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Monday, October 6th, 2025 Today, a Trump appointed judge has blocked the deployment of the National Guard in Portland; a woman is shot by a federal agent in Chicago; the administration is deporting a journalist here legally to El Salvador; a Texas megachurch pastor has pled guilty to sexually abusing a child; Portland police are fighting back against the invasion and are being investigated by the Department of Justice; Department of Education employees had their out of office replies changed without permission to blame Democrats for the shutdown; Apple takes the ICE Block app out of its App Store; Casey DeSantis’ non profit is under criminal investigation; the Trump administration is preparing to offer money to teenagers to self deport; an FBI agent has been fired for refusing to perp walk Jim Comey; journalists for three Alaskan newspapers quit after their stories about Charlie Kirk were taken down; Israel is accused of detaining Greta Thunberg in inhumane conditions; Sean Diddy ...
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MSW Media hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Monday, Oct. 6, 2025. Today a Trump appointed judge has blocked the deployment of National Guard in Portland. A woman has been shot by a federal agent in Chicago. The administration is deporting a journalist here legally to El Salvador. A Texas megachurch pastor has pled guilty to sexually abusing a child. Portland police are fighting back against the invasion and are being investigated by Pam Bondi's Department of Justice. Department of Education employees had their out of office email replies changed without permission to blame Democrats for the Trump shutdown. Apple has taken the Ice Block app out of its app store. Casey DeSantis nonprofit is under criminal investigation. The Trump administration is preparing to offer money to teenage migrants to self deport FBI agent. One of them has been fired for refusing to perp walk. Jim Comey Journalists for three Alaskan newspapers have quit after their stories about Charlie Kirk were taken down and changed. Israel is accused of detaining Greta Thunberg in inhumane conditions. And Sean Diddy Combs was sentenced to 50 months in PR. I'm your host Alison Gill. Hey everybody, Happy Monday. Happy Monday. Thanks to everybody who watched my show on Midas yesterday. I covered a lot of the weekend news on that show and there's a link in the show notes for you so you can watch that in full. If you want patrons, you got it early and ad free. So thank you for supporting independent media. Dana, as you as you may have noticed is out but she will be back tomorrow. And later in the show I'm going to be speaking with my friend and the developer of the block app, Joshua Aaron because Apple has taken his app out of the app store. I was the first to report that over on Blue Skies. So thank you again for supporting independent media. Also Sean P. Diddy Puff Daddy combs sentenced to 50 months in prison for all of the abuse that he inflicted upon women and his freak offs. He should have gotten far more time but the judge said that what the Department of Justice was asking for, which was 11 years and was unreasonable and what the, you know, Diddy's lawyers were asking for 14 months and time served so no jail time. The judge said that was also unreasonable. So I thought they would come in at seven or eight years but they came in at just over four years which is 50 months of incarceration. So that's the result of that. That sentencing happened just over the weekend. All right, we have a lot of news to get to. Let's hit the hot notes Hot not. All right, first up from the Associated Press. A federal judge in Oregon has temporarily blocked Trump's administration from deploying the National Guard there, ruling Saturday in a lawsuit brought by the state and the city against the administration. U.S. district Judge Karen Immergut, who was appointed by Trump during his first term, is the one who issued the order, pending further arguments in the lawsuit. She said the relatively small protests in the city doesn't justify the use of federalized forces, and allowing the deployment could harm Oregon's state sovereignty. Quote, this country has a long standing and foundational tradition of resistance to government overreach, especially in the form of military intrusion into civil affairs. That's what the judge said. And she continued, quote, this historical tradition boils down to a simple proposition. This is a nation of constitutional law, not martial law. The Trump administration late Saturday filed their notice of appeal to the 9th U.S. circuit Court of Appeals, and the city and the state have also filed their opposition to that appeal. Now, the plaintiffs were able to show that demonstrators and the at the immigration building were not significantly violent or disruptive ahead of the president's order. That's what the judge said. And the overall protests were very small and uneventful, like one city block. Quote, the president's determination was simply untethered to the facts. That is what Judge Immergut said. And Trump in a press conference yelly, a yelly press conference, a yellow copter conference outside of the White House, said the judge is terrible.
