The Precap | Michael Kosta on Trump's Nobel Snub, and Proper Protest Attire

Summary

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The Precap | Michael Kosta on Trump's Nobel Snub, and Proper Protest Attire

Podcast: The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Host: Zach Delanzo
Guest: Michael Costa (this week’s Daily Show host)
Date: October 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Precap offers a laid-back, behind-the-scenes chat between Daily Show host Michael Costa and writer Zach Delanzo, previewing stories they’re working on during a "working dark week" (when the show is off-air and writers are preparing, not taping), and recapping recent news with a comedic and critical lens. They riff on stories that might have made the show, discuss the government's ongoing shutdown, Trump’s Nobel Peace Prize ambitions, the Gaza ceasefire, fat phobia in the military, and the contours of proper protest attire. As always, the tone is a mix of irreverent, insightful, and self-deprecating.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Behind the Scenes at The Daily Show

• Walter the Dog: The episode opens with banter about Michael’s dog, Walter, and the peculiar affections (and grumpiness) of office pets.
  • Michael jokes about golden retrievers being "sluts" because they'll let anyone pet them, contrasting with Walter's selective affection.
    • "Golden retrievers... they’re really sluts." – Michael Costa (02:04)
  • The writers liken the Daily Show’s reset-every-day mentality to Walter’s unpredictable moods, finding liberation in short memories and the freedom to try out (and then let go of) bad jokes.
    • "Every day you start is a new day." – Zach Delanzo (02:42)

2. Covering a 'Boring' Government Shutdown

• Both discuss the repetitiveness of shutdown coverage and the struggle to mine comedy from a topic everyone’s tired of, including the newscasters themselves.
  • "It’s not really a sexy story." – Michael Costa (04:19)
  • "You know, and they put up a graphic of all the other times..." – Michael Costa (04:23)
• They highlight recent attempts to politicize the shutdown online, e.g., South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem’s video messages at airports blaming Democrats, and discuss the ethical and legal boundaries (Hatch Act) about politicizing federal roles.
  • "That’s a violation of the Hatch Act, a federal law." – Michael Costa (05:35)

On the Hatch Act

• Michael explains how the law prohibits government officials from engaging in overt political activity in their official roles and laments the lack of enforcement.
  • "We’ve created good boundaries... but enforcing the boundary is another thing." – Michael Costa (32:11)
  • Zach and Michael agree that much of recent government blurring of the law simply tests what political norms can be gotten away with.

3. Trump’s Quest for the Nobel Peace Prize

• Trump’s obsession with winning a Nobel Peace Prize is lampooned as both childish and fundamentally antithetical to the honor’s spirit.
  • "As soon as you want the Nobel Peace Prize, you’re not qualified." – Michael Costa (09:35)
• Discussion of the Gaza ceasefire and whether Trump is owed credit, with both hosts warily conceding the progress but suspecting Trump’s motivations.
  • "You’re almost afraid to say good job, Trump." – Michael Costa (18:07)
  • "He seems like he cared about it, in which case, I'll say it... maybe Ceasefire." – Michael Costa (19:00)
  • "You know what ceasefire I’d love to see him work on next? The political violence ceasefire in the United States." – Michael Costa (19:20)

4. Fat Phobia & Military Optics

• Following news about the Texas National Guard’s deployment to Chicago and subsequent online body shaming of several overweight guardsmen, the hosts riff on the pettiness and toxicity of online perceptions versus actual job merit, and the hypocrisy of self-proclaimed meritocrats.
  • "They live online...if this picture goes up and then the Internet doesn’t (like it), they would respond differently." – Michael Costa (13:41)
  • "There are no other jobs where you’re allowed to be like, hey, the new boss doesn’t like fat people, so you guys will have to go home." – Zach Delanzo (14:57)

5. Media Image Manipulation & Trump’s Vanity

• They laugh about the unflattering TIME magazine cover of Trump and speculate about media trolling, then reflect on where legitimate critique gives way to body shaming, taking aim at their own standards as liberal comedians.
  • "It’s a bit of a neck vagina." – Zach Delanzo (21:26)
  • "I don’t love making fun...let’s make fun of...the character of the person. Let’s make fun of that." – Michael Costa (23:17)

6. Protest Attire and the “No Kings” Rallies — [24:54]

• They plug the upcoming non-partisan "No Kings" protests, emphasizing the anti-monarchy/anti-authoritarian foundation of American democracy, and laugh about possible protest costumes.
  • "I almost want to dress as a king and then have people kinda like beat me up or something." – Michael Costa (27:03)

7. Forecasting News & Sports Segments

• Brief teases of other topics that might have made the show, including the NBA and MLB seasons, the New York City mayoral primary, and the peculiarities of New York politics.
  • "It’s just funny that everyone has an opinion about New York City, but as soon as you tell them that Kansas City sucks, they think you’re, like, an elitist." – Michael Costa (30:00)

