The Thrusting Nature of Man

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Commercial Break

Episode: The Thrusting Nature of Man

Date: October 9, 2024
Hosts: Bryan Green & Krissy Hoadley
Theme: A deep-dive roast and riff session on modern “pickup artist” philosophy, specifically analyzing John Zaun’s bewildering lecture at the 21 Convention—amid tangents about tech woes, nostalgia, and the convoluted “thrusting nature” of masculinity.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode is a signature blend of improv-comedy, cultural commentary, and offbeat chemistry between Bryan and Krissy as they dissect, lampoon, and try to decipher a speech from pickup artist John Zaun at the 21 Convention. The hosts question the logic of Zaun’s “benevolent patriarch” advice to men about masculinity, purpose, devotion, and the so-called “thrusting nature” of men, all while weaving in irreverent asides about tech mishaps, 90s nostalgia, and relationship realities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Medical Procedures & Comedy Recommendations

• Bryan describes his upcoming hyperparathyroid surgery, regretfully watching a surgical video:
  • “Should not have watched that video. Because now I go to sleep... all I can see is my neck being slid.” (02:43)
• Reggie Watts mentioned as a favorite, unique comedian about to appear again on TCB.
• Shogun (the TV series) gets a shout-out, with Krissy loving the slow build and intense, unfamiliar Japanese history.

2. Tech Fails & Data Hoarding

• Bryan recounts his epic tech saga transferring years of podcast data with a failed “hot swap” and comical misunderstanding of server jargon:
  • “I'm now on day number 13 of moving the data from one to the other because the hot swap — Hot swap. I forgot about the hot swap part.” (07:59)
  • “Why can't I do RAID one? He says, because then if one of the drives breaks, then you're fucked.” (11:23)
  • Laments how tech never matches basic common sense logic for non-techies, leading to 13+ days of tedious file transfers.

3. Trusting Tech Workers & Film Developers: Who Sees Your Nudes?

• Funny, candid convo about trusting young tech staff (e.g., Geek Squad) with private phones/photos:
  • “I shall not look at nudes from someone else's phone... like that’s the Geek Squad oath.” (15:17, Bryan)
  • They compare it to old days developing camera film, with workers “having a code of ethics” to report criminal images but admitting the curiosity about ordinary embarrassing pics.

4. Nostalgia for Disposable Cameras & Relationship Fallout

• Bryan reminisces about disposable cameras at his wedding, admitting several are still undeveloped.
  • Shares story of an ex who developed old cameras and discovered awkward, forgotten photo evidence.
• “I have five cameras that I don’t know when they’re from... but they’re out of film.” (17:28, Bryan)

5. Pickup Artist Roast—Introducing John Zaun

• Context: John Zaun, “benevolent patriarch” and oddball speaker at the infamous “manosphere” 21 Convention, is the target of friendly but cutting analysis.
• This continues a previous episode’s premise: Can Zaun finally make a coherent point, or at least say one thing that makes sense?
  • “Goal for episode number two with John's on is can he make a fucking point?” (20:14, Bryan)

6. Zaun’s Points: Love, Devotion, and... Confusion

Key Quotes & Moments

• Devotion:

  • “If your wife or girlfriend is not proud of who you are as a man, what's the point?” (22:26, Zaun)
  • Bryan and Krissy question why pride and devotion are equated, noting their own partners aren’t always “proud” of them, humorously picking apart Zaun’s leaps of logic.
  • “Being devoted has nothing to do with being proud. Astrid’s devoted to me, and she is far from proud...” (23:21, Bryan)

• Appreciation & Relationship “Seeds”:

  • “Little seeds of appreciation... not giant compliments, not a bouquet of roses, not hot air balloons...” (26:40, Zaun)
  • Bryan lampoons this as “just a little jizz... let her know you love her.” (26:50)
  • Krissy, sarcastic: “That’s why you just grab her ass.” (27:11)

• Masculinity & The “Thrusting Nature of Man”:

  • Zaun’s most memorable line:
    • “Anything that’s been created in history, it’s this thrusting, penetrating nature of man.” (35:53)
    • Bryan riffs: “The Washington Monument, thrusting nature of man. The Eiffel Tower, thrusting, penetrating nature of man. The space station. Basically a big penis.” (36:04)
  • Hosts mock this with “cities built on construction worker orgies” and jokes about “sticking your dicks in buildings.”

• Toxic Masculinity & Modern Social Issues

  • Zaun laments “the problem with marriage in the West” is some vague “layer” put on it by government/society.
  • Krissy exclaims: “There’s a layer of something... sticking to me like the algae on Brian’s pool.” (32:28)
  • Zaun instructs men to “go around” social issues (porn, gender wars, etc.), claiming them unwinnable battles:
    • “The media is too strong. We're trying to battle against it. Nah, just go around it.” (41:34, Zaun)
  • Bryan: “Nah, just ignore all the social issues. Get right to the pussy.” (41:41)
  • Zaun: “The idea of... life giving masculinity is toxic. That is a sin.” (42:16)
  • Bryan: “You're stoking a fire that may not need to be stoked.” (42:36)

• Conviction & “First Principles”

  • Zaun awkwardly pivots to Aristotle, advocating men start with “first principles” and “statements of truth”:
    • “I know I see a girl over there who’s attractive to me... That's a statement of truth.” (49:26, Zaun)
  • Bryan: “I like to thrust my friends. I'm a thruster.” (49:01)
  • The hosts semi-approve here, noting, “Maybe Zahn did learn something—if you just talk to a woman like a human being, then maybe they want to be with you.” (51:11, Bryan)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

ON TECH AND LIFE:

• “I’m now on day number 13 of moving the data from one server over to the other because the hot swap... I forgot about the hot swap part.” (07:59, Bryan)

ON PICKUP ARTIST LOGIC:

• “Devotion has nothing to do with being proud. Astrid's devoted to me, and she is far from proud of anything that I do.” (23:21, Bryan)

ON ZAUN’S BIG THESIS:

• “Anything that’s been created in history, it’s this thrusting, penetrating nature of man.” (35:53, Zaun)
• “The Washington Monument, thrusting nature of man. The Eiffel Tower... Basically a big penis.” (36:04, Bryan)

ON NAVIGATING MODERNITY:

• “We’re asking about a lot of hypothetical scenarios that all sound very terrible happening at the exact same day. Like, can’t we just pretend like everything’s going to work out?” (11:31, Bryan)

ON “FIRST PRINCIPLES”:

• “These are my truths. Okay, dude, thanks...” (50:36, Bryan)
• “I know I see a girl over there who’s attractive to me... That's a statement of truth.” (49:26, Zaun)

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Important Timestamps

• [02:43] — Bryan’s surgery woes and the dangers of YouTube medical videos
• [07:59] — Tech data transfer debacle & the infamous “hot swap” error
• [15:17] — Trusting Geek Squad workers with embarrassing data
• [17:28] — The nostalgia (and danger) of undeveloped disposable cameras
• [20:14] — The Zaun Segment: “Can he make a fucking point?”
• [22:26] — Zaun on pride, devotion, and relationships
• [26:40 - 27:11] — “Little seeds of appreciation”—Zaun’s relationship complexity
• [35:53] — The “Thrusting, penetrating nature of man” thesis
• [41:34] — Advice: “Don’t fight the media, just go around it.”
• [42:16] — Zaun, masculinity, and the sin of suppressing male “danger”
• [49:01] — Aristotle, “statements of truth,” and comic exaggerations
• [51:11] — Hosts’ rare moment of agreement: “Just talk to women like people”

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Language & Tone

• The episode is full of sarcastic banter, relentless riffing, and playful absurdism as the hosts swing between making fun of gender tropes, mocking Zaun’s incoherence, and detouring into real-life grievances and Gen X nostalgia.
• Constant self-deprecation—“650 pointless episodes” (22:33, Bryan)—and comedic derailing signal the show’s improvisational, self-aware style.

