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Friday, July 4th, 2025 Today, the Billionaire Bailout Bill has passed the House after the Trump regime turns the Republican holdouts and Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries filibusters the vote for over 8 hours; 20 states sue after the Trump administration releases private Medicaid data to deportation officials; a judge grants Mr Abrego’s request for an order reminding the government that it has to stop making extrajudicial statements; the Supreme Court agrees to hear a case that would ban transgender girls from girls sports; a man has been arrested for trying to bring a ghost gun into a Capitol office building; the Pico Rivera school board is demanding answers after they say video shows 10 ICE agents urinating in "public view" on high school grounds. Dana is out and about!
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Alison Gill
MSW Media hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Friday, July 4, 2025. Today, the billionaire bailout bill has passed the House after the Trump regime turns the Republican holdouts and Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries filibusters the vote for over 8 hours. 20 states are suing Donald Trump and the administration after they released private Medicaid data to deportation officials. A judge has granted Mr. Abrego's request for an order reminding the government that it has to stop making extrajudicial statements about him. The Supreme Court agrees to hear a case that would ban transgender girls from girls sports. A man has been arrested for trying to bring a ghost gun into the Capitol office building. And the Pico Rivera school board is demanding answers after they say video shows 10 ICE agents urinating in public view on a high school campus. I'm your host, Alison Gill. Hey, everybody, it's ag. It's Friday. It is the 4th of July. It is Independence Day kind of here in the United States. Lots of sad news today for the country, for everyone in the country. But hopefully you can find a small ray of sunshine in my interview with Eugene Carroll later in the show. She always inspires me to keep fighting. So we will be talking a little bit later. I'll also be speaking with John Fugelsang. It's Fugal sang Friday. He's here on the Daily Beans. He's the host of tell Me Everything on Sirius XM Progress. Dana will be back soon. Thank you for sticking with me solo this week and welcome to all our new listeners. We got a ton of new listeners this week. Thank you for for joining us. If you feel like sharing some listener submitted good news with us, please do introduce yourself. Welcome to the Leguminati. You can send it to us@dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. We'll have the good news later in the show. Another bit of news. You may remember that the Daily Beans filed a FOIA lawsuit against Doge alongside the First Amendment Coalition. It was filed by National Security councilors and Cal McClanahan. We filed in the Northern District of California, but the case was transferred to the District of Columbia and we were assigned to Chief Judge Boasberg. And we learned today that he's retaining jurisdiction rather than consolidating our case with the CRU FOIA case. So I'll keep you posted on next steps. But as we all warned ahead of the election, Republicans have gutted Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP climate protection projects, and much more just to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. The Republican holdouts, by the way, were seen leaving the White House with Trump autographed MAGA hats and swag bags. So they sold out their constituents for some fucking bullshit swag made in China, probably. We are going to make them pay in every election between now and forever. And don't forget, MSW Media has a blue wave California fund. If we flip the seats just here in California, we can take back the House. And we have a link to the donation page in the show notes. It's always there. Also on the docket today, Mr. Abrego's lawyers asked a federal judge in Tennessee to enforce the rule prohibiting the local court rule prohibiting the government from making prejudicial statements, extrajudicial statements, about Mr. Abrego. He you remember when I first happened when Pam Bondi did that press conference and she called him a human trafficker and he beat his wife and that he hit on underage girls and all, you know, all this other that wasn't in the indictment that he hasn't been charged with and that it was prejudicial. I said, you, you can't do that. That's against Department of Justice policy. And there's local court rules that prevent that kind of extrajudicial from happening as well. So Mr. Abrego's lawyer said, hey, Judge, kind of like a gag order, but not really just enfor the rules. And the judge agreed. They granted that motion. So the court ordered the government to follow that local court rule. We'll see how long it lasts. We know Pam Bondi and Marco Rubio and Donald Trump can't help themselves and Stephen Miller can't help themselves when they want to lie about Mr. Abrego even though they're freeing at least one five time deported convicted felon, they're freeing that person and giving them asylum here in the United States just to get their testimony against Mr. Abrego, who's never committed a felony in his life. So we shouldn't be surprised by that behavior. I'm sure it will continue. And then again, what is the court going to do, right? I mean, this whole administration is try and stop us. That's their slogan. What are you going to do about it? Right? Like somebody had said, man, I wish we had laws that had teeth. And we do, but all the teeth are controlled by the bad guys. So anyway, we'll keep reporting on it. The Supreme Court is still horrible. They proved that again today, remember a week ago or so when they state a lower court ruling by Judge Murphy that prohibited the government from Disappearing people to third countries, third party countries, countries that are not the country of origin of the person they want to disappear there. You'll remember the Trump administration put eight people on a plane to South Sudan, war torn South Sudan. And Judge Murphy had already issued the order that they, you know, there was a nationwide injunction with class action that people couldn't be removed to third countries, right. Under the Conventions Against Torture Act. So the government violated that court order by sending those people to South Sudan. Murphy had an emergency hearing. He said, no, you can't. They landed in Djibouti on the way. And then in Djibouti, Judge Murphy said, these people need to at least be given their due process. They need to be given a cat interview, a Convention Against Torture interview to see if they fear for their lives in this third, third country that you want to send them to, that's due process. The Supreme Court's already said 9, 0, that we have to give some due process, right? So he issued a remedial order saying, you got to give them due process. And do you want to return them to the United States and give them their due process? And the DOJ was like, no, please, no, your honor, can we just do it on the ground in Djibouti? Please, please, can we just do it on the ground in Djibouti? The judge is like, okay. And he put forward all the little rules and things and everything that had to be done on the ground in Djibouti. And then the DOJ complained about having to do it on the ground in Djibouti. It was their choice to do it that way. And then they went to the Supreme Court and said, please don't make us do this. Now, what's happened is that when the Supreme Court overturned the initial order that was violated when they put people on the plane to South Sudan, they didn't. The Supreme Court, when they stayed that Judge Murphy ordered, they didn't say anything about his remedial order to correct the violation of his initial order by the government. So the government said, hey, Supreme Court, can you clarify that? This also includes these people in Djibouti. This includes Judge Murphy's remedial order for us breaking his initial order. And the Supreme Court today said, yeah, it includes that those people can go to South Sudan without due process. That's what they did today. And in her dissent, this is what Justice Sotomayor said, quote, in a democracy, power implies responsibility. The greater the power that defies law, the less tolerant can this court be of defiance as the nation's ultimate judicial tribunal. This court, beyond any other organ of society, is the trustee of law and charged with the duty of securing obedience to it. This court continues to invert those principles. Today's order clarifies only one thing. Other litigants must follow the rules, but the administration has the Supreme Court on speed dial. Respectfully, I dissent. Andy and I are going to cover this on the Unjustified podcast this weekend, so I hope you listen. All right, everybody, we have a lot of news to get to. Let's hit the Hot Notes. Hot Notes first up from cnn, the Trump administration viol federal privacy laws when it turned over Medicaid data on millions of enrollees to deportation officials last month. That's according to California Attorney General Rob Bonta in a filing on Tuesday that He filed with 19 other state attorneys general, and they've sued over this move. