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Wednesday, July 2nd, 2025 Today, JD Vance cast the tie breaking vote to pass the billionaire bailout bill which now heads back to the House for another vote, Donald Trump wants to use the espionage act against members of the media, a Reagan appointed judge says he will not tolerate retribution against witnesses in an upcoming trial about whether he will block the government from targeting student activists, a new study reveals that the elimination of USAID could result in 14M deaths over five years, an appeals court allows a previously detained researcher to remain free, Justice Alito takes pride in gay bashing from the bench, Mamdani is officially the winner of the NYC mayoral primary after ranked choice voting is tallied, and Allison delivers your Good News. Dana is out and about!
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Alison Gill
MSW Media hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Wednesday, July 2, 2025. Today, J.D. vance casts the tie breaking vote to pass the billionaire bailout bill which now heads back to the House for another vote. Donald Trump wants to use the Espionage act against members of the media. A Reagan appointed judge says he will not tolerate retribution against witnesses in an upcoming trial about whether or not he will block the government from targeting student activists. A new study reveals that the elimination of US aid could result in 14 million deaths over five years. An appeals court allows a previously detained researcher to remain free. Free. Justice Alito takes pride in gay bashing from the bench. And mom Donnie is officially the winner of the New York City mayoral primary after ranked choice voting is tallied. I'm your host Alison Gill. Hey everybody and welcome to all our new listeners. We have a ton of new listeners. Usually I have a co host, Dana Goldberg. Fuck yeah, usually co hosting. She will be back soon. She is out doing some work, important work raising money to help protect our communities. But welcome, thank you for listening and thanks for joining us here on our little woman owned independent podcast with swearing. So I have two great interviews today. First, I'll be talking to the developer of the app Iceblock, which is now number one on the Apple App Store, beating Facebook, Twitter and well, everything. Now he attributes at least some of its success to you all Beans listeners. So we'll be speaking with him in a bit. And for those asking why the app is only available on Apple and not Android, let me just tell you, he says, sorry, there will be no Android version because there, there's no way to provide 100% anonymity. Each person's device ID would have to be stored and that information could become discoverable should the government issue a subpoena. Only iOS made this possible and completely protects the users. So there's a very good reason for that. And I just wanted to put that out there because already before this interview has even aired, a lot of people have been asking that question. Also later in the show, I'm going to be speaking with John Moses. He's co founder of the Massachusetts Afghan alliance or Mass Afghan Alliance. And you don't want to miss that conversation. Conversation either. So before we get to the hot notes, a couple of good docket decisions today. First, by a vote of 2 to 1, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled that Badar Khan Suri, that's the Georgetown University researcher arrested in March by massed Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents outside his home in Arlington, Virginia, he can remain free while he fights his deportation. Elsewhere on the docket, Judge Young, a Reagan appointee, warns that he will not tolerate any retribution against witnesses. In an upcoming trial to determine whether he will block the Trump administration from targeting student activists, he wrote, quote, this court is a safe place. The plaintiffs and their witnesses may fully participate in the trial process without fear of retribution, knowing they are protected by this court's order. Indeed, were there to be any violation traceable to any of these defendants, that's the government, it would prove the plaintiff's case. Likewise, law enforcement officers testifying about enforcement of the laws passed by the Congress of the United States will receive the same courtesy and respect that has long been a hallmark of this court. Any retribution from any quarter by anyone will be met with the full rigor of the court's resources. You can read the full story by Adam Klassfeld at All Rise News. Also on the docket, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals panel declines to stay a permanent injunction voiding Trump's removal of consumer Project safety commissioners. And this was a 3 to 0 ruling. So the commissioners remained reinstated. The judge rules Trump lacked the power to install a utility player. Pete Morocco, as acting chair of the African Development Foundation, Judge Richard Leon, a GW Bush appointee, blocked past and future actions by Morocco in that role. That's another good decision today from the courts. Something else going on in courtrooms right now. Diddy Sean Diddy Combs. The jury is back with verdicts on four of the counts, but they're hungry so far on the rico, the racketeering count, which tells me that Diddy is guilty on the other four counts, including sex trafficking and rape, because if they were not guilty on those, they wouldn't have a reason to wonder if the RICO count is, is good. So the judge ordered them to go back and continue to deliberate. They've been deliberating for a day and a half, so we'll see what they end up saying. One other thing that I can't not talk about is that Trump among all this after photo ops at his new concentration camp in Florida where he said to the media today that, oh, I guess, yeah, one of the deterrents for escape is that people will get eaten by alligators and panthers. So he's doing that. He's, you know, gonna go after the media for espionage. He's doing all this dictator shit. But he's also selling cologne, another violation of the emoluments clause that we're just too far past norms to worry about anymore, I guess. But I couldn't stop thinking of this clip from Anchorman.
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Dana Goldberg
Time to musk up.
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Joshua Aaron
What cologne you gonna go with?
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Alison Gill
London Gentleman or.
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Dana Goldberg
No, no, no.
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Joshua Aaron
Hold on. Blackbeard's Delight.
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Alison Gill
No, she gets a special cologne. It's called Victory by Trump.
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Dana Goldberg
It's illegal in nine countries.
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Alison Gill
It's good. It's quite pungent. Oh, yeah.
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Joshua Aaron
It's a formidable scent. Stings the nostrils in a good way.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah.
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Joshua Aaron
Brian, I'm gonna be honest with you. That smells like pure gasoline.
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Alison Gill
They've done studies, you know, 60% of the time it works every time.
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Joshua Aaron
That doesn't make sense.
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Alison Gill
Well, let's go see if we can.
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Dana Goldberg
Make this little kitty purr.
