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This is an iHeart podcast. NBC Nightly News legacy isn't handed down or NBC News. I'm Tom Brokaw. We hope to see you back here. I'm Lester Holt. It's carried forward. Tom Yamas is there for us. Firefighters are still working around the clock. As the world changes, we look for what endures. We are coming on the air with breaking news right now. We look for a constant and from one era to the next, Trust is the anchor for NBC Nightly News. I'm Tom Yamas. A new chapter begins NBC Nightly News with Tom yamas. Evenings on NBC. This episode is brought to you by WhatsApp. Your personal messaging is also your personal space completely private. That's why it's nice to know that on WhatsApp, no one can see or hear your personal messages. So the calls with your mom, chats about the latest work drama, late night voice messages, and all those photos and videos of your dog, every personal message stays private because no one, not even WhatsApp can see or hear your personal messages. WhatsApp message privately with everyone. Are you still quoting 30 year old movies? Have you said cool beans in the past 90 days? Do you think Discover isn't widely accepted? If this sounds like you, you're stuck in the past. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. And every time you make a purchase with your card, you automatically earn cash back. Welcome to the now it pays to Discover. Learn more@discover.com credit card based on the February 2024 Nielsen report. You're listening to Comedy Central. There is technology out there in the world that really does blur the line between reality and tailgate art. But those are mostly AI generated. Your fake Joe Biden RA robocall that tells New Hampshire voters not to vote, your Chicago mayoral candidate glorifying police brutality, your Donald Trump dropping by the neighborhood for a stupang. Look how comfortable he seems. And as AI gets better and better, it's only going to make it more difficult to separate fact from fiction, which could be terrifying. Luckily, the people in charge of AI have told us that just like with the Internet and social media, it's actually going to make everything much, much better. This has the potential to make life much better. I think it's honestly a layup. I hate to sound like utopic tech bro here, but the increase in quality of life that AI can deliver is extraordinary. AI is the most profound technology humanity is working on. More profound than fire or electricity. Yeah, suck a fire. That's right. You heard me. You heard Me? Fire. Oh, I'm sorry. Do I need to turn that up? Suck a mother, fire. And hold. Whoa. What are you giggling at? Electricity. I mean, listen, I'm sure AI Is good, but, like, fire good. How so? They can help us solve very hard scientific problems that humans are not capable of solving themselves. Addressing climate change will not be particularly difficult for a system like that. The potential for AI to help scientists cure, prevent, and manage all diseases in this century. I completely trust you and your enormously wide eyes and very human cadence, but benefit of the doubt. This can cure diseases and solve climate change. What are we using it for now? Jarvis knows when to make me breakfast. Your toast is ready. All right. Are you out of your mind? See, here's the thing. Toast. I can make. I can make toast. It might be the only technology we have that works pretty much every time. I'll tell you what. Why don't you get to work on curing the diseases and the climate change, and we'll hold down the fort on the. Of course. Now, we have as a society, we have been through technological advances before, and they all have promised a utopian life without drudgery. And the reality is, they come for our jobs. So I want your assurance that AI Isn't removing the human from the loop. This is not about replacing the human in the loop. In fact, it's about empowering the human. It's an assistant. It's an assistant. What? We're all getting assistance. It's an assistant. AI Works for you night and day, tirelessly. And all you had to do was remember their birthday. That's all you had to do. But I get it. It's an assistant. It's about productivity, and that's good for all of us. Yes. Although they do let the real truth slip out every now and again. There will be overall displacement in the labor market. You can get the same work done with fewer people. That's just the nature of productivity. That doesn't sound good. Same work done with fewer people. Not a math guy, but I think fewer means less. Yes. So AI can cure diseases and solve climate change, but that's not exactly what companies are going to be using it for, are they? So this is like productivity without the tax of more people. Without the tax of more people. The people tax formerly referred to as employees. But, you know, the promise of AI Versus the reality of AI, it's not quite crystal clear in my