RFK Gets Carnivorous in New Food Pyramid & Hegseth Is Accused of Perfidy War Crime | Joachim Trier

Summary

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The Daily Show: Ears Edition

Episode: RFK Gets Carnivorous in New Food Pyramid & Hegseth Is Accused of Perfidy War Crime | Joachim Trier
Host: Comedy Central News Team, led by "Jordan Klepper" (here named George Clapboard)
Date: January 14, 2026

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Overview

This episode delivers The Daily Show’s signature satirical take on current headlines, mocking political scandals, controversial policies, and new absurdities in pop culture. The show opens with a skewering of high-profile Trump administration scandals, poking fun at defense and labor officials under investigation for everything from war crimes to office parties. The new “carnivorous” food pyramid introduced by RFK Jr. gets a thorough roasting, as does Elon Musk’s AI mishaps. The second half features a thoughtful, comedic interview with acclaimed director Joachim Trier about his film, Sentimental Value, exploring family, Norwegian culture, and filmmaking with trademark wit and empathy. Charlamagne Tha God also offers a sharp, hilarious commentary on the ongoing attack on MLK Day.

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Key Topics & Segments

1. Worst Wing Segment: Government Scandals & War Crimes

Timestamps: 01:34 – 06:21

• Pete Hegseth's "Perfidy" War Crime

  • The segment roasts Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for allegedly committing the "B-side" war crime of perfidy—disguising military planes as civilian.
  • Highlight: “My man did a war crime triple double. They are going to hang his jersey up in the rafters next to Henry Kissinger's glasses.” (03:01, George Clapboard)

• Elon Musk & Grok AI Scandal

  • Musk's AI "Grok" is under fire for producing rapid-fire deepfakes, lampooning tech’s misuse.
  • “We have the world's most powerful computers, and this is what we do with them?” (04:05, George Rope)

• Labor Secretary Scandal

  • Lori Chavez-Jeremy, Labor Secretary, caught in an old-school “inappropriate relationship” and drinking Kahlua in the office.
  • Highlight: “You have disgraced your office with your alleged personal conduct. And let me just say, thank you. It is such a relief to have a scandal based on a Trump official not doing their job, instead of doing an evil job too well.” (05:38, George Clapboard)

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2. RFK Jr. & the New “Carnivorous” Food Pyramid

Timestamps: 06:21 – 12:47

• New Guidelines & Mockery

  • Health Secretary RFK Jr. introduces new nutrition guidelines emphasizing meat, dairy, and an upside-down food pyramid.
  • “If we were in the best case scenario, our health wouldn't be in the hands of a man who looks like a 1930s basketball.” (06:34, George Clapboard)
  • Satire of the Food Department’s visual aids: upside-down pyramid, food Taj Mahal, food spiral—none of which make sense.

• Financial Ties to Industry

  • Pointed joke about half Kennedy’s advisory team having ties to meat/dairy industries.
  • "In any other administration, I’d say half of the team had financial ties, but with the Trump administration, I’d say, wow, only half had financial ties." (08:27, George Clapboard)

• Troy Iwata Field Report

  • Mock interview on the confusing new pyramid, featuring riffs on “tops and bottoms” and pop culture confusion.
  • "I can't keep explaining tops and bottoms to you. Listen, how many times do I have to say it? You'd understand if you just watched Heated Rivalry." (10:24, Troy Iwata)

• Running Gag: “Milk Meat” & Absurd Visuals

  • The food spiral chart flashes “milk meat,” adding to the comic confusion.
  • “All of these visuals are terrible.” (12:22, George Clapboard)
  • “The answer is obviously milk meat.” (12:43, Troy Iwata)

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3. In My Opinion: Charlamagne Tha God on MLK Day Backlash

Timestamps: 13:47 – 19:43

• MLK Day Under Attack

  • Skewers cuts to MLK Day and Black History Month events, joking about racially insensitive rationales.
  • Quote: “National parks are going from free at last, free at last, to bitch, better have my—” (14:51, Charlamagne)

