Love, Janessa | Episode 5: Bubba

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Love, Janessa | Episode 5: Bubba"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Con: Kaitlyn's Baby
• Episode: Love, Janessa | Episode 5: Bubba
• Host/Author: CBC + BBC World Service
• Release Date: February 20, 2023
• Description: In this six-part true crime series, Sarah Treleaven explores the intricate web of deception surrounding Kaitlyn Braun. Episode 5 delves into the enigmatic relationship between radio host Bubba the Love Sponge and Janessa Brazil, unraveling the complexities of catfishing schemes and the blurred lines between victimhood and culpability.

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Introduction: Setting the Stage

The episode opens with Hannah Ajala attempting to secure an interview with the controversial radio host, Bubba the Love Sponge. Known for his provocative content and tumultuous past, Bubba becomes a pivotal figure in understanding the mysterious disappearance and subsequent catfishing schemes involving Janessa Brazil.

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Bubba the Love Sponge: A Controversial Figure

Background and Career: Bubba the Love Sponge, born Todd Allen Clem in Warsaw, Indiana, has been a prominent figure in radio for over three decades. Starting his career in small-town radio, Bubba's provocative style eventually landed him in Tampa, Florida, where he became known for pushing boundaries.

Bubba the Love Sponge [05:22]: "I'll kind of give you an abbreviated version of it because I've been doing radio for 35 years. So, you know, I started radio as just a little radio guy in 1985 in a little town in Indiana."

His show, characterized by segments like "Redneck Mondays" and "Lesbian Tuesdays," garnered both loyal listeners and numerous complaints, leading to multiple fines from the Federal Communications Commission for airing indecent material.

Bubba the Love Sponge [06:20]: "Back in the day, Thursdays were no panties Thursday, and I asked my female listeners over 18 not to wear panties on those days and to put their panties on your antenna to show support of the show."

Personal Life and Scandals: Bubba's association with Hulk Hogan became a major scandal when a sex tape involving Hogan and Bubba's ex-wife surfaced, leading to a multi-million-dollar defamation lawsuit. This incident not only bankrupted Gorka Media but also cost Bubba his job, highlighting his tumultuous personal and professional life.

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The Connection with Janessa Brazil

Meeting Janessa: Bubba met Janessa Brazil (real name Vanessa) at Howard Stern Studios in New York. Impressed by her presence, he brought her onto his Tampa-based radio show, where she became a co-host for about a year.

Bubba the Love Sponge [10:30]: "I met Janessa in New York at Howard Stern Studios, and I just thought that, oh, my God, she's so stunning."

Janessa, affectionately nicknamed "J Dog" by Bubba, was instrumental in providing a female perspective to his predominantly male-skewed show. Their close friendship involved deep conversations about spirituality, personal struggles, and her desire to transition away from the adult entertainment industry.

Bubba the Love Sponge [15:26]: "She was a very close friend, you know, that I could have any type of conversation. And we spent many a dinner talking about spirituality and her parents and her mother and her trials and tribulations."

Janessa’s Disappearance and Catfishing Phenomenon: After leaving the show, Janessa seemingly vanished from the public eye. However, her images became rampant in catfishing schemes worldwide, leading to numerous men being scammed under the guise of her identity. Bubba received countless inquiries from victims seeking answers and restitution.

Bubba the Love Sponge [16:40]: "She has to be one of the most catfished images. Just because I get catfishing things weekly from men that think that her and I are still, you know, hanging out."

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Attempting to Reconnect with Janessa

Determined to uncover the truth, Hannah Ajala reaches out to Bubba for assistance in locating the real Vanessa. Bubba promises to facilitate contact, highlighting the deep bond he shares with her.

Bubba the Love Sponge [22:24]: "Oh, I'll get it done. Her and I are so very close. I'll make that contact today."

Despite initial setbacks with unresponsive emails and missed video calls, Vanessa eventually agrees to meet Hannah Ajala's team in person. The meeting unfolds with suspense, revealing Vanessa still entrenched in the adult entertainment industry, emphasizing the persistent challenges of combating online deception.

Bubba the Love Sponge [26:32]: "We are in my bedroom right now where the magic happens. And I mean where I make my money on webcam."

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Janessa's Dual Identity: Victim or Accomplice?

