
Thursday, September 25th, 2025 Today, Jimmy Kimmel returns to air with a fantastic monologue worthy of the moment; the US Attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia is going to try to get a grand jury to indict jim Comey despite investigators saying there’s no probable cause; Adelita Grijalva wins the special election in Arizona - 7 to fill her late father’s seat and she is the final signature needed on the discharge petition to release the Epstein files; a judge warned that the DOJ may have violated Luigi Mangione’s right to a fair trial; a federal judge said Trump violated the law when he fired all those inspectors general but stopped short of reinstating them; a sniper opened fire on a Dallas ICE facility killing one detainee and wounding two, turning the gun on himself; the Trump administration is rehiring hundreds of federal employees fired by DOGE; Reality Winner speaks out in her new memoir I Am Not Your Enemy; a big ol’ bronze statue of Trump and Epstein holding hands ha...
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MSW Media hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Thursday, September 25, 2025. Today, Jimmy Kimmel returned to the air with a fantastic monologue worthy of the moment. The U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia is going to try to get a grand jury to indict Jim Comey, despite investigators and prosecutors saying there's no probable cause. Adelita Grijalva has won the special election in the Arizona 7th district to fill her late father's seat. And she has the final signature needed on the discharge petition to release the Epstein files. A judge has warned that the Department of Justice may have violated Luigi Mangione's right to a fair trial. Another federal judge says Trump violated the law when he fired all those inspectors general but stopped short of reinstating them. A sniper opened fire on a Dallas ICE facility, killing one detainee and wounding two, turning the gun on himself. The Trump administration is rehiring hundreds of federal employees fired by Doge. Reality winner speaks out in her new memoir, I am not your Enemy. And a big old bronze statue of Trump and Epstein holding hands has been removed from the National Mall. I'm your host, Alison Gill. Hey, everybody, happy Thursday. Dana's going to be back tomorrow. Like I said, thank you for hanging in there with me solo today. I'm going to be talking with Reality Winner about her new memoir called I Am not yout Enemy. You don't want to miss that discussion. Jimmy Kimmel returned to air, at least on some stations where he wasn't preempted by oligarch assholes at Sinclair and nexstar. And it was a great monologue. I was like, who? No press right in that monologue. Probably the most watched monologue in the history of any late night television show. But let's listen to a couple, couple of clips before we get to the hot notes. First up is a clip about Donald Trump being so thin skinned that he is incapable of taking a joke.
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The president of the United States made it very clear he wants to see me and the hundreds of people who work here fired from our jobs. Our leader celebrates Americans losing their livelihoods because he can't take a joke.
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All right, next, Jimmy Kimmel did take some time to talk about freedom of the press, and this was important.
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He's gunning for our journalists, too. He's suing them. He's bullying them. Over the weekend, his foxy friend Pete Hegseth announced a new policy that requires journalists with Pentagon press credentials to sign a pledge promising not to report information that hasn't been explicitly authorized for release. That includes unclassified information. They want to pick and choose what the news is. I know that's not as interesting as muzzling a comedian, but it's so important to have a free press and it is nuts. And that we aren't paying more attention to it. Walter Cronkite must be spinning in his grave right now. He's dead, right?
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And then, of course, there's the Streisand effect of it all.
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He tried, did his best to cancel me. Instead, he forced millions of people to watch the show. That backfired bigly. He might have to release the Epstein files to distract us from this now.
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And probably my favorite joke of the.
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Monologue, people have been asking me if there are conditions for my return to the air, and there is one. Disney has asked me to read the following statement and I agreed to do it. Here we go. To reactivate your Disney and Hulu account.