8. Daily Show and Tell [31:13]

• Michael’s “show and tell” is the Hatch Act, drawing a parallel between personal boundary-setting and the need for institutional enforcement.
• Zach recommends films (“Cloud” and “One Battle After Another”), compares them to Adam Sandler’s “Punch Drunk Love,” and launches into a conversation about left-wing revolutionary history, both in 1960s America and its cultural aftershocks.
  • "There is so much American history you aren’t taught in public school." – Zach Delanzo (36:28)
• The conversation turns to the Vietnam War, perceptions of history, and confronting America’s historical wrongs after travel experiences (Michael in Vietnam, Zach in Germany).
  • "It’s so terrible that we, like, threw liquid fire on their crops, their homes, their kids. It’s terrible." – Michael Costa (38:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pigs and Dogs:
  "Golden retrievers... they’re really sluts. Anyone can pet them. Walter, you gotta earn it." — Michael Costa (02:04)
• On Trump and the Nobel:
  "As soon as you want the Nobel Peace Prize, you’re not qualified." — Michael Costa (09:35)
• On Online Culture:
  "They live online... if this picture goes up and then the Internet doesn’t (like it), they would respond differently." — Michael Costa (13:41)
• On Protest Attire:
  "I almost want to dress as a king and then have people kinda like beat me up or something." — Michael Costa (27:03)
• On American History:
  "We’ve created good boundaries... but enforcing the boundary is another thing." — Michael Costa (32:11) "There is so much American history you aren’t taught in public school." — Zach Delanzo (36:28)
• On Travel and Confronting History:
  "It’s so terrible that we, like, threw liquid fire on their crops, their homes, their kids. It’s terrible." — Michael Costa (38:10)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Highlight | |------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:00 | Introduction — Office Dogs, Writers’ Room Banter | | 04:04 | The Government Shutdown, Shutdown Media Narratives | | 05:35 | Hatch Act, Politicization of Bureaucracy | | 09:06 | Trump’s Nobel Peace Prize Campaign | | 11:17 | Military Optics: Fat Phobia, Social Media, Meritocracy | | 17:12 | Gaza Ceasefire: Giving Credit, Political Optics | | 21:24 | TIME Cover: Trump’s Vanity, Body Shaming, Liberal Standards | | 24:54 | No Kings Protest—Foundations of American Democracy | | 27:34 | Sports Previews and NYC Mayoral Race Chatter | | 31:13 | The Daily Show and Tell: Hatch Act, Movie Picks, American Political History| | 37:05 | Travel, Vietnam, and facing US history abroad |

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Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Irreverent, sharp, self-aware, cycling between comic riffs and genuine critique.
• Takeaway: The Daily Show team, even on dark weeks, approaches news not just with biting humor but an eye for the absurdities of power, the cultural memes of the day, and the recurring challenges of living up to American ideals—enforcing boundaries, recognizing everyone’s basic dignity (even those body-shamed on social media), and questioning what does or doesn’t make a story “sexy” for late night comedy.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
You’ll come away with an insider’s view on how the Daily Show sifts through each week’s news for comic gold, a rundown of some of the biggest headlines (and how they would have been covered), plenty of trademark snark about Trump and American politics, and a measure of heart as the hosts reflect on history, public service, protest, and the challenge of keeping comedy meaningful in chaotic times.

Transcript

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[Michael Costa]

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[Zach Delanzo]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings Fairy. Underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates, excludes Massachusetts. You're listening to Comedy Central. All right. Hello and welcome to the Pre Cap, where we sit down with this week's Daily show host to preview what's coming up and recap some of the news we might have missed. I'm Zach delanzo, a writer here at the show and I'm joined by Michael Costa. I forgot your name for a second. Michael Costa, this week's Daily show host.

[Michael Costa]

It's exciting and I'm here with my co host.

[Zach Delanzo]

Co host for the week, Walter. Walter. Your dog, Walter.

[Michael Costa]

But he. The subway ride in stressed him out. So he's asleep.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, he's chilling. He's chilling. He's one of our beloved office dogs.

[Michael Costa]

He is.

[Zach Delanzo]

And he's at times a grump 100. But when he does show you affection, that sort of. It feels so special.

[Michael Costa]

You know, I grew up with golden retrievers and I always thought they were the best breed, but they're really sluts.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

You know what I mean?

[Zach Delanzo]

You can every day. Anybody pet them.

[Michael Costa]

They'll let anybody pet them. Walter, you gotta earn it.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

And even after, even if you've earned it, he sometimes is mean.

[Zach Delanzo]

Like, we had wine and dine them.

[Michael Costa]

You got a wine and dynamic. We had a. We had some family friends staying with us and they made a lot of leeway with Walter. And he was laying on their laps and letting him. The next morning, it was like, reset. He bit one of them. And they're like. But we. We hung out yesterday.

[Zach Delanzo]

He's like, it doesn't mean anything.

[Michael Costa]

Doesn't mean anything.

[Zach Delanzo]

No.

[Michael Costa]

It's like the Daily Show.

[Zach Delanzo]

Every day you start is a new day.

[Michael Costa]

New day.

[Zach Delanzo]

And I truly can't remember what we did the previous day.

[Michael Costa]

Correct.

[Zach Delanzo]

It doesn't matter.

[Michael Costa]

Which is actually freeing.

[Zach Delanzo]

It is.

[Michael Costa]

Hey, feel free to write a terrible joke.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. Cause it.

[Michael Costa]

Hey, feel free to perform a terrible joke. Tomorrow. You'll be doing this shit again anyways.

[Zach Delanzo]

And I feel so strongly when I do write a joke that this is a good joke. And then I'll sometimes look at previous jokes and I'll be like, oh, man, I understand why you didn't go with that one. Cause it wasn't very good. Right now we're in a working dark week, which is like, a rare thing we do occasionally a few times a year where we're coming into the office, but we're not doing shows. We're just prepping stuff. But because of that, we're also missing a lot of fun news that we'd otherwise certainly cover on the show.

[Michael Costa]

That's true.

[Zach Delanzo]

Is there anything.

[Michael Costa]

But sometimes these dark weeks, you're like, God, I wish the show was on.

[Zach Delanzo]

No, totally.

