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Allison Gill
MSW Media. Hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Monday, April 14, 2025. Today, the Trump administration once again has defied court orders time in the Abrego Garcia case. A disgraced former cop is found to have been the person that led to the deportation of the stylist to Seacoat. The Federal Trade Commission's blockbuster antitrust case against Meta kicks off today in the District of Columbia. The Social Security Administration is shifting Twitter to Twitter posts for official messaging after cuts to communications staff. So if you work for the Social Security administration and you want updates and bulletins, you apparently have to sign up for a Twitter account. Trump floated a plan to exempt hotel and farm workers from deport. The Trump regime is set to end protections for Afghans and Cameroonians. Doge has overridden Social Security staff to put people on the dead list. Team Trump is gaming out how to send U.S. citizens to El Salvador. Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's home was set on fire by an arsonist last night. And hundreds of students at military based schools walk out in protest of anti diversity policies. I'm Allison Gill.
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Dana Goldberg
And I'm Dana Goldberg.
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Allison Gill
Governor Josh Shapiro on the first night of Passover after sharing photos of his Seder table on the Internet. Somebody we're going to get into this in the hot notes, but I can't see this as anything less than an assassination attempt and a hate crime.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, it's the anti Semitism in this country is on the rise. And I know that the administration's like, oh, we're going to check people coming into this country, their social media to make sure there's no anti Semitism. How about we start fighting it in our country for.
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Allison Gill
Let's do that in our leadership. Right? Yeah, I, you read my mind. Because I mean to, to deport people, you know, or prevent them from returning to the United States or revoking their student visas in the name of anti Semitism. And it's unconscionable what's happening.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, it really is. I've got a lot of opinions about this and we'll keep them for another episode. But yeah, I hope Josh Shapiro and his family are safe and I'm so sorry because the violation alone that this feels, I think some of us know that with having your property vandalized, it is a violation of sorts. So I'm just sending them a lot of love and, you know, a more peaceful Pesach for the rest of the holiday. And to everyone listening who celebrates Passover, happy Pesach to you as well.
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Allison Gill
Just must be so devastating. We'll get into that and more details. And I think they've made an arrest. It's just breaking now. So I'll put that together by the time we get to that story. Also, yeah, later in the show, I'm going to be talking to Michael Lukens from the Amica center for Immigrant Rights. You'll remember on April 3rd, we did a story about his organization's lawsuit for, you know, the defunding of immigration attorneys for children for unaccompanied children in this country. They reached out and we'll be having that discussion, which will also include our Good Trouble for the day. So that's where you'll find the Good Trouble segment. We also have a new episode of Unjustified with Steve Vladek. Steve Vladek is joining Andy McCabe and me to discuss the Supreme Court ruling on the Alien Enemies act proclamation and of course, the Abrego Garcia case. So for a lot of detail and wonk in that, you definitely want to listen to the latest episode of Unjustified. Steve Vladek makes us all smarter. All right. We have a lot to get to. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. So an update on Abrego Garcia. Lots has happened since we spoke for the beans on Friday. On Friday, you know, record the Friday beans on Thursday. But on Friday, there was a hearing and, you know, because the Supreme Court remanded the Abrego Garcia case back down to the district court to clarify what effectuate means. Well, you can facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia, but what do you mean by effectuate? So it's a big giant, you know, area for them to park a truck into where, you know, the, the Trump administration has been told by Justice Roberts that, that the courts have to show him due regard and deference when it comes to foreign affairs. And so the judge was like, look, if you don't know what's going on, they they blew past their deadlines. But they did show up to the hearing. And, and she ordered them to give daily updates by 5pm Eastern to the court about her three questions. Where is he? What are you doing to bring him home? And what more are you going to do to bring him home if he's not home yet? And on Saturday, they the government filed late, about a half hour, 25 minutes past their deadline and said, I don't have any, we don't have any information. Like we like you said, we just don't know. Which again, is in defiance of another court order, the one that she put out Friday. And Then on Sunday, they filed again saying, you know, we still don't know, but we determined that, you know, Abrago Garcia had some hearings in 2019 and there was a withholding order saying you can't deport him. And what the government is saying now is, oh, we decided, I don't know recently that we can because he's a member of Ms. 13. But that has nothing to do with the Alien Enemies act proclamation deporting people to Seacoast. So they're just in blatant defiance of the court order. We're going to follow this case to see what the judge does because she is holding a hearing on Tuesday. And there's also now been a motion to show cause for could for why the Trump administration shouldn't be held in contempt for defying these court orders, not for defying bringing him home, but defying to tell me where the hell he is and tell me the steps that you're taking and have someone with knowledge maybe she'll bring in, she'll force Kristi Noem to come in and testify. Who knows what'll happen? But we'll keep you posted.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, man, when Megan Kelly's going after Kristy Noam, you know someone's going to dump. Really jumped a shark on there. There's a related story we have. This one's from Rolling Stone. Donald Trump and his White House have moved to deport green card holders for espousing pro Palestinian views. Shipped hundreds of migrants to a notor Salvadoran mega prison without due process, by the way, like you said, in defiance of a judge's order. And they're now publicly musing about sending United States citizens to prison in El Salvador. Trump said last weekend he would, quote, love to send American criminals there and would even be honored to, depending on what the law says. Really? We're following the law now? Just curious. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt confirmed. Leave it. I do it every time. Leave it.
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Allison Gill
I think it's Levitt. Oh, honestly, who cares?