Bubba paints a nuanced picture of Vanessa, suggesting she is predominantly a victim of her images being exploited but also acknowledging her responsibility in their initial distribution.

Bubba the Love Sponge [20:24]: "Well, you know, I do see her as a victim, but, you know, she did take those pictures. She did have a very public website that leaned, you know, sexually."

This duality raises complex ethical questions about culpability and victimhood in the realm of online scams and image-based deceptions.

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Conclusion: Unraveling the Mystery

The episode concludes with unresolved tensions about Vanessa's true role in the catfishing schemes. While Bubba advocates for her victim status, the persistent use of her images in scams suggests a more complicated reality. Hannah Ajala's quest to uncover the truth highlights the intricate layers of identity, deception, and the pervasive impact of online fraud.

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Notable Quotes:

• Bubba the Love Sponge [14:01]: "She's got a pretty smile, but she's tough. You know, she's got her shit together and she's tough."

• Hannah Ajala [14:09]: "I now know she's a woman in the process of creating a new life. A woman with a complicated past, a woman with a dynamic personality and big ambitions."

• Bubba the Love Sponge [20:07]: "She had a very tough life growing up in Brazil...she kind of is very resilient."

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Final Thoughts:

"Love, Janessa | Episode 5: Bubba" offers a deep dive into the tangled relationships and moral ambiguities surrounding Janessa Brazil's involvement in widespread catfishing scams. Through candid conversations with Bubba the Love Sponge, the episode sheds light on the vulnerabilities and complexities of identity in the digital age, leaving listeners pondering the true nature of deception and the fine line between victim and perpetrator.

Transcript

[Matt Galloway]

It is a wild time in the world right now, and sometimes it's actually hard to figure out what's what. The Current is here to help. My name is Matt Galloway and we bring you conversations to expand your worldview solutions to some of the wicked problems of our time, like is Canada underreacting to Trump's takeover threats? And our phones rewiring our brains. We'll also bring you great stories you might never heard of before, including why are we suddenly obsessed with doppelgangers? The you can find the Current wherever you get your podcasts, including YouTube. I'll talk to you soon.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

A BBC World Service and CBC podcast production.

[Hannah Ajala]

Before we start, please note this series contains adult themes and strong language.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I'm an offensive person, so you have to know that going into this, please. I tell people, don't Google me. My name is Bubba the Love Sponge. And don't google me because it's not good foreign.

[Hannah Ajala]

I've been trying to reach Baba the Love Sponge for weeks and yes, I have searched him online. We've called dozens of numbers, sent emails and messages to every account we could find, and spent hours watching episodes of Bubba's controversial talk show online. And now here he is on a video call with my producers and me.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Hi everybody. How are you?

[Hannah Ajala]

There's a lot riding on this interview with Bubba. How's it going?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

It's going great. I had the day off today, so I kind of slept in, so I probably sounded a little groggy.

[Hannah Ajala]

We really appreciate your time because this has been something that I've been working on since last year. And what a story.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

And you guys don't even know half of it. Like I lived with Janessa, the Janessa Brazil. I have hundreds of these stories.

[Hannah Ajala]

He lived through some of the scammer drama with her and tried to expose the fake relationships live on air, one scorned lover at a time. While Janessa seems to have left morning radio behind, given their history, I'm pretty sure Bubba will know where she's landed. The radio host, known for his provocative content has a wide smile. He's holding his phone close to his face, so his flat brimmed cap takes up most of the screen.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I hope I can add some insight for you guys.

[Hannah Ajala]

Bubba was in the news a lot a few years ago because of his association with Hulk Hogan, a retired professional wrestler. Bubba considered Hogan his best friend. But then came a sex tape featuring Hogan and Bubba's now ex wife. The tape was recorded at Bubba's home, stolen from his office, and made public by Gorka a wildly popular gossip site. Hogan ended up winning a multi million dollar defamation lawsuit. Gorka Media was bankrupted. And while the lawsuit was going on, Bubba lost his job. So if anyone knows what it's like to have personal images get away from you, it might be Bubba. He holds the key to unlocking the mystery of Janessa Brazil, at least for me. Baba and Janessa were roommates a few years back when she lived in Florida and co hosted his daily radio show. It was one of those episodes that reignited my search for Janessa and led me here today. From CBC Podcasts and the BBC World Service. My name is Hannah Ajala and this is Love, Janessa. The story of my wild quest to find the woman whose face and body is the bait used in catfishing schemes around the world. Episode 5 Bubba I'm not sure where Bubba has taken the call. The room is dark with a bank of red lights behind him. But that question can wait. I want to dive right in. I start to ask my next question, but he's gone. Bubba's just dropped. After a few tense moments, Bub is back and hasn't missed a beat.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Okay, there I am.

