TCB's Endless Day #8: Tom Papa

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Episode Information

• Title: TCB's Endless Day #8: Tom Papa
• Release Date: May 31, 2025
• Hosts: Bryan Green and Krissy Hoadley
• Guest: Tom Papa, renowned comedian and podcaster

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Introduction

Tom Papa joins Bryan Green and Krissy Hoadley for the eighth installment of "TCB's Endless Day." The episode seamlessly blends humor with insightful discussions, maintaining the podcast's signature chaotic yet engaging style. From the outset, the hosts set a relaxed atmosphere, inviting listeners into an authentic conversation with their esteemed guest.

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Guest Background and Current Projects

Tom Papa delves into his Grateful Bread Tour, sharing anecdotes about his experiences and the inspiration behind the tour's name—a clever play on his podcast "Breaking Bread." He reflects on his journey in comedy and podcasting, highlighting the parallels between performing live and engaging with an audience through his podcast.

"We were on the air talking about what should I call my tour this time, and somebody just threw out 'Grateful Bread.' I was like, oh man, that's great. Pretty much nailed it."
[05:29] Tom Papa

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Experiences with Live Performances and Touring

The conversation shifts to Tom's experiences with live performances, particularly his thoughts on tribute bands and the challenges of maintaining authenticity without the original artists.

"He was so special. He was such an otherworldly being that it's just, you know, it's just hard to replace."
[02:24] Tom Papa

Tom shares a relatable story about attending a concert with his wife, highlighting the personal sacrifices and realities of touring life.

"We're going home. No problem."
[04:29] Tom Papa

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Balancing Career and Personal Life

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the delicate balance between pursuing a career in comedy and maintaining personal relationships. Tom emphasizes the importance of not losing oneself amidst the demands of touring and performing.

"Any consideration of, like, should I stay home? It's really just for the dogs at this point."
[09:58] Tom Papa

He reflects on his early days in comedy, recognizing the pitfalls of relentless touring and the value of having a support system to prevent burnout.

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The Role of Comedy in Mental Health

Tom Papa and the hosts explore how comedy serves as a therapeutic outlet. Tom views his stand-up routines and podcasting as forms of self-expression that contribute to his mental well-being.

"My job is that I get to express, you know, frustrations and anything that's kind of on my mind. And I have this real kind of sense of purpose, and it kind of checks a lot of boxes."
[13:19] Tom Papa

This segment underscores the cathartic nature of comedy and its ability to create a sense of community among audiences.

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Podcasting and Social Media Dynamics

The conversation shifts to the evolving landscape of podcasting and the impact of social media. Tom discusses the challenges and opportunities that come with self-promotion in the digital age.

"It's insane, the power that we hold in these phones. I know that I could have, like, literally hundreds of thousands of people see something."
[30:32] Tom Papa

Both hosts and Tom reflect on the importance of authenticity in content creation, advocating for genuine engagement over superficial metrics.

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Inspirations and Influences in Comedy

Tom Papa shares his admiration for fellow comedians like Craig Ferguson, highlighting the influence of improvisational skills and authentic communication in his own work.

"Craig Ferguson is one of the most underrated late night talk show hosts of all time. I thought his show was absolutely brilliant."
[36:19] Tom Papa

He appreciates Ferguson's ability to blend scripted and improvised content seamlessly, drawing parallels to his approach in podcasting.

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Success, Fulfillment, and Personal Growth

A deep dive into the concept of success reveals Tom's perspective on fulfillment beyond material gains. He emphasizes the importance of meaningful moments and personal connections over traditional markers of success.

"The singularity of the moment when there is a true kind of communication or recognition of what I'm doing or what I'm saying is like the delivery is the moment, the thing is the moment. And then that is the success."
[16:22] Tom Papa

This philosophical take encourages listeners to seek deeper connections and personal satisfaction in their endeavors.

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Closing Remarks and Future Endeavors

As the episode wraps up, Tom Papa and the hosts discuss future projects and express mutual admiration. They highlight the seamless integration of humor and heartfelt conversation that defines their collaborative dynamic.

"We talk about this every once in a blue moon. The conversation pops up and you are consistently our favorite guest. One of our favorite guests."
[39:08] Tom Papa

The episode concludes with light-hearted banter and promotional segments, maintaining the podcast's lively and irreverent spirit.

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Key Takeaways

1. Authenticity in Performance: Maintaining genuine connections in both live performances and digital content fosters deeper audience engagement.
2. Balancing Personal and Professional Life: It's crucial to navigate the demands of a career without compromising personal relationships and well-being.
3. Comedy as Therapy: Utilizing humor and creative expression can significantly contribute to mental health and community building.
4. Evolving with Technology: Embracing social media and digital platforms is essential for modern content creators, but authenticity remains paramount.
5. Redefining Success: True fulfillment comes from meaningful interactions and personal growth rather than traditional success metrics.

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Notable Quotes

• Tom Papa: "My job is that I get to express, you know, frustrations and anything that's kind of on my mind. And I have this real kind of sense of purpose, and it kind of checks a lot of boxes."
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• Tom Papa: "Any consideration of, like, should I stay home? It's really just for the dogs at this point."
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• Tom Papa: "It's insane, the power that we hold in these phones. I know that I could have, like, literally hundreds of thousands of people see something."
  [30:32]

• Tom Papa: "Craig Ferguson is one of the most underrated late night talk show hosts of all time. I thought his show was absolutely brilliant."
  [36:19]

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Conclusion

"TCB's Endless Day #8: Tom Papa" offers a rich tapestry of humor, personal insights, and thoughtful discussions. The episode not only entertains but also provides valuable perspectives on the intricacies of comedy, content creation, and personal fulfillment. Tom Papa's candidness and the hosts' engaging dialogue make this episode a standout addition to "The Commercial Break" series.