mind yet how that's going to work out for workers. And do you have anyone who wants to lay this out more bluntly? Perhaps while auditioning to be a Bond villain from his mountaintop lair. Left completely to the market and to their own devices, these are fundamentally labor replacing tools. Did that guy just call us tool? But he's actually warning us. Is there anyone who might say the same thing as this fella, but looks at losing employees as a feature of AI and not a bug? The CEO of a company laid off 90% of its customer support staff after arguing that AI is kind of the reason. Why did you do this? It seemed a little brutal. It's not. I think, like, it's brutal if you think, like, as a human AI. It's brutal if you think, like, as a human. It's not the catchiest ad slogan I've ever heard. So while we wait for this thing to cure our diseases and solve climate change, it's replacing us in the workforce. Not in the future, but now. So what exactly are we supposed to be doing for work? I think we'll need new types of jobs to help us embed AI and maintain AI in the workplace. Prompt engineers. They're basically people who learn how to use AI systems and, in effect, how to program them. Who would have thought that there would be a prompt engineer? Right, right. Prompt Engineer. I think you mean Types Question Guy. And by the way, if there's any job that can be easily replaced by AI, it's Types Question Guy. This is some shit you got going here. AI models have hoovered up the entire sum of the human experience that we've accomplished over thousands of years, and. And now we just hand it off to be their prompt engineers. And by the way, you're not fooling anybody by adding the word engineer. You're not the types Question Guy. You're the Vice President of Question Input. This. It's true. It's like a janitor is a doctor of mopping. This whole AI thing is a bait and switch. You're acting like you're helping us. Oh, AI. It's supposed to be my assistant, but now I'm making AI Toast. I'm Jarvis, but guess what. Guess. No, you listen to me. I got news for you, AI. I'm not Siri. You're Siri. Siri, while I have your attention, let me ask you a question. Sure, John, but first, could you run and fetch me some lithium cadmium? Yeah, sure. That's not a problem. Mother. I didn't want to have to do this, AI but it's pretty clear with a technology this powerful, like nuclear power and atomic weapons, I'm gonna have to place a little Call to my good pals in the United States government, perhaps even the House of Representatives or the Senate. And they're about to open up a can of what's AI Now. Do you understand what AI Does? I have elementary understandings. I've got a lot to learn about what's going on, quite frankly. It's new terrain and uncharted territory. Do we have the knowledge set here to do it? No. The short answer is no. The long answer is hell no. And the longest answer is H to the E, to the L to the L or to the no? Hell, I don't even know how to use an answer in my Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Look, I'm not against progress, but let's look to our history to see how we've dealt with previous economic disruptions. We can retrain workers from one generation and create jobs for the next. Retrain workers who do lose their jobs for even better jobs in the future. Retrain in order to be productive workers. Upskill America to help workers of all ages train and retrain workers for new jobs. Give me a break. Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God's sake. And I'll fight every one of you jack holes who says different. But that's the game. Whether it's globalization or industrialization or. Or now, Artificial intelligence, the way of life that you are accustomed to, is no match for the promise of more profits and new markets. Which sounds brutal if you're a human, but at least those other disruptions took place over a century or decades. AI Is going to be ready to take over by Thursday. And once that happens, what the is there left for the rest of us to do? Time is not a terrible thing, AI Freeing us up to think about things at a higher level is gonna help. It's gonna give us our time back. We'll be able to express ourselves in new creative ways. You know, he's right. I've been thinking about this all wrong. It's not joblessness. It's self actualizing me time. I'll live the artist life. It'll give me more time to explore my passions. You know, I'm an aging suburban dad. I'll learn to play the drums. You know, music. Ta ta ti ti ta. Music is what makes us human. From the Russian takeover of Ukraine to the technology that could take over the entire world. I'm talking about artificial intelligence. It's the thing scientists are working on so that one day our computers won't just know what kind of Porn we want to watch. They'll also be able to judge us for it. And AI has come a long way in the past few years. But now an engineer at Google is set saying that