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Alison Gill
Oh, my God. What does that smell? Oh, smells like a turd covered in burnt hair. Smells like Bigfoot's dick. And with that, we have news to get to. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right, first up, and this is the take I've been waiting for by the person I had been hoping would write it. To read the entire piece, you can head to the nation for Elie Mestal's latest. He writes in part. On Friday, the Supreme Court gave bigoted parents their biggest legal gift of the Trump era. In Mahmoud v. Taylor, the court ruled that parents can opt their children out of public school education that doesn't comport with their religious hang ups. The vote was 6 to 3 and broke along the usual bigot versus liberal lines. @ issue in the case were picture books for children. A group of parents from Montgomery County, Maryland, a D.C. area suburb that is home to one of the largest public school districts in the nation, objected to various picture books that depicted gay and transgender people existing. The religious objections to these books, brought by parents of Muslim, Catholic, and Ukrainian Orthodox faith, was that reading kids books where LGBTQ people are depicted as people who exist in society and are normal freaking people, offends God. That's it. There was no obscenity argument or any other even lightly credible claim that these books weren't appropriate for children. The simple existence of LGBTQ people in these books was enough to offend these parents, and they sued the school to be able to take their children out of any classes that include these or similar stories. There was a time in this country when such threadbare legal arguments would fail in a court of law, and these parents did, in fact, lose when their case went before the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. But we live in a theocracy run by six unelected law priests. At the Supreme Court, writing for the majority, Sam Alito found the First Amendment's protection of the free exercise of religion allows these religious parents to change the public school curriculum for their children. He ruled that parents are entitled to be notified in advance about any text that might offend their religious sensibilities and that after receiving such notice, they must be allowed to pull their kids out of the lesson. Alito's opinion is flatly homophobic. There's no other way to put it. Alito is hysterically concerned about pronouns, repeated uses of scare quotes around the acronym lgbtq, and consistently mischaracterizes the books at issue. As part of his supporting evidence, Alito includes pictures from the books in his opinion, pictures that, to the normal eye drop, merely show LGBTQ people existing. But Alito also includes them as evidence of the deeply subversive nature of these books. Here's how Alito describes Uncle Bobby's wedding, a story about a man who gets married to another man, as told through the eyes of his niece. The atmosphere is jubilant after Uncle Bobby and his boyfriend announced their engagement. Everyone was smiling and talking and crying and laughing. The book's main character, Chloe, does not share this excitement. I don't understand, she exclaims. Why is Uncle Bobby getting married? The book is coy about the precise reason for Chloe's question, but the question is used to tee up a direct message to young readers. Bobby and Jamie love each other, said Mummy. When grown up people love each other that much, sometimes they get married. The book therefore presents a specific, if subtle, message about marriage. It asserts that two people can get married regardless of whether they are the same or opposite sex, so long as they can, quote, love each other. Now, Ellie continues to be clear. The book is not coy about why Chloe is worried. She thinks that by getting married, Uncle Bobby will have less time to play with her. That's the plot line in roughly 11 billion children's books. It is the plot in every children's story about remarriage after death or divorce. It's the plot in every children's story about the introduction of a new sibling. Sometimes you see the plot where a dog gets jealous about the family's new baby or a new pet. It's more or less the plot of the entire Billion Dollar Toy Story franchise. Getting replaced when adults make new connections is a universal fear of children. Helping them conquer that fear has proven to be great fodder for children's stories. Alito is the one being coy. He's trying to suggest that Chloe shares his bigoted retrograde views on gay marriage without remembering that children are not born broken and curdled like Alito is. Chloe doesn't care that Uncle Bobby is gay. Alito does. And that's why Alito thinks the book can be drummed out of public schools. He gets to the heart of his point here. Quote the book's narrative arc reaches its peak with the actual event of Uncle Bobby's wedding, which is presented as a joyous event that is met with universal approval. And again, there are many Americans who would view this event in that way, and it goes without saying that they have every right to do so. But other Americans wish to present a different moral message to their children and their ability to present that message is undermined when the exact opposite message is positively reinforced in the public school classroom at a very young age. Unquote yes, Sam, the book presents a gay wedding as something to be universally approved. The point of the book is to reinforce the message at a very young age that being an evil bigot is not cool. How I wish someone would have read Uncle Bobby's Wedding to Sam Alito when he was a young child. The entire country might have been saved from his unhinged bile. Now that's just a part of this piece in the Nation by Ellie Mistahl. Go check it out. You have to read it for yourself. Next up from CNN, U.S. secretary of State Marco Rubio hailed the end of USAID, the U.S. agency for International Development Tuesday as a new analysis found that its demolition could contribute to 14 million deaths in the next five years. Quote, the era of government sanctioned inefficiency has officially come to an end under the Trump administration. We will finally have a foreign funding mission in America that prioritizes our national interests. That's what Rubio said in a post on Substack on Tuesday, quote, as of July 1, USAID will officially cease to implement foreign assistance. Foreign assistance programs that align with administration policies in which advance American interests will be administered by the State Department where they will be delivered with more accountability, strategy and efficiency, he said. The rapid destruction of USAID led by Musk backed Department of Government Efficiency, so called right doge, has seen thousands of foreign assistance programs slashed, including many focused on life saving work. A study published Monday in the Lancet estimates that USAID funding and the cuts to that funding actually could result in more than 14 million additional deaths by the year 2030. Nearly a third of those deaths, more than 4.5 million, are estimated to be children younger than five. Authors of the study said that the effects of the funding cuts, quote, would be similar in scale to a global pandemic or a major armed conflict. Next up from Rolling Stone, Donald Trump hates leakers. He isn't a fan of journalists either. He wants to punish them both. In response to reporting that early Pentagon intelligence found the administration's recent strikes against Iran weren't as effective as the president had been claiming. Quote, they should be prosecuted. That's what Trump said when Maria Bartiromo of Fox Business asked him about his contention that Democrats leaked the intelligence, adding that the administration could attempt to force reporters to reveal their sources by saying national security. One of the ways Trump has discussed cracking down on leakers and the press is by wielding the espionage act, the 1917 law criminalizing the dissemination of sensitive information that could harm U.S. national security or aid a foreign nation. In the months leading up to his second presidency, Trump and several of his advisors and close allies talked about novel ways that the Espionage act could be unleashed, not just against government leakers and whistleblowers, but against media outlets that receive classified or highly sensitive information. And that's according to two sources involved with the conversations with Trump. Quote, why not the press? Trump has said one of the sources told this to Rolling Stone when commenting on how in his mind, it makes absolutely no sense that the law has traditionally been used to