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BREAKING: EXCLUSIVE: Allison speaks with Katie Phang about FBI sources exposing Todd Blanche’s lies about the 1M “found” Epstein documents, the lawyer leading the redactions, and White House control of DOJ messaging.
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A
Hey, everybody. It is Sunday, December 28, 2025. I know I was supposed to take a break this week. I was supposed to have this week off. But I do have some exclusive breaking news that landed on my desk and I have this for you. And this is about the claims made by Todd Blanche, Trump's former personal attorney, now deputy Attorney General, who is still his personal attorney. And Tony Todd Blanche's claims that, oops, we found a million never seen before Epstein documents. Now, he says he was contacted by the FBI New York field office and the Southern District of New York. Well, maybe he didn't say it, maybe the White House said it because now the White House controls the Department of Justice Twitter account, which is banana pants in its own right. That's a whole different story. But somebody at the DOJ social media account says that Todd Blanche was contacted by the Southern District of New York, New York FBI field office, and whoa, we've got a million new documents. And he's put lawyers on it from the National Security Division at Main Justice. We'll talk about that. And who's part of that. And lawyers in the Southern District of Florida. There was a memo that went out that said, hey, lawyers in the Southern District of Florida, even though your life sucks and we fired all your colleagues and morale is in the shitter, we would love for you to spend your Christmas holiday and kind of hinting at, hey, if you're Jewish, Hanukkah's over. Will you remotely redact these files and help, you know, protect pedophiles? I'm sure you would love to do that for your holiday season. So we had that, and I actually reached out to sources, to sources at the FBI who I've spoken to before, I've been speaking to for most of the year, and sources at the Department of Justice who participated in, in the project to redact the Epstein files, also known as to most FBI agents who worked on it, this bullshit. And they did this this past March and they have actually exposed Todd Blanche's lies. And like I said, I have that exclusive breaking news for you here on the Midas Touch network today. So welcome to the Breakdown. Okay. And joining me today, I couldn't think of a better person to join me today because of some reporting that my colleague here at Midas Touch did about the million document lie. Someone who's been reporting on this did a report the day after Christmas. My colleague here, like I said at Midas, Katie Fang. Katie, hello. Welcome.
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B
Oh, Alison, it's so, so nice to be with you and happy Holidays.
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A
Thank you. You as well. This is what we do over the holidays. Big ups to women in independent media for getting this information out. First of all, everybody needs to see your reporting on this alleged million document discovery being peddled by Todd Blanche, who's already been caught in so many lies this term. Documentary evidence. I'm thinking of the Abrego case where he said, I had nothing to do with the decision to charge Mr. Abrego with crimes. Oops. Because of some discovery we pried out of the government. Turns out that was a lie. I feel Povich turns out lie detector says that was a lie. So he's already been caught.
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B
You are the father.
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A
Yeah. You are the father of a bunch of bullshit. So, you know, not only should he not be trusted, Katie, it should be assumed that the opposite of whatever he says is actually the truth. So you went over a couple of letters and memos and statements that indicate that the Department of Justice has had the New York FBI field office and Southern District of New York Epstein files for a long time now. So let's start, and we're going to have a link in the show notes, by the way, to your report because I absolutely love it. So let's start with the letter that Jamie Raskin sent to Pamela Joe Bondi pursuant to whistleblower survivors and survivors attorneys who came and spoke to him as protected whistleblowers. Yeah.
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B
You gotta hand it to certain members of Congress that have doggedly made this a priority in addition to all the other hard work that they've been doing on behalf of all Americans. And I always underscore this that it's regardless of party affiliation, they're fighting for all of us, whether you like it or not. Right. Whether you appreciate it or not. They are. And I think of people like Jamie Raskin and Robert Garcia and others, Right. So Jamie Raskin, back on November 3rd of 2025, sent this letter to Pamela Jo, Pam Bondi. Sorry, I call her Pamela Jo.
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A
So do I.