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Now, I'm gonna continue to stay unsubscribed from Disney as long as the bullshit affiliates keep him off the air, keep preempting him. But I thought that was a fantastic monologue. I thought he did a wonderful job, and I feel like we won a little battle. I think that's an historic moment in television and I'm glad I got to see it. All right, everybody, it's time for the news. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. First up, Democrat Adel Grijalva won 70 to 30 in Arizona last night. Grijalva, former Pima county supervisor and Tucson school board member, captured Arizona's 7th congressional district, which includes Tucson, over Republican Daniel Boutierrez. She will serve out the remaining 15 months of Rep. Raul Grijalva's term. That's her father, after he died in March of complications during cancer treatment. She is the final signature needed to force a floor vote on the release of the Epstein files in the House. Next up from Falders at ABC. Donald Trump's handpicked U.S. attorney in Virginia is planning to ask a grand jury in the coming days to indict former FBI Director Jim Comey for allegedly lying to Congress despite prosecutors and investigators determining there was insufficient evidence to charge him. That's according to sources with direct knowledge of the probe. Earlier this week, prosecutors presented Lindsey Halligan, Trump's former personal attorney who he appointed to lead the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of Virginia. They gave her a detailed memo recommending she decline to bring perjury and obstruction charges against Jim Comey. She got that memo. That memo exists. That memo, if she happens to get an indictment passed, a federal grand jury will come up in court. A months long investigation into Comey by DOJ prosecutors failed to establish probable cause of a crime. So not even the likelihood, like not even, you know, the standard of being able to obtain a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. They couldn't find probable cause. Meaning that not only would they be unable to secure a conviction, but proving the claims beyond a reasonable doubt would be impossible. They couldn't even reach a significantly lower standard, the one that's necessary to secure an indictment, probable cause. Which is why they say you can indict a ham sandwich. Now keep in mind you can drag Comey for what he did to Hillary in 2016, and I do. And you can also drag the DOJ for this bullshit weaponization of justice. At the same time, Andy McCabe and I are going to discuss this in far more detail on this weekend's episode of Unjustified, because Andy might have a role to play here. All right, next up from abc, a sniper opened fire on a Dallas Immigration and Customs Enforcement field office Wednesday morning, killing one detainee, not an ICE official, a detainee, and critically wounding two other detainees. That's what the Department of Homeland Security said. DHS previously said two detainees were killed and one was injured. The agency later issued a correction saying one died and two were shot but survived. Man, this is the problem with wanting to do everything on social media with this administration. One of the wounded was a Mexican national. According to Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs. While no officers were injured, Department of Homeland Security said the shooting was an attack on ICE law enforcement, which in all likelihood means it was not. Kash Patel shared a photo on Twitter of some bullets, one which had written in pen anti ice, not no ICE or Fuck ICE or anything else anybody who's actually against ICE would write. But once again, like they did with the bullets from Charlie Kirk shooter, the media is running with this as fact, as if you can believe what Kash Patel has to say, or the Department of Homeland Security for that matter. Now, I'm not telling you that I know it's bullshit or that I know it's real. I'm saying it needs to be reported that they got it wrong last week. But here's what Kash Patel is saying on Twitter about something that was written on one of the bullets in pen. Hmm. We'll keep an eye on this. Next up from All Rise News, Adam KLASSFELD Two high ranking Department of Justice officials Social media posts amplifying Donald Trump declaring Luigi Mangione guilty during a Fox interview may have violated a federal court's local rule protecting his right to a fair trial. That's what a federal judge said on Wednesday. On Tuesday, Mangione's defense team, led by attorney Karen Friedman agnifilo I hope I'm saying that right. They filed a letter alerting the judge to Trump's statements to try and take the death penalty off the table in her client's federal case. On September 18, Trump told Fox's audience that Mangione shot someone in the back. Clear as you're looking at me. Shot him right in the middle of the back, instantly dead. Mangione stands charged in state and federal court with murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Commenting on Mangione's supporters, Trump added, this is a sickness. This really has to be studied and investigated. Well, we can't study gun violence in the United States because of you anyway. U.S. district Judge Margaret Garnett warned prosecutors early to comply with the Southern District of New York's Local Criminal Rule 23.1 governing free press and fair trial directives. On April 25, Garnett issued an order, quote, directing the prosecution team to ensure that the highest levels of the Department of Justice, up to and including the Attorney General, were aware of and understood they were bound by this rule. Mangion's lawyers notified the court that at least two high ranking officials, Chad Gilmartin and Brian Neves, echoed Trump's words on social media posts on September 20, declaring Mangione guilty. Two days later, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt referred to Mangione at a press conference as a left wing assassin who shot United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson right in the back. In New York City, Stephen Miller also described Mangione as an example of radical left terrorism, a political alignment that his attorneys deny. The government has indelibly prejudiced Mr. Mangione by baselessly linking him to unrelated violent events and left wing extremist groups despite there being no connection or affiliation. That's what the defense's legal brief said, following up with a not so thinly veiled allusion to Charlie Kirk's assassination. Quote, again, it's not, I don't call it an assassination, but quote, a recent tragic high profile murder has only increased this prejudicial rhetoric. The attempts to connect Mr. Man with these incidents and paint him as a left wing violent extremist are false, prejudicial and part of a greater political narrative that has no place in a criminal case, especially one where the death penalty is at stake. Judge Garnett ordered prosecutors to respond to Mangione's filing by October 3rd and submit a sworn declaration from a person of suitable authority about how the alleged violations occurred. Quote, the government is also directed to advise the deputy attorney general for dissemination within the department as appropriate that future violations may result in sanctions, which could include personal financial penalties, contempt of court findings or relief specific to the prosecution of this matter. The government's declaration shall also include confirmation that this