Ballot Box Poison (feat. Rachel O'Leary Carmona)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Daily Beans – "Ballot Box Poison" (feat. Rachel O'Leary Carmona)

Episode Date: March 26, 2026
Hosts: Allison Gill (AG), Dana Goldberg (DG)
Guest: Rachel O'Leary Carmona, Executive Director of Women's March
Main Theme: Empowerment, accountability, and systemic change in progressive movements, with a focus on breaking news and a powerful discussion about sexual abuse within movements and the importance of believing and supporting survivors.

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Episode Overview

This episode covers a range of breaking political and legal stories, highlighting recent progressive victories, conservative missteps, and legal accountability. The main segment features an in-depth and personal conversation with Rachel O'Leary Carmona, discussing her Rolling Stone op-ed in response to revelations about Cesar Chavez’s abuse, Dolores Huerta’s bravery, and the broader patterns of power abuse and survivor solidarity in progressive spaces.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Political and Legal News Roundup (00:00–14:50)

• Progressive Electoral Wins

  • Emily Gregory (Democrat) Flips Florida District Including Mar-A-Lago
    • A massive symbolic win in a "deep red" district Trump had won by 11 points in 2024.
    • Emily Gregory defeats Trump-endorsed John Maples.
    • "The race that Trump endorsed the Republican the hardest on is the one that lost by the most points." – AG (10:13)
  • Brian Nathan Leads in Tampa Area Special Election
  • Phil Berger, NC State Senate Leader, loses his primary—after redrawing his own district maps for GOP advantage.
    • "Berger was in charge of redrawing these maps for Trump, and he just drew himself 23 votes short." – AG (11:50)

• Legal & Judicial Developments

  • Trump’s motive for hoarding classified documents revealed:
    • Jack Smith’s memo: Trump kept sensitive material tied to his business interests.
    • Memo accidentally released to Congress by Pam Bondi, possibly violating a court order.
    • “We must have those documents.” – Jack Smith’s memo (06:30)
    • “This is fucking hilarious to me.” – AG, on the accidental release (07:32)
  • Meta (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp) fined $375 million in NM over user safety & child exploitation (03:17–03:59)
  • Rick Grenell’s defamation suit against Olivia Troy dismissed—Grenell objected to being called out for meeting with white supremacists/Nazis.
    • “Characterizing someone as a Nazi is an opinion, it's not actionable defamation.” – AG (04:49)

• Election Fraud Accountability

  • Republican election denier Harry Waite convicted of identity theft and election fraud, ironically while “proving” fraud is possible.
    • “Stealing ballots isn’t hacking.” – AG (13:14)
  • Cases parallel earlier incident (Kimberly Zapata, Milwaukee) of election officials trying to “prove” system vulnerability.

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2. Interview Segment: Rachel O'Leary Carmona on Cesar Chavez, Power, and Survivor Solidarity (18:14–39:47)

Notable Timestamped Quotes, Insights, and Memorable Moments Below

The Personal & Political Cost of Silence

• Rachel describes living in a society that valorizes male leaders while erasing or diminishing women’s leadership and agency.
  • “When we have an environment that valorizes men because they're men, and divorces women from their achievements... that is the authorizing environment in which these abuses happen.” – Rachel (18:57)
• On her own survivorship and the collective burden:
  • “I'm a survivor. I was sexually assaulted when I was 10 years old... I don't know a woman who wasn’t sexually assaulted. I just don't.” – Rachel (19:44)
  • Speaking out is about solidarity, not vulnerability:
    • “When you are violated like that, it's just a part of your life... I'm really just telling people what has always been true for me.” – Rachel (22:22)
    • “Dolores is... putting down this thing that was never hers to carry and to pick up... her own story and her own, you know, legacy.” – Rachel (18:57)
  • On abusers: “Any time authority and power is amassed without any kind of accountability, there is abuse... the road only goes one way, and that's abuse of it.” – Rachel (19:13)

The Effect of Power Structures

• The burden on survivors when their abuser is a public figure or "movement hero":
  • “It's already hard enough to come forward when the other person is a piece of shit. But when... buildings named after them... I cannot imagine the added pressure of having to carry that secret.” – AG (26:22)
• The tendency for movements to protect the abuser for the “good of the cause”:
  • “Most of us are quiet and choose the movement over exposing the abuses that we see every day.”
  • “The movement would have likely circled wagons [around Chavez]—in fact, is circling wagons even today.” – Rachel (30:06)

Systemic Issues in Progressive Spaces

• Accountability and hypocrisy within progressive organizations:
  • “If we are serious on the left about governing, we have to be serious about rooting out patriarchy, misogyny, and sexism. The very first fascism most of us experience is... the threat of physical and sexual harm that most girls and women experience before we even turn 10 years old.” – Rachel (35:24)
  • “Women power this movement and are regularly shut out of rooms, not invited to tables... Regularly, you know, think about the case of abortion...” – Rachel (32:14)

Memorable Quotes

• “We're done protecting the cause at the expense of the women who built it. We're done performing deference to leaders who have not earned it and do not deserve it. We're done being told to wait, to soften, to be patient, to trust the process.” – Rachel (from op-ed, quoted at 32:14)
• “The bravest thing that we can do is be honest about what got us here and to start making some changes.” – Rachel (39:44)

Solidarity and the Ripple Impact of Speaking Out

• On why she decided to speak up publicly now:
  • “It was less about feeling like permission and more about feeling like I need to... be in solidarity. If these women are coming forward... let me come forward too... so that you're not alone.” – Rachel (25:19)
• On how the left’s reluctance to center women’s safety and rights backfires strategically and morally.

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3. The Good News Segment (40:25–end)

Listeners submit moments of personal or community good news, activism stories, and gratitude, including:

• Updates on health, family, and activism (e.g., clean biopsy results, winning a disability claim, art/creative pursuits).
• News on organizing and activism, including virtual and international "No Kings" rallies to defend democracy.
• A standout submission:
  • “If comply or die is your only option, you don't live in a free country. Stand up, speak out. Silence is compliance. If all lives mattered, you'd be yelling in the streets.” – Listener submission (Kendra, 49:45)
• Notes from listeners abroad, activism photos, and creative protest sign ideas.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–10:30 — Political/legal news, Trump document motive bombshell, electoral victories.
• 14:50–18:14 — Transition to main interview.
• 18:14–39:47 — Rachel O'Leary Carmona interview: sexual abuse, power structures, survivor solidarity, change in movement spaces.
• 40:25–End — Listener-submitted good news, activism highlights, international demonstrations, and community engagement.