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah. Caroline Levitt confirmed this week that the president has discussed this idea privately as well, adding he would only do this if it's legal. Bullshit. El Salvador's President Naib Bukele has for months been offering to hold U.S. citizens in his country's prison system, which has turned into a, quote, judicial black hole rife with systemic torture. As one human rights advocate recently told Rolling Stone and have opinion is why they have not brought Virgo Garcia back is because he has seen some things and they're going to fight it tooth and nail. Because he knows what's happening over there. That.
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Allison Gill
But mostly they just want to see if they can get away with it.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, that as well. And I worry about that litmus test on who, what American citizens they would decide to take over there. It's a litmus test. We've seen this before in history. And I want people to have their eyes wide open. The Trump administration is indeed discussing this idea behind the scenes. This is what two sources familiar told Rolling Stone in their most recent. In their most serious form, these conversations have revolved around attempting to denaturalize American citizens and deport them to other countries, including El Salvador.
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Allison Gill
That means us. Wow. Step one, step two, step three, you know, I mean, I, you know, they came for and I didn't speak out.
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Dana Goldberg
Yep. And we all need to get real, real loud here.
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Allison Gill
And we know where that ends. Also from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, A disgraced former Milwaukee cop with credibility issues helped seal the fate of Andre Hernandez. That's the gay Venezuelan makeup artist that was sent to El Salvador's notorious prison. And that's according to documents reviewed by USA Today of all publications. A report approved by the police officer turned prison contractor claimed the Venezuelan man was a member of Trend Aragua. But the credibility of this guy named Charles Cross Jr. Who signed that report, was so bad that prosecutors actually flagged him on a list of police who had been accused of lying, breaking the law, or acting in a way that erodes their credibility to testify in Milwaukee County. He's blacklisted from testifying.
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Dana Goldberg
Wow.
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Allison Gill
In Milwaukee County. Because he's such a shitbag. Cross was fired from his position as a Milwaukee police sergeant in 2012 after driving his car into a family's home while intoxicated.
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Dana Goldberg
Wow.
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Allison Gill
He appealed the decision and resigned in the process. And that's according to the department. So that's why this, his labeling of Andre Hernandez is why he is there.
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Dana Goldberg
Unbelievable. You know, we're going to continue report on these stories when it comes to this immigration, deportation, whether it's non American citizens or American citizens. So we're going to keep you up to date. We do have an update on the Social Security Administration putting immigrants on the dead list. And this is from the Washington Post. Two days after the Social Security Administration purposely and falsely labeled 6,100 living immigrants as dead security guards arrived at the office of a well regarded senior executive in the agency's Woodlawn, Maryland headquarters. Greg Pierre, who oversaw a staff of hundreds of technology experts, had pushed back on the Trump administration's plan to move the migrants names into a Social Security death database, eliminating their ability to legally earn wages and, officials hoped, spurring them to leave the country. That's the goal in this in particular, Pierre had clash with Scott Coulter. Coulter, Coulter, Scott Coulter. He's the new chief information officer installed by Musk. Now, Pierre told Coulter that the plan was illegal. No beating around the bush. It's illegal, it's cruel, it risks declaring the wrong people dead. And that's according to three people familiar with the events. But his objections did not go over well with Trump's political appointees. And so on Thursday, the security guards in Pierre's office office told him it was time to leave. They walked Pierre out of the building, capping a momentous internal battle over the novel strategy. I don't know why they're calling a novel strategy. It's batshit crazy. Pushed by Musk's US DOGE service in the Department of Homeland Security to add thousands of immigrants raging in age, from teenagers to octogenarians, to the agency's death master file, the database is used by government agencies, employers, banks, landlords to check the status as employees, residents, clients and others. But when they're just adding people, this, immigrants to this, and it, it worries me because then if they're declared on this death list, if they happen to disappear, are people going to be looking for them?
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Allison Gill
Yeah. And to just move 6,100 people to the death list to say that they're dead is fraud. Yeah. If you want to create a new fucking racist bullshit category of moving them to an undocumented immig immigrant list, okay, that's still fucked up. But it's not fraud. Yeah, I mean, it is, but you know, it's not a lie to call them dead just so that they can effectuate these people's lives to be as if they are dead.
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Dana Goldberg
Right, that's exactly it. That's the point.
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Allison Gill
Five year statute of limitations. So vote. Okay, Next up from the Times, the Trump administration will end temporary protections for more than 10,000 people from Afghanistan and Cameroon, putting them on track for deportation in May and June. According to Department of Homeland Security officials, many of the Afghans affected by this decision had been allowed into the United States after the US Withdrawal from Afghanistan. That Republicans fucking cried about, yelled about, screamed about and said, we have to get these Afghans, you know, asylum here in our country, so now the Trump administration could send them back to a country under Taliban rule. The Afghans and Cameroonians had been living in the U.S. legally under Temporary Protected Status, TPS, which is meant to shield Migrants from being returned to countries facing conflict or natural disasters. People who have the protected status are also not allowed to work in the United States. So apparently, you know, Biden's pulling out of Afghanistan, which, by the way, was ordered, the deal was signed by, in, you know, by the Trump administration on his way out.
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Dana Goldberg
That was a Trump decision.
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Allison Gill
Yeah. And so he had to, he had to do that when Republicans were, oh, my God, it was disastrous. And, and Afghanistan's now under Taliban rule and all that stuff. I, I was all just obviously, as we know, hypocritical posturing.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah.
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Allison Gill
Because now they want to deport these Afghans and Cameroonians too.