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He's a very, very bad judge. Doesn't even know who the judge is that he appointed. He is so unfit for office. But now NBC is reporting that Gavin Newsom said Sunday he's going to sue the Trump administration because Trump has federalized 300 California National Guard troops to go to Oregon. And that's, of course, just the day after Judge Immerget blocked President Trump's attempt to deploy the Oregon National Guard troops in Portland. Here's Newsom's statement. He says, quote, in a response to a federal court order that blocked his attempt to federalize the Oregon National Guard, President Trump is now deploying 300 California National Guard personnel into Oregon. They are on their way there now. Newsom said this in a statement and went on to say, this is a breathtaking abuse of the law and power. The Trump administration is unapologetically attacking the rule of law itself and putting into action their dangerous words, ignoring court orders and treating judges, even those appointed by the president himself, as political opponents. We'll keep you posted on how this goes. Next up from cnn, a conservative influencer who this week posted videos of clashes outside the Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Portland, Oregon has actually been released without bond because he was arrested on Thursday for fighting for starting fights. Nick Sorter, who's 27 from D.C. came all the way out to Portland. He was arrested on suspicion of second degree disorderly conduct along with two other people from Oregon that got in a fight with him. That's what the Portland Police Bureau said in a Friday news release. So this guy came from out of state and, and get this, I think it was Hermet Dillon, right, the new head of the civil Rights division at the DoJ, which is now civil Rights division. It's civil rights for white people only, she said. Buckle up, Portland. It's the fo. It's FO time because the Portland police arrested this guy for disorderly conduct. An interloper, 27 year old right wing MAGA picking fights. And Pam Bondi called the guy Sorter, right, His name is Nick Sorter or whatever, and said, we're super sorry, we're going to investigate the police. So the DOJ is investigating. And I was like, oh, when I read the headline, oh, DOJ's investigating yet they're investigating the Portland Police Department, not the guy for starting the fight. And I'm not quite sure that, you know, this incident or many other incidents like it that are just completely fabricated by the Department of Homeland Security, ICE and the Department of Justice aren't the bullshit justifications for the Guard to be deployed. And from the Washington Post, Mario Guevara. He's an Emmy Award winning reporter. He was deported on Friday to El Salvador, which is a nation that he fled more than two decades ago because he was threatened and assaulted there. Persecuted for his journalism, Guevara, an independent journalist and founder of an online news outlet, was arrested on June 14th in the Atlanta area while he was covering a protest of the Trump administration. Police charged him with failing to disperse and standing in a roadway. But those counts, of course, were quickly dropped in favor of deportation. Despite the dismissals, he was transferred from county jail to immigration custody at the request of ice. Guevara fled threats in El Salvador tied to his work as a journalist. As I said, he entered the United states legally in 2004, legally on a tourist visa. He applied for asylum the next year, in 2005, and then seven years later, his asylum request was denied. In 2012, he was granted something called voluntary departure. Voluntary departure allows you to remove yourself on your own dime at your own expense within a certain time frame rather than traditional or formal deportation or removal. Now, Guevara appealed that voluntary deportation, and that case was then administratively closed later that year. That administrative closing paused his deportation proceedings indefinitely. And he held a US Work permit. He got one. Then in April, he filed for a green card through his son, who is a US Citizen. That petition remains pending, but a federal appeals court ruled Thursday that one of his applications was not properly filled out. And that's what made him eligible for deportation back to a country where he was previously persecuted for his journalism. The Department of Homeland Security confirmed the deportation on Friday. Now, next up from the Times, a federal agent shot and wounded a motorist in Chicago on Saturday morning. And that's according to federal officials, touching off more protests in the city. And as tensions rose over the Trump administration's threat to send troops there, officials with the Department of homeland security, Trisha McLaughlin, I believe, said in a statement that the agent shot the motorist, a woman who they said was armed with a semiautomatic weapon, and that she had rammed into a law enforcement vehicle and boxed them in. The Chicago Police Department said it responded Saturday morning to the area after receiving a report of a person shot. The New York Times could not verify DHS's details of the encounter. So what DHS is saying is not confirmed. It's just what they're saying. And DHS added that a driver of another vehicle named Anthony Ian Santos Ruiz had also been involved in the ramming and that he had been apprehended by law enforcement. It was unclear on Saturday whether he or Ms. Martinez had been charged with anything or whether they had any lawyers. Huh. So they haven't been charged with a crime. That's interesting. And nobody can confirm what really happened except what DHS says. Now, the guy, Mr. Ruiz, his mother, Elizabeth, said her son told her on the phone that morning that he had been rammed by federal agents and that they were shooting. His car was rammed, not the other way around, at least according to him. And what his mother said. So when she heard that there was shooting, she raced to the scene. The mom did. She said an agent grabbed her son, said he was under arrest, and she asked why. And she told the reporters that they didn't give her an answer. Now, Governor Pritzker, when asked about these reports of law enforcement officers firing at the woman who, quote, unquote, rammed their vehicle, Pritzker said this, quote, well, we don't have a lot of facts. What happens in these sorts of incidents is typically ICE puts out a press release before anybody else can speak with the press. And then it gets reported on social media and elsewhere. Remember, these are the same folks who killed a person, an unarmed person, just a couple of weeks ago in Franklin Park. At first they said that the officer had been threatened with his life. The reality of it and the truth of it has now come out. And that wasn't the case. They killed somebody. So here it's really hard to know exactly what the facts are. And they won't let us access the facts. They're just putting out their propaganda. And then we have to go later and determine what actually happened. That's from the governor of Illinois. And again, I'm pretty sure this incident is probably what the regime used to