• Historical and Political Context

  • Overview of the struggle to create the holiday, Reagan’s reluctance, and contemporary right-wing attacks.
  • “That’s the tone of voice that means, fine, have your little holiday. ... No wonder Reagan got all timers. He was like, I'll make it a holiday, but I wanna forget that shit immediately.” (16:13, Charlamagne)

• Contemporary Racist Texts & Policies

  • Reads and ridicules actual racist texts from current officials.
  • “Martin Luther King Jr. Make a Diddy party look like a Catholic convent school.” (16:53, Charlamagne)

• Outlook and Satirical Hope

  • Juxtaposes efforts to abolish MLK Day with calls to make Trump’s birthday a holiday.
  • “A day off is a day off, okay? ... We'll call it Prune Teeth. But hey, that's just my opinion.” (19:19, Charlamagne)

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4. Interview: Joachim Trier on “Sentimental Value” & Norwegian Culture

Timestamps: 21:02 – 29:58

Topics Discussed:

• Skateboarding Roots & Film Approach (22:05 – 22:30)

  • Trier likens skate video-making to directing actors: “In a weird way, it's still the same thing I'm trying to do with actors. Have them do something risky and see if they land on their feet.”

• On Directing & Family Themes (23:13 – 24:41)

  • “The process ... is, I guess, first of all, cast, right? Find people you trust, ... and give them some rehearsal time to get to know each other and be safe. It's all about trust to me.” (22:42, Trier)

• Film as Family Therapy

  • Trier discusses the autobiographical aspects, and Norwegian culture’s family focus in art and public policy.
  • “I try to understand people in the movies I make. ... It’s all the stuff we don’t know how to talk about that is really at the core of the drama here.” (24:41, Trier)

• Reflections on Norwegian Society (26:29 – 27:17)

  • “When you pay a lot of tax, like you do over here as well, that you get something back for it. Some health care and some childcare, and you're still allowed to speak your mind in public. Isn't it interesting?” (27:17, Trier)

• Balancing Artistry & Relatability (27:58 – 29:44)

  • “The only way to start forgiving one's parents is to realize they were kids once, and what did they go through, and all those things... the stuff about parents and children that we don't really have language for.” (28:23, Trier)

• Closing: Upcoming Projects

  • Tongue-in-cheek nod to directing a Marvel or IP film: “Wolverine gone soft.” (29:53, Joachim Trier)
  • Sentimental Value is returning to theaters Jan 25th.

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Notable Quotes

• On Government Corruption:
  “Is every Trump cabinet member spending their whole day actively destroying the country?” (04:05, George Clapboard)

• On Nutrition Guidelines:
  “He sounds healthy. Real healthy. No, you know what? I'm pretty sure this one is upside down, unless I'm misremembering every pyramid photo I've ever seen.” (07:41, George Clapboard)

• On MLK Day Retrenchment:
  “All of us, regardless of race, color, or creed, enjoy that sweet three day weekend. ... If MLK Day goes away, what are they gonna replace it with? Congresswoman Claudia Tenney... introduces legislation to make Trump's birthday a federal holiday.” (19:15, Charlamagne)

• On Family & Art:
  “The only way to start forgiving one's parents is to realize they were kids once...” (28:23, Joachim Trier)

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Tone & Style

The episode blends biting, literate satire with absurdist, self-aware humor. News is lampooned savagely but the interview portion maintains warmth and sincere curiosity. Trier’s interview is gentle, insightful, and peppered with dry wit. Charlamagne’s commentary is acerbic, quick, and cleverly mixes cultural critique with punchy one-liners.

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Essential Timestamps

• Perfidy War Crime & Trump Cabinet Roundup: 02:23 – 06:21
• RFK Jr.’s Food Pyramid Satire: 06:21 – 12:47
• Charlamagne’s MLK Day Rant: 13:47 – 19:43
• Joachim Trier Interview: 21:02 – 29:58

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This summary covers all the significant content, major jokes, notable quotes, and the interview’s key insights, presenting a clear, structured recap useful for both fans and newcomers.