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Dana Goldberg
Thank you, Alison. This next one's from NBC. President Donald Trump suggested at a Cabinet meeting Thursday that undocumented people working on farms and in hotels would be allowed to leave the country and return as legal workers if their employers vouched for them. Yeah. Trump spoke after Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem finished pointing a gun at a soldier's head next to her ICE person. I don't even know if they're a soldier. Made statements. She made statements about self deportation and a Trump administration policy that requires people here illegally to register with the Department of Homeland Security using an app it dubbed CBP Home, which was something that Biden used to actually get people in the country. And now they're revers it and using it to try and get people out. And they're saying that you need to register with that or you're going to face criminal charges and possibly fines. A federal judge on Thursday allowed the registration requirement to go forward. About 40% of U.S. crop farm workers, those are undocumented. According to the agriculture department, about 1.1 million undocumented people worked in the hospitality industry, hotels, restaurants, and about 7.6% of the workforce in 2023, according to an analysis by American Immigration Council, a legal group that advocates for immigration. 7.6% of the entire workforce in 2023.
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Allison Gill
Just. Yeah. So the CBP1 app where people could get temporary protected status to come to the United States is now CBP Home. And they're like you said, they're using it to locate and return, forcing people to register with the app if they are undocumented so that they can be targeted and removed for. Targeted for deportation. Exactly it. From the Post. The home of Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, this is what we were talking about earlier, was set on fire early Sunday while he and his whole family. His family were inside. That's what he said, which is an incident that state police are investigating his arson. About 2am Shapiro and his family awoke to the sound of police banging on their door as they responded to the fire at the Governor's mansion in Harrisburg. That's according to the statement from the governor. The family was safely evacuated with no injuries. Thank God. Later Sunday, the Pennsylvania State Police described the fire as an act of arson. Officials extinguished the fire, which they said was in a different part of the residence than Shapiro and his family, but it caused a significant amount of damage. And this is just breaking now. As I said, Cody Ballmer is in custody and will be charged with attempted murder, terrorism, aggravated arson and aggravated assault against an enumerated person.
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Dana Goldberg
Good.
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Allison Gill
That's according to the Pennsylvania District Attorney Fran Chardo in a news conference that on Sunday. So they do have someone in custody. Apparently this is a, according to early reports, unconfirmed reports from this person's social media, a very anti Biden pro violence person. So again, I hope that there's maybe a hate crime enhancement here. And I don't know if you can charge assassination attempts at the state level. I certainly don't expect Pam Bondi to do anything.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, well, if they're supposedly want to set a precedent for, you know, eradicating antisemitism in this country, this would be the time to actually do that. If I was Pam Bondi, actually do something. All right, thank you so much. We're obviously going to keep you posted on what happens with that story. This next one from the Federal News Network. The Social Security Administration is cutting staff from its communications office. And like Allison said at the top of the show, they're going to rely on Twitter Twitter posts instead of press releases to update the media and the public. Regional SSA offices, each representing several states, they're going to no longer have fully staffed public affairs offices because of the agency's mass reassignment of employees to the field offices. SSA Midwest Midwest west actually it's the MWW regional commissioner, that's Linda Kerr Davis told employees in a call Thursday that those regional offices will no longer issue press releases or quote, dear colleague letters to advocate groups. And I quote, instead the agency will Twitter to communicate to the press and the public, formerly known as Twitter, still known as Twitter to me. That's her Davis, and she said this will become our communication mechanism. I worry about that for a number of reasons. There's too much control that Musk has over those messages and what actually gets sent out, what gets censored, what's actually going into your algorithms. This just sounds like a mess waiting to Happen. And a lot of people that are not going to get information about their Social Security.
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Allison Gill
Yeah. Not to mention forcing people to sign up for social media accounts.
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C
Yep.
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Allison Gill
In order to get information about their agency is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah.
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Allison Gill
I mean, I'm just gonna give my mom a call because she doesn't text because she's 80 and say, oh, you need to sign up for a Twitter account.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah. I mean, it's absurd.
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Allison Gill
Like you.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, he needs his numbers up because everyone left.
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Allison Gill
Yeah. Right. Next up from npr, the Federal Trade Commission's blockbuster antitrust case against Meta. This is Big kicks off on Monday. That kicks off today in a courtroom in D.C. it's the culmination of a nearly six year investigation into whether the social media giant broke competition laws in acquiring Instagram and WhatsApp. At stake is the future of Meta's enormous advertising business and the prospect of having to spin off its hugely popular services into separate companies. Lawyers for the FTC and Meta will deliver opening statements on Monday before U.S. district Judge James Boberg in a trial expected to stretch seven to eight weeks. Reams of evidence and dozens of witnesses will be scrutinized. The government plans to call CEO Mark Zuckerberg and former Chief Operating Officer Cheryl Sandberg and the head of Instagram, Adam Moseri, to the witness stand. Now, oddly enough, both sides of the aisle hate Facebook and, and, and Meta and, and of course, the Josh Howleys and those types of people hate it because they claim. Yeah, well, because, because they claim that it's left wing propaganda that oppresses free speech and throttles right wing ideas, which is completely the opposite of the truth.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah.
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Allison Gill
But it still causes them to really not like Facebook. And of course, we know why people who like the rule of law don't like Meta because it's full of propaganda. It is a propaganda machine. So we'll see. And just from an antitrust perspect of, you know, buying WhatsApp and Instagram to totally corner the market.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah.
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Allison Gill
Is. It's just an antitrust case. So it's, I think that's why this prosecution, this trial is being allowed to go forward and the Trump administration isn't stepping in to help his pal.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah.
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Allison Gill
But we'll see. We'll see what ends up happening in this antitrust suit. Again. It was, it started six years ago under the first Trump administration. So we'll keep an eye on it.
