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Daniel Knowles (20:43)

Hi. Thanks ever so much for having me on, Alison.

Alison Gill (20:45)

Yeah, no, it's absolutely my pleasure. This is a great piece and I wanted to just kind of go over it in general. Everybody, you can find it at the Economist. You can just, you know, google Daniel Knowles and see what he has to say about Musk and Doge. But you know, you open the article by talking about how when Musk was first named to the so called Department of Government Efficiency, people were excited. Like, you know, not, not me personally, but some folks even I think you, you, you brought up Bernie Sanders, right?

Daniel Knowles (21:15)

Yeah. Bernie had these comments in early December. I think it was about how they needed to go you know, Doge would be a good thing if they went for the defense budget, which I think something about Musk saying that they would be going for the Pentagon. And I think even when I've been covering Doge really since the beginning of this administration, and even in January, early February, I think that kept surprising me in a way, was how much civil servants, people who are not, who are quite impartial, were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt initially. People really, really wanted this to succe, and it obviously has not.

Alison Gill (22:01)

Yeah. And because at first, you know, you think, okay, cutting waste, particularly at the Pentagon. I mean, we have old jokes going back decades about you spending $800 on a hammer or whatever. We all, you know, some folks were like, oh, great idea. But instead of taking a scalpel and carefully cutting waste, fraud and abuse from the government, they instead came in, took a sledgehammer to it, and got rid of, in my opinion, the front line that guards against fraud, waste and abuse, which are the federal employees. For example, you know, I worked at the Department of Veterans affairs for. As a liaison to the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, and my whole job, they were paying me six figures to go in and make sure that the Department of Defense was paying the Department of Veterans Affairs. They were paying someone money to make sure that the government paid the government. And I was like, my job seems like a little bit of waste. And so I worked actually pretty diligently to get rid of my job and perhaps go put a hat on somewhere else to have direct care for veterans or help actual veterans. The fact that you fire tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of federal civil servants whose job is to be a ward of the taxpayer dollar are. I. I don't think a lot of people understand that our federal civil servants save taxpayer dollars. And so when you cut them first, you are going to spend more money because you aren't going to have me. Like, I probably saved the government about $60 million a year by paying me, you know, $110,000 a year and multiply that exponentially across the federal civil service. When you, when you take a sledgehammer to that, you're going to end up spending more money, which we did in Q1.

Daniel Knowles (23:43)

Exactly. And, you know, I think. I think that an awful lot of people just simply hadn't understood, and I include Elon Musk himself in this, is that, you know, payroll is only 5% of federal spending. You can fire everybody and you'll still have 95% left. It's mostly entitlement. Spending, defense spending, lots of things. But so it's very hard to save a lot of money by firing people. And that's really what he was trying.

Alison Gill (24:08)

Yeah. And I think that there are better ways to go after fraud, waste and abuse, as I'm sure Senator Bernie Sanders felt as well in that particular instance. But that sort of the shine on the honeymoon sort of faded pretty quickly when we saw what started happening. And now we're actually seeing their receipts. But aside from money gutting programs like usaid, US Institute of Peace, people are actually dying.

Daniel Knowles (24:34)

Yeah. I mean, one of my previous jobs was I was the Africa correspondent for the Economist for several years. I was based in Nairobi. And if you look back at what my colleagues were writing about in that job 20 years before, it was the devastation caused by HIV, AIDS. And in the three years I spent covering Africa, that was, you know, not a story because of the incredible success of pepfar. And that has now been, you know, all but demolished. It's just stopped. And of course, so much other humanitarian aid that you would see everywhere, you know, going places like South Sudan, Somali, see the USAID kind of logos on bags of grain. And again, it's, it's been stopped. And that will have real, you know, costs in lives. It's already happening. And I think it's hard to quantify, but people are trying. And it's going to be tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, if not eventually millions of people who will have died because of these cuts. So that's the real big consequence, I think, of what, what DOGE sort of achieved, as it were.

Alison Gill (25:37)

Yeah. And I think it brings the parties together in some cases. Pepfar, for example. I know the guys who started pepfar. These are Reagan, Bush Republican men who started and helped implement and kept PEPFAR going. And when that cut came down, they were devastated. And even though it got reinstated through, you know, a court order, the damage had kind of already been done. It, you know, when you slash or sledgehammer a program that's been working for decades, you can't just put it right back into where it was. You have to dig yourself out of a hole that can take years and years and that costs more money. So you aren't at all saving money. But now let's talk a little bit about the US Institute of Peace and your little scoop that happened in there, because I've got friends who worked there and they shut down the headquarters. I think this is something Musk was very proud of, along the lines of usaid, we did it. We put it in the wood chipper or whatever. I think the terminology they used was totally ignoring the fact that hundreds of thousands of people, including children, would and have died because of these slashing cuts. But apparently you had found something out about when they went into the US Institute of Peace offices after, in the aftermath of what Doge had done.