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Conclusion: For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode of The Commercial Break encapsulates the show’s chaos, wit, and meta-commentary. While ostensibly about Zaun’s “pickup artist” advice and the “thrusting nature of man,” the real entertainment is the hosts’ running commentary: lampooning men’s conferences, poking fun at tech blunders, and finding universal comedy in the awkward truths and absurdities of modern relationships.

Recommended if you enjoy:

• Roasts of self-proclaimed “gurus”
• Humorous cultural critiques
• Gen X/Millennial life upgrades and regressions
• Tangents that sometimes actually return to the main topic

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Quote to sum up the episode:
“Can he make a point? That’s the goal for episode number two with John Zaun — is can he make a fucking point?” (20:14, Bryan)

Did he?
Sort of... but as always, it’s the journey (and the jokes) that matter most on TCB.

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Transcript

[Chrissy]

As a librarian, I get frustrated and angry when I don't have the resources I need to help people find the information they want. Well, I never in all my life.

[Brian Green]

Ma', am. Ma', Am.

[Chrissy]

I came in here to find out something about this surgery my doctor wants to do on my heart. Well, I know you're upset and you're scared about this angioplasty procedure, but we just don't seem to have anything on clogged arteries and balloon surgeries. I'm sorry.

[Brian Green]

On this episode of the commercial break, the Washington Monument thrusting nature of man. The Eiffel Tower thrusting, penetrating nature of man. The space station. Basically a big penis. A big hearty, wrecked penis in the space guy. The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Guys and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Kristen Joy Odley. Best of you, Chris. Bestie you, Brian, and bestie you out there in the podcast universe. How the hell are you? Thanks for joining us. Here we are. I wanted to say this really quickly. Pretty soon you're gonna hear the stage second coming of, of, of John Z. And of Reggie Watts here on the commercial break. Oh, right. And so he just announced, just like today, he just announced that he'll be going on tour next year. Fairly extensive tour. I think it's like 16, 18 cities, something like that. So if you get a chance, go check out Reggie. Tickets are available now. We love Reggie.

[Chrissy]

He's so interesting.

[Brian Green]

He's so interesting. If you want to see an interesting comedy show, like, you know, not the, you know, callback response, punchline set up punchline. There are some, that, some comedians out there who are doing this really well, just being unique. And Reggie is the uniqueest of the uniques. I think in my opinion, doing it right now, it'll be music, it'll be comedy, it'll be shenanigans. Reggie Watts tickets are on sale. So go check it out and then you'll hear his second interview with us. Maybe, maybe next week or maybe you already heard it this week. I don't know, who knows because we are recording in bundles so that we can take some time off. Chrissy's going to mempho am getting surgery. So we're going to be taking some time off. I'm going to be getting that hyperpar thyroid taken out. Chrissy. Yeah. Did I tell you that, that they sent me a link to the video?

[Chrissy]

Yes, I did. Yeah. And you said you shouldn't have watched.

[Brian Green]

I Should not have watched that video. Should not have watched that video. Because now I go to sleep. I'd like right before I go to sleep, you know, like that little phase where you're, like, in and out of it a little bit. All I can see is my neck being slid.

[Chrissy]

Right.

[Brian Green]

And it doesn't feel good. That's not. That's not a feeling anybody wants.

[Chrissy]

No.

[Brian Green]

But, I mean, the good news is.

[Chrissy]

The best of care.

[Brian Green]

I am in the best of hands. Yes. Literally, Astrid will be doing this with sterilized silverware. So it's going to be. It's going to be for the whole family.

[Chrissy]

It's a whole family affair.

[Brian Green]

It's a whole family affair. That's what it is.

[Chrissy]

Scalpel.

[Brian Green]

Knife. I started watching spatula. Spatula. I don't like. Anyway, I don't want to get into it because this is going to speed me up. Tongs, thongs, Hand me that T shirt. He's bleeding. Stuff it in there. I started watching Shogun and.

[Chrissy]

Which is amazing. I love that show.

[Brian Green]

Did you watch it?

[Chrissy]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You did? Okay. I'm, like, through the most of the first episode.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

It's not necessarily my thing. I don't love period pieces. It's not my thing. But I do have to say I'm impressed. So far it's been interesting.

[Chrissy]

It took me a little while to, like, really get into, like, go through the first two show. Two.

[Brian Green]

Two episodes I'm in now, like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go.

[Chrissy]

You want just more, More, More?

[Brian Green]

Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do it. And there's what, 10 episodes altogether?

[Chrissy]

Great story to it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Oh, it's like, it's. It just takes a while to get into the characters.

[Chrissy]

They kind of give you a lot of back story to start with, I think. But then the story itself starts to come together.

[Brian Green]

I will have to say, if we're going to do a period piece, Japan in the 1400s through 1600s is a cool period to. To look at because it's just. They just. It's so different from our culture and. Yeah, absolutely. Like, in the first episode, I mean, I don't think I'm giving too much away here, but in the first episode, the one guy speaks out of turn and then they kill his child or he offers to kill his child because he spoke on a turn.

[Chrissy]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And it's like, how fucked up is that? I mean, just absolutely fucked up. And there's some cuckolding in the first episode, which, you know, I like a good cuckold so there you go. Yeah. If I'm going to cuckold, let it be on tv. That's all I got to say. And so Shogun. Very interesting. And I'll keep you posted on. On what's going on because we got to talk about it now. And I'm the last person to watch it, just like I'll be the very last person to ever to watch the bear because Astrid and I have agreed to watch it together, which means that'll never happen.

[Chrissy]

I know. Jeff and I have a couple. Those are we. We don't watch without the other one. And they've been on hold now for a while.

[Brian Green]

It's hard. It's hard because, you know, the stupid. Here's why it. Pretty much all of my nights are taken up right now is because we keep our data here on a hard drive. What would probably be more aptly referred to as a server. It's got a lot of space and capacity.

[Chrissy]

It's our own personal cloud.