prosecute leakers, but not journalists who publish confidential national security disclosures like WikiLeaks. Anyway, Trump's desire to weaponize the Espionage act hasn't abated six months into his second term. If anything, it's intensified in recent days amid prolonged meltdowns over the intel leak about the strikes against Iran to outlets like CNN and the New York Times. The president has privately brought up using the Espionage act on reporters. Again, that's according to one of the sources and also a senior Trump administration official. The president's lieutenants are listening and, per the administration official, looking for the right case to launch their maiden voyage of an unprecedented type of Espionage act prosecution, one which would also serve to broadly intimidate news organizations when it comes to publishing classified government information or protecting the identities of their confidential sources. Any Espionage act prosecution of a journalist or media outlet simply for publishing information that made Trump mad enough would be a dark, significant escalation that would invariably face numerous First Amendment challenges. But still, Trump and some of his lieutenants felt they could have cracked down harder during his first four years in office, and they're now hoping to make up for lost time. Quote, oh, it'll be brutal. That's what a conservative lawyer close to Trump said in December of his coming blitz against the press whistleblowers and anonymous leakers quote, we've learned our lessons from the first time and one lesson is you have got to be even more aggressive. Next up from Politico, Zoran Mamdani appeared to easily secure a victory in New York City's Democratic mayoral primary Tuesday, defeating Cuomo 56 to 44. That's after ranked choice voting results were released by the New York City Board of elections. Mamdani, the 33 year old Democratic Socialist assembly member, was already all but certain to win the primary after preliminary election night results on June 24 showed him with a seven point lead over Cuomo, the former governor. Today's results put him well over the 50% threshold needed to win with only a fraction of ballots left to count. Last Tuesday, Democrats spoke in a clear voice, delivering a mandate for an affordable city, a politics of the future, and a leader unafraid to fight back against rising authoritarianism. That's what Mandani said in a statement on Tuesday. I am humbled by the support of more than 545,5000 New Yorkers who voted for our campaign. And I'm so excited to expand this coalition even further as we defeat Eric Adams and win a city government that puts working people first. All right, everybody, it's time for some good trouble. What are you guys doing? Our good trouble today comes from a past guest that we've had on the Daily Beans. Her name is Eliza Orlens. We had her on when she was running to be the Manhattan District Attorney. She did this incredible thing with pushback against the billionaire bailout bill where she listed the senators and local businesses like one in Maine that donated to Susan Collins, for example, and had folks protest those businesses to get the point across to the senators they donate to. It seemed to have worked in the case of Susan Collins, who did eventually vote no on the bill. So now the bill heads back to the House and here is the message from Eliza Orleans.
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John Moses
Okay, folks, as you've probably seen by now, the big ugly disaster bill did in fact pass the Senate. But this fight is far from over. I'm Eliza Orleans, career public defender for 15 years in Manhattan, and this fight is moving on to the House. And as you can see, I've already started a spreadsheet with the House list of targets and donors and we are populating it now and we'll be giving out out assignments today. But I just want to say before we move on that what you did mattered. We were able to delay this bill. We were able to extract concessions that will make differences in the lives of so many people. And the mobilization that we did with Hammond Lumber may have ultimately changed Susan Collins's vote. So thank you. Thank you to everyone out there who's engaging, who's mobilizing, who still cares so much, and who understands how damn damaging this bill is. That delay, that 26 hours that they spent on the floor gave us time to mobilize, to extract pressure, to extract concessions, and to expose the harm that this bill is doing and to build momentum. And now it's going back to the House. So first and foremost, if you see your representative on this list, here's the rest of it. You need to call them. But if you're not represented by one of these people, then what I'm going to need you to do is participate in our online pressure. And we are going to be coming on strong. So please make sure you're following me. I will be posting updates. And the fight continues.
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Alison Gill
All right, everybody, that's your good trouble. Find and follow Eliza Orleans to get that list of donors to put pressure on where you live. Make sure to download that 5 calls app and keep calling. This cannot pass the House. We'll be right back with the developer of the ICE Blog app, which just this morning hit number one in the Apple App Store, beating out Threads, Telegram, WhatsApp, Facebook, everything. You don't want to miss this interview. Stick around. We'll be right back after these messages. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody, here's a fun fact. Over 100 million Americans have allergies, and a big chunk of us deal with pet allergens. I am a cat person through and through, as you know, over educated, single, childless cat lady. But there are days when I feel like I have to pick between breathing and cuddling. I get, you know, watery eyes, sometimes itchy eyes. Plus, I have a lot of really good friends that are allergic to cats. But that is all a thing of the past, thanks to packaging. We've been waiting. Cat owners have been waiting for this forever. This podcast is sponsored by packagen. Owning a cat doesn't have to mean endless itching and sneezing. Yet almost 20% of people suffer from cat allergies, and three in four people aren't happy with their current allergy solutions. Packagen's Cat Allergen Neutralizing Spray targets the allergens around your home that trigger your cat allergies and breaks them down so you and your family and friends can live and breathe in peace. For 25% off your order order and a special gift, head to packagen.com dailybeans packagen's cat allergen neutralizing spray targets feld one. That's the protein in cat saliva that causes most allergies. Their whisker block protein binds to those allergens and neutralizes them. Science. So no chemicals, no weird scents, just science that actually helps. I started using it several weeks ago on everything that my cats touch and I felt relief within days. I didn't have the constant vacuum cleaner going. I didn't have to hide in another room. The cats are happy. I'm finally comfortable again. My friends can come visit. It's amazing. Packagen was created by researchers from elite universities. It's backed by Science Science and approved by vets and trusted by thousands of pet lovers. Also, if you deal with dog allergies or dust allergies, packagen has you covered with sprays for those too. And if you're skeptical, they have a 30 day money back guarantee. So there's no risk. I took the chance. Now I'm back to living with fur and breathing easy. Your pets aren't just pets, they're family. So get the relief you need with packaging. Head to packaging.com dailybeans for an extra 25% off your order and an exclusive gift for listeners at checkout. That's Packagen. P A C A G E N.com dailybeans for an extra 25% off your order and an exclusive gift one last time. That's packaging.com dailybeans for an extra 25% off and an exclusive gift. Auto applied at checkout. You'll be glad you did. Hey everybody. Welcome back. I'm super excited about this interview. Our next guest had decades, still decades in the music business as both a musician in bands like the Rosenbergs and Stealing Heather. Producer and engineer with Audiolot Studios. He's released multiple albums, toured the world. His music's been featured in numerous television shows and movies. But beyond music, our next guest has been heavily involved in the world of technology, heading up companies like Bootbox and all you chart. But nowadays he's spending his time coding apps to help people. And his latest app is called Ice Block. We've talked about it here on the show. It's garnering massive attention nationwide now. Please welcome Joshua Aaron. Hey, Josh.