[Michael Costa]

You know, like, when that. I think it was the strike, when that submarine exploded.

[Zach Delanzo]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Costa]

And I was like, this isn't funny that people are dead. But come on, there's. There's stuff here.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. There's material by the. Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

You know, and this week, I'm kind of like, okay, it's a Newsweek. I'm not, like, itching that the show is on.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right. There hasn't been the one very special thing that everybody's talking about that.

[Michael Costa]

Or it's a very serious thing that you're like, hey, maybe it's better to let the serious people cover this.

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Now.

[Zach Delanzo]

I will say there's been some. Well, first of all, there's still a government shutdown, which is sort of like an ongoing story that you can kind of talk about, but it's just people arguing about whose fault it is.

[Michael Costa]

And it's not really a sexy story.

[Zach Delanzo]

It's not.

[Michael Costa]

You know, and the other thing I've noticed with this government shutdown, even the newscasters are like, we've done this before.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

You know, and they put up a graphic of all the other times with Clinton and Obama and Bush. So it is kind of hard to mine this.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. What do you say about, like. Well, it's day 16.

[Michael Costa]

I mean, I. I found the Christy Noem video, the airport video, interesting. If you saw that. She basically said, we're trying to keep you safe, but the Democrats have shut the government down, and they want her to air that at all the airports. And some airports have said, no, we're not doing that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

So that's kind of an interesting new government shutdown story.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, they have access to all of the websites. So I know that, like, if you go to, like, the HUD website, they're like, we'd love to be open right now. We know how much you guys love the HUD website. But we are. But they just have some message up that's blaming Democrats. So there are certainly. This administration, I'd say, really loves to make little videos.

[Michael Costa]

Well, let me tell you this, Zach. That's a violation of the Hatch Act, a federal law.

[Zach Delanzo]

Oh, right.

[Michael Costa]

Since 1939, you are not allowed. If you're a civil servant, you're not allowed to politicize or use politics in a harmful way. It's against the law.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right.

[Michael Costa]

Now, here's the big question. This administration has done a lot of that, and what is going to happen? But they should never be able to do that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right? Oh, I remember from the first administration learning about. It's one of the many things we learned about that existed that no one was familiar with. But, yeah, the Hatch Act. And yeah, I guess they should have outlined a punishment for that.

[Michael Costa]

I mean, it's like, I've been fortunate enough to interview Secretary of the Interior on the show, Department of Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, you know, and they always say to you, they're acting in their official office duty so they can't get into politics with you. It would be a violation of the Hatch act if you said, like, Trump. Huh? Because they'd be like, no, we're officially government officers. We can't do that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Serving the public.

[Michael Costa]

Right. But then you watch this video or these websites where they blame the Democrats, and you're like, I guess one thing the Trump administration is doing really well is testing all these boundaries. And we have to. American people have to, like, enforce this shit somehow, right?

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. It's also just like a nut. Like, flying already sucks enough that you have to, like, go and see Kristi Gnome being mean.

[Michael Costa]

I'm already gonna get this wine opener that I didn't even know was in the bottom of my bag confiscated. Why do I have to watch a video of Christi Noem anyways? So, yes, the government shut down. There isn't. It's not like a super comedy heavy.

[Zach Delanzo]

No, it's subject sort of boring. Yeah, there's little. There's little moments, little arguments that have been happening with Mike Johnson. But it's.

[Michael Costa]

How. How do you. How do you all as. As writers tackle those, like, what seems to be boring subjects?

[Zach Delanzo]

I don't know. I guess we try to figure out, like a. I guess we have a meeting where we try to figure out a meeting. Yeah, but, I mean, it's. There's always a way to shift it into something funny. Our research team will do a good job of finding, like, a juicy video of, like. Cause it's all about right now. It's just everybody making little videos. Democrats are making videos. Blaming Republicans. We're hoping they're just making videos. So we have that. Upgrade your laundry routine with a durable.

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[Zach Delanzo]

The story that I thought was pretty fun this week was, well, Trump, I guess he didn't win the Nobel Prize, right? And. And he's very angry about that, which is a very funny thing to be pissed off about. I'm so fucking peaceful.

[Michael Costa]

But he was kind of putting on, like, a press blitz for that, right?

[Zach Delanzo]

He was, like, sort of shamelessly trying.

[Michael Costa]

To win the way you, like, try to win an Emmy.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. Yes, exactly. But I feel like it's one of those things that the more you. It's not like Mother Teresa campaigned to win a Nobel Peace Prize, it's sort of like. Like when. Like, prom king, like, if you're asking people to vote for you to be prom king, that's a bad sign.

[Michael Costa]

As soon as you want the Nobel Peace Prize, you're not qualified.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Michael Costa]

Like, the whole point of that and.

[Zach Delanzo]

Also part of it was that the. I guess the way that it works is that you have to be nominated, like, whatever. Nomination time closed January 31st of this past year. So he was only president for all the stuff that he did that he's claiming should qualify him. So it's like, just at least give it another show. Anyway, he was very upset about that. And then, I guess. But also part of the.

[Michael Costa]

I can't even foster an argument for him to have the Nobel Peace Prize now, if we accept, like, his press releases that he's solved all these wars. I mean, I guess you can. I don't even know what wars he's talking about.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, he's always. I've solved. I've stopped eight wars.

[Michael Costa]

And I do think it is interesting to watch Trump, you know? You know, this was a big paradigm shift for me that was helpful. I always thought Trump wanted to be at War. Because the American people support presidents during war. And I was always going, is he gonna get us into war? Is he gonna get us in war? And then I realized, oh, he is a wartime president. It's just he's fighting a war here in the United States.