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr's advisors ordered the release of a data set that included private health information of people living in California, Illinois, Washington State and Washington, D.C. to the Department of Homeland Security, the Associated Press first reported last month. This release of the data all of those states allow non U.S. citizens to enroll in Medicaid programs that pay for their expenses using only state taxpayer dollars, not federal. The unusual data sharing of private health information, including addresses, names, Social Security numbers, immigration status and claims data for enrollees in those states was released to deportation officials as they accelerated enforcement efforts across the country. The data could be used to help the Department of Homeland Security locate migrants in its mass deportation campaign, Bonta said. The Trump administration's data release violates the federal health privacy protection laws, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability act, otherwise known as hipaa. Quote this is about flouting seven decades of federal law, policy and practice the that have made it clear that personal health care data is confidential and can only be shared in certain narrow circumstances that benefit the public's health or the Medicaid program. That's what Bonta said during a news conference on Tuesday. The move to shore up the federal government's data on immigrant Medicaid enrollees appears to have been set in motion in May when the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced it would be reviewing some states roles to ensure federal funds have not been used to pay for coverage with people with unsatisfactory immigration status. Again, this is paid by state taxpayer dollars. As part of the review, CMS asked California, Washington and Illinois to share details about non US Citizens who've enrolled in their state's Medicaid program. That's According to a June 6 memo signed by Medicaid Deputy Director Sarah Vitolo that was obtained by the Associated Press. The memo was written by several CMS officials under Votolo's supervision. CMS officials attempted to fight the data sharing request from Homeland Security, saying that to do so would violate federal laws, including the Social Security act and the Privacy act of 1974. The legal arguments outlined in the memo were not persuasive to Trump appointees at HHS, which oversees the Medicare Centers for Medicare and Medicaid. Four days after the memo was sent on June 10, HHS officials directed the transfer of the data to DHS by 5:30 Eastern today. That's according to an email exchange obtained by the Associated Press. HHS is, quote, aggressively cracking down on states that may be misusing federal Medicaid funds. That's what agency spokesman Andrew Nixon said in a statement. And this is all fucking bullshit. It's a pretext to say, well, we want to look at your California, for example. You say you just spend state taxpayer dollars on Medicaid for migrants. We want to look at your data and make sure that no federal dollars are being spent when actually they're using these data to find and disappear these migrants. Again, we've seen it with the irs, right, where they, you know, migrants pay taxes billions a year. And, and we've always promised, the government's always promised, like just pay your taxes, we're not going to come after you for immigration. And then we betrayed them by using their tax status to, to find and disappear them. Same with this, same with Social Security information. Same with, I mean, you name it, the post office. It's all part of them trying to just locate migrants that they can go after and put in concentration camps. HHS acted entirely within its legal authority and in full compliance with all applicable laws to ensure that Medicaid benefits are reserved for individuals who are lawfully entitled to receive them. That's what the Nixon said in a statement. That's agency HHS agency spokesperson Andrew Nixon. It's not what it was used for. Now, dozens of Democratic members of Congress in both the House and the Senate have sent letters to the involved agencies demanding the data sharing cease and that Homeland Security destroy the information it's received so far. So that's what's going on there Next from Politico. The Supreme Court will decide whether states can ban transgender girls from girls sports teams, plunging the high court back into the national debate around the rights of trans people. The court on Thursday added a pair of cases to next term's docket about state laws in Idaho and West Virginia that ban people assigned male at birth from competing on school teams for women and girls. About half of the states have similar laws, according to court papers. The justices announced they will hear appeals from Idaho and West Virginia against lower court orders that blocked the bans from taking effect. An appeals court ruled that Idaho's law violates the Constitution's equal protection clause by targeting transgender people, while another appeals court concluded that the West Virginia law violates Title 9, the Federal Law banning most sex discrimination by schools. Given the court's recent I guarantee you they're going to allow states to decide this states rights right. Arguments in the case are likely to take place in this fall, with decisions expected by June of 2026. Now this is the Supreme Court's third major foray into transgender related issues in recent years. Last month, the justice has voted 6:3 to uphold a Tennessee law that bans transgender medical care for minors. In 2020, the high court issued an unexpected 6:3 decision that federal law bans discrimination against transgender people in employment. And the Supreme Court has already given Trump the go ahead to proceed with one of his policies targeting transgender people. That's a ban on trans people serving in the military. So I don't think this is going to go well. I'll keep an eye on those cases. Next up from cbs, A Maryland man has been charged with trying to bring a ghost gun into a house office building. Last week, Jason White, 35, allegedly tried to bring the gun through a security checkpoint at the Cannon House Office building shortly after 8:30am on June 24. The firearm was detected when White placed his bag through a metal detector at an entrance to the building. The House was in session at the time, with lawmakers and staffers arriving at the Capitol complex for a series of committee hearings. Quote, there's no serial number present anywhere on the firearm, according to an affidavit shared with cbs. The filing said it had a barrel length of less than 12 inches and was fully functional. Ghost guns are typically made from kits and can be assembled at home, making them untraceable by law enforcement. White was arrested and told officers he forgot that he had the gun in his bag. H just forgot you had a gun going into the Cannon, the Canon Office Building. All right. Finally, our last story from the San Gabriel Valley Tribune. The Department of Homeland Security was investigating late Wednesday after El Rancho Unified School District Board of Education leaders released video footage they say show several federal immigration agents trespassing on one of its campuses and allegedly Urinating in public view. School district officials said the footage confirmed that eight to 10 agents entered the campus at around 9am June 17 and parked their vehicles and urinated on the grounds of the Reuben Salazar High School near storage containers after they were asked to leave. That's according to district officials, that they said in a letter sent Wednesday to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and to Todd Lyons, acting director of U.S. immigration and Customs Enforcement. That's ICE. So they came on the school grounds, they were told to leave, they stopped and urinated in public view on a high school campus. Contacted Wednesday evening, a Homeland Security spokesperson said this matter is under investigation. Yeah, sure. School officials have called the behavior inappropriate and of profound concern amid the federal government's wider crackdown on immigration in Pico Rivera and several Southern California cities. Superintendent Marco Villegas and School Board President John Contreras demanded a federal investigation into the incident and a report of its findings. School leaders said that on the morning of June 17, eight to ten marked and unmarked ICE vehicles were seen parked on the campus parking lot. School district staffers told the agents they were not given consent to be there and they were told to leave. The agents complied and the district noted the incident in a message that was published on the school district website and school social media pages. But right after that, school district staff reported to the district's executive management they saw the agents urinating in public view at the Salazar High School campus. Quote, ice agents unlawfully trespassed on school grounds and did not exercise sound and respectful judgment. That's what John Contrera said. School board President Contrera said the area is adjacent to a preschool playground, the Smith park and the Valencia Academy of Arts, which was in session for summer school. Superintendent Villegas said the district's letter was sent to Senator Alex Padilla, Senator Adam Schiff, State Senator Bob Archuletis, Replinda Sanchez, Governor Gavin Newsom, California Attorney General Rob Bonta and other state and local leaders should really be arrested. And I federal investigation isn't going to do right now. I want a state, I want a local. I want the DA on this. I want Banta on this. Fuck these guys. All right, everybody, it's time for some good trouble. What are you guys doing? All right, everybody. Your good trouble assignment today, should you choose to accept it, is to head to Etsy and find the sellers hawking concentration camp swag and flood them with shitty one star reviews and shame emails. Fuck those guys for ruining Etsy for awesome people who have their stores there. So if you're a Rad small business owner. And you're on Etsy. We support you and we see you. Let's boot these guys off the platform, shall we? So head there, give them shitty reviews, email bomb the fuck out of them. Fuck those dudes. And if you want your email to remain anonymous, set up an email at proton.protonmail. okay everybody, we're going to be right back with the inimitable fighter, my hero, Eugene Carroll. Stick around, we'll be right back.