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Joshua Aaron
Hey, thanks for having me.
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Alison Gill
Can I call you Josh? Or is it Joshua? Do you prefer Joshua?
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Joshua Aaron
Honestly, I actually prefer Joshua, if that's okay.
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Alison Gill
Nope, I got it. That's totally fine. I will call you whatever you want to be called, my friend. This Ice Block. So our listeners are now familiar with Ice Block? Because, as you know, we've talked about this on the show before. Before, but now it's getting some attention from the undesirables recently mentioned this week, I think, by Kristi Noem, Tom Holman. Talk about that. We'll first of all talk about Ice Block. What, you know, how you. How you got it off the ground and what it does. And then. And then let's talk about the attention that it's getting.
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Joshua Aaron
Sure. Well, I mean, how I got it off the ground. I'm going to say to your listeners right off the bat, I got it off the ground because of you, Allison. You helped. You were amazing with this. And of all the interviews I've done, I gotta say, like, the CNN one was huge. But, like, I was really excited for this interview. So I so appreciate you having me on and us getting a chance to talk to your listeners and share with them all the cool stuff that I've done and that you're helping to get the word out about. What is Ice Block? Your users know what Ice Block is, right? Crowdsourced app, iPhone only. Let's show everybody where ICE is so that people can avoid them. Let's protect them and their communities and spread it far and wide. So that's what Ice Block is, how I got the idea. You know, when you look at the world falling apart and you know this guy that everybody goes, how could he possibly be doing this? And. And you think to yourself, are you delusional? He told you all this in campaign trail. He literally attacked his own capital. Of course he's going to do this. And when you see it playing out in real time, you go, what am I going to do? I got to fight back. I got to do something. And so I said, hey, this is a pretty good idea. Let's do that. And, well, yeah, now I'm getting all the attention that I so desperately wanted. Let me tell you that.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, we always find ourselves in interesting positions. I thought I was going to be working for the Department of Veterans affairs and telling dick jokes at night as a comedian and a musician for forever. And then you find yourself in interesting situations based on things that, you know, need to be done. It reminds me of when Henry Rollins said, you know, this is punk rock time. This is what Joe Strummer trained you for. And so talk about how your background as a musician lends to what you're doing here, because I think it's important that, you know, I want folks to understand that whatever you do, whatever you are known for doing, whatever you spent your time doing. There is an application in the resistance for it.
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Joshua Aaron
That's true. That is absolutely a true way to say it. So I started with the Rosenbergs. I mean, that's where I guess I made my name, so to speak. I hate to say that sounds so egotistical to say that, but okay, fine. That's where people may best know me from. I was a bass player in this really cool power pop band. Put out multiple records. We did all kinds of cool stuff, but most importantly, when I joined the band, and I joined just after the second record, so I was kind of late to the game in that band, but I really pushed for political speech. We would stop our shows. We would talk about stuff. I remember playing Summerfest in Milwaukee with Guster and the Rosenbergs, and Guster went out and saw Fahrenheit 9, 11 that day. We just went to the movies together, and that was really cool. And of course, they had a much bigger audience than we did. Let's not kid ourselves at the time. But it was cool because there was such a huge crowd and we were able to talk about what was going on and. And, you know, what was happening overseas, and people really responded to it. And then we organized the Million Band March on Washington, which, you know, the Onion featured us in, and that was really, really cool. I love the onions. So I was kind of beat out over that. You know, our faces plastered across the print version. By the way, for your listeners who don't know, there was at one time something called a print version of a magazine, and it had actual pages that you turn. So, yeah, we were.
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Alison Gill
It's back now. The onions. Print is back now.
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Joshua Aaron
No. Is it really?
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Alison Gill
It is. Yeah. They're putting it out in print again.
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Joshua Aaron
Okay, that's. That's awesome.
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Alison Gill
It's like releasing vinyl. It's like releasing vinyl.
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Joshua Aaron
It's awesome.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, but this is happening everywhere. Artists, comedians. We see the Dropkick Murphy's do this when they do their shows because it's, you know, politics and music and art. Art and music are resistance, and they go hand in hand with politics.
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Joshua Aaron
So we're the degenerates, right? I mean, we're the ones that, like, bucked soc growing up. We're the ones that didn't conform. We're the outcasts. And so, you know, sure, you get the musicians, the artists. I mean, whether it's painting or acting or whatever. Yeah. We don't conform. And, you know, when something comes up that we don't like, we tend to want to use our platform and our voice to try to right that wrong or help people as much as possible. At least a lot of us do. I mean, I'm sure not everybody, but I do and I know you do.
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Alison Gill
So our listeners do. We have tons of makers and creators who use their talents to fight back. And we see examples of it every day in the listener submitted good news, for example, whether it's art or knitting or whatever it is, somebody's out there doing something for the greater good. And I think that that's amazing and awesome. And so let's talk a little bit now about this kind of blew up this week. Talked to Time magazine, you've talked to cnn. And now your app is on the lips of folks like Kristi Noem and Tom Homan. What, what are they saying about you? And, and what has been the response?
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Joshua Aaron
Yeah, I think we, I think the, the tipping point was in a question got asked the White House briefing yesterday and Caroline Levitt had to respond in real time about it. So, yeah, gnome performative, whatever she's going to say. Whatever she's going to say. But you know, Homan, look, you're running one of the most cruel organizations around and you're doing it under the guise of we're saving you from violent criminals and some 500% increase in assaults. Which by the way, your host Alison here, amazing, posted a month ago, this 413% garbage that they were saying is because there were, what would you say there were seven assaults in four years. And they're like all of our ICE agents are in danger now. Oh my God.
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Alison Gill
Right. And then Philip Bump picked it up for Washington Post. And then today, actually on Tuesday, it was confirmed what the actual numbers were. It went from 10 to 41 or something along those lines, 41 in four years.
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Joshua Aaron
And I'm just going to venture a guess to say like 35, 34 of those were like somebody patting them on the back.