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Dana Goldberg
This feels like one of those times, though, that they, they're gonna make, they're gonna Regret this because they're gonna unearth a bunch of shit that he, like, helped Donald Trump push Russian propaganda or, you know, in discovery. I feel like there's going to be a lot of stuff that did, did not want to come out, and the Republicans are going to be like, we don't need to, we, we're going to settle.
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Allison Gill
No, they're still Marxists. Yeah, yeah, whatever.
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Dana Goldberg
All right, this one's from military.com and I tell you what, the kids are all right. Hundreds of military children who are students at Defense Department schools across the globe.
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Allison Gill
The globe.
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Dana Goldberg
They all walked out of class Thursday to protest book bans, curriculum changes, and restrictions on extracurricular activities that have resulted from Donald's administration's crackdown on diversity. The walkouts, which included about a dozen schools on US Military bases in Europe, Asia, and at least one stateside, represent the biggest collective action military children have taken since the start of the Trump administration to demand a voice in their own education after similar, smaller scale walkouts in February and March. And the protests happened despite a warning from defense officials and school principals that participating in widespread school walkouts could mean unexcused absences, detention, and restrictions on sports participation. And I quote, the message that we're trying to send is pretty much that we're here and we're going to fight for what we believe in, especially when it comes to our education and whatnot, because our education is the basis of our future. This is Peyton. Peyton's a 10th grader at Laken Health High School in England who helped organize the walkouts. That's what Peyton told Military.com in a phone interview.
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Allison Gill
So nice.
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Dana Goldberg
I know.
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Allison Gill
Oh, I love this. You know, State Department employees can't walk out. Naval Academy students, midshipmen, they can't walk out since they left mine comf on the shelves in the libraries of the Naval Academy, but took Maya Angelou off the shelves. Just hats off to these kids. I, I, I appreciate this. Biggest military kid action in the history of military kids. So, yeah. All right, everybody stick around for some good trouble. In my interview with the executive director of the Amica center for Immigrant Rights right after this break. We'll be right back after these messages.
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C
We'll be right back.
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Allison Gill
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C
Yeah, thank you for having me. This is a lot of fun.
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Allison Gill
Yeah, it's good to see you. I know we're going. We're all kind of going through a lot of, well, let's just say litigation with regard to what this administration is trying to do. And the thought of, you know, ripping legal representation away from unaccompanied minors is just unconscionable. We all kind of hearken back to the tender age centers of child separation during the first Trump administration and how now they have far fewer roadblocks. And kind of one of our only methods of mitigation is to go to the courts. So talk a little bit about where we are with your lawsuit that got that ruling on April 3rd and what sort of updates we've seen in the interim because now what it's almost two.
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C
Weeks later, two weeks later and we are still waiting for compliance from the government. We got this great temporary restraining order from the judge saying that Health and Human Services had to reinstate this funding stream for all of the nonprofits across the country. There's 80 plus of us doing this work and we keep hearing from the government that they're figuring it out. But at the same time, we're seeing layoffs at organizations because people can't float months of non payment and they already owe us so much money. So we put in motions to enforce and we're to head up to the preliminary injunction stage soon. But we are fingers crossed, hoping that we'll continue to win. I think we will. I think it's a strong case. But we're seeing all over across the immigration landscape, is this administration even going to comply with judicial orders?
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Allison Gill
Right, we're seeing that in Abrego Garcia. We're seeing that play out in real time in the Abrego Garcia case. We are now going to see if that expands to the Alien Enemies act proclamation case. But let's talk a little bit bit about, you know, what the judge said. The judge has judge said the irreparable harm resulting from from Trump's actions, that the regime's actions definitely weighs in favor of temporary injunctive relief. And that's what the judge said back on April 3rd. And so I personally think based on what she is saying, the judge is saying about the temporary restraining order, that preliminary injunction is not far behind now, correct?
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C
Yeah.
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Allison Gill
I assume that Trump has appealed to this temporary restraining order regardless of the fact that you generally don' don't wait. You generally wait to appeal until it becomes a preliminary injunction. Where are we at with that?
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C
Yeah, they are going to be taking it up to the ninth Circuit and of course we will be defending it. I am lucky that there's amazing litigators on the case with us because you would never want me walking into a court to help. So the really smart people that I work with are going to be taking care of that Ninth Circuit argument. And, yeah, it's just, again, unconscionable. And also this delay tactic, I think part of that is incompetence and part of it is trying to bleed us a bit dry on the nonprofit side.
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Allison Gill
Yeah, agreed. But there are other cases that you are participating in and so talk about that. I know there was something that happened last week in one of these cases. Give us an update on some of the other cases you're working on and what the status is there.
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C
Yeah, so there's a reciprocal case on the adult side where there's no representation. This is just educational. This is legal education, know your rights education for adults in these awful ICE jails that are, you know, completely swamped right now and people are sleeping in buses. So the Department of Justice on Thursday terminated a funding stream for nonprofits across the country that provide these very basic education intake and referral programs. And the amount of money we're talking about is tiny. $28 million a year versus how much has Trump spent golfing? More than that so far since the inauguration. Right. And we're talking about just basic due process for adults and families. And what's happening. Why am I going to. I be thinking about. So they, they canceled that on Thursday, and we will be going to court this week on that. On that case. So that's in with Judge Moss here in D.C. okay.
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Allison Gill
And is Judge Moss on the D.C. district Court or the. As magistrate?