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John Fugelsang
After these messages we'll derive.
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Alison Gill
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, I made you. I made you, you, Allison, to start recording because I did not want to waste this just on you. I wanted your listeners who adore you to hear. The last and final and great memory I have of you is you walking in to Mary Trump's party in the most fabulous crimson colored Alexander McQueen original gown. Just, it had a skirt about seven acres wide. And you wore it not with ladylike little heels and not with, you know, little flats. No, no, no. You wore combat boots with was. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable and it was unforgettable. What did you do with that dress?
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Alison Gill
I still have it. It's right over there in my closet. Yeah, and that was an unforgettable night, too. I got to meet. I had never met Mary Trump's daughter and I got to meet her, who is fantastic. And it was the first time I met you and it was just you said something to me that never left my brain. I had said somebody had just called me, I don't know, like Laura Loomer somebody, some right wing person had just called me a smart mouth bitch. And you said, well, you are the most fabulous smart mouth bitch I've ever known. And so I've always taken that as a compliment. Now, in fact, I tried to put a book out about the, the failings of corporate media about two years ago called Smartmouth. Oh, but of course, because no corporate media would have me on to interview me. It never got picked up. So I've just been releasing it for free on my substack.
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, that's, no, that's, that's the glory of Substack. Substack is not subservient to, to legacy media. We each own Our own media companies. We do, yeah. It's brilliant. And substack, okay, this is probably an exaggeration, but Substack is really holding the line as the democracy in our country is split apart because not everybody can read the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal. They just don't. They read their own Facebook feeds, et cetera, et cetera. And this is. The writers on substack each have their own coder while you have your beloved readers. So they get to hear you. And it's great. It's great. It's working. It's working. Yeah. So good.
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Alison Gill
I love it there. I do. Let's talk a little bit about your book. This is. This is so fantastic because I remember something that you said, I think, in an interview on MSNBC during the trial, your trial. And I can't remember if it was Eugene 1 or Eugene 2. We had a couple and E. Gene 2 came first. But you had said, all of a sudden I looked at him and he's just a man just sitting there. And all of his power went away.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah.
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Alison Gill
And that stuck with me as well.
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, Allison, if you looked at, you know, we sat, we were very close. If I turned around, if I literally turned around and reached this, I could have grabbed it by the hair. He is an old fat guy in apricot colored makeup with his hair like Tippi Hedren in the Birds. He is just an old man. However, people have imbued him with this enormous power for no reason. So if I, an old lady, can beat Trump twice, anybody can beat him. Anybody. So that's what the book is about. The book is very funny. The book goes behind the scenes and talks, brings the audience into the high comedy that this was. And the cast of characters is not even anything. Even Jonathan Swift could not have come up with this cast of characters. So I am calling it a beach read.
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Alison Gill
Oh, good. I need one for this summer.
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E. Jean Carroll
No, no, a beach read. You want to hear about, you know, the glamour of Alina Haba. Right. And the glory of Joe Tacopina and the brains of Robby Kaplan and Judge Kaplan, who should be on the Sistine Chapel as God. He's so conservative and frightening. This is the book. This is the book.
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Alison Gill
Let's talk about taco pants, Mr. Joey taco pants is what we called him because he feels like he would have a nickname like that. I thought it was an extraordinary error to have a man cross examine you. And I think they changed course after that extraordinary error and they still lost. But I'm not sure what possessed them to think that a bully in a cheap suit like Joey Taco Pants could come up and try to, try to say, well, is it, is this a photo of you in 19, in 2003, smiling. Raped women don't walk around the streets smiling like this.
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E. Jean Carroll
Look at this.
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Alison Gill
And, and though I just felt a collective gasp from every single woman, probably every single person in this country, like, how do you, how is that your. Your legal, you know, plan? That's your plan?
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E. Jean Carroll
No, that, Allison. Donald Trump hired Joe Tacopina because Joe Tacopina is one of the greatest defense attorneys in the country. You know, not very many people are better or smarter than Joe Tacopina. I mean, if you bludgeon Natalee Holloway on a beach, who are you going to call? Joe Tacopina. If you're Michael Jackson and you've been accused of child abuse, who are you going to call? Joe Tacopina. If you're ASAP Rocky and you shot somebody, you got a gun, who are you going to call? Joe. And he got every single one of those people acquitted or off. He's brilliant. But here's the problem. What do you got a dog there?
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Alison Gill
These are my cats. They keep interrupting. They want to meet you.
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E. Jean Carroll
Bring the cats in. Bring them on your desk. Come on, kitty. Here we go. Hello, kitty. Oh. Oh, my God. What a beautiful cat. What a beauty.
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Alison Gill
They're out there chasing each other.
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E. Jean Carroll
They're big cat. So, of course, because Taina defends criminals, Trump hired Tacapena. Taina was. I'm going to defend Tacopina here. Taina was following Trump's orders.
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Alison Gill
Yeah.
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E. Jean Carroll
Tacopina was following Trump's orders. And Donald Trump and most of the Republican Party believes that there's a perfect victim. And that perfect victim always reports to the police.
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Alison Gill
Right.
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E. Jean Carroll
No matter if the man is going to retaliate, no matter if she's going to lose her job, no matter if she has no money, no matter if she has two or three kids and won't be able to feed him. They don't care. The perfect victim reports. The perfect victim always screams, no matter what. And after the assault, the perfect victim goes into a cave and covers herself with a dish towel and never smiles again. That's the perfect victim. So Takapina, who. Not cheap suits. He's wearing, he's wearing a Patek Philippe watch that cost $3.3 million. Joe Tacopina. Wait a minute. Joe Tacopina. Actually, after he had done cross examining me, Allison, it was on a day when he was beating up on other witnesses. I come walking down the Runway. The judge was not there. The jury wasn't there. Judge Kaplan's Runway is famous in New York for just having fabulous things going on. So there's Joe Tacopina leaning against the jury box, you know, and he's waiting for me. And I come towards him, and he says, Ms. Carol. I say, Mr. Tacopina, he says, you're beating me at the dressing game. I said, Mr. Tacapena, you wear $6,000 suits. I know, because Gentleman's Quarterly, the men's fashion magazine, says you wear $6,000 suits. He said, no, no. And he opened his jacket, Allison, and he showed me inside. I could see the signature of his very famous tailor and the lining. You have not seen the Aurora Borealis until you've seen the inside of Joe Taine's jacket. So, of course he was telling me the truth. His suits don't cost $6,000. His suits cost way more than $6,000.
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Alison Gill
So you had insult. Yeah, that was an. $6,000 was an insult.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah, yeah. No, you were. Well, see, that's the thing. So, you know, he's a smart defense attorney. He tries to keep his client happy. Trump made him, I think, because Joe Taco Bell is too smart to beat up on a victim.
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Alison Gill
Just.
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E. Jean Carroll
And he beat up on Carol Martin.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, we see this a lot with Trump and his lawyers telling his lawyers what to do and his lawyers having to do it and being, like, abjectly embarrassed by having to do it.
