The Precap - Ronny Chieng on Escalator Conspiracies and Whether American Chaos is Fun

Summary

The Daily Show: Ears Edition

Episode: The Precap - Ronny Chieng on Escalator Conspiracies and Whether American Chaos is Fun
Host(s): Matt Koff (writer, The Daily Show), Ronny Chieng (comedian, guest host)
Date: September 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Daily Show: Ears Edition's "Precap" features a comedic yet thoughtful conversation between writer Matt Koff and guest host Ronny Chieng. The duo previews the upcoming week as Ronny prepares to host, riffing on current political chaos, Trump's ever-evolving stances, American fun and dysfunction, conspiracy theories, and the cultural quirks of both America and The Daily Show itself. Laced with sarcasm and sharp observations, the episode balances playful banter, social critique, and genuine perspectives on immigration, social media, and the news cycle.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Banter, Writer Stereotypes, and The Daily Show Culture

[01:05-02:33]

• Light-hearted debate over whether Matt Koff looks like a comedy writer: “You have a beard. You have glasses. You're wearing a goddamn hoodie.” – Ronny Chieng (02:14)
• Reflection on their longstanding working relationship and the “writer aura” at Daily Show.

2. Jimmy Kimmel, Game Shows, and Job Insecurity in Comedy

[02:47-06:05]

• Ronny shares anecdotes about being a guest on Jimmy Kimmel’s shows and “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire” with Jordan Klepper.
  • “Kimmel could probably win a million dollars every week… not just because they give him the answers. He’s actually a really smart guy.” – Ronny (03:12)
• Discuss comedic job instability:
  • “I didn’t get into comedy for job security… I'm basically a circus performer.” – Ronny (05:45)
  • “If I wanted job security, I would have stayed in law.” – Ronny (05:57)
  • Writers’ shifting perspectives with age: “Now I like job security because… I have a mortgage.” – Matt (06:23)

3. Trump’s Shifting Allegiances and American Political Chaos

[07:18-11:05]

• Trump’s alleged pivot to supporting Ukraine over Putin.
• Geopolitical basics according to Ronny: “You should be against the country that is not respecting someone’s borders.” (07:51)
• Immigrant perspective: Ronny’s dream of coming to America tempered by America’s increasing chaos.

4. Is America “Too Fun”? Chaos as an Export

[10:19-11:38]

• Matt: “I think America’s too fun… There’s nobody who’s more fun than America.” (10:22)
• Ronny and Matt reflect on America’s chaotic brand of fun, intensified by social media.
• How “the comment section” has overtaken American discourse—while cautioning not to confuse “being very online” (11:22) with real life.

5. Social Media’s Distortion & Over-Indexing American Failures

[11:14-13:15]

• Ronny argues that America’s willingness to air its own flaws is partly a sign of its freedoms, even as media and social media emphasize the negative.
  • “We over index on what’s wrong with America… you can’t do real geopolitical analysis without factoring in what’s going well in America.” (12:14)
• Ronny credits America’s vast “liquid capital” and relatively stable institutions.

6. Trump Fatigue, Comedy, and New Angles

[17:51-19:09]

• Covering Trump for a decade+: “Did you imagine… you’d be talking about one guy for 12 years of your life?” – Ronny citing producer Ian Berger (17:57)
• Trump as both a comedic goldmine and a national challenge. “I would take a functional country over an easy source of comedy any day.” – Ronny (18:19)
• “He really does function like a writer. He’s just pitching stuff to us. He’s great at improv.” – Ronny (18:53)

7. Escalator Conspiracies and UN Mishaps

[19:19-22:26]

• Ridiculing recent Trump mishaps at the UN: teleprompter failures, broken escalators.
  • “Not only does he do funny things, funny things happen to him. He attracts chaos.” – Matt (19:41)
• Joking about “conspiracy” to sabotage Trump.
• Tangent about the UN moving to Africa, with tongue-in-cheek banter about what’s “racist” to say about Africa (22:09-22:39).

8. Looming U.S. Government Shutdown & Taylor Swift

[24:48-26:19]

• Casual speculation over recurring government shutdown threats: “It’s always almost shutting down. There’s a normalcy to it now.” – Ronny (25:12)
• Ronny is prompted for excitement about Taylor Swift and her relationship (playfully indifferent).
• Anecdote from “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire” about the Kelsey brothers (Travis and Jason) being from Ohio (26:16).