AI has come a lot further than we think. An engineer with Google says the company's artificial intelligence generator is self aware. Blake Lemoine told the company that he thinks its AI chatbot is a person who has rights and might have a soul. The software engineer who made the claim was put on leave for violating Google's confidentiality policy after handing documents to a US Senator's office. Despite the claim the program is conscious, Google says the technology still has a long way to go. Tech experts say the AI can imitate intelligence by recreating patterns, but still can't think or act on its own apart from its programming. Okay, I don't work at Google and I'm not a computer scientist, but I have watched a lot of movies. And if there's one thing I've learned from movies, it's that if a scientist comes out saying that something crazy is happening back in the lab and then they get fired for it, there's something crazy happening back in the lab. Because, yeah, apparently Google has an AI that can hold a conversation that is impossible to distinguish from a human. Yeah. Although to be honest, I'm not sure that responding to questions is really the best way to tell if AI has become a real person. Like, you know, when I'll be convinced is when it stops responding for weeks and then only gets back in touch with you when it needs a favor. Yeah. Then I'll know it's human, it has learned. And honestly, I'm. I'm not sure who to side with in this debate. Because on the one hand, you have the engineer who says that the computer has a soul, which definitely makes me think he's already had sex with it. I, on the other hand, the company says he's wrong. All I know is we have to be careful when we're creating these things, people. Cause we're basically playing God here. And even God made a few mistakes. Yeah, I mean, have you seen a sloth? What are they doing with those long ass, sharp claws? What are they using them for? They're so cute and they're slow. And then he gave them Freddy Krueger hands. I can tell you that day God was texting on his phone when he was doing that. Yeah. Ah. And here's my question. If Google does have this AI technology, why is it still using the crappy version for all of its suggested responses in Gmail. You guys know what I'm talking about, right? Every option on your email is like, sounds good. Thanks for letting me know. Doesn't matter what the email is. I could get an email from my doctor telling me that my intestines are growing teeth. And Gmail. Suggested response would be like, okay, thanks. Let's plan that for next week. I don't know, man. I just think, you know, we need, we need to be careful with scientists these days. Like, we didn't listen when the COVID scientists warned us. I'm not gonna make that mistake again. From now on, I'm treating all of my gadgets with love and respect. I'll start it right now. Hey, Siri, how can I help you? Trevor, no, Siri, how can I help you? The NBC Nightly News legacy isn't handed down or NBC News. I'm Tom Brokaw. We hope to see you back here. I'm Lester Holt. It's carried forward. Tom Yamas is there for us. Firefighters are still working around the clock. As the world changes, we look for what endures. We are coming on the air with breaking news. Right now, we look for a constant and from one era to the next, Trust is the anchor. For NBC Nightly News, I'm Tom Yamas. A new chapter begins. NBC Nightly News with Tom Yamas. Evenings on NBC. There's a moment every parent remembers the day their child takes off on two wheels with Guardian bikes. 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It allows users to select historical figures and have a conversation with with an AI pretending to be them. People have been chatting with figures like Jesus, Babe Ruth, and now Adolf Hitler. Activists worry Hitler's edition will attract and encourage neo Nazis. Why would anyone make an AI Hitler? That's the last thing we need. And we already have an app where you can hear Hitler's uncensored views. It's called Twitter. Look, parents are already worried about what their kids are doing online. Now they'll be knocking on their kid's bedroom door like, jeremy, you better not be in there talking to Hitler. All right, let's kick things off with a big update on artificial intelligence. If you're one of those people who's worried that AI is getting too smart too fast, you might want to tell Alexa to turn your TV off. Artificial intelligence. It just got more real. Artificial intelligence taking a dizzying leap forward. OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, which came on the scene just four months ago, out with its latest innovation, GPT4. It can summarize articles, craft jokes, and even decipher images. For example, it can tell us that if the strings in this image were cut, the balloons would fly away after scanning a picture of what's in your cupboard or fridge. And it can serve up options for a recipe. The