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, you should have heard him when Alina Haba, Esquire, who is now. He is nominated for the official Attorney General of New Jersey. He. I could hear every word. They were sitting right behind me. He would belittle her and say, stand up. Stand up. Object to that. Object. He was telling her what to do. And, you know, even the case she presented, she could have done a better job if he and Boris Epstein, they snarled and snapped at her and growled and hissed. It's despicable to listen to a woman being belittled by the man who is running for president. She was vice president of his pac, by the way. So it's paid off for her. It's paid off. She's now going to be the Attorney General. So she took his horrible, despicable loathing and his telling her what to do. I mean, the prickles on my arms are just standing up. I can't stand to hear a woman berated like that, even if it's Alina Haba who can certainly defend herself. So it was fascinating.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Did you start the book with a specific idea about it and finish with a different one? Like, what was the best thing about writing this book for you?
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, that's a good question, because I started the book, I turned in the first 50 pages to Elizabeth Dissengard, my editor at St. Martin's and Elizabeth said.
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Alison Gill
She'S holding her nose, everyone, let's chat.
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E. Jean Carroll
And the first 50 pages, she says, e. Jean, you're not a lawyer. What are you writing? And what is it? You're not a lawyer. I thought I was presenting the legal case. So that Allison, that gave me permission. That just gave me permission. So I just ripped it up and started out and just. Oh, my God, I loved writing this book. I started out with Alina Haba asking me to list everybody I've ever slept with. Yeah. Do you mind? Do you mind? I hate to ask. Can you please list everybody you've slept with? So many. That's how the book starts. And it's got that sort of behind the scenes, ridiculous, absurd goings on throughout the book, even though the center of the book, of course, is deadly serious.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Because it felt like you enjoyed writing it. But, yeah, the deadly serious part. Talk about that.
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, we were there because for years women had been coming forward about Donald Trump. I mean, and it was one after another. And I don't know officially how many 12, certainly, that have had, you know, very, very strong accusations. Some people say 23, some people say. How many do you think, Allison? 43, 48, 23? I don't know.
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Alison Gill
At least. At least 26, right?
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah. Well, you've done four or five shows. You've mentioned it. So I was the only woman to bring him to court. So I felt it not only should be on my behalf, but for every woman who had accused him and he had, you remember, he just would say that we were all lovely and it couldn't possibly be true. Remember the horrible things he said about the women who came forward? Horrible thing. So that was satisfying. And then it became for me, for.
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Alison Gill
All women, because I was going to say that, yeah, it goes beyond just people who are victims or survivors of Donald Trump. We all felt, all of us who have not seen justice in a case where we've been sexually assaulted, which is pretty much every woman I know felt this win. And you keep winning, Eugene. Every time this goes to appeal, you and your amazing lawyer, Robbie Kaplan and her team keep winning. Now, he wanted the DOJ to represent him on our taxpayer dollars. And the court said, no, sir.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah.
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Alison Gill
And you keep winning.
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, I sit there and just smile. Robby Kaplan is the one who keeps tearing them to shreds. To shreds. It is unbelievable. And they keep coming back for more because they keep exhaust their appeals. And Robbie just keeps winning. You know, a week and a half ago, she took their heads off their shoulders and pitched them through the windows of the United States Courts of Appeals. I mean, it was. It was devastating. So, you know, we'll go to the Supreme Court probably. I don't know. Alison, what's your opinion? Do you think the Supreme Court would even take. It would be the second case. It would be the 83 million for, you know, presidential immunity case. Do you think the Supreme Court will take that case? Because it will eventually end up there.
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Alison Gill
They. They might. They were champing at the bit to get the second round from Jack Smith so that they could decide themselves in their robes and their rule for the ages what was immune and what were official acts. Right. Because they sent the immunity case back down to the. The lower courts for the January 6th trial and said, tell us what you think is immune and then we'll take a second look at it. And they never got that chance. Oh, and I feel like they wanted to, you know, swing their mighty robes and hand the executive unitary power greater powers than he already had.
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E. Jean Carroll
Wow. This is a new idea, Allison.
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Alison Gill
So I'm very curious to see if they will accept this so that they can further make immunity decisions on these, what, five, seven pieces of evidence. And have you noticed, by the way, that Donald Trump has started signing his tweets and his truth social posts with Donald J. Trump, President of the United States? I think that's because he wants those to be official pieces that might. When they might show up in evidence later in court.
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E. Jean Carroll
That's brilliant.
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Alison Gill
Because of you.
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, as soon as we get off this podcast, I'm calling Robby and telling her to watch it because. And to listen to it because you present a very stirring argument for them taking a second bite. I admit that I was looking at it differently. I was thinking, do they really want to take a case where the President has been found liable for sexual abuse? But maybe they would.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, but you gotta remember, it was. Now, she's no hero of mine, but Justice Amy Coney Barrett was against the idea of keeping evidence like tweets as possibly immune immunity evidence. She was against that. So there might not be enough votes for this to be taken up by the Supreme Court. Plus, they're going to be, frankly, inundated with hundreds and Hundreds of other cases because of all of the lawless executive orders that are coming out of the White House. Right. We've seen hundreds of cases that are being challenged in court. So they're going to have already be inundated with so many cases, so much so that Chief Justice Roberts just this past week was kind of embarrassed at the judicial conference about how they were so backed up with cases at the end of the term that they were getting to a lot of them. And I'm like, well, sir, you made your bed. You crowned him king. Now you can be stuck with all of these cases. And if you don't have to take them all, sir, if you don't want to. So we'll see what they do. It's going to be very interesting.
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E. Jean Carroll
Allison, I'm very interested in your opinion here. What do you think? If you're a betting woman. I know. And so what do you think? Are they going to take it or not?
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Alison Gill
I would bet if they need five votes to take it. I'm not real sure about the rules. It's either four or five votes. But if they need five votes to take it, they might not, because I don't know that Amy Coney Barrett would necessarily want to look at that. But some of the other, you know, men like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh who want to make rules for the ages and put their stamp of fascism on whatever comes through their courtroom, might want to make a decision on whether or not these pieces of evidence were, you know, subject to immunity. But how could they possibly be? This isn't like the Michael Cohen Stormy Daniels case, where he was president for a time. No.
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, he said the horrible things three days running when I came out and accused him in the first place. That's. But he was. He was in the White House when he said all those things.
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Alison Gill
That's very true.
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E. Jean Carroll
So. But he was calling me too ugly to attack as his duty as president. No, that's the case. That's the case. But they do have a strong case, Alison. They have a strong case. He maybe should be given total ability to say whatever he wants about what happened 25 years before. It's. I can see Alito doing 100%.
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Alison Gill
Oh, for sure.
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E. Jean Carroll
And Thomas doing 100%.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Probably Kavanaugh.
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E. Jean Carroll
But I don't know anything about the courts. Swear to God, I am the most ignorant. I don't pay much attention. You know, I'm in my own. I live in the country in a hubble. You know, I'm even embarrassed I gave that opinion Right there. You know, I just watch Robbie and just think, come and get it, guys. Come and get it. Go right ahead. Because, you know, she would tear him to shreds again, I think. But we'll see.
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Alison Gill
I don't know. She's just brilliant. That's one thing, if I have to offer my opinion, is that you have, like, the best counsel going into it. So, you know.
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E. Jean Carroll
And you know who introduced me to Robbie?
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Alison Gill
Was it. I did know this. Was it George Conway?
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E. Jean Carroll
Yes, it was George Conway.
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Alison Gill
Oh, I did know that. Yes.
- [43:02]
E. Jean Carroll
Yeah, you knew it. You pulled that out.
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Alison Gill
Five years later, all these facts floating around in my head and I don't know where I was yesterday.
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E. Jean Carroll
I know you do remember George Conway, but. Yeah. Well done, Allison. Well done.
