think. Yeah. But anyway, I don't Want to knock Olive Garden? They're fine. They're fine. Go eat. Go eat there. Don't listen to me. What do I know? What do I know? I eat cream and cereal. I don't know the first thing about food. Don't listen to me. All right. TCB, podcast.com. that's where you go. All the show notes, all the links to our guests, pertinent information. It's all there. The video, the audio. You can also get your free piggy fronting sticker by hitting the contact us button. Drop down menu. I want my free sticker. Give us your address, we'll send it away. Also, we need you to be a part of the show. We're really interested in having you on this program. We're not going to be only interviewing guests. We're going to be interviewing people, actual human human beings. Celebrities up here, the rest of us down here. We want to get on your level because that's exactly where. Because that's a step up for us, actually. There you go. So we want you on the show. All you have to do is dial up 212-4333 TCB. 212-4333 TCB. You can text us, let us know you, you have a question, you want some advice, you have a funny story to tell us. If you're interested in just having a generalized discussion with about who makes the bed and who doesn't, or have you made your preparatory will and last testament? Feel free, text us, let us know you want to be on the show and we will let you know the super secret locations and times where you can dial in to be on the show. That's that at the commercial break on Instagram TC at the commercial break on Instagram TCB podcast on tick tock and YouTube.com the commercial break. All right, thanks, doc. Dr. Phil, you looney tune. I love you.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I love you.

[Brian Green]

Best to you. Best to you out there in the podcast universe. And Paul Shearer. Until next time. Chrissy and I always say, we do say and we must say good goodbye. Sam. Sat.