[Brian Green]

It's our own personal cloud. It's got. I have it right here in my house. And it's expensive, and it's expensive to house data. And so I got these guys up at this computer store. I'll give them a shout out. Peachtree Computers, if you're. If you're anywhere near the area. I think they have a couple locations in Atlanta. So I take my. I go up there like the novice idiot dum dum that I always am. And I'm running out of space on the one server that's got 18 terabytes worth of information. We've been in the show for a long time. We have a lot of episodes. We keep everything. Why? I don't know. Because I'm hoarding it like Dick Tracy stuff, hoping that it'll be worth something someday, but probably not. I'm probably just keeping way too much of this. But anyway, I go up there and I go, hey, hey, you, smart guy. I got this thing and it's, you know, it's running out of space and I got a. I got a new one that's got more space and how do I do it? And he's taking me through all these words that I don't know. And I'm just. I'm nodding my head as if I know exactly what's going on. He's like, you got to use that. You can use the HDD or the std and then you get the hard drive and then you're going to do a hot swap and get my son hot swap to me. And I was like, hot swap? Yeah, hot swap. And then he was like, you know, I, I don't know. We've done Raid 5, Raid 6, Raid 2, HSD, CSD, DDD, you know, got your ports, right? Make sure Your port is 55001, not 6281. You know, all this other stuff. Hyper backup. Make sure you do the hyper. And I'm like, okay, okay. I'm like typing things down. And I'm like, great, thank you. And he goes, because if I do it, I'm gonna just charge you for my time. And this is going to take a lot of time. You got 18 terabytes worth of information. It's probably going to take a couple days. And I was like, oh, a couple days? Okay, all right, I'll pay for your time. He's like, listen, you can do this. It's really easy. You, you literally have a program that comes with that server that makes it like, idiot proof you're going to be able to do it. And I was like, okay. So I come in here, I set it all up. I'm actually putting hard drives into the server. I don't know really what I'm doing, but I'm just following the instructions. And then I plug it in and I turn it on and it zips up and it goes, oh, yeah, do you want to do this? Sure, yeah. Next step, next step, next step. And then I start getting into some of the more complicated things, but I refer to my notes and I'm like, okay, I got it. Perfect. And I keep on thinking to myself, I keep on hearing what he said. Couple of days. It'll take a couple of days to move that proof. Couple of days, idiot proof. Couple of days. You can do it. And I'm like, I got this, Brian. I'm patting myself on the back. I'm like, you got this. Look, you set it up, it's running. It actually you turned on. There's a page where you have information like, this is great, Chrissy. I am now on day number 13 of moving the data from one to the other because the hot swap, Hot swap. I forgot about the hot swap part. And so I'm now transferring file by file from one server over to the other.

[Chrissy]

File by file. Oh, God.

[Brian Green]

I called him, I said, I didn't do it, dude. I, I, Something's gone wrong. I tried to put it, I did the thing and that you told me to do, and, and he's like, did you do the hot swap? And I'm like, no, I didn't do. I forgot about that swap. It didn't tell me to do the hot swap. And he's like, oh, oh, yeah, that's a whole different animal now. Well, you got to do this and do that. And he walked me through.

[Chrissy]

So you're in it now. You can't go back. And I can swap.

[Brian Green]

I can hot swap now. If I hot swap, it's going to be 13 more days just to get to a point where I can hot swap. I got to now erase all the data and then make sure it's on the journey now. Yeah, yeah, but the thing that he told me that was really smart and I probably should have done years ago, is he's like, listen, go to this website and start backing up all your data onto a separate cloud because these things break and if it breaks, you're going to be very sad that you can't get at that information. And I'm like, okay. And he's like, make sure you do raid 6.7.35 so that if one works, it doesn't, the other one crashes and then you have one that works. And I'm like, okay, whatever. So he's walking me through this and so I say on the guy, I go, I do, dude, just let me kind of bring it up there and can you like, just make it go? And he's like, no, I can't make it go. You've. You've done something you can't undo now. And then I think, I think I'm smarter than him. So I go, listen, what if I. What if I do this? I have 60 terabytes on this new server, this new NAS. What if I was to, like, put the new information on there and then I erase the other hard drives and then I put them in there and then I've got this whole new pool of information I got off at like 80 terabytes that I can do whatever I want with. And he's like, it doesn't work that way. And I was like, you've been hearing.

[Chrissy]

That a couple of times.

[Brian Green]

He keeps on saying this to me. He goes, I. And he's so nice about it. He's like, I hear you, but it doesn't work that way. He's like, it's not. It doesn't work the way you think about it. This is not like, you know, your pool where you just, you know, oh, water, water out. Drop this in, drop that in, hope it works out, come back a couple of days later. It has put more stuff in, take more stuff out. I'VE been trying so hard to get this right, and I just fucked it all up. Now the good news is the information's there because I smartly backed it up like he told me to. But, you know, it's just a whole complicated, confusing mess. I'm not built for this kind of stuff. Like, I know about trolling on the Internet. I can Google. That's what I. I'm good at, that I can flip my finger up and down on the toilet a couple times in a day. What I'm not built for is like, SSDs and HDDs and hard drives and SATA and RADA and RAID 5 and HD1 and all this. It's all very complicated to me anyway. And I don't understand why. Why it can't work more common, senselessly. Like, if I have 80 terabytes of information, shouldn't I be able to use all or 80 terabytes of space? Of hard drive space? Shouldn't I be able to use all 80 terabytes? Nay, nay, says the guy at the computer store. He says, you have to do RAID six because if you do raid. I don't know what RAID six is. Why can't I do RAID one? He says, because then if. If one of the drives breaks, then you're fucked. So you have to pool all your information together, use RAID 6, and it keeps copies on the other ones. And I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. Why. Why just. Why not just keep it on one? What if it breaks? And I said, what if I got a backup on the cloud out there? He goes, yeah, but then, Then, you know, what if the. What if the backup on the cloud doesn't work? And I'm like, we're. We're asking about a lot of hypothetical scenarios that all sound very terrible happening at the exact same day. Like, can't we just pretend like everything's going to work out? He's like, I have a feeling you've been pretending a lot of things are going to work out. I was like, it's kind of a pattern in my life.

[John Zaun]

Yes.

[Chrissy]

Feeling you've been pretending.

[Brian Green]

Hot swap. Bitcoin. Bitcoin. Oh, my gosh. So I honestly, I'm about as smart with servers as Trump is with Bitcoin. I go in and I say all these words and the guy's like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Right? We are literally talking two different languages. And that, that at that computer store, everyone's really nice. It's at Least the one I go to. It was a little, tiny little one. And they got a couple of used computers out front, you know, hard drives and stuff like that you could buy. And then they got a little desk and then they got a whole office area in the back, which just seems like just a bunch of college kids and 30 somethings back there, you know, eating Doritos.

[Chrissy]

Seems like it is.

[Brian Green]

That's what it is. That's what it is, right? It seems like if you know about this kind of stuff, that's a great job to have. You go there, hang out with your friends, look at other people's nudes, you know what I'm saying?

[Chrissy]

Right?

[Brian Green]

Look at other people's nudes. That's what you do, right?

[Chrissy]

It's like the old film, film developing.

[Brian Green]

Uhhuh. It's like those Geek Squad guys when they had Geek Squad, which I now think is whatever, Best Buy help or whatever it is.