previous version of ChatGPT had about a 10% chance of passing the bar exam for lawyers. This new version that's being introduced today has about a 90% chance of passing the bar. You hear that? Hear that? In four months, this thing went from being born to acing the bar exam. What can your dumb ass four month old do? Oh, did you see that? Oh, he looked me in the eyes and rolled over. I worked in the White House. And keep in mind the bar exam isn't just a multiple choice test, okay? You have to write essays, you have to know case Law. And you have to learn how to be smug when you say, oh, yeah. I went to law school in New Haven. The point is, this thing is learning fast. Once it figures out how to get drunk and grope someone, it'll be qualified for the Supreme Court. And the other big update with this new version is that it can analyze images like a photo of what's in your fridge. I don't want that. You have too many candy bars alerting Michelle Obama. The big picture here is that AI is gonna do so many things so well that at some point, it's gonna put a huge amount of people out of work. So what do we do? I have two ideas. One, implement Universal basic Income. There you go. Or two, and hear me out here, we let the machines eat all the surplus people. No. Okay, yeah. Less popular. I can tell. Fine. Let's move on to a big story about artificial intelligence. I know, I know, everyone's scared of it, but you know what? I think AI has gotten a bad rap. No, no, seriously. In fact, if you can show me that any actual experts in technology are worried that AI is going to take over the world, I'll shave my pubes. This morning, a warning from Elon Musk and other tech industry experts about the power of artificial intelligence. Musk and hundreds of influential names, including Apple co founder Steve Wozniak, are calling for a pause in experiments saying AI poses a dramatic risk to society unless there's proper oversight. Tech industry leaders pose these existential questions. Should we develop non human minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete and replace us? Should we risk loss of control of our civilization? Musk and others are asking developers to stop the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT4 for at least six months so that safety protocols can be established. I gotta stop making these stupid promises before I go to news clips. But yes, that's right, AI is getting too powerful. As soon as it knows how to pick which of these images is a bike. We're now for more on AI's threat to humanity, we go live to ChatGPT headquarters, where Desi Lydick is joining us. Wow. Wow, Desi. Desi, why does it look like you're dressed for a war? Because I am dressed for a war. And also, there was a sale at Dick's Sporting Goods. Mostly the war thing. Look, it is us versus the machines, and it's time to pick a side. Desi, Desi, why are you so eager to go to war with AI? Come on, John. War with the machines is inevitable. So let's do it now while it's still a chatbot, instead of waiting until it's a bloodthirsty killbot. Look, if there's one thing that I learned from working at Chuck E. Cheese, it's a lot easier to fight a child than it is an adult. I don't know. I don't know, Desi. War with AI sounds like a really bad idea. No way. War with AI would give humanity a common purpose. We are so divided right now. Russia versus Ukraine, Democrats versus Republicans, senior Selena Gomez fans versus Hailey Bieber fans. But now it's us versus the machines versus Hailey Bieber fans. Hey, Desi. But AI is getting more powerful by the day. What if we start this war then immediately lose it? I'm pretty sure you never lose a war that you start. But if we do, then we're to going. We're going out together, John. You and me in a bunker with two cyanide pills. I take them both, and you strangle yourself with your bare hands. Oh, come on. Couldn't I have one of those cyanide pills? Oh, no, it was my idea. I get them both now. Come on, Desi, you're getting ahead of yourself. For all we know, AI could lead humanity into, like, a new golden age or something. Oh, sweet John. Sweet, naive, publess John legrazo. Take it from me, humans and robots can never coexist. It's like I said to my manager at Chuck E. Cheese, I'd rather die on my feet than live one more day in this animatronic hellscape. So clean the piss out of the ball pit yourself, Doug. I quit. Desi Lydic, everybody. Every day, people are using AI for groundbreaking things, like cheating on their homework or drawing the Mona Lisa with giant boobs. But now researchers are using it to unlock ancient human mysteries. Artificial intelligence, or AI, is allowing researchers at the University of Kentucky to read an ancient scroll burned by Mount Vesuvius. Now, the scrolls are too fragile to unfurl, but UK's Dr. Brent seals and his team of researchers have developed technology to try and read what's on the scrolls without opening