justify deploying the National Guard, at least one of them. One of the reasons, and I think in my opinion, it's completely made up. We'll get more later. Next up from CBS Broadview Village officials sent a strong message to the feds this week. They do not want ICE enforcement operating its detention center in their town. On Thursday, Broadview Police Chief Thomas Mills said ICE agents are draining the resources of his department and the community by making false 911 calls. Body camera video footage obtained by CBS News Chicago shows several Broadview officers responding to a 911 call claiming somebody was tampering with a gate at the ICE detention facility. The gate in question is where ICE takes detained immigrants for processing. But when police arrived, all they found was two people and a camera. A CBS News Chicago photographer was filming the exterior of the building, a CBS security guard by his side. The 911 call from an ICE agent claimed someone was tampering with the gate. According to an incident report, an ICE agent called police for help. Mills believes it was a bogus call. An ICE agent claimed someone was trying to force their way into the door, but it was just a CBS News Chicago photographer filming the exterior of the building. Mills said it's disturbing. It's ridiculous. He said that was just one of several questionable 911 calls his police department had received from the ICE facility recently. The same detention center has become the site of at least three other incidents involving federal agents who are accused of hitting people with cars, shooting projectiles, using chemical agents on journalists. That's just a few, including firing a pepper ball at a CBS News Chicago reporter. The Asal Rezae her vehicle on Sunday. Rezae said there was no active protest or protesters at the facility at the time. She was alone with no one around her when it happened, and she told Broadview Police. She was driving her truck with a driver's side window down, approaching the 25th Avenue entrance to the ICE facility because she wanted to see what was going on before she left the area. That's when she said a masked ICE agent shot a pepper ball from inside the fence, hitting the side of her truck, causing the chemical agent to engulf the inside of her vehicle. So that's the kind of stuff going on and it's so important that people on the ground are getting this stuff filmed. I know I see a lot of people saying, put down the camera and help. No, keep the camera in your hands and keep filming and keep putting it out there. Next up from cnn, Department of Homeland Security is preparing to offer unaccompanied migrant teenagers in the United States the option to voluntarily leave the country and get a $2,500 check. That's according to three sources familiar and a memo obtained by CNN. The Trump administration has already been offering financial incentives, including $1,000 exit bonuses to undocumented adult immigrants in the US administration officials have argued that self deportation incentives are cost effective given the high price tag of detaining immigrants and deporting them. A notice sent to legal service providers Friday by the Department of Health and Human Services seen by cnn, said the administration, quote, will provide a one time resettlement support stipend of US$2,500 to UNACCO need alien children 14 years or older who have elected to voluntarily depart the United States as of the date of this notice and moving forward, adding that the benefit is intended to support reintegration efforts following departure. The latest move appears to be an extension of ongoing efforts to repatriate migrant children in custody. In late August, the Trump administration prepared dozens of Guatemalan children to be sent back to their home country. Tried to put him on a plane in the middle of the night. A judge stopped it temporarily. Declarations from some of the parents of the children in Guatemala revealed they were unaware that their children were being deported and raised concerned over their safety if they were returned. That case is ongoing. The government actually lied to the court and said that they had contacted every parent and the parents in Guatemala wanted these children back. That ended up being false. Also, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization act, which has been in place for more than two decades, provides protections for unaccompanied migrant children who arrive and reside in the US including being screened to see if they're victims of human trafficking or have a credible fear of persecution in their home country. None of that happened in that case. All right, let's talk about the Trump and Republican shutdown, which, as I've said a million times, they can end. The Republicans in the Senate can end at any time without a single Democratic vote. And if you, by the way, if you watch my latest show on Midas, the one from yesterday, I bring receipts on that. And I also talk about the flood of emails sent to me by federal workers and benefits recipients blaming Democrats for the shutdown. And several people received emails with like recommended out of office language. Hey, you're being furloughed because the Democrats wouldn't pass the resolution even though the Republicans control Congress. But you're being furloughed. So for your out of office email, why don't you write this? I'm not here because the Democrats suck. I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what they want the out of office emails to say. And I talked to dozens of federal workers who were like, I'm not putting that. And NBC is reporting that Education Department employees that were furloughed this week discovered their email accounts had been manipulated while they were out of the office to change that language, to blame the shutdown on Democrats. Five employees spoke with NBC, provided copies of their out of office messages, and they said their wording was altered from how they originally composed them. All of them are civil servants, no political appointees, and of course requested anonymity out of fear of repercussion. But those emails, those out of office messages, were altered without their permission. All right, let's switch gears here. Next up from Reuters, an FBI agent was relieved of duty for declining to arrange a perp walk of Jim Comey in front of news media cameras after Comey was federally charged last month. That's according to four people briefed on the matter. Andy McCabe and I are going to discuss this, obviously on the next Justified podcast. But I mean, basically they, and what's interesting is the agent's name was published, but then it was taken out of that publication and I'm not sure why. So I'm not going to say the agent's name, but I've been contacted by sources familiar who've confirmed that it's this particular agent. But the agent was basically said, hey, I bet you he was at the Washington field office. And the Trump administration said, hey, you can get some beefy guys, right? In full kit, right? Would you like vest and camo or whatever with the FBI logo emblazoned across their chest to perp walk handcuff and perp walk Comey. They discussed arresting him, but he's being arraigned this