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B
Okay. Yes, Pamela Jo. Pammi Jo gets this letter back on November 3rd. And what's impeccable about Jamie Raskin is he brings receipts always. And not only does he have plethora of footnotes and endnotes, but he cites to the counsel for the Epstein victims and survivors when he says that up until January of 2025, and of course, no coincidences, Right. When Trump gets sworn into office, there were representations made that there was an ongoing investigation into co conspirators of Epstein, Maxwell and others. And then suddenly and abruptly in January of 2025. Not only are those investigations terminated, but the entirety of the Epstein case file is transferred to Main justice, which is what we refer Department of Justice located in Washington D.C. so Raskin as, as early, we'll say early, not late as November 3rd of 2025, in his letter to Pamela Joe states that there was an active investigation into Epstein and Maxwell's co conspirators until January of 2025. And then in January, the Southern District of New York was ordered by Main justice to transfer the Epstein case files to DOJ headquarters in Washington D. See, since that time, January of 2025, crickets in terms of any type of outreach, active investigation or active pursuit of any of the threads that you could pull, financial or, or otherwise that could be relevant to Epstein and Maxwell. And so when I saw that Allison, I was like, whoa, whoa, hold a second. How in the world can Todd Blanche, as the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, now make a public affirmative us as Americans that they quote, unquote, suddenly found more than a million documents, Right?
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A
And you know, then you brought up a letter from Pam, from Pami Jo to Kash Patel that she wrote way back on February 27th. And it had something to do with, I've heard that there are now a bunch of files that you found in New York. You need to send them to me. You have until tomorrow morning and then you have 14 days to tell me why, et cetera. So talk about that letter as well.
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B
Well, that was kind of outrageous. And let me be clear too, Congressman Raskin, Jamie Raskin, also demanded information for Pamela Joe and of course they got nothing, right? Because why bother? Why bother to have transparency in your role to Congress, even though Congress understandably is looking from, you know, House Judiciary, they're like, hey, we need to have this information. So this letter that you just talked about, it's such a curious tenor, right? Because it's dated February 27th from Pamela Jo to Kash Patel. And it basically is again, going through the chronology of Pamela Joe trying to cover her ass in terms of trying to get her hands on the Epstein files. Now there's no coincidences. Again, February 27, the date of this letter, Alison, is the same date that Pamela Jo sat down at the White House with 15 far right MAGA influencers and she herself personally delivered, quote, unquote, Epstein file binder number one. And present at that meeting was convicted FELON Donald Trump, J.D. vance Todd Blanche, Kash Patel and others, right? So they're all there for this big fanfare that was a big womp Womp. Nothing new, but she tells Cash Patel in this letter that late Yesterday, as of February 26th, I learned from a, quote, source that the FBI field office in New York was in possession of thousands of pages of documents related to the investigation and indictment of Epstein. Because she says earlier in this letter, Alison, that she had only received 200 pages of documents, most of which 99% of which had already been made publicly available. So she demanded by February 28th at 8:00am that you, the FBI, deliver, quote, the full and complete Epstein files to my office. And she said, you also have to give me a report within 14 days comprehensively covering why my order to the FBI was never followed to. To begin with. And, of course, once again, crickets. There's no evidence of a comprehensive report ever been generated by Kash Patel, nor is there evidence that thousands of pages of documents were sent over to the DOJ as far back as the end of February of 2025.
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A
No. So we're sitting here looking at these letters, assuming that Todd Blanche is full of it and that these documents had already been transferred early in the year. Well, I have to tell you that because on your show here on Midas Touch, you said, given that turnaround and the demand by Pam Bondi, that if you were being generous and showing the government a little bit of grace and being a little generous, that the Department of Justice would have received all the New York files probably in March. Okay. Now, Katie, when I saw those letters, I reached out to the same sources who told me about the thousand people locked in the building confirming Jason Leopold's reporting from March. I got. I got new information about there being an Excel spreadsheet to log Trump's name and a master file. Excel spreadsheet.
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B
I remember that.
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A
Yeah. PowerPoint presentation with training videos on how to find and redact Trump's name and mark stuff for redaction in the Epstein transparency project, which is hilarious. Well, I reached back out to them about these letters, and again, these are the same ones who told me about the training videos, which, again, was confirmed by. By Jason Leopold this past November. And sources say that not only did New York send over everything they had in March, but that the entire review process, using the thousand analysts from the Information Management Division at the FBI, that exercise was specifically to review the boxes of files from New York. 300,000 pages, 100,000 files from New York. And they were to redact them and. And send them to the Department of Justice for eventual release. That was that. That was their job. And one source told me it was A comprehensive set of files from New York with some of the files dating back to 2009. Around the Sweetheart deal time.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So this wasn't just like a, oh, we found a couple of files or we found some grand jury materials or oh, we found the 302s. This was supposed to be a comprehensive set. And they have confirmed that that entire exercise in March where they paid a million dollars in overtime for a week when they locked the thousand people in the building, 24, 48 hour shifts. That review was the review of the New York files Pam Bondi asked Kash Patel for in the Feb. 27 letter. That's according to people who were there. I said was was your job there in response to that Pam Bondi letter? They said, yes, that is our understanding. So I just had to let you.