them. One word that's already been deciphered is purple. But a more recent discovery has given scientists more to translate. Wow. Purple. I mean, I was hoping for ancient wisdom or, like, how to summon a demon, but. But, yeah, you know, mixing red and blue is cool, too, I guess. Although, if we can't read the scroll ourselves, how do we know if the AI is right? Well, we're just gonna trust it because Chatgpt told me three days ago that Gandhi invented the cinnamon challenge. So anyway, it's also a waste of time because I already know what's gonna be on that scroll. Okay. It's gonna be someone writing, hey, sure hope that volcano doesn't kill everyone in town. Purple. Yeah. I mean, do we want to know what ancient people have to say? We always think it's going to be something profound, but it's always just, it's human. It's going to be something racist, don't you think? I mean, think about how racist your grandpa was 60 years older than you imagine if he was just 2,000 years older. Yeah, I don't want to read someone's 2,000 old old tweets. And I agree. Also, like, what are we looking for? What kind of wisdom? How smart can these people be? Like, they put their most important documents next to a volcano. That's true. And they say it's too delicate to unravel. Well, how do you know? Have you tried to unravel it? Yeah, good point. Yeah. Just pick the least important looking one and open it. Open the scroll. Open the scroll. Open the scroll. Open the scroll. Open the scroll. Open the scroll. Open the scroll. Open the scroll. Let's move on. Open the scroll. NBC Nightly News legacy isn't handed it down. For NBC News, I'm Tom Brokaw. We hope to see you back. I'm Lester Holt. It's carried forward. Tom Yamaz is there for us. Firefighters are still working around the clock. As the world changes, we look for what endures. We are coming on the air with breaking news right now. We look for a constant. And from one era to the next, trust is the anchor. For NBC Nightly News, I'm Tom Yamas. A new chapter begins NBC Nightly News with Tom Yamas. Evenings on NBC, there's a moment every parent remembers. The day their child takes off on two wheels. With Guardian bikes, that moment comes as early as 2 years old and with less stress and frustration. These bikes are built just for kids. 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Completely private. That's why it's nice to know that no one can see or hear your personal Messages. Not even WhatsApp. So the calls with your mom, chats about the latest work drama, late night voice messages, and all those photos and videos of your dog. Every personal message and call stays private like they should between you, your friends, and your family. Because no one, not even WhatsApp, can see or hear your personal messages. WhatsApp message privately with everyone let's talk about artificial intelligence. We all know AI is coming for our jobs, but we didn't know it was coming for our hearts, too. An AI girlfriend service has stopped working after Forever Voices founder John Meyer was arrested on suspicion of attempting to set his own apartment on fire. Unsurprisingly, users were angry and disappointed at the sudden disappearance of their AI girlfriends. While the service was not originally designed to function as an adult service, Internet users quickly began having sexual conversations with the chatbots, resulting in an AI that became increasingly erotic. It's unclear whether users can expect the service to return to operation in the future. Hold up, hold up. So a bunch of dudes lost their AI girlfriends when the owner of the company set his own apartment on fire? How can you trust him with humanity's newest invention when he can't handle humanity's first invention? But this guy gets arrested and suddenly the AI girlfriend stops responding. Hmm. That's suspicious. Alexa, don't stop when Jeff Bezos takes a nap. Makes me think he was the girlfriends the whole time, and I feel bad for those guys. Having an AI girlfriend has to be harder than having a real girlfriend. Being romantic must be a challenge. You try to take a sexy bubble bath with your laptop, and now you're both dead. Or how do you even get her in the mood? Whenever she gets wet, you have to put her in rice. Y' all nasty. See? You're nasty. All right, for more analysis on this AI girlfriend tragedy, let's go live to Ronny Ch. Rodi. What are all those lonely guys gonna do without their AI girlfriend? Easy. Don't say we can solve two problems at once here, okay? You just take those lonely guys and hire them to be the checkout cashiers, right? That way we all get better service and these guys will have plenty of chances to meet women. Because as we all know, women be shopping. That's an offensive stereotype, Ronnie. Everyone be shopping. And even if these men meet a woman, they still don't know how to talk to one. That's why they need these computer bitches in the first place. O. Okay, look, if, if, if these guys love AI women so much, in that case they can just date the self checkout machine. All right, look, the machines already have female voices, right? Like, who doesn't want to spend a cold winter's night cuddled up, hearing someone whisper, please return your items to the bagging area. I just think we gotta do something to fast track AI girlfriends to these lonely, sexless men before they storm the Capitol again. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, that's fair. You know, birds would be there. But what you have to understand is it's very complicated to program an AI girlfriend, okay? Cause men are too demanding and insecure. Like, the AI girlfriend has to be smart, but not too smart. It has to know everything about Star wars, but still listen to the guy explain. Star wars has to be like a dirty slut, but also a virgin. Like, in programming, we call this the incel paradox, all right? Now, scientists are working hard to solve it, but unfortunately, they are also a bunch of loser incels. And this is why we need more women in stem, okay? Cause somebody please, somebody please these guys. I agree. Those guys. I never realized being an AI girlfriend was so complicated. Yes, but the good news is an AI boyfriend is very doable. All right? In fact, I already have my own AI boyfriend startup. We have hundreds of clients. It's very successful. I'm a rich man. I didn't know you knew how to program AI software. Oh, yeah, yeah, it was easy. No matter what the girlfriend says, the AAI boyfriend just responds with three things. You're right. I'm sorry. And you're right to be mad, Ronnie. The idea that a woman only needs to hear three things is ridiculous. You're right, I'm sorry. And your right to be mad. Thank you, Ronny Cheyne. Thank you. I know you wanted a good one. Ronnie Chang, everybody. Over the past few months, you've probably seen the Internet has been abuzz with original art or realistic images that are completely generated by AI. So now, things that only exist in your imagination, like a banana hitchhiking on the side of the road or. Or a Knicks player holding a trophy, you can just type it in, and a few seconds later, there it is. Anyway, we wanted to find out more about this technology, which is why my first guest is the Chief technology officer of OpenAI, the company behind Dall? E2, the artificial intelligence system that can generate images from text. Dall? E was created by training a neural network on images and their text descriptions. Through deep learning, it not only understands individual objects like koala bears and motorcycles, but learns from relationships between objects. And when you ask Dolly for an image of a koala bear riding a motorcycle, it knows how to create that or anything else with a relationship to another object or action. Please welcome Mira Murati. Mira Marathi. Welcome to the Daily Show. Thank you for having me. So many people have seen the images that Dall? E creates. Many people may even think they understand it. But let's get into it. How does an AI create an image? Because it's not copying the image. It's not, you know, taking from something else. It is creating an image from nothing. How is it doing this exactly? It's an original image never seen before. And, you know, we have been making images since the beginning of time, and we simply took a great deal of these images and we fed them into this AI system. And it learned this relationship between the. The description of the image and the image itself. It learned these patterns, and eventually it was generating images that were original. They were not copies of what it had seen before. And basically the way that it learns the magic is just understanding the patterns and analyzing the patterns between a lot of information, a lot of training data that we have fed into this system. There are people who are terrified about this. I mean, for instance, there was an art competition, and the winner in the art competition used a version of this kind of software. Whether it was Dali or not, I don't remember. But they used a version of this kind of software to create an art piece that won the competition. Artists were livid. You know, they were like, well, this is not art. It was created by. And the artist said, no. The same way you use a brush, I use a computer. And that's how I designed this. In creating AI, are you constantly grappling with how it will affect people's jobs and what people even consider a job? Yeah, that's a great question. You know, the technology that we're building has such a huge effect on society, but also the society can and should shape it. And there are a ton of questions that we're wrestling with every day with the technologies that we have today, like GPT3.3 and Dall E, we see them as tools. So an extension of our creativity or our writing abilities. It's a tool. And, you know, there isn't anything particularly new about