message has been conveyed to the deputy attorney general. The judge added that she'll consider other statements by government officials cited in Mangian's defense filing when she decides his death penalty motion. All right, next up from cbs, a federal judge Tuesday declined to reinstate a group of internal watchdogs at eight federal agencies who were fired by Trump earlier this year. But she wrote that the president broke the law when he ousted them without notifying Congress and providing a justification for the removals. This is U.S. district Judge Anna Reyes. She declined the officials request for an order allowing them to return to their jobs as inspectors general unless Mr. Trump removes them in a way that complies with federal law. Reyes said the plaintiffs, eight former government watchdogs, failed to show that they had suffered irreparable harm as a result of their firing. She noted that even if the officials were reinstated to their roles as they asked to be, Mr. Trump could remove them again after 30 days by providing notice and a rationale to Congress requirements laid out in the Inspector General Act. Quote, the court recognizes the plaintiff's exceptional services. Inspectors general marked by decades of distinguished leadership across multiple administrations. They sacrificed much to take on the role of an IG and its many demands and no doubt including substantial time away from family and far larger paychecks available in the private sector. That's what Reyes wrote in her 20 page decision. She went on to say they deserved better from their government and they still do. Unfortunately, this court cannot provide plaintiffs more. Still, she said Mr. Trump violated the law when he fired the internal agency watchdogs without telling Congress or laying out the reasons for removal. Quote, president Trump violated the iga. That much is obvious. That's what the judge wrote. So basically because the way he violated the law was by not informing Congress. So she reinstated him. He would just inform Congress and wait the 30 days and fire them again. That's why she's not reinstating them. Next up from cnn, hundreds of federal employees who lost their jobs in Musk's cost cutting blitz are being asked to return to work. The GSA General Services Administration has given the employees who managed government workspaces until the end of the week to accept or decline reinstatement. Now those who accept must report for duty October 6th after what amounts to a seven month paid vacation, during which time the GSA in some cases racked up very high costs, passed along to us, the taxpayers, to stay in dozens of properties whose leases were slated for termination or allowed to expire. Quote Ultimately, the outcome was the agency was left broken and understaffed. That's Chad Becker, former GSA real estate official, went on to say they didn't have the people they needed to carry out basic functions. Pushback to GSA's dumping of its portfolio was swift and both initiatives have been dialed back. More than 480 leases slated for termination by Doge have since been spared. Those leases were for offices scattered around the country that are occupied by such agencies as the irs, the Social Security Administration and the Food and Drug Administration. As a result of the internal turmoil, 131 leases expired without the government actually vacating the properties. The situation has exposed the agencies to steep fees because property owners have not been able to rent out those spaces to other tenants. We pay those steep fees. Next up from the Times the two bronze colored figures appeared mysteriously on Tuesday, rising a dozen feet tall on the National Mall. One President Trump, the other deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Best Friends forever, the title read on a plaque nestled below the two figures that held hands frolicking before the U.S. capitol. By Wednesday morning, the statue had been removed by the United States Park Police. Its provenance was unknown, its creators anonymous. But its brief dalliance on the National Mall, hardly a mile from the White House, took aim at a lingering albatross for Trump, his friendship with Mr. Epstein. The brief installation was the latest in a series of satirical statues that have appeared in Washington since October 2024. A plaque at the statue's base read, quote, we celebrate the long standing bond between President Donald J. Trump and his closest friend, Jeffrey Epstein. Etched separately were several quotes from a sexually explicit note that Mr. Trump is said to have written to Mr. Epstein on his 50th birthday. The US Park Service and the Park Police said in a statement that it and the National Park Service have removed the statue because it was not in compliance with a permit. That's some good trouble right there. I look forward to the next statue on the Mall. And speaking of good trouble, we're going to have some, but it's first up in the good news today. So first you'll have my interview with Reality Winner. So stick around. We'll be right back after these messages. We'll be right back. Still paying Too much for Wireless Mint Mobile keeps it simple with their favorite word. No. No contracts, no extra bills, no sneaky fees, no hidden cost, no tricks. 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So if you're ready to say yes to saying no, make the switch to mint mobile@mintmobile.com dailybeans that's mintmobile.com dailybeans upfront payment of $45 required equivalent to $15 a month limited time new customer offer for three months only. Speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan taxes and fees extra. C Mint Mobile for details hey everybody, welcome back. Reality Winner was a 25 year old translator for the NSA when she read a classified document revealing what she assumed would make headlines during a time of unprecedented leaking. Now, after blatant lies by the Trump administration and public silence by the NSA, there had in fact been foreign interference in the 2016 US election. In a breach of NSA protocol, she impulsively printed it, took it out of the building and mailed it to the Intercept, which published it, and then promptly informed the nsa. For that, she received the longest prison sentence ever imposed on a government affiliated employee convicted of a single count of leaking classified information and spent more than four years in federal prison. And now, for the first time, Reality Winner is telling her own story. Her unusual childhood in South Texas with a brilliant but unstable father whose obsession with politics, ancient history, philosophy and religion sparked her own interest in ancient civilizations and the study of foreign languages, including Latin, Arabic, Farsi, Dari and Pashto. Her patriotism after 9 11, which led her to enlist in the Air Force and join the nsa, where the work she did in the hope of protecting American security was part of the US Campaign in Afghanistan and most movingly, her life in the American prison system and how it nearly broke her. Her new book, I Am not yout Enemy, is Bold. It's a brave examination of the moral choices that compel us to act, as well as an account of the risks one young woman took to protect her country and the price that she paid for it. It's also a powerful argument for standing up for what you believe in during uncertain times and an inspiring message which is as relevant now, maybe even more so, as it was when she made her decision. So please welcome to the Daily Beans Reality winner. Hi.