week, October 9th, so there's no warrant for his arrest. So I'm not even sure under what authority they were discussing arresting him and perp walking him. It's against DOJ policy. It's why they didn't do it for Trump as much as we wanted them to. Right? So that FBI agent was like, no, I'm not going to find a beefy guy in full kit to do a perp walk. And he was fired. That agent was fired. Next up from the New York Times Several journalists resigned this week from three newspapers in Alaska after the publication's corporate owner made significant edits to an article about Charlie Kirk, appearing to yield to pressure from a Republican state lawmaker who criticized the coverage. The these four journalists work for the Homer News, the Peninsula Clarion and the Juneau Empire, and they wrote in a joint resignation letter on Monday that they were never consulted about the edits made by the Alabama based Carpenter Media Group. The article at the center of the Revolt chronicled the September 17th vigil in Homer, Alaska for Charlie Kirk, who as we know is the TPUSA founder, a right wing ally of Trump, and he was fatally shot on September 10th at Utah Valley University. That story that they wrote ran online September 23rd and in print on September 25th in the Homer News. Its description in the second paragraph of Mr. Kirk, whom the article called a Christian nationalist icon and defender of often racist and controversial views, struck a nerve with one of the vigil's co organizers. In a letter to the corporate owners of the papers, Sarah Vance, a Republican state representative, assailed the coverage as hate baiting at its worst and suggested that that advertisers were planning to boycott the publications. Her criticism was not dissimilar to the political pressure other conservatives have exerted on media companies to punish those whose commentary about Mr. Kirk they deem objectionable, which is really just them telling everyone what Charlie Kirk said in his own words with his whole chest, most notably Jimmy Kimmel. So soon after publication of the article, though, something peculiar happened, Ms. Thompson, who's 44, one of the journalists in an interview, said Thursday. The story just disappeared. We were all flabbergasted. Several hours later, the story was reposted online with some significant changes to its structure and its description of Charlie Kirk. In the Revised version, the second paragraph appeared about 12 paragraphs into the article, saying that Kirk's views, quote, have been tied by many to a rise in Christian nationalism across the US and in describing Mr. Kirk's frequent visits to college campuses. The article said he had regularly defended his criticism of the Civil Rights act and Martin Luther King Jr. As well as his opposition to gun control and affirmative action. All that is true and gone from the article was a line stating Kirk perpetuated conspiracy theories, including COVID 19 and climate misinformation, as well as the great replacement theory, which, as we know, posits that Jews are trying to replace white Americans with non white immigrants. That was just gone. That's all the truth. So they quit and they sent a letter. And that leaves like one journalist apiece at two papers and none at another. But they said, we can't do this if you're going to edit our stories without our input. Next up from the Guardian, the environmental campaigner Greta Thunberg has told Swedish officials she's being subjected to harsh treatment in Israeli custody after her detention and removal from a flotilla carrying aid to Gaza. That's according to correspondence seen by the Guardian. And according to the correspondence, Israeli forces are also reported by another detainee to have taken photographs where Thunberg was allegedly forced to hold flags. It says here. The identity of the flags is unknown, but that does come up later in the story. In an email sent by the Swedish Foreign Ministry to people close to Greta Thunberg and seen by the Guardian, an official who has visited the activist in prison said she claimed she was detained in a cell infested with bedbugs with too little food and too little water. Quote, another detainee reportedly told another embassy they had seen her being forced to hold flags while pictures were taken, and she wondered whether those images of her had been distributed. That's what the Swedish ministries official added. The allegation was corroborated by at least two other members of the flotilla who had been detained by Israeli forces and released on Saturday. Quote, they dragged little Greta by her hair before our eyes, beat her and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her as a warning to others. That was a quote from the Turkish activist Ersen Selleck, a participant in the Samud flotilla. That's what he told Andalu news agency. And subpoenas are flying in Florida. This is from Florida Politics. Subpoenas are being issued to Governor Ron DeSantis staffers over the Hope Florida spending scandal as first reported by Florida Politics publisher Peter Scorsch. Former acting Attorney General John Gard and longtime staffer Kate Strickland are set to receive subpoenas, according to Scorsch. And that's what he reported Friday morning. James Holton, the former chairman of St. Petersburg based Save Our Society From Drugs, one of the nonprofits that received millions from the Hope Florida foundation, also was subpoenaed. And that's according to an associate of Holton. The subpoenas come as prosecutors in Tallahassee are convening a grand jury to meet during the week of October 13th. And that's according to the Miami Herald and the Tampa Bay Times. Now Hope Florida has been the subject of increasing scrutiny. Leaders of the organization faced lawmakers questions during the last legislative session. Leon county prosecutors confirmed in May there was an open criminal investigation into the Hope Florida Foundation. And that's according to media reports. A $10 million Medicaid settlement was quietly sent to Hope Florida Foundation. That's a charity led by first lady Casey DeSantis, and it's meant to help Floridians get out of poverty. But the money was instead eventually funneled into the coffers of a political committee to fight last year's marijuana legalization effort. That committee was under the control of DeSantis then Chief of staff James Uthmeyer, who has risen to the state's attorney general position. DeSantis, of course, was outspoken against the ballot initiative don't do the Pot, which was ultimately defeated in last year's election. So we'll keep an eye on those subpoenas. And our last story is from NBC. Robert Morris, the Texas megachurch pastor who built Gateway Church into one of the largest congregations in the country, pled guilty Thursday in Osage County District Court to charges that he sexually abused a minor, a girl, in the 1980s. Morris, who's 64, entered the plea before Judge Cindy Pickerel, admitting to five felony counts of lewd and indecent acts with a child. Now under a negotiated plea, he was given a 10 year sentence, but he will serve only six months in the county jail. He must also register as a sex offender and pay a quarter of a million dollars in restitution.