[Chrissy]

Oh, they changed the name.

[Brian Green]

Maybe there's Geek Squad. I don't. I've been to a Best Buy in so many years, so much time. I mean, I go to branding that.

[Chrissy]

I think it's still Geek Squad.

[Brian Green]

Is it? And they'll come to your house and do like.

[Chrissy]

Yeah, they do.

[Brian Green]

We've used them, thank God for those people.

[Chrissy]

But we've used them to hook up our TVs and that kind of thing.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I've used to, I've used services. I don't know if it's been Geek Squad, but I've used services similar to Geek Squad to do. To do that stuff. I had a guy, well, he was like a studio pro, came in and helped us with this studio because I couldn't get any of it right. I had wires going everywhere and he kind of helped me. Well, now I got wires going everywhere again. It's been a good year since he's been here. So I. If you remember in the early days of like the iPhone, the iPhone wasn't the most reliable thing in the world. Oftentimes it could get stuck or the Wheel of Death or whatever. You know, it was a brand new technology. And so you'd have to bring it to the Geek Squad or Apple or whoever, and they say, oh, give me your password, leave it here. Right. And that was like, to me, that was the scariest thing in the world. Like, oh, he's gonna read all my text messages, he's gonna look at all my photographs. You're supposed to just Trust that the 22 year old kid who's gonna take your phone for the Next day is not gonna look at any of your more salacious shit. If I was. Yeah, Sensitive information. Take screenshots and send it to his friends. Like, if I was in that position, I'm sorry, but the curiosity got the cat. I'd be like, you know what I'm saying? I think. I think that's how a lot of these. What? Someone just got upset. I said, curiosity got the cat, and it sounded like a cat was dying. Maybe that's. That's one of my daughters calling back, but do you know what I'm saying? Like, when you leave that stuff, you leave your computer.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Chrissy]

There's a little sense of like, okay, well, it is what it is.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, it is what it is.

[Chrissy]

You're either getting it fixed or not.

[Brian Green]

I'm gonna have to trust that there's.

[Chrissy]

The pain of it not being fixed. Overweighs the sensitivity.

[Brian Green]

Yes. I'm gonna have to trust that there's some scent, that there's some special oath that they take. I shall not look at nudes from someone else's phone. You know, kind of like jurisprudence or something like that. Something out there in the Hippocratic oath that they take for the geek squad. Like, the geek squad. Oh, it's like, I shall not look at nudes. But you know, they do. You know they do. They must. I mean, come on, they're just human. It's just like those photo developers.

[Chrissy]

That's what I was saying. Like the old film developer.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, you leave it at you. Jesus, those film developer guys. I actually knew somebody. I worked at a. At a restaurant, and there was an older lady that worked there, and she was a film developer.

[Chrissy]

She was probably 30.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, yeah, I said old. She was 32. But she was alive during film development.

[Chrissy]

Right.

[Brian Green]

You know, she worked at one of those, like, little shacks. You would, you know, Kodak. I remember whatever it was. And she told me, she's like, oh, yeah. I mean, you had to look at the pictures because you printed them out. In some cases, you developed them, you would actually put them in the solution, do it yourself, depending on where you work. She's like, you could not look at them. And she. She told me there was all kind of. All kind of. And she was like, but we did have a code of ethics. That code of ethics was if you saw something like a murder.

[Chrissy]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You'd have to call the. You'd have to call, you know, your higher up, your manager, whatever. There had to be a decision making process going. And I'm like, yeah, I guess so. You Know, I wish. I wish we still had those developing places. I don't know why. It just always made me feel good when I drove by one of those little Kodak shacks. I still remember the last Kodak shack I ever went to.

[Chrissy]

Oh, wow.

[Brian Green]

In San Diego.

[Chrissy]

I like the anticipation. Kind of like you dropped it off and.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chrissy]

You hoped you'd taken some good ones and you get them back.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. They could be funny, those little disposable cameras that. What do you do now? I mean, I'm sure there must be play. Like, you can go to CVS and get photos to live it.

[Chrissy]

Yeah. I mean, I know for a while that was what people were doing at weddings too.

[Brian Green]

We did it.

[Chrissy]

Yeah, you did.

[Brian Green]

We still have those cameras. We've never had them developed. We should do that. Honestly, that's.

[Chrissy]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

I actually.

[Chrissy]

10 years ago.

[Brian Green]

I know. And I actually still have five cameras that I don't know when they're from. I have no idea. But they are out of film. They're at 00 pictures available.

[Chrissy]

Yeah. Get it. Get it developed.

[Brian Green]

I should. Well, I'm afraid now that I'm married, about getting those developed, that you know what's really on those photographs, at least.

[Chrissy]

The ones from the wedding.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. One time I. One time. You'll know who. I'm not gonna say the name out loud, but someone was living with me, and they found some of these cameras that I had because I just had a habit of, like, I had the disposable cameras, and then I'd throw them, and I never, never go get them developed. It was. I don't know why I just didn't.

[Chrissy]

You just would drive by the shack? Not actually.

[Brian Green]

Yes, yes, yes. I was like, well, I took the picture. I don't need to look at it again. I was there, and the girl that I was living with, dating for a very short period of time, she actually found two of them in a drawer when she was cleaning out, and she took them and got them developed, and she did not like what was on those. What was on those. And I never remembered the. I never remembered the night I took those. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Give me those photographs.

[Chrissy]

Thanks for getting them.

[Brian Green]

Don't you have to go somewhere? I'll be in the bathroom. All right. I don't know how we got on this topic, but anyway, John Zon is one of our newest, favorite pickup artists at the 21 convention. Last episode, we got through some of his rambling, and he's a benevolent patriarch He's a benevolent patriarch.

[Chrissy]

Godfather, if you will.

[Brian Green]

The godfather of the seduction community.

[Chrissy]

A rocking chair enthusiast.

[Brian Green]

He loves to get a rocking chair and who does it.

[Chrissy]

I know, right?

[Brian Green]

But anyway, so we were going through. We just got through 20 minutes of his video. We didn't understand a fucking word the guy was saying. So why not go through another 20 minutes so we can be more confused.

[Chrissy]

Let's just see if he's got something of note.

[Brian Green]

Let's see if this heads in a direction. Let's see. He. He told us he wasn't prepared. He told us right at the beginning. I didn't prepare anything. Never prepared anything. Have no PowerPoint, never prepared a speech. Let's see if he can pull it all together. Now I'm rooting for Zaun. Can he make a point? It's the question one that we understand. Can he make a point? And I don't mean like in the basket. I mean can he actually make.

[Chrissy]

Well, so far he has told us how much he loves his daughter, his daughter and his girlfriend. And he married his niece. And he. The beloved missing. Saying the beloved. He says they're calling each other.

[Brian Green]

There's no good news right now that you can find on earth except for people calling each other beloved. What? Or date night. So. So let's.

[Chrissy]

He's not actually saying how you get to your beloved.