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Notable Quotes (with Attribution & Timestamps)

• "We must have those documents."
  — Jack Smith memo, regarding Trump’s motive (06:30, paraphrased by AG)

• "This is fucking hilarious to me."
  — AG, on Republicans accidentally releasing the memo revealing Trump’s business motives (07:32)

• "Stealing ballots isn't hacking."
  — AG, on election fraud by a Republican election denier (13:14)

• “When we have an environment that valorizes men because they're men, and divorces women from their achievements, from their leadership, from their agency even… that is the authorizing environment in which these abuses happen.”
  — Rachel O'Leary Carmona (18:57)

• “Most organizations on the left have a base of women… Women power this movement and are regularly shut out of rooms, not invited to tables…”
  — Rachel O'Leary Carmona (32:14)

• “We're done protecting the cause at the expense of the women who built it. We're done performing deference to leaders who have not earned it and do not deserve it. We're done being told to wait, to soften, to be patient, to trust the process.”
  — Rachel O'Leary Carmona (32:14, quoted by Allison)

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Episode Tone and Language

The hosts maintain their signature blend of deeply informed political analysis and irreverent, feminist snark. The interview segment is particularly candid, empathetic, and unapologetically direct about the cost of silence, survivor solidarity, and the need for accountability within progressive spaces.

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Final Takeaways

• Women are the backbone of progressive movements, and their safety, leadership, and voices must be centered—not sidelined in deference to male “heroes.”
• Systemic accountability is imperative, and the left must root out internal patriarchy/misogyny to effectively govern and embody its values.
• Solidarity among survivors can change the narrative and culture, fostering collective healing and transformation.
• Progressive victories at the ballot box and in the courts are possible—and so is real, systemic change within our own ranks.

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Relevant Links:

• Rolling Stone Op-Ed by Rachel O’Leary Carmona
• Women's March
• No Kings Day of Action / Accessible Rally

For full listener good news contributions, activism sign ideas, and more, visit dailybeanspod.com and check the episode show notes!

Transcript

[A]

Msw media. Hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Thursday, March 26, 2026. Today, Democrat Emily Gregory has flipped the deep red Florida district that includes Mar? A Lago, N.C. mAGA leader Phil Berger redistricted himself out of power. A Republican election denier in Wisconsin was just convicted of election fraud. Zuckerberg's Meta has been ordered to pay $375 million in a new Mexico trial over child exploitation and user safety claims. A federal judge has blocked the administration from detaining thousands of refugees. And Republicans accidentally gave Congress a memoir that reveals Trump's motives for hoarding classified documents. I'm Alison Gill.

[B]

And I'm Dana Goldberg.

[A]

The incompetence continues. What's up, my friend?

[B]

I know. I love when stuff like this happens. I just do. When they're like, oh, here's a memo by the way of all the illegal things the president's done. I mean, come on, it's like schadenfreude,

[A]

just rake stepping just left and right. It's pretty interesting. We're going to talk about that. Also today, executive director of Women's March, Rachel o', Leary, Carmona, is going to join me to discuss her op ed about Cesar Chavez in Rolling Stone. Very powerful. And our $3 Patreon level goes away in just a few days, March 30th. But if you want to sign up to become a patron at $3 a month for daily beans, you can do that between now and then, between now and March 30, and keep that $3 tier for as long as you want. You can get grandfathered in. And also if you're a patron, we're having a happy hour Today, Thursday at 4:30pm Pacific, 7:30 Eastern. And the links will go out at noon Pacific today. So check your junk for that. So lots going on.

[B]

There is a lot going on. There's also a lot going on in the courts. This one's from Reuters. A federal judge on Monday blocked the administration from enforcing a new policy that would subject thousands of refugees to arrest and detention if after a year in the United States, they had yet to obtain green cards. You know how possible they're making that for people right now. U.S. district Judge Richard Stearns in Boston acted at the request of six refugee and two advocacy groups who argue the U.S. department of Homeland Security's policy was an unlawful departure from decades of practice.

[A]

Ah, yes. So that's good that that's blocked. Then we'll see how far this goes. Also from Politico, a second federal appeals court has blessed the Trump administration's policy of locking up the vast majority of people it's seeking to deport without a chance for a bond hearing, even if they have no criminal records and have resided in the country for decades. A panel of Republican appointees on the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2 to 1 Wednesday that the administration had properly determined that federal law does not only allow, but requires ICE to detain the vast majority of people it's seeking to deport. That includes millions of immigrants who have long been treated as eligible for bond hearings.

[B]

Okay, thanks, A.G. this one's also from Reuters. A New Mexico jury on Tuesday found Meta platforms violated state law in a lawsuit brought by the state attorney general, who accused the company of misleading users about the safety of Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp and of enabling child sexual exploitation on those platforms. After deliberating less than a day, the jury found that Meta violated New Mexico's consumer protection law, ordered the company to pay $375 million in civil penalties. Which is a drop in the bucket to Zuckerberg, but it is a statement which I'm happy to see.

[A]

I was actually just going to use the exact phrase drop in a bucket. So.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. But again, high enough to be meaningful, but I don't know if it's going to deter them from being a holes. But no. Some good news in the courts. Our friend Olivia tr. She won today in court. A judge has dismissed Rick Grenell's defamation suit against her for a second time. Now, Grinnell claims Troy, our friend Olivia Troy defamed him when she said that Grinnell invited Mike Pence to meet with white supremacists and Nazis during a trip to Europe. Now, Grinnell says that the lie he's mad about isn't the fact that he invited Pence to meet with these groups. It's that Troy called them white supremacists and Nazis. That was his beef. But because characterizing someone as a Nazi is an opinion, it's not actionable defamation. So he dropped the case.

[B]

Again. That's fantastic.

[A]

So congratulations to our friend Olivia Troy.

[B]

Indeed.