9. Daily Show and Tell: Recipes & Life Recommendations

[27:29-32:56]

• Ronny champions a Paleo chili recipe from Nom Nom Paleo. Secret ingredient: “Vietnamese fish sauce.” (28:23)
• Matt confesses to eating instant miso soup at his desk, and Ronny ribs him for having “no palate.” (28:53)
• Discussion of matzah, constipation, and supportive food advice in the Daily Show writers’ room.
• Ronny’s recommendations for mental health: “Dumb phones and reading… Read books and get a dumb phone.” (31:01, 32:49)
  • Ronny praises The Three-Body Problem (sci-fi novel). “What’s interesting… I never realized how much sci fi was western-oriented… This [Chinese] sci-fi is written with a totally different philosophy.” (31:14–32:10)
  • “No one’s coming to save us, we’re all in this together.” – Ronny (32:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On job security in comedy:
  “I was never supposed to have job security. I’m basically a circus performer.”
  – Ronny Chieng (05:45)
• On America’s freedom to criticize itself:
  “We over index on what’s wrong with America… I don’t think we talk enough about what is okay here.”
  – Ronny Chieng (12:54)
• On Trump’s stamina as a comedy focus:
  “Did you imagine you’d be talking about one guy for 12 years of your life?”
  – Ronny Chieng (17:57)
• On Trump as comedy material:
  “He really does function like a writer. He’s just pitching stuff to us. He’s great at improv.”
  – Ronny Chieng (18:53)
• On American chaos:
  “Not only does he do funny things, funny things happen to him. He attracts chaos.”
  – Matt Koff (19:41)
• On cultural perspectives in sci-fi:
  “Western sci fi is very much… there’s a hero who has to save the universe… Chinese sci fi… very much like, hey, no one's coming to save us, we're all in this together.”
  – Ronny Chieng (32:10)
• On life advice:
  “Read books and get a dumb phone. Is my cure for the world right now, I think.”
  – Ronny Chieng (32:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Writer stereotypes & opening banter: 01:05–02:33
• Kimmel & “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire”: 02:47–06:05
• Trump’s pivot/Ukraine, American chaos: 07:18–11:05
• Societal pessimism, media distortion: 11:14–13:15
• Trump fatigue & “functioning as a writer”: 17:51–19:09
• Escalator conspiracy & UN mishaps: 19:19–22:26
• Government shutdown & Taylor Swift: 24:48–26:19
• Paleo chili, miso soup, matzah, daily life: 27:29–30:47
• Book and dumb phone recommendation: 31:00–32:56

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Tone and Style

Ronny and Matt’s chemistry blends dry humor, meta-commentary, and candid social critique. The episode maintains a distinctly irreverent, self-aware, and satirical tone, poking fun at American and pop cultural chaos while offering the kind of insight that comes from both loving and being exasperated by the country and business they’re in.

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Summary Takeaway

This Precap is both a breezy listen and a sharp reflection on American dysfunction, the mercurial nature of modern media cycles, and what it means to pursue a comedic life in turbulent times. Ronny’s outsider-insider view of America is especially poignant and funny, with the duo keeping things rolling from Trump’s endless newsworthiness to the secret ingredient in chili: “Read books, get a dumb phone, and learn to laugh at the chaos.”

Transcript

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[Matt Koff]

You're listening to Comedy Central. So we're. We're. This is it.

[Ronnie Chang]

I guess this is it.

[Matt Koff]

Okay. Hello. Hello. Hi, Ronnie.

[Ronnie Chang]

Can I say hi? Are you hosting this?

[Matt Koff]

I. I think I'm hosting it, but it's not an interview.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh. It's a conversation.

[Matt Koff]

I think this is a cold open.

[Ronnie Chang]

Okay.

[Matt Koff]

Okay. Hello.

[Ronnie Chang]

We're in the middle of a cold open.

[Matt Koff]

Shut up. Okay, now I drop the card. Hi, welcome to the pre cap, where we sit down with this week's Daily show host to talk and preview what's coming up and recap some of the news that we may have missed. I'm Matt Koff. I'm a writer here at the Daily show, and I am joined today by Mr. Ronnie Chang.

[Ronnie Chang]

Thank you. You look like a writer at a Daily Show.

[Matt Koff]

Well, I am. Good.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, you have. I don't know if you grew into this or you got hired because of this.

[Matt Koff]

Well, I mean, I can write. Sure.

[Ronnie Chang]

But you also look like you can write something.

[Matt Koff]

What does that mean?

[Ronnie Chang]

You know what I mean.

[Matt Koff]

I have a beard. I have glasses.

[Ronnie Chang]

You have a beard. You have glasses. You're wearing a goddamn hoodie.

[Matt Koff]

They gave this to me.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes. And you're wearing it. You're trying. You got a beard. Yes.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, I got a beard. So. Only writers have beards.

[Ronnie Chang]

You know what? You look like you're.

[Matt Koff]

You're.

[Ronnie Chang]

You're cultivating this image. You've been cultivating this image for, like, as long as I've known you.

[Matt Koff]

I don't. I don't know what you mean.

[Ronnie Chang]

Over 10 years you know what I mean?

[Matt Koff]

My beard grows on its own. I don't ask my beard to.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, but you look like a comedy writer, and you're.

[Matt Koff]

Can we just talk about the issues?

[Ronnie Chang]

Sure.

[Matt Koff]

Please.

[Ronnie Chang]

Sure.

[Matt Koff]

So Kimmel's back.

[Ronnie Chang]

Great.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

I love Kimmel.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Do you. Do you. Do you know him?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, I know him. He's always. He's.

[Matt Koff]

He's.

[Ronnie Chang]

I've been a guest on his show a few times. He's. He's honestly, a great guy, and he's super smart.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

By the way, like, when you're. I did who Wants to Be a Millionaire with Jordan Klepper.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, right.