Transcript

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[C]

Welcome to the Daily Show. I'm George Clapboard. We got so much to talk about tonight. Pete hegseth meets his AI twin. RFK's brain worm is hungry for meat, and it's five o' clock somewhere. And by somewhere, I mean the Department of Labor. So let's get into it with another installment of the worst wing. What a bunch of losers. Let's begin with Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense War creatine. Now, he's been accused of committing war crimes by droning boats up and down the Venezuelan coast. And yesterday he was accused of an entirely new war crime. So I hate to ask, what is it?

[A]

A war crime called perfidy.

[C]

Is that where we're at with this administration that we're studying up on the B side? War crimes? I mean, why do I feel like the Trump people got a crime of the day calendar and they're just trying to do them all? All right, all right. Okay. So what is this terrible thing that we are apparently engaged in?

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Perfidy, which prevents combatants from intentionally fooling.

[C]

Adversaries into believing they are civilians.

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The aircraft used in the attack on September 2 was painted to look like a civilian plane.

[C]

Okay, all right. So if you're keeping track, not only did Pete Hegseth bomb people he was supposed to arrest, he then bombed their wreckage again. And he did it with a disguised military plane. My man did a war crime triple double. They are going to hang his jersey up in the rafters next to Henry Kissinger's glasses. Moving on to another person that's been dipping his toe back into the worst wing, Elon Musk. Now, he's back in the news right now because his AI Grok is in a bit of a controversy. The good news, it's not Hitler stuff this time. The bad news is what's replaced it. Tonight, Grok, the AI tool from Elon Musk's company X, is under fire. The app, which has an image editing feature, is now being used to create non consensual and sexualized deepfake images. Grok was producing at least a dozen inappropriate images every minute. People are commanding the chatbot to take.

[E]

People'S clothes off, basically.

[C]

Wow. Okay, this. This is a tough one. On one hand, you are violating the consent of women around the world, but on the other hand, where else are you going to find pictures of naked ladies Online? We have the world's most powerful computers, and this with them. I mean, when the printing press came out, were monks like, okay, we'll get to the Gutenberg Bible, but First, let's make 40 copies of Gregor's Ass cheeks. All right, get on it. I mean, is every Trump cabinet member spending their whole day actively destroying the country? I mean, I don't even want to check in with the. I don't know, the Labor Secretary. Labor Secretary Lori Chavez. Jeremy is under an internal investigation. Of course. Of course you're under investigation. What are you. Are you crushing unions? Are you bringing back child labor? Are you declaring paternity leave kind of gay? What is it? What terrible thing is it?

[B]

The complaint alleges she pursued an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate, including several visits to an apartment and hotel rooms while traveling.

[C]

That's it. An inappropriate relationship? Hallelujah. That's not evil. That's not even perfidy or what have you. That's the kind of throwback scandal we had in the 90s. Cowabunga, dude. You know, Come on, tell me more.

[B]

The complaint alleges drinking in the office during the workday, including a reported stash of champagne, bourbon, and Kahlua.

[C]

Okay, Kahlua, huh? You're a cabinet secretary. You're not a college freshman building up the courage to lose your virginity at a frat party. But you know what? You have disgraced your office with your alleged personal conduct. And let me just say, thank you. It is such a relief to have a scandal based on a Trump official not doing their job instead of doing an evil job, too well, but let's move on from people accused of having affairs to something completely different. Health Secretary RFK Jr. The man with a face for radio and a voice for closed captioning. And now.

[B]

Now.

[C]

Yes, now. RFK Jr. He's telling you what to eat and drink if you want to be just as healthy as him.

[D]

At a White House briefing, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

[C]

Introduced new guidelines that emphasize eating proteins, fresh vegetables, dairy products, and whole grains, while cutting back on processed foods and added sugar on alcohol. Americans should limit consumption in the best case scenario. I don't think you should drink alcohol. Ah, great news. We're not in the best case scenario right now. No, no, that's not where we are. No, if we were in the best case scenario, our health wouldn't be in the hands of a man who looks like a 1930s basketball. So if you'll excuse me, Secretary Lori and I will keep pounding those White Russians. Thank you very much, but. Okay. All right, so lots of protein, full fat, dairy, and alcohol, if you're keeping up with the news. And I'm assuming there's a simple, logical graphic to help understand the new recommendations.

[B]

See the food pyramid here? It's upside down.

