Katy sits down with legendary graphic designer and author David Airey to talk about two decades in the industry, but this isn't just a conversation about logos, books, and client work. It quickly becomes something deeper. A reflection on time, family, creativity, and what actually matters when you strip everything else away.

They explore what it means to build a long, sustainable creative career in a world that's constantly shifting. From growing up in that in-between analogue-to-digital era to navigating today's AI-fuelled uncertainty, David shares how he's managed to stay grounded, focused, and still in love with the work. His approach is simple but powerful: focus on the client in front of you, don't look too far ahead, and protect your attention at all costs.

There's also a refreshingly honest take on success. David opens up about the moment priorities shifted, particularly after becoming a parent, and how that changed his relationship with work. Less hustle, more intention. Fewer projects, better balance. And a growing awareness that time, not money or recognition, is the most valuable thing we've got.

Katy and David also get into the realities of the creative industry. The pressure, the comparison, the impact of social media, and why it's so easy to lose yourself in it all. David offers a quietly radical perspective here: discipline matters more than passion. Not the kind of advice that shouts, but the kind that sticks.

Along the way, there are stories of early-career missteps, reflections on regret (or the lack of it), and a shared nostalgia for a slower, pre-Internet world that shaped how they both approach life and work today. It's thoughtful, funny, and at times unexpectedly emotional.

If you've ever questioned your pace, your priorities, or what you're actually aiming for, this episode will land.