Daniel Knowles (26:57)

Yeah. So I've been kind of following the story about the US Institute of Peace USIP since March when it happened, because I thought it was such a just sort of fascinating and mad example of really where how much do you. Pushing the boundaries of what presidential power can do. They had essentially an armed standoff that took over this building. They brought in the FBI, they brought in police from the diplomatic police, they even brought in the Washington Metropolitan Police and they essentially forced the employees of the USIP out of the building, all under this sort of legal claim that the President has absolute authority over anything that Congress funds when USIP is not part of the executive branch in any traditional way. So I've been kind of following it for a while and writing about it and of course, yeah, week or so ago, a couple of weeks ago I think it was, there was a judicial ruling that said that all of this was illegal, how Doge operated was illegal and everything that they had done to sake of USIP had was essentially null and void. And so they, the, the USIP staffers have taken back their building. And of course what this thing I heard, you know, over the weekend was that they've gone in the building had essentially just been sort of, you know, left to rot. They've got problems with rodents now that they didn't have before. There's things missing. But of course what they, what they found was, you know, it looks like in the days after taking over the building that the people who are in there, these, these dose staffers were having a bit of a party and their cleaners found whole big lumps of marijuana in a trash can in one of the offices that they'd been hanging out in together with beer cans and things like that. And I'm not a great expert in weed, but having posted a photo of it on Bluesky after my story, which print only or text only rather came out, I'm told this is very poor weed and that seems to have driven the Internet.

Alison Gill (29:04)

It's bad weed. It's really, really bad. Wee. I would have thrown it in the garbage as well. But you know, on one hand we can laugh about this, on the other hand, to think about a bunch of 20 somethings who have no experience in government, coming in, trashing the US Institute of Peace, partying, drinking, smoking weed. It's. It adds insult to injury. Yeah.

Daniel Knowles (29:27)

I mean, I think what particularly rankles for so many people in government is that, you know, you cannot be taking drugs, and that includes marijuana, which is obviously legal in the District of Columbia, but it is not federally legal. You cannot be taking those drugs if you're in government service and you can't be working with the federal government. And so there's a level of just impunity that I think beyond the sort of comicness, that's why it struck a chord. That's my sense of it.

Alison Gill (29:58)

Yeah. And as a veteran, for me, it struck a chord because at the Department of Veterans affairs, we have been disallowed to even discuss the possibility of using medicinal marijuana for veterans with PTSD and other issues. Cancer, pain relief, anxiety, et cetera. Barred from even discussing it with your doctor because it's on the schedule and illegal. And then here you have these, you know, people from Doge just going in and through. I guess. I mean, I hate to picture it in my head like, oh, this weed sucks. And they just throw it in the garbage and leave it there, but it is, it's, it's, it's insulting on so many levels. And now we've got, you know, the New York Times coming out just this past week with a story about Musk being on. Like the rest of us could see with our eyes, the, you know, Musk being on all sorts of drugs, Ecstasy, ketamine and K holes. Shows up at the Oval Office with a black eye, his, you know, jaw clenched and his eyes rolling back in his head, oh, what? I'm not on drugs. You're crazy. But today, I think on Twitter, Elon Musk posted. I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know, you did wrong. You know it. So I think either the bromance is over, or this is some sort of weird controlled opposition, or they're all just a bunch of idiots and he's high AF I. But he is now. He was kind of avoiding it in an earlier interview where he was like, I just want to talk about spaceships. I don't want to talk about this administration and what I disagree with. But now he's full force coming out on Twitter and saying he disagrees with this billionaire bailout bill and not that we necessarily needed him to be against it. There's a lot of Republicans that are calling themselves Medicaid moderates in the Senate that are kind of banding together to say that we need to leave Medicaid alone. But it's just a. I don't know, the sort of palace intrigue is stuff that just shouldn't be happening at the government level. I miss very boring. I miss boring government.

Daniel Knowles (32:02)

Yeah. I mean, Musk, there's something, you know, following his adventure in government, as it were, in the last few months, and I've read all the biographies of him, and I struggle to peer into his head, but I always wonder, you know, there is just like, you want to ascribe kind of cynical motives to everybody, but there's a part of me that wonders just, is he just extraordinarily naive? Because it was so predictable going into the election that it would not work for his businesses to have a Trump presidency. This is a guy who hates electric vehicles, who wants to put tariffs on everything, and it's not working for his business. And I know there are incredible conflicts of interest there. Trump is not the guy that Musk would have liked. And I find it a kind of. It's just. There's something comic almost in him sort of realizing that now, you know, he's.

Alison Gill (32:59)

Been disillusioned by the reality.