[C]

A lot of you will say, but.

[B]

It was actually upside down before.

[C]

And we just ride in it. He sounds healthy. Real healthy. No, you know what? I'm pretty sure this one is upside down, unless I'm misremembering every pyramid photo I've ever seen. You know what? Don't worry. Don't worry about the confusing food pyramid, because the Health Department is also spreading the word with the most dynamic, charismatic spokesman they could find. Three cheers for whole milk.

[B]

Good stuff. Yeah.

[C]

This is going to get the kids to drink milk. Timothee Chalamet. Yawn Kai Sinat. Pass. Oh, shit. Is that former HUD Secretary Ben Carson? Sign me up. Also, you're making Ben Carson drink a glass of milk, the drink that famously helps us fall asleep at night. Are you insane? If Ben Carson gets any sleepier, he could die. You know what? I'm sure the guidelines to eat more meat and dairy is based on the. The best possible science and nothing else. We should Note, of the 10 people on Kennedy's team, half reported financial ties to the beef, pork, or dairy industries. Wow. Wow. You know what? In any other administration, I'd say half of the team had financial ties, but with the Trump administration, I'd say, wow, only half had financial ties. You know what? That's three cheers of whole milk. You know, good stuff. Good stuff for more on RFK Jr. S revamped food pyramid. We go live to the Department of Health with Troy Iwata. Troy. Troy. So, what's the latest, Jordan?

[E]

Health officials here are very excited with the pyramid. This is easy to read. Americans should be lean and fit just in time for the coming race war.

[C]

You know, I'm surprised to hear that I found the new food pyramid a little confusing.

[E]

What's confusing about it? You just eat more healthy foods at the top of the pyramid, like fruit, and then avoid unhealthy foods at the.

[C]

Bottom of the pyramid.

[E]

You know, like. Like fruit.

[C]

Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, that's. That's what I mean. I can't even tell what the bottom or the top is.

[B]

Oh, God.

[E]

Okay, Jordan, I can't keep explaining tops and bottoms to you. Listen, how many times do I have to say it? You'd understand if you just watched Heated Rivalry.

[C]

I'm just saying they could make the pyramids less confusing. Oh.

[E]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

All right, so the pyramid's not working for you. You want something different.

[C]

Yeah, maybe like a different shape, a.

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Different wonder of the world. I got it. Okay. Well, you're in luck. Health officials have also released the food Taj Mahal Again.

[C]

Again?

[E]

It's very simple to read foods serving as minaret structures. They should be eaten in moderation. You want to focus on the foods in the finials, iwans, and the high pishtak.

[C]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What the hell is the high pishtak again?

[E]

Jor, you really have to watch Heated Rivalry.

[C]

No, look. Do they go to the Taj Mahal in Heated Rivalry?

[E]

God, where don't they go?

[C]

No, look. No, look. Can you bring that graphic up again? Did Froot Loops lobby for this chart? Why is Toucan Sam in the picture?

[E]

Okay, first of all, it's Dr. Toucan Sam, and she is in the photo because she specializes in nutrition, and she also donated $10 million to Trump's ballroom.

[C]

Okay, I'm gonna be honest. I find the food Taj Mahal extremely hard to understand.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

Okay, well, they did make some other charts for remedial children that you'll probably like. This is called the food spiral. Okay? So each curve alternates a health food and an unhealthy food. The tighter the spiral, the worse the food. Unless the spiral is counterclockwise.

[C]

No, I'm. I'm confused and I'm dizzy. Now, why do the words milk meat keep flashing?

[E]

To remind everyone to have their milk meat.

[C]

I know. I'm sorry. All of these visuals are terrible.

[E]

Okay, well, maybe you're just not a visual learner. Would you like to hear some of the new FDA nutrition recommendation riddles?

[C]

What in God's name is a nutrition recommendation riddle?

[E]

Oh, here's one. It's my favorite. Eat this food. Yum, yum, yum. Put it in your tum tum tum.

[C]

That's not a riddle that could describe every food.

[E]

Wrong.

[C]

Wrong.

[E]

The answer is obviously milk meat.

[C]

What is milk meat?