[Brian Green]

He's. Yeah, it's all confusing. Go listen to the other episode if you really. Can he make a point? That's. That's goal for episode number two with John's on is can he make a fucking point? We'll find out after these messages.

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[Brian Green]

All right, John's on 21 convention. 202022 or 2023? We don't really know. We don't really care. Empty Ramada in conference room in central Florida with fancy camera work, though. I will give them that. They bumped their game.

[Chrissy]

They pay for that.

[Brian Green]

Can you see, or is that in the way?

[Chrissy]

No, that is in the way.

[Brian Green]

That is in the way. All right. Can you reach it? Because with these headphones. Sorry. I blocked Chrissy's view of John's on, and you got to. You got to get the full effect.

[Chrissy]

I do.

[Brian Green]

All right. So. Okay. So let's get back into it. I don't know where we left off. We'll figure it out together.

[John Zaun]

But I'll talk to men. I'm talking to men, so I'll say it from this perspective, but it's. It's. It's both ways. If you want devotion, which is another word we don't use, because you want devotion, you want to be devoted and adore your girl, and you want her to do the same thing, too. Because I'll tell you this. If your wife or your girlfriend.

[Brian Green]

I'll tell you this. I smack the shit out of anyone who's not devoted to me. Anyone who doesn't use proper old English around me.

[Chrissy]

I know.

[John Zaun]

Not proud of who you are as a man. What's the point?

[Brian Green]

I think he almost made a point with that point. If you're not proud of who you are as a man, what's the point? What does that have to do with devotion? Where is he going with it? Honestly, think about that last sentence. Let's listen to John's Auto. I'm a big fan of, like, making sure that you. There's a point. As you can tell by 650 pointless episodes of the commercial break, voted and.

[John Zaun]

Adore your girl, and you want her to do the same thing, too. Because I'll tell you this. If your wife or your girlfriend is not proud of who you are as a man, what's the point?

[Brian Green]

What in the world do those two things have to do with each other?

[Chrissy]

Maybe devotion. She'll be devoted.

[Brian Green]

Being devoted has nothing to do with being proud. I'm devoted. Astrid's devoted to me. And she is far from proud of anything that I do.

[John Zaun]

If you're at a party and you're standing here talking to the guys and she's over there and you glance over at her and you think, yeah, that's my girl. I'm proud of who she is as a person. I'm glad that I know her.

[Brian Green]

I'm glad that I know my wife. I'm glad that I know the woman I've been sleeping with for the last time. Yeah.

[Chrissy]

While you're at a party.

[Brian Green]

Barbara, come here.

[Chrissy]

When you take a moment to yourself, you sneak into a corner.

[Brian Green]

That's how I feel.

[Chrissy]

Across the room.

[Brian Green]

I know you did that. Yeah. That's what I do with anybody I know. I go, I'm proud of you. Devoted to you.

[Chrissy]

Glad I know you.

[Brian Green]

Can I have your phone number again? I lost it in the last transition with iPhones.

[John Zaun]

And she's thinking the same thing. If she's not really on your side, your best supporter, your best cheerleader, and she wants you to succeed. And your business is failing, and she's there with you. If you don't have that. That. That devotion.

[Brian Green]

I think he's pointing out some things that have happened in his own life. When your business is failing, when the chips are down, when you're not getting any new, you want your girl to be next to you.

[John Zaun]

She's proud of who you are and what you're trying to do and what you're trying to become. What's the point? And how many relationships have that?

[Brian Green]

So blue. Swear to God on all that's holy, she has been on fire the last couple of days. On fire. As I get more sick from my parathyroid, she gets more crazy. I just. I can't take it anymore. Yeah.

[John Zaun]

How do you do it? It's up to you guys. Say, Wade. Just have to find the perfect girl. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Brian Green]

You don't need a girl to have a girl. I'm not. That's not right. You don't need to find a girl to have a girl.

[John Zaun]

It's. You set the tone. You set the tone. And it's simple. An example. All the. And I've watched this for years. I've been studying this, thinking about this for years. All the greats in history, let's say it that way. All the men who have these beautiful, adoring relationships with beautiful women that they love, you know what they do, they all have in common.

[Brian Green]

Who are all the greats in world history that have had loving, devoted wives.

[Chrissy]

Beautiful.

[Brian Green]

Beautiful with them for a long time.

[Chrissy]

They're the greats.

[Brian Green]

Jfk. Nope, not jfk. He cheated on Jackie. Oh, Genghis Khan. Nice. Up to whoever he wanted. Who else? Chrissy. Well, that's it. That's all I could think of. Truman. No, not so great with the ladies.

[Chrissy]

Jimmy Carter.

[Brian Green]

Jimmy Carter.

[Chrissy]

Happy birthday to him, by the way. Yesterday on the 1st.

[Brian Green]

Well, as we're recording, seven weeks ago.

[Chrissy]

100 years old.

[Brian Green]

He looks like he's 100 years old. I saw him being rolled out to his lawn to watch the airplanes go by. And his. I just never want to be 100.

[Chrissy]

I know.

[Brian Green]

I know. But he was. He. He has become a great man. His presidency. A lot of people did. I don't think it was great.

[Chrissy]

And a love story looks like it was there for those two.

[Brian Green]

Yes. Ros Rosyn and Jimmy. There you go. One, one. There you go.

[John Zaun]

They gave little seeds of appreciation every single day to her. Not giant compliments, not a bouquet of roses, not hot air balloons, but a little jizz.

[Brian Green]

Just a little. Couple Little spermies and a coffee in the morning. Let her know you love her.

[John Zaun]

No big gestures. They're on their computer, and she's walking by with a load of laundry or whatever.

[Brian Green]

A load of laundry or whatever. He caught himself there. Or whatever.

[Chrissy]

Yeah, a load of laundry. That's why you just grab her ass.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, you just grab her ass and say, you're getting fat, hon. Love you. Have you put on five? Talk to you later. I'm busy. Don't talk to me. Go do the laundry.

[Chrissy]

Go back to the laundry.

[John Zaun]

And he looks up and he says, my sweetie, I just want to take a look at you. That's all I have to say. And he goes back to playing I'm.

[Chrissy]

Gonna remember you carrying that laundry bag.

[Brian Green]

And he goes back to playing Call of Duty is what he just understand, my love. I just want to take a look.

[Chrissy]

At you with that laundry basket in your head.

[Brian Green]

With that laundry basket in your head. I'm gonna go whack off to some extreme porn now and get back to playing Call of Duty because I don't have a job. Thanks for making all the money, honey. Sorry about the skid marks. Oh, my God.

[Chrissy]

Let's put a little Oxy clean.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, a little Oxy clean. I'll get that right out. I mean the literal. Right?

[John Zaun]

Little seeds of appreciation. And if you. And if you're.

[Brian Green]

They don't have a girlfriend. They don't have girlfriends. That's why they're here, dude. At least. Unless I totally misunderstand the concept of this particular convention with all these pickup artists. Oh, it is.

[Chrissy]

It's a pickup artist, pickup artist convention. It's the manosphere.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah.