[Ronnie Chang]

And Kimmel hosts that. And Kimmel, like, he can answer everything.

[Matt Koff]

Really?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes. If he did the who Wants to Be a Millionaire, he could probably win a million dollars every week. And not just because they give him the answers. He's actually really smart guy.

[Matt Koff]

My mom saw you and Jordan. She was, like, really surprised that you guys were. You did well, right?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. Wait, she was surprised that we were on it or surprised that we did well?

[Matt Koff]

That you did well.

[Ronnie Chang]

Okay.

[Matt Koff]

Well, I mean, you know, you never know.

[Ronnie Chang]

We should have done better.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, really?

[Ronnie Chang]

We should have done better if you watch what we did on it, which I guess you should, because it's me, Jordan, and Kimmel. So support freedom of speech and watch our who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

[Matt Koff]

Episode on Game Network.

[Ronnie Chang]

And we psyched ourselves out. We got pretty high up. And then we psyched ourselves out of the answer.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, wow.

[Ronnie Chang]

Which is frustrating because we knew the answer, but then we talked ourselves out of it.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

That's how we lost.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. So were you raising money for charity or something?

[Ronnie Chang]

I guess so. Yeah. Something. It wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't to me, which is a bummer.

[Matt Koff]

So you don't know. So you knew a lot of the answers, but you didn't know what you were raising money for?

[Ronnie Chang]

We knew, but we didn't really care. We were there to win this game.

[Matt Koff]

Okay. All right. Well, listen, Kimmel's back. Are you worried about the Daily Show? Are we allowed to. Can I ask that? Am I gonna get electric shocked if I ask the wrong question?

[Ronnie Chang]

Who are you talking to right now, by the way?

[Matt Koff]

I don't know. They just kind of forced me to. They said you have to grow a beard and you have to host this podcast.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right. I can't tell if your overlords are the Daily show or the FCC right now.

[Matt Koff]

Anyone who'll pay me and not kill me, that's my overlord.

[Ronnie Chang]

I think like, am I worried? I think I've. I. I don't even want to talk about this because I don't want to put this in the universe, but I. I have a strong suspicion that the President doesn't watch basic cable.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

And I'm not complaining about that.

[Matt Koff]

No, definitely.

[Ronnie Chang]

I. I think for him, TV is abc, NBC, cbs, and Fox.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

And everything else is like, what?

[Matt Koff]

It's kind of fun. So, like, we just kind of do whatever.

[Ronnie Chang]

Do whatever.

[Matt Koff]

And if he does find out about us, that kind of means we're doing really well.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

Because we've gone super viral.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. If he finds out about us, we'll do really well for another week. And then.

[Matt Koff]

Then that's it.

[Ronnie Chang]

And then that's it. But I do. I mean, tell me how you feel about this. Like, I feel like as much as, obviously, I'm a freedom of speech guy, being a comic and having chosen to come to America, but I also feel like we did not get into comedy for the job stability.

[Matt Koff]

Now. That's true.

[Ronnie Chang]

So when people are like, you worry about your job, I'm like, I was never supposed to have job security. I'm basically a circus performer.

[Matt Koff]

Sure. Exactly.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. So if I wanted job security, I would have stayed in law.

[Matt Koff]

That's right.

[Ronnie Chang]

So in a way. In a way, I just feel like we go as hard as we can every show, and then whatever happens, happens.

[Matt Koff]

And totally. Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

I don't know if you.

[Matt Koff]

I mean, I. I did not get into it for job security, but now I like job security because now I'm in my. I start. When I started out coming. I was in my 20s. I was like, I'm an artist.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes, you're.

[Matt Koff]

And now I'm like, I have a mortgage.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. You're in your 50s now.

[Matt Koff]

I'm in. I'm in my 70s now. And Social Security. Who knows how long it's gonna be around for?

[Ronnie Chang]

You look rough. Your before and after comedy photos, rough.

[Matt Koff]

You know, you have photos of me before I did comedy.

[Ronnie Chang]

If we did a before and after.

[Matt Koff]

When I started here, I looked way younger, and it's. It's been a little over 10 years.

[Ronnie Chang]

It's been a deterioration, for sure.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Oh, since you've been here.

[Ronnie Chang]

Since I've been here, it's been a deterioration.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. You look exactly the same.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, thank you.

[Matt Koff]

May look better, but as long as you're gonna stand by the insult for me, that's fine. I won't take it personally. No.

[Ronnie Chang]

Well, freedom of speech people here.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Right. We can just hurt People's feelings. That's why we're. That's the American way.

[Ronnie Chang]

That's the American way. We hurt people's feelings. And if you cry, we yell at you for not supporting freedom of speech.

[Matt Koff]

Exactly. It's great.

[Ronnie Chang]

It's great.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Okay, so Trump, we can't just have a conversation. We have to talk about important things, I guess. You can't just sit here and insult me for the entire, you know.

[Ronnie Chang]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Matt Koff]

All right. So how do you feel about, like, Trump just switching teams now? He hates Putin.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, he hates Putin now?

[Matt Koff]

Now he hates Putin.