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C
Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting because we actually had. They tried this early on after the executive orders came out, you know, quote, protecting America from invasion. And they put a stop work order out on this funding stream and then they revoked it a few days later. So we actually were already under litigation, but no TRO had been issued because they had withdrawn their stop work order. So it's actually going to be pretty easy just to head back to court, but we're spending the weekend getting our declarations all up to date and all that good stuff. We're also looking at litigation over conditions in several of these jails up and down the east coast and how bad it is right now. Now.
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Allison Gill
Yeah, it is exploring that. Yeah. And wasn't there just recently a motion for one of these judges in one of your cases? I think the, the April 3rd temporary restraining order case for the judge to recuse?
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C
Yes. The government put in a motion to recuse for the judge, arguing that because her prior work in the immigration nonprofit space and her being a Biden appointee and, you know, clearly they said she has a bias against Trump, so she should recuse herself, which we do not believe she needs to. Judges are appointed for life for a reason. And we can't just, you know, basic judicial efficiency. We just can't always say, oh, well, that judge doesn't like us. They should recuse themselves.
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Allison Gill
Yeah. If you got Judge Cannon and could. We couldn't do anything about it. You're gonna have to. You're not. Just have to deal with it.
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C
Yes. Yeah. So it's, it's, you know, it's another one of these tactics. And to a certain degree, like, DOJ has, like, nobody left. They're hemorrhaging people. Either they're forcing them out or they're quitting because they don't want to deal with this nonsense. Oh, wait, I'm allowed to curse. They're not allowed to deal with this bullshit. So they. I have a feeling that they are, you know, down to a skeleton crew over there to defend some of these actions.
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Allison Gill
Yeah, they definitely are. Andy McCabe and I discussed that on the latest episode of the Unjustified podcast. A piece from the New York Times came out. The DOJ is, is struggling. They're sending, you know, I mean, even in the Abrego Garcia case, they pulled their lawyer off of their 15 year, a lawyer named Reveni, because that particular lawyer admitted, yeah, like, hey, I don't have any information. That person at Brego Garcia was sent there illegally, wrongfully. And then, you know, the Trump administration is like, no, you can't say that. You have to. Basically, we're going to bench you if you don't lie to a judge. And I, I remember Judge Boasberg, who, you know, who Ensign argued in front of in the Alien Enemies act case, and now Ensign has been put on the Abrego Garcia case where, you know, the judge just looked at, at, at the, at the DOJ lawyer and said, you know, I just want to tell you that, you know, what I tell all of my staff and my clerks here in the courtroom is that you're most valued treasure that you have is your integrity. And so, you know, this happened quite a bit in the first Trump administration where Department of Justice lawyers were left in a lurch. I'm thinking of the census case where that was supposed to be done. And then Trump put out a tweet saying it wasn't. And the DOJ lawyers had to come back to the court and say, we are so a thousand pardons, your honor. We thought it was over. Two, we don't want to be here. This is, we're so sorry, like, trying to just preserve their reputation with the court. And now they're working, like you said, on a skeleton crew. They're losing their reputation. Judge Amy Berman Jackson was like, I can't believe a word that you say, a word that comes out of your mouth in the, in the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau case. And so we're at this, we're at this point where, where in front of many of these judges, including Trump appointees, what the Department of Justice and what the Trump administration is arguing doing. It strains credulity. And I think that that is hopefully going to work in your favor in some of these cases and some of these hearings that are coming up, particularly in, I'm thinking preliminary injunction for that other case.
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C
For the kids.
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Allison Gill
Yeah, for the kids.
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C
Yeah. And it's, you know, it's tough. I am a middle aged dude. I am, you know, in, I don't know what comes to you before the twilight of your career. I'm at suppertime of my career career, but I'm talking to, like these amazing young advocates who work with me and are like, fresh out of law school. And I'm trying to be like, don't worry, the rule of law exists. Right. And because they are what's keeping us going at the moment. I got through the first Trump years and I was tired and now I'm just even more tired. And that one was so crazy to say, but, like, nowhere near as bad as this.
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Allison Gill
No, the presumption of regularity is gone. You know, we see rather than the Supreme Court just outright rejecting the application to vacate the Abrego Garcia ruling in the district court with Judge Ginnis. You know, the Supreme Court has said they should have just denied the application outright. But no, the conservative justices wanted to step in and add that sentence of vagueness, saying that you owe due regard and deference to foreign affairs when it comes to the executive, which just you could park a truck in that sentence. And they did it in the immunity ruling and they continue to do it. So the presumption of regularity is kind of gone. We can no longer predict what at least the highest court is going to do. We still have a little presumption of regularity in the district courts.
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C
Yeah, absolutely.
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Allison Gill
But as you work your way up, that presumption gets eroded away. Talk a little bit more about The Ameca center for Immigrant Rights. How long you've been there, how long it's been around and some of the other work that you've done do.
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C
Yeah. So we've been around for 20. This is our 26th year. We, we used to be called the Care Coalition, but we, we changed our name last year. Our bread and butter, our day to day is providing, you know, free counsel to adults and kids that are held by the government in generally the capital region. But we also have clients in Pennsylvania and Georgia kind of all over the place. So that, that is our day to day. You find yourself in a jail. We will go there. We're going to meet you and we're going to try and help you. And then we layer on top of that this national impact litigation, some lobbying work because we're here in D.C. and we've been doing this for a long time. We got through the first Trump years. We're going to get through these years. And it's just, it's both, it's helping the individual and trying to fight back on of a national level. But, you know, our, our clients are terrified. As they should be.
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Allison Gill
Right. And how, how did the Supreme Court's new rule that they just made up out of nowhere that, that all of these Alien Enemies act proclamation cases must, must go through habeas petitions as opposed to the normal order of things, you know, like APA and.
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C
Yeah.
