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Episode: TCB's Endless Day #4: Michael Ian Black

Date: May 31, 2025
Guests:

• Bryan Green (Host)
• Krissy Hoadley (Co-host)
• Michael Ian Black (Guest – comedian, actor, writer)

Episode Overview

This episode celebrates TCB’s “Endless Day” series, with the hosts welcoming Michael Ian Black, the acclaimed comedian, writer, and actor best known for “The State” and “Wet Hot American Summer.” The conversation blends improv comedy with genuine discussion of comedy history, pop culture cults, contemporary masculinity, and today’s political climate—all delivered in TCB’s signature irreverent, self-aware tone.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Las Vegas, Poker, and Rules of Gambling

• Opening Banter (01:14-04:20):
  The hosts joke with Michael about his poker skills and Las Vegas trips. Both share tongue-in-cheek “rules” for gambling responsibly.
  • Quote (01:47), Michael Ian Black:
    “My rules are similar. I never stay longer than several days past when I should have left.”
  • Michael humorously admits to budgeting pocket money and finding creative ways to replace it—without his wife finding out.

2. The State, MTV, and Sketch Comedy Roots

• Comedy Origins (04:24-09:17):
  Discussion of Michael’s start with the sketch group “The State” in college and their journey to MTV, including the unexpected reality of making television for little pay.
  • Challenges of youth and ego in early career days.
  • Quote (05:45), Michael Ian Black:
    “MTV needed…a bunch of teenagers to work practically for free.”
  • Quote (08:43), Michael Ian Black:
    “We, we, we…edited the show to a degree, individuals in the group…And I was taking home $400 a week.”
• The hosts highlight both the thrill of getting on TV and the arrogance that sometimes accompanies early success.

3. Cult Status: “Wet Hot American Summer” and Misattributed Fame

• Cult Comedy & Recognition (09:20-14:44):
  • Michael discusses his experience making “Wet Hot American Summer,” knowing it wouldn’t be a box-office smash but sensing its potential for a devoted following.
    • Quote (10:46), Michael Ian Black:
      “This thing is not gonna do well in the theaters…but I did believe that it would find a life after its theatrical release.”
  • Ongoing confusion with him being credited for “Kids in the Hall” (which he was never a part of), and the weirdness of misattribution—even by Google.
    • Quote (13:16), Michael Ian Black:
      “It is the show I am the most recognized for. No joke.”
    • The group laughs over Michael “accepting” his false Kids in the Hall status with fans.

4. Touring and Reunion of “The State”

• Reflection & Reunion (15:28-17:10):
  • Recent live tour during the Hollywood strikes provided a chance for members to reconnect more maturely and “right some wrongs” from their youth.
    • Quote (16:42), Michael Ian Black:
      “…for a lot of us who did the tour, we felt like this is a chance to kind of right some wrongs…It felt like a resolution.”

5. Life Changes and Moving to Savannah

• Post-Pandemic Relocation (19:02-19:37):
  • Michael speaks on moving from Connecticut to Savannah, Georgia, for a “new adventure” after the pandemic.
    • Despite the “stultifying heat and hordes of cockroaches,” it’s been a positive new chapter.

6. Writing, The Daily Beast, and Substack

• Journalism & Creative Muscles (20:35-22:07):
  • Michael discusses being invited to write for The Daily Beast, the different muscle it exercises compared to TV and comedy, and his daily writing routine on Substack.
    • Quote (22:07), Michael Ian Black:
      “Writing for me is like going to the gym for some people. I just have to do it every day…get my reps in every day or I don’t feel like I did something.”

7. Masculinity, Societal Change, and “A Better Man”

• Masculinity, Gender, & Modern Culture (22:24-35:43):
  • Deep dive into what “masculinity” means today, the challenges of toxic masculine stereotypes, and how Michael approaches these issues as a father and author.
  • He emphasizes the importance of expanding—not constricting—the definition of masculinity, paralleling the women’s rights movement.
    • Quote (24:23), Michael Ian Black:
      “We don’t even…have a model in our culture…that expresses a kind of healthy masculinity.”
    • Quote (27:39), Michael Ian Black (about Andrew Tate):
      “Somebody like Andrew Tate, who is just a vile rapist…but is being esteemed as this paradigm of masculinity…”
    • Discussion of loneliness among men in a changing economy and how reactionary figures exploit this.
    • Quote (34:57), Michael Ian Black:
      “It takes all kinds of men. And…the kind of man you are today might be different than the kind of man you are tomorrow…it’s great. Like, we are all multifaceted human beings.”
• Emphasis on the need for men to be full-spectrum humans, capable of expressing the full range of emotion, not limited to just “anger and silence.”