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B
Know that that's like nuts. But it's, but it's so on brand, isn't it? I mean, again, I've always tried to be generous about the construction of this and does not think that it's totally nefarious. And one of the most generous ways to interpret this is like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand's doing kind of energy. And yet that doesn't actually pass the smell test here. They have had possession and or have known about this stuff. Which is why the July memo that was publicly released by the FBI and the DOJ together, right. Jointly claiming that there was nothing, that it was all a nothing burger, that they had reviewed 300 gigabytes of data and evidence and that there were no more co conspirators to investigate, et cetera. I mean, it was such a big show in July. And to know that they've had their hands on this, Allison, just goes to show that the true conspiracy is happening in the Trump administration.
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A
Yeah, for sure. And Katie, I took this a step further after watching your report reaching out to sources at the FBI and DOJ that reviewed the files in March. Current and former. I recalled, as I mentioned earlier, Jason Leopold at Bloomberg recently in November released 76 pages of internal FBI emails about the Epstein Redaction project. So I figured I'd look in those emails to see what it said about the files from New York. Here's one email. This is from the Assistant Director of the FBI Information Management Division. The IMD is that thousand plus agents that were redacting the files. Her name is Sharon Perry. She's all over these emails. It's dated March 10th. Okay, so think about that, everybody. This is 12 days after Pam Bondi demanded The files. And this email says we are prepared to receive boxes tomorrow as New York agents are traveling to the Washington field office in the morning and will arrive to Winchester, where they will start photographing and we will start scanning and processing these physical files. Once I see the volume of files, I'll have a better estimate of processing times, although I suggest we do a rolling delivery to further demonstrate the FBI's commitment to delivery and transparency.
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B
Unbelievable. So they March 10, 2025.
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A
Mm. Now, here's an email sent from April 15 from the FBI IMD assistant director, same person, April 15, a little over a month later. Also, did you happen to send the results of the below to headquarters and or DOJ at any point? If not, no worries. Just want to confir firm if there are any additional deliverables to provide to the Department of Justice. To date, we have provided the redaction project and the 1B Excel summary of the video and media content. So There is an April 15 email saying we have sent over the comprehensive Epstein files from New York field office over to Washington to the FBI to be processed, redacted, reviewed, and sent to the Department of Justice pursuant to Pamela Bondi's letter.
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B
Past tense. We have provided past tense. The redaction project. And this is as of April 15th of 2025.
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A
Yeah. So March. You gave them a little grace. I guess they needed a little more grace to get to get it done by April 15th. Tax Day. And, Katie, I also wanted to point out something that you mentioned in your reporting, that Blanche had assigned redactions to the national security lawyers at main jobs.
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B
That's right, because that was a part of one of the permissible withholdings and redactions that was allowed under the Transparency Act.
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A
Now, I just want to make sure everybody knows who's in charge of that group of lawyers. It's a guy named John Eisenberg. And if that sounds familiar, it might it's way in the past. But, Katie, that's the same lawyer who removed Alex Vindeman's edits.
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B
The impeachment stuff. Oh, my God. With Zelinsky.
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A
Oh. Oh, my gosh. That's the guy who wouldn't accept Vindman's edits on the transcript. And that's the guy who hid that transcript in the secret code word classified system to keep eyes off. So known document manipulator is in charge of redacting the Epstein files.
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B
But you know, what else is. But, you know, there really shouldn't. Well, I mean, you know what? I could be totally dead wrong in this. Right, Alison. But there really shouldn't be a lot of national security security information, you would think, in this. Then again, I don't know, there's a reason why everybody's been talking about, who was it? It was Mike Johnson, right, Who was like, oh, was Trump actually an agent or was he doing something for the government? I mean, look, I don't mind if stuff is redacted for classified purposes. I actually raised in this video, I did yesterday, my concern that. That 15 days that the DOJ has or the Attorney General has to present to Congress. My fear, Allison, is Pamela Joe waits until the very end of that rolling production. So we don't get it from the 15 days from December 19, the explanation of what was withheld and redacted. We actually get it whenever the hell this ends. And according to Blanche, it's gonna take at least a few more weeks to be able to even go through the documents.