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Alison Gill
Right. Like what Lamonica McIver is being accused of and has been indicted for assaulting ICE off officers. And you know, especially in the shadow of what happened on January 6, 140 officers actually assaulted people being taken through due process, which is all we want for everyone, and found guilty of these crimes or pleading guilty to these crimes and then them all being wiped away by this president who wants to take due process away from us and call a brush with a forearm an assault on police officers. It's pretty astounding. But, but I mean, it's where we're at.
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Joshua Aaron
It is. But we're Watching fascism and authoritarianism take hold. We're watching the alt right, which is. I mean, they say alt right, it's like calling it alt rock, and then it's now become mainstream rock, right? So it was alt right. Now it's just the right. This is what these people stand for. I wish your listeners could see me because as Allison is saying all of this stuff, I'm going, yes, of course, with my hands here.
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Alison Gill
We're not quite to video podcasting yet. Soon, soon, but not quite.
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Joshua Aaron
We're gonna get there. Nobody wants to see my face anyways. It's. But to answer your question, that, you know, how do I feel about it? I mean, let me tell you, you know, when. When the administration that you rail against goes, we're going to start talking about your name and start talking about prosecuting you, and you know what their followers are like. And again, go back to January 6th, right? Whatever they say they're going to do, they're going to rise up against. And hey, look, I'll tell your listeners a story. Just before this interview, about an hour before, we had a really crappy car pull into our driveway and just sit there, and I walked right out on the front porch and just screamed at him, can I help you? And this lady got out of the car, and I swear I recognized her from, like, X or something, you know, where. You know where they post, like, pictures of themselves on their profiles. And I swear she looks so familiar. And the minute she saw me stare her down, she got right back in her car and left, but circled our block three different times and then drove away. So it's real. You know, when I was doxed a couple of weeks ago, home addresses out there, you know, you hold on to your family a little tighter and you prepare a little bit more. But I have a very cool puppy, and she is a great watchdog, and I have a really cool wife. So, you know, she's on board and we're doing what we can to protect ourselves. Let them say whatever they want. That's the reality. I mean, they're just spouting their stuff. They know they have nothing, right? It's just like them going after cnn. They have nothing on me because there's nothing illegal about Ice Block. There's nothing illegal about creating an app to identify where law enforcement is. If there was, Waze would be under indictment. Apple Maps would be under indictment. It's all bullshit. This is news with swearing. So I could say that, right?
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Alison Gill
Yes.
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Joshua Aaron
Okay, cool. But, yeah, it is. It's all. And they know, they have nothing on me. And so now you hear, like, things today where Christy Gnome is like, you know, we're gonna try and see if Pam Bondi is behind us on this where it's like, Pam Bondi's like, you know, on TV last night on Hannity going like, you know, Joshua, and then we're gonna come get him. So, you know, what do you mean, if she's on board? Apparently she's on board. But now they don't even know what case they have, so now they're going to demonize CNN, which is an easy target. And CNN's like, yeah, fuck you. We've added this. Who cares?
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And then you add on top of it what Donald Trump said today, which he's been saying since well before the election. He campaigned on it, as a matter of fact, that he's going to go after the enemy within American citizens to try to find some sort of an emergency power to declare, you know, us part of some terrorist organization so that, you know, he could strip us of our due process and, you know, maybe send us to third countries, which the Supreme Court just allowed him to do. So. Yeah. With all that weighing on your mind, I want to just say I'm really appreciative of the work that you're doing and that anybody who wants to download ICE Block, and my, my assumption is, is it's like ways like you said, you go on if, like if you're driving around in your neighborhood and you see an ICE raid somewhere, you can put it up on ICE block to alert your neighbors, right?
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Joshua Aaron
Yeah, 100% anonymous too. Like there are no user accounts, there's no data collected or even captured. It's all security on device. Like, you don't have to worry. So if you report, we don't know who you are. I get asked all the time, like, where are your users? Or how many reports have you got? We have no idea because I don't track this stuff. There's no tracking on this. It is just completely crowdsourced, anonymous report where ICE has been cited so that you can alert people within a five mile radius of their location and hopefully, you know, save somebody's life. So that, I mean, that's what we're all about, is protecting people.
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Alison Gill
Awesome. So always you're not collecting a bunch of data and selling it to data brokers for a profit. Oh, amazing.
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Joshua Aaron
Yeah, I know, right, right. You're always the product, right? No, not in this case. But huge news. And I got to tell you listeners just today because honestly, I Woke up and I kind of threw up a little bit. We are the number one app in social networking on the Apple App Store. We literally beat Facebook and Discord and all these, like gigantic platforms. Ice Block is number one. It has been since early, early this morning and it's still number one right now. And those charts move throughout the day. It's crazy what is happening right now. And to all of the users out there using Ice Block and helping protect their communities, thank you. All I can say is thank you, thank you, thank you for helping spread the word. Please keep doing it. Go on the App Store. You know, I do have to mention that, you know, the magazines are trying to, to take it down. They're giving one star reviews. They're giving bullshit reviews about, you know, it doesn't work or it promotes doxing or, you know, this is illegal. You know, whatever the stupid thing that they're saying. Next is, please go on the App Store, give it a five star review. If you think it deserves it, give it a great review, write it up. We would so appreciate it. So just. Yeah, thank you to everybody.
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Alison Gill
Well, that is your good trouble, everybody download the Ice app, go and give it a five star rating and make sure it stays up and running. And I'm glad that we talked about this a couple weeks ago on the Daily Beans and started getting people into it. And I feel like the listeners of this program had a little bit to do with that. So I really appreciate you coming on and talking to us today and please let us know if you need anything and we'll have you back on again, I'm sure, soon, in the future to see how it's going.
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Joshua Aaron
Thank you so much for having me on. It was an absolute pleasure.
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Alison Gill
All right, everybody, we have another interview coming up after the break with John Moses from Mass Afghan Alliance. You don't want to miss this interview. Stick around. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody, welcome back. You know, here on the Daily Beans, I'm a veteran and I know a lot of veterans and we've been talking a lot about how this administration is abandoning our Afghan allies that helped us for years, for decades, and wanting to denaturalize them, take away their temporary protected status, send them back to Afghanistan where they will most likely be captured and beaten because the Taliban has taken over since the withdrawal. And joining me today is the co founder of something called the Massachusetts Afghan alliance, trying to solve these problems and help Afghanis in the United States and in Massachusetts. Please welcome the co founder of Mass Afghan Alliance, John Moses. Hi, John, how are you?