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Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be here.
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I cannot tell you how excited I am to talk to you. We have been reporting for years on the interference in the 2016 election. Your leak, what happened to you? Following your story. I know we had your mom on the Mueller She Wrote podcast, and I wanted to start today by asking you what prompted you to write your memoir and tell your story, because I think, you know, making sure other people hear what you have to say is vitally important. And I was wondering if that was the impetus here or if there were other things.
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My personal reason for writing this is the four years of having other people tell my story for me, talk about things like just who I am as a person, never really being able to put it all out there in long form. You know, I've done a lot of interviews, and there's never quite enough time to explain everything or give the backstory to the backstory story. And so what I had hoped to accomplish in this memoir is to talk about my life leading up to the decision, like all the way from childhood. What made me to be the kind of person who doesn't just sit back and wait for other people to act and then to really try to preserve as many of the people I had met in prison, as well as give that firsthand experience of what we're doing wrong in this country regarding criminal justice. So that hopefully, you know, a year from now, I'm not still giving interviews, trying to explain to people why I did what I did. So this is definitely closing a really big door in my life.
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Right? Answering the questions everyone has once and for all. Right. Closing a chapter so that you can open another one. I remember for me growing up My dad was in the Air Force. He got out before I was born. And well after he passed away from exposure to Agent Orange, complications from exposure to Agent Orange, I learned that he was actually, he spoke Russian. He took a Russian learning course. And his job in the Air Force was to intercept and translate and decrypt Russian messages because the Russians were helping the Viet Cong, the North Vietnamese, during the Vietnam War. And so he was using that intelligence to find supply lines coming in on Russia and. And give that to the misty pilots to take them out. And then afterwards, he was very much about fairness, about justice, and against authoritarianism in every form, particularly when it comes from the Soviets. And so that's where I get my sense of what I need to do and what my purpose is. And you talk about in your book, your childhood and what gave you your moral compass. Talk a little bit about that.
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First of all, that's absolutely incredible that your dad did all of that. My older brother is a Russian linguist in the Air Force, so we have that in common. Honestly, like, it sounds really dumb, but it just came from being a millennial. Watching Disney growing up, I feel like every Disney movie is somebody who breaks really big rules, but at the end of the story is like, well, I just did this to help somebody, right? Anything to help a friend or to do the right thing. And I think it's just really unfortunate in our culture that in our storytelling, we always praise the individual. We're a highly individualistic society and we're always questioning authority. That's like, you know, the origin story of the United States is that there's not going to be one figure of authority. And we can question that and have freedom of thought. Like, you know, that's why. I mean, there's so many other reasons. We can talk about colonization and stuff like that, but the story that we tell our children in public schools is the rugged individualism that formed America. And I think it's insane that when people become rugged individuals and do questionable things because they want to make the country a better place, they get crushed.
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Yeah. And I think there's a lot of people waking up to that as they're seeing their neighbors being kidnapped by masked ICE agents in unmarked vans. I know a professor of history named Jelani Cobb talked about how back in the day when the refugee slave act was enacted and people were coming into neighborhoods and kidnapping people's neighbors and community members, even the segregationists, the non abolitionists, were against it. And people were kind of coming together against that sort of battle against that sort of removal of their community members. And I think that's why it's so fascinating that your book, you don't have to have worked for the NSA and leaked a document to connect with you on multiple levels about what your message is in this book. And so I wanted to ask you, because I know what I learned and I know what I take away from it. But what are you hoping that people can learn from your story and take away from your story?