Transcript

[Tom Papa]

TTCB's endless day.

[Chrissy]

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[Tom Papa]

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[Chrissy]

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[Tom Papa]

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[Chrissy]

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[Tom Papa]

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[E]

On this episode.

[Tom Papa]

Of the commercial break.

[Brian]

A few weeks ago, Tom Papa gave Brian a few tickets to his Grateful Bread tour. Brian decided to take the tickets, but forgo saying hello. Tom is probably never coming back. So let's enjoy the time we have with this legendary comic broadcast and podcaster. Check out Breaking Bad, the podcast and his live show, Grateful Bread, running through fall. Tom's episode is coming up next. Links in show notes. Let's start that episode now.

[E]

The next episode of the commercial break starts now.

[Tom Papa]

And Tom joins us. And Tom says we're holding up remarkable.

[Sam]

Hello, Tom.

[Tom Papa]

Hi, Tom. Thank you for joining us.

[E]

Fresh as a daisy. We do.

[Brian]

Thank you.

[Tom Papa]

Thank you. Fresh as a daisy, powered by five Hour Energy. Yes, you are on this tour right now, and Chrissy and I have been talking about this long before we even knew you were coming on the show. When you announced the tour, the imagery that you're using for the tour right now, the kind of Grateful Dead ish type of imagery. You a Dead fan?

[E]

Yeah, Yeah, I was. I was a Dead fan in, like, late high school, through college, and. And then it just kind of hooks you.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

And. Yeah. Still.

[Tom Papa]

Did you see Jerry? Did you see Jerry?

[E]

Yes, which is why I no longer really go to many shows.

[Tom Papa]

Right. Because you don't feel it's the same vibe.

[E]

He's not there.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

And everything. I mean, it's fine. You know, it's still great that people get together and everything, but it's really hard to have people go, wow, that was an awesome show. And you're like, it was a pretty good tribute band. I say that.

[Tom Papa]

It was a band. A band that played the music and a few other guys showed up. Yeah.

[E]

He was so special. He was so fantastic. I mean, he was such an otherworldly being that it's just, you know, it's just hard to replace. And you can't really. I haven't gone to the sphere. I was. I don't know, you know, I went to the Hollywood bowl and I brought my wife along and it's the same band. It's, you know, that. And my wife was not into the Dead. Yeah. And she came along with me and, you know, it was. It was rough. It was rough. It was watching it through my wife's eyes of these middle aged dudes trying to recapture something. And it was like halfway through, when my wife sat down in the middle of the concert, I was like, all right, this ship has sailed. And I know the Sphere is supposed to be a beautiful movie and experience, and I might pull the trigger on it, but I won't be bringing my wife if I do.

[Tom Papa]

You know, this is so reminiscent. My wife is Venezuelan and she gets over here and Fish is playing here locally now. I've never been the biggest Fish fan, but I get it. And as like my. In my teenage years, Fish would be what Grateful Dead was to you. You know, it's. Everybody toured around and had magical moments. And, you know, there's just something that can be very spiritual about music and community. And I don't think you need to be a jam band fan to understand that kind of influence that music can have on you. So I'm hyping this up. It can be magical, it can be mysterious, it can be wonderful. And we get to the show and three songs in, my wife sits and she goes, what is that terrible smell? And all this smell? And I said, well, that's weed. And she's like, well, it's making me not feel well. Can we leave? Yeah, okay. All right, we'll go. No problem.

[E]

I love those moments. Cause it's like you plan the whole thing out.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

You're thinking about getting there. About parking, about the scene where it's gonna be fun once you eat enough. We did it. And then this element just comes that you didn't even think about. Like, oh, the weeds. Well, of course there's weed. Oh, and you. All right, we're going home.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You get killed for wheat in Venezuela. I forgot about that one. Yeah, you go to jail for life.

[E]

Ye.

[Tom Papa]

I think the imagery is great though, that goes along with your tour. I think it's like, it fits the vibe and I think it's really cool. Are people responding well to that? Are you getting the kind of. The same.

[E]

Yeah, people really like it. You know, it's something different. It looks creative. It's my. A listener from my radio show actually named it. They just. We were on the air talking about what should I call my tour this time, and somebody just threw out grateful bread. I was like, oh, man, that's great. Pretty much nailed it. The only thing I've.

[Tom Papa]

Do you owe him money?

[E]

I, I don't think so.

[Tom Papa]

Am I. Should I cut that out? So you don't owe him money?

[E]

Yeah. The only thing about it is I, you know, I sign books a lot. After the shows. I'll. Yeah, I'll do book signing. And I heard someone in line go, he didn't even talk about bread.

[Tom Papa]

Like they felt like they got cheated out of the ticket. Yeah, I came for the bread. You didn't talk about the bread. Not one fucking recipe, Tom. Not one fucking recip.

[E]

Yeah, I'm like, what did you think was gonna happen? It's still comedy show.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, I know. That's kind of sad. Do you still. I mean, I think we talked about this last time you were here, but I noticed something about this tour is that your dates are spaced out. They're like, you know, some of the comics come on and we look at their tour schedule and it's like, holy shit, they're playing like 7pm, 9pm, 12pm you know, they're doing three shows a night sometimes. Or they're at least doing four shows, five shows a week. Yours are more spaced out. Is that the.

[Sam]

That's the way I would do it.

[Tom Papa]

That's the way I would do it too, Chrissy.

[E]

And I want to know.

[Tom Papa]

And then we're doing 12 hours of TCP.