[A]

Yeah. All right, everybody, we've got plenty to get to. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. First up, a bombshell from Carol Lennig at Ms. Now, special counsel Jack Smith gathered evidence that then candidate Donald Trump took top secret documents that related to his business interests worldwide. And investigators considered this the likely motive for Trump to conceal them at his Florida club after he left the White House. And that's according to newly released case records. Released by Pam Bondi to Congress.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

The special prosecutor also had evidence indicating that after leaving office, Trump had shown a classified map to passengers on a private plane, including his future chief of staff, Susie Wiles, and took at least one document that was so secret that only six people had authority to review it. And that's according to a memo reviewed by Ms. Now and cited by the House Judiciary Committee's ranking Democrat, Jamie Raskin of Maryland. Trump's reason for taking hundreds of pages of classified documents when he left office and then concealing them and hoarding them in his bathroom when the Justice Department subpoenaed him for their return in May of 2022. That motive, his reasons, has been one of the larger mysteries of this case. We never knew it. FBI agents conducting an unannounced search of Trump's Mar? A Lago residence, which is now represented by a Democrat, in August of 2022 discovered hundreds more pages of top secret records that Trump and his lawyers had failed to return to the government after claiming that they had fully returned all the classified materials pursuant to that subpoena. In January 2023, in a progress memo that Jack Smith wrote for internal review only that was reviewed by Ms. Now, Smith's office discussed the possible motive after the FBI discovered Trump held on to many documents related to his businesses. Here's what the memo says. Trump possessed classified documents pertinent to his business interests, establishing a motive for retaining them. That's according to the memo, which tracked progress in the documents and election interference investigations. Quote, we must have those documents, unquote. We never knew why he stole and retained the classified documents in the shitter at Mar? A Lago, but we did all guess that it was probably money, right? To make money, of course. And here's the thing. Bondi released this memo to Congress maybe accidentally, because, you know, they were gathering up all the Arctic frost January 6th documents and giving them to Congress. Like to try to discredit Jack Smith, she accidentally released this. That included information from volume two of Jack Smith's final report, the classified documents case. Pam Bondi might be in violation of Judge Cannon's court order not to release anything pertaining to volume two, but Raskin found it, sent it out to the press, and he's protected by the speech or debate clause. And since Bondi gave it to them, she's the one that violated the court order, not Raskin. So this is fucking hilarious to me. And Annie McCabe and I are going to cover it in more depth on the next episode of the Unjustified podcast. This weekend. This is just beyond.

[B]

Yeah, speaking of embarrassing, there's more things here happening at Mar A Lago. I mean, the Democrat Emily Gregory won a special state House election in a Palm beach district that includes Trump's Florida home at Mar a Lago, which I love this. This is another special election win to a recent string of victories around the country for Democrats in a big time flip. Tuesday's election was a prime opportunity for Democrats in the ruby red Sunshine State to notch a win in a state where the party's often short of them. In a district with political resonance. Gregory, a business owner and military spouse running for office for the first time, defeats Republican John Maples, a former City Council member of nearby Lake Shores who first received Trump's complete and total endorsement in January. Mar a Lago will now be represented by a trio of Democrats across the Florida state House, Senate and U.S. house, though Republicans of course have overall control of all three of those State House District 87 has been vacant since August of last year, when former Republican state Rep. Mike Caruso, who won reelection in 2024 by 19 percentage points, left the seat to become Palm beach county clerk and comptroller. Of course he did because they're in charge of election. Trump won the district by 11 points during the 2024 presidential election. But that's not all. Democrat Brian Nathan is leading his Republican opponent by a razor thin margin in the Tampa area special state Senate election to replace Jay Collins. With all precincts reported, Nathan, who's a union leader and Navy veteran, led former state Rep. Josie Tomkow by half a percentage point, 50.25% to 49.75%. That margin, if it holds up, is going to trigger a machine recount. That means it could take days to know the final outcome of this race. But Nathan was celebrating the results Tuesday evening, said that Tom Kao had called him to concede. Tom Kao indicated she plans to run again in November. A victory by Nathan would represent a major upset in a district that Collins, a Republican, won by almost 10 points in 2022.

[A]

I know this is so fun for me.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Fun for me. I think it's great that the the race that Trump endorsed the Republican the hardest on is the one that lost by the most points.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Yeah. Now more election news from the Associated Press. North Carolina government's most influential politician, Republican state senator leader Phil Berger, conceded his primary race for his seat to Sam Page, Republican on Tuesday, shaking the power structure in the 9th largest state and likely soon ending Berger's preeminence as the state's top conservative architect. Berger trailed Page, the Rockingham county Sheriff, in their March 3rd primary. This is weeks ago. He trailed him by only 23 votes. And he's been a Senate leader since 2011, when Republicans took full control over the General assembly for the first time in 140 years. Trump endorsed Berger for reelection, praising him for his policy accomplishments. Trump's endorsement came several weeks after the legislature Redrew the state's U.S. house District Map in an attempt to flip a Democratic seat as part of the president's redistricting campaign to retain Republican control of the House in this year's midterm elections. Page's campaign was outspent by Berger's campaign by more than 40 to 1.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Through mid February, according to finance reports. That doesn't include several millions of dollars that pro Berger independent expenditure groups spent on mailers and advertising. So. And Berger was in charge of redrawing these maps for Trump, and he just drew himself 23 votes short.

[B]

I mean, it's so good. Oh, it's so good. All right, this one's from NBC. A jury convicted a Wisconsin man of election fraud. Oh, we do have election fraud and identity theft for requesting the ballots of Republican State Assembly Speaker Robin Voss and Democratic Racing Mayor Corey Mason without their consent. Now, jurors in Racine county on Tuesday found Harry Waite guilty of two misdemeanor election fraud charges and one felony identity theft charge. Following a two day trial, he was acquitted of a second account of identity theft. Waite leads a group that makes false election claims, including that Wisconsin's elections are riddled with fraud and that President Trump won the 2020 election. Trump lost Wisconsin in 2020 by about 21, 000 votes. Wade admitted in 2022 that he requested Voss and Mason's ballots to try to prove that the state's voter registration system is vulnerable to fraud. Waite told the Associated Press at the time that he wasn't surprised he was charged. He said, you gotta expect to pay some costs sometimes when you're trying to work for the public good. I think when you're breaking laws, sir. Yeah. His offers to praise, of course, from Republican U.S. senator Russian Ron Johnson in 2022, who called wait a white hat hacker, by the way, stealing white hood. I think he meant a white hood hacker.