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It's changed so much over the four years that we've been trying to make this memoir come into fruition. And I think right now, a lot of people ask if it's a cautionary tale. And at this moment in time, with things in this country that are so, so quickly devolving and, and we're real, we are all going to hell in a hand basket at this point, that the moral of the story is that I'm okay and I made it home, and you can, too. I'm not telling anybody to commit a crime or betray an agreement that they made with the government of the United States. But I want active duty service members and people who are working for the government to know that if there is a time to question authority and to give the people of the United States information or even, you know, a little bit of sabotage, like what we saw in, like, the Vietnam era with destroying all the draft cards, if there's a time for questionable behavior, like, look at this book. Look at the movies that have come out compared to week one when the prosecution of the government of the United States said I was a Taliban sympathizer. And just know that here we are eight years later. I made it out okay. You know, it wasn't all bad. And that was one of the things I wanted to show about prison. Like, it was hard because I have a very specific mental illness that made it hard. But the people I met, you know, I met some of the greatest people, and I had a lot of fun. It was the first time as an adult that I had friends, and it was okay. And I also, you know, what I'm trying to say now is it's not something that was really said a lot in the memoir, but if you work for the government right now and you are white, you may get arrested, but you're not going to get sent to El Salvador. You're not going to be disappeared, you know, like anybody else, Anybody with the foreign. Like, we all have foreign names. First of all, none of us are from the North American continent. But, you know, you're not. You are not going to be disappeared.
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Right. So use your privilege for the greater good.
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So that's my message right now.
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I appreciate that. Yeah. And I, you know, I often think of, I think of the clash between doing what's right and it being against the law. Think of Ellsberg and the Pentagon papers, which impacted my dad quite a bit when that came out. I would like you to talk about you. You know, you just mentioned that you're, you know, made friends probably for the first time as an adult when you were in prison. Talk a little bit more about how prison has changed you and your perception of right and wrong.
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It taught me a lot about sentencing disparities. I think it's very easy to hear about it in the news, but to talk to somebody like my roommate Parisa Dixon passed away earlier this year, but you know, she got nine plus years for like $32,000 in wire fraud. And then like another woman who, you know, wasn't black got, you know, six years for, you know, $2 million worth of embezzlement. When it comes to these financial crimes, it's just who your legal team is and who you pissed off. And a lot of times race comes into that. If you're. Do you know, depending on what type of drugs and what type of distribution charge you wind up with. I know people doing 25 years when the feds didn't find a single gram on them. It was just somebody put their name in their deposition so that they could get a better deal. All they had were Facebook messages of possible drug dealers. And those people are actually doing more time than child sex offenders. You know, I mean, since we're so obsessed about that right now in our country, these women, most of those women have release dates and they would have gotten more time if they were selling meth, you know, and, and the females, they exist like they're in Carswell right now. And the program that they give to correct and heal them is a Christian one. That is what our federal prison is doing. They just put them in a year long Christian boot camp that tells them that they're the victim and then they get released and it's like. But then, you know, God forbid you, you know, have a drug related crime. You're never going to see the light of day. That was one of the things that we would just talk about, we would get so angry about because nobody in there felt like they were innocent. But we just couldn't understand what this system was actually doing for society in general. No, right.
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And if, you know, if you ask me it's to incarcerate marginalized communities, take away their right to vote and keep them at bay. I mean, we saw it with the mandatory minimum sentences for people who had cocaine versus people who were found with crack. We long, I mean, you can go back hundreds of years with the disparities between our two, you know, the two tiers in our justice system. And now with the wealth gap and the oligarchs kind of taking over. They're allowed to do whatever they want and nobody else is. So I think we're going to start seeing that lower, you know, just everybody else who's not a billionaire starting to suffer right along with everybody else. And I think that's why it's more important now than ever to speak out and tell the truth, which is why I'm so glad that you, you've written this book. And I hope everybody goes to their local bookstore and orders it. Order 10 copies, give away some for the holidays, put some in some little libraries wherever you're around your neighborhood. I love my little libraries in my neighborhood. But people, I think, need to read this story because the courage and the bravery to stand up and do what's right in the face of longstanding decades, hundreds of years old disparities and issues with our justice system is now, like you said, important now more than ever. Given what we're seeing happen today from this particular regime. Would you do it again? Would you do it all over again if you had the chance?