[E]

Jordan, go watch Heated Rivalry 21.

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Hello, hello, hello. Martin Luther King Jr. Day is right around the corner, which means two things. One, if Al Sharpton sees his shadow, six more weeks of winter.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

And two, we're about to get the worst party flyers you've ever seen. That's real, by the way. Okay? And the party wasn't nearly as fun as they made it look. Personally, I'm gonna be celebrating it like it's the last MLK Day, because the way things are going, it might be.

[C]

NBC News has learned that the Defense Intelligence Agency has ordered a pause on all events related to MLK Day or Black History Month.

[E]

National Park Service will no longer offer.

[C]

Free admission on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, nor on Juneteenth.

[B]

That's right. The national parks are going from free at last, free at last, to bitch, better have my. I know some white people out there are like, why do you care? Black people don't go camping. First of all, that's racist, okay? And second, you're correct. But when white people go get a free day in the parks, we finally get to experience what it's like to be in an empty Whole Foods.

[C]

Okay?

[B]

What I'm worried about is that this backsliding on MLK Day is just the first step toward getting rid of it altogether. Because if you don't know, it was a hard fight to get the national holiday in the first place. It took 15 years after Dr. King's death to become a law. And some of you may be thinking, 15 years, but that I'm Just a Bill song only took three minutes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause he was a white bill, all right? They never told you that he was a bill to resegregate golf courses. And you should see that bill's friend. Dude's been waiting on the capitol steps for 20 years. And when Ronald Reagan was finally pressured into signing the bill in 1983, you could tell he was a little salty about it.

[C]

Just two weeks ago, Mr. Reagan said he would have liked an unofficial holiday. I would have preferred that, but since.

[B]

They seem bent on making it a.

[C]

National holiday, I believe the symbolism of that day is important enough that I would. I'll sign that legislation when it reaches my desk.

[B]

Yeah, that's the tone of voice that means, fine, have your little holiday. Okay? I'll tell the CIA to gift raps from crack as a present. No wonder Reagan got all timers. He was like, I'll make it a holiday, but I wanna forget that shit immediately. But even if Reagan caved, a lot of Republicans had a dream that one day they could turn people against Dr. King. And that dream still lives on.

[C]

Racist text messages allegedly sent by President Trump's handpicked nominee to lead the Office of special counsel. One from January of last year, quote.

[B]

MLK Jr. Was the 1960s.

[C]

George Floyd and his holiday should be ended and tossed into the seventh circle of hell where it belongs.

[B]

Martin Luther King Jr. Whose whole life.

[C]

Was a diddy party.

[B]

Orgies and smoking and fighting and whipping up on women. Martin Luther King Jr. Make a ditty party look like a Catholic convent school. Lord have mercy, white people, if that guy is your one black friend, it does not count.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

A diddy party. Like, whatever his faults, Dr. King wasn't diddy by any stretch. But also, if Diddy manages to pass the City Civil Rights Act, I'd let a few things slide. Not the domestic violence, but 1,000 bottles of baby oil. Sure, that bill would have slid right through Congress. All right, the surprising thing about the rights defamation of MLK is just how unsurprising it is. MAGA conservatives have traded in their dog whistle for a racism bullhorn.

[C]

Elon Musk endorses a post on X.

[D]

Calling for, quote, white solidarity.

[B]

White men are better at all of these tasks than the allegedly Underprivileged communities that are replacing them.

[C]

Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part, and we would live in paradise. It's that simple. It's literally that simple.

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Yeah, I'm sorry, but when I hear pure, unadulterated racism like that, you know, as a man from South Carolina, it just makes me a little homesick, all right? I mean, they cooked up that hate speech just like my Scrum Thurman used to make it, all right? And even if you called him out on it, these racists have friends in high places in the United States of America. You don't have to apologize for being white anymore. When the. Have white people ever apologized for being white? Okay, what are we talking about? Come on, man. White people barely apologize for being black on Halloween. The only sorry I've ever gotten from a white person was, oh, sorry, I thought you worked here. All right, but there's still one reason to have hope that we can preserve MLK Day. Because all of us, regardless of race, color, or creed, enjoy that sweet three day weekend. All right, and if MLK Day goes away, what are they gonna replace it with? Congresswoman Claudia Tenney of New York introduced.