[E]

Yeah, but you get to go home. Like, I don't, I never wanted to just keep going, you know, I like to go out on the weekends, you know, sometimes they're longer weekends, but go for the weekend and then go back home, back to your family, live your life, do your stuff and then go back out. It's the. I remember when I was a young comic, like starting out, I was in Vegas and the headliner was this just like journeyman who had been, you know, moderately successful and he was just, he, his family was at home and his hadn't seen his wife in a long time. And he just keeps going. Like he'll just go for weeks at a time. And there's gaps when you're not performing, so you're just kind of hanging out in a hotel or in airport. And I remember just seeing him at the slot machines late at night and I was like, all right, now I can't do that. I really can't do that. And that gig in Vegas at the time was a week long gig, which was unusual. It was like Sunday to the following Monday. And I remember saying to my other comedian friends, we're starting out. I said, in the beginning of the week, I'm all excited and Writing jokes. By the end, I'm sad. And writing poetry.

[Tom Papa]

Right, Vegas.

[E]

Yeah. And the road. And I was just like, I can't. I don't want to live that that way.

[Tom Papa]

I don't blame you.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

I think when. I mean, listen, there's a certain amount of bravery that goes along with standup comedy, and I just don't think. I just don't think I have the constitution. No, I don't. I don't. I'll be the first to admit I know where my strengths are. It's sitting in this chair, hiding behind the microphone, not reading the comment section. That's. That's where my strengths lie.

[E]

Never looking someone in the eye.

[Tom Papa]

Yes, that's correct. I want to make sure my children understand that chicken shit is the word, is the way to roll your life. But one of the things I do when in brief moments of insanity, where I'm going, yeah, I should go out and we should do this is the travel. I would never want to be away from my family like that for two reasons. Number one, I think I'd be real sad. And number two, I fear I might get used to it. Like, it might become something that I just get used to, and I don't want that.

[E]

There is that for sure. I mean, you know, the thing is, when you get on these planes and you go off to perform, it's loaded with people who are not going to shows.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

And I was like, oh, yeah. This isn't just like this weird comedy life. These are business people who are traveling all week long who have many more miles on this airline than I do. And he realized, well, everybody has to move. Everyone has to hustle. And, you know, if travel's a part of your job, then it's just part of your job. And I was thinking that last night, like, I'm home. I was home last weekend, and I go out pretty often, and I do get used to it. Like, it was a Monday night or whatever it was. And I was like, oh, I haven't been home that long, and I'm kind of itching to go to your point about getting used to it.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

And it's like, I do have that thing where I want to get out there, and I still enjoy that part of it. Now my kids are grown. You know, they're both in school. So I'm like, well, any consideration of, like, should I stay home? It's really just for the dogs at this point.

[Sam]

Does your wife go with you on some of.

[E]

No, she's going to more. She's A teacher. And next year she's dialing back and just doing a lighter schedule. So I think she's gonna. She thinks she's going to come.

[Tom Papa]

She thinks she's going to come. She's. She's mulling it over.

[E]

Yeah, I just know. I know it'll be like, oh, that'll be fun. And then you see this monastic life that I live on the road and do the show and then skip dinner and just come back and try and get sleep and, you know, and it's a grind and get up and go to the next city and, you know, I know that she's gonna be like, oh, this will be so much fun to go to Atlanta. And then it'll be like, maybe I'll skip next week.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, this will be fun to go to Atlanta to see the inside of yet another hotel room and watch you read over your material to make sure you have it for tomorrow. Yet another sound check. Congratulations, Tom. We're doing fun shit.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so nice to watch you get applause from.

[Tom Papa]

I love all these adoring women around you. It's fun for me. It's fun for me.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

I shouldn't go back to the classroom where I'm doing something meaningful and positive for the world, but I would imagine if I put myself. Tom Papa's shoes. But you. I shouldn't put myself on top.

[E]

Go ahead.

[Tom Papa]

But if I put myself on top of.

[Sam]

Go ahead.

[Tom Papa]

He's like, go ahead, feel free. That it's that moment, you know, that. What do they call that, the five yard walk or the 15 yard walk? Eddie Brill had this saying. He would say the 15 foot walk, you know, out to stage. That's the moment, that's the light. There's the magic, there's the energy. When you get out there and you're bouncing back and forth and people are responding to moments of creativity that you.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

Done whole cloth. That's the magic that probably I would imagine is part of. Is what pulls you to the next city.

[E]

Yeah. I mean, it's the whole gig is that sharing your. Sharing your jokes, which are really just reflections of what you're going through. And. And I always say, like, the best shows are when you leave, you feel a little less alone. You know, like, we've brought up these anxieties and these frustrations and these nonsensical moments and everybody's laughing and we're like, oh, I'm not the only one who is dealing with this kind of person or this kind of thing. And you Leave. And you feel, like, settled. You feel, like, all right, I'm not an oddity. I'm actually one of this bigger collective. And you only get that when you're in a room filled with other people. And my house isn't big enough to take reservations, so I have to go to them.

[Tom Papa]

Is this catharsis for you?

[E]

Yeah, sure.

[Tom Papa]

Is it therapy? Is it catharsis?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I've never gone to therapy.

[Tom Papa]

You've never gone to therapy?

[E]

And I think that it's a big part of it is my job is that I get to express, you know, frustrations and anything that's kind of on my mind. And I have this real kind of sense of purpose, and it kind of checks a lot of boxes.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

So I don't. Yeah. That kind of is my. Is my place for cultivating good mental health.

[Tom Papa]

It's church. It's communion. It's communion when you're. I can see that. That if you, you know, you're observational. So you make an observation or a frustration or something that's running through your head that's irritating or beautiful or whatever it is, and then you say it out loud and there's a punchline, and laughter opens people up, this certain kind of energy. Yeah. And then you feel that feedback. You. Like you said, you feel a little less alone. You go, oh, yeah, I'm not crazy.

