The Precap | Ronny Chieng on Trump vs. Pope, and Moon Mission Optimism

Summary

The Daily Show: Ears Edition — The Precap | Ronny Chieng on Trump vs. Pope, and Moon Mission Optimism

Date: April 13, 2026
Host: Kat Radley
Guest Host: Ronny Chieng

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Precap" offers a humorous, incisive run-through of a chaotic week in global and U.S. news, after a spring break hiatus. Kat Radley and this week’s Daily Show host, Ronny Chieng, dissect headlines including Trump’s Iran saber-rattling, ongoing Middle East tensions, Melania Trump’s bizarre Epstein denial, optimism around the latest moon mission, Mayor Eric Adams’ new Albanian citizenship, America’s air traffic controller crisis (and gamer recruitment), and the evolving Trump vs. Pope Leo drama. The hosts close with their trademark “Show and Tell” pop culture picks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up After “Doom Week” (1:14–3:40)

• The team returns from a week off only to find the news cycle in overdrive.
• Kat jokes about missing just two days and needing to Google “Are we going to nuke Iran?”
• “There is almost too much that we’ve missed.” (Kat, 1:34)

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2. Trump’s Threats Against Iran (1:49–8:28)

• Trump’s Easter Sunday Truth Social threat to “end civilization” (widely interpreted as Iran) sets off international panic.
• Ronny and Kat parse the typical “don’t take him at his word” defense.
• The situation escalates to U.S. naval blockading and failed peace talks led by J.D. Vance.
• Pakistan unexpectedly emerges as a peace broker, declaring a ceasefire, even as tensions simmer.
• Israel’s ongoing attacks on Lebanon add layers to the Middle East complexity.
• “He has this pattern where if he were to just do nothing, everything would have been fine.” (Kat, 5:20)
• “Ours [civilization] is looking down the barrel.” (Ronny, 2:54)
• The co-hosts liken the news cycle to a grotesque “layer cake”—with the Iran crisis its top layer, and Epstein files perennially beneath.

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3. Moon Mission Optimism (9:41–15:01)

• The recent lunar mission provides rare collective joy and optimism for Americans.
• Ronny, a self-described NASA nerd, highlights America’s aspirational side.
• They reflect on the technological leaps since Apollo and the existential perspective astronauts share.
• Kat voices classic skepticism: “We’re destroying Earth, why not invest here instead of space?” prompting Ronny to quote Obama: “A lot of the issues we have are political, not technical.” (14:12)
• “Watching NASA at work is watching America’s best.” (Ronny, 10:14)
• “Four people were cured. Four astronauts were cured of hatred. So we just gotta keep doing that...eventually we’ll get to everyone on Earth.” (Ronny, 13:30)

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4. The Never-Ending Epstein Files & Melania’s Odd Denial (15:01–18:41)

• Melania Trump unexpectedly issues a formal denial of ties to Jeffrey Epstein—surprising everyone since no one was accusing her.
• The formal speech only stokes more speculation and internet theories about her motive.
• “This reeks of everyone saying, 'You don’t have to do this,' and her going, 'No, this is the right thing to do.'” (Ronny, 17:19)
• Ronny lampoons the Trump world as a place where every move only deepens the intrigue.

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5. NYC Mayor Eric Adams Gets Albanian Citizenship (18:51–22:24)

• Eccentric update: Eric Adams receives Albanian citizenship, prompting the hosts to discuss the optics (“evading prosecution?”).
• Admiration for new NYC leadership and a nostalgic rundown of New York’s best mayors (LaGuardia, “prime Giuliani”).
• LaGuardia’s hands-on style: “He would go on the back of trucks and fill potholes.” (Ronny, 20:39)
• Light banter about pothole-filling sprees and city infrastructure.

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6. America’s Air Traffic Controller Shortage—Gamer Recruitment (22:25–26:54)

• FAA attempts to solve controller shortages by recruiting gamers—logic being rapid multitasking and screen focus.
• Ronny jokes about the stress equivalence: “It’s like Call of Duty, except if you lose, people die.” (Ronny, 25:14)
• The serious disconnect between America’s dependence on flying and its inability to adequately support the industry’s backbone.
• Both marvel at the U.S. flying culture—“The country that invented flying can’t figure out air traffic control.” (Ronny, 26:47)
• Riff on airlines chipping in to resolve the issue and the cultural pride around air travel.

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7. Trump vs. Pope Leo: Holy Smackdown (28:12–36:01)

• A brewing feud: Trump posts an AI image of himself as Jesus; Pope Leo (the first American Pope, from Chicago) requests peace and is met with insults.
• Ronny envisions a “UFC: White House” between Trump and the Pope, calling it “the Antichrist vs. the representative of Jesus.”
• The culture-war confusion for Christian conservatives, especially non-Catholics: Do they side with Trump or the Pope?
• “It’s alien vs. predator for me, anyway.” (Ronny, 29:17)
• The hosts analyze Trump’s inflammatory behavior, AI art mockery, and the limits of “tribal” loyalty in religious circles.
• “Objectively, anyone who claims to be Christian should not be supporting really anything he’s doing right now.” (Kat, 35:38)
• The bit about Pope Leo running for President in 2028: “There’s no rule that says dogs can’t play basketball.” (Kat, 31:55)

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8. Other Noteworthy Topics

• Tax Day & Protest Movements (36:08–37:41):
  • Kat considers but declines to protest taxes (concerned about legal consequences).
  • Discussion on the contradiction of “patriotic” right-wingers refusing to pay taxes.
  • “If you love your country, wouldn’t you want to pay tax to your country?” (Ronny, 37:01)
• Show and Tell Segment (38:46–44:50):
  • Ronny: Charming but empty Rochester visit, cigar bar chat, and picking up a thick book on the 1992 election.
    • Emphasizes the value of “real life” conversations: “Talking to people face-to-face will renew your faith in the country and the people.” (Ronny, 40:57)
  • Kat: Gushes about newly-discovered reality show The Traitors (especially the Australian season), calling it “good shit.” Ronny’s friend, Eric Nam, features on the U.S. version.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump’s Iran Escalation:
  “I guess that’s how we do geopolitics now. We tweet about annihilating our enemies.”
  — Ronny Chieng (2:58)