[A]

Stealing ballots isn't hacking.

[B]

Yeah, you just. It's stealing. It's literally. You don't have to have any sort of. Yeah.

[A]

Computer skills.

[B]

After the verdict, Waite told WTMJ that he and I quote, would do it again. The sentencing date has not been set. Waits attorney Joe Bugney did not respond to an email Wednesday asking whether he would appeal that.

[A]

Wait, wait. So he told WTMJ that he would do it all again if he had a chance before he sentenced?

[B]

Huh.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

Yeah, I thought that that sounded almost like. Wait, wait, don't tell me.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

Who's 71 Faces up to 6 years in prison on the felon conviction and up to a year in jail on each of misdemeanor convictions. His convictions they come after A jury in 2024 found a former Milwaukee election official guilty of misconduct in office after she obtained three military absentee ballots using fake names and Social Security numbers in 2022. Like, wait. Kimberly Zapata argued that she was trying to expose vulnerabilities in the state's election system. Zapata was fined $3000 and sentenced to one year probation. And we know which party she votes for.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. Well, it's a lot of good news today. I'm excited about it. I like the. I like today's show totally. All right, everybody, we're going to be right back with the executive director of Women's March, Rachel o' Leary Carmona. We're going to discuss her very poignant op ed about Cesar Chavez in Rolling Stones. Stick around. We'll be right back after these messages.

[B]

We'll be right back.

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[C]

Good, thanks. How are you doing?

[A]

I am good. I was blown away. I was bowled over by your op ed in Rolling Stone. I think everything that you said is like, everything that I was feeling about this moment. I live in San Diego. Every other street is named after Cesar Chavez. We celebrate Cesar Chavez Day. Not anymore, but that's very big here. And as are farm workers rights and workers rights and labor and union rights and things like that. And so this was pretty. It bowled us over as a community and as a woman and as a survivor. And I wanted you to talk a little bit about what prompted you to write this op ed based on your own experiences.

[C]

I mean, I think for me, the issue actually starts in the place that you name, which is like the streets being named and the buildings being named for a man who is a leader, who absolutely fought for the dispossessed, absolutely fought for my community, fought for farm workers, fought for Latinos, fought for immigrants. And so I want to start there and say that he did those, and he wasn't the only person who did those things. And so when we have an environment that valorizes men because they're men, and divorces women from their achievements, from their leadership, from their agency even, I think that is the authorizing environment in which these abuses happen. And then the abuses happen. And, you know, these abuses happen to be sexual in nature. I have had an entire career in the nonprofit industry, and I can tell you with certainty that any time authority and power is amassed without any kind of accountability, there is abuse. There may not be sexual abuse. It may be financial abuse. It may be, you know, a hostile work environment. But, you know, the accumulation of power like that, only the road only goes one way, and that's abuse of it. We see that at the highest levels in our country. We see it, you know, in the interpersonal levels right now playing out. And so we're here in Women's History Month, you know, and we're thinking about all of the women that made history. And here is Dolores Huerta making history again by deciding to put down this thing that was never hers to carry and to pick up, you know, pieces of her own story and her own, you know, legacy, you know, and also to face her own trauma, you know, at 95 years old. And. And it just. It struck me I. I'm a survivor. I was sexually assaulted when I was 10 years old. My mother was also sexually assaulted. Both my sisters were also sexually assaulted. I actually don't. I actually don't. Despite what the statistics say, I don't know a woman who wasn't sexually assaulted. I just don't. And so when I was thinking about that, I was thinking about I had a friend maybe 10 years ago, and I was saying, you know, especially when you're. When you're a survivor of childhood sexual assault, when you're 10 years old, you are not just telling your story. You're telling the story of your. Of your parents and how they were there or they were not there, how they dealt with it or did not deal with it. You're telling an interconnected story. And I was telling my friend the story of my sexual assault, but also the story of growing up in a violent home, separate and apart from that was something that I had a real problem telling because I felt like it touched so many people. And by me telling what happened to me, I'm also telling what happened to other people. And this friend said, maybe you would set all of you free if you told your story. Maybe you would be able to liberate your mother and your sisters and other people who experienced that through your own telling of your story in a way that they can't do for themselves. And that really changed the way I thought about it. So when I published this op ed, I also sent an email to Women's March and put on social media that I was a survivor. And everyone was like, that's like. They're like, it's so brave. And they're, They're. They're talking to me, you know, about this, this bravery. But the thing is, is that when you are violated like that, it's. It's just a part of your life. You. You never go back to a time where that wasn't true for you. So I'm really just telling people what has always been true for me and letting them in. And I think, you know, Dolores is, you know, looks like she's doing the same thing. I don't know her. I don't want to speak for her, but I just think that it's time for us all to put down this thing that was never really ours to carry. I don't particularly think it's brave. I don't particularly think it's frightening. It is who I am, and it's what happened to me. And I think what is indicative of the continued cycle of abuse of power, abuse of authority is the people who then take the opportunity in the wake of these revelations and these, you know, the stories that people are choosing to tell to, like, jump on you. So, like, you know, people have been calling me and, you know, when people are, like, picking fights with me in comment sections or saying that, you know, well, you. They said, you probably have skeletons in your closet too, or you probably, you know, I'm like, oh, so you know what I mean? Just as a demonstration that the environment that we're in has not changed. And what has to change is the, you know, the authorizing environment that allows abuse, that allows victim blaming, that allows us to conflate, you know, a decision that we've made or hard choices that we made with, you know, rape of a child, you know. And so I really think that what's happening in the telling of the story and how it's playing out, the people who are speaking and the people who are dead silent about it really, really are a canary in a. In a coal mine right now about the state of sexism, misogyny, patriarchy in the United States.

[A]

So am I understanding you correctly that this is, in this op ed, this is the first time you've publicly talked about being sexually assaulted as a 10 year old?