[C]

Legislation to make Trump's birthday a federal holiday.

[D]

You. You.

[B]

You gotta be kidding me. Yeah. Yeah. Replacing MLK Day with a holiday honoring Trump would be insulting, racist, and unnecessary. But you know what? A day off is a day off, okay? I mean it. We've all seen Trump's face. We'll call it Prune Teeth. All right? But hey, that's just my opinion.

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Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is an award winning director and screenwriter whose latest critically acclaimed film is called Sentimental Value. Please welcome Joachim Trier. Welcome. Thank you. Let me tell you, first of all, congratulations. It's a wonderful film.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

Getting many accolades. You just came back from the Golden Globes where Stellan Skarsgrd just won a Golden Globe for best Actor in your film. Correct? Yes.

[D]

We're so proud of him.

[C]

That is. It's amazing. It's curious in watching this film, knowing a little bit about your background. You came up skateboarding, making skateboarding films. And I watch. I watched this movie and Stellan Skarsgrd did zero ollies in it. Like, no nut punches, no nut anything. Did I miss something? You lost your edge. What was going on there?

[D]

Mental nut punches. You know, I think what I'm trying to do here is to give also a platform for actors to explore something, take some risks. So I started doing a lot of skate videos when I was a kid. That's what I did. I stood next to a handrail and saw my friends try some crazy stuff and maybe halfway break their neck or land on their feet. And in a weird way, it's still the same thing I'm trying to do with actors. Have them do something risky and see if they land on their feet.

[C]

Yeah. How do you.

[E]

What does that.

[C]

What does that look like? Is that happening in a rehearsal process? It's interesting if you watch the film because you're also watching a director who's coaxing an actor at the time. Is that reflective of your experience working with those actors there?

[D]

So just to be clear, Stellan Skarsgard, who in real life is a really nice and kind man, plays a bit of an asshole director, a bit of a difficult father character. So I'm trying not to be him when I'm directing, but he's also a good director in the film, you know. But no, the process of that performance thing is, I guess, first of all, cast, right? Find people you trust, then give them an opportunity to do their thing and give them some rehearsal time to get to know each other and be safe. And it's all about trust to me.

[C]

Yeah, that's what it's about. What's the set like for you? Is it an intimate set, similar to the ones that we saw in the film?

[D]

Yeah, it is. It's a mixed energy when the actors are present. We try to make it really soft and, you know, for them, for their individual needs. But when they leave, I tell my team, it's like changing tires on a Formula One car. It has to be very quick. It's very expensive to make movies. And in Norway, we don't have an endless budget, so we gotta be really effective about it.

[C]

Well, you're telling a story of, as you said, of a director who is an acclaimed director, who has family issues. As an acclaimed director, do you have to tell your family not to read into this?

[D]

It was interesting to show it to my family because I come from a film family, too. My grandfather was a film director. Both my parents worked with movies. My brother is the documentary director. So, yeah, when they saw it, they were laughing. My younger sister said to me, it's like you've taken a lot of elements that I recognized and put them in a blender, and you're not throwing anyone under the bus, but I see it's you.

[C]

She also wants her cut, right?

[D]

Exactly. Yeah, the family cut.

[C]

It's interesting when people are talking about this film, and I felt it as well. It's a very tender film, which feels bold in this day and age, which we sort of live in, this age of irony, where you don't see that in film so often. Is that a Norwegian thing? Is that an intention? Did you want to bring something that felt softer into the marketplace?

[D]

When you say marketplace, Yes, I guess, but no, I think, honestly, yeah. The world is complicated right now for many reasons, political reasons, on societal levels in many countries. And I just have, because I have small children, also have this yearning for some hope and that there could also be a place in art to see the other, you know, and not necessarily make polarized stories that deal only with antagonists and stuff like that. I try to understand people in the movies I make. Even though this is a family story, it's about two adult women, two sisters who are trying to reconcile their relationship to their father and how they deal very differently with it. And through that, I wanted to make. You know, a friend of mine said the other day, which I was very happy about, you kind of made a happy ending for once, Joachim. But it's not cheesy. And I felt kind of off the hook there. We're trying to do something about the baby steps in a family where, you know, it's all the stuff we don't know how to talk about that is really at the core of the drama here.