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Allison Gill
And INA and whatnot. Now that, now that it's restricted simply to habeas petitions, how is the Amica center adjusting to that? Or, you know, because I'm assuming now if you're going to be trying to help anybody who might be deported under Alien Enemies act and you have to. And you're going to do it pro bono or from the funds that you, you know, you're supposed to be receiving but are still on hold.
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C
Yes.
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Allison Gill
You're going to have to now file habeas petitions in order for anyone to get any semblance of due process. And it's still not even really due process. Process.
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C
Yeah. And it's interesting you bring that up because we have a full habeas project that has done traditional immigration habeas for years, and we just launched a new initiative to do that in Georgia because there's nobody really doing it. And so we sat down after that Supreme Court ruling and we'd been in all the conversations with the litigators that are handling the case because we do a lot of this habeas work and it's kind of like, well, what is this habeas even going to look like. Like we have to start from scratch and figure out how is this going to work, how are we going to keep people out of Texas and Louisiana, where the judges are going to be very hostile to this idea. So we're kind of just beginning from square one, obviously in coordination with like, Daclu, who are handling most of those cases, and the law lab and NIP and all these other great advocates across the country. But it's like being creative while also being really annoyed that we have to be creative about these things. And just. Is there going to be an Alien Enemies act declaration about Ms. 13? Is that what's coming next? Because that is going to be a total disaster. Even the number of clients that we have at the jails that we provide services in where the government could erroneously claim Ms. 13 allegations. And I don't know if you've been tracking this issue. Henry Santos, who was arrested in Dale City, and Pam Bondi and Cash Patel were there and yay, we caught one of the top three leaders of MS.13 and then last week they dropped all the charges.
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Allison Gill
So, yeah, we did talk about that.
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C
Yeah. And so he has a hearing on Tuesday in front of a federal magistrate to discuss whether ICE can take him on a detainer or not. Because it's not clear what they're going to try and do. The government, the administration keeps talking about, like, we're going to get rid of him, we're going to deport him right away. Well, there's not a legal way to do that right now. So we have been discussing that with folks about, like, how do we help in that specific situation? So you're right, there is a lot going on. It's, it's. Yeah, it's.
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Allison Gill
Yeah, it's coming at you fast and furious.
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C
We're in a very weird place.
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Allison Gill
Yeah. And, and honestly, for all we know, Trump may have already signed or, you know, Stephen Miller may have already auto penned a Alien Enemies act proclamation for MS.13 and they haven't announced it. So they can get people out of here and send them to, you know, Seacoat without. Because what they're learning through our courts right now is that as long as they get it done, they can try to argue that they don't have to bring them back, even though the Supreme Court has said you have to facilitate their return, but not effectuate. We want you to define effectuate. And we know that the Trump administration, they're already defying the court orders to give their status updates. And so we're seeing a lot of issues with complying with that court order. And we're on another train to Contemptville with this motion to show cause for Abrego Garcia. But like I said, he could have already signed this proclamation for MS.13. Could already be deporting people under the proclamation for MS.13 without telling us about it so they can get them out so that he can argue he can't bring them back because of, I don't know, state secrets, privilege or whatever.
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C
President Bukele is going to be here. So that is scary timing here today. Yeah, we're, we're, you know, where we are terrified at every moment, but also like ready to roll at every moment. I am amazed at how much the people I work with, how much energy they have. I feel like I'm going to fall asleep every day from exhaustion. But a lot of us went through the first Trump years and we obviously were way better prepared this time than the last time.
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Allison Gill
Good, good. Well, can you let everybody know, like, what they can do, like what individuals listening can do to support the amica center so we can support, help support educating people to know their rights as far as immigration is concerned. To know, know, you know, that they have the ability to file a habeas petition, you know, to, to help represent these children that we always have and, and now are losing funding for what. What can people do to just support this cause?
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C
I think there's like three main things, right? Obviously, donate, you know, vote with your money, give it to nonprofits, give it to amica center.org you can go and donate if, you know, if you, if you would like, that obviously would be lovely. But also there's so many great immigration organizations across the country and I'm always a proponent of donating locally. We have on our website as well. You know, we're asking people to reach out to Congress to put pressure on their members to say to hhs, you know, we've appropriated these funds. You need to spend them and really put that pressure down. And then we have a ton of volunteer opportunities and so does your local immigration group. There's not enough of us out there across the country. So reach out, get engaged, find ways that you can help. Because it feels like right now we're starting to see a groundswell of people from the keep your hands off protests and, and online movements. Like now is the time to make your congressional members know that you are not okay with what's happening.
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Allison Gill
Awesome. And they can probably find all of that information again on your website. Amicacenter.org.
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C
Yep.
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Allison Gill
And so everybody travel there. That's your good trouble for today and see how you can lend a hand. Because, you know, it's so like my, I well up with tears when I think about, about children separated from their families who cannot get representation in court and who are frightened and traumatized and need that support. So you know what, I really appreciate you coming on today and I hope we'll have you back on soon for an update in your legal pursuits.
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C
Absolutely. Anytime. Thank you.