• On Melania & Epstein:
  “The number one reaction is, what are you talking about? No one even was thinking this until you said this.”
  — Kat Radley (15:28)

• On Moonshot Optimism:
  “Watching NASA at work is watching America’s best when it’s being aspirational and inspirational.”
  — Ronny Chieng (10:14)

• On Trump vs. Pope Drama:
  “This is literally Jesus vs. who you think is Jesus.”
  — Kat Radley (29:05)
  “It’s a good matchup: the representative of Jesus on Earth, versus, you know, the Antichrist.”
  — Ronny Chieng (29:05)

• On Air Traffic Controller Recruitment:
  “It’s a video game, except if you lose, people die.”
  — Ronny Chieng (25:14)

• On America’s Culture:
  “You can go to the moon and we can’t figure out air traffic control?”
  — Ronny Chieng (26:47)

• On the Real America:
  “Talking to people face to face is often the cure for what is ailing us right now.”
  — Ronny Chieng (40:57)

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Important Timestamps

• [1:14] Precap open; returning from hiatus
• [1:49–8:28] Iran crisis, Trump’s threats, and geopolitics unraveled
• [9:41–15:01] Lunar mission optimism and cultural meaning
• [15:01–18:41] Melania’s Epstein denial and internet fallout
• [18:51–22:24] Eric Adams’ Albanian citizenship and NYC mayor history
• [22:25–26:54] Air traffic controller crisis; FAA’s gamer campaign
• [28:12–36:01] Trump vs. Pope Leo, religious and political culture clash
• [36:08–37:41] Tax Day, protest, and patriotic contradictions
• [38:46–44:50] Show and Tell: Rochester, thick books, cigars, and reality TV

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Tone & Style

Throughout, the tone is witty, irreverent, and deeply skeptical of both political spectacle and the absurdities of the news cycle. Ronny’s dry observations and Kat’s sharp asides keep things moving, with plenty of Daily Show-style sarcasm skewering both sides.

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For Listeners: Why Tune In?

If you missed the week’s headlines or simply want a dose of levity amid the maelstrom, this Precap delivers sharp analysis, incisive jokes, and some much-needed reminders to unplug, look up at the stars—and maybe fill a few potholes while you’re at it.

Transcript

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[Kat Radley]

Hello and welcome to the Pre Cap, a daily show podcast where we sit down with this week's host to recap some of the latest news and preview what's coming up next. I'm Kat Radley. I'm a writer here at the show, and I'm joined today by your host this week, Ronny Chang.

[Ronny Chang]

Stay hydrated.

[Kat Radley]

This for context. We're coming in after a week off. We had a spring break hiatus week. And what a week to not doing shows. There is almost too much that we've missed.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

So let's get into. I mean, just the tip of the iceberg. Trump threatened to end the Iranian civilization casually on Truth Social.

[Ronny Chang]

This is kind of old news, Kat. This was last week.

[Kat Radley]

I'm just catching us up.

[Ronny Chang]

I know, but this. Five things happened after this. But yes, sure, yes, he did threaten to end civilization on Easter. To be fair to him, he didn't mention what civilization heavily implied to be Iran, but he wants them to open the Straight of Hormuz. He did this on. On. I keep calling it Twitter, but it's not Twitter.

[Kat Radley]

I know. I call everything Twitter.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, everything's so old now. Yeah, he did on Truth Social. Right. So he never actually said the words.

[Kat Radley]

Right. He just posted it.

[Ronny Chang]

He just posted it or someone posted it.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

So. And then he didn't end it yet.

[Kat Radley]

No.

[Ronny Chang]

So he backed out.

[Kat Radley]

It's still going.

[Ronny Chang]

So I guess all's well that ends well.

[Kat Radley]

So, yeah, the civilization is still up and running. Yes, ours is in question.

[Ronny Chang]

Ours is Looking. Looking down the barrel.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

And, yeah, I guess that's how we do geopolitics now. We tweet about annihilating everything about our enemies, I guess. Right.

[Kat Radley]

You're just wiping out entire cultures and civilians and wait and see if it happens. Yeah, it is weird because I. When we are off for work, I try to not be as engaged in the news as I am for work, to actually, like, hang out with my family and, you know, and so when I would kind of maybe every two days jump in to see what's going on, I was like, oh, do I have to Google, are we going to nuke Iran? I was like, why is. I didn't read the news for two days and this is where we are right now. What did I miss?

[Ronny Chang]

I know it. And also, you know, the first reading is like, you don't. You don't. I. Maybe I'm stupid. I didn't read into nuclear threat in the first reading of the tweet. The nuclear threat came in the analysis of it. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's. I guess that's kind of. You kind of gotta be careful if you're. If you control nuclear weapons to not say you want to destroy a civilization because people might think you want to use nukes.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. If we're actually going to, like, take him at his word, which we shouldn't. But if we're going to.

[Ronny Chang]

I also love that the biggest defense of Trump is like, don't take him at his word.

[Kat Radley]

Right.

[Ronny Chang]

That's what his allies say. Yeah. I don't listen to the president when he says it ends. He's just. It's just. It's just hype.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. I'm like, I don't know, let's. Let's err on the side of caution.

[Ronny Chang]

Right. And so no bomb. No. No annihilation. He backed out and then did the. The straight open.

[Kat Radley]

The. The strait is still in Iran's control. And now just. I think yesterday.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

He wants to send a U. S. Naval blockade. So, like, he wants to blockade their blockade.

[Ronny Chang]

Right. Which is, you know, so, yeah, he couldn't stop the blockade, which he caused. And so now he's going to say, now he's blockading it.

[Kat Radley]

If anyone's blocking, it's going to be us.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. We're going to cop. Block ourselves. And you know, on a tactical. On a very Trumpian level. Yeah. He. That. It's actually a weird thing where I guess it kind of works culturally in the culture war. He can say like, no, no, they're not stopping us. I'm stopping us now.

[Kat Radley]

I'm stopping them from stopping us.

[Ronny Chang]

Right.

[Kat Radley]

It is. He has this pattern where if he were to just do nothing, everything would have been fine. Like, we would have been back where we were before. He had just done nothing. But now he's trying to accomplish what already was in existence before he did anything.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, he's trying to. Now he's becoming. Opening the straight that was open already. Yes, that's what it.