[John Zaun]

Interested in what she's trying to do with her career, her life. And you want to know when you visit her? Let's visit. I want to know. Tell me, even if you don't understand it.

[Brian Green]

I don't really care, but let's visit while I'm playing Call of Duty. You talk incessantly at my ear.

[Chrissy]

Tell me about what you're doing to make money.

[Brian Green]

I'll be on my headset while you tell me about how we're making all this money. I need a new joystick for my Call of Duty.

[Chrissy]

I can't believe he set up while you go back to playing Call of Duty.

[John Zaun]

Oh, my girl's an architect. She does these incredible designs and she works on autocast. So I'm looking over her shoulder, like, what? I have no idea how you do that.

[Chrissy]

Let me get back to Call of Duty.

[Brian Green]

Let me get back to my Call of Duty. That's confusing. Let me get back to Call of Duty. That's like me at the computer store. Right? Well, that's confusing. Let me get back to napping. Thanks. You take care of it. I'll be napping. Talk to you later.

[John Zaun]

Interested? I spend a lot of time just. I just realized this. I spend a lot of time visiting my girl. We've been together 10 years and I visited. You want to visit? Okay. Have a glass of wine. Sit on the balcony. Just visit.

[Brian Green]

And she listens to me incessantly. Ramble. My beloved. My beloved, that is.

[Chrissy]

They've just been together for 10 years. Yeah. There's no marriage involved.

[Brian Green]

It doesn't sound like no.

[Chrissy]

At which that's fine.

[Brian Green]

I'd like to get in on this relationship for a day. Yeah. Just follow it around for it.

[Chrissy]

So far, the clues we've gotten is she does laundry and makes money as an architect while he plays Call of Duty. Speaks at pickup artist convention all around the world. In Romania. Yeah. Yeah, all around the world. But they were based out of Romania.

[Brian Green]

Huh? Well, I mean, listen, Romania is Romania.

[Podcast Announcer]

Right?

[Chrissy]

Yeah.

[John Zaun]

Little seeds of appreciation. If she feels that you're. That she's seen by you. If she feels that she's seen by you, she'll follow you to the ends of the earth.

[Brian Green]

I don't think that's necessarily true. That you can just compliment somebody and then they're going to be hopelessly devoted.

[John Zaun]

To you, get caught up in her jobs and. Yeah, okay. I got this. My wife now. And it's. That's taken care of. So now I gotta concentrate over here. All you have to do is, like, see her every day. Anyway, that was kind of my speech.

[Brian Green]

Well, that was great. Onward and upward. But it goes on for another 30 minutes. How is that your speech? Oh, he's talking about his speech at the wedding that we started 12 minutes ago.

[John Zaun]

Wow.

[Brian Green]

Way to wrap it up, buddy. 12 minute meandering. I've heard some of our presidential candidates be more on point.

[John Zaun]

Not the thing. And I know that modern society is not constructed in that way. I know that the problem with marriage in the west is that the government.

[Brian Green]

Oh, now you know about the problem with marriage in the West. I love when people say that the philosophy in the East. Like you know about the philosophy in the east or the problems with the marriage in the West. Tell me more. Zaun. John.

[John Zaun]

It puts a layer of. Of something over it that makes it a little weight, a little dicey for me. I get that.

[Chrissy]

What?

[Brian Green]

What in the layer of.

[Chrissy]

There's a layer of the.

[Brian Green]

There's a layer of something. He can't put his finger on it, but it's all over the west, sticking to me like the algae on Brian's pool.

[Chrissy]

That's the problem with marriage.

[Brian Green]

That's right.

[John Zaun]

But if you have this concept of the beloved and you retain that in your heart, all those things are protected against, you know.

[Chrissy]

No, with the layer, the.

[Brian Green]

If you Something. If you just say the word beloved, then you get rid of the something that is sticking all over the West. Okay, got it. Ten foot.

[John Zaun]

There's a conviction in men that's missing today. I was talking to the guys yesterday at the table and they said, you know, the testosterone in men is way less than it was 50 years ago.

[Brian Green]

What? Testosterone in men is way less. I mean, that might be scientifically true, or the average might be down, but what does that have to do. You promised us that you would tell us the one good thing.

[Chrissy]

Yeah, the one message.

[Brian Green]

The one good message that's being delivered in society today. And so far, you've delivered. Delivered a lot of words, but no messages, really.

[John Zaun]

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. When I talk to guys, I say, hey, you're horny guy. Let's go. Maybe they're not.

[Brian Green]

Hey, horny guys, suck me off.

[Chrissy]

Wild and horny guy.

[Brian Green]

Hey, you're a horny guy. I got Nameus. Let's get at it.

[Chrissy]

I got a couple holes barking up the wrong tree.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, maybe I've been barking up the wrong. Maybe I've been licking on the wrong because I am.

[John Zaun]

You know, the. The feeling of that. I think your sexual energy, your desire to bend the world over is God given.

[Brian Green]

Your desire to bend the world over. If you got a softy in your brain, you're gonna have a softy in your pants. You know what I'm saying?

[Chrissy]

In the world over.

[Brian Green]

In the world over. All right. That's one way to put it. That's one way to put it, I suppose.

[John Zaun]

But that's who we are. That's our masculine edge, as we call it. What's missing? And I'm thinking, wow, they don't you feel the same thing as me? The guys say to me in coaching.

[Brian Green]

They say, so how I can't believe with those cargo pants.

[Chrissy]

The round table.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chrissy]

Breakout session.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, the breakout session. Did you hear that the mental sauce was down by 50 over the last 50 years? You mean you don't want to bend the world over? Maybe I'm a licking on the wrong nuts, but I. Oh, that's my masculine edge. By Menon I thought my masculine Edwards Dracar Noir.

[John Zaun]

Become more of a sexual creature.

[Brian Green]

I always thought his masculine edge was those cargo pants. Yeah, clearly filled with. Clearly every pocket filled with something.

[John Zaun]

You watch porn all day. Don't tell me you're not a sexual creature. It's just that you hide it from the world. You're afraid. Toxic. It's toxic. Shame. Shame, Shame. Shame on you.

[Chrissy]

God.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You should be out taking that pornographic aggression out on the world. Exactly.

[John Zaun]

Right. If you think about.

[Brian Green]

Right, right.

[John Zaun]

Anything that's been created in history, it's this thrusting, penetrating nature of man.

[Brian Green]

The Washington Monument, thrusting nature of man. The Eiffel Tower, Thrusting, penetrating nature of man. The space station. Basically a big penis. A big hearty, wrecked penis in the.

[John Zaun]

Space sky that created all the cities. That's what our civilization is based upon. And it's a beautiful.

[Brian Green]

The thrusting nature of men.

[Chrissy]

That cities were built on it.

[Brian Green]

You see a bunch of construction workers boning each other while they're building the Empire State Building. Dink, dink, dink, clack, clack. Hey, let's take a break. It's time to cut off a five. Get your dick, suck it in. Let's smoke a fag and have a dick sucking. What do you say?