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I wouldn't. Simply because that information did not change the trajectory of our country. It did not leave the American people more informed. It certainly didn't leave them any less divided than they were before. I would say that if I can't change the fact that I broke the law or that I was willing to break the law, I wish I had walked out of NSA with the document and taken it to Congress because they actually hadn't seen that report. Like that was one of the crazy things when you're so compartmentalized and you see that everybody with the top secret clearance at NSA at least has read the document, you feel like you're being mocked. Like, Congress saw this, the Senate saw this, they all saw this. And they're just laughing. And in truth, it was. We had seen it because it was an analysis of something, but other parts of the government did not. And so if I had that knowledge, I would have taken it straight to the Senate. I would have been. I mean, they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on in court. Like, yeah, she retained and disclosed national defense information. But at least I would have gone down in history as someone who took secret information from the NSA and gave it to a senator and then gone to jail. It would have changed so much more about how they tried to portray who I was as a person.
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Yeah. And again, I think that speaks to why you would want to tell your story. So the book is called I Am not yout Enemy. It is a memoir by Reality Winner. I hope everybody grabs as many copies as they can. And is there anything else you want everybody to know about you or about this situation that maybe I didn't cover?
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So I guess it's not a public enough document. My plea deal with the United States, which is an open source public document. I'm not making any money from this. I've not made a single penny off the movies. I, as well as any of my associates, my family, and they included future family members, can never make money off of any information or any telling of my life story from the day I joined the Air Force, which has nothing to do with my crime until the day I finished my prison sentence last November. Anything related to that. Even if my mother were to write her own memoir about being the mother of an incarcerated daughter, if she were to use my name and my crime and anything relevant to that and she makes money off of it, I could go back to prison for her. I signed that document, but my whole family is held to it. Wow.
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Well, how can we support you?
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Never stop talking about the genocide in Gaza as well as the Congo. There's multiple genocides going on right now, and they're all caused by, you know, Western colonialism.
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All right, well, thank you for that. I really appreciate everything that you've done, and I'm glad that you came to talk about it with me today here on the pod. So I wish you the best of luck, and we will continue to talk about the genocide in Gaza and the Congo. I'm glad you brought that up. Most people miss that.
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Yeah.
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So thank you very much for your time today. I appreciate it. Reality winner, everybody.
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Thank you so much, everybody.
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Or it can be a local one like medical or you know, something that's going on municipally where you've been helped or a loved one as well. We would also love to hear about student debt relief. Those are great stories. People being unburdened who've been saddled with, you know, just immense debt. Having that debt relief is pretty amazing. It changes lives. Send that all to us. And to get your stuff read on the air, you just gotta pay your podpet tariffs, which really means attach a photo of anything. But you can attach your pet. We can try to guess the breeds in your shelter pup if you want. An adoptable pet in your area works too. Any random photo of an animal off the Internet. We have some favorites. I like capybaras, secretary birds, naked mole rats, pygmy marmosets. I love a Bornean binturong. We love pandas. I like red pandas. Dana likes black and white pandas. Anything really. And then of course, family pictures or pictures of your happy place or maybe a rally you've been to that had some great signs. We've got Kings 2 coming up October 18th, so get your cameras ready to send in photos of your favorite signs for that and you know, any great activism going on in your in your neighborhood, maybe whatever little protest is happening. We would love to see those photos. And of course baby pictures, family pictures, whatever. Just send us a photo. We would love to see it. You can send it all to us@dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. All right, first up is your good trouble. Your good trouble today comes from Dana Pronoun. She and her hey Ag and dg. The US Department of Education has released the details of its Patriotic education program. States have a choice to opt in, but they're basically dangling the grant money like a carrot on a stick. Teach history our way or else. Partners of the curriculum include Prageru and Turning Point usa, which put a glossy whitewashed narrative of slavery out there rather than the brutal honesty that students need. There's a comment period open until October 17th, so please lend your voice against extreme right wing ideology creeping into our public schools. Accessing the comment portal has a few steps and a long link, so here's a Facebook post to Mrs. Frazzled that lays it out with some screenshots to help. We're gonna have a link to that Facebook post and a link to regulations.gov where you can add your voice to this