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So I guess you only have to.
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Do six months in jail when you sexually assault children. Okay. All right. We need this. It's time for some good trouble.
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What are you guys doing?
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All right.
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You're good trouble today, should you choose to accept it. House speaker and Christian nationalist shitbox Mike Johnson has sent the House home. He's refusing to swear in Adeli to Grijalva because he knows she's the final vote on the Epstein files discharge petition. So it's time to flood his office with calls, his phone number. He's got two that I've found. 202, 225, 2000 or 202-225-2777. So make sure to give him a call, especially if you're in Arizona 7th district because you are currently being taxed without representation. All right, everybody, we'll be right back with the creator of the Ice Block app, Joshua Aaron, followed by listener submitted good news, so stick around. We'll be right back after these messages.
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Hey everybody, welcome back. Joining me is my good friend and.
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The developer of the Ice Block app.
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Which has just been removed from the Apple App Store. Please welcome Joshua Aaron.
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Hey, Josh.
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Joshua, how are you doing? That's right, it's Joshua, not Josh.
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Yes, but thank you for having me. As always, it's great to be with you.
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It's good to see you, my friend. And I know we've been communicating back and forth quite a bit over the.
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Past week or so.
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When you reached out to me and told me that you had just received notification that Apple had removed Ice Block.
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Which is your app that you developed.
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From their App Store. And I just wanted to ask you a couple questions about that and talk about it for a minute because you sent me over the reasons that they decided to do this, and they seem pretty bogus.
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Yeah, I mean, it is totally bogus to use that word. So they basically what they said is this. They said law enforcement contacted them and told them that this app was specifically targeting law enforcement officers. And they cited Guideline 1.1.1 in the Developer user agreement or the user guidelines, if you will, that says no app can target a specific individual or a group. And this is meant for like hate speech. Right. You don't want an app out there, you know, calling, you know, for anti Semitism purposes or something like that, you know, something horrible. Icebot didn't do any of that. I think all of your listeners and viewers know that icebot didn't do any of that. This was Pam Bondi or whoever at the doj. I mean, Pam Bondi is the one who went on Fox News and cbs, I think, and admitted that she did it, called Tim Cook or somebody high up at Apple and said, we want this taken down. That's the reality. And Apple act. We asked and took it down. So you want to know, like the crazy part though. So Apple's own Maps app does exactly what they're accusing me of and why they took the app. And by the way, every other app that calls out law enforcement in public. So any app that's on the App Store now, it's not just ICE Block. Any app that allows users to say, you know, hey, here's where a public sighting of law enforcement is, whether it's ICE or, or the police or whoever is gone. And then Google followed suit that same night. They, you know, unprompted by the doj, by the way, Google was like, oh, Apple did this. We'll jump on that bandwagon too, and go straight into fascism.
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That's bizarre because like you said, like.
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I'm thinking of ways, for example, the app where I can enter things that I see on the roadway, like a police officer. How is that not targeting the police? I mean, I suspect what they're trying to say is that you're doing something much more than just alerting people to the location of an ICE officer. And that you're somehow something in the app is saying to go and get them and dox them and target them and assault them, which is nothing. I have the app and there's nothing in there about that.
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Right. I mean, not only is it not possible to do that, but you know, when you talk about doxxing, for example, for anybody who doesn't know the definition of doxxing would be like posting a photo of Allison's face and then posting her name and her address and a picture of her house and her private email. You know, that's doxxing somebody. Iceblock didn't even have that capability. There's no photos or videos even in the app. In fact, there's just an optional notes field for when you're reporting a sighting. And to be honest with you, most people didn't even use the notes field. So it was just an address which was stored as a latitude and longitude. That's all there was. And it showed up only on people's devices that were within a five mile radius of that sighting. So you know how this could happen. I mean, look, the Dallas shooting happened at the ICE facility and they blamed me and the ICE Block app for it. And you know, I think we both know that it doesn't take an app to know that a police officer is at a police station. Just like it doesn't take an app to know that an ICE officer is in an ICE detention facility that is clearly marked as an ICE detention facility.
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So yeah, you and I texted about.