8. Politics, Media, and Confronting Lawmakers

• Current Events & Political Frustration (38:00-44:28):
  • Discussion of the Republican push to cut healthcare, the consequences for ordinary Americans, and Michael’s frustration with political hypocrisy.
    • Quote (40:13), Michael Ian Black:
      “Not a goddamn thing.” (In response to “what can Democrats do?”)
    • Relays a story about interviewing Rep. Mike Lawler, who assured him (on air) he wouldn’t vote to cut Medicare/Medicaid, only to do so days later.
      • Quote (44:12), Michael Ian Black:
        “...from my heart, and I mean this with as much generosity as I can muster. Fuck Mike Lawler.”

9. Playful Banter & Fan Interactions

• Signature TCB Style (Throughout):
  • Frequent comedic asides, including joking about Krissy’s role as “emotional support,” Michael’s apparent good looks (“the Savannah plumping!”), and playful digs at the hosts’ dynamic.
  • Running gags about Michael’s alleged affiliation with “Kids in the Hall,” and the hosts repeatedly reminding listeners (and Google) otherwise.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [01:47] Michael Ian Black (on Vegas habits):
  “I never stay longer than several days past when I should have left.”
• [08:43] Michael Ian Black (on early MTV days):
  “We were the writers…performers…directed the show…and I was taking home $400 a week.”
• [10:46] Michael Ian Black (on "Wet Hot American Summer"):
  “This thing is not gonna do well in the theaters…but I did believe that it would find a life after its theatrical release.”
• [13:16] Michael Ian Black (on mistaken TV credits):
  “It is the show I am the most recognized for. No joke.”
• [16:42] Michael Ian Black (on touring with The State):
  “…this is a chance to kind of right some wrongs…It felt like a resolution.”
• [22:07] Michael Ian Black (on writing):
  “Writing for me is like going to the gym for some people…I just have to get my reps in every day.”
• [24:23] Michael Ian Black (on masculinity):
  “We don’t even…have a model in our culture…that expresses a kind of healthy masculinity.”
• [27:39] Michael Ian Black (on Andrew Tate):
  “Somebody like Andrew Tate, who is just a vile rapist…but is being esteemed as this paradigm of masculinity…”
• [34:57] Michael Ian Black (on being a man):
  “It takes all kinds of men…and…the kind of man you are today might be different than the kind of man you are tomorrow...”
• [40:13] Michael Ian Black (on political powerlessness):
  “Not a goddamn thing.”
• [44:12] Michael Ian Black (on Rep. Mike Lawler):
  “…from my heart, and I mean this with as much generosity as I can muster. Fuck Mike Lawler.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:14] Michael arrives, poker & Las Vegas banter
• [04:24] The State—comedy roots, MTV beginnings
• [09:20] “Wet Hot American Summer,” cult comedy, pop culture status
• [13:16] Kids in the Hall confusion, misattributed fame
• [15:28] The State reunion, touring, “righting wrongs”
• [19:01] Michael’s move to Savannah, Georgia
• [20:35] Writing for The Daily Beast & Substack
• [22:24] Masculinity, Michael’s book “A Better Man”
• [27:39] Critique of toxic masculinity, online influencers
• [34:57] Multifaceted masculinity & emotional spectrum
• [38:00] Politics: GOP healthcare cuts, activism, Lawler incident
• [44:12] “Fuck Mike Lawler” – Political frustration at full boil

Conclusion & Tone

This episode of The Commercial Break rides its signature wave of chaotic, unpolished charm—balancing wit, sharp cultural criticism, and genuine personal insights. Michael Ian Black delivers both comedic gold and heartfelt commentary, pushing for nuanced conversations on masculinity, political realities, and the weirdness of cult fame. The hosts’ playful, candid rapport enlivens the deep-dives, and the result is an engaging hour that feels like old friends riffing with no boundaries.