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Allison Gill
Thank you so much, everybody. Michael Lukens again, amicacenter.org to help out everybody. Stick around. We'll be right back with the good news, everybody. Welcome back. It's time for the good news, everyone. And if you have any good news confessions corrections, especially pronunciation corrections, if you want to give a shout out to a loved one or yourself or a small business in your area or your small business, we know we have a lot of makers and creators and entrepreneurs that listen to the beans. Or if you want to give a shout out to some great community activism going on in your area, we would love to hear about that. Shout outs to government programs as well that have helped you or a family member or loved one, anything from Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid all the way down to snap, wic, Head Start, all of these programs are essential. So many families have benefited from these programs, myself included. Dana. I know. I was watching the news the other day when box of wine Janine Pirro was talking about kids at 4 years old getting Social Security checks. What the hell's that? I think it was Jessica Tarlov was like, that's for kids whose parents have died. Like, and my sister and I, when My sister was 10 and I was 15 or 16 and my father passed away, my mom got Social Security benefits for each of us because we lost the household. Half the household income. It's, that's what that was. And my dad paid into that his whole life. He even paid into it when he was an active duty service member. Military members pay into fucking Social Security.
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Dana Goldberg
Yep.
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Allison Gill
And that's, you know, all we're talking about. So that kind of stuff, shout out to that and anything else you want to give a shout out to. And all you got to do to get your good news in in is to pay your pod pet tax, which means either attaching a photo of your pet, attaching a photo of an adoptable pet in your area, a photo of any animal really, maybe some something that you would wish you could have as a pet, like I would like a capybara, but probably can't get one.
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Dana Goldberg
I mean, they're super cute. And my favorite meme I saw recently was a restaurant that said, please don't let the kappa bear is in. And there's a woman that's like, oh, I'm absolutely letting the kappa bears into this restaurant.
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Allison Gill
Yeah, where's my capybara cafe?
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Dana Goldberg
I know. That's exactly what it was. And so many people tagged me in otter videos for my birthday, which was super cute on blue sky. So thank you for the otter videos and pictures.
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Allison Gill
I saw that. That's amazing. And if you don't have any of that, you can attach a baby picture. We're also doing bird watching, which means an actual photo of a bird. Or you can send you and your family and friends flipping the bird to Trump and Musk Properties. All of it. Send it to us dailybeanspot.com click on contact first. Good news story is, but our dearest and wonderful co host here on the Daily Beans, Dana didn't turn 50 this weekend. I want to know how your birthday went.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, I did not turn 50 this weekend. I turned 49. So I've got one more year in my grand 40s. My birthday was. Well, actually the week leading up was really lovely. I'm not going to lie. I had brunch on my birthday and then immediately threw my back out folding.
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Allison Gill
A shirt like as one does.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah. Not even doing a fitted sheet. I was folding a shirt and I felt a little pull in a. And I was like, oh, my back's about to.
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C
Yep.
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Dana Goldberg
And my lower back would. You know it. So, you know, that's what it is. I tried to put on reading glasses over my reading glasses three days ago. I had a little back pull. But I'm excited about this year coming up. I have a feeling it's gonna be.
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Allison Gill
A really good one.
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Dana Goldberg
There's gonna be some good big things happening. So bring it on. Bring it on.
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Allison Gill
Yeah. In the most cat lady thing I can think of, I pinched a nerve in my shoulder this weekend, filling the cat litter box.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, well done. Yep.
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Allison Gill
Litter again. I can't think of a more. More appropriate 51 year old cat lady thing to do, but I am very glad you had a wonderful birthday. Well deserved. Thank you, dear. Oh, my God. The photo in this first submission. The adorableness. I can't. I can't. The cuteness is too much. This is from Alex. Pronouns she and her. This is a correction. Hey, y'all from Durham, North Carolina, I have a correction for you on the pronunciation of the woodpecker it's pronounced piliacted. It's my mom's favorite bird. No, Pileated. Excuse me? Pileated. I grew up doing frequent outdoor Even when they tried to spell out the correct pronunciation for me, I still managed to it up.
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Dana Goldberg
I always feel like we're on Electric company too. The Electric Company when we're like pillated.
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Allison Gill
Alex goes on saying, I grew up doing frequent doing frequent outdoorsy exploring trips to the sandhills and wetlands of North Carolina. My mom would always get super excited when seeing these, the largest species of woodpecker. I used to be so bored on these trips as birding was not my thing and I would have much rather looked for critters on the ground as I've gotten older though I'm 30, I've grown to love and appreciate these trips with my mom who went from being a police officer to a stay at home mom to becoming an environmental educator.
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Dana Goldberg
This baby.
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Allison Gill
I know, I know. I love this baby so much. I'm so proud of her and so proud to be her daughter. Here's a photo of my best friend's baby as tags look at this baby angel.
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Dana Goldberg
I can't. Oh my God, the joy.
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Allison Gill
Oh that is such a happy little baby. Oh, I want hugs.
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Dana Goldberg
Me too. Thank you so much for kicking off of the baby picture. All right, this one is from Anonymous Pronouns he and Him Good morning Laguma leaders.
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Allison Gill
Another baby picture. I know.
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Dana Goldberg
I feel like these are belated birthday presents for Dana Goldberg. I'm writing in to happily inform you that I participated in last Friday's Good Trouble and hope that it helps in what you're doing to hold DOGE accountable for its actions. I'm a new listener that found you after after the election and since I haven't missed a weekday for my pod my POD pet tariff, I am submitting some pictures of my pup Atlas rolling over my baby niece. Hopefully the 2 for 1 covers 145%. Thank you all for all you do. And oh my goodness, look at that.
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Allison Gill
It's a doggy and a baby.
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Dana Goldberg
What a sweet cup. Look at the eye. I know this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm not allowed to eat the babies, so why don't you let it pet my tummy?
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Allison Gill
That's that. Do you think that's what's going? Don't eat the baby.
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Dana Goldberg
Don't eat the baby. Don't eat the baby.