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That because I saw the blame game starting to happen and I'm like, I don't think I need to look on the ICE Block app to know that that's an ICE field office. It seemed way out of left field. But we know these folks have gone after you on social media over and over again and on Fox News over and over again saying that you are somehow encouraging people to assault ice. And they've inflated the assaults on ICE officers number quite a bit. They use percentages instead of actual instances of assault to make it seem like it's growing exponentially. Like we had over, I think a four year period, eight reported assaults on ice and then when it went up to 21, they were like 413% increase. And meanwhile our drug prices are gonna go down 1,200%. They don't math very well, but that's what they're doing. They're using you and iceblock and others like it as, you know, I don't know. False flag.
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False flag. Yeah.
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A scapegoat to say this is clearly to hurt us. And not to mention, pretty much every single assault on an ICE officer that's.
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Been charged has been dismissed, reduced to.
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A misdemeanor, gone to trial, acquitted by a jury, or can't even get past a grand jury in the first place because these ICE officials, including Bovino, who's like the face of Southern California ICE operations and was sent to Chicago to terrorize them. Now, you know, Bovino lied on the stand, but, you know, he's saying that, oh, you know, they're trying to attack us and whatever, but. But that's been completely disproven by the facts at trial. But I don't think they care about the facts at trial and how the outcome is. It's what happens first.
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It's first impressions.
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And I think that that's why they're going after you. So talk a little bit. Have you had any, like, I would think, an app with over a million.
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Users that maybe Apple would reach out.
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And say, hey, if you change this thing, if you take the notes field out, for example, we won't remove you from the App Store.
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Did anybody reach out to you?
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Is there any appeals process? I mean, what's the remedy to get it back up on the App Store?
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What a wonderful world it would be if that was even a thing. So, no, there's no appeals process. There's no remedy. You can respond to App Review if you want in like a comment, which I did, by the way, at first, and said, there's in no way doxes anybody. There's no way targets anybody. This was thoroughly vetted by Apple legal and senior officials in App Review, and their response was literally just to post the exact same thing to me again as a response. They're not going to call me. They don't care. You know, I mean, that's the reality. They. They don't care. And I'll tell you what really pisses me off is that in almost every single interview that I did from April until, you know, last Thursday, and there were a lot of them, by the way, they asked me, are you afraid that Apple's going to take this down? And I said, no. And I defended Apple. I said, look, they rejected it in the first place so that their legal department and senior officials at App Review could thoroughly vet this, make sure it was, you know, nothing illegal was happening and this was all above board. And by the way, that I was doing exactly what I said, which is completely anonymous reporting, no user information, no identifiable information stored or captured in any way they took three weeks of back and forth and did this. They knew exactly what this was. Okay. Nothing has changed in the app.
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Couple things, and I know I've asked you this offline. People who already have the app on their iPhone can keep it. Right? They're not taking it away. You just can no longer download it. New, new users can no longer download.
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It from the store.
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And the last time I spoke to you, we had talked about why this wasn't available on Android and it's only available on Apple because Apple's privacy rules are much better and there was no guarantee from Google, Google Play or the Android App Store or whatever it is that. Sorry, I'm not familiar with.
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No, it's okay. Google Play Store is exactly what it is.
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Yeah, I'm going to get all the emails about changing over to Android. We'll have the Android Apple wars another time. But that they wouldn't guarantee that the user information, people who downloaded the app, people who use the app, wouldn't be like subject to a subpoena from the Trump administration or something like that. So currently Apple was the only place you could get it and now it's off of the App Store, but people who have already downloaded it can still.
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Continue to use it.
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Yeah. So basically, here's how it works. If it's on your device already, you're good. You can continue to use it exactly as is. Nothing will change. I can't do anything to fix a bug, I can't submit an update, I can't help out in any way, shape or form. You can use what exists on your device full stop. Right. But if you delete it from your device, like try to reinstall it, you will never be able to get it back. If you erase your phone, if you reset your phone where it has to download the apps again to your device, you're never going to get it again. I mean, unless by some miracle Apple brings it back. But believe me, I'm not holding my breath. But you know what, very interesting. You're talking about me saying like bringing it to Android might have user identifiable information or bringing it to Android might cause blah, blah, blah, Right? And everybody chastised me for this. But the DOJ contacted Apple and Apple acquiesced. Right? But Google wasn't contacted at all and they took it upon themselves to go, ooh, ooh, we'll follow suit and do the exact same thing. So now you kind of see where I was going with it the whole time, where I did not want anybody to have any issues yeah.
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Sort of justified that decision in the first place. Is it possible to file a lawsuit that's violating your First Amendment rights? I don't know. You know, if the government is actually pressured Apple to do something that seems like a one. A violation, but it's an app, so I'm not sure how that, you know, if that constitutes speech. I feel like it would, but there may be other avenues to have that speech, and so that might be a deciding factor. But I figure if there is a lawsuit there. I was wondering if you're talking to.
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A lawyer, first of all. But second of all, the discovery would be interesting, Right.
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You'd be able to. All of that first review that you said, that took a long time, that Apple cleared it as not violating any.
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Of their terms of service.