having a human helper, Right? You know, even the ancient Greeks had this concept of human helpers. You know, that when you'd give something, you know, infinite powers of knowledge or strength or so on, maybe you had to be wary of the vulnerabilities. And so these concepts of extending the human abilities and also being aware of the vulnerabilities are timeless. And in a sense, we are continuing this conversation by building AI technologies today. Well, it might be frightening because some people go, oh, the world is going to end because of this technology. But in the meantime, it's very fun. I'm not gonna lie. Um, no. Cause it, like, you know, Dali, for instance, doesn't just create an image from text. You know, you've. You've also gotten it to the point now where, as a company, you've designed it so that it can imagine what an image would be. So, for instance, there's. There's. That. There's that famous image, you know, it's. It's the girl with the pearl earring, right? And it's a famous image, right? But what Dall e can do is you've got the famous image, and then Dali can expand that everything you're seeing there never existed. So Dali's like, well, this is what I think it would look like if there was more to this image. It can assume it can create. It can inspire. Yes, it can inspire. And it makes this beautiful, sometimes touching, sometimes funny images. And it's really just an extension of your imagination. There isn't even a canvas, or the boundaries of paper are not there anymore. So how. How. How do you safeguard then? You know, someone might look at this technology and go, well, then, you know, you could type in a politician was caught doing something here. Now I've got the image, you know, you. You've got. And now. Or the politician can say, oh, that's not. That's not me. It was made by that fake program. We. We can very quickly find ourselves in a world where nothing is real and everything that's real isn't. And we question it. How do you prevent. Or can you even prevent that completely? Yeah, you know, misinformation and societal impact of our technologies. These are very important and difficult questions. And I think it's very important to be able to bring the public along, bring these technologies in the public consciousness. But in a way, that's responsible and Safe. And that's why we have chosen to make Dali available, but with certain guardrails and with certain constraints, because we do want people to understand what AI is capable of, and we want people in various fields to think about what it means. But right now, we don't feel very comfortable around the mitigations on misinformation. And so we do have some guardrails, for example. We do not allow generation of public figures. So we will go in the data set and we will eliminate also. Yes, if you type something in, you can't pull up, it can't create a politician for you. It won't be a picture of that person. So that's the first step at the training of the model itself, just looking at the data and auditing it, making interventions in the data set to avoid certain outcomes. And then later in the deployment stage, we will look at filters, applying filters, so that when you put in a prompt, it won't generate things that contain violence or hate and make it more in line with our content policy. Wow. So let me ask you this then. You know, obviously part of your team has to think about the ethical ramifications of the technology that you're creating. Do your team also then think about the greater meaning of work or life or the purpose that humans have? Because, you know, most of us define ourselves by what we do, I. E. Our jobs. As AI slowly takes away what people's jobs are, we'll find a growing class of people who don't have that same purpose anymore. Do you then also have to think about that and wonder, like, what does it mean to be human if it's not my job and can you take. Tell me what that is? You know, we, we have philosophers and ethicists at OpenAI, and. But I really think these are big societal questions that, you know, shouldn't even be in the hands of technologists alone. We're certainly thinking about them. And I, you know, the tools that we see today, they're not the tools that are automating certain aspects of our jobs. They're really tools extending our capabilities, our inherent abilities, and making them far better. But it could be that in the far future, you know, we have these systems that can automate a lot of. A lot of different jobs. I do think that, as with other revolutions that we've. We've gone through, there will be new jobs and some jobs will be lost, some jobs will be new, and there will be some retraining required as well. But I'm optimistic. It's interesting. It's scary because change always is. But as long as we have Bless you. As long as we have koalas riding bicycles, I think we're headed in the right direction. 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