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Alison Gill
Thank you. Well, this is a. Such an incredible book. I. I like how one of the reviews said, breezily barbed.
- [43:24]
E. Jean Carroll
I think that's a good one.
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Alison Gill
Just a beautiful way to put this book. And. And I hope everybody gets a copy. It's called Not My One Woman versus A President. If you've personally been looking for a little bit of justice for yourself, this is. That you never got. This is a great book because it's like justice by Proxy.
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E. Jean Carroll
Thank you, Allison. See, coming from you, that is very full of meeting, double meeting, a triple meeting. So thank you. Thank you very much. And say, what is. What are the cats names?
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Alison Gill
Well, that was Ghost and Chumbas. And now we've got. Stove is here. His name is Stove.
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E. Jean Carroll
Like the cat who sat on the stove.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, yeah. Well, his name was Steve when I rescued him. And there's this brilliant movie of incredibly funny women called Bridesmaids. And at one point, Kristen Wieg is drunk on a plane. And. And the guy, the steward, the flight attendant's name is Steve and she calls him Stove.
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E. Jean Carroll
Stove. Yeah.
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Alison Gill
What a kind of name is Stove.
- [44:34]
E. Jean Carroll
You know, I love that.
- [44:36]
Alison Gill
So that became Steve's name here as well.
- [44:40]
E. Jean Carroll
So I think I'll watch Bridesmaid A Night. I need an uplift. This is good.
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Alison Gill
It's a good one.
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E. Jean Carroll
It's a good one, Stove. Well, gift Stove a hug from old Auntie E. And it's been great talking to you, Alison.
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Alison Gill
It's always good to talk to you, my dear. My Valkyrie, my friend, my winner, my justice by proxy goddess. Thank you so much.
- [45:02]
E. Jean Carroll
We'll see if you live up on that, because I'll call you to borrow that Alexander McQueen dress.
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Alison Gill
Absolutely. You're welcome to it. Thank you, everybody. Right after this quick break, we're going to be talking to John Fugelsang on Fugal sang Fridays. So stick around, we'll be right back. Hey, everybody, welcome back. It is Friday on the Daily Beans. That means it's Fugal saying Friday. So please welcome my good friend, host of Tell Me Everything, which you can catch on SiriusXM progress channel 127 weeknights at 9pm Eastern, 6 Pacific. And if you don't have that, you can always catch the John Fugelsang show podcast or find him on Substack. Please welcome John Fugelsang.
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John Fugelsang
Hello, Dr. Gill. Happy Independence Day. And I just want to say thank you to everyone on the left and right for coming together and showing we could all be as one in not caring about the Jeff Bezos wedding. It was beautiful. For just a brief moment. Right and left reunited this week. It's good to see you.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, just that very brief moment because then of course, we had all sorts of Republicans decrying the billionaire bailout bill because it leaves US with a 4 or $5 trillion deficit. So the deficit hawks and the Medicare, the Medicaid moderates and people in the Freedom Caucus in the House, and of course the people who just didn't think it cut enough of our, you know, earned and earned benefits.
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John Fugelsang
Well, that's it. If you can't care about the poor people, think of the poor money. Think of the poor money.
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Alison Gill
Think of the poor money, everyone. Just think of it all sitting there in our bank accounts needing to be transferred to the wealthy. I mean, how selfish are we that we want to, you know, feed our children or, you know, go to work and earn a living wage when we really should be giving those dollars not to ourselves, not our own money, to ourselves for programs that we paid into, but to continue the maskless, unmarked kidnapping and deportation and disappearance of our neighbors and soon us, you know, without due process.
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John Fugelsang
Now you're getting the hang of it. There you go.
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Alison Gill
How can we be so selfish?
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John Fugelsang
Folks, they're not ending Medicaid, okay? They're introducing a brand new medical plan. Have you tried dying? So watch out for that. But you're right. I mean, 11 over, closer to 12 million Americans are about to get financially curb stomped. So these easily bought of the Republican Congress can pay back their pimps. And I apologize to sex workers for comparing y' all to Republicans. It's the largest legal wealth transfer in American history. It is the largest debt ceiling increase in American history. It is taking money from the 90% on the bottom of and handing it all to the top 1%. 11.8 million Americans will be stripped of health insurance, and yet it's still adding over $3 trillion to the debt. Allison. I mean, like, like, what do we get for this 3 trillion that's added to the next generation's debt? We get closed hospitals and we're going to get closed nursing homes. And I guess what, like your, your, your local old age home will be a Spirit Halloween store. I mean, it's hard to imagine how big the suffering will be from cutting 930 billion for Medicaid. That's 12 million Americans losing health insurance, many of them disabled, who can't go and get jobs, who aren't ready to do that, many of whom have jobs already. Slashes 20% from food stamps. That is going to hit American soldiers because we don't pay our soldiers enough. And their families are very often on snap benefits. And then 3.3 trillion to the deficit while also cracking open new coal tax subsidies in this centuries, but putting taxes on wind, solar and batteries. They are literally trying to shut down the economy of the future to prop up the ugliest part of the 20th century. Even Elon Musk, Allison, Elon Musk is like, dudes, I didn't bribe you guys this much. Elon Musk is against this, and it's going to make him substantially richer.
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Alison Gill
Well, they want China to win. That's, and I think it's in the bill. The Chinese will win the, you know, the race toward green jobs and green economy. It's almost as if they don't, they think they don't have to win any more elections.
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John Fugelsang
Well, but that's the thing, right? Trump thinks that, but the guys in the House don't. I mean, Thom Tillis is the only Republican who knows he doesn't have to win any more elections. Maybe Mitch McConnell, but even McConnell voted for this. You know, keep that in mind. McConnell for all of his. I'm better than Trump right down to the end. He signed on for. Thom Tillis is more moral than, than him and the Republicans in the House. They know what's going to come from this. And they're not all like Lisa Murkowski making this big public drama an advertisement for their own state to say, look how hard I'm fighting for you. I'm willing to kill the rest of the country just to protect a few thousand fishermen. I mean, you can now write off $50,000 in harpoons in Alaska as opposed to 10,000. That's what Lisa Murkowski fought for. They are kicking 12 million people off health insurance and they're delaying The Medicaid cuts until after the 2026 midterms. So, so that's brilliant, right? Because now it'll be like a, a bomb with a slow fuse. On top of all of this, ICE is getting 30 billion to detain American kids with to of undocumented parents. And our only hope is that, you know, the Democrats can convince people how bad this is before 2026 rolls around. Because all of the cuts to working people are going to happen after the midterms. So there is a very good chance that our elections won't be botched. Democrats will take back the House and the Senate and they can start undoing a lot of this stuff before the most painful cuts kick in. That is the bright, bright silver lining to all of this. But beyond that, this is the most anti American bill I think that's ever passed in the Congress. I mean the contempt for poor people. And if I may, on a personal note, I don't want to see any Republicans ever claim to be Christian again and not have the media challenge them on that because this is an abandoned of the least of us. Yeah, I mean they are complete frauds in all ways. And the only silver lining to it is a lot of conservative brothers and sisters are going to realize, oh my God. You know, it was fun when we were hating the liberals and the brown folks, but wow, that hate boomerangs right back on you.
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E. Jean Carroll
Oh yeah.
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Alison Gill
I mean we'll look at Louisiana after the midterms, of course, when what? 40% of people in that state will lose access to health care. And it is the red counties and Trump voters who rely on SNAP benefits the most.