[E]

Yeah. When I was younger, I was, like, when I was younger, and you'd hear people, you know, talk about, well, what. You know, laughter is important, and all those kind of little catchphrases. And I would think, well, you know, I don't know. I mean, also part of it is me being hungry for people to like me and. And that I can be on a billboard one day or.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

And. But then it does settle in. And you. I'm definitely seeing at this point in my career that how valuable it is, you know, when I do those book signings and people come up and they're like, I travel six hours to be here, and I've. Your special got me through the pandemic. And I'd even go one step further. And it's not just, like, what they're getting out of, it's what I'm getting out of it, you know, and, you know, all that, you know, like, everything in life, when you're younger, you think, oh, that's just corny, you know.

[Sam]

Right.

[E]

It's not cool. And then you grow up and you're like, no, it's actually right on the. Right on the nose.

[Sam]

So true.

[Tom Papa]

It's like. It's like I. I think that all these, you know, these little phrases, catchphrases that I would hear from adults in my life when I was younger, especially my father. And then. Holy shit.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

He was so fucking right. And that pisses me off. That's another reason to go to therapy, is that my dad was fucking right about everything. And now I'm. My dad. And now I'm pissed off like he was that everything that I have to feed on.

[E]

It's a funny. It's a funny idea, actually, for a joke. The guy who goes to therapy just to praise his parents.

[Tom Papa]

It is an interesting concept, though, that when you're younger, it's like kind of this ego that's driving you. Right. There's some idea of success. There's some idea of the mountain that's climbed. And when do you get there? You never really get. You're there. Like you're there, but it's hard to see that there's nowhere else to go. You just keep. You feel like you keep climbing. But then with some perspective and some. I guess some success makes this easier to have perspective.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

But with some success, you start to go, well, that's empty. That wasn't it the Billboard. Wasn't it the, you know, album sales, the radio station, the plane, you know, opening for Sign, whatever it is, Right? And then what it really is is this moment, the singularity. Like, the singularity of the moment when there is a true kind of communication or recognition of what I'm doing or what I'm saying is like the delivery is the moment, the thing is the moment. And then that is the success. That's what I was looking for the whole time.

[E]

Yeah, no, absolutely. And success is actually the thing that I think shines a light on it the most is that you're like, oh, all this stuff that you were chasing is ultimately not that satisfying. I mean, it is, and it definitely takes pressure off and that kind of thing. But ultimately it's not a true source of joy or belonging. There's something greater at work in the universe that you have to tap into to settle that for sure.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. I think that success makes it easier because money makes things easier. Right. When you don't have those pressures. I mean, there are problems that come with money, too. When you have a certain amount of success or ease or you can pick up the phone and you can play this room or that room or wherever, there's gotta be a certain amount of ease that comes along with that. And so that gives space to allow you to have some perspective.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

Unlike the journeyman who's sitting at the slot machine wondering when the next bill is going to get paid. That's a certain type of stress that's all encompassing. And I think it is hard to have perspective in that way. And that's why I think a lot of people, especially in today's day and age, it's. They're kind of losing their shit a little bit. Is because they're under that pressure and that kind of pressure, it's like, you know, it's like diamond level pressure. Right. You can't get away from it. It's hard to have perspective. Speaking of today's, you know, the pressures of today, have you been gifted a jet yet from the Qataris or is that. Is that.

[E]

I haven't yet.

[Tom Papa]

I'm hoping you do, so you can come pick us up and we can have a. I was thinking about that.

[E]

This morning when you. He was like, it's stupid to say no.

[Tom Papa]

Stupid people say no.

[E]

And it was the same when he said when he ran the first time, it's stupid to pay taxes. I'm like, wait, what? There's so much stupid about what you just said about being stupid.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. But we do have to say one thing. I think we can all be in agreement on this. It is one badass airplane.

[E]

I mean, I haven't seen the inside or anything. I just saw the outside.

[Tom Papa]

Oh, Tom, you've never seen it?

[Sam]

I saw some pictures of it this morning.

[Tom Papa]

Oh, you've never really.

[Sam]

I think it was from the Daily show last night.

[Tom Papa]

It's dripping in opulence. It's like the kind of plane you could only dream of.

[E]

But back to your point. Back to your point. So then you. If you haven't. If you think that sitting on that plane is going to bring you happiness and you're sitting there in this gold leaf chair and eating shrimp cocktail out of a golden monkey head.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[E]

A little. A little tear rolls down your cheek. It didn't do it again. It didn't do it.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. Some people will always chase that. That is because the ego never goes away. The ego never shuts up. Right. And so if the ego doesn't.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

I had this friend who said this, something like, now we're really going down the rabbit hole here. But I had a friend that one time said something to me that has always stuck with me. Be careful. When you push ego out the front door, it doesn't come in the back door. Right. And so some people just are on that revolving door. And that's just a personality type, and that's a whole different conversation.

[E]

It can get you a lot of.

[Tom Papa]

Cash, that's for sure. Yeah.

[E]

It can definitely get you things.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

But if you have any kind of soul, you might be empty.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, exactly. You might not. And that's the. That's the part that once you have.

[Sam]

A thing, then it's. What's the next thing?

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. What's the next thing? And the next thing. It's never enough. It's always the next thing. And you have to. And there's this kind of, like, aggravated dominance that has to come with that, where everybody else has to get out of the way or be stepped on. And that's the part that kills me is that should we be focusing more on, like, the soul of it instead of the thing of it? And I just think, yes, of course that's the answer. But it doesn't seem to be the answer for a lot of people. Seem to be. And that's okay. Maybe it's. Maybe we're just all in. Maybe we're all learning together.

[Sam]

Maybe our podcast will help. Maybe this podcast will open someone's eyes to their soul.