[Hannah Ajala]

Whew. Okay.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I love your accent, by the way. Are you from uk?

[Hannah Ajala]

Yes, born and raised in East London.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

When I hear a British accent, I love it. It's so refreshing from the standard stupid American accent I have to hear all the time.

[Hannah Ajala]

Yours has lots of character. I tuned into your show, actually, over the weekend. The subject area was really fascinating. It was about doing a number two, so that.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Yeah, so I say a lot of.

[Hannah Ajala]

Crazy stuff, and sometimes that gets him in trouble. Over the years, Bub has been fined by the Federal Communications Commission in the US Several times for airing indecent material. Could you give us an intro about what you do in your career?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Well, I'll kind of give you an abbreviated version of it because I've been doing radio for 35 years. So, you know, I started radio as just a little radio guy in 1985 in a little town in Indiana. And, you know, when you first start out, it's kind of like the minor league baseball system where you go from one small city to another small city, and then you eventually get a bigger city. And that's where you can kind of make bigger money and have a bigger audience and then come syndication and all that kind of stuff. And I eventually ended up in Tampa, Florida, in 92, and I was kind of the anchor of being the wildest guy on the radio. I had things like Redneck Mondays, where I made fun of rednecks. I had lesbian Tuesdays and I caught a lot of crap for that. But my argument back was, so you're mad at me because I am paying homage to lesbians. And that shut them all down.

[Hannah Ajala]

By now, you probably understand why Bubba warned me at the start of our interview. He likes to push boundaries. That's his brand. Really. We've left out some of the more eyebrow raising comments and haven't even made it through all the days of the week.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Back in the day, Thursdays were no panties Thursday, and I asked my female listeners over 18 not to wear panties on those days and to put their panties. And this was back in 92, 93, where cars still had antennas. So. So you would then put your panties on your antenna to show support of the show. So that was kind of how it's.

[Hannah Ajala]

Not hard to understand why Bubba attracts all kinds of attention. Over the decades, he's received many complaints, but he's also gained legions of fans who form the Bubba Army.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Oh, the Bubba army is like a religious cult. They do anything for me. My show is funded by my listeners, oddly enough. So, yes, I've been so fortunate to be able to establish somewhat of a global thumbprint, enough to be able to make, you know, a living on doing what I still love, which is radio.

[Hannah Ajala]

I'm going to get to my questions about Janessa in a minute, but first I want to know how Bubba the Love Sponge got his name. He was born Todd Allen Clem in Warsaw, Indiana.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Growing up, I've always kind of been a bigger kid. I played football and stuff, and I was always Bubba, Bubba Clem.

[Hannah Ajala]

When he started working in radio, a colleague noticed how much Bubba appreciated the attention of his female fans.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

So we were on the radio the next day and this radio guy was like, coming up next, Bubba Clem. But I saw him at a party a few nights ago and he was soaking up love like a Love Sponge. Well, it eventually stuck and I used it all my career and then I changed it legally because I ran politically. I ran for sheriff here in Tampa, but I wanted my name to appear as Bubba the Love Sponge on the ballot.

[Hannah Ajala]

Sheriff Love Sponge. He didn't win, but that would have been an interesting chapter.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

My driver's license and my passport and everything says Bubba the Love Sponge Clem. And people think I'm being a real smart ass. And when I got married, my wife was Mrs. Bubba the love Sponge Clem. I guess the Love Sponge is actually my middle name. But I just tell everybody I'm Bubba Clem.

[Hannah Ajala]

Partway through our interview, he suggests we take a tour of his studio. I can now see the lights in the background are part of a soundstage.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Can you see the stage back there?