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John Fugelsang
That's it. Over 50 rural hospitals are now on life support for our pro life friends. Student loans, forget about it. I mean, and again, rich people's kids won't pay a dime. You know, no taxes on tips. Well, that's great. You don't have health care. Your husband lost your job, his job installing solar panels. Your grandma's eaten cat food in the Dollar General parking lot. But hey, you saved two bucks on your Applebee's paycheck with a cap at $25,000. Yes, yes. You know, this is, I mean, you know, I'm calling it the Donor fellatio Act of 2025 because that's what it is. They are coming back and just thanking their owners and that's all this is. They don't represent the people. This is money laundering for billionaires. I mean, you could if you filled Madison Square garden to capacity 590 times that's 11.8 million people. Imagine every one of them getting cancer, but no doctors. I mean, Mike Johnson calls this pro growth. And he's right. It grows the deficit, it grows the number of homeless families, and it grows the rate at which grandma dies of untreated pneumonia in a Motel 6.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, yeah. I'm not feeling very patriotic this Independence Day, but I am reminded of the Declaration of Independence and the demands that were in that particular document and how this bill goes against all of them.
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John Fugelsang
Oh, all of them. Yeah. But again, let's not forget, you know, I'm thinking about the Declaration of Independence a lot right now because we gotta remember America is everything that's good and everything that's bad about the human race turned up to 11. That, like, that's. That's us. Everything that's good about humanity and everything that's corrosive and selfish about humanity, America's got all of it turned up really, really high. So, you know, we're the country founded by slave owners who wanted freedom. The same document that says all men are created equal contains the words merciless Indian savages. I've talked about this before. We are slavery and we are the abolitionist movement. We are segregation and apartheid, and we're the civil rights movement. We are exploitation of labor, and we are the rise of unions and Catholic charities fighting for labor. We are gay bashing and we are Obergefell. We are the marriage equality. This is our society. We are the country that gave the world Duke Ellington and Kid Rock. Right? So we have to decide which side of that paradigm we want to be on. Because I'm always gonna be patriotic for the good people in this country. I'm sorry, but between the natural beauty, the architecture, the creativity, the technology, and the sheer number of decent Americans out there, let's not forget the majority who showed up to vote voted against the Trump agenda three elections in a row. Those people, my heart won't give up on. So I'm still plenty patriotic when it comes to places and people who care about those, they'll never know. But yeah, the flag waving, all of it, it's just unmanly. It's brutally unpatriotic. And it's. It's a brutal, junk wagging middle finger to this Bible these guys claim to follow. They hate America. They hate the people in this country. They hate everything that made this country great. You know, and everything that made this country great to me has been the resistance against authoritarianism. That was the Civil War. That was the Revolutionary War. That was the Civil Rights Movement. That's what we're seeing now on the streets. America has a fantastic, gorgeous history of resisting authoritarianism and douchebaggery. That's what I'm celebrating. That's why I'm still patriotic.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, I agree with you 100%. It's just, it's hard to have fought for so long. You know, this is one of the things we talked about before the election and why people needed to vote.
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John Fugelsang
Yeah.
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Alison Gill
For Kamala Harris is because they were going to initially kick it off with one giant budget reconciliation bill where they didn't need 60 votes.
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John Fugelsang
Like 17. Just like 17.
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Alison Gill
We all saw it coming and we knew that this day would arrive. And so I think the thing that is kind of, I think the hardest for most folks to grasp, not necessarily people who listen to this program or your program, but just, you know, general run of the mill Americans, is that the Democrats and us, you and I, and everybody that was resisting this bill for so long were fighting for them.
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John Fugelsang
Oh, I know, I know. And they hate the people who fight for them. We're like the X Men, right? They, they. We're fighting for them, but they're terrified of us. They call us mutants, but we're actually just more evolved. We are the X Men at this point, and we're fighting for them a lot harder. You see all these posts of folks who said, well, I liked when they were owning the libs and harassing the immigrants, but now I. I'm on Medicaid. This is going to hurt me. The worst part of these people's nightmare, worse than losing health coverage, is that the only people fighting for them are those filthy liberals. And they're going to find out, most of these Republicans, if you lost everything, your party's not going to be there for you. It's going to be those goddamn filthy liberals on the sidelines trying to make sure there's a social safety net so you're okay and your kids can still go to school and you don't have to sell bone marrow on Craigslist to survive. That's the human race, right? We got to be the good guys. We got to be fighting. And look, a lot of suffering is going to come from this, But I also have to believe a lot of good's going to come from this. I have to believe that. And one of the big things to remember is because the Republicans are so slimy and they had the most painful cuts kick in after the 2026 midterms, there's still a chance for Democrats to undo a lot of this. If they can sweep in 2026, a lot of this pain can be kept away.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, agreed.
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John Fugelsang
But again, thank, thank God for legacy media for covering that. There's a 33 year old Muslim dude who wants to give away free housing. The poor people in New York, not free buses. So they're covering that out of this.
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Alison Gill
Not free. No, not free. Not higher minimum wage. What?
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John Fugelsang
Can you believe it? Like, like these. They're blowing up the national debt. They're gutting Medicaid. They're dooming red state voters. They're killing clean energy. And all I'm hearing about is Zoran Mandami. I mean, it's like, it's like we're watching the house burn and CNN saying, are you being too aggressive with that fire hose? It's crazy. This bill steals from the sick. Steals from it steals from the poor, starves the elderly, screws the working class. And again, it is a debt bomb that explodes after Republicans leave office so the next Democrat will get blamed for it. This is a smash and grab heist. The ultra rich are getting permanent tax cuts and struggling people are getting permanent consequences. And it appears because we're so drunk on our own importance and blind to civics that this sort of shit has to happen. This has to happen for us to recognize what it is we're fighting for. We have to do it. I mean, there's not enough of us who care, so we got to get beaten up a bit so more people will wake up.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And it's also funding. It's also turning ICE into the largest law enforcement group in the history of the United States. Were building concentration camps. Meanwhile, Mr. Kilmar Abrego has filed an amended complaint detailing the torture, literal torture, literal torture that he had to. He succumbed to and was party to in Seacoat in El Salvador. All of the details are in there. I wrote it up@muellershirote.com, it's content warning. It's very, very hard to read because of the torture. The literal torture. And now we are building concentration camps here.
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John Fugelsang
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, again, you know these people, the only thing they hate more than a constitution is the New Testament. I mean, Kilmar Brigo Garcia was sent there illegally. Supreme Court ruled 9 nothing and it still took over a month to bring him back. And the DOJ lawyer who told the truth in court, that it was a mistake was fired by Pam Bondi for telling the truth. But he's back. And Rumiesa Ozturk is back. And Mahmoud Khalil is back. And these racists promised us that none of these three people would ever be here again. But the outcry was so great and they backed down. We have to remember, as awful as all this is, we have the signs that they can be beaten. Look at these three people who were illegally kidnapped by these Gestapo, masked cowards, thugs and, and, and shipped out of our country. And the outcry was so great. I mean, Mahmoud Khalil was, was in the country still. But we got them all back. I mean, there are results. There are results much more impressive than a squeaky tank wheel at Trump's stupid parade. Like, we can't lose sight. I know it's exhausting and I know it's draining and demoralizing, but it's like we are all we've got.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah.