[E]

At least the three of us know what's going on.

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Tom Papa]

The three of us. And, you know, the three of us. And I'll add one more into there. And this is a very interesting connection that I made about you, Tom. Is Rob Zombie your friend?

[E]

Yes.

[Tom Papa]

How in the world. How do we not know this? I mean, I know these are.

[E]

So why are you surprised? I guess.

[Tom Papa]

I don't know.

[Sam]

He's a creative.

[Tom Papa]

I like Rob Zombie. I like him a lot. How did you guys connect?

[E]

We had a mutual friend that he had cast in his House of Thousand Corpses, and she got married, and Rob and I ended up at a destination wedding together.

[Tom Papa]

Like a beach? Like a beach?

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

Rob's zombie. Yeah.

[E]

Like a Rambo. Yeah. Like on the east coast, like, Boston area. And, you know, when you go on a destination wedding, you need an ally if you don't know people. Like, if you're not part of the inner circle, you need an ally to rip the thing apart, you know? And we just kind of hung that whole weekend. And, you know, I, of course, loved his music, and he knew my comedy, and we just really, really kind of formed a friendship and then just started working together.

[Tom Papa]

I love this partnership.

[E]

And when I was doing my standup special, I was like, I want this to be, you know, more like a film. It was like they were kind of it was like the Comedy Central days where everything was kind of looking the same. And.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

I was like, I want to try and have a little bit more of a film perspective on it. And I asked Rob if he would do it, and we did a couple of them together, and they were definitely creative. He's great.

[Tom Papa]

He's wonderful, and I have heard him a number of times. There was a period of time where he was. Him and Stern were talking a lot, and so, like, you know, Rob was on Stern, and I loved his music. I was a kid of that age, you know, it was an amazing. Just like a different sound that was so cool and heavy, but accessible, and I just loved it, and I. I found it very fascinating. Do you guys still communicate to this day?

[E]

Yeah, yeah. I just saw him, you know, like, a month ago, and, yeah, he's great. And I'd love to. Every time we get together, we're like, what's next? What are we gonna do? You know, I think the way to sum it up is he's a lot nerdier than you think, and I'm a lot cooler than you think.

[Sam]

I believe that.

[Tom Papa]

I think you're cool. I think Tom Papa is cool. I think I've always felt Tom Papa is cool. Do you miss the Comedy Central days when, like, there was, like, a repository? Like, a place, a repository?

[E]

Yeah, I think. Yeah. I mean, it was. I don't know if I miss it, but it was definitely good for me at that time. Like, we all passed through there, and in a lot of ways, we all got our first, like, little specials, like half hour specials and that kind of thing. It was definitely a place that was cultivating new talent, and it was definitely there at the right time for me and all of my peers. And it is kind of. It is sad to think that it's, like, now just, you know, it's great that you can see South Park 24 hours a day. There's nothing wrong with that. But I would love to see more young comics and just that central place for comedy. I think that is kind of missing. I mean, Netflix stepped in, and I.

[Tom Papa]

Think they've done well. I think they've supported the comedy community.

[E]

And I just hosted a thing with all young comics last year, Thursday, that Netflix was putting on. They were filming them, and it's like, 10 new comics. And that was very cool, like, to see. Yeah, see these people that are, like, in the beginning stages, and so they're doing. And some of the Comedy Central people are over there that are still doing it. And love the form. So it exists, but not on Comedy Central anymore.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, I think that social media has taken away the, like the soup. I mean, there's super niche television out there. You can find. I mean, for God's sakes, you can go on Pluto TV and see, you know, Beverly Hills 90210 of season to season, day to day, you know, they have a channel dedicated to it. So there's super niche TV out there with ott. But it was just different. I remember when Comedy Central, I remember the first time that I think I ever remember being super connected to stand up comedy, like finding it to be something.

[Sam]

I got obsessed with that and hbo. Those were the places.

[Tom Papa]

But was my, my dad, when he first got cable, when Comedy Central came on, Comedy Central would run like a joke from one comic, like a video, almost like an MTV video. And they would just play it 24 hours a day. These comics would just come on and it was. I got obsessed with watching it over and over again.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, it was cool. It was definitely, it was. Definitely had its moment. But you know, like you said, like, now there's no gatekeeper. Like we. There were friends that couldn't get on Comedy Central at the time. And today that young comic can just get them get a set, put it up on their own TikTok. And if people are into it, you're into it. And that's kind of, that's kind of great. That's definitely opened the door for a lot more voices.

[Tom Papa]

I think you seem to have found like your voice, your rhythm on social media. Do you enjoy that part of. I mean, but I think you have a really. Well, first of all, the podcast is great. I think everybody can agree the podcast is freaking fantastic. One of my favorites. Right, but then you love breaking bread. I mean, making bread. Making and making. You love making bread.

[E]

And you.

[Tom Papa]

It's almost like in a spiritual way that you talk about it.

[E]

Right.

[Tom Papa]

And I love that. I think that's interesting. But you've kind of cultivated this little personality, this big personality actually on social media. Do you enjoy that or.

[E]

Yeah, I do.

[Tom Papa]

Something that checks the box for you.

[E]

I do enjoy it. And I, you know, I, I'm. It takes more to be good at. It takes more time than I thought.

[Sam]

Absolutely.

[E]

And I thought. Right, yeah. And I thought it was me. I'm like, what's with me that I, I'm always messing it up. And then when I got help from different people and I've got this tour manager who does the content when we're out there and puts together these cool videos of us on tour. And she's so good at it, but she works really hard, and she's been doing it for a long time, and she's spending the whole next day editing it. And just for a minute long video. But she's thinking about it for days, and she's filming it, and then she's editing it and then gets it up there. And I realized it took all the frustration out. I thought, well, I just am not. I'm not good at this. No, this is. You're actually making a TV clip. Yes, yes and yes. And you may not be. You may not have the aptitude for that.