[Ronnie Chang]

Or does he hate Putin? Or is he just saying that Ukraine should win now before he's on Team Ukraine now. He's on Team Ukraine now.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. It's hard to keep up with.

[Ronnie Chang]

I think the logical geopolitical stance should be respecting people's borders. So, yeah, you should probably respect. I think you should be on the side of the country who's. You should be against the country that is not respecting someone's borders. I think it's a very basic.

[Matt Koff]

So you support Ukraine?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, I guess.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Okay, so him switching over, I guess, is a good thing, right?

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Here's what I want to know as some. You're not from here. That's no secret. You're not from America.

[Ronnie Chang]

Please don't say that into the microphone.

[Matt Koff]

You're. Okay, I don't want to summon ice. You are from America.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. Don't summon ice here.

[Matt Koff]

Okay, fine.

[Ronnie Chang]

Summon ice into this podcast and they'll be very different. Podcast?

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, I'll call them off.

[Ronnie Chang]

Imagine 20 minutes of this episode is when negotiating with ICE.

[Matt Koff]

That. Oh, that'd be a great podcast. That would be like podcast history. Do you. Are you. How do you feel about Trump? Are you just. Because I feel like if you're not from here, maybe he affects you a little less emotionally.

[Ronnie Chang]

No, no, I think that's not it. I think for me, I've been. I have aspired to come to America for 20 years of my life. 13 years of my life. I left when I was seven and it took me until I was 30 to come back. So what is that? 13 years and so that long of wanting to come back and wanting to come back to do comedy and getting to do it. Actually getting to come back to America and be on the Daily show and do stand up comedy. So for me, I always viewed America with rose tinted glasses and I always excused a lot of its flaws because I just felt like the pros outweigh the cons or it was Part of your dream. It's part of my dream also. Maybe there's an idea of, like, hey, I like it because of the show business. I like Back to the Future. I like Michael Jordan. I liked Ninja Turtles. I didn't. I wasn't supporting the Iraq war. You know what I mean? And it's very convenient for me to obviously, like, disassociate that. But that's my point is that what I like about America wasn't. That wasn't the war stuff, it was the pop culture that would be weird. And it's the industry I joined. So I always kind of viewed it from that lens. And this year, it has been tough justifying. It's been a little tough justifying. Why?

[Matt Koff]

You know, I think America is too fun.

[Ronnie Chang]

It is very fun.

[Matt Koff]

I think that's the problem. We have a fun president.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

We're fun. There's nobody who's more fun than America. Right.

[Ronnie Chang]

I'm trying to like.

[Matt Koff]

Like, culturally, you know.

[Ronnie Chang]

Well, we're very chaotic fun. Chaotic fun.

[Matt Koff]

I mean, that's the problem. It's like two sides of the same coin.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes. Chaotic.

[Matt Koff]

Reason that you wanted to come here is like, the same reason. Everything is, like, fucked up. Like. Well, it's just like. It's like. It's. We're a country that ate too much sugar.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't come here for the chaos, but I've learned to embrace it.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

I did come here for the fun, but not necessarily chaotic fun.

[Matt Koff]

Right.

[Ronnie Chang]

But I guess I take your point. I think. I think the American fun did not used to be this chaotic until the last five years or so.

[Matt Koff]

I think it's social media. I think social media, it's taken on the. Everything boil over. It's just crazy.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes. I think the. Look, we're not coming out with new takes here.

[Matt Koff]

No, no, no.

[Ronnie Chang]

Social media is bad. I think the country has taken on this Persona of the section.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Too much.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

You know, and it's like, we shouldn't be the comment section. And I actually don't believe America actually is the comment section. I think, if I can say something in defense of America, is that I think we. A lot of us are too online and we take. We take the Internet to be the reality of America when it really isn't.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, definitely.

[Ronnie Chang]

You know, there's a lot of. There's a lot of that happens on the Internet that we assume is American, but it's actually not totally. You know, I mean, and not only is it from not American sources, some of it's not even human sources.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Some of it is just AI bots trying to cause.

[Matt Koff]

Stirring up shit.

[Ronnie Chang]

Stir up shit. And then the other aspect, if you really want to have some perspective, is that, like, I think in America we tend to over index on what's wrong with America because we have this freedom of speech and freedom of press for the most part. And we have these journalism institutions that report on America and how bad it's doing.

[Matt Koff]

Right.

[Ronnie Chang]

And I think profit from that. Right. And I think we over index on what is wrong with America a lot of the times. And I think if you want to actual. Do an actual serious geopolitical analysis of this country compared to other countries, you can't do that without factoring in what is going well in America and also what's going badly in other countries as well. But because of the nature of our conversations and the Internet and whatever, we just talk about what's bad here and what's great overseas and. And we. I don't think we talk enough about what is okay here. Like, you know, the liquid capital that exists in America is. Is insane. I think the GDP of America is like, bigger than the next five countries or something. Don't quote me on that.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, yeah, there's something huge. Military.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

Well, I mean, that's good.

[Ronnie Chang]

Sure.

[Matt Koff]

I mean, I'm not saying it's good, like we shouldn't use it.