[Kat Radley]

I felt the same way when he first came into office and Biden had, like, done all this work to, like, get the economy back up and running, and all he had to do was nothing and just like, let it slowly recover, like from the pandemic. And instead he just undid everything Biden did. And that's why, like, the economy is suffering again. I'm like, all you had to do was nothing and take credit for it. Like, but you had to just do stuff.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, you had to do stuff. And I don't know what the. Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know. I don't know what the. I don't know how he's going to get out of this one.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

But if anyone has proven that he's kind of Teflon and gets out everything this guy is, he'll be fine.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, we may not be sure, but he'll be okay.

[Ronny Chang]

Sure.

[Kat Radley]

Well, he did. So he sent in his number one guy, J.D. vance, to do the peace talks, which also failed miserably.

[Ronny Chang]

So one thing I was interested is Pakistan was at the peace talks and Pakistan's are the ones who announced the ceasefire.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

If you recall that that basically ended Trump's threat.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Right. Because he said there's. I'm putting a deadline. If you don't, if you don't open the straight, I'm going to end your civilization. And Pakistan is the one that kind of did the negotiations or hosted it and announced that. Okay. We. We researched ceasefire. So I, I may. I don't understand enough about why I'm glad they did it, but why would they bail out?

[Kat Radley]

You know, I think this JD Vance's was to kind of like finalize the peace plan and look into how we would reopen the strait and actually like, end everything. And they couldn't come to an agreement, which is why now they're like fighting over who is still controlling the strait.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay.

[Kat Radley]

Is from what my understanding.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay, well, thank you, Pakistan.

[Kat Radley]

I guess Pakistan is really, really helping

[Ronny Chang]

the US Save this work in this.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

I mean. Okay. To Be fair. Maybe they genuinely thought that Trump might destroy everything. So they were like, okay, we gotta stop this.

[Kat Radley]

And I think they're also like, Israel is still attacking Lebanon, which was also supposed to be part of the people.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. That's also.

[Kat Radley]

Don't forget Israel's also involved in this.

[Ronny Chang]

It's a very tenuous. It's a very tenuous ceasefire.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. We, we're not going to solve peace in the Middle East.

[Ronny Chang]

We're not solving peace and the Middle east in this one.

[Kat Radley]

Well, we'll do better than Trump and Vance will. So we're. That's where we are right now. And we're kind of going to be covering that on the show today probably. But your week, you're going to pick up hosting tomorrow. And I'm sure there will still be shit going on considering concerning the Strait of Hormuz and Iran and the fallout of whatever crazy thing Trump maybe tweets tonight while we're sleeping.

[Ronny Chang]

Sure.

[Kat Radley]

So the Iran war is kind of our ever ongoing thing. Whereas, you know, if we go is always. There's always a little bit of Epstein files.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

Now there's always a little bit of Iran war lingering. Epstein files is now lingering. Under the Iran war. There's like a late, like different layers of.

[Ronny Chang]

It's a layer cake.

[Kat Radley]

It's simmering.

[Ronny Chang]

It's a layer of cake of storing shit. Oh, it's a layer cake of shit.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

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[Kat Radley]

But some fun news. One thing that was nice to watch over the break was the story of the astronauts traveling around the moon. Yes, it seemed to be a story that people found joyful, inspirational, hopeful. And it was kind of nice to see people actually experience something together collectively and take joy from it as opposed to just doom scrolling all the time.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, it's nice to see kind of the US government be responsible. Something that kind of brings hope and joy. I hope people felt hope, you know, I mean even in the, even in the 70s, in the late, in the 70s when they still went to the moon, people apparently the mood was that people were kind of over it then. Yeah, they were kind of like jaded about it because we did it. Yeah. But we haven't, we haven't done a moon trip in so long. And you know, it was easy to kind of be extremely cynical about it, considering how bad things are on earth and how much money, you know, is that we need here to do stuff. And you see all them kind of firing a rocket and you're like, what you guys doing? We're doing this again. And I gotta say I'm not, I'm not one of those people. I'm a very, I'm very inspired by it, I think. I think watching NASA at work is watching America's best when it's being aspirational and inspirational. And I feel like that's America at its best when it inspires people to literally reach for the stars in whatever industry, whatever that means for you personally in your industry or your self expression in this case. It was literally reaching for the stars and seeing people do it. And I guess every astronaut is woke because they were in space going like the Earth is beautiful and just being like.

[Kat Radley]

Introspective.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, introspective. And like what are nations? And you know, we're all on this rock in space floating. Why are we fighting in a comment section? Yeah, all we have is each other.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

But you know, I guess NASA and all these astronauts.

[Kat Radley]

Shut up lefties.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, shut up lefties.

[Kat Radley]

Anytime anyone shows any little bit of humanity and compassion, they're just like, shut up. God woke idiots.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, this. I guess, I guess it was a fighter pilot. I guess he's a woke fighter pilot. You know, the astronaut. These guys are all test pilots. So, you know, he's a woke.

[Kat Radley]

You have to be a badass to be an astronaut.

[Ronny Chang]

Nah, he's woke. Nah, he's woke. And then they went around the moon. And it's also interesting to see like, you know, I'm a real NASA Apollo program nerd. I actually watched how they, Re, like, people rebuilt the Apollo computers in modern times just for posterity, just to see how the. I'm a huge dork with NASA. And so it's interesting to see how much technology has come. You see these astronauts, like, they went to the moon. America sent people to the moon with, like, less computing power than, like, a Casio wristwatch, you know. And now they've got. We've got. They're like, on their phones. I think they. Outlook, they had Outlook in the moon. They were like, starlinking, you know, like, the tech now is. Can you imagine, like, what, 60 years improved.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

You know.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, it's been that long.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. So, you know, they're still using, you know, in Apollo 13, they're still using, like, pen and paper in the, you know.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

It's a stopwatch.

[Kat Radley]

And they call back and people are, like, doing the math equations back in

[Ronny Chang]

using a slide ruler. Using a slide ruler. So technology has come a long way. You know, I don't know what this means for the future. You know, hopefully. Hopefully this leads us something. But I'm just saying the humanities aspect of it alone, I think was worth the $200 billion they burned up just

[Kat Radley]

to give humans a single moment of connection with people that might be different from them.