[Tom Papa]

You know, it's not in your lane.

[E]

Yeah, it's not my lane. I'm not good at it. Oh, yeah. And then you.

[Tom Papa]

Okay, what's her name?

[E]

How do I have her phone number?

[Sam]

I'm not good at it.

[Tom Papa]

Can we have her phone?

[E]

And then I can fill in the places that I'm good, which is like, me, like, doing bread or, like, taking pictures of my dog and just kind of adding into it. So then it has my personal touch. And that part I'm good at. I can enjoy doing that. But it was just. I was just frustrated that I thought it was me, but it's actually. No. This is kind of difficult to do this stuff. Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

We had the same conversation. We, like, called, you know, professionals. You know, at some point in your career, you know, everybody will realize this as an entrepreneur and you are one and we are one. As content creators, you realize that you have to call in the professionals and not the guy who's offering you, you know, I can get you many happy followers for $5. Yeah, but the actual professionals, right? The people who have done this before, who have a resume, who know what the fuck they're doing, I have decided that if I'm gonna pay, I'm gonna pay the people who are the best, so that at the very least, I've got a running head start.

[E]

Right? Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

And. And we had this conversation, and they're like, you're literally taking the clips of your show, cutting them up, and putting them on the social media. No one gives a shit. They listen to your show. Your listeners don't care about your show because they already heard your show. Why do they care about a clip? But you have to work at it, and you have to do it. You have to put some effort and time into it.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

To which Chrissy and I say, we're out.

[Sam]

We're out.

[Tom Papa]

That's it.

[E]

We're out. We're doing four episodes of Weed.

[Tom Papa]

I'm tired. What do you want me to do? I'm not telling Papa. I can't just work on the Wii weekends. What do you think I am here?

[E]

I'm tired. Yeah. But I think it's. I think that is a. That's a key. Is like kind of always. Always moving forward and finding stuff that you like to do that are, like, you know, I mean, it could be something so small and stupid as, you know, doing a voiceover for your cat or something, but you're. But you're trying stuff and having fun with it, and if it makes you laugh and then it becomes. It's not drudgery.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[E]

I mean, it's so insane, the power that we hold in these phones. I know that I could have, like, literally hundreds of thousands of people see something.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[E]

From this.

[Tom Papa]

It's insane.

[E]

It's just. You're foolish not to do it. And it's taken me a while. It wasn't so easy to, like, you know, people got it and took off really quickly. It took me a beat to kind of tap into it. But if I just see the value of it so much more now than when I was just looking at it as an annoyance.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. I think that's.

[Sam]

Maybe after five years.

[Tom Papa]

Maybe after five years, we're gonna turn the corner after this conversation with Tom, because what he's saying does make sense. This is the moment.

[Sam]

I know.

[Tom Papa]

This is our time. By the time we do the 24 hours of TCB on our 10th anniversary.

[Sam]

12 hours.

[Tom Papa]

Let's add more from the villages in Florida. We're gonna be at the retirement village.

[E]

But I don't know about. I don't know about. I mean, the whole world doesn't know about your podcast.

[Tom Papa]

No.

[E]

And your followers. I mean, there's not a lot of. You know, I could have a video of my podcast that 100,000 people see, and then it doesn't translate into a huge bump on who listened that week. But I do believe that it's still advertising for your pod.

[Tom Papa]

I agree.

[E]

You know what I mean? It's still like, people are seeing it, and then they'll run into it somewhere else or. You know, I still think it's pretty valuable to post things of exactly what you do do.

[Tom Papa]

I agree with you.

[Sam]

You just need to mix in the personal stuff.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. I think we need to mix in some creativity in there. Because here's the thing. The person said to us, listen, this is a conversation with a potential audience, and he said the exact same thing you did. It doesn't really matter what you do, as long as it is interesting and it catches attention and you like it, somebody else out there is going to connect with it. Yeah, exactly. He said the challenge is you' going outside of your own own box to do anything additionally creative. Because this is a whole conversation about social media and whatever. Who cares?

[E]

No, but it's interesting.

[Tom Papa]

We've always been bad.

[E]

It is interesting because, you know, there's also that part where, like, these conversations, like, the reason people enjoy these is it's real and truthful and fun and honest. And then there's another part when you go into that element of social media where all of a sudden you're selling and it's like, you know, you're not selling in the middle of your thing. Like, this is like, you know, you might have a sponsor or whatever, but. Yeah. So there's always that ick factor of.

[Sam]

Like, am I pushing too much?

[Tom Papa]

Got it.

[E]

You know. Yes, but people need to hear what you're doing.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

So for the first three years, three and a half years, I think Chrissy and I were even afraid to say that we did a podcast outside of this studio, let alone get on social media.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

And ask people to listen to it or do something we felt was insincere to the brand. And the brand is Chrissy and I just having a conversation. And so I agree with you. There is an ick factor. I see it so much on social media. I don't want to be a part of it. But at the same time, I think now we're a little longer in the tooth creatively. We can find a way to organically do this. And the one thing your tour manager is really good at and those videos that she does when you're out on the. Out on the road.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

And go follow Tom, because he's. He. She does a really good job. Is that you're doing these really interesting videos with your openers and you're here and you're there and whatever place that you're doing, it's an interesting minute and a half or minute or whatever it is. It makes you want to watch it. It's not inauthentic to Tom.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

But it is saying, I'm gonna be here. So if you want to, you know, hey, I'm here. Come on down. And I think she's, like, riding that balance between telling people in a, like, not very brash way.

[E]

Exactly.