[Zach Delanzo]

His enemies are.

[Michael Costa]

His enemies are here, like the people. So I was like, he is a wartime general, but, like, traditional American president. He's not fighting Russia. He's fighting the elite coastal cities or whatever. Whoever we are. Chicago. Yeah. Whatever the hell we are.

[Zach Delanzo]

So speaking of that, there was. That. There was a photo. Okay, so the context of this is that a few weeks ago, Pete Hagseth had gave this crazy speech to all of his generals in which he.

[Michael Costa]

By the way, do you know those guys, like, flew in from around the globe.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, from all over. Unprecedented.

[Michael Costa]

It wasn't like they were in Annapolis.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, no, they drove in, were, like, in active war zones, and flew back to see the speech in person was also televised. Like, they could have watched it on television.

[Michael Costa]

Could have been a zoom.

[Zach Delanzo]

It could have been a zoom. Could have been an email. But they. The main part of this speech was that army men aren't going to be fat anymore.

[Michael Costa]

Right.

[Zach Delanzo]

And then the National Guard, I believe it was the Texas National Guard, was sent to Chicago, right? And there was a photograph of these overweight military guys, like, several of them, all unloading stuff.

[Michael Costa]

It's also funny. Like, I tell my daughter, like, hey, we don't say fat.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

Hey, like, you know, if you see somebody that's large and you need to say something, whisper it to me. But then you just, like, these leaders are like, fat, fat, fat.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, we don't want fat guys. Yeah. And here's the picture. Have you seen this photo?

[Michael Costa]

No. Now, is this the real photo, or did you guys enlarge this photo?

[Zach Delanzo]

No, no, that's the real photo. And the Internet had a. Had a bit of fun.

[Michael Costa]

Oh, did they?

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. And, you know, again, it's really sort of. These guys are probably nice guys. Of course.

[Michael Costa]

By the way, you know, any more bullets those guys can take?

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, they got them The. The meat suit.

[Michael Costa]

They got the meat suit.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

I want. I want this. I want to be fourth. And one game is on the line, and you need. You need one yard, and you give the ball to any of those people and you run fast.

[Zach Delanzo]

Oh, absolutely. This is.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah.

[Zach Delanzo]

Eye formation and. Well. Yeah. So. But as part of that. So this photo came out, and then apparently they sent these guys home, like, after people on the Internet were being mean to them. We live in a very petty time. And I think you should be allowed to be fat. And me. And also, they shouldn't be in Chicago in the first place. They should be.

[Michael Costa]

Also, I don't care if the guy operating an unmanned drone.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right.

[Michael Costa]

Is fat.

[Zach Delanzo]

You prefer it?

[Michael Costa]

I prefer it, yeah. Because he. You know, those guys know how to really.

[Zach Delanzo]

The game. Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

They know how to really settle in. You know, another realization of this administration. It sucks. Is that they live online.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, they live online. Online. Optics, the memes.

[Michael Costa]

So if this picture goes up and then the Internet doesn't responds a different way, they would respond differently. It's one thing just to remember, like, they live online. Everything is online.

[Zach Delanzo]

So it's the work. Like, online is sort of the worst place to live, correct?

[Michael Costa]

Yes.

[Zach Delanzo]

So, yeah, we're the.

[Michael Costa]

It's the swamp. They live in the swamp. I feel bad for those service men and women. And if they're watching this, I thank them for their service. They do a lot more shit for this country than I have, other than I do. I. Sorry, I gotta take that back. I do more than them for this country. But I do appreciate their. No. When you start this all up, I appreciate those servicemen and women, if they're watching, I'm sure they're big Daily show fans. And also, like, they didn't look. They didn't look grotesquely obese. They just looked like a bigger body type.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right. They're just like a. Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

People have a picture of them with their shirts off.

[Zach Delanzo]

Alan.

[Michael Costa]

No.

[Zach Delanzo]

Can we go? No. But. Yeah. And it's like, you're. There are no other jobs where you're allowed to be like, hey, we decide. We. The new. The new boss doesn't like fat people.

[Michael Costa]

Right.

[Zach Delanzo]

So we're like, you guys will have to go home. We got Putin shirtless.

[Michael Costa]

We got Putin shirtless. Wow. Putin's doing the butterfly swim stroke, which is a tough swim strip. You know what? After seeing this, I'm on board with Putin.

[Zach Delanzo]

He's good. He's fishing, he's hunting. Shirtless, you know?

[Michael Costa]

Yeah. This sucks. It sucks that they let those servicemen and women go, Especially when they talk about merit so much. We have no clue. The service record of these people. It could be excellent, right? It could be excellent. And if you're letting them go because their service record isn't, then make that the story.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right. No. Nothing is merit based at this point. It's all online optics.

[Michael Costa]

I think if they say it's a thing, it's the opposite thing. So if they go, merit, merit, merit. You go like, oh, mayor. Then it's like, no, it's actually not that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right. Because it's like Pete Hag. Seth, I don't think is the most highly decorated. No, I know, I know he served.

[Michael Costa]

And you know, and we thank you for your service.

[Zach Delanzo]

We thank him for his service, but he saw. He was also just on fox news like 6 months ago, so I know it's all very strange.

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[Michael Costa]

You know, Gaza. We got, we got to talk. I mean, that's the story. Yeah, that's sort of the.

[Zach Delanzo]

That's the story is the peace deal. So we would certainly cover that.