[C]

I sent an email a couple weeks ago, or like last week when it first came out, but yeah, it was the. The first time that I've said anything. It was the first time I really felt called to.

[A]

I was gonna ask, is this because of Dolores speaking out? Is this because of her speaking out that you. Because what I've noticed is that. But in These movements, the MeToo movement and other similar movements, it's other people speaking out, telling their stories that give us the permission structure to tell ours, to put our stuff down and free the people around us from that as well as ourselves. And I was wondering if you were like. Because as you said, you sent that email and had those discussions about it, and I was wondering if that was part of it, if you felt now more if it was just about putting it down or you felt more about letting others know that they're not alone too.

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I think for me, I mean, it's nothing that I haven't, you know, been open about in my regular life, so not just personal life, but at work. But I think for me, it was less about feeling like permission and more about feeling like I need to, you know, I want to be in solidarity. And if these women are coming forward and they're telling their stories, if the Epstein survivors are coming forward and telling their stories, then let me come forward, too, and tell my story so that you're not alone out there. Like, you know, let me just come out and stand with you, you know, And I think for me, that's. That's, you know, where. Where the impulse was, because it's not anything that I feel, you know, when I first wrote the email, which was the kind of precursor to the. The op ed, you know, the team was like, are you sure? You know, And I was like, I don't. I don't feel like I am making myself vulnerable right now. I feel like I am helping to be. Helping a group of people to be strong.

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Right? Yeah. And as a survivor as well, I can't imagine the added, I guess, another layer on top of it being harder to tell your story because, you know, my sexual assault was somebody who didn't have a movement and didn't amount to anything and was on the wrong side and is a pile of shit. But here, this added pressure of having to carry the weight of that secret forever because of who Cesar Chavez is, I can't imagine. I can't imagine that added. It's already hard enough to come forward and talk about what happened to you when the other person is a piece of shit. But when you have somebody who's part of a movement and has buildings named after them and statues erected in their honor and streets named after them, I cannot imagine the added pressure of having to carry that secret in order to not disturb that, you know, the, I guess the benefit of the movement that that was. She was a leader, if not the leader of that movement as well, a hundred percent.

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And I think, I mean, that's really where the abuse starts, you know, like, the thing that I think people, I mean, especially abuse with, you know, people that, you know, is oftentimes somewhat incremental, you know, in ways that you may not recognize at the. At the time, but you recognize later, you know. And so, you know, for me, it wasn't anybody in my family. It was a neighborhood kid. But when I look back on it, I think, oh, like, he was always trying to lure us away from, like, you know, like there were steps that. That went there. And I think.

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And we always blame ourselves for not being able to see those signs.

[C]

Right.

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We're always like, oh, and then also something you have to, at least me, spend years on doing in therapy as well.

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Yeah. And I think. And then there is this. This aspect of the, you know, his leadership and her leadership, because we're talking about his Leadership. Right. But we're. But we also need to contend with hers. So, you know, yes, if she steps. Step forward, you know, and said something, the movement, you know, likely would have circled wagons around him, because that's how people, you know, relate to power. But what does that also mean for her? What impacts would that have had on her life? And there's actually a really good book. Vanessa Daniel has written a book called Unrig the Game, and it talks about this a lot. And it talks about, you know, kind of the rampant nature of, to be frank, like, abuse of power and bullying inside of nonprofit organizations, inside of movement organizations. And so for me, although, you know, my. My abuser was like a much older kid, but a kid, I have also been inside of organizations where I have witnessed, you know, the leadership abuse, power abuse, authority abuse, money, you know, abuse the people around them. And so I understand. And I've had to think about, okay, like, what of this behavior do I take? What do I leave? When do I fight? When do I quit? You know, how do you engage with unaccountable power? Because if you are engaging with unaccountable power, that power can also turn itself against you and begin to impact your career in different ways. So there's, you know, there's. What would happen to him and how the. The movement very likely would have circled around him and in fact, is circling around him even today. You know, there are a lot of people inside of my community who are saying, oh, this is unfair. He's dead. He can't. You know, he can't. We don't have very many heroes.

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True.

[C]

Like, people don't, you know, talk about the work that. And the contributions that we have made to the movement, to this country.

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True.

[C]

You know, all of these things are true. And, you know, these, you know, women are coming forward, and these are just the ones that came forward, you know, that we don't have any reason to believe that this is the sum total of anything. So we have to sit with all of these things, that this was a contribution. The movement would have likely circled wagons. The movement is circling wagons. And that anytime somebody comes forward and speaks truth to power, especially when they have some of their own, they have to think about what the impact is on their own career and their own ability to continue to move towards the goals that they want, you know, that. That the. And the change that they want to see in the world. And so a lot of us are quiet, you know, a lot of us are quiet and choose, you know, to. Not to choose the movement over, you know, exposing the abuses that we see every day. I know I've made that choice in my career, and I know that, you know, other people have as well. So I think. I think it's difficult to contend with, you know, and I think it's. It's. It's. It's very, you know, it's very multilayered. It's very multilayered.

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Yeah, it is. And it happens at every level. I mean, we see the big stories, like, people finally coming out, speaking out against, like, Harvey Weinstein, a woman just won a $59 million civil case against Bill Cosby, a beloved comedian at the time. Very hard to come out against. But even, you know, when I was in comedy, super misogynistic, had somebody assault me and then tell me that if I told anyone that I would never be passed at the Comedy Store. Like, I. And who the fuck am I, right? Like, I'm way down there below. But those are those weird power structures. And I think one of the most moving quotes from your article, I'm just gonna read it here, and we're gonna have a link to this in the show notes so everyone can read the entire article. It's really the op Ed. Excuse me. You say, what is going to change is this. We're done protecting the cause at the expense of the women who built it. We're done performing deference to leaders who have not earned it and do not deserve it. We're done being told to wait, to soften, to be patient, to trust the process. Talk a little bit about that. That's the part that, like, bowled me over.