[Tom Papa]

Tickets available. And here's some interesting things about this town. You're eating a burger, you're at the St. Louis Arch. You're wherever you are.

[E]

And they're seeing us just being goofy, which, you know, they don't normally see what we're doing all the time, like dancing around and, you know, acting like dummies and, you know, it's fun. It actually, I think that's probably the key in, you know, in life.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, in life.

[E]

Yeah. It should be fun. We shouldn't be. This shouldn't be. If you're enjoying it, then that'll be contagious, you know, no one wants to see. Like, there's nothing worse. When you see a comic and they're like, all right, I'm coming to Atlanta. Tickets are still available. Yeah, it needs to stay. Oh, stop. You'd be better off not doing it.

[Tom Papa]

I could think of three comics that you just did an impression of that I saw just this week on my Instagram. They're like, ticketmaster made me do it.

[E]

Gotta do this. Sorry.

[Tom Papa]

Who'S. I know you probably don't want to name a favorite or you probably couldn't, but who is one of your favorite guests that you have had on the podcast and why?

[E]

Oh, man.

[Tom Papa]

So I can go listen to it when I'm running later on.

[E]

There's so many good ones.

[Sam]

That's tough.

[E]

Yeah, it is tough. Liam Morgan was great. Craig Ferguson was great.

[Tom Papa]

I love Craig Ferguson.

[E]

People who know, people who talk for a living are really good at it. There's good stuff with actors and we've had some really great ones and they're always interesting and kind of fun. But like, there's. There's a. It moves so quick. So much more quickly when you have like Kimmel on or Craig Ferguson or, you know, these kind of people that just, they know what's happening. This is a broadcast. We're moving the story along. We're gonna go. There's just a. There's just an energy to those that I think are just easy and impressive.

[Tom Papa]

I think Craig Ferguson is one of the most underrated late night talk show host of all time. I thought his show was absolutely brilliant. For me, it was Must see tv.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, I can tell. He was wonderful. He was bored of the form when he got there.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it was even. It was too boxy to hold him in. Right. I mean, he was just so quick witted and the way he would talk to that camera unscripted to me was a feat of, I don't know, genius. Every time he went out there, it was a Different monologue. Unscripted.

[E]

Completely.

[Tom Papa]

Well, maybe not completely improv, but mostly improv, but a lot.

[E]

Yeah. And he had an interesting thing when I was talking to him. I don't know if it was on mine or on his podcast, but he was talking about the perspective of coming from the uk. They didn't see the late night show as a life sentence. Like, we see it as so precious that you've gotta stay in that job for 30 years. And he saw it as a gig. He was like, yeah, this'll be fun. I'll do this for a while. When it's not fun again, back to fun. I won't do it anymore. And that was like, well, yeah, of course, why not? We have this Johnny Carson monolith in our brain. But he was like, you know, I did it for X amount of years. And all right, what's next?

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, well, when you're as good at it as Letterman or Kimmel, I mean, maybe it's not a life sentence, but it sure does seem like the thing you were born to do, Right?

[E]

And there is definitely that American thing of like, oh, no, this gig is good. And we're gonna.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, you're getting paid $10 million a year.

[E]

But could you imagine, I mean, like, we're talking about all the episodes that you've done. Could you imagine looking back through a scroll of 20 years? Three guests a night for 20 years. Wow. Man, oh, man.

[Tom Papa]

No, No, I can't. Well, here's why I asked you who your favorite guest was. I can't imagine, actually, because I know that's what I'm going to be doing at some point. I'm going to be going, holy shit, 16,000 episodes of the commercial break and I still don't have a 401k. Chrissy, come in tomorrow at 11.

[E]

We're doing it from the jet.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, we're doing it from the jet. We're doing it. We're doing it from Lynyrd Skynyrd's old airplane.

[Sam]

Yeah, that's what we'll have.

[Tom Papa]

That's what we'll have. Here's why I ask you who your favorite guest was and why. Because we've done this. I think we've had 89 guests or something along those lines. And we talk about this every once in a blue moon. The conversation pops up and you are consistently our favorite guest. One of our favorite guests. You're on the list every single time.

[Sam]

And Reggie Watts.

[Tom Papa]

And Reggie Watts.

[Sam]

Even Reggie.

[E]

Reggie Watts. That's right. That's good company.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

And here's the reason why is because you're authentic, you're easy to talk to, and you sure as shit are interesting. Every time. Both times we've spoken to you, you're just interesting. You just have a lot. You just have a great perspective on life. And I think that that's why you connect with people.

[E]

It has nothing to do with my hair.

[Sam]

Cheers to you, Tom.

[Tom Papa]

I like your hair too.

[Sam]

I love your hair.

[Tom Papa]

Your hair looks great today. You're just gonna chop it all off at one point.

[E]

I don't know. I was looking at your head during this interview and I was like, it's nice to go tight. Yeah, really tight. I do like it. It feels good. I'm playing with this, this front thing. But I was watching the Knicks last night and their coach has I think the worst hair in America for sure. And it's so. My daughter was like, what is he doing? And he's just like three strands going off to the side.

[Sam]

Oh, God.

[E]

Yeah, it's gonna. I mean, yeah, listen, when you get.

[Tom Papa]

Paid $22 million a year.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

You can do what you want to. It's like that Belichick, he wore the, he wore the flash dance sweater on that interview. Did you see he had the rip in the inner rip in the sweater. Did you see that from Flashdance?

[E]

Hilarious.

[Tom Papa]

When his girlfriend was saying, we're not gonna talk about that.

[E]

Oh, during that one.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, yeah. Bill Belichick is a hot mess that no 22 year old girl probably willingly wants to be with. But I cast no dispersions whatever. You know, love is love and you can't choose who you fall in love with or their pocketbook. Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Come on.