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Dana Goldberg
Great. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate having the opportunity to speak about these families and what some of them are going through.
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Alison Gill
Yes, I'm very glad to talk to you too. Did I get everything right in that introduction? Did I miss anything?
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Dana Goldberg
You absolutely nailed it. I really appreciate the introduction. I think one other thing that's important is I'm a veteran of Afghanistan, and so my experience with Afghans is very personal. I think that's the only thing I'd have.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, let's talk about that. Because what started. How mass Afghan alliance got off the ground is your personal story, starting with the day of the withdrawal from Afghanistan. So talk about that. Well, I mean, it started way back when, you know, a long time ago as a veteran, having been and, you know, been in Afghanistan. But talk. Talk about what prompted you to. To set up the Mass Afghan alliance.
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Dana Goldberg
Absolutely. So when Afghanistan collapsed, when everything came tumbling down on August 15, 2021, I was sitting at home. I had been done. I was almost done with the Army. I had just retired, actually, from the Army Reserves. So I was out of the army at the time. I had done my time in Afghanistan. I'd kind of moved on in my life. And at some point on August 15th, my interpreter reached out to me. He's in the U.S. he's a U.S. citizen. But he said, hey, man, my brother's there. My family's there. This person's there. Which ended up sparking, essentially, me standing up and finding a bunch of other people together here in the US to kind of guide these Afghans through that incredibly turbulent period, through that airport, and eventually to the US and it was work we were really proud of, and we got 68 people through that airport gate onto flights somewhere to the US Eventually. But what we saw was. And what I started to see was I started to see Afghans in Massachusetts, right? And I would see some Afghans will land with these great, you know, great conditions. Some would land with no volunteers and no money, and some would have, you know, all this. It was just different for every single person. But they were joyous, and they were happy to be here for the most part, and they really wanted to come in and do the work. So we would come in, we would support them with the programs, and we would support them with events to make them feel part of the community. And we also supported volunteers who dealt with and worked with these families through a lot of stress. One particular type of family, that mass Afghan. And so where mass Afghan came from, essentially, was that that Idea of, let's find a way to bring people to Massachusetts, make these former allies our friends, show the community why we loved Afghans, like our Vietnamese brothers and sisters that came from the Vietnam War. And so I was lucky enough to become a Hoover veteran fellow. So I went through that process. They helped me build Mass Afghan. We've been active now as a 501 seat since last October. The most difficult cases we handle. And we just got some updates today, which we can talk about reunification families that were separated at the airport, so they were pulled apart over four years now, and many of those families are still not reunited. And we found out today that they are affected by the travel ban. So we have families with, like, a dad and a son here in the US and, you know, 10 people over on the other side of the. The ocean. So that's kind of where Mass Afghan came from. Those are the people we helped. And. And thank you. That was a lot.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. No, let's talk about all the advocacy to get temporary protected status for Afghans and. And that long process and. And all of the wins, you know, over the past five years and now a lot of that. I'm interested in how Mass Afghan alliance is dealing with some of the Trump administration executive orders and travel bans, like you said, or revoking temporary protected status for tens of thousands of Afghans in the United States. That I think for, you know, there's a lot that's gone on with this administration that has upset veterans. But I have to say, at least in my communities and the veterans circles that I belong to, the abandoning of temporary protected status for our Afghan allies has been one of the most upsetting to United States veterans. So talk a little bit about how Mass Afghan alliance is helping veterans use their voice to oppose these policies.
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Dana Goldberg
Absolutely. So I speak constantly on this. I think one of the things I think a lot of people don't realize is depending on your status was how really dependent on how much money you got from. From the federal government. Well, here's the thing about Afghans is the federal government said, we're no longer helping you. You know what American veterans did? We said, okay, we'll raise our own money. Right. So people like TPS or like even SIVs, now, anybody that is has the ability to make it through the process is not funded on their own. They're typically funded by, like, veterans and volunteers and people that will raise their own money. It doesn't even cost the taxpayer anything to move these TPS people. And then they get here and they have to go through a really grueling process, a traumatic process where they relive their trauma over and over and over again for interviews. And Afghanistan is just not a safe place to return to. I still have families. I personally take care of one Siv family, He was an interpreter. He's in a safe house in Kabul and taking care of another family in Pakistan. He's the husband of a US Citizen, which he'll probably get through, but it's still not really easy. But the point is, is that it cost Americans nothing and it costs veterans everything, including sometimes their lives for these Afghan people. So when I talk to veterans, I go on TV locally, I talk to Trump supporters and I look, I'm not some, you know, I'm not a, like, I am a Democrat, but I'm not some left wing. I'm just a conservative Democrat who retired from the army and wanted to give, to have the same opportunity to love the people that I took care of in Afghanistan like my Vietnam veteran brothers and sisters and others did. Right. And they just took that away from us. They took it away from us and they took it away from those Afghans. TPS are the most vulnerable people.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Now, are you seeing what I'm seeing as a veteran, active in the veteran community? Are you seeing what I'm seeing with the outrage among veterans and is that growing into some sort of a coalition that could effectively push back on these policies?
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, I'll speak out directly. 5051 every, they have 50 chapters across the U.S. but like in Massachusetts, I'm working with 5051 specifically with the veterans. Veterans are really upset. I, I, this is the rejection, this is the wholesale rejection of an entire generation of veterans, the GWOT generation. We built a military and a friendship with people based on what our country asked us to do. How could you not be outraged when your entire country rejects you and rejects all of the things you loved and the army you built even outside of Afghans? I mean, the whole army and the whole military structure is changing in the tone and the culture. And it's a full on rejection of everything we cared about, everything we fought for. And it's an absolute rejection of those people that saved American lives. Right?