[Michael Costa]

We would certainly cover that. And yeah, it's an interesting, it's kind of an interesting story in the sense that Trump, did he do a good thing?

[Zach Delanzo]

Certainly. Anyone? Yeah, I mean, I would say that ending and I would say that's a good thing. I think it is. Yeah. It is interesting that it is. Like, I mean, he certainly was involved and that we probably should talk about his role in that. But it is also interesting that it's sort of the first thing that comes up with the story is like this hellish thing is finally come to an end. And like, but the context of good Trump or bad, like, everything is political. Is it a win or, you know, Right.

[Michael Costa]

Like, yeah, you're almost afraid to say good job, Trump.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right.

[Michael Costa]

You know, say it. Me personally, I think Trump probably wants to turn the west bank into a golf course. So it's like, it's kind of hard to really go like, hey, good job, bro.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yes.

[Michael Costa]

I also think there wasn't a whole lot worse it could get.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right.

[Michael Costa]

Like, it reached the end.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right. But. And I think there's still a lot to the story is still unfolding in terms of this, see how.

[Michael Costa]

What happens. But I mean, I hope any American president is constantly trying and working to bring more ceasefires and peace to the United States.

[Zach Delanzo]

We have like, incredible leverage as a country over. And it's a shame it didn't happen sooner and. But it seems like a good thing.

[Michael Costa]

And good. Good for him for, you know, he didn't. He seems like he cared about it, in which case, I'll say it. Hey, Trump, nice job so far with this. Maybe. Maybe Ceasefire.

[Zach Delanzo]

I feel like.

[Michael Costa]

Keep it up.

[Zach Delanzo]

Dedicate yourself to peace from here on out at home and abroad.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah.

[Zach Delanzo]

And maybe you get that award.

[Michael Costa]

You know what? You know what? Ceasefire. I'd love to see him work on next. Yes. The political violence ceasefire in the United States. That's beautiful.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

Nice job, Costa.

[Zach Delanzo]

Nice. Good take. That's what we would have done on the show, but sadly, we're in a podcast room with a sleepy dog, so.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, we would have to cover Gaza. We'd have to cover that. Obviously we would.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. I'd say on the show there's always a have to cover. And, like, this has got some juice and is just going to be fun to talk about. And I feel like Gaza would just be the. Be a Have to cover.

[Michael Costa]

Do you think we would cover, like, the Poppy. Kim Kardashian's thong thing? I don't know, because we kind of used to do some of that stuff.

[Zach Delanzo]

We used to, like, be a little more. I feel like me. You. Maybe you could work it into a joke without making it a news story. Kim Kardashian.

[Michael Costa]

God, this Gaza ceasefire thing is hairier than.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. Kim Kardashian.

[Michael Costa]

Kardashians pube thong. Can you pull up the picture of that? She's good at getting people to.

[Zach Delanzo]

We're talking about her. Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

Huh.

[Zach Delanzo]

I mean, I guess. Why not? I guess you just look extra naked, then. You know what I mean?

[Michael Costa]

I'm afraid that my pubes are so big that you wouldn't even know I was wearing that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right. No. I feel like I was gonna say.

[Michael Costa]

Many fans are expressing confusion over the product. That's.

[Zach Delanzo]

Oh, there's white ones as well.

[Michael Costa]

That's cool.

[Zach Delanzo]

That's cool for all ages. A Santa.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah. All right. Whatever. Yeah. Fashion.

[Zach Delanzo]

They don't. It's a shame they don't make a man's brief.

[Michael Costa]

Well, I'll tell you what, I wouldn't mind one of those, but the hair is on the backside.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

You know what I mean?

[Zach Delanzo]

You just wear it backwards.

[Michael Costa]

I don't think we would cover that.

[Zach Delanzo]

No. Another part of these. I don't know if it was because of. I think it was because of the ceasefire. Trump was on the COVID of Time magazine. Did you see that cover? No. Speaking of funny photos, Trump was on the COVID of Time magazine.

[Michael Costa]

He loves being on cover.

[Zach Delanzo]

He was. He. It's, It's. It's from an unflattering angle. And he even truth. Socialed about it. Bit of a. A neck vagina. People have been wow online. And so he. He was even like, guys, come on.

[Michael Costa]

It's a little bit of a troll.

[Zach Delanzo]

It could be like a triumphant angle in a way that, like, you know, he's like, his. He's in the glory of the ceasefire. But it's a. It's a. It's a tough angle.

[Michael Costa]

The way that I would see this is Time is giving him that, like, dictator shot. I mean, that looking. Go watch. Like, some of these guys speeches, they were shot from that angle.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Costa]

So they might be giving a little bit of that. Are they truly trying to be complimentary here? Do we feel.

[Zach Delanzo]

Were there like a troll. Let's find the bad picture of him and be petty about it.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah. I mean, this doesn't. This doesn't paint him in a. I.

[Zach Delanzo]

Mean, biologically speaking, as a man, you do get a little hard looking at that neck.

[Michael Costa]

But thanks for saying biologically speaking.

[Zach Delanzo]

You know, it's just. It's not a political thing.

[Michael Costa]

I don't love making fun of you. You all done, dude? You want to come over here?

[Zach Delanzo]

The body shaming. Yeah. I feel like, as liberals, we're, like, we shouldn't be fat phobic. We shouldn't make fun of people.

[Michael Costa]

Well, especially when there's.

[Zach Delanzo]

Fuck it.