[Ronny Chang]

Four people. Four people were cured. Four astronauts were cured of what? You know, their hatred. So we just gotta keep doing that. We just gotta keep doing that. Just send people out, four people at a time. Eventually we'll get to everyone on Earth.

[Kat Radley]

And I, unfortunately, was kind of one of the cynical people, because I do have the thought, I'm like, well, we're destroying Earth. And, like, why not spend the time and resources, the money into, like, keeping the planet we are living on alive instead of, you know, going into space? But if they can get the technology to maybe, like, if they can just pretend it's safe for like, the billionaires to be like, I want to go to space. Just shoot them into space, you know,

[Ronny Chang]

and then submarine them. Titanic.

[Kat Radley]

Oh, my God. Whoops. We don't know how to get you.

[Ronny Chang]

Oh, whoops. Sorry, guys. Yeah, the. I mean, I. Let me quote some former president, some guy. I think his name was Obama. His name, like, he said something like, we have the technical means to solve a lot of the problems we're facing. A lot of the issues we have are political.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

We have the technical solutions to, you know, most of these environmental problems.

[Kat Radley]

Oh, yeah. We have, like, the science to cure all of these diseases.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. Well, on track.

[Kat Radley]

Reinforce the damage to the environment. A lot of the knowledge and science is out there. We're just letting. Yeah. Greed, corporations, and politics, political differences get in the way of it. We could be living in a paradise, but a couple of evil billionaires don't want us to be.

[Ronny Chang]

So from going from the moon to Epstein.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, because it's. We're going into the next layer.

[Ronny Chang]

Next layer.

[Kat Radley]

It's always there.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

This was also. If know, the astronaut story was joyful. This was also a joyful moment of news.

[Ronny Chang]

I didn't get what the hell this was. I.

[Kat Radley]

So nobody did. So Melania came out unprompted and gave a speech to talk about her relationship to Epstein, denying ties to Epstein, denying that she, I believe, was a victim of Epstein.

[Ronny Chang]

And the number one reaction is, what are you talking about? Like, we. No one. No one even was thinking this until you said this. No one said.

[Kat Radley]

No one said. And it was such a formal speech, too, which she doesn't normally do. She made a big deal out of it.

[Ronny Chang]

Right.

[Kat Radley]

Which, of course, just led everyone to asking more questions. Be like, okay, well, now we want to talk about it.

[Ronny Chang]

What the hell is going on?

[Kat Radley]

So I really hope this does lead to some juice. There are stories about, you know, there's. I want to say, a guy from Colombia who asked Trump to deport his wife so he could get. Get custody of.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, that guy.

[Kat Radley]

And the wife that was deported knows Melania from their modeling days. And so she has a lot of dirt. And so as retribution, she was like, all right, well, I'm gonna spill all the beans, because fuck you guys. So that's kind of the Internet theory of what's behind all this.

[Ronny Chang]

As usual, very sunshines and rainbows in the Trump world. Everything is just very. Just above the board and positive. Not dark at all. And so she made this speech, and now we all like, what's going on?

[Kat Radley]

Waiting.

[Ronny Chang]

And this is classic. Like, you know how people. You know, when you talk to civilians who aren't comics or, you know, maybe even not in show business, like, they. They don't know how to. They overreact to other people overreacting. So, like, five people overreact to you, and then you, as the performer, you start overreacting to them.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Because you're not professional.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

You know what I mean? And so this, to me, just reeks of that. It's like, what happens when, like, a Karen is able to, like, have a press conference, Basically.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Because it's like, what are you telling us about this stupid. You know, this sounds like some kind of, what, like, WhatsApp gossip? And then you're like, no, no, I need to clear the air in front of the whole world. And we're like, okay.

[Kat Radley]

And I wonder who on her team was like, yes, it's a good idea. Let's do this.

[Ronny Chang]

Well, that's what I'm saying. This reeks of everyone saying, you don't have to do this, and her going, no, this is the right thing to do. Sunshine is the best disinfectant I got. And then people are like, no, you're misreading this whole situation because obviously no one would. You know, any junior PR person would be like, this is weird.

[Kat Radley]

No one's talking about this right now. Let's not do this. I do, though. If it. It would be great if just a few days from now, a big, juicy bomb drops. Metaphorical bomb about, you know, what is lying beneath this. Yeah. Like, what's. Like.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

Why is she. What is she getting in front of? What is she protecting?

[Ronny Chang]

Also, what's so funny is that, like, they, you know, they cynically started the Iran war to distract from Epstein. And then she's like, he has to go back to Epstein.

[Kat Radley]

She's like, oh, honey, that's why you started the war. Oh, so sorry.

[Ronny Chang]

She's like, we just did a whole thing to get passes, and you're bringing Bombed a rod. God damn it. And she. Yeah, and she went into this thing. And also, by the way, it's just like you're saying. You're saying this, but there's photos of you, of Epstein. There's photos of that video of your husband. There's all this stuff linking your husband to Epstein. And you. You know, so it's like, why are you. You know, why are you bringing this up?

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. Because it's very easily debunked.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. Just hire me as your pr. I won't let this happen. First, the White House.

[Kat Radley]

Roddy's got your back, Melania. Just give him a call.

[Ronny Chang]

Just deny it. Just don't even. Go on. Stop. Stop. Going on the Internet.

[Kat Radley]

That's really. It's just.

[Ronny Chang]

That's. It's really. Just. Get off.

[Kat Radley]

Blackout social media. Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

Some close to home news. New York Mayor Eric Adams was granted Albanian citizenship.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. What's up with this dude? Eh?

[Kat Radley]

I don't know. It's so fun to watch. I don't know if you've been following Zoron and, like, he's been posting a lot on social media.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay.

[Kat Radley]

He just did. I think it was either on Easter or it's marking his first 100 days. His first 100 days in office. He walked throughout the city just saying hi to people. And so it was videotaped. And everyone was just so excited to meet him. And he's just being a regular guy, meeting, you know, the constituents of New York and he's really getting shit done. And you're like, yeah. What is Eric Adams up to? Oh, he's moving to Albania for, I don't know, legal protection.