Daniel Knowles (33:02)

How did you not notice before?

Alison Gill (33:04)

Right.

Daniel Knowles (33:04)

Yeah.

Alison Gill (33:05)

Sort of the same as all of us. Like, you know, people are like, well, I didn't vote. I didn't vote for them to deport moms. Well, I'm not sure that, like, how did you not know? How did you not see this coming?

Daniel Knowles (33:17)

Particularly when you're the richest man on Earth, right.

Alison Gill (33:19)

And then you've got Tesla now who's like, you got to stop with this government thing that you're doing and come back to us. As though bringing Elon closer to you is going to help your brand. It's. That also seems incredibly naive to me.

Daniel Knowles (33:33)

The damage feels like it's done to me for sure. But I, you know, I guess if you're the kind of board of Tesla, you're the shareholders, you know, you getting rid of the man entirely when he founded the company, that's a fight that. That perhaps too big for them, but certainly it seems pretty clear that Tesla owners, sorry, in terms of the business owners rather than the car owners, but maybe the same thing. But shareholders were pretty unhappy seeing their business. Musk only owns 13, 14% of it now, essentially being trashed by his kind of grand day out in government. And they've seen this huge decline in their revenue in their free cash flow. The share price remains insanely high for reasons that I do not really understand. But it is a considerably less viable business than it was four or five months ago. And that is, that's not great if you're a Tesla shareholder.

Alison Gill (34:29)

Yeah, I agree. Well, I'm going to continue to follow your reporting, everybody. You should do the same. Midwest correspondent for the Economist, Daniel Knowles. We're going to be keeping an eye on the lawsuits trying to protect usip. We're going to also be keeping our eye on lawsuits about violations, potential violations of the appointments clause. I know Judge Tanya Chutkan has ruled that the case can go forward against Doge and Musk for not having to go through Senate confirmation and trying to figure out who is the administrator of Doge, as everyone, everyone at Wittoed has been following pretty closely. So again, everybody, Daniel Knowles at the Economist, you want to follow this report? We appreciate it and thanks for your time today.

Daniel Knowles (35:14)

Great. Thanks ever so much for having me. This was great.

Alison Gill (35:17)

Yeah, no problem, everybody. We'll have to have you back on when more, when more scoops come out.

Daniel Knowles (35:21)

Please do, please do. As you guess my title, I'm like, it's kind of a surprise to find myself on this, but obviously it's been all hands on. Normally I'm writing about kind of urban governance in Chicago and that sort of stuff, but it's been a bit of a wild ride in luster. Yeah, four months of, of this. But I've been back and forth in D.C. a lot. But it's been, it's been fun.

Alison Gill (35:45)

Yeah, I can't imagine. I mean, I was immediately thought when I saw your scoop about the weed at USIP, I immediately thought of Johnny McEntee at the personnel, Presidential Personnel Office back in the first term. He would hide bottles of Smirnoff Ice in the office and if you were unlucky enough to find one, you would have to chug it. And I was like, it's. They're just running it like a frat house. It's. That's pretty mind blowing.

Daniel Knowles (36:08)

I don't think I'd heard that story.

Alison Gill (36:09)

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like the feeling of having your house broken into is bad enough. And honestly, I think Doge was just a smash and grab to get all of our personal data and give it to Palantir.

Daniel Knowles (36:20)

But added enforcement thing, I mean, that's been my conclusion about it. It's just a device to do things that civil servants would otherwise say. No, they just bully their way through it. And take control of the computer systems and go, all right, we're doing it anyway, you know.

Alison Gill (36:33)

Yeah, precisely. But, you know, it's bad enough your house gets broken into, but then you see a bunch of, you know, a bong and a couple of beer cans and that they had a party when they were doing it. That brings it just an extra level to the, to the violated feeling. All right, thank you again, Daniel Knowles. I appreciate your time today.

Daniel Knowles (36:47)

Great. You too.

Alison Gill (36:48)

Everybody, check them out. The Economist. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back with the good news. Everybody, welcome back. It's time for the good news. Who likes good news?

Daniel Knowles (36:57)

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I'm a relatively new listener to the pod, but have been listening basically every day for a few months now. A few weeks ago someone asked, where's all the protest music? I have an answer for that. A little over a decade ago, another person asked that same question. His name was Vincent Harding. He was a civil rights leader and an activist and was a mentor to members of the hip hop band the Flobots in Denver, Colorado. When Vincent Harding asked them that question, where's all the protest music? Where's the music for this revolution? The Flobots had an answer. It's inside all of us. Jamie Laurie, the lead emcee of the Flobots, and other members of the band started a project called no Enemies. No Enemies is not really a choir, but it's more like a loose confederation of people that gather on a non regular basis to sing and raise their voices and then bring the music that they practice together back to the streets. 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