[Ronnie Chang]

Sure.

[Matt Koff]

But I mean, we can afford it. That's good.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right.

[Matt Koff]

And I mean, a lot of Americans are poor. Sure.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right Again, here we go over indexing on what's wrong with you.

[Matt Koff]

I'm sorry. America's fine. We're doing great.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. So there's a lot that is going well here as an immigrant. That's my perspective.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, 100%. I mean, I just. It's just interesting because I'm like, I'm writing for you, we're talking about Trump, and I'm feeling embarrassed.

[Ronnie Chang]

For the country.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, for the country. As I'm writing for you. And I'm like, I don't necessarily know. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes.

[Matt Koff]

That was why it was a little bit hard, like writing for Trevor, because I have all these emotional feelings about Trump and like, oh, God, we elected this guy.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes.

[Matt Koff]

And then I'm running for a host who's not American. Your perspective must be like, wow, this is interesting. It just may not hit you in the same.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, well, you're not wrong.

[Matt Koff]

Just humiliate.

[Ronnie Chang]

No, no, you're not wrong about that. Because being a, Being an immigrant who chose to be here. I need to.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, that's true. Maybe you're dumber.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

You shouldn't have come here.

[Ronnie Chang]

I shouldn't have come here.

[Matt Koff]

I want to leave. You want to be here?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, I want to be here.

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[Matt Koff]

Yeah, so listen, Tylenol, what is the thing with it? Like you're like, oh, now he has a problem with Tylenol. And then I'm just like, well, why Tylenol didn't give him campaign money. I mean that's. There can't be much more than that. Right? It's all about money, I think.

[Ronnie Chang]

I don't know if it's that simple. I think it's multifactorial, but all the factors are dumb. I don't think there's anything smart about it. I just think the people in charge of the health. What's it called? The Secretary of health.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. RFK Jr.

[Ronnie Chang]

He has a really anti science view of the world.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, definitely. Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

And of science. And so he has this weird agenda of trying to connect dots that don't exist.

[Matt Koff]

Sure, yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Specifically between pharmaceuticals and. And I guess autism.

[Matt Koff]

Autism, yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

And so he just loves any excuse to be like this causes autism. He loves to find a cause for autism.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, there's that, but then there's like, Trump just kind of goes along with it.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, he goes along.

[Matt Koff]

Not only he really went, you know, Tylenol pretty hard.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

Which makes me think that. Yes. There's the RFK autism thing.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes.

[Matt Koff]

But then there's like, I got the sense from how many times he's like, don't take Tylenol. That there's some personal vendetta. Like, maybe he had herpes in the 80s and he took Tylenol. It just didn't work. And he's like, I'm going to get you Tylenol.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right. Yeah. I think he. I. I think someone told him, well, RFK Jr. Told him. This is my take.

[Matt Koff]

Right.

[Ronnie Chang]

And I think for some reason Trump is like, yeah, okay, I'll sell this thing. Let's go. And then he just.

[Matt Koff]

It can only good happen.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. Yeah. It's very bizarre. But. But also. Is it more. It's. It's par for the course.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, sure, right.

[Ronnie Chang]

It's as bizarre as anything. Is that. Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

It reminded me of the bleach thing from the first turn.

[Ronnie Chang]

The bleach thing.

[Matt Koff]

He just loves to get up and spew misinformation.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. About health and.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Yeah. He likes to play doctor, too. It's kind of funny.

[Ronnie Chang]

And I don't know what the. I don't know how. Stop it. I mean, it's. It's.

[Matt Koff]

Well, it's not your job to stop.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right.

[Matt Koff]

We're on basic cable.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. No, well, I mean, not my job. I don't know what anyone can do about it. You kind of have to ignore it a bit, I guess.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think if you're half the country, hopefully more, you will ignore it.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right.

[Matt Koff]

I just. I get worried about people who are just like, well, he's the president, so what he's saying is. Right.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

Like, you know, I just. I don't know how many people have critical thinking skills, but based on the fact that he got in again, I'm guessing not too many.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes.

[Matt Koff]

Does it get old covering Trump for you? You wish that we talked about that was more.

[Ronnie Chang]

The producer here, Ian Berger, had a great take on that. He was like, did you imagine we'd be talking about. When you started doing comedy, did you imagine you would be talking about one guy for 12 years of life?

[Matt Koff]

Exactly. One guy. And.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. So does it get old? Yeah, In a way of, like, I wish we didn't have to.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Talk about this. And I. I would take a functional country over a, you know, easy source of comedy any day. Does it get old? Yes. And then does he always find new angles? Yeah, he always finds a new angle on.

[Matt Koff]

It does feel like he's working for us in a certain way. He's like, I'm gonna bring an RFK this season. I'm gonna hire.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, this will be a great, like six months of material.

[Matt Koff]

Exactly. It's just he really does function like a writer.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

He's just pitching stuff to us.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yes. He's great at improv. Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

I would say no teleprompter at the un.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, no problem. Yeah, no, no teleprompter. No problem. He's great at Persuasion.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Very persuasive person. And he's great at stand up. He's. Yeah, it's.