[Ronny Chang]

I don't know. What is this? I mean, I'm in favor of being a citizen of the world.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

And this post nationalist view of.

[Kat Radley]

Okay, you lefty.

[Ronny Chang]

Is that left? I don't even know. I just. Yeah, okay. If it's left, sure. I'm just saying, like, being able to, you know. Yeah. My home is everywhere, people. But what the fuck is this? Because, like, what. It just reeks of like. Yeah, you're trying to evade the law.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. Something like you're. You're afraid of getting prosecuted, perhaps, and you need sanctuary somewhere.

[Ronny Chang]

So what are you, like, no one's

[Kat Radley]

assuming, oh, he just wants to see the world. People are like, oh, you're escaping something.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, you're escaping something. Yeah, I get it. I mean, you have passports in your pocket. What? This must be his, like, third citizenship. I feel like.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. Cause he.

[Ronny Chang]

Turkey or something.

[Kat Radley]

He had a good relationship with Turkey for a while, so I think he's just kind of.

[Ronny Chang]

Any other person would be like, good for you for traveling.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. But listen, if it gets him out of New York and keeps him out of New York, I'm also well with it.

[Ronny Chang]

This brings me to the next point. Was what. What are. Who are the best New York mayors?

[Kat Radley]

I mean, I just say Mamdani.

[Ronny Chang]

I think LaGuardia was good.

[Kat Radley]

He's got an airport.

[Ronny Chang]

He had an airport. He. Apparently he would go on the back of trucks and look for potholes and fill them.

[Kat Radley]

Oh, cool.

[Ronny Chang]

That's why everybody loved him.

[Kat Radley]

That is one of the things, Mom, Donnie is doing.

[Ronny Chang]

Oh, he's doing.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

He's probably read.

[Kat Radley]

He did like a whole pothole filling spree and he's filled 6,000 potholes so far.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, that's the LaGuardia thing and not

[Kat Radley]

the one on my street.

[Ronny Chang]

Hopefully this gets into the, you know, the blockchain and someone.

[Kat Radley]

110th in Amsterdam. There's a really.

[Ronny Chang]

No, no, don't tell me about your address. Don't tell me about it.

[Kat Radley]

It's Kind of far. It's far. It's like, oh, okay, delete that, Alan. Don't tell.

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Just.

[Kat Radley]

Just send it directly to mamdame. But bleep out my cross streets.

[Ronny Chang]

Also, LaGuardia. Apparently, for some weird reason, he refused to land at what was JFK airport.

[Kat Radley]

LaGuardia.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. And so he kept landing at this other location. I can't. I'm butchering the story. But basically that location became LaGuardia Airport. He just didn't want to land at the other one. And so he kept landing. But he was a beloved mayor. I think Prime Giuliani was very beloved. And yeah, in the prime, I'm talking not the. Not the leaking from his head. Giuliani. The.

[Kat Radley]

The. Like dry and coherent Giuliani.

[Ronny Chang]

Prime Giuliani was good.

[Kat Radley]

I love that LaGuardia story because LaGuardia is a great airport now, and it's in a much more convenient location to get there from Manhattan.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, LaGuardia. I mean, LaGuardia airports send us some money because honestly, it became. It went from. It was the biggest turnaround. It went from the worst airport. Yeah, it's the worst airport to now. It's literally the best.

[Kat Radley]

It's. I go there and I'm like, I don't even need to book a flight. I'll just hang out.

[Ronny Chang]

It's a good airport.

[Kat Radley]

Beautiful lighting, restaurants.

[Ronny Chang]

Oh, great.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, go to LaGuardia Aircraft. You guys, people, Terminal C. Gorgeous. Love it.

[Ronny Chang]

Speaking of airports.

[Kat Radley]

Speaking of airports, this is a great segue. So there's an air traffic control shortage, which we know some of you may have been feeling it lately. I haven't flown in a while, so

[Ronny Chang]

I fly a lot.

[Kat Radley]

Have you felt it? The long lines?

[Ronny Chang]

No, I actually thankfully skipped. I missed it because I happened to not be flying for a few weeks, and then I missed the whole awfulness of it.

[Kat Radley]

But you make everyone land at a different place.

[Ronny Chang]

Probably Roaring Chang Airport.

[Kat Radley]

Chang Airport.

[Ronny Chang]

It's the Hudson River. I was just flying yesterday and this weekend and it was fine.

[Kat Radley]

Okay, good. So the FAA is specifically trying to recruit gamers to come work for FAA's air traffic controllers, I guess because they think they're already good at, I guess, you know, computers control sitting for long periods of time. They think the skills will translate to the job somehow. But in reality, being an air traffic controller is really high stressful, really high stakes because you're responsible for.

[Ronny Chang]

So it's Call of Duty.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, that's true.

[Ronny Chang]

You know, people coming after you on screens and you're sweating and your girlfriend's Yell yelling at. You have to handle a lot. Your mom's telling you to go do a laundry. Like you. You need the. You need a good temperament.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

It is weird in America that FAA is such a. Like, the air traffic controller is. Shortage is an issue, you know, for a country that flies so much.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really just a matter of. Because they were asking for, you know, better hours, so they weren't exhausted.

[Ronny Chang]

They wanted more money.

[Kat Radley]

Working too long and more money, which they deserve it because airplanes and air travel is something that is universal. Usually, generally, everybody uses it. It's not like, for one demographic or another, at least in the course of a year, I feel like everyone in America is gonna fly at some point. So it seems like it's an issue that everybody would get behind giving air traffic controllers more money. It seems like a very easy issue and an easy win for the Trump administration to do.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

But they're not.

[Ronny Chang]

They're not. And what's weird is, for me, I'm always like, how come they don't. Just the people who need this are the airports and the airlines.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

So they should, you know, just pay. I'm sure the airlines will be like, yeah, we'll pay in for it.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. Like, Delta could kick in a few more. Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Kick in some money for this. I mean, that's. That's who needs it is the. Is the airports and the airlines. But, okay, that being said, recruiting from gamers, your pool of gamers in America. I love it. I love the idea.

[Kat Radley]

I go give them some employment.