[Michael Costa]

Well, no, I always, you know, when. Look, I'm no. I'm no saint. I've certainly made fun of RFK jr's voice.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

I've. I've taken those jokes and I've done them, but I try, if we have time in the rewrite room. And again, I'm not patting myself in the back. I try to say, you know, Mitch McConnell was an easy one to make fun of. And I always would say there's plenty to make fun of this person about the character of the person. Let's make fun of that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. And it's also like.

[Michael Costa]

I mean, the character, they have some control over.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yes, yes. It's just so tempting. And.

[Michael Costa]

And you got a Daily show and the show's. We gotta be on the air in one hour and we gotta go. I mean, I think Time is kind of trolling Trump.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. I feel like that seems like they were.

[Michael Costa]

What did Trump say about it?

[Zach Delanzo]

One would think that. Yeah. I don't know if. I guess his team didn't have any.

[Michael Costa]

Control over what the Magazine wrote a relatively good story about me with the picture, maybe the worst of all time capitalized. They disappeared my hair and then had something floating on top of my head that looked like a floating crown, but an extremely small one. Really weird. I never liked taking pictures from underneath angles, but this is a super bad picture and deserves to be called out. Why are they doing this and why. Yeah, I mean, it is. I think they're kind of trolling him.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

You know, this is going down. As long as it continues to happen, it's gonna go down as a positive moment in the Trump presidency.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right.

[Michael Costa]

So I do think the media shouldn't be afraid to say, good job, we have a ceasefire. I noticed yesterday, and this is something we could definitely make fun of on the show. It was like, okay, but what's next? What's next? It's like, hey, if a good thing happened, let's, like, let. We can celebrate it.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. You know, so good on him.

[Michael Costa]

Good on him. Yep. What else we got?

[Zach Delanzo]

We got some things we can look forward to. We can get to the forecasting of stories that we probably won't actually cover because probably something crazy will happen.

[Michael Costa]

Yes.

[Zach Delanzo]

It often does. But there's a no Kings protest this weekend in New York City.

[Michael Costa]

I'll be going to that. And I should mention, go to nokings.org and you can see thousands of no Kings protests all around the country. And again, what's cool about this, ladies and gentlemen, this is not partisan. So scroll down a little bit, Alan, you'll see the map. Look at this.

[Zach Delanzo]

Wow.

[Michael Costa]

Isn't that crazy?

[Zach Delanzo]

A lot of dots.

[Michael Costa]

So this is non partisan. This is.

[Zach Delanzo]

There's one in Mexico. They've got them all around the globe.

[Michael Costa]

Oh, this guy was drunk. Whoever put these dots on here. So also, I recommend. And this ties into the government shutdown. I just reread the Declaration of Independence, which, when you go to the National Archives website, the first pop up is like, we're closed because the government shutdown. Which I thought was interesting, but you can still read the text. Like, 80% of the declaration of Independence is bitching about the tyranny of the English king. And I do think it's.

[Zach Delanzo]

The whole thing was that it was.

[Michael Costa]

I mean, more or less. It's like. It's like we're all creative. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Correct. But I just hope Americans realize the foundation of this country, truly the foundational document before the Constitution is, we don't want your fucking kingship. Get this shit out of our face.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right.

[Michael Costa]

You don't have to be Democrat, Republican, Green Party, Ralph Nader. That's just a foundation of this country.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right. We want to be able to elect representatives. That's why we threw a bunch of tea into the.

[Michael Costa]

That's why we threw tea.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

We wanna not have to house your troops. We wanna have a trial by jury. We wan Fair trial. All this shit. Anyways, if you support that, that's happening this Saturday in a city near you.

[Zach Delanzo]

Oh, this isn't because there's been a few. Right. There's been.

[Michael Costa]

There have been previous no Kings protests and I don't know when the last one was, but I'm hoping they do these frequently.

[Zach Delanzo]

What's your vibe at a protest sign? Sign?

[Michael Costa]

No, I wear one of those Kim Kardashian dog things. Yeah.

[Zach Delanzo]

Backwards.

[Michael Costa]

That's a good question. I haven't really thought about my wardrobe yet.

[Zach Delanzo]

It's like perfect weather for really anything, including marching. Marching to defend your liberties.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, your liberties. Now that we're talking about it, I almost wanna dress as a king and then have people kinda like beat me up or something.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. So everybody gets satirical.

[Michael Costa]

Talk about. That's the kind of thing that gets me excited.

[Zach Delanzo]

They.

[Michael Costa]

Groups of people kicking the shit out of me.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah. This is an easy one, in my opinion, to get behind.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's like some, some certain marches can get hyper specific, but this one's pretty. Should be something most people can get behind, I think.

[Michael Costa]

So what else is going on?

[Zach Delanzo]

We got. We got the NBA beginning. Are you a basketball guy?

[Michael Costa]

I like basketball. That's. That's not circled on my calendar.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. I feel like I don't start paying attention really to basketball until the new year baseball playoffs happening. Maybe. Sometimes we do sports on the show. We go a little sports war segment. Baseball's heating up. How are you a baseball guy?

[Michael Costa]

I'm a Tigers guy. They lost. They're out. But I do like baseball. October. Baseball's fun.

[Zach Delanzo]

I know.

[Michael Costa]

I like watching pitching. I like watching how they make the ball do weird things. Oh, yeah, that's cool. How did you do that?

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, I'm a Phillies guy. They also lost this round, so. And it is at a point where in my life where I can really only watch my teams. I can't.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah.

[Zach Delanzo]

When I was a younger man, I could just watch sports six nights a week.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was on in the background. If you have a family or people that love you, it's hard to really commit to sports. Yes.

[Zach Delanzo]

There's also the big mayoral debate in New York City.