issue. Love your podcast. Thanks for the good trouble opportunities, Dana. Thank you for the good trouble today. All right, now we have a pronunciation correction. Anonymous pronoun. She and her hello again. Tere is pronounced tie as A necktie Re rhymes with free Tyree. Okay, it' gorgeous if sometimes a bit cold and windy. Less than an hour flight from Glasgow or a ferry from Oban. All the best. Now I'm probably going to get pronunciation corrections for Glasgow and Oban. Next up from Alicia. Pronoun she and her Today you mentioned a town in Massachusetts and it made me giggle. As a native to central Massachusetts, I play a fun game with all my out of town friends called how do you pronounce this town name? Know with confidence that you are in good company as there are oh so many people who can't pronounce Leominster. The best way I can write it for you is to say Lemonster but say it together. Lemonster. I get quite a giggle when people try to pronounce towns like Haverhill, Lemonster, Worcester. I know that one. And even my hometown, Ayer, which is probably not Ayr and Haverhill is probably. I don't know how else could you say that. Haverl. Haverl. You let us know. Alicia, for my pod pet tariff I gave you my three crazy pups. Hank and Austin are 10 months old. They're giants or mini cows as my husband puts it. And our little guy Marshall is my 12 year old shadow that's always following me around. Can you guess the breed of the big ones? They are Piebald Siberian Huskies. Piebald is a genetic trait that affects animal skin and coat patterns. Many breeders don't like it and tend to just drop litters at pounds. That's how I got these two rescued from a high kill shelter just under eight weeks old. They're beautiful. As a longtime Daily listener, I just want to say I appreciate everything the Beans team is doing to deliver us the news. I appreciate it more than you know. Thank you Alicia. I appreciate you more than you know. Let me know how to pronounce Haverhill, Haveril Havrel Haverl, Lemonster, Worcester and I don't know Ayer. You let us know. Next up, Mel from Rhode Island. She her hi beanalicious babes. I'm a listener patron of all things since the kitchen table days. This is my first time writing into the good news. Now if you're first of all, I'm just want to break in here. If you're a new listener to the Daily Beans, you'll hear a lot of people talk about the kitchen table days. That's from 2017 when I first set up the Mueller She Wrote podcast. We did it in our kitchen. The sound was atrocious. You can still Listen to those early episodes. They're out there on podcast platforms, but that's what people mean by the kitchen table days. So while I have a constant tension headache from the anxiety and sadness due to the utter shit storm that none of the Leguminati signed up for, I'm grateful for my incredible family, four beautiful children, and amazing friends. It's my very best friend who's been a family since our childhood that I want to give a shout out to and hopefully usher in some good news with all of your help. Two weeks before COVID lockdown began, we were all at an 80s themed party when we received confirmation that my bestie had been diagnosed with the aggressive form of breast cancer. Her journey began with multiple surgeries, chemo, radiation. After over a year of remission, she received the devastating news that the cancer had metastasized to her spine, and she again endured surgery, chemo, and radiation. She almost got another year of remission. And then we learned this spring that the cancer had metastasized further into her spine. She has just finished her radiation and our amazing oncology team is monitoring her closely to determine whether further interventions are needed. At 48 years old, my brilliant friend, who is a former healthcare professional herself, can no longer walk. What energy she has, she pours into her 10 and 12 year old kids who barely remember the time before mom got sick. Her husband is an absolute rock star, but the caregiving, financial burden and raw emotions have all taken a toll on him too. A few of our other ride or die friends and I are rallying our local crew for a fundraiser where the price of admission is a donation of a service or support for the family. As my pod pet tax, I've attached a photo of my bestie's purebred pearl on the left, her rescue mix Maui in the middle, and my rescue mix, Blue on the right. I'm sure you can guess the prominent breed they all have in common. Also, I'm attaching a pic of my partner and I from an infamous 80s party because I know AG will appreciate it. That's his real hair. What? Okay. All right. I do appreciate this. I appreciate the Robert Smith hair. I appreciate the Robert Smith makeup. I appreciate your partner, Mel. That's amazing. Look at the baby dogs. Yeah, they all look like, I don't know, pities or labs. That's definitely a lab on the left there. So they probably all got lab in them, right? Somewhere. Let's see, let's see. Prominent breed lab. Yay. I got one right. Fantastic photos. Thank you so much. For that amazing shout out. Next up from Max L. Pronouns he and they Beans Queens thanks for the thoughtful news. Been listening for a few years. Here's a hidden hummingbird pic From Monday when RFK Jr. Was confirmed he said he was going to have autism answers in September. I knew it was going to be darkly funny, so I waited excitedly to hear something very stupid. I got to say they killed it. I laughed so hard. The setup from the brain worm, the suspense of waiting while they did absolutely nothing. Then the payoff with Trump revealing he's never said the word acetaminophen before. I am laughing and crying. They couldn't look any more foolish in front of the whole world. And a note here. It's important to continue to express our support for solidarity with all the people on the autism spectrum and every person with a disability. This administration is actively hurting them and we see you here at the daily Beans Max. Thank you for that submission. That's a beautiful photo of