[Matt Koff]

He is. He is a master at stand up. Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Doesn't now wherever he. He beats Josh Johnson. I mean, in terms of prolific.

[Matt Koff]

Barely. Yeah, yeah. But he has a lot of followers. Yeah, sure.

[Ronnie Chang]

You went. Yeah, he went to the UN as well. Trump went to the un.

[Matt Koff]

Trump went to the UN and talked.

[Ronnie Chang]

A bunch of shit.

[Matt Koff]

Talked a bunch of shit. The escalator didn't work.

[Ronnie Chang]

Escalating work. A lot of stuff broke down when he was on it.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Which is kind of funny.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, I think it's funny. That's the thing. Not only does he do funny things, funny things happen to him.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

He attracts chaos.

[Ronnie Chang]

He attracts chaos. I mean, things kept breaking at the UN and now there's the conspiracy of like, was it. Was it orchestrated or was it just things that you and I really dysfunctional.

[Matt Koff]

No, I know. And also it's like after he's been shot at and all these things, who cares if the escalator isn't right? It's a little dehghtening.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right.

[Matt Koff]

Like, I'm like, oh, we found the guy who pressed the button.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. It's tough to beat getting shot at.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

If he climbed the non working escalator and had a heart attack.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

Then. Then we're back in.

[Ronnie Chang]

That would be territory.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. I mean, he went to un, Teleprompter broke, escalator broke.

[Matt Koff]

And then something else broke my faith in humanity.

[Ronnie Chang]

So do you think this was orchestrated or.

[Matt Koff]

I bet there's like some guy who's just like, well, I'm just gonna fuck with him a little bit.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right.

[Matt Koff]

Who wouldn't take that chance?

[Ronnie Chang]

Right.

[Matt Koff]

You know, give him some gum and his teeth get all black.

[Ronnie Chang]

Well, the other thing is, he was there talking shit about the UN as well. Right?

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

So it's like, you know, if you're gonna poke the bear, you know, we're gonna be all right.

[Matt Koff]

Well, you know what I think it is?

[Ronnie Chang]

What?

[Matt Koff]

The ghost of Jeffrey Epstein coming back. He lived on the east side, not far from.

[Ronnie Chang]

He lives on the east side.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, the ghost of Jeffrey.

[Matt Koff]

You never been to Jeff Epstein's apartment?

[Ronnie Chang]

No. Oh, yeah, I've never been.

[Matt Koff]

It was great, but a lot of wine.

[Ronnie Chang]

But why would he fuck with Trump? They were like friends.

[Matt Koff]

Well, now Trump is like, oh, I never knew the guy. He means nothing to me.

[Ronnie Chang]

Right. This is his, like, stop denying our friendship.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, he's probably in hell, you know Epstein, right. Just like hearing all this mean things.

[Ronnie Chang]

He managed to get out of hell to fucking fuck with Trump in the un.

[Matt Koff]

Who? I. Listen, I don't know. I'm not. I don't even believe in God. So I don't know. But.

[Ronnie Chang]

All right, so, so, yeah, the. But. But the America, the last couple years has been very anti un.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

And America was the one that started the UN.

[Matt Koff]

I know.

[Ronnie Chang]

So, yeah, I think the UN's moving to Africa.

[Matt Koff]

Right?

[Ronnie Chang]

I read somewhere that.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, no, that's true.

[Ronnie Chang]

They're moving out of New York. I mean, yeah, I hate to see them go, but like at the same time I'm like, yeah, New York doesn't need you guys.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Do they know, like, is it. Is it the high plains? Like, hopefully it'll be like good climate circumstances for the un. You know, parts of Africa are not as hospitable.

[Ronnie Chang]

You about to say something racist. Let's go.

[Matt Koff]

What? That part of Africa is a desert. That's racist?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, I think it feels racist.

[Matt Koff]

Parts of America are a desert.

[Ronnie Chang]

It feels racist. Hey, you know what? As A New Yorker, 10 years now, this is my 10 year anniversary at the Daily show and 10 year anniversary in New York. I think I can call myself a New Yorker. Hate to see it. Love the un, what it stands for. We don't need a traffic here.

[Matt Koff]

That's true.

[Ronnie Chang]

Let's go.

[Matt Koff]

Africa. Is it racist to say has a lot of space?

[Ronnie Chang]

That is racist.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Anything you say about Africa is racist. Yes.

[Matt Koff]

It's great even that I let every.

[Ronnie Chang]

Single person that is condescending and therefore a low risk.

[Matt Koff]

Condescending? Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Be like everybody from Africa. You don't hate one person.

[Matt Koff]

I don't hate one person from Africa.

[Ronnie Chang]

No. Not even one person.

[Matt Koff]

I haven't met our criminals.

[Ronnie Chang]

What about African criminals?

[Matt Koff]

They deserve another shot.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, wow. Okay. That's condescending.

[Matt Koff]

Why is that condescending?

[Ronnie Chang]

Because you're saying that.

[Matt Koff]

Lock him up. Throw away the key. That's good.

[Ronnie Chang]

I mean, you have that, then.

[Matt Koff]

Then I'm incarcerated. No, this is not. This is not.

