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Right, this is where things get a bit more… unhinged. In this bonus episode, Katy and James Martin ditch the big topics and just have a proper chat. It's looser, more playful, and exactly the kind of conversation you'd have if you were sat next to each other at the pub after the mics were meant to be off.

They get into the small stuff that says a lot. The daily rituals that keep you sane. The trends that quietly drive you mad. The advice you wish would disappear forever. And yes, it goes exactly where you'd expect… pasta shapes, rave memories, and a few moments where you wonder how you're both still alive.

There's honesty in here, too. The kind that sneaks up on you when you stop trying to be clever and just talk. It's messy, funny, and full of those little insights that only come out when you're not overthinking it.

And, of course, it ends with a question for the next guest that might reveal more about someone than anything else. Don't take it too seriously. That's kind of the point.