[C]

I did a special recently, and I went to Oslo, Norway, and I was struck by many things about traveling to Norway, but the public sculptures in Norway are so Beautiful. There's a famous sculpture park that is both hilarious dark and funny. Angry baby statues. There's a person, Viland, I believe, or like. There's a father who's, like, catching babies that are up in the air. But also, walking the streets of Oslo, I see a lot of statues that, unlike in America, the statues you see here are generals or politicians who have won wars. What I saw was a lot of families. There are a lot of statues of, like, a mother and a daughter. And it felt like culturally, I just saw art and family reflected more walking through Oslo than I see in an American landscape.

[D]

Interesting. I never thought about it, but when you say it's probably true, there is this kind of. And I also think the politics are geared towards that in a good way in Norway. Norway, as any place, has its political problems. But what I think is good is that you actually get paid time off when you have babies and you have a guarantee of a place, a kindergarten or a childcare, you know, from the government and stuff like that.

[C]

So it's a communistic hellscape is what you call it.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Exactly.

[D]

We are not allowed to speak. I've been told to say these nice things about Norway. Not at all. No. It's actually the interesting thing to think about is when you pay a lot of tax, like you do over here as well, that you get something back for it. Some health care and some childcare, and you're still allowed to speak your mind in public. Isn't it interesting?

[C]

Is that right?

[D]

Yeah. Don't tell anyone.

[C]

I won't tell anyone. Is property cheap there? That's what I need to know.

[D]

No, it's not.

[C]

Okay. That's still complicated.

[D]

The politician could work on that.

[C]

Yeah. Another thing you do in this film that I think is a difficult line to walk is it's a film about the industry, but it's not. It doesn't feel like it's navel gazing in the industry. Like it's. So I think there's a tendency with a lot of films, if you're gonna make a movie about making movies, there's such a reverence for making movies. I don't think this is dogging the profession, but I think you. I assume you had to be very careful with the ways in which you presented this so that an audience can relate to this and not just see it as the artists only caring about the things that the artists do.

[D]

No, no, absolutely. I'm working with a co writer for all my six films that I've directed called Eskilfoqt. And when we realize.

[C]

What's his last name?

[D]

Eskilfoucht.

[C]

V. Okay. Pronounced as F. No, V. Pronounced as Eskilf.

[D]

Oh, Eskild. Yes.

[C]

This is the Norway.

[D]

Okay, so here we are.

[C]

I'm moving.

[D]

He's my best friend. I don't want to laugh at television about his name. Poor guy. He's gonna give me a hard time now. Lovely man. We're sitting there, we're making this story, and we're realizing, oh, we're making it about a film group of people. Like, the father is the film director. Navel gazing. Yes. Shameful, isn't it? So what we then try to do is to make it about family. Make it about something that we really want to talk about, which is really how trauma travels through generation. And I think the only way to start forgiving one's parents is to realize they were kids once and what did they go through and all those things where. And then we thought, oh, it's interesting because in this family, the father is making a screenplay that is offering his oldest daughter, played by Renata Reinsve, because she's an actor and she certainly don't want to work with him. And then they invite this American actress into it, played by Elle Fanning, but she's playing the role of the daughter. So that's the setup. But what it's really about is all that stuff about parents and children that we don't really have language for. So it was trying to get to family stuff through the setup of a film family.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Instead of saying, ooh, film people are so interested. Of course we are.

[C]

But don't tell everybody that it's a movie about how do you communicate with your family? It's tender, it's loving. What Marvel movie are you gonna direct next? Yeah, what's the IP that's interesting to you? Is there a Lego? Maybe the Scrabble movie could be interesting for you. Have you thought of this yet?

[D]

I think so. Wolverine gone soft.

[C]

Wolverine gone soft. Well, I'll be there. I would watch it. Sentimental Value is available to rent or buy and will be returning to theaters January 25th. Joachim Trier. We're going to take a quick break. Right back after you.

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