[Ronnie Chang]

I'm trying to. I'm trying to get. Get him in trouble.

[Matt Koff]

What is this? This is a pre cap. This is not.

[Ronnie Chang]

I know. I don't even know what to do.

[Matt Koff]

We're not indicting him.

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[Matt Koff]

All right, enough living in the past, Ronnie. You're hosting the Daily show this week for I think. Is it the first time? No. You've done it before.

[Ronnie Chang]

What the fuck?

[Matt Koff]

So, yeah, there's a lot of news. There's a government shutdown that's looming on the 30th. That's tomorrow. Tuesday.

[Ronnie Chang]

Okay.

[Matt Koff]

Do you know anything about that? The government, it's always almost shutting down.

[Ronnie Chang]

It's always almost shutting down.

[Matt Koff]

That's one way of phrasing it.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

It's almost always shutting down. That's bad.

[Ronnie Chang]

It is bad. But there's a normalcy to it now, I think. Also, don't the Republicans control every branch of government?

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, they do.

[Ronnie Chang]

So how can it shut down?

[Matt Koff]

I guess if Democrats put up a fight, I don't know. It's not gonna shut down.

[Ronnie Chang]

Anyway, what's the other thing that's happening this week?

[Matt Koff]

Taylor Swift is going to release a new album. A new album.

[Ronnie Chang]

Good for her.

[Matt Koff]

Have you ever met her?

[Ronnie Chang]

No.

[Matt Koff]

Okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

No.

[Matt Koff]

No. Are you excited for her and Travis?

[Ronnie Chang]

Sure.

[Matt Koff]

Mm. Can you just say.

[Ronnie Chang]

Say something.

[Matt Koff]

Say a nice message to them in the camera.

[Ronnie Chang]

Love Taylor Swift. Love, Travis.

[Matt Koff]

Okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

Travis was a question in the who wants to be a millionaire?

[Matt Koff]

Oh, really?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

Did you get it right?

[Ronnie Chang]

We. Yeah, we took a while, but yeah, we got it right. It took some deliberating, but we got it right.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

The question was, where is the. Where. Where are the Kelsey brothers From what state? Took a while. Took a while to get them.

[Matt Koff]

But what state?

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, we figure out Ohio.

[Matt Koff]

Ohio.

[Ronnie Chang]

Ohio.

[Matt Koff]

How did you figure?

[Ronnie Chang]

You phoned a friend because they were white and we were like, ohio is the white. Yeah. And yeah, yeah, we nailed it.

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[Matt Koff]

Okay, now we're going to do segment we call the daily show and tell what's something you've watched, read, listened to, argued about, or has just been on your mind lately? Maybe like a recipe. Do you have any good recipes?

[Ronnie Chang]

Such a weird pivot. Well, good recipes. I found a great Paleo chili recipe.

[Matt Koff]

Okay, that's great.

[Ronnie Chang]

Shout out to Nom Nom Paleo.

[Matt Koff]

Nom Nom Paleo.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. Look for this chili recipe. It's in a slow cooker. Slow cooker. Pressure cooker. Pressure cooker. And it's Paleo, so there's no processed carbohydrates or anything in it.

[Matt Koff]

And what's different from that, from, like, regular chili?

[Ronnie Chang]

I don't know. I don't know how it. I don't know why it's so good, but it just tastes way better. Like, everyone I've made it for loves it. The secret ingredient, apparently, is Vietnamese fish sauce.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, okay. Interesting.

[Ronnie Chang]

But it's just, like, a dash. I don't know. All right, so check out everything. Yeah, it changed everything. Check out Nom Nom Paleo chili, please. All right, you want to eat a bit healthy, and you want a simple meal. That's one pot.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, I love a one pot.

[Ronnie Chang]

One pot pressure cooker.

[Matt Koff]

You know, I've been eating a lot of miso soup.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Koff]

It's very easy. Like, you just make it at your desk.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, you do instant miso?

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oof.

[Matt Koff]

It's fine.

[Ronnie Chang]

Sure.

[Matt Koff]

I. I can't tell the difference between that and, like, getting it at the restaurant.

[Ronnie Chang]

Oh, okay. You have no palate.

[Matt Koff]

I have no palate.

[Ronnie Chang]

Okay.

[Matt Koff]

Which I could eat dog shit.

[Ronnie Chang]

What's that? What's the Jewish biscuit that's really dry that I ate? I ate some recently.

[Matt Koff]

Are you talking about matzah?

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah, matzah. I had that for the first time.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

What, you think I was addicted to it?

[Matt Koff]

You were addicted to matza? Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

I couldn't stop eating it. And then.

[Matt Koff]

Was there crack on it?

[Ronnie Chang]

No, it was just matzah with nothing on it. And Dan Rash was like, hey, you gotta, like, you know, this is not gonna come out of your body. Well, and I didn't know that.

[Matt Koff]

He said it's not gonna come out of your body.

[Ronnie Chang]

Well, yeah, he said it's very dry, and so it gives you constipation or something. I don't know.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

Is that true? I don't know.

[Matt Koff]

I mean, not every Jew knows about constipation.