flowers. Next up, Doc Adams pronoun she and her hello Beans Queens. So appreciate what you do for both of us. News with detail, then amazing interviews and good trouble suggestions with good news. You're both so immediate with us offering your support and encouragement to listeners and I want to take this space to give a shout out to an amazing woman in the Central Valley. Melissa Knight started Art of Anger, Fresno's first smash and rage room. She offers an alternative mental health model trauma transformation center that is holistic, artistic and therapeutic. Upon entering her space, clients are encouraged to release their long held pain and trauma and free themselves from the pain of their past in a completely judgment free zone. She provides an emotionally safe and sacred space for releasing the anger, hurt and resentment that all of us carry around with us, accumulated and packed away after every lie, every betrayal, every emotional manipulation, every physical assault, every verbal attack. Melissa Knight is a personal life, spiritual development and executive coach, an Akashic Soul Records practitioner and a Taoist Nidan practitioner. If I'm pronouncing any of that improperly, just let me know. As well as a medical intuitive, empath and energetic healer who specializes in healing trauma, Melissa's work focuses on helping others to stand in their power and reclaim and heal their feminine and masculine divine as they begin or expand their self discovery and self love journey. She has been a consultant, trainer and coach for nonprofit health and human service organizations nationally and internationally for 30 years. I simply am not able to express how special this human being is and her reach into others hearts. So many in our communities are doing exceptional emotional and Spiritual work and that needs our attention, respect and support. Hatched is a picture of my boys Breeds not hard to guess nor their names hard to understand. Sunny and Hershey Sunny is a golden golden and Hershey is a choco lab oh so beautiful. That's wonderful. Melissa Knight. Thank you Doc Adams. Appreciate that. It's a great shout out. Next up it just says she Aloha. I love your show. I listen to it in the morning while I walk my dogs. My good news is about this amazing nonprofit ryse maybe rise hawaii ryse hawaii.org I've been involved with it for about eight years. We're a group of concerned individuals who helped out with providing food and supplies to a drop in center for homeless youth. We realized they had no place to go after we closed at 6pm so with the help of the amazing director Carla, we were able to obtain the lease to a broken down school on state property. And we renovated it with volunteer help, Rotarians and uh, athletes, mostly women basketball players. It became the first live in shelter specifically for youth 18 to 24. This is the most vulnerable population of homeless here and possibly nationwide. We were able to house 20 young people in small private rooms with group bathrooms, kitchen and living space. Eight years later we have expanded to seven group homes and more on the way. We helped house about 178 youth just last year. We use our original shelter as the hub. No barrier to entry. We provide all the life skills these youth need and that they did not receive from parents or foster parents. We put them in drug rehab if it's needed. We help with financial literacy classes, filling out rental applications, medical appointments and many more services including job training. We have to fundraise more strategically now with the loss of some federal funding, but we will succeed. Here's a picture of one of my dogs with a much deserved post work beverage. Little poodle baby. All right everybody. Ryse hawaii.org if you can help out that would be amazing. Thank you everybody for your amazing good news. We really really appreciate it. Dan will be back in your ears tomorrow with me. Thanks for hanging with me solo. Thanks to reality winner for talking to me today. Just such a brave person. I appreciate all of you and until tomorrow please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been AG and them's the Beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane. With art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information Please visit msw media.com msw media.
Date: September 25, 2025
Host: Allison Gill (AG), MSW Media
Guest: Reality Winner
Note: Dana Goldberg is absent this episode.
This episode dives into major current events in progressive politics, with standout coverage of Reality Winner’s new memoir and exclusive interview. The host, Allison Gill, provides her signature snarky news roundup, breaking down the week’s headline stories—ranging from late-night television's reaction to censorship, political moves in Congress regarding the Epstein files, Trump-era legal maneuvers, and thought-provoking criminal justice issues. The episode culminates in an in-depth, personal conversation with Reality Winner about her decision to leak an NSA document, her prison experience, and her newly published book, I Am Not Your Enemy.
AG introduces Reality Winner as a former NSA linguist who leaked evidence of Russian election interference in 2016, received the longest-ever prison sentence for a single classified leak, and now shares her story in a memoir.
Motivation for Writing [20:09]:
Formative Experiences & Moral Compass [22:29]:
Intended Takeaways for Readers [24:56]:
Prison Experience & Systemic Injustice [28:03]:
On Whether She Would Do It Again [31:48]:
Consequences of Her Plea [33:43]:
How to Help [34:49]:
The episode blends sharp progressive analysis and humor with honest, sobering testimony about justice, conscience, and activism. The interview with Reality Winner is raw, reflective, and nuanced—illuminating both personal struggle and wider issues in American justice and whistleblowing. Listeners are left with a sense of the stakes in standing up for principle, the weight of such decisions, and practical encouragement to speak out and support those who do.