[Ronny Chang]

As. As you said, the skill set is there. Multitasking, sitting in a chair for a long time, looking at a screen, you know, analyzing. It's. I guess in a weird way, it's a video game, except if you lose, people die.

[Kat Radley]

Get them out of the house.

[Ronny Chang]

Get them out of the house.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

You can have all the Mountain Dew you want.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. They don't tell you that, but FAA has made it clear you will have all the Mountain Dew code red you want.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

If you join their task.

[Ronny Chang]

They also already wear that thing anyway all the time. So you're halfway there. You might as well do. You might as well be like, serve your country and get paid. Looking at the screen, and you just

[Kat Radley]

want them to confuse the two. Be like, all right, we got him. Shoot him down. No, land the plane. Land the plane.

[Ronny Chang]

Different game.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

America. I don't know. Like, the environmental side of me is like, everyone should fly less.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

But the reality is everyone in America takes flying for Granted so much.

[Kat Radley]

Totally, totally.

[Ronny Chang]

Like, you know, America's just a country that flies around. It's just. And it's also a big country. You need to kind of fly around to get stuff done. So I remember looking into this, and I think, like, the FAA is there's only like one school and that really. Yeah, there's one school, and then they're trying to make it a college program, but, like, there's only like one college that's kind of trying to do that.

[Kat Radley]

So that is wild because, yeah, air travel is kind of necessary to live in America. Assuming you, like, I have family in California, you know, like, I have to fly to go.

[Ronny Chang]

It's very first world to be like this, by the way. No other country is dependent on, like, flying. But I. I think. But this is a big country. It stretches from, you know, Atlanta to Pacific, so you need it. Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

You know, our country is too big for lots of reasons. This is one of us.

[Ronny Chang]

This one. Yeah. Also disgraceful. The country that invented flying. We can't figure out the freaking air traffic control.

[Kat Radley]

It is crazy.

[Ronny Chang]

Well, the guys who invented it, come on, they're telling me we can go to the moon and we can't freaking tell a plane when to land on the ground.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, guys. Or make you not wait six hours to go to Albany.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

Ronnie Chang. Solving America's problems.

[Ronny Chang]

We can go to the moon. That's my. That's my. That's my thing in America now, guys. We can go to the moon. We can freaking cut this TSA line in half. Okay?

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[Kat Radley]

So some things that will probably pop up this week while you're hosting. Just kind of overnight, this battle, this little beef between President Trump and Pope Leo has started to come to the surface where they are. Trump has spoken out. Talk shit about him. He's. He's fighting back.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

Trump posted an AI picture of him as Jesus. This is something that might develop throughout

[Ronny Chang]

the week, or it could end tonight when he tweets something else. But Pope versus Trump, this is what they should be doing at ufc White House. I want to fight the Pope. This is the fight I want to see. Because Trump versus the Pope is a. Is a. Is a. It's a good matchup, you know, like the representative of Jesus on Earth, but versus, you know, I guess, the Antichrist, who doesn't want to see that.

[Kat Radley]

It would really put Christians in a tough spot. Like, yeah, you have to pick a side. And they claim to be, you know, pro Trump, but, yeah, this is who you going to pick. This is literally. Yeah, Jesus versus who you think is Jesus?

[Ronny Chang]

Like, yeah, it's alien versus predator. To me, anyway, as. As a atheist outside religion, I'm like, yeah, this, to me, watch. This is like, you know, a strong voice for reasonableness on the right versus we know what, you know, Trump is even more reasonable voice on the right. So. So that's why it's like, who. Who are. I feel like I. I guess I feel like the right. The Christian right is now having to organize. Right. I can feel them kind of a little bit trying to organize to see who they back.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. Because they also, a lot of the Christian right, they're not Catholics. They don't really connect to the Pope the way other Christians do.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

But I can't imagine that they would still go against the Pope. Like, you can't root against the Pope

[Ronny Chang]

in this, especially when we see what the Pope is saying.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

You know, he's not even saying anything that's like, you know, remotely violent or anything. He didn't even address Trump. He just was like, peace on Earth, please.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, that's. As a former Catholic, I am currently atheist as well. But as a former Catholic, that is kind of the only issue that Catholics got right was their stance on the poor and on immigrants. They're very pro immigrant. Help the poor. Yeah. They're very like, you know, take care of the sick, take care of the needy. That's kind of the only thing that I can agree with them on. And this Pope, I think, is specifically very, like, pro immigrant and very vocal about it. So naturally, he and Trump are not going to get along.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. What's also interesting is that this is not. This. Is this the first American Pope?

[Kat Radley]

Yes.

[Ronny Chang]

So that's the other thing about this, is that he gets it.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Leo knows what's up. You know, Pope Leo, Chicago, motherfucker.

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[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. He's like, we, like, I. He's the perfect guy to, like, you know, tai chi this energy from Trump because he knows where it's coming from and what the vibe is. He's like, I get this. And he's just totally Tai chi.

[Kat Radley]

It throws you when you hear him talk and he has the American accent, I'm like, oh, okay. I was expecting, you know, he has a Chicago accent.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kat Radley]

My friends and I, over the weekend, we, like, got together for dinner. We were just talking about, like, who should run in 2028, like, who can be the president? And one of them was like, the Pope. Oh, the Pope could run for President. And I was like, fuck, that's actually a really good idea. He might be the only person who could beat him. He's American.

[Ronny Chang]

I didn't even think about that.

[Kat Radley]

It's. You know, it's not. There's no rule that says he can't. You know, like, there's no rule that says dogs can't play basketball. So I'm like, oh, my God, the Pope should run for president.

[Ronny Chang]

That's very interesting. I wonder if he has US Citizenship still. And I wonder if. I don't think there's anything in the Constitution that says you can't be a citizen of another country and still be president.

[Kat Radley]

Right. You know, or, like, technically the leader of another country, because he is the leader of Vatican City.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. There's nothing in the Constitution that says that, I think.

[Kat Radley]

But he could just fake an 11th Commandment, be like, oh, no, I got 11. It's all good.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah. That's a good.

[Kat Radley]

Isn't it such a good idea? It's not my idea. My friend told me about it. Look, that's the answer.