[John Zaun]

So do not listen. Do not listen to the media. Do the screeching voices that say, no, it's wrong, don't listen to it. In all these years I've been public speaking and writing, I wrote books.

[Brian Green]

The thrusting, penetrating nature of man.

[Chrissy]

They're saying. That's right. I thought he was saying that was what built cities.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, but now he's saying that that's what the media tells you. Oh, just last night I was listening to Brian Williams as he said, the thrusting, penetrating nature of.

[Chrissy]

Strikes.

[Brian Green]

Strikes again.

[Chrissy]

There's been an incident.

[Brian Green]

There's been a thrusting, penetrating incident.

[John Zaun]

The girl. Go to alabaster girl.com. get a copy outside. It and send it to you when I go back to me.

[Brian Green]

Let me take a drink of water.

[John Zaun]

In all these years, I've never. You've never heard me say anything about socialism.

[Chrissy]

That's true.

[Brian Green]

That is true. And all the years we've been covering.

[Chrissy]

You, he's never been saying anything?

[Brian Green]

Not a thing.

[John Zaun]

I've been talking about men and women for many years. I don't talk about feminism. I don't talk about pornography, gender fluidity wars, all these socials. I don't talk about them. I know they are impacting the daily life of men and women are constantly. I get it, I get it. But there's enough voices talking about those things. I was on a radio show one time in Montreal.

[Brian Green]

So let me talk about them for a minute.

[Chrissy]

Yeah.

[John Zaun]

And it was a woman's. She has a sex radio show. And at the end of it, she said, zan, I asked all my guests this, what's your. What is your. What is your.

[Brian Green]

Your.

[John Zaun]

Your concept? Or what do you think about this, the idea of pornography?

[Chrissy]

And I'm like, what do you think about pornography?

[John Zaun]

Radio silence. You can't have that. Right? I'm like, I don't have a response to that. And yes, I know.

[Brian Green]

Well, it's a frequent friend of mine. I have a frequent flyer program on pornext.com but I don't really have an opinion on it. It's not my opinion. I don't know. But I'm guessing that Zahn has some favorite porn site out there that he's burning up. That's just my two cents. All right, let's. We got to take a break because, you know, Chrissy, we got to pay the bills and we can't just listen to Zon.

[Chrissy]

He still hasn't gotten to the point. So we're still rooting for.

[Brian Green]

We're rooting for you on. We were hoping you're going to make a point. Maybe it's coming after these messages. We'll see. We'll be back.

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[Brian Green]

Okay, Zon, bring it home with a point. I know you got one in here.

[Chrissy]

The race is on.

[Brian Green]

Come on. Here you go. Radio show. Ask what pornography was. Go.

[Chrissy]

He didn't have an answer.

[Brian Green]

Give it to us.

[John Zaun]

That pornography is affecting our sense of the way we view our bodies, sense of intimacy. I get it, I get it. But I don't think on this.

[Brian Green]

I still watch it, but I don't have an opinion.

[John Zaun]

Social issues, what we do with Arsa Marauder. What I do is we run around it. Because you can't win if you walk into the swamp. Look at Dr. Jordan Peterson, bless his heart. He has a beautiful, kind, respectful, honorable message for young men. Take control of your, of your. Clean your own room. Start there. You clean your room. All these rooms are cleaned. And there's some sense of what are.

[Brian Green]

We talking about now? We're on the Jordan Peterson.

[John Zaun]

He comes back into the world. It's a good message for men, but he's trying to, to fight Medusa and is destroying his health. Can't win, guys.

[Chrissy]

Destroying him.

[Brian Green]

Why are we hurting him? Jordan hurt himself by fighting Medusa. Well, first of all, never fight Medusa. That's an eight headed snake, lady.

[Chrissy]

Oh yeah. You don't want to get, don't look in the eyes.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[John Zaun]

The media is too strong.

[Brian Green]

Right.

[John Zaun]

We're trying to battle against it. Nah, just go around it. Leave.

[Brian Green]

Nah, just ignore all the social issues. Get right to the pussy.

[John Zaun]

The screeching voices behind. Don't pay them any heed. Go around them. The Bible says whatsoever things are lovely. Think of these things.

[Chrissy]

Just because you got ordained on the Internet.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. It doesn't mean you can go throwing.

[Chrissy]

Around Bible verses and bless you by.

[Brian Green]

Child like you're the archbishop of Romania. Come on, man. You'd have us believe that you could step foot in a church without setting on fire.

[John Zaun]

And I, and I, I, I, I implore you to do that because it's upon you to go into the, into your communities, into your relationships, into your life as that man who's life giving. The idea of, of life giving masculinity is toxic. That means is a sin.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, toxic masculinity might be a sin. I, I get it, I get the point. Right. But I think this is way over dramatized, Don. I think you are in fact making a social issue out of an issue that may not be an issue. And that's the problem is you're stoking a fire that may not need to be stoked. Yes. Men are men. We should be men. Women are women. They should be women. There are differences between the two. And there are lots of people who are fluid around that. And that's cool too. Right? There should. When we should all be allowed to be what we are. And you know, could you make an argument that sometimes little boys don't get the message that they.

[Chrissy]

Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian. Just go around it.

[John Zaun]

Ideas of sin, masculinity.

[Brian Green]

I was going to get there.

[Chrissy]

Becoming one.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, we're becoming one. I'm telling that. I'm doing the setup. And now you're doing the punchline.

[John Zaun]

It's absent. There's a danger in the heart of man, which is your thrusting. Desiring nature bend the world over. That's how I view it anyway. You have this nature. You have this. This. This power to destroy this. The guys are talking about it this weekend. This beautiful anger that's used as a tool as opposed to lose control. Anger's a beautiful tool.

[Brian Green]

Now we're on. Anger's a beautiful tool. We were devoted and then we're la la la la.

[Chrissy]

Rocking.

[Brian Green]

They are now angry. Beautiful too. Let's go out and use it by thrusting and penetrating everything we see. Stick your dicks and buildings. Lead with your dick, boys.

[John Zaun]

And we've been suppressing it all our lives. But anger's good. It's a beautiful tool to use.

[Brian Green]

Who's been suppressing it all their life? Because I go to the grocery store and people want to knock me over with a shopping cart because I'm alive. I don't know.

[John Zaun]

And the problem is this. Because we have this danger in our hearts which is a beautiful God given created way. We are the danger. The ability to defend and protect. And you know the metaphor I use is the caveman's outside the cave and his loved ones are inside. And he's fighting the saber tooth tiger with a stick. So. But he's going to fight.

[Brian Green]

We went from rocking chairs to weddings to devoted to date night. To the danger in hearts. To our thrusting penetrating nature of making all things that were ever created to now fighting saber tooth tigers.

[Chrissy]

My girl doing my laundry.

[Brian Green]

You have a girl doing her laundry. Grab her ass. Back to Call of Duty. And now when I'm at home fighting off the saber. Barbara. Barbara, get my spear. There's a saber tooth tiger outside of Romania.

[John Zaun]

Because his loved ones are there. Right? That. That spirit of danger. The. The ability and the desire to destroy something to protect. Okay? And the problem. The problem we have is when that Danger, which is inherent in us, in men, is turned inward toward the cave.