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All of that documentation would be discoverable, as would any communications between the regime and Apple itself. Did Trump call Tim? Get Tim Apple on the phone. Get him on the phone so that I can. Or was it Stephen Miller? Any of those communications would be discoverable. I'm not sure if there's a case there, but have you reached out to Con Law, aclu, or any kind of an attorney to see if this is even a viable lawsuit?
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So I have an absolutely incredible legal team behind me. I mean, these people, both men and women, are some of the top ones in the country. I don't want to start mentioning names and having any problems with that, but rest assured, their minds are going a mile a minute. And we've already had very serious meetings about how to move forward if there's a case, you know, multiple cases from different angles. And, yeah, I'm going to let them kind of take the legal aspect of that. And I, because I'm not an attorney, I don't know for sure, and I don't want to speak out of turn, but we're not. We're not sitting idly by it, let's put it that way.
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All right, cool. And you'll let us know?
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I will let you know anything I can, of course.
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Excellent. Yeah. Because we daily beans. You know, we first reported the app being taken off the App Store.
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We first reported.
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And I wanted to check up on this because we first reported the fact.
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That your wife was targeted by Laura.
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Loomer and Tom Homan and was removed.
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From her position at department at the Department of Justice.
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Allison, remind me again, how are you not being paid, like, $50 million a year? You're breaking every source in this country.
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B
Well, I, you know, I don't have a big corporate media Conglomerate over my head, helping me out.
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C
All right, all users. It's now a million dollars to listen to the daily beans.
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B
No, still free. You can kick in. You could kick in and support if you want, but it's still free. Because I think that this kind of stuff is super important and I think that the public has a right to know all of all of these things that are going on. But I wanted to check in about how your wife is doing because, you.
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Know, she worked for Department of Justice.
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Over a decade and was targeted because of this. And so it's, it's, it's obvious to me that this is, dare I say, witch hunt.
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Gosh, I, I, I've heard that term somewhere. Where did I hear that from? You know, it's so funny. When an actual witch hunt occurs, it's, you know, that's what he doesn't want to talk about. Right. Or he, you know, whatever. It doesn't matter. Yes, thank you for asking. She's doing incredibly well. She started back up her private consulting firm. It's called Tykes Consulting. And you know, she is one of the most brilliant forensic accountants in the game. So if you're in need of a forensic accountant or, you know, somebody who is by all means tykes consulting.com and, you know, send them the contact form and I'm sure, you know, she'll see it at some point.
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Cool.
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You might need one if you end up filing a lawsuit to get the Ice Block app restored on the App Store.
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C
Luckily, I have in house for that. Right, right, right.
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So you'll keep us posted on that? Any legal action? Is there anything else that you want to make sure everybody knows before we.
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Get out of here?
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I think just that. Know that I'm with you. I'm not giving up just because this was taken down. It's not like, you know, I'm like, oh, okay, I'll go on to something else. Who cares? I am going to continue to fight this. I am not going to give up. I am with you. I think about you every single moment of the day and how I can possibly help. I will say this, and I know we're probably running a little long on time, but I do want to kind of mention it is a lot of people have sent in very, very good wishes via the contact form. And I thank you so much for that. And a lot of people have sent in suggestions. Why don't you make a website for this? Why don't you make a PWA so that people can put it on their phones and they don't need the App Store. And just so that everybody is aware, these are things that I have greatly considered. There are technological issues with that because of the vast amount of users involved. And I would hate to put something out there to the public that might be taken down five minutes, minutes later and erode trust of the people who support this or worse, put something up that crashes every two seconds. So when and if I can do something, I absolutely will, I promise you.
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Amazing. Well, we appreciate you stopping by. It's always good to see you, my friend. And I know you and I will be talking offline quite a bit and everybody can follow you on, on social media. Follow me on social media. I'll be telling everyone what you say and also here on the daily beans.
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C
Which is scary, right? I mean, you tell everybody what I say.
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I'm gonna get everybody and tell them. Anyway, I appreciate your time today. It's really good to see you and we'll talk again soon. Joshua, Aaron, everybody. Stick around. We'll be right back with the good news. Hey, everybody.
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It's time for the Good News everyone. Then Good News everyone.
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And if you have any good news confessions corrections you want to give a shout out to a loved one, a family member, yourself, maybe a small business in your area, or perhaps a a nonprofit you want to give a shout out to, you can send that to us. A shout out to a government program that's helped you or a loved one. We'd love to hear about that. Any little bit of good news, big or small, that's happened yesterday or 20 years ago. We would love to have your listener submitted Good News. And all you have to do to.
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Get your good news read on the.
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Air is pay your POD pet tariff, which technically means attach a photo of your pet. But really you can attach a photo of anything. If you don't have a pet, you can send an adoptable pet in your area. If you don't have that, you can just grab a random animal photo off the Internet. That works too. We also love to see family pictures if you have them. Baby photos, bird watching pictures, which can be an actual bird, or you and your family and friends flipping the bird to Trump or Musk or their properties or you know, some other Republican in your maybe in your district that you don't like.
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We love to see that photos of.
