In recent weeks, the Defense Department has tussled with Anthropic over how its artificial intelligence could be used on classified systems. That fight became bitter and negotiations fell apart. And war in the Middle East has made it increasingly clear how much the U.S. military has been relying on A.I.

Sheera Frenkel, who covers technology for The New York Times, explains the standoff and what it reveals about the future of warfare.

Guest: Sheera Frenkel, a New York Times reporter who covers how technology affects our lives.

Background reading:

How talks between Anthropic and the Defense Department fell apart.
Here is a guide to the Pentagon’s dance with Anthropic and OpenAI.

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Anthropic vs. the Pentagon: Inside the Battle Over A.I. Warfare