[Michael Costa]

I probably will watch that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, that'll be. That'll be interesting.

[Michael Costa]

Somehow. Cuomo lost the primary but is back.

[Zach Delanzo]

He's back.

[Michael Costa]

And Eric Adams is not running again.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yes. And apparently, I guess he gave a speech to, like, a bunch of his staffers and was like, I got an amazing new job, but didn't say what it was. Who?

[Michael Costa]

Eric Adams.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah. He's like. He's like, this is something that's, like, just as cool as being the mayor, which seems like I. Like, unless he's bringing those staffers with him, it's sort of like a weird thing to be like, hey, weird flex. Things are going good for me.

[Michael Costa]

I think he's gonna want some ambassadorship under Trump.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

Seems like he's a Trump guy.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, it seems like there was some sort of, like, get out of the race and. But Mamdani, I was reading, I guess, did an interview with Fox News. He's, like, trying to, you know, there's something Democrats will do. Appeal. Appeal to people that aren't on the.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah. I'll tell you what, my friends that don't live in New York City have a lot of opinions about Mamdani, and I'm like, holy shit, guys. This is crazy that you care this.

[Zach Delanzo]

Much about, like, yeah, I've gotten, like, the grocery store thing is like, he.

[Michael Costa]

Wants to open up a public grocery store.

[Zach Delanzo]

Like, hey, man, I'm paying, like, $9 for a can of beans if someone wants to.

[Michael Costa]

It's just funny that everyone has an opinion about New York City, but as soon as you tell them that Kansas City sucks, they think you're, like, an elitist.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, Yeah. I got to start ripping on other cities.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, they. They. They're. They're very not afraid to make fun of New York City.

[Zach Delanzo]

So whoever's running Topeka, Kansas, suck. Fucking sucks. Okay.

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[Zach Delanzo]

Let's do a segment called the Daily show and tell.

[Michael Costa]

Oh, I like this. What do we do?

[Zach Delanzo]

You're going to tell. You're going to show us or tell us something that you've watched, read, listened to, argued about something that's just been on your mind lately that you've liked, hated. You know, just something.

[Michael Costa]

Well, I shared earlier, you know, I did some fun reading on the Hatch Act. Yeah, I know, that's not.

[Zach Delanzo]

You've been reading up. That's actually. Yeah, that's.

[Michael Costa]

I just kind of like that stuff. Yeah, I like that our previous politicians and authors of our government thought of this stuff.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right?

[Michael Costa]

Hey, we can't have people using politics in a position, in a civil servant position. But what's interesting and most interesting to me is how do we enforce it? And let me just share with you some therapy lessons.

[Zach Delanzo]

Okay?

[Michael Costa]

Creating boundaries is one thing. Enforcing the boundary is another thing. So when I say to my family, hey, I'm not offering tickets to anybody for my standup show because it gets too complicated. Because you guys all change your mind all the time and then you need a friend of a friend who wants a ticket and they go, oh, okay. But then enforcing the boundary, when I get 900 phone calls in a text that says, like, but my cousin's friend's brother wants a ticket. Enforcing is hard. Yes, enforcing the boundary is hard. And as a country, I think we have created.

[Zach Delanzo]

That's where we are.

[Michael Costa]

We've created good boundaries.

[Zach Delanzo]

Right, right.

[Michael Costa]

Constitution, Bill of Rights.

[Zach Delanzo]

There used to be a shame motivator that sort of has gone away or.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, the shame is not really an enforceable right. You know, we need to enforce our boundaries. So that isn't. Might not have been a fun, cute Daily show and Tell, but that has. What's been. That has that. But that is what's been on my mind lately.

[Zach Delanzo]

Should I read the. How long will it take me to read the Hatch Act?

[Michael Costa]

I didn't even read the Hatchet.

[Zach Delanzo]

Okay.

[Michael Costa]

I just read about that.

[Zach Delanzo]

Okay, cool. That's what I'll do. Yeah, no, I've. I'd. Yeah. Emoluments clause. Yeah, I don't. I remember that being a thing. Maybe I'll give that a read.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, give that a read. I don't even know what that is.

[Zach Delanzo]

Um, maybe I think that's to do with gifts, maybe.

[Michael Costa]

Oh, yeah, that's the other thing. Like with these fucking Supreme Court justices with their gifts. The RVs, it's like, okay, we've created a boundary, but there's no real enforcement of anything. Well, they don't even have a. They don't even have a code of ethics. They write their own code of ethics.

[Zach Delanzo]

That's nice.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, that's nice.

[Zach Delanzo]

I love the like, Texas billionaire. His name is Harlan Crow, which is such like a really funny, funny name.

[Michael Costa]

Like, if you read a screenplay and the villain's name was Harlan Crowe, you'd be like, well, this is a little too gimmicky.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, we would soften that a little. Okay, well, I.

[Michael Costa]

What's your show and tell?

[Zach Delanzo]

I don't know. My show and tell was going to be this movie.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, let's.

[Zach Delanzo]

That seems.

[Michael Costa]

I know Hatchack was kind of hacked.

[Zach Delanzo]

Hatch. Hatch act. Really?

[Michael Costa]

What's the movie?

[Zach Delanzo]

I saw this movie maybe a few months ago. Me and Kabuka, who's another producer here.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah.

[Zach Delanzo]

Went to see this Japanese movie called Cloud. It's sort of this, like, guy gets involved in this sort of like e Commerce scam and then these like, people sort of like, try to come to hurt him. And it. But it's very funny. It takes all sort of interesting turns.