[Hannah Ajala]

Oh, yes, I can.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I actually have a shower in my studio. Hold on, let me show you.

[Hannah Ajala]

Oh, wow. Okay. It's actually huge.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Yeah, it's a very big space. We have bands and stuff on the stage. You can't do some of the stuff I used to, you know.

[Hannah Ajala]

I decide not to ask him to elaborate about some of that stuff they used to do. I'm also keen to get to the reason for this call. To find out more about Janessa, let's just go back to the beginning. How did you meet Janessa Brazile?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I met Janessa in New York at Howard Stern Studios, and I just thought that, oh, my God, she's so stunning. She was not really a porn star. She had her own website, her members only website, and she was married at the time, but I found out that they lived in the Tampa area. So we got her information. Soon as we got back to Tampa, we had her on the show, and then she ended up kind of being a regular. You know, we'd have her on every few weeks. And so I have been friends with her since then. And there was a period of like, I think 20, 19. She actually lived with me. She was also a co host on my show for about a year.

[Hannah Ajala]

Bubba's affectionate nickname for her during that time was J Dog, and he confirmed that Janessa is in fact a stage.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Name, but her real name is Vanessa, and that's out. That's not like a secret or nothing.

[Hannah Ajala]

At this point, I'm reminded of both Simon and Roberto, the men we've talked to, who believed they had been in contact with the real Janessa Brazil. Both of them said the real Janessa's.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Name was Vanessa, but I knew her as Vanessa privately. You know, when she was on the air, she would be Janessa, and I'd always slip up. I'd either say one or the other. If we were in public, I would say, hey, Janessa, when I was supposed to say Vanessa, and then vice versa.

[Hannah Ajala]

On the air to someone that's never met her, like me, for example. How would you describe her personality?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I would say, beautifully sassy. But, you know, the expression that beautiful women have insecurities and issues, you know, certainly is appropriate and not weird or bad ones. It's just that sometimes she would get down on herself a little bit just because I don't think that she necessarily as she, as Janessa gets older, really wants to be in this space anymore. You know, I think she just turned 40, so I think she would like to distance herself from that life, so to speak.

[Hannah Ajala]

Maybe this explains why Janessa seemingly vanished a few years ago. Her digital footprint had become an archive of old posts and images. But according to Bubba, she was taking stock, preparing to shed her cam girl skin and start over.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I think her being on my show for a year was kind of a segue out of porn, but yet still in entertainment. She was literally just a co host, a woman's perspective on a man skewing show, which was refreshing. So it was a very sad day when she left, and, you know, I wish she was still here.

[Hannah Ajala]

So where did she go? And will Bubba be able to help me find her? Dr. Ruja promised to make the world rich.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

We create the world around this coin.

[Hannah Ajala]

Her company made billions from global investors. She called herself the Crypto Queen. And then she disappeared.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

How can this happen?

[Hannah Ajala]

Join me, Jamie Bartlett. As I search for Dr. Ruja and the truth about her company, OneCoin, kidnapping.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Killing, it starts to get very scary, very, very fast.

[Hannah Ajala]

The missing crypto Queen. Find it wherever you get your podcasts. Canadians have plenty of reasons to pay attention right now. But not everyone has a daily news habit.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

So if you're hoping to build one, we're here to make that really easy.

[Hannah Ajala]

I'm Marcia Young.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I'm John Northcott, and we host World report.

[Hannah Ajala]

Give us 10 minutes every morning, and we'll give you the biggest stories happening in Canada and around the globe.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Whether you're tracking wildfires, leadership races, or threats to our national sovereignty will help you understand what's going on. You can find and follow World Report.

[Hannah Ajala]

Wherever you get your podcasts. The more Bubba talks, the more I want to understand who Vanessa is and what her connection to the murky world of catfishing might be.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

She's got a pretty smile, but she's tough. You know, she's got her shit together and she's tough.