[Brian Green]

Oh, my God, Barbara, I'm going to kill you now.

[Chrissy]

Thanks for the spear.

[Brian Green]

Thanks for the spear. I'm going to throw it at you, but can you do my laundry first? Thanks, Barbara.

[John Zaun]

That's where you get relationship abuse, children, molestation, school shootings. This idea of the.

[Chrissy]

I mean, he's trying to address some things that are in the world, I guess, but what these people are at.

[Brian Green]

A pickup, at a pickup artist conference and he's trying to like teach them something. And I think there's like an ether of a pointer talking, addressing.

[Chrissy]

It's a wispy.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, it's a wispy smoky. It's like right after the Big Bang, everything was just kind of like floating out there, trying to get together molecules and atoms or something. I don't know. I heard it one time on a video. But we're not really coming together with a star right now. We're not putting enough matter together to get a star. He's trying to address the entire world, everything that's wrong with everything. Zahn is really a benevolent patriarch. Yeah. Self professed.

[John Zaun]

Because the anger is directed in and not out here. Lovingly out this way.

[Chrissy]

And we're protecting towards the saber.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Okay, so we're protecting and killing things outside our cave, but not inside our. I don't get the point. I'm not getting the metaphor.

[John Zaun]

So I'm a very. I'm much a champion for men and I have a lot of hope and have a lot of.

[Brian Green]

Wow.

[Chrissy]

I'm much a champion.

[Brian Green]

I'm a much a champion. I'm a much a champion.

[John Zaun]

Faith in men, which you'll never hear anywhere in this modern. In the modern age. I really believe in men. I think they're cool and I think they're. They're your masculine edge. Your desire, your. Your sexual nature, as I said, is divine. So do not listen to anybody that says anything else. Take it to heart. Understand it. Love it, love it.

[Brian Green]

Take it to heart. Beans, beans. The more you eat, the more you fart.

[Chrissy]

Bend the world over.

[Brian Green]

Bend the world over. Get them right in the Patucci.

[John Zaun]

Aristotle said.

[Chrissy]

Okay, maybe this.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, maybe this is a point. All right, we're going to give him one more chance here. One more chance. At least on this episode.

[John Zaun]

Start with first principles. What do you know to be true? That's as simple as it needs to be. I talk about conviction. Men do not have this concept of conviction anymore. What does that mean? A 22 year old guy Will say to me, well, I don't have conviction. I don't know yet. I don't even know what I want to do with my life. I don't have conviction. Yes, you do. You know what you know, you start with first principles. What do you know to be true? I know that I'm standing on the street. I like to thrust my friends.

[Brian Green]

I'm a thruster.

[Chrissy]

It seems like that's what he's saying.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. What if all the guys are just walking down the street, just thrusting like little, little platypuses? I embrace my thrustiness. All the time I'm in the shower, I'm just thrusting. I'm practicing my thrusts. I gotta get those thrusting muscles back in fighting order that my parathyroid took them down.

[John Zaun]

That's true. I know. I see a girl over there who's attractive to me. I like the way she looks. That's a statement of truth. And no one can say that's not true. I negate that. That's a statement of truth. I would like to meet her. I would like to meet her. I'm with my friends, but I would like to walk over there and say, hello, I'm Zan. I would like to meet her. That's a statement of truth. You know that to be true. You're convicted of these things.

[Brian Green]

So wait. The guy doesn't know what he wants to do for a living, but when he walks into a bar, Start with the statement of truth is, I would like to meet that girl. Okay. Yeah. I mean, this. That's true. To this particular person.

[Chrissy]

No one can say that. It's not.

[Brian Green]

No one could be convicted. Fake news.

[John Zaun]

The universal truths that you believe in your heart. You have conviction about these things. You can rest on that and say, at least. I know that. And all you have to do when you go and talk to the girl is speak these statements. Speak.

[Brian Green]

I'm standing on the street. I think you're attractive. I wanted to meet you. These are my truths.

[Chrissy]

These are my truths.

[Brian Green]

Okay, dude, thanks.

[Chrissy]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Just wanted to say my truth first. Three principles taught me Aristotle. Aristotle. His first album.

[John Zaun]

It's the truth. You know, I was over there with my friends and I saw you over here, David. Statement. And I had to come say hello.

[Brian Green]

Another statement, and I'm nervous.

[John Zaun]

That's a statement, too, but I had to come say hello. Anyway, what's your name? That's as simple as it is.

[Brian Green]

I guess that's better than getting into a fake argument with somebody.

[Chrissy]

That's very true.

[Brian Green]

Hey, listen, at 60 years old. Maybe Zahn did learn something. Yeah, if you just talk to a woman like a human being, then maybe they want to be with you.

[Chrissy]

I like this.

[Brian Green]

Okay, all right. Zahn's getting there. Zahn's getting there. Should we go for a third? He's moving into some territory sometimes that I'm like, ah, yeah, but I don't know, maybe we should give him a chance to wrap it up.

[Chrissy]

Maybe we should.

[Brian Green]

Maybe we should. Let's see. I'd take an audience vote but you're not here and we're not here. So you're not here, we're not here, Zahn's not here, we're all. That's a statement of truth, though. I didn't lie.

[Chrissy]

First principle.

[Brian Green]

First principle. Aristotle. Aristotle. Part two. Yeah, part two. Second album. I like his earlier stuff. That's my personal opinion. Alrighty. Alrighty. Alrighty. So everyone's settled down. Zahn's got us all in a flutter over here. DCBpodcast.com that's where you go. You find out more information about Chrissy and I. All the audio, all the video right there from one location. You can also get your free TCB sticker. Drop down menu on the contact us button says I want my free sticker. That's a statement of truth and no one can tell you otherwise. We pre populated it like Aristotle, give us your address. Which I also, I also hope is a statement of truth. Give us your address and then we'll send you you to anyone. That's interesting. We are going to be doing live shows next year giving you some a chance to recover. I appreciate everyone who is planning on going to the Florida shows that you've been so kind. Honestly, Chrissy, best listeners in the world. Not a negative word. Well, one guy said it may suck for everybody else that you're canceling the shows, but I like it because now I can go. And I was like all right, there you go. So kind of negative. But then it turned positive and I was like all right, good for you. So we'll, we'll announce those dates very soon. When we get back from our little break here, we'll be announcing those dates, I'm sure of it. Add the commercial break on Instagram, TCB podcast on tick tock and YouTube.com the commercial break. 212-433-3TCB 212-443-3822 and when we get back we'll respond questions, comments, concerns, concept, ideas, you know what we like. Send it on over and we'll get back to you just as soon as we can. Okay, Chrissy, that's all I can do for now.

[Chrissy]

I think so.

[Brian Green]

But I'll tell you that I love you.

[Podcast Announcer]

I love you.

[Brian Green]

I'll say best to you, best to you. Best you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time. Chrissy and I always say. We do say and we must say goodbye. Sam. I gotta get some cocaine. Time to be grading.