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A
Yeah, and honestly, I did the math. At the current rate of release, they're gonna be releasing these documents if there are, in fact, a million more that they just happened to find up until like.
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B
Like another 10 weeks or something, right?
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A
No, like mid-2031. Like, there's so many documents. But, you know, I don't know, it depends. Because they had a thousand people do it. It took them, you know, a bunch of overtime, a million dollars in overtime to go through about 300,000 pages. So they have 200 national security lawyers. That's a fifth of the amount of people they had to do the 300,000 pages. So, you know, just back of the envelope, it's going to be a while.
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B
Well, they were also looking for reinforcements. And remember, too, the DOJ has been gutted when it comes to lawyers and staff. I mean, those people. And you can't just have staff doing this. You have to have lawyers that are looking at it for purposes of privilege and all that other stuff. Even though that is not a permissive redaction point. Let me be very clear. The law, the Epstein Files Transparency act, doesn't allow for privilege redactions doesn't allow for those things. So when you've seen, like I actually posted on Social the other day, I was like, they redacted the phone number for the fax machine at the Metropolitan Correction center, the legal department's fax machine. And they've redacted names of prosecutors and other people that were not legally permissible redactions. And that really bothered me, because it's one thing to err on the side of caution. It's A whole other thing to be redacting things that are not allowed to be removed.
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A
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you why I think it's in the national security lawyer's hands, and not just because Eisenberg is friendly to omitting things from documents that he doesn't want people to see and hiding them in code word classified systems. But Donald Trump's excuse for everything ever since the Supreme Court. Remember when the Supreme Court said you have to talk about how to facilitate the return of Kilmara Brago Garcia to the United States?
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B
Oh, facilitate, exactly.
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A
But they put a sentence in there that said, but the courts must show due regard and deference to the president when it comes to national security issues. And ever since that sentence was written in that decision, the Trump administration has been like, everything that they don't want to talk about is national security. The agreement with Bukele, national security, me building the east wing with the bunker underneath. National security. You can't stop me. Me deporting people to third countries. National security, me trying to use the Alien Enemies act to disappear people to El Salvador and CECO prison. National security. Everything's national security. And I think that, that he can see the writing on the wall and people are going to ask why so many things are being withheld even if she doesn't start the 15 day clock until the entire rolling production is done so that he can say national security. That's why I've redacted these things.
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B
Well, and we also know that Jay Clayton at the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, again, no coincidences, the office that purportedly just quote unquote, stumbled over a million more documents that they just turned over to Main Justice. You know, there's allegedly some investigation that has been ordered by Pamela Joe Bondi to be conducted concerning Democrats solely as it relates to Epstein and the Epstein files. So that was, if you look at the law, the idea of an active criminal and pending investigation was grounds for redactions and withholdings. And so I also suspect that's going to be provided by Pamela Jo as an excuse as to why some of these things weren't turned over as well.
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A
Yeah. And one last thing I wanted to tell you. I'm in touch with a source who wants to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, that is a document storage expert at Information Management Division. I asked what would it take? Explain to me how you would lose 400 bankers boxes of documents because a million Pages is roughly 400 bankers boxes. That's crazy. And the person, like I said, who wishes to remain anonymous, you know, said, well, it would be very unlikely.
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B
Yeah.
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A
The only innocent explanation is that all 400 boxes were scanned into the system on the same day. And there was some massive glitch where nothing from that day made it into the digital inventory. And none of the audits that generally take place to check this scanned inventory were completed. Because even in that scenario, because of the audits, the error would have been caught immediately and quickly corrected. In fact, Katie, I was told that if you wanted. If you lost 400 boxes of documents, you would have to lose them on purpose. You would have to be hiding them. So the million documents was either hidden through malfeasance and discovered later because everyone was looking through for them, or it's a BS thing that doesn't exist at all.