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Your happy place or what you're making or creating. Are you knitting, painting, crocheting, you know, anything like that, Anything you're working on. We would love to know how you're passing the time and trying to keep your mind off of the flood zone of shit that's happening. Send it to us and send us your happy place pictures. You can do it@dailybeanspod.com and click on Contact. First up from Lewis Pronouns he and him. I'd like to shout out my wife and partner Linda. When we met 12 years ago, we quickly fell in love. We had a lot of things happen in that time. The estrangement of my daughter happened. My daughter and I have been able to make amends. Linda was the first one to offer help to my daughter and her partner and help them move from Texas to Washington and get them out of their lease. Linda's dad was diagnosed almost two years ago. We moved him into our home last Christmas despite not wanting to be in this situation. She is his primary caregiver and is doing a great job with him. We get to have some caregivers come in to help us out in our home. So shout out to the VA and a niece who helps us on the weekends when we want or need to get away. For you I submit a bird watching photo for my Pod Pet tariff of me giving a double barreled bird to Trump and Reagan at the Clark County Republican's office in Moses Lake, Washington. We were at the fairgrounds this weekend for the 90s Flannel Fest, a 90s grunge and alternative rock festival. This is our second time here. We really enjoyed it. Thanks AG&DG for the laughs, swearing and the insanity that is the news. Awesome. Thank you so much. This is great. I don't understand why they put Trump next to Reagan. They couldn't be more opposite. But anyway, thank you for the bird watching photo. Next up from Anonymous Pronoun she and her hello Dear Beans Podcasters, I have been so entertained by the great creative protests of the people of Portland. I think they all get an A plus in art they went out to for all the high school plays and speech teams probably as well. Also, California gave us the glorious Hispanic dances and tuba protests. Really? They have elevated the protests to an art form so now the rest of the blue states have a really high bar. Perhaps we can take an inspiration from Tim Snyder's brother in law Dan Shores. He writes operas. Since the Beans followers are fans of Sandwich Guy, I think you might enjoy his YouTube offering called Someone Threw a Sandwich. Dan Shores Someone Threw a Sandwich. We'll have the link in the show notes for my Pod Pet Tax I submit photos of my cat Pearl as she attempts to assist me in preparing for the visibility of Visibility Brigade. Look at that. Look at those signs. I love the Visibility brigade. That's like an overpass thing, right? That's so great. Hi Kitty. So very adorable. All right, next up from Doug P. Pronouns he and him hey. Hi. Hello. I'm on maui for the first time since 2019. As a former resident, this trip is way overdue and so good for my soul. The Best thing, my new dog, buddy Ziggy the Labradoodle. We spent hours each day in the pool with him chasing his ball. It's all either of us wants to do. Here's a pic of him and a pic of me flipping off Trump Tower on a recent trip to Chicago. It's probably the reason Velveeta Voldemort sent the troops in. Yes, I'm sure that's it. Look at this cute pupper. I absolutely love Maui. I hope you have a wonderful time and a wonderful vacation. And I hope we see more pictures. All right, next up from Dana S. While listening to your show, I finally finished my 1000 piece puzzle. Yay for me. And thanks for keeping me entertained. And here's a picture of my darling dog too. Hi doggo.
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And oh my gosh. So the puzzle is just a ton.
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Of tiny pumpkins and I'm not sure how it drive like that's a tough puzzle. So a thousand pieces. Congrats on that. And maybe you've started a new puzzle while you're listening to us today. All right, next up from anonymous pronoun she and her hello beans Queens. I'm writing to you from the ravaged war zone of Portland, Oregon. I feel the need to write in to let everyone know how beautiful our city is. We have had issues in the past like all cities have, but I wanted to give a shout out to our mayor and our local police on how much our city has turned around in the last few years. We did have some issues in front of an ICE facility back in June or July, but since then things have died down and a very small amount of peaceful protests continue until Kankel's decided to open up his fucking mouth on Saturday morning. My husband and I have to continue to shake our heads watching clips from our city of something that happened over five years ago or isn't even our city at all. To my surprise, the organizers of Portland yearly Naked Bike ride. Yes, that is correct. Have decided to plan a new ride here in a few weeks. Another one. And if and when the troops get deployed, they usually only do one a year, but rumor has it they're trying to schedule another one. Nothing says welcome to Portland like seeing the naked bike riders. Hashtag keep Portland weird. I've included my pet tariff on my cat, Ginger. She's very helpful when I can sit and do puzzles. Yeah, I'm Cats are notoriously helpful with puzzles. You make my daily survival trek throughout our bombed out, sorry, beautiful city streets. Almost enjoyable. Oh my God, that's so funny. Thank you so much for that. Really, really appreciate that good news. Let's see if we have any. Oh look at the sweet ginger baby kitty. Looks kind of chonky. I want a pet. I want to pet. Thank you so much for that submission. Thanks to everyone for your good news submissions.
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If you have good news to send.
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Into us, you can send it to dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. I will be back in your ears tomorrow with Dana. Dana will be back. She's traveling so she will be back in the at the on the morrow. So until then, please everybody take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been ag and them's the Beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information Please visit msw media.com msw media.