[Ronnie Chang]

What about matzah?

[Matt Koff]

I know a ton about matzah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. So you.

[Matt Koff]

It's unleavened bread. I don't know. How much matzah? Daniel Rados is eating the fact that, like, he's getting serious digestive problems.

[Ronnie Chang]

Well, no, he was telling me. He was telling me because I was going to town on this matzah. Oh, you were in the writers. I was like, well, no, no, I was like Cookie Monster with this matzah. He was like, hey, just letting you know, like, you know, you. You should probably watch out for the. How it. You know.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Don't overdo it.

[Matt Koff]

It's a very supportive workplace here at the Daily Show.

[Ronnie Chang]

There you go. You eating. You drinking miso soup? I'm eating matzah.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. I mean, why can't the world be like this?

[Ronnie Chang]

But we are like this.

[Matt Koff]

The world.

[Ronnie Chang]

We are like this. The world is like this. The Internet is not.

[Matt Koff]

You think one day everyone will just be drinking so many months, getting constipated together.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah.

[Matt Koff]

And then drinking too much miso soup and then having diarrhea. Do you really think that world is possible?

[Ronnie Chang]

That world? We live in that world right now.

[Matt Koff]

All right. I don't know. I don't believe it.

[Ronnie Chang]

What do you mean? You're living it.

[Matt Koff]

I am. Yeah. No, I am. We are.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. You don't think other people in the world are doing the same thing?

[Matt Koff]

No, it doesn't feel that way. It feels like we are a nation divided.

[Ronnie Chang]

Instagram. You gotta delete Instagram.

[Matt Koff]

Instagram.

[Ronnie Chang]

That's my. You wreck something. I recommend this. Dumb phones.

[Matt Koff]

That's dumb phones.

[Ronnie Chang]

Dumb phones and reading.

[Matt Koff]

Okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

Read books and get a dumb phone.

[Matt Koff]

Any books?

[Ronnie Chang]

Sure. I read. This is a while ago. I read. I read Three Body Problem. Sci fi.

[Matt Koff]

Okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

Very, very life changing. Dare I say, believe the hype. It's a great sci fi series. I don't want to spoil anything, but what's interesting about Three Body Problems, they made into a series. And we had Rosalind Chow from the show on Netflix on the show as a guest. But I read the book before I watched the TV show. Both are great. The book. I never realized how much of sci fi for me was western sci fi oriented. I just assumed that was what sci fi was. And this is sci fi written by a Chinese guy in China. And you can tell this different philosophy. And I don't think this is spoiling anything in the book, but western sci fi is very much. There's a hero who has to save the universe most of the time. At its core, this Chinese sci fi, this particular one anyway, is very much like, hey, no one's coming to save us. We're all in this Together.

[Matt Koff]

Oh, wow.

[Ronnie Chang]

It was a very interesting. Yeah, it was a very interesting change of perspective, you know, and when you read Three Body Problem, you can tell that it's. It's not written by an American in a good way. And Neil Brennan read it and told me he did. He couldn't believe a human being wrote it.

[Matt Koff]

Oh.

[Ronnie Chang]

That's how like.

[Matt Koff]

But there is a protagonist. Like somebody you identify.

[Ronnie Chang]

There's a few protagonists. It's written from different perspectives.

[Matt Koff]

Okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

So it's not just one guy for three books.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah. Okay.

[Ronnie Chang]

There's time skips. There's different people coming in and out. The overall themes are there. Us. It's. It's great.

[Matt Koff]

It's a three body problem.

[Ronnie Chang]

Yeah. So read books and get a dumb phone.

[Matt Koff]

Okay. Yeah.

[Ronnie Chang]

Is my. Is my cure for the world right now, I think.

[Matt Koff]

Okay, great.

[Ronnie Chang]

No one's gotta listen to that, so.

[Matt Koff]

Yeah, I mean, do you think anyone's actually still listening to this?

[Ronnie Chang]

No, no, we stopped that when you said Africa.

[Matt Koff]

Ronnie, you've been a wonderful guest.

[Ronnie Chang]

Thank you for having me on your podcast.

[Matt Koff]

And I've been a wonderful guest because I don't host this podcast.

[Ronnie Chang]

Okay, so who is. Who is hosting?

[Matt Koff]

I don't know, but the door locks from the outside. If you want more Ronnie hot takes, I think you're just gonna have to watch the frickin Daily show, please. Thank you, Ronnie.

[Ronnie Chang]

Thank you, Matt. Cough.

[Matt Koff]

That's right. You're welcome.

[Ronnie Chang]

Thank you, Daily Show.

[Matt Koff]

Thank you, Daily Show.

[Ronnie Chang]

Thank you, Buddha.

[Matt Koff]

Thank you, Jesus.

[Ronnie Chang]

Thank you, America.

[Matt Koff]

Thank you, America Ferreira.

[Ronnie Chang]

Explore more shows from the Daily show podcast universe by searching the Daily Show. Wherever you get your podcasts, watch the Daily show weeknights at 1110 Central on Comedy Central and stream full episodes anytime on Paramount.

[Matt Koff]

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