[Ronny Chang]

I'll. I'll hold off on endorsing that, but it is an interesting idea, I'll give you that. And also, again, this goes back to what I was saying. This is a good fight because this is a good matchup.

[Kat Radley]

Yes.

[Ronny Chang]

You know, there's no, like, I think the. The Catholic Church is the equal of, you know, of whatever incoming from Trump. You know, it's not like, he's punching down on.

[Kat Radley]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a power player. And yet they literally disagree in every way, shape and form.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. So, yeah, Trump responded to the criticisms by tweeting, by basically shitting on the

[Kat Radley]

Pope, which called him a loser.

[Ronny Chang]

Called him a loser, which is bold. And then he followed up with the AI picture of himself as Jesus. And this picture of Jesus might be. You know, this is a good argument against AI. Yeah, right here. You know, if someone can just do this and, you know, just because someone

[Kat Radley]

might think it's real.

[Ronny Chang]

Guys, can we get some art people like Jerry Saltz or something to analyze? What, like, is this good art?

[Kat Radley]

There's a lot going on because you got an eagle, you've got soldiers, what looks like.

[Ronny Chang]

There's eagles flying with, like, fighter. Top Gun is Tom Cruise in Top Gun Maverick. And then there's. There's the devil, that thing in the middle. There's something going on in the middle that's like floating, shadowy characters.

[Kat Radley]

You got a nurse from the 1940s.

[Ronny Chang]

There's a 1940s nurse. The statue of Liberty made it. New York represents. Then there's an older soldier. Or is that a farmer? That's a farmer.

[Kat Radley]

Farmer.

[Ronny Chang]

That's just a J6 guy. J6 guy. He's a J6 guy in front of the Capitol. And then a kid, which I gotta say, a little gender ambiguous, actually. So, okay, don't, you know, a little woke. And then Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein being carried in the middle.

[Kat Radley]

No, that's him, like, erasing his memory.

[Ronny Chang]

Do not mention my name. You will not mention my name. Yeah, there's a lot going on here, so.

[Kat Radley]

But all very presidential at the end of the day.

[Ronny Chang]

At the end of the day.

[Kat Radley]

Thank you for truthing this.

[Ronny Chang]

I don't like, I don't like the base reality off of what I see on the Internet because I feel like it gets the vibe wrong a lot due to interference. But I will say, I think the Christians and the MAGA people whom I do follow, they. I think they, they, they are saying, like, this is bad. Like, don't desecrate the image of Jesus and don't, you know, I guess, like, why are you fighting the Pope? But most, most importantly, don't desecrate the image.

[Kat Radley]

That's a big one.

[Ronny Chang]

But they also, like, they're doing it like this is wrong, guys, anyway.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, but will it actually change?

[Ronny Chang]

Right? That's.

[Kat Radley]

That's the vote or what they do. Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Versus a fury that they would have if. Let you know if I did Something like that. Or if, you know, if someone else.

[Kat Radley]

Oh, they'd come at you.

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[Ronny Chang]

If someone they hated did it. And so I guess to me, that's the intellectual dishonesty. Right. That you're not objectively looking at the facts of what's going on. You're just kind of basing off of your tribe or not your tribe. And.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I think objectively, anyone who claims to be Christian should not be supporting really anything he's doing right now.

[Ronny Chang]

Objectively, you're Christian, Isn't it fair to say? You maybe don't be supporting a guy who's painting images of himself as Jesus and, you know, telling the Pope he's a loser because the Pope said, please have peace on earth, you know, objectively. But maybe I'm not Christians. I don't know.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah, okay.

[Ronny Chang]

That's not even the worst thing. We need. We need more Buddhism in America is really what the.

[Kat Radley]

You know, I would. I would do that over literally anything else. Oh, also coming up this week, so it's gonna be tax day.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay.

[Kat Radley]

During, I think on Wednesday while you're hosting.

[Ronny Chang]

Great. Everyone's favorite day.

[Kat Radley]

It is interesting because there is a big movement this year of people saying they're not gonna pay their taxes out of protest because of what their tax dollars are being used for, mostly the war in Iran. And I would. I'm always looking for ways to, like, protest or boycott. I feel like, personally, I think our economic power is the best chance we have at fighting back, even though it's not really being used very effectively right now, unfortunately. But I will admit, I. I did pay my taxes this year because I have a family and I don't want to go to jail or give them a reason to put me on a list.

[Ronny Chang]

Right.

[Kat Radley]

I think being associated, you know.

[Ronny Chang]

No, you did the right thing.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Don't feel guilty about following the law and paying taxes, though. No big taxes. I don't know. I. I have this. I have this bit in my last special about how everyone, like, if you're right wing, you. You. You tend to, you know, code as very patriotic and loving your country, but then you also code as hating to pay tax. And I was like, if you love your country, wouldn't you want to pay tax to your country? Like, you want. You what? You want a country to be poor?

[Kat Radley]

Did you pay your taxes?

[Ronny Chang]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Kat Radley]

Are you kidding me?

[Ronny Chang]

Are you kidding me?

[Kat Radley]

They'd come after you immediately, bro.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, that. No, I gotta. I gotta be airtight.

[Kat Radley]

Like, oh, you just got your Citizenship.

[Ronny Chang]

I overpaid. I overpayed.

[Kat Radley]

You can't pay taxes.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, I voluntarily overpaid.

[Kat Radley]

Do you expect to get that money back?

[Ronny Chang]

No.

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[Kat Radley]

So now we've reached the point in the podcast where we do a daily show and tell. It's something that we talk about, doesn't have to be politics or news related, something we've watched, read, listened to, been talking about, arguing about. Just something that's been on our minds lately. So, Ronnie, do you have a fun daily show and tell?

[Ronny Chang]

I went to Rochester this weekend to do shows.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

I had no expectations. And Rochester was, was empty. The city was empty. The shows, the shows were full.

[Kat Radley]

Was everyone at the show.

[Ronny Chang]

The city looked empty. And then the show was full, like 2,000 people and very charming city. And I went up there and not dilapidated, you know, but just empty. Just empty. Like buildings abandoned but not in good shape, not broken down, but no homeless people, no drug users. It would just look empty. And I went to a bookstore. I got a book about the 92 presidential election, which was interesting, you know, recapping that very instrumental election in American history. 1992, Bill Clinton defeating Bush.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

At a very interesting time.