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You know what I was thinking about when I wrote that a little bit was Renee Goode, and that she was out, you know, protesting, and after ICE murdered her, they weren't like, oh, shit, they said, you fucking bitch. Yeah, you know, they meant that shit. They meant it. And so I was thinking about that, and I was like, you know, this is. Most organizations on the left have a base of women, majority women. Most of our donors are majority women. Most of the people who work in philanthropy are caseworkers, are women, even if that's not where the money comes from. Like, Women Power, this movement, and are regularly shut out of rooms, regularly, not invited to tables, regularly, you know, disinvited from bodies of work to which, you know, they are. For which they are the experts. Regularly, you know, think about the case of abortion. And I know that this is, you know, not directly connected to, you know, sexual assault, but for decades, the movement, inclusive of, you know, the Democratic Party, but not only would not come out for abortion and say, talk about abortion rights because they were like, it's too polarizing, people. It's not, you know, it's, it's too difficult. Like we're going to talk about or abolish ICE or abolish ice, right? Abortions need to be safe, legal, safe and rare. Or the things that they used to say, you know, and then, you know, run up to Dobbs. Dobbs happen. People start campaigning on abortion and they find out that it is, in fact more popular than almost any candidate that that has run. And in 2024, despite the fact that Democrats got our clock cleaned, abortion won. It was up for 16 ballot initiatives, won 14 of them. And I would argue the 15th in Florida was won because it was. The way it was set up was that it had to reach a super majority of 60% of the voter. And it only got into the mid-50s, only. So even then, you know, so this is an issue that is wildly popular with the American people, but the movement doesn't want to take a risk. And like, at some point. Minnie Timaraju from Reproductive Freedom for All just sat down with Jessica Valenti this week. If you haven't seen their podcast, it's amazing. I just saw it on TikTok, I think it was this week. You know, TikTok doesn't always show you things on time, but Minnie and Jessica were talking this week and they were like, you know, let's still have. Let's put the policy aside. It feels God awful to know that this movement won't fight for our lives when we're out here dying. Not dying, like I'm dying of hunger because it's two and I haven't eaten yet. Getting shot in the street, bleeding out in parking lots of hospitals because we can't get health care. Escalating domestic violence, escalating sexual violence, escalating health issues. And let's move beyond life and death. The amount of women, and particularly black women who've been forcibly removed from the workforce, you know, all of the things that are happening to women and where's the flank? You know, and then when we bring these issues up, it's like, oh, you're difficult and politically naive. You're just, you're hard to work with.

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You're gonna hurt the cause.

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You're gonna hurt the cause. And why are you being so strident? Like, you know, I don't, we don't, we don't like it when you talk like this. We don't like it when you center women's issues, women, or where women voted for Trump, so you all have to go sit down. White women voted for Trump, so you all have to go sit down. It's like, so. So folks deserve to die. Like, if we are serious on the left about governing, we have to be serious about rooting out patriarchy, misogyny, and sexism. The very first fascism that most of us experience is the fascism of being of the threat of physical and sexual harm that most girls and women experience before we even turn 10 years old. What woman do you know has not run from a man? What woman do you know has not walked to in a parking lot with her keys in her fist? What woman do you know is a. Is feel safe walking at night? What woman do you know, you know, grew up feeling 100% safe in her own home, you know, and there are jokes about the creepy uncle or the creepy teacher, the creepy, you know, like, et cetera. The most fundamental tenet of fascism, in the threat to a unit of change and a unit of democracy is just one person. That, when you boil it down, it doesn't get. It's like the lowest common denominator is just one person. And when actually a little bit more than half of the people who are inside of that democracy have never in their lives felt safe in their bodies, in their homes, in their communities. And then the threats to those. To those units of change to us are not taken as serious political challenges worthy of serious political interventions, aside from gotv, aside from voter contacts and all of those things. When women go out and they protest and say, hey, we don't want to be grabbed by the pussy. We don't want a predator, a rapist in the office. And they say, oh, you're so. You're so unserious and performative in your pink hat. And I'm like, so that's the. You know what I mean? And it's.

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And.

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And this is the, you know, the parallel. It's like, it's fine with us for you to feel unsafe in your bodies and your homes and your communities because you really piss us off for wearing your silly hat, you know, or your silly thing that you're doing. Which, by the way, just as a. Sidebar. Shirts, colors, hats, safety pins, bracelets are all pieces of iconography that in other parts of the world have played significant roles in defeating fascism. So it's also kind of like, I actually study fandoms, and I think about, like, the Taylor Swift fandom, the Beehive, you know, all of those Things. And they're. They're fandoms. Right, but you wouldn't say that, like, the Kansas City Chiefs has a fandom because they're men.

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So we don't. We.

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Men are not fans, you know, in fandoms. They're not in fandoms. They. I watch. I'm a foot. I'm a sports guy. I do fantasy football. You know, the way that we talk about things that women engage in. Women's March has moved tens of millions of people over the last 10 years. Multiple mobilizations per year. Typically, like, I think we're in excess of about 12 to 15,000. If men did that, they'd be like, holy shit. Like, there's a problem here. Women are just. I don't. You've seen there that the, like, the right cause was awful. Like affluent, like white, something, whatever. They've got all of these acronyms basically, that liberal women are the worst, you know, in the world. And quiet as it's kept. I don't think that the left thinks much different. And so I think that it's really time for us to contend with the bipartisan challenge that is patriarchy, misogyny, sexism. And until we do do on the left, we will never win. We just won't. You know, we just won't. So I think that if. I mean, yesterday was the time, 10 years ago was the time, but if we didn't do it then the time is today, you know, to deal with these issues because we're not being effective, you know, and. And to be frank, we have been losing. And so part of what we have to do and the bravest thing that we can do is be honest about what got us here and to start making some changes.

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Yeah. Thank you for putting it that way. We are done protecting the cause at the expense of the women who built it. I appreciate your time today. Again, we're gonna have a link to this op ed and the Rolling Stone for you in the show notes. And I can't thank you enough for coming on and talking to me about this today. Can you tell everyone where to find and follow you?

[C]

Yeah, you can find women's marchomensmarch.com we are at Women's March across social media. You can find me at rachcarmona also across social media.

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You awesome. Thank you so much. And everybody, we're going to be right back with some good news, so stick around. All right, everybody, welcome back. It's time for the good news. Good news, everyone.

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Then good news, everyone.