[Hannah Ajala]

I now know she's a woman in the process of creating a new life. A woman with a complicated past, a woman with a dynamic personality and big ambitions. Both Roberto and Simon thought they'd connected with a woman who'd lost her sense of self. But the more I learn, the less that sounds like the real Janessa. There are still pages missing in her story, like, why did she end up living with Bubba and co hosting his radio show?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

She was having issues with this boyfriend, and her and her husband got a divorce years ago. And so she was kind of on her own in Florida. Florida has always been Janessa's security blanket. She has established a ton of great friends down here. She lived here for, I think, well over 10 years. So Florida's kind of always been her bounce back. So she called me, and I obviously had some space and wasn't dating anybody at the time. And so I'm like, yeah, why don't you come live with me? We'll hang out and I'll try to incorporate you if I can on the show. So that's kind of how it went down.

[Hannah Ajala]

What kind of friends was she to you?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

She was a very close friend, you know, that I could have any type of conversation. And we spent many a dinner talking about spirituality and her parents and her mother and her trials and tribulations. And I knew a lot of her backstory. We became very, very close.

[Hannah Ajala]

I wondered if any of these dinner table conversations ever got onto the topic of the romance scammers using her image.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

From the day that I met her and started hanging out with her and her husband, you know, her husband would be like, oh, my God. I spend half my day answering emails from men who sent $600 to a person who is describing themselves as Janessa. And I have to assure them that, one, I'm not liable for that, and two, it's not us. I quickly found out that people would take her image and then just start portraying themselves as her for men to send her money. God, I just don't understand how gullible some of these men are.

[Hannah Ajala]

Bubba says he often receives letters and messages from men who have been scammed.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

She has to be one of the most catfished images. Just because I get catfishing things weekly from men that think that her and I are still, you know, hanging out, trying to say that I've been scammed by your friend and what are you going to do about it?

[Hannah Ajala]

He says victims and their lawyers come to him for answers, information, and sometimes for restitution.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

The one that I just got last week was an attorney from Is it Ghana? And it said, I know that you have connections to Janessa, and she has scammed my client out of like €180,000 or whatever.

[Hannah Ajala]

Ghana enters the narrative again, only this time, according to Baba, it's a Ghanaian lawyer reaching out to get more information about Janessa. His client has allegedly been scammed by people using her images, too. Saqawa boys are not part of this conversation. Just another angry letter asking for answers that won't be found. But many of the Writers are convinced Janessa is benefiting somehow. It reminds me of the woman who called into Bubba's radio show asking for help. Her husband had been reeled in by a fake Janessa.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

We had one guy from Canada call in, and he thought that he was talking to a woman that was Janessa. And Janessa's like, well, you're talking to me now. Like, this is me. They're like, oh, no, this isn't the woman. I'm talking to you. And they were telling me and Janessa that our Janessa was fake and that indeed we were being catfished. But meanwhile, I had the real one here with me. This whole catfishing world, I don't even think people can really wrap their head around it. You know, Janessa was just like, see, this is what, you know, I. I go through on a daily basis because at the end of the day, whether it's the disgruntled wife or the guy that is, you know, sent $3,000, if by chance they happen to get a hold of the real Janessa, they really are not happy with her. And in a lot of instances, they want their money back. She feels horrible about it. She hates it. She wishes that these images weren't out there and stuff. But, you know the expression they say when you put something on the Internet, it's up forever. You know, even if you delete it, it's. It's there.

[Hannah Ajala]

Despite all of the stress and negative attention, Bubba says Vanessa knows how to shield herself from drama. He thinks her resilience comes from experience.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

She had a very tough life growing up in Brazil, and, you know, I guess after the first hundred of these catfishing things, she kind of is very resilient. And for the people that do contact her, she's always super, you know, apologetic and stuff. But she's learned how to kind of compartmentalize, and she knows that that world's going to always exist. You know, even when she's 70, there'll be people using that image to shake down, you know, younger people.

[Hannah Ajala]

If it wasn't so depressing, it would be funny to think of scammers using pictures of janessa in her 20s years from now when she's a senior citizen. Considering how close you were to her as well, would you say that you genuinely see her as the victim?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Well, you know, I do see her as a victim, but, you know, she did take those pictures. She did have a very public website that leaned, you know, sexually. And she takes a little responsibility for those images being out there, if she was happy. Susie homemaker and didn't participate in the industry that she did, Perhaps this wouldn't be happening. But, I mean, I think she's like 90% the victim.