[Kat Radley]

Did you already read the book too?

[Ronny Chang]

No, I haven't read it yet, but I knew the history of it. But, but you know, this was written by people on the ground. So I was read. I've been reading that book. I think it's, it's called, it's the Quest series. It's by Newsweek. It's a. It was by a group of journalists who were covering the presidential election at the time. And it's written very interesting. If you're a political junkie. It's interesting, but it's it's thick, though. It is a big bit of a thick. Thick book. It's a thick. It's thick. It's one of the thick ones. And then next to the bookstore was a cigar bar, which you don't really see anymore.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

Because it's illegal to smoke indoors. So, you know, most people, they got the license like 50 years ago or something. This was this guy, he got the license 50 years ago. I went inside and I just had a cigar with this dude, the owner. It's me and him in this bar at like 5pm in the afternoon. No, sorry. 4pm in the afternoon. Nicest guy.

[Kat Radley]

And that's so fun.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. And it was super fun. And he told me about the comics he liked. He. The guy was like, you know, 60. So all his references were like, you see Jack Mason, Jackie Mason. Yeah, I know of him.

[Kat Radley]

But, you know, not recently.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, not recently, but I know of him. And he. Anyway, my point to all this is that in America, you know, talking to people face to face will renew your faith in the country and the people. Don't judge everything by the comment section or your algorithm. I think talking to people face to face is often the cure for a lot of, I think, what is ailing us right now.

[Kat Radley]

That is nice that you take the time when you're on the road to actually do that. Go out and explore the community and meet some people.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah. I don't know. I make it a point to walk around the city before the show just to get a vibe of it. Also because I genuinely like exploring America. I want to see what it's about. And my conclusion is that there is no one in America. It's just New York and la. Every other city I've been to is empty.

[Kat Radley]

It really. Especially when you live in New York and then you go visit. Like, I would do the same thing when I'm on the road. I would want to try to explore. I think the one time I did a show and went to Nashville.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

I booked myself a walking tour like, on that Sunday to, like, do a walking tour of the city.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah.

[Kat Radley]

And there are people out, but it's just nowhere near you remember when we

[Ronny Chang]

do road shows, daily show road shows, and we'll go to Milwaukee or something and why Milwaukee, a major American city?

[Kat Radley]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

You're walking around like, there is no one here.

[Kat Radley]

Yeah. You, like, go to a restaurant for, like, brunch and like, yeah, we have a table right here. You're like, oh, you do. Okay.

[Ronny Chang]

I know. And so I'm just Like Rochester. Like, hey, I'm not. This isn't. This isn't walkety walk, whatever. You know, immigration reform, you know, get people in. Have a system to get people in, blah, blah. I'm just saying, like, people can fit in Rochester. Okay. There's a lot of space in Rochester, New York, and they. I think they need people to rent these buildings. So let's get in some. You know, there's room for people here.

[Kat Radley]

If you're immigrating here, start at Rochester. Yeah, there's a lovely vacant building.

[Ronny Chang]

Apparently in D.C. there's many vacant buildings. There's quite a few vacant buildings and lots of sidewalk space, I'd say.

[Kat Radley]

My show and tell. I've been trying to stimulate my brain. I've started reading the complete works of Dostoevsky.

[Ronny Chang]

Oh, shoot.

[Kat Radley]

I'm just kidding. No, I'm not. Oh, I'm watching the Traitors.

[Ronny Chang]

The opposite.

[Kat Radley]

I have recently discovered. Everyone's talking about the Traitors. I know. Like, I'm a huge Alan Cumming fan. I should have watched it long ago. So I finally watched season four. It's amazing. And then one of our fellow writers here, Lily, was like, watch Australia season one. So actually I wanted to tell you this. So the Australia Traders, season one, I'm currently watching that. And it's really good.

[Ronny Chang]

Oh, so what, what makes it good?

[Kat Radley]

It's like, it's so. It's not celebrities, it's real people. So they just kind of plucked regular people. It's a nice little sample of, I'm assuming the Australian citizen.

[Ronny Chang]

Are you sure they want celebrities or just people you don't know? Got celebrities. Australian celebrities. You didn't know?

[Kat Radley]

No, I mean, I wouldn't know if they are Australian celebrities, but I'm pretty sure it's just real people.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay.

[Kat Radley]

And it is very entertaining.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay.

[Kat Radley]

So if there's anyone out there who has yet to watch the Traders and I'm not like a reality show person, I don't watch reality tv.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay.

[Kat Radley]

I like. I kind of think it's a waste of time, but. But I watched this one, I was like, okay, this is good shit.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay. I think. I think my friend is on the American one. Eric Nam, the Korean guy. Korean.

[Kat Radley]

Oh, Eric. Yeah, he. I don't want to give anything away.

[Ronny Chang]

Yeah, I think he had a good.

[Kat Radley]

He played a pretty pivotal role. He's a singer songwriter.

[Ronny Chang]

Singer songwriter. He's a great singer songwriter.

[Kat Radley]

Oh, dude, you should watch the season. He makes it pretty far and he has a pretty key kind of plot point in.

[Ronny Chang]

Well, you kind of just spoilt it.

[Kat Radley]

Nope. There's no.

[Ronny Chang]

Well, it's about it because you said you, you, you said he made it pretty far, so I know he's not gonna be pretty.

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Pretty far.

[Kat Radley]

Could be final 10.

[Ronny Chang]

That's not. I read. I did a poker read there.

[Kat Radley]

So it's still worth watching because you got to see what goes down with him.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay.

[Kat Radley]

It's. It's worth seeing.

[Ronny Chang]

I heard about this. Or you could read dogs, or you could read Dostoevsky.

[Kat Radley]

Or you could just watch Australian Traders Season one. No, I'm not trying to help my brain in any way, shape or form. I'm just, I'm just going with it. Okay. That's all the time we have for the pre cap. I'm Kat Radley. Catch Ronny Chang hosting the Daily show this week on Comedy Central, Paramount plus, and right here in podcast form on the Daily Show Ears edition.

[Ronny Chang]

Thanks, guys.

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