[Michael Costa]

And that kind of is making me think of that weird Adam Sandler movie, Punch Drunk Love.

[Zach Delanzo]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Costa]

Where he. He gets like in.

[Zach Delanzo]

In over his head.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, over his head with this phone sex operator.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah.

[Michael Costa]

I need to get.

[Zach Delanzo]

I. I was like, did you. Have you seen One Battle after Another?

[Michael Costa]

No, but that's been on my list.

[Zach Delanzo]

I. I enjoyed that. I was gonna. I thought about making that my show and tell. Then I was like, everybody's sort of heard about that movie.

[Michael Costa]

So I like mo bad people. Like vigilante shit. Is that what I'm getting into? Because I do want to see it, people. I guess I like movies where someone does something wrong, even if it's small, like cuts an old lady in the grocery store and then someone gets to kill that person.

[Zach Delanzo]

It's not quite that, but it's. There are like. There is like people that are set up to be bad guys that eventually there's warring factions and stuff. And there is sort of like a polynomial political backdrop to it. I guess some people on the right are upset about because there's like a left wing revolutionaries thing, which actually there was this podcast, a great podcast about like the Weather Underground. Are you familiar with the Bill Ayers and like all these like, revolutionaries in the 60s who were like, bombing government buildings to protest the Vietnam War.

[Michael Costa]

And.

[Zach Delanzo]

Then, and then like living in The. This underground. There's. I forget. And I think the podcast is one of these people's kids made the podcast about their mom. Highly recommend. It's sort of a. There's so much American history you aren't taught in public school. And that was.

[Michael Costa]

That's true.

[Zach Delanzo]

Interesting. So that. That can be another one of my show and tell. And then there's a movie with Alan. Help me out. River Phoenix is in it, I believe. And it's about. And it's about, like, them living in the underground and this, like, young boy wants to. I think it's called Running on Empty. Okay, Running on Empty. Thank you, Alan. I'm amazed Alan's still there. That is also, like, is a fun companion watch to one battle after another. And an even funner companion piece to the Hatch act, which I also had.

[Michael Costa]

Wait, go back to the description of Running on Empty.

[Zach Delanzo]

They're living in the underground, and this teenage boy is sort of, like, dealing with, like, wanting to actually have his own life and not, like, running from the government.

[Michael Costa]

Okay. In 1971, Arthur and Annie Pope blew up a napalm lab to protest the war. Ever since, they've been on the run from the FBI. They choose their lives. Well, it's funny you say this, because I went to Vietnam and I went to the American War Museum, which is what they call it, by the way.

[Zach Delanzo]

You don't call it the Vietnam War no more.

[Michael Costa]

And that blew me away that it wasn't.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, No, I guess that makes sense.

[Michael Costa]

Right? Of course. It's called the American War. We were on their. Yeah, like, we showed up there. Yeah. And there is a really, really, really heart wrenching, extremely sad napalm exhibit. Oh, my God, it is wild. And after you see the pictures and the medical consequences and you think you're done with it. I mean, you're crying. You're watching. Like, you see.

[Zach Delanzo]

Or that our country did.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, it's so terrible that we, like, threw liquid fire on their crops, their homes, their kids. It's terrible. Then as you leave that exhibit, there's a bunch of napalm victims who are alive or are children of napalm victims. And they're all. They're all messed up physically. And they're standing there and they're.

[Zach Delanzo]

They're at the.

[Michael Costa]

They're at the thing. And, like, they're asking for donations. And they're also just there as, like, a final, like, see how fucked up this fucking real.

[Zach Delanzo]

And it happened not that long ago.

[Michael Costa]

Exactly. And, like, there's still birth defects that occur still, to this day.

[Zach Delanzo]

Wasn't there, like, Agent Orange?

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, Agent Orange, I think is what. Yeah. Anyways, positive thing to end this podcast on, but interesting, too.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, no, it is, it is. There is, like, when you're traveling and you, you know, I went to Germany, went to the Holocaust Museum, it is like, there's a certain, like, heaviness that. That you feel that you should engage with. Like, and. And you got to read the Hatch Act.

[Michael Costa]

I think you got to read the Hatch Act. No, but as a human, we need to be. We've. We do amazing things and we do terrible things and we. We need to cover both.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yeah, no, no. And. And it is like you feel like you're doing your due diligence to.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah.

[Zach Delanzo]

To, like, engage with these, like, insanely dark things.

[Michael Costa]

Yeah, insanely dark things. Anyways, I'm hosting next week, ladies and gentlemen. Won't be this dark.

[Zach Delanzo]

All right, that's our time, Costa. We learned a lot today. Let's save something for the actual show, though. I'm Zach delanzo.

[Michael Costa]

Hey, write some funny stuff. You always do. I always love. I always read the jokes and I go, that's a Zach joke.

[Zach Delanzo]

Yes. Thank you. So usually my initials are after it too.

[Michael Costa]

That's true. It does sound that you've signed it.

[Zach Delanzo]

Thanks, Costa. Thank you. Thank you, Walter. Thanks for all the help pre capping for us today. And yeah, check out the Daily show, hosted by Michael Costa this week.

[Michael Costa]

Thanks, everybody. Talk to you later.

[Zach Delanzo]

Bye.

[Michael Costa]

Explore more shows from the Daily show podcast universe by searching the Daily Show. Wherever you get your podcasts, watch the Daily show weeknights at 1110 Central on Comedy Central and stream full episodes anytime on Paris Paramount. Plus.

[Zach Delanzo]

This has been a Comedy Central podcast.

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