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And so what do you think? I'm so glad you're working with 50:51. And I guess what would be your, what would you want to say to other veterans who might not have known or are just learning about this and what they can do, you know, short of going back in time to 2021 and being on the Ground and, you know, at the gate, what can veterans do? And also people listening who aren't veterans but know veterans, how to educate them on what's happening. And also to take it further, what you mentioned, the change in the morale of our current military, how they're, how they're kind of destroying, like you said, everything that has been built by the past generation of members of the military.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, I think it's, it's, it's astonishing to me. It's astonishing to me that people support this. Right. So one of the things I keep telling people is all the. Outside of immigration, all this stuff. I'll tell you something else that they've really done. You know, all these federal workers they're firing. That's. That's, again, that's our generation. Right. That's, that's another thing that is pointed at our generation that they're just willing to destroy. They literally. We built all these things. They destroyed it. Morale in the units is tough. I had, when they started, one of the very first things that I saw, and if you want to talk about rage, there was two things that happened. They came out with the rule change for sexual assault reporting, which was something that our generation worked so hard to not even get perfectly right. Right. Worked so hard to just get it to be okay. And they ripped that up. The same day I read that the DNC in Washington had a conga line, and I couldn't believe the disparity in what's happening in the world that we built. And like the political class in this country, it was really shocking to me. And the EOs are directly targeted at us. And I feel like for veterans out there for advice, one of the things I've learned is that when you stand up next to somebody else, you figure out your voice matters and your voices absolutely matter. And we've managed to get some small changes within these cases and to help some families even despite this absolute blackness we're facing. So stand up, find your 50, 51 representative. There are people there that care, that remember their oath, and they understand that your oath was to the Constitution and not somebody else.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. We also had a story on about a week ago about veterans in a battle buddy program, actually escorting people to and from their immigration hearings, because as we know right now, Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security, which, by the way, is so gone far, far off the rails from what it was designed to do after 9, 11. But. But we have veterans now escorting immigrants to and from because DOJ is dismissing their cases so they can immediately Rearrest them for expedited deportation. And, and I think that those kinds of programs can also be found when you find your local coalitions, your local Indivisible Local 50, 51, to see what you can do as a veteran or, or somebody who knows a veteran to help prevent this stuff.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, absolutely. I think the biggest thing for us is to stand together and stand strong. Right. I'm in Massachusetts and I'm really contending with the fact now that I brought Afghans here to my home state. I'm a Massachusetts boy through and through. Right. And I brought these people here because I thought they were going to be safe and they were going to be loved. And I thought, despite all signs pointing otherwise, that I knew he was going to go after Haitians. And all of that is still terrible. But I thought maybe there was this inkling of a bunch of veterans that were still in that White House that had the ear of the president, but it's obvious he doesn't. If he's continuing on this route, I think the response and the backlash from veterans will be pretty loud. And I think there's a lot of people, like I said, a lot of people working against it right now, trying to figure out ways to help escorting people. That's something a veteran can do. Figure out how to sign up, go to your local Unitarian church or your local churches, find out what programs they have, because some of them have veteran programs for immigrants. Right. There are a million ways to help. And all you gotta do is put up, you know, put on your boots and go walk around and find the people that are willing to listen.
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Alison Gill
Love it. Now, before I let you go, I have to ask what you thought of the military birthday parade. Squeaky, squeaky tank army, not marching in time parade. Because my friends and I, some former Army, I'm Navy, so we didn't really do much of that stuff. But, you know, we did march in basic training, but a lot of folks were like, are they doing this on purpose? Is this some sort of a protest? Are they just kind of putting on a happier, more convivial face for the waving? Like, what, what, what happened there? Because Trump was really upset about it and he yelled. He took it out on Pete Hegseth for not having a, I guess, North Korean style military parade.
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Dana Goldberg
Because we're professional army, we don't practice marching. It's not like our thing. But I think the larger point there is what that's. So I was, I'm a retired, okay.
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Alison Gill
Get a bunch of guys who just got out of basic Get a bunch of drill guys.
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Dana Goldberg
You know, you want to get soft dudes like special forces operators out there. They don't want march. But no, I think what happened there, and I'm a retired E7. Me and my friends talked about this. A bunch of people got sucked away from their families for a weekend sucking crappy housing with bad food. Nobody wants to talk to them because everybody Madden DC. Right. And I absolutely 100% believe that was bare minimum compliance. That's what I. Because I mean, did you see that? I mean, imagine making somebody march past a bitcoin logo or Palantir logo. These guys just did what they had to do and grow everybody and they just got through it and will like get me out of here. I think that's my belief.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Having. Having spent a little bit of time in the military, not as much as you, I have to agree. Like, what is the minimally sat that I can be for this event? Basically.
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Joshua Aaron
Right.
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Dana Goldberg
I would admit. I mean, people, that's the thing. GI smelled coming from a mile away, especially the junior ranks. Right. They know when somebody's out for them or themselves. And that was all about somebody else. Right. So I, I'm glad and I'm proud of them for minimally complying with that order.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Same. Well, thank you so much. Will you tell everyone how they can find and support we, you know, we've talked about what people can do in their own communities, but where they can find, follow you and support Matt, the mass Afghan Alliance.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, absolutely. So massafghanalliance.org you can check Southern slash donate Right now we are raising for general funds and usage in the community. We're protecting Afghans, finding opportunities to pay, you know, just to help generally with clothing, whatever. But mostly what we're doing, we just received a grant and we're doing. We're doing some work around local events, private events now, because we are concerned about with ice and we would love to see any donation come in. So mass afghan alliance.org donate thank you so much.
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Alison Gill
It's been a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you for your service. And we'll check back in, in a couple of months to see how things are going and where we're at. So I appreciate your time today. John Moses, thank you so much.
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Dana Goldberg
Thank you so much.