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Please send your good news to us. It can be anything. It can be small good news, big good news. It can have happened this week or 20 years ago. Doesn't matter. You can also send in good trouble suggestions. We would love to hear from you on that. You can also just give a shout out to like a loved one or yourself or a small business in your area, maybe a nonprofit. You want us to know about a shout out to a government program that's helped you or a loved one? Send us your favorite joke, your favorite comedian, your favorite movie, anything that'll bring a smile to our faces. We need to microd dose that hope. So send it to [e-mail] and click on Contact. And make sure to include your POD pet tariff which is attach a photo of your pet and if you don't have a pet, send an adoption adaptable pet in your area or a random photo of an animal on the Internet or a random photo of anything that makes you smile from the Internet. You can also send your bird watching photos, which is like either a bird or you flipping the bird to a trump building. We love those. And you can send photos of what you're making or creating. Maybe some great rally posters and signs that you know. Maybe we need some ideas for what to put on our signs when we go out to no Kings this Saturday. It can be anything at all. Send it to us dailybeanspod.com and click on Contact. First up is your good trouble. Your good trouble today comes from Stand up for Science. They're going to host the official no Kings Accessible Rally, which is a virtual event created to ensure that everyone has a way to show up and participate in the movement to defend our democracy. Built around accessibility, the rally offers people across the country a meaningful way to join the day of action regardless of location, disability, health status, caregiving responsibilities or other barriers to in person attendance. The no Kings Accessible Rally is part of the nationwide no Kings Day of Peaceful Protest. The event will bring together speakers and participants from across health and rights communities, including advocates, activists, medical professionals, patients, researchers to speak about health, democracy and access, access to care, access to science, and access to full participation in public life. So March 28, 12:30 to 2:00pm Central Time, followed by a live stream of the national flagship event from the Twin Cities where Bruce Springsteen will be playing. We're considering.

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That's awesome.

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We are considering Minneapolis St. Paul, Twin Cities to be our flagship, our national flagship no Kings event. And I'm so so here for that. So we're going to have a link to sign up for the accessibility rally that's gonna be in the show notes. And of course you can find your local [e-mail] I love this.

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This is awesome. Thank you so much. This one's from Kiki Pronouns. She and her hello beautiful beans Queens. Thank you for all that you do to keep us formed and sane throughout these insane times. I just want to share some fantastic news. My husband just received his biopsy results for both his bladder and prostate taken last week and they all came back clean. We were both concerned as five years ago this June he finished chemo for a rare soft tissue sarcoma that was taken from his left inner thigh. Since then all the scans have been cleaned. So when his prostate test was higher than the last time, the doctor wanted to do another biopsy on on it. Yes, he had one before and he has a family history of bladder cancer. Anywho, all clear for now. Just waiting for his six month scan for the sarcoma cancer. The five year mark is huge with this type of cancer, so wish him the luck. Best of luck. Thank you again for my pod pet tax. I submit a pic of him with his love. Look at this job. Weimaraner.

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I love the Weimer honor.

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How come I can't get a what the mutt? When it's a Weimaraner and I'm like,

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I know what that is, right? You know what? I give you 100%. I grant it.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome. Kiki. This is such good news. Oh that's so wonderful. Thank you so much for sending that in. Next up from Abby Pronouns. She and her hi AG and dg. I have a personal win to share. I fought for over a year and won my disability case. It's because I have endometriosis and March is endometriosis awareness month. So I just wanted to tell all uterus owners that terribly painful menstrual periods are normalized in society but are not biolog normal. If you have the ability, please seek help for yourself because you don't deserve to live in pain. Well said Abby. On my path to recovery, I've discovered pottery. I've been hand building for two years and I just started a throwing course which I'm loving. Most recent work is a little sculpture of Audrey 2, the human eating Venus fly trap from the Little Shop of Horrors Musical. I'm super proud and wanted to share. Thanks for all you do. Podpet tax. The little one is Penny and the big one is Buddy. We only have what the shelters told us about their breeds, but take A guess. Penny is a blank. Buddy is a blank. What do you think? Shih tzu and pity.

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Pity in a shih tzu? I believe so. Yep.

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Look at that. Shih tzu mix and a pit bull. All right.

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We are a hundred percent. 3, 4, 3. I love this little one. Look at this great piece of pottery too.

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Batten a thousand. Oh, my God. Audrey 2.

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I've given you sunshine. I've given you rain. You've given me nothing but heartache and pain. I'm begging you sweetly. I'm down on my knees. So please grow for me.

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And suddenly Seymour. Sorry.

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Standing beside you. Okay, we're both sorry. This is from small blue dot in Texas.

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Beans.

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Ladies. Small Correction. The French company. Total is pronounced Pronounced total. Ah, got it. Appreciate all you do. I'm so much smarter because I listen to you. Including a picture of my husband's orchids. Not sure if you meant to rhyme small blue dot in Texas, but I love it. And I love orchids. I have so much respect for anyone who can keep orchids alive.

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Same, same. 100. The same. These are gorgeous. Thank you. All right, next up from Reggie. Pronoun. She and her cheers for no kings 3. Your daily reminders to take care of our mental health. And mimicking box of Wine's voice. Thanks, Reggie. Here's my double sided protest sign that I made yesterday from a recycled Protest sign. My pod pet tariffs. Mr. Puffers sleeping with his fangs showing. Okay. Mr. Puffers is a fantastic name for a cat. And then here's the sign. His judgment cometh and that right soon. That is a bible quote. And the reason I know that is because I have seen Shawshank Redemption.

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There you go.

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And tax the rich. On the other side, food, housing, education, healthcare, human rights for all.

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Wall.

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Beautiful sign. And I love that it's recycled. Thank you so much for sharing that. Reggie.

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Yeah.

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Look at the kitty. Kitty.

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All right.

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This is from Mary in the uk. Pronouns she and her. Hey, Beans queens. Just to let you know that we are fighting the good fight abroad. Indivisible abroad. I A is an alliance of international, indivisible and other progressive groups, individuals and allies abroad fighting against the rise of authoritarianism in the US and globally. Indivisible abroad.org Since IA was set up in May of 2025, though it feels like 100 years ago, the number of indivisible groups abroad have gone from a couple to over 25. This is a great example of courage being contagious. Many of the new groups have been set up by Individuals inspired and supported by the wider IA community for no Kings 3. We know of at least 40 no Kings, no tyrants in countries with constitutional monarchs. Events in seventeen countries from Vancouver to Peru to Kenya to Berlin. There are events for US citizens and allies to attend all over the world. We suggest people look at our link tree. We're going to have a link to that in the show notes for overseas events. This is awesome. If your listeners are traveling, organizers love to have tourists attend their events. Please join and say hello. For my pet Tax, I've attached a photo of one of our rescue cats. Looks like Daenerys. Daenerys Storm.