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John Fugelsang
And we're doing it. It's not happening enough. But there's. Look, look, I don't believe in my heart there's any way this ends well for Trump and his family. There just isn't. I mean, they can't rewrite all the history books. And historians who haven't been born yet aren't going to care about what was popular now they're going to care about facts. This is going to end so badly for these people. The tragedy is that just like under Bush, Trump will take all the blame and the accomplices and henchmen who allowed all this, they'll skirt away. Everyone who should have gone to jail during the Bush administration stayed there while Bush and Cheney went off to be our national ghouls. And they'll still be there after Trump's gone. I'm not calling this the Trump budget. This is the Republican Party budget. Mike Johnson owns this for the rest of his life.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, I just feel like he doesn't care.
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John Fugelsang
He doesn't care. They care about themselves. Their only creed is selfishness. That's, that's all they care about. And they have a constituent of selfish, shitty white people only care about themselves too. But there's more of us. There's more of us. And, and these guys are going to win a lot of battles. But, but the history books will record them to be the corrupt frauds they are. This is not going to make America better, but it could make the resistance stronger. And you know what? When you have this late stage capitalism and you're so tired of seeing these corporate Democrats who've been in office for 40 years writing sternly worded letters, you don't get to be surprised when a 33 year old Democratic socialist Muslim born in Uganda, gets the overwhelming support of the New York City Democrats for the mayor's race. People are going to push back in different ways, not all of them violent. And I'm thrilled about what we saw in New York because it shows that people are done waiting for their trickle down prize to show up in the mail. 45 years, I'm done.
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Alison Gill
And that people power can, can actually beat the money machine, the Citizens United money machine, the billion, the millions of dollars poured in from Bloomberg. We did it in Wisconsin when we beat Elon's money to get the Supreme Court there, and they just overturned that 1879 abortion ban.
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John Fugelsang
So all because Elon Musk redistributed $20 million of his own wealth and it wasn't enough because we turned out. And when these cuts hit, when the rural hospitals close, when the kids go hungry, when, when solar installers get pink slips while ICE is building another concentration camp, we're all going to know who did it. Red state folks will know who did it too.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Yeah.
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John Fugelsang
I mean, look, how many, how many Republicans 20 years later do you see defending George W. Bush in the Iraq war, Right? Remember we were kids and there were these old guys who still defended Nixon and they were weird ghouls and there's none of them anymore. 20 years, it took less.
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Alison Gill
I think just. I think it's just Roger Stone running around and maybe we'll have like an old Stephen Miller, you know.
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John Fugelsang
Oh, Roger Stone. That tattoo was the closest we got to putting Nixon behind bars. But no one defends Bush and Cheney anymore. When's the last time one of these rat bastards called you an UN American terrorist lover because you were against the Iraq war? They believe in nothing but themselves. So in 10 years, half of these people are going to be denying they ever voted. Mark my words, listeners, in 10 years, your racist cousin will deny he ever voted. I voted for him the first time. Maybe they have no loyalty. They only believe in me, Me, me, me, me.
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Alison Gill
Agreed. Thank you so much, my friend. I always appreciate you and everybody. If you want to catch more John Fugalsang, you can do that on Sirius XM progress channel 127 is called Tell Me Everything. It's every weeknight at 9pm Eastern, 6 Pacific. John Fugal SANG SHOW podcast John Fugal saying substack. We're not calling it the Fugal Stack.
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John Fugelsang
That too.
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Alison Gill
And new book coming out pretty soon, that Separation of Church.
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John Fugelsang
And new book coming out. Yeah, next month. It's now next month. And oh, the celebrity blurbs are rolling. In. It's getting exciting. I'm measuring my life in blurbs. But that's on sale now, coming out, coming out very soon. And if I may, Allison, I just want to say that I refuse to be down on the 4th of July. I'm not wired that way. I don't let these rat bastards get into my heart like that. But I want to thank you and your listeners for what you do here because you are one of the people who makes me proud to be in America. So thank you.
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Alison Gill
Same back at you, my friend. Back at you.
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John Fugelsang
Thank you.
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Alison Gill
Thank you so much, everybody. We have listeners submitted good news we have to get to right after this break. Stick around. We'll be right back, everybody. Welcome back. It's time for the good news, everyone.
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John Fugelsang
Then good news, everyone.
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Alison Gill
Good news because some boy we could use this Friday good news dump. Thank you for sending it to us@dailybeanspod.com and click on Contact. Any tiny, small or huge thing that's good news that's going on in your life or that you've heard or you want to share with us. Maybe some great community activism in your area or a cool postcarding group or you know, maybe, maybe you've got a great nonprofit that you work for or that is in your area that you want to give a shout out to or a shout out to a loved one or family member or yourself. Like a self shout out. We love those too. Also shout outs to government programs that have helped you or a loved one. We want to lift those up and let everybody know how important they are with individual storytelling. Send that to us and send it all. Dailybeanspod.com click on Contact and all you got to do to get your submission read on the air is pay your POD pet tariff, which means attach a photo of your pet. If you don't have a pet, you can send an adoptable pet in your area. We're pretty good about finding forever homes for those little guys. If you don't have that, you can send any animal photo on the Internet. Really grab us a red panda or a black and white panda or some frogs or secretary bird, capybara, pygmy marmosets. Any really any animal will do send it to us. And if you don't have that, bird watching photos are always great. Can be an actual bird or you and your family and friends flipping the bird to trump and musk properties. That's bird watching. That counts. And if you don't have any of that, send your family photos, awkward family photos, adorable family Photos, Photos of your happy place. Somewhere that makes you happy. Maybe you have a beautiful sunset that you want to send to us. Just anything at all. Send it to us@dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. First up, from Kim. I downloaded a PDF of the Constitution and sent it to my representative, Earl Carter. I wanted him to know what he swore an oath to and I used I appreciate your attention to this matter as a sign off. I love y'. All. Every morning I'm encouraged by the beans. Yeah, here's my fur baby Maca as pod tags. Oh, look at that. That's a look a sweet baby. Oh, I want to hug that doggo. Kim, thank you so much for that great letter. And good, good on you sending the Constitution to your representative. A reminder, sir, here's what you swore an oath to. Next up, from Johnny, pronouns, he and him. Dear Daily Beans, I want to give a shout out to a fellow Beans listener, my partner Emily. She introduced me to your podcast and it's been a saving grace amid the chaos of our country. Our family is not traditional. We're a big, beautiful blended family of three adults, four children, four dogs, two cats and a snack. Needless to say, there's a lot of love in our home. However, there's not a lot of love or acceptance for our family and a lot of the conservative areas surrounding us. Before listening to your show, I found myself alone and scared in my thinking. But I've been listening every day and since then, my mental health has improved because of it. My family and I are taking a trip to have a non traditional wedding ceremony. And you can bet that our car ride will be full of news with swearing. Thanks for all you do, Johnny. This is like making my heart sing. Thank you for my pet tax. I've included a picture of my dear Emily with one of our dogs, a Pomsky named Andromeda, but called Andy for short. And a picture of our four incredible human beings who are being raised knowing we are on the right side of history. Look at that Doge. Okay, now I want a snow cone. These kids, these beautiful kids with snow cones. Now I need a snow cone. Thank you so much, Johnny. Thank