[Tom Papa]

But Belichick's a mess. But when you have all that money and all those rings, what does it really matter? You can.

[E]

He's having fun.

[Sam]

He's having fun.

[E]

He's having a good time. I mean, maybe do it in the privacy of your own home.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. Not on TikTok.

[E]

Right, right. Maybe if you don't put it out there, you won't hear comment. There's no one making comments from your basem. Well, but I guess she wants to be out there.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah, she wants him out there. Yeah. She's looking for the next round.

[E]

That was a very sweet moment, seeing Jay Leno in that interview. I forget the guy's name.

[Tom Papa]

What was that all about?

[E]

That guy?

[Tom Papa]

Not Jay Shetty, but the other guy. I know who you're talking about.

[E]

He's good. I like that guy. He has good people on A very.

[Tom Papa]

Interesting way about him, and I've grown to like it.

[E]

Yeah, he's fine. Yeah, let's, let's, let's stay focused. But Jay was talking about how he's taking care of his wife now.

[Tom Papa]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

Of 40 years and, you know, she's got dementia and, and just that he's, you know, seeing the, the good in that. That he didn't re up with someone 20 years younger at some point and that he's seeing it through. It was like. Oh, you never hear. You don't hear that too often. Yeah, it was a nice thing to hear for sure.

[Tom Papa]

You know, I got a really bitter taste in my mouth as. As a huge fan of Letterman and, and Conan and Carson. I got a bitter taste in my mouth about.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

Leno for a long time, and he just wasn't my favorite late night guy. But the more that I hear him talk, the more I see that there, there's. There might be a good guy under all. You know, he's just like a. Yeah, I think so. And when you think about him staying with his wife, that's like the ultimate till death do us part.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, that's. Yeah. And, you know, I've had him on mine and when I would go do that show and he, like, brought my father out to go see his cars, and he was just always such a. Just a solid guy. And I know, like all the cool kids during all that dust up, it got weird and, you know, back to ego, and you never know what the real story is. I can only tell you from personal, like looking in the guy's eyes and hanging out, and he was always solid. It's not surprising that he was making that comment, you know, at this point.

[Tom Papa]

Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. Also, in Jay's defense and to my ignorance, you know, the PR people were working overtime on that one, right?

[E]

Oh, yeah, right. Big campaigns and. Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

I mean, big money, big egos.

[E]

Yeah. A lot of intrigue, you know, a lot of drama and. But, you know, ultimately, Ferguson is right. Get out of there.

[Sam]

Yeah, get out.

[E]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tom Papa]

Tom Papa, currently on tour right now. Also his podcast, Breaking Bread, it is one of the better ones out there. Always an interesting guest sitting down across from Tom. You're welcome back anytime.

[E]

Thank you. Good luck. I hope you. I hope you make it to the end.

[Tom Papa]

Well, I think you might be the end. So there you go.

[E]

You did it.

[Tom Papa]

All the links in the show notes.

[E]

All right, guys. Thank you so much.

[Chrissy]

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[Tom Papa]

Yeah.

[Chrissy]

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[Tom Papa]

Papa.

[Sam]

He's my papa.

[Tom Papa]

He's everyone's papa. He feels like that. He's got that uncle vibe. You know what I'm saying?

[Sam]

He totally does.

[E]

Yeah.

[Tom Papa]

He could be anyone's uncle. And you'd be happy to have him as your uncle.

[Sam]

Oh, my God. Him at a family function.

[Tom Papa]

So good. And after I saw him live and knowing just how funny and animated he could be, I would spend all the time with Tom Papa. Tom, bring me on your show. Bring us both on your show.

[Sam]

Let's break bread.

[Tom Papa]

Let's break bread together. Why won't that happen? That's a conversation for a different day. Anyway, Tom Papa's Breaking Bread Tour. Grateful Bread Tour. Excuse me. Breaking Bread is the podcast. The Grateful Bread is the tour. He just announced like 30 more dates running all the way through the end of December. So go to his website, follow him on social media, all the links in the show notes below so that you too can have the, I guess the privilege of the experience of going to see a Tom Papa show.

[Chrissy]

Starts early, ends early.

[Tom Papa]

Babysitters will be no problem. They're gonna love you. You're home by 10:00 clock, 10:30, and you're gonna laugh your sacks off. I guarantee it. He's great. He's just great. He's one of the best. All right, number six in the can. Can we do it?

[E]

We're running through.

[Tom Papa]

We're running through it. Can we do it?

[Sam]

Trains rolling.

[Tom Papa]

The little podcast that could keeps going. I just love it. Hey, while we're at it, I want to thank Odyssey, our network partners who have been great to us through this whole dumb idea. They have really supported us in a lot of ways. And Dana Carvey and Dana Spade, I want to thank them personally because they also ran some promotions for us with the TCB's endless day. And so thank you. I'm not sure that they themselves had, like, they made that decision, but the producers or whoever's over there who agreed to it, thank you very much. Fly on the Wall. Great podcast from our network partner at Odyssey. Also breaking bread with Tom Papa. More importantly, go check both of those podcasts out. They're both funny and great. Much better than this. 1-212-4333 tcb 212-4333. TCB call now. Check out our Instagram. Gonna go live. Live. Will you be a part of it?

[Chrissy]

I don't know.

[Tom Papa]

You got to go to Instagram and check it out. All right. Tcpodcast.com all that good stuff and five hour energy bringing you the endless day with limited commercial interruptions.

[Sam]

All right, we're doing it.

[Tom Papa]

Let's go take a nap and then we'll be back. I love you.

[Sam]

I love you.

[Tom Papa]

Best to you and best you out there in the podcast universe. Until the top of the hour, Chrissy and I will say we do say and we must say goodbye.

[E]

Sam.