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Allison Gill
I love watching dogs see meet their first time babies. They're just so gentle and loving and dogs are the best. We don't deserve dogs. Speaking of dogs, next up, Ira W. He and him. We have a couple of visitors for a swim in our pool and Charlie is very interesting. Did and ran many laps around the pool until the ducks departed on their journey.
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Dana Goldberg
Charlie's like a golden doodle or something. Charlie's so cute.
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Allison Gill
Look, he's pointing. He's got his little.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, maybe it's a pointer doodle.
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Allison Gill
A pointer doodle Looking at the ducks in the pool. It's like a Sopranos episode. Amazing. That one's pretty short. I'll go with the next one too. Gordy. Gordy. Pronouns he and him. My legumic angels. Okay, devils too do let's not limit ourselves. I treasure your smarts. I treasure your wisdom. Above all, I treasure your boundless compassion. Oh, Gordy, thank you. So I had the most wonderful truck. Esperanza. They them which my friends had lovingly decorated. We rode 304,000 miles together before our trails parted. Once I realized the roll up door in the back made for a perfect billboard, I reserved it for signs. Free political advice. My truck is no more. But our problems persist. And so do the signs. It dawned on me that stickers are the 21st century equivalent of pamphlets. So I printed up some stickers. Do you think they'd help unmask him? If so, would you like to distribute them together somehow? I could send you some for merch. Or maybe people could download the image and print them up as flyers and tape them across town. Anyway, over here. That's what I'm doing. Love you both so much. Be well. Okay, so here's a big truck and apparently the truck's name was Esperanza. They themselves. And it's one of those trucks like a U Haul where the thing rolls up in the back.
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Dana Goldberg
Yep.
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Allison Gill
And so on the back it says, greed is corroding our values. It skews our governance. It leads us to the brink of extinction. Our climate is destructing. MAGA is a death cult. Trump preaches nihilism bankrolled by and serving fossil fuel. Wealth. Science, not greed and deceit. Life calls upon us to act very good and vote. It's Daz down there. This is wonderful. And yeah, would love to get that file for the stickers if you.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, this is awesome.
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Allison Gill
If you want to send that to us, just the what DPI 300 I think would be good.
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Dana Goldberg
All right. This one's from Stacy. No pronouns given from Stacy. I wish I could be as creative as your other listeners, but I wanted to report this good news anyway. My daughter Found a great house in a very nice neighborhood in Orlando, Florida. We visit her a bunch. We were there in January and she and I were very sad to see a house with little lawn flags and said something like celebrate Trump's United Inauguration. And another pro Trump sign. The day after January 20, they put up lawn flags that said something like love. All so galling. Anyway, my daughter tells me how happy she is that the the house next to that house is flying a big pride inclusivity flag. It's still there and it's beautiful. My taxes are rescue oh we adopted him when he was about four months old. Now he's 13 years old. We never had him tested but his personality and eyes are all husky though. He has the coloring of a German shepherd and I would say this is a husky German shepherd mix.
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Allison Gill
I would as well. What an adorable dog. And Stacy, you are creative. As our other listeners, everybody's good news is welcome here. Look at this beautiful baby. So sweet. Thank you for that submission. Terry. She her hello my favorite podcast people. I want to share information about a small woman owned business business that was brought to my attention by my sister. Here's the gist of a recent text message she sent. Quote, so I'm a big fan of Malicious Women Candle company. I became aware of them during COVID They're based in Snohomish, Washington. They make candles with curse words and pro life messages. Their most recent launch was named Bitches Against Trump's bullshit and 100% of proceeds are being donated to the family of Kilmar Amando Abrego Garcia. Amazing. With her order, my sister added the special request to quote please yell Trump can eat a bag of dicks while making this candle for me. She received a handwritten reply from the company saying we did this as a collective group and they sent her a free bracelet.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh my God. That's awesome.
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Allison Gill
The company is malicious women co.com and as podpet tax I submit a photo of my goofy grandkiddy named Trila. First of all, I love when cats sit like people and look at this beautiful bracelet against bullshit. It fantastic. I love this business idea and I love Terri that you wanted to shout out this great local business and I love that they yelled Trump can eat a bag of dicks while making a candle for you.
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Dana Goldberg
Me too.
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Allison Gill
Fantastic. Malicious women co.com thank you all so much for your good news today. I appreciate it. Again, happiest of birthday weekends this past weekend. To Dana, to you my dear.
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Dana Goldberg
Thank you.
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Allison Gill
I think it's going to be hopefully a prosperous year for you personally as we battle the that's going on and I know, I just know it in my heart, you're going to break records fundraising for things like Lambda Legal and the Human Rights Campaign.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, we are going to raise a lot of money. But I also have my, you know, my artistic endeavors. That's what my fingers are crossed for this year, that we get some movement on those. You know what they are. And I will keep the people prized.
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Allison Gill
Yes. Light a candle, send good vibes and let's keep this going. And I'm just so excited about what you're going to do this year, my friends.
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Dana Goldberg
Thank you, Tony. Me.
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Allison Gill
All right everyone, that is the Daily Beans for today. Please send your good news to us dailybeanspod.com click on Contact. Flood us with good news like make it like un unreasonable. We, we want so much good news that we don't that it's like brimming from the rafters and we don't know what to do with it. Send it to us@again dailybeanspod.com click on Contact. Any final thoughts today, my friend?
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Dana Goldberg
Not today, okay?
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Allison Gill
Don't pull your back out folding more shirts.
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Dana Goldberg
I will not. I'm going to the Cairo in the morning. We're going to get a fixed.
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Allison Gill
Excellent. Everybody will be back in your ears tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been AG and I've been DG and them's the beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joel Reeder with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned punishment podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information Please visit msw media.com msw media.