you. All right, next up, a disabled American in Paris. Pronoun she and they. Bonjour, Queens. For you today, a trident of good news. First, the name of my 2004 doctoral dissertation. Yes, Toward an Urban Law and performance in Paris, 1515-1559. Second, the dissertation was completed at the CUNY Graduate Center. So shout out to that to the place that Changed my life. Also, delighted to tell you that my niece is in the system as a student right now. Heck yeah. Third, that I had racked up six figures in student loan debt in the 11 and a half years it took me to complete my degree due to several rare diseases that slowed me down. Have I mentioned that my dissertation advisor was a saint? But when I became totally and permanently disabled, according to the Social Security administration in 2011, my student loans were forgiven. Several years and lots of paperwork later, that provision allowed me to move where the cost of living, especially healthcare, is actually affordable. That place is Paris, France, where I had planned to retire someday. Anyway, for my POD pet tariff, I give you Melissa, my French failed foster kitty, seen here tragically misunderstanding the rules of Scrabble. What a great submission. Oh yeah, well, no, when I'm losing a Scrabble, I just sit on the board. I just sit on the board. That's what I do. So I totally understand where your kitty's coming from. Thank you so much for that. Next up, from Emily Pronoun. She and her hello, my daily dose of sanity. While so many of my friends and colleagues feel overwhelmed, I feel informed because of you and the daily beans. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much, Emily, for saying that. Well, I feel overwhelmed too, but at least I feel informed at the same time. I totally feel you. I feel this in my soul. Emily goes on. I wanted to share some good news. I've been an academic research librarian my whole career, but I've secretly always wanted to be a historian. Nerdy little girl dreams. And I'm so excited to share that I've finally done it. As of May, I am now both a librarian and a historian of the Holocaust and genocide. I recently published my thesis, Reservation Century the Use of Reservations from the League of Nations to the Genocide Convention. In this case, we're talking about how the United States used reservations to skirt responsibility to national treaties, including the Genocide Convention, among several others. I'm excited to continue this this research and every time you talk about the courts, the Senate and Congress, I feel like we're on the same mission. Thank you for everything you do. While I have two dogs, I would love to submit for my POD pet tariff. I would like to share a local adoptable pet. Please meet Puggy, a two year old bull terrier I found while checking to see if my local shelter posted the parakeets my husband and I rescued in our driveway the other day. Pets are life, people. I'm posting Puggy because my brother just lost his beloved bull terrier Artie and I hope Puggy finds a good home. So if you're in the south coast of Massachusetts or Rhod island, look Puggy up and consider adopting him or any pet at your local shelter. Oh, look at this beautiful dog. Yeah, and yesterday when I was trying to get the name of that breed and I'm like, it's a sponge Mackenzie dog with the 12 dogs on the wall, that's this. That's a bull terrier. Look at this sweet baby. All right, anybody south coast of Massachusetts or Rhode Island, Puggy's available and looks amazing. Thank you so much for that. What a great dissertation that you did, Emily. Thank you so much. Next up, Mackenzie pronouns he and him. Hello. I would like to shout out my mother, Deanna. Since the beginning of the second dump term, she's become incredibly politically active. She's hosted political events at her home for several politicians, including the recently elected mayor, John Ewing.
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Here in Omaha. Fuck yeah, Nebraska. My mother has volunteered as a poll worker in the last several elections. Despite the fear and intimidation and harm espoused by right wing members of our community. That is brave Mackenzie. She's an outspoken ally of the LGBTQ community and is part of the amazing singing group River City Mixed Chorus. I highly recommend their performances to all visiting who live or who live in the area. She introduced me to the daily beans and this podcast is now a consistent part of my morning routine. I love the multi generational listeners we've got going on here. I am very proud of my mom and the work she's doing for me and my children. Love you, mom. For podpet, I submit my dogs, Walter, the old one and quite possibly the best dog to have ever lived. And Bert, our new addition, currently a terror. I also submit our dearly departed Whiskey, my friend for nearly 16 years, who may not always have been the cost congenial housemate, but was loyal to the end. Look at this sweet babies. Oh, there's the new pup. Oh, very sweet. Thank you so much, Mackenzie. And shout out to Deanna. Mom. Hi, Mom. All right, next up from Pedro, pronouns he and him. Hi, AG and dg. I started listening to your podcast a few years ago, but only recently started actually listening to the good news section. I'm unsure why. I think my cynical side was too much at the time. That being said, I wanted to share a couple of personal good news stories. After living In Oklahoma for 27 years, I made the decision, really my wife and I to look for a job outside of Oklahoma in a more progressive state and city I was fortunate enough to find a position in Portland, Oregon. You can't get much more progressive than that, Pedro. We arrived in Portland this summer and so far we're loving it. Being surrounded by nature and progressive people has made a difference that I didn't know was possible. Oh, I love this for you. I wanted to add a misheard lyric too. I'm originally from Mexico. I moved to the US back in 1998. At the time, I heard the Tom Petty song Free Falling for the first time. When I heard the song, my English was very limited, so I misunderstood the lyrics and thought he was singing I'm free Frijoles. Beans in Spanish pronounced frijoles. My teenage self did not understand why Tom Petty was singing about beans, but who was I to question him anyway? Every time I hear that song, I laugh and it sometimes make me makes me tear up because it reminds me of that feeling that I had arriving at a new place, a new country, scared as an immigrant these days, another song from Tom Petty resonates strongly with me. I won't back down. You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down. So fuck ice and fuck this administration. We won't fucking back down. Hear, hear. Pedro, thank you for your show, your activism, your courage, and your voice. It's much needed. These days I'm sharing pictures of my beautiful family. Wife and daughter in one picture and son in the other picture at the Rose Garden in Portland. If you've never been, definitely recomm it. Also, here's a picture of our dog, Peanut. He's a mini dachshund, but nothing mini about his attitude. Look at this gorgeous family. Oh, and bougainvillea. This is incredible. A rhododendron, I think. Oh, now we're gonna have a name that flowers instead of dog breeds. Because I know two flowers. Please don't. Oh, we were gonna do that. I think somebody called it. Whom is this bloom? If you're new, by the way, we used to the game was called what the mud where you would send in your dog photo and we would try to guess the breeds. And then that we added to that. What the hell is in that shell for turtles? What the heck? Wine for what kind of horse it is Opine on the bovine. What's the model of your axolotl? And somebody said had one. Whom is that bloom to send in flowers for guessing games. So that's pretty funny that I forgot and then remembered anyway. Gorgeous family, Gorgeous little doggo. I love dachshunds. So much, and I'm so glad you're doing well there in Portland, Pedro. All right, everybody, that's the news for the week. I hope everyone got to spend some time with some loved ones for this Fourth of July and read the Declaration of Independence again. By the way, Nancy Mace, who's just a fucking idiot, put out a tweet saying, did Hakeem Jeffries just say the Declaration of Independence? Reads like an indictment? Did I hear that right? And then the community note says a key part of the Declaration of Independence is an indictment of King George iii. So I guess she's never read it. But that indictment of King George III and the Declaration of Independence is extremely prescient. It's apropos of where we find ourselves as a country. So that's what I'm going to be thinking about and how to save it. And fuck ice also. Just throw that in there always. Thank you so much for your good news. If you have any more, send it to us dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. Thank you so much to Eugene Carroll for that. Just that shot of inspiration I needed today. Wonderful to speak to my friend again and we will, of course, see you Monday. Back here on the beans. There will be an episode of the Unjustified podcast this weekend. There's a bonus episode of cleanup on aisle 45. Out. Out. So it never, it never stops. And we've got reruns of the Daily Beans on the weekends called Refried Beans if you want to check those out and see what the news was like this week. Two years ago, three years ago, four years ago. But everybody please have a peaceful weekend and I'll see you on the other side of it. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been ag and them's the beans. 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