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Storm Targaryen.

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There we go.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. When she was a kitten in Fiji.

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Oh, look at the sweet baby, AKA Cali. That's a Game of Thrones thing or how's it going? Yep, she's hot. I love her so much. The mother dragon.

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Oh, yeah. Totally not the cat. You guys. She's fine. Yeah, no. Super hot. Get super hot. Allison's. Any kitties? Yeah, no dragon. Mother is beautiful.

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All right, everybody. Next up, Kendra Pronoun. She and her first. I want to thank y' all for being my daily news source. Listening to y' all is like talking with my badass Gen X mom about politics. Hell, yeah. We are Kendra's mom's age. For my local no Kings rally, we're making posters that have QR codes that people stopped at the intersection can scan. It will link to a link tree with resources like how to find your rep, how to register to vote in Texas, why we're protesting, and how to get involved. I am so proud of my suburb of Houston. For the first no Kings, we had a couple thousand people show up, and I know this time we're going to show up even more. There are tons of blue dots in Harris County. Just a reminder. Texas is not a deep red state. It's gerrymandered and voter suppressed.

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Yes, indeed.

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100%. Kendra. I'm attaching a picture of my baby's first rally she attended. She's been to three protests already, and she's only 16 months old. Unfortunately, we won't bring her this weekend, but me and my husband are splitting time so we both can attend and show our daughter the importance of showing the up. Also attached a picture of my mom's car. She is the queen of good trouble. She changes what she writes on her car every week, and it helps to show that progressives in our town are not alone. So it says if comply or die is your only option, you don't live in a free country. Stand up, speak out. Silence is compliance. If all lives mattered, you'd be yelling in the streets. Oh, that's very good.

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Those are so good. Look at this. Staying silent in times of injustice is privilege in that league. Little baby.

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The cheeks on this baby.

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I know. I can't.

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I don't want to eat the toes. Is that weird? I want to eat the little toes.

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Oh my God. I mean Kendra, I don't know if this is your little kiddo, but my goodness.

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Perfection. 16 month old baby all right, this

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one's from anonymous pronoun she and her hey Legumi ladies Kitchen day days Kitchen table days KD KDT listener here. Never written in before, but I wanted to give a quick shout out to the Port of Seattle for all the wraparound support they're providing to TSA workers right now. I sailed through SeaTac today in about three minutes or less. I just read a subreddit post from a Port of Seattle commissioner explaining why. We'll have a link to that in the show notes because I'm sure y' all would like to know too. SeaTac only has a 10% absentee rate and is actively calling, calling in its own port staff and asking airlines to supply staff to take over the non regulatory roles. No ice needed here. And they're actively soliciting donations of food and gas cards over the PA system that's normally full of quote see something, say something warnings. And you know what? People are downright pleasant this morning. So in the midst of all the breathless reporting and mainstream media about chaos at airports, I want to remind us all that this is yet another opportunity. We're coming together as a community and supporting one another can help in this fight. Fight against the Orange Menace. If you're heading through an airport, your good trouble mission might just be to hand out prepaid gas cards to a TSA worker on your way through. Anyway, I wanted to point out that the real story here shouldn't be how we are all inconvenienced by this. It should be that we can support one another when the burden of resistance falls heavily on our neighbors. Pod Pet tax is a cute kitty photo taken in the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul last fall on vacation. Enjoy.

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I love vacation cats.

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I know.

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See them hanging around. That's so amazing. Seattle's such a cool town. Yeah, I gotta tell you. Next up, Metal Mike from Memphis. Pronouns he and him Good morning Queens of the beans. Started listening during The Trumpster Fire Part 1 and I'm a Patreon for the Pictures had to comment about Emmett Otter's Jug Band Christmas. Ag made me spit out my coffee. And I fondly recalled that classic. It's on YouTube. YouTube. For my pod pet tax, here's my sweet girl Kona, who made it 13 and is 100% brindle blank. Love y'. All. River we have a link to the River Bottom Nightmare Band, Emmett Otter's Chuck band Christmas on YouTube.

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I love it so much.

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River Bottom Nightmare Band.

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What do you think?

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That looks like a boxer.

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What do you think? Yeah, I agree. Let's see. Boxer. We got them. All right, today for four Today, everyone,

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I need you to mark this down in your calendars. This is March 2025 of 2026, and it's an auspicious day for a couple reasons. One, we just got a hundred percent on what the month. But also, and I know this is going to sound like a strange tangent here, but 18 years ago today, my papa. My papa lost my papa. 18 years. I can't believe it's been gone that long. I did a little post on my Patreon just for some of the paid subscribers to, you know, give you a little insight into that. Because I want you to, you know, know me. That's why you're on the Patreon in general. But yeah, missing my pop 18 years. Unbeliev. March 25, 2008 well, sending you all the love and thanks, honey.

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And also to your mom, who's also an amazing person.

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Yeah, thank you. I don't. I was gonna say. She's fine. They got divorced for the second time when I was four. Mom's doing great. She did a hell of a job raising us.

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Yeah, amazing. Anyway, thank you all so much for your good news. We're gonna need it all again for tomorrow, so please, please take a moment. Send us some good news. Dailybeanspod.com click on Contact. And again, if you. If you haven't joined our Patreon and you're thinking about it, trust me, you're going to want to. We've got some incredible galas coming up this year that our Patreons get to go to. So you can sign [e-mail] MullerShiro and if you do it in the next four days, you can lock in that three dollar a month rate before it goes away. And the rest of the patrons will see you at the Happy hour tonight, 4:30pm Pacific, 7:30pm Eastern. Thank you all so much. We'll be back on your ears tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health, and take care of your family. I've been ag. I've been DG and them's the Beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information Please visit msw media.com msw media.