[Hannah Ajala]

I've had some victims blame Vanessa for putting her images out there in the first place. Others speculate she's the one pulling the strings in the Janessa scam universe, bringing in boatloads of money. But to hear Bubba say that Vanessa is only 90% the victim surprises me. If, as he says, her pictures were stolen without her knowledge, how could she be at fault? Then Bubba comes to her defense, drawing a line between Janessa, the woman we see online, and Vanessa, the real woman living a real life.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Vanessa is a very conventional girl, so I've known about all of her relationships, and none of them involved, you know, trying to scam money out of anybody. She's never participated in any of this. And if she needed to ever make money or, you know, she always had a modeling opportunity or a web show or, you know, she didn't need to to do that, because let's not forget, it's illegal as well.

[Hannah Ajala]

It sure is. But we know the legal system isn't great at cracking down on romance scammers. Our call is winding down, so it's time to ask Bubba one final question. The most important question of our conversation. Will he help us get in touch with Vanessa? We hope that she is happy to speak with us.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Oh, I'll get it done. Her and I are so very close. I'll make that contact today.

[Hannah Ajala]

Music to my ears. It makes sense to me that Bubba and Janessa seem to understand each other in a way most people wouldn't. Each of them exists in an ecosystem that's strange, even disturbing to some outsiders. The shock radio world, the world of adult entertainment. They both gave themselves new names. They both trade in unorthodox behaviors in exposure. But don't many of us seek out attention and exposure in some way? There are so many layers to this story, and I finally start to let myself believe that I'm getting closer to Janessa, Especially when bubba shares her email address. We quickly dash off a message to Vanessa. A minute later, a ping. Has she already replied? No, It's a bounce back message. The recipient's mailbox is full and can't accept messages. Now we try again the next day. No bounce back this time. And a few hours later, a response. Sure. Happy to chat, Janessa. At last. We set up a video call for later in the week. But I should have known there would be more bumps in the road. So 4:02 was when I responded to her email saying she was 15 minutes late. And then 4:20 was the email that I sent suggesting zoom. Should we wait until 5? Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say give it 10 more minutes. Three video call invites, three no shows. But then Vanessa responds to a text message and agrees to meet in person. She invites us to her hometown in the eastern us. I'm in Nigeria at the time. So my two producers travel from Toronto for the interview. Vanessa suggests a trendy midtown Spanish restaurant. At 8 o'clock. They have a wait list, so my producers take a seat at the bar. At 8:10, my producer Laura gets a text.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

I'll be there in a minute. I'm wearing a pink hat.

[Hannah Ajala]

Two minutes later, a man comes through the door, and you guessed it, he's wearing a pink baseball hat. Is it a coincidence? Are pink hats having a fat fashion moment? Or maybe we're being taken for a ride? I can't help but think of all the times Roberto was supposed to speak with He's Janessa. To see her on video, to meet her at the airport, all the excuses she made. We're starting to understand how he felt. After weeks of messaging, I'd never seen or spoken to her. Yet here we are in a Spanish bar, such a long way from home, operating entirely on faith. Faith that we've been in contact with the real Janessa. So is this guy in the pink baseball hat a scammer? Getting the last laugh? And then a huge pink bolero hat comes through the door. It's not an exaggeration to say that everyone looks up. All eyes are on the striking woman in the tight white jeans and stiletto heels when she raises her face from under that pink hat and smiles. We've seen that face before. It's her. Without a doubt, it's Janess.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

We are in my bedroom right now where the magic happens. And I mean where I make my money on webcam. Made my money.

[Hannah Ajala]

What do the words say by your head?

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

Oh, it says dream. And the little neon sign?

[Hannah Ajala]

That's next time on Love Janessa. Love Janessa is produced by Antica Productions and Telltale Industries for the BBC World Service and CBC Podcasts. I'm Hannah Ajala. Our producers are Katrina Onstad and Laura Reguer. Associate producers are Hailey Choi and Simona Rata. Sound design and audio mix by Philip Wilson and Janine White. Executive producers are Stuart Cox and Jago Lee at CBC Podcasts. Emily Canal is coordinating producer, Chris Oak is executive producer, and Arif Nurani is the director at the BBC World Service. Anne Dixie is senior podcast producer and John Mannell is the podcast commissioning editor. Thanks for Listen.

[Bubba the Love Sponge]

A BBC World Service and CBC podcast production.