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B
Well, think about the rock and the hard place. If they actually gave a shit, which we know they don't, Allison, the DOJ finds itself, right? Or the federal government kind of writ large. You either. And I love. I always love the word malfeasance, although in this regard, I think it veers so strongly into the land of criminal intent, like spoliation of evidence type of shit. Like, let's just get rid of the evidence, right? So it's either malfeasance, intent, specific intent to hide this stuff, right, until you got your ass busted, or you're so negligent or incompetent that you can also rise to the level of being criminally negligent and criminally incompetent. I mean, it's like either one makes you look bad. And again, that presupposes they actually care. Although I think they should, because, as I said, you know, you had a near unanimous support for this absent one person who said no in the House, but across the board, in Congress, you had near unanimous consent on this law. So I would be stunned to see a lack of energy going into a demand for explanations behind what is happening here. And the stupidity behind all this, too, Alison, is this rolling production, which is some. Which is otherwise okay in litigation, right? But this rolling production that is happening right now just keeps it in the media cycle over and over and over again. And so, to your point, if it takes them that long to get through a million documents, we'll be dealing with Epstein Files production through November of 2026. Right? I mean, we'll be dealing with this through the midterms. And this is one of those things that will never go away, because once actually everything. And even then, I don't believe it'll always be everything that's out there, which is the most horrific thing, right? Like if you're a victim or survivor, the fact that this could be hanging over your head, this idea that not all of it is out there just cheats them of justice, I think, and true accountability. But like if you, if you think about it, this is one of those things where when the information does come out, because also remember we're still getting stuff from the Epstein estate as well. Well, financials, their subpoenas, duces tikum that were served on financial institutions, thinking about all the different threads that we can continue to pull just to show what wasn't done before, what wasn't chased down before and people who care enough to do it. And this is us, right? This is you and I, two independent female journalists on a holiday Saturday, or Excuse me, Sunday, December 28th. Right. Like we're doing this like because we care. You can imagine like how many people are also going to approach somebody like you that's trusted, that they know will bring this to light and protect them, you know, as well. I mean, that's a big deal in my mind. This is one of those things that's just not going to go away.
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A
No. Right. And before I let you go, I just have to tell you that one of the sources I spoke to wanted to remind us that if you were going to hide a million documents, if that, if that is something that somebody wanted to do, it was, this would have been around the time frame when people at the New York FBI field office were in cahoots with Rudy Giuliani to release the wiener laptop and the Hillary emails in an effort to force Jim Comey to reopen the case. So there were a lot of very pro Trump, anti Hillary FBI agents in the New York field office at that time. So I don't know, it's just something to think about. It's a, it's, it's one of, of three possibilities here and all of them mean that Todd Blanche is lying.
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B
So I'm gonna say the common denominator through all of this concerning Blanche and Pamela Jo is the lies. You sit on a throne of lies. It's like that's what really bothered me, right? I kept on like going through all these documents and I'm like, what? Wait, we can go this far back? And if we keep on going farther and farther back, we see these representations made and the funny thing is they want to embrace this kind of public forward facing shit. And if they only learned their lesson, if they were circumspect Right. About how they as federal officials deal with the public. And if they weren't like Dan, Bingo, Boingo, Bongino and everybody racing and Cash, Patel, Mitra and Valhalla, like, if, you know, if they weren't racing to be all out there in social media as is Pam Bondi, you know, they probably would not be. It wouldn't be those. This obvious. Right. They wouldn't be so busted. Although candidly, this would all come out one way or another.
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A
You'd think, and you'd think that they would know the massive public interest. But I have to tell you, in my, in my FOIA lawsuit, I've, I've sued the government Department of Justice to get those training videos for the redaction.
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B
Yeah.
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They finally responded. Their reason for not for opposing my expedited processing of those videos. Their actual reason, Katie, is that there is not widespread public interest in the Epstein matter. That's their actual argument that I failed.
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B
To show, which is so bad faith. It's almost laughable how bad faith that is.
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A
We'll see what Judge Barrel Howell says about it. Katie, thank you so much for joining me today.
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B
We love Judge Barrel Howell, by the way.
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A
Yes, we do.
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B
Oh, no, thank you. Thank you for this amazing, amazing breaking news. It just, it just. Listen, it just makes us feel better that the more we push this, the more people are willing to come forward and verify and corroborate what we're, what we're putting out there.
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A
Yeah, I agree. It's all. It's always good to see you, my friend. I hope you have a wonderful new year.
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B
Happy New Year, my friend.
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A
All right, everybody, thanks for watching the Breakdown. I know we weren't supposed to be here. I know we were supposed to take that day off, but I really wanted to get that breaking news to you. And thanks again to my friend and colleague here at the Midas Touch Network, Katie Fang. There's a lot of other news that happened this week and you can catch it all on the Daily Beans podcast wherever you get your podcast. So thanks so much for watching the breakdown.
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C
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