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Alison Gill
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First of all, great name, great double meaning, great acronym. People can come and paint up to four signs for a donation of five to ten dollars. A wonderful group of women called the Eugene Message Makers plus local frame shops and art supply stores have donated materials to stock our stations with all the right stuff, including boards, permanent markers, acrylic paints and good lettering brushes. A few of us are there regularly to help people make signs. It's a wonderful community resource and it's a lot of fun, especially just ahead of larger rallies. It helps Mecca with donations but also more people are now aware of this great community resource. Plus everyone's grateful to be with a group of like minded folks while making their signs for the next protest. People also make signs to give away at the rallies. It's a win win on all counts. This is incredible. Look at these wonderful pictures everybody. If you're thinking about what you can do in your area, this is it right here. 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I have a collection of disabilities and generally when you're disabled you can't always meet people who get it. So this conference was a wonderful time. Anonymous Pet Tax this is Bentley, the scruffy white one and Stein, the scruffy black one. Bentley is an old man around 13 years. Stein is around one year now. Both are rescues and they look out for each other. Even if Bentley wasn't too excited about a nosy puppy at first, now he'll do things like bark for Stein when his ball rolls under the couch or lets Stein lick his face until it's soaked. Here they are begging me for food. Anonymous this is wonderful. This is so wonderful. And shout out to the mom for driving 15 plus hours to Chicago finding cool places to go for that conference. Yeah, I think, you know I've said this a million times. The idea that you're not alone is one of the most powerful things. And for me that came when I had recorded a segment for the Invisible War. It came out in 2012. Oscar nominated documentary about military sexual trauma. And I hadn't told my story to anybody except my therapist. And so I was very, very nervous about telling it on camera. I didn't know how big the film would be or anything, but I thought, if I can just help one person, then it'll be worth it, right? And so I didn't know they invited me to the premiere. I didn't know how my interview was going to be used. I could have just completely ended up on the cutting floor. But the way that they use my interview was. Had such a huge impact on me that day changed my life, seeing what they did in the movie, because I was part of a montage of people, not just women, but people who had experienced mst, talking about what it was like to try to report what happened to us. And the same phrase I used, like, they asked me, like, what I was wearing, if I was married. They threatened to charge me with adultery because my attacker was married. They put that in a montage of a bunch of other people saying the exact same things that were said to them. And the minute I heard it, I was like, I'm not alone. I am not crazy. And I couldn't be gaslit about it anymore. It was very powerful and so anonymous. You know, being able to spend time with, you know, other people with these similar disabilities at that conference had to just be so empowering. So thank you for sharing that. And high five to your cool mom. And high five to you for being cool. These dogs are adorable, by the way. Next up from Steve. Good morning, Beans, Queens. I can't start my day without listening to news with swearing. During the July 1st show. When starting the good news, your list of topics to get to got to theses and dissertation titles. I had to rewind the show twice. I heard we want to hear about your feces and dissertation to people. That happens all the time. Steve, you aren't the first to write it about this. I. I know there's a lot of in D.C. and that may have been where you were going. It certainly would open a whole new area of good news, particularly for us older listeners. Send in your feces. In all seriousness, love the show. Keep it up. For my pet tariff, I've included my 12 rescue dogs. 12? Steve has 12. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 12. All right. I wrote in a few months ago and your producer suggested a photo of them all together. I remember this. That wouldn't work. Since some don't get along. The individual pictures on the wall will have to do. The other picture is Of Gunner. I adopted him nine years ago. He was 14 years old when his family dropped him at the pound. They said he was people aggressive. After hearing this, I drove over an hour to get him. At first they didn't want to release him because of the aggressive label, but ultimately they agreed. He's the sweetest boy. He fit in immediately with all the dogs at home and found a bed he loved. Unfortunately, he was very sick inside. Cancer had taken over many of his organs and after only two weeks, I had to let him go. As sad as I was to say goodbye so soon, I was glad to be with him at that time. I wish people who get pets understand that part. Part of that is being there for them up to the end. Love them from start to finish. That one got me, Steve. Thank you. There they are, all of them. Twelve on the wall. Fantastic. It's kind of a little sort of. What's the name of the dots? The Spuds Mackenzie dog. There's one of those but with like a dappled heeler coat. You got kind of a German shepherd looking dog, a lab looking dog. Kind of a part corgi looking guy or gal. Beagle. I see a beagle, I see a poodle. Look at all like an Akita mix. These are all just beautiful. Thank you so much for sending that. Oh, okay, got me there. Next up, Silent Doug. Hello, Beanie Ladies. I just want to say thank you. You bring a lot of joy in this, to the. Into this old punk's heart. I get out to every organized protest I can in Grand Rapids. I love Grand Rapids. I can't explain why Silent Doug, but I had such a good time there. I went there for a show. I had a show and then I went to my friend Ben Fold show. And then the night before I went to my friend, you know, the teenage dirtbag guys I went to, I went to their show and I had such an incredible time. It was very clean and manicured. It was a very beautiful city. Wheatis, by the way, that's the Teenage Dirt Bag band. And I remember being in one of the stores earlier in the day just to get some food and some, you know. Somebody was like, you from California? I was like, hi. How can you tell? They're like, yeah, you don't look like you're from around here. But they were very nice. Anyway, anyway, love Grand Rapids. So I go out to every organized protest I can in Grand Rapids, Michigan and support monetarily the organizations when I can, doing my best to raise some new generation. Good trouble. Keep up the good work and the good trouble. I'm sharing a fun beach photo of my family and one of my good girl Greta. A Doberman poodle. A doodle? No, no, because that's a. A doodle is different. A Doberman poodle. Haven't heard any mention of any good fight songs recently, but my suggestion is the Interrupters. Take back the power and the classic Guns of Brixton by the Clash. It's always a good one. Stay strong, be safe, and love to all of the Leguminati. Look at this very, very, very beautiful family. I love it on the beach. Of course, you're wearing like docs on the beach. The old punk rocker, full sleeve tattoos. Great looking dog there. Amazing silent dog. What a great life you've carved out for yourself. I love it. All right, next up from Sarah. Dear Beans Queens, I want to give a shout out to my next door neighbor who works at the CDC here in Atlanta. Things are really tough there these days, as you can imagine under the current regime. But Lori and all her colleagues show up every day and do their best to keep us all healthy. They really deserve our gratitude and our support. I couldn't agree more. Sarah, the other day you mentioned how much you like pandas. So for my pod pet tariff, I'm enclosing two photos I took on a recent trip trip to China. Sarah, awesome. Enjoy. Red panda. Red panda. Oh, there's a black and white panda. I'll send that one to Dana.
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I do like black and white pandas. Don't get me wrong, I'm just a red panda fanatic. Thank you so much. I really needed that good news. Please send it into us@dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. Thank you so much to John Moses and Joshua Aaron for talking to me today. I really appreciate it. I will be back in your ears tomorrow. Today there is a brand new episode of cleanup on L45 out. You don't want to miss it. We have a great interview in there with Ari Berman for Mother Jones about the Louisiana redistricting case that the Supreme Court punted. You don't want to miss that at all. It's a great conversation, so check it out. Clean up on aisle 45. It's free wherever you get your podcasts, just like all of our stuff is. Anyway, thank you so, so very much. I'll be back in your ears tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health health. And take care of your family. I've been ag and them's the Beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Alison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information please visit msw media. Com MSW Media.