Trump Rages at Pope Leo, JD Vance Fumbles Iran Deal & Hungary Ousts Viktor Orban | Aziz Abu Sarah and Maoz Inon

Summary

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Episode Title: Trump Rages at Pope Leo, JD Vance Fumbles Iran Deal & Hungary Ousts Viktor Orban | Aziz Abu Sarah and Maoz Inon
Date: April 14, 2026
Host: Jon Stewart

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Episode Overview

This episode features Jon Stewart and the Daily Show team’s trademark satirical news round-up, focusing on Donald Trump’s spat with Pope Leo, the bungled U.S.-Iran ceasefire negotiations led by J.D. Vance, and the stunning electoral defeat of Hungary’s Viktor Orban. The episode culminates in a moving, in-depth interview with Palestinian and Israeli peace activists Aziz Abu Sarah and Maoz Inon, whose new book documents their reconciliation journey. The conversation balances biting political satire with deeply personal stories of loss, hope, and dialogue.

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Headline Recap & Satire Highlights

Trump vs. Pope Leo XIV (00:56–08:11)

• Satirical Setup: The day’s headline is Trump lashing out at Chicago-born, Villanova-educated Pope Leo XIV for advocating dialogue and peace.
• Jon Stewart: “I cannot imagine anyone in the world hearing the Pope’s message of peace will have some kind of a weird problem with it overnight.” (02:15)
• Immediate Cut to News: Trump calls the first American Pope “weak and a loser” on Truth Social (02:28).
• Photo Gag: Trump posts AI-generated imagery of himself as Jesus, drawing widespread backlash.
  • “Give me the flag, make me Jesus. Do the eagles. And then he was like, and make me 185 [lbs]. And I'm like, can't do it. You're gonna have to be fat Jesus. Sorry, Chubbs,” — Jon Stewart (07:41)
• Satirical Roasting: The team riffs on the absurdity with classic Daily Show irreverence—making jokes about Trump's self-delusion, AI imagery, and tepid “doctor” excuses.

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U.S.-Iran Negotiations Fiasco (09:27–19:13)

• Setting the Stakes: U.S. and Iran enter high-pressure, globally-watched negotiations in Islamabad, with a two-week ceasefire on the line.
  • “These negotiations couldn't be more critical.” — Frank (12:54)
• Presidential Absenteeism: Trump skips the talks to attend a UFC fight with Dana White; Secretary of State Marco Rubio is at the same fight.
  • “You do have to understand, he had fantastic seats. Like, super close. Like, uncomfortably weird and close.” — Frank (14:03)
• JD Vance: Chief Negotiator: Vice President Vance is left to lead.
  • “World peace depends on chubby face Muldoon.” — Jon Stewart (15:40)
• Diplomatic Failure: Talks end after 16 hours, no deal reached, and the U.S. imposes a military blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.
  • “I'm sorry. Don't be too hard on yourself. You did give it almost a day. I mean, we all knew that's what it took to build Rome.” — Frank (18:00)
  • “Are we ever gonna get this Hormuz straight?” — Jon Stewart (19:00)

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Viktor Orban’s Downfall in Hungary (19:13–21:52)

• Hungarian Election Chaos: Viktor Orban, once a pillar of MAGA-world alliance, is badly defeated despite Trump and J.D. Vance’s public support.
  • “J.D. vance has the same relationship with President Trump that we have with Comcast customer service.” — Jon Stewart (20:31)
  • “Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban was voted out of power in a massive landslide.” — Reporter (21:41)
• Satirical Hope: “Please, God, let the dam be breaking... The presidency is supposed to age the President, not the people.” — Frank (21:58)

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Featured Interview: Aziz Abu Sarah & Maoz Inon (26:05–46:09)

Guests:

• Aziz Abu Sarah — Palestinian peace activist and author
• Maoz Inon — Israeli peace activist and author

Introduction & Background (26:05–29:04)

• Their book, The Future is a Shared Journey across the Holy Land, details their friendship and peace pilgrimage, born from personal tragedy on both sides.
• Aziz recounts his childhood suffering: Grew up in East Jerusalem under occupation, brother died after police beatings for alleged rock-throwing.
  • “I was shot at first time when I was, I think seven or eight years old ... I carried an onion every day with me to school because I was afraid of tear gas.” — Aziz (27:05)
• Maoz describes October 7 tragedy: His parents were among the first killed in the Hamas attack; family made a conscious, early choice to reject revenge.
  • “We are rejecting revenge, that we don't want to avenge the death of our parents ... it will only escalate the cycle of violence.” — Maoz (29:05)

Path Away from Vengeance (31:03–33:03)

• Aziz’s turning point: Only at 18, encountering a humane Israeli teacher, did he begin to see a different path.
  • "At 18, I met many Israelis ... But this teacher treating me differently put me on this journey, because I suddenly realized we don't have to be on opposite sides." — Aziz (31:03)

Genesis of their Friendship & Outreach (32:10–33:32)

• Connection after loss: Aziz initiated contact with Maoz just days after Maoz’s loss.
  • “In times like this, you need to show empathy, you need to show love ...” — Aziz (33:03)
  • Maoz recounts a visionary, healing dream and says Aziz’s condolence “was like a hand reaching out, saving me from falling into the abyss.” (33:32)

Reconciliation through Dialogue (35:04–39:31)

• Pilgrimage Approach: The book alternates perspectives, reflecting honest disagreements and mutual listening.
  • “Reconciliation doesn't mean agreement ... you allow the space for each other to speak the grace.” — Frank (35:04)
  • “Our people on the ground are transforming revenge into reconciliation, despair into hope, and trauma into healing.” — Maoz (36:39)
• Anecdote on Historical Disagreement: Aziz describes his father’s Holocaust skepticism, and how Palestinian and Israeli friends exchanged visits to each other’s sites of trauma, fostering difficult but transformative understanding.
  • “Two weeks later ... they said, ‘We want to do the same. Can we come to a Palestinian village that was destroyed in 1948?’ ... unless we're willing to not just walk on eggshells, ... we need to be honest and say, here's where we disagree.” — Aziz (38:02)

Reception, Impact, and Message (39:31–44:51)

• Public Perception: Strong support, especially since their meeting with Pope Francis.
  • Maoz shares that family and supporters were moved to tears seeing their embrace with the Pope; they plan a Peace Summit in Tel Aviv (40:44).
• Personal Stand: Aziz: "None of us really have an excuse. And we lost our family members. We know the price for it. People don't have to wait until they lose somebody in their family to stand up for justice.” (42:49)
• Counterpoint to Cynicism: Frank: “There's a certain idea that, oh, dialogue and grace and common ground and humanity. It's so naive... But you know what strikes me as more naive? Bombing your way to peace, Killing your way to peace. That has Never worked.” (43:00)

Final Reflections, Poem & Invitation (44:51–46:09)

• Shared historical parallels: Cites peace in Northern Ireland, Rwanda, and post-Holocaust Israel-Germany relations as proof that reconciliation is possible.
  • “We are here. We are the pragmatists. ... The only way to reach a sustainable peace and justice is only through dialogue, only through looking to the other side in the eye.” — Maoz (43:43)
• Aziz closes with Sameh Al Qasim’s poem:
  “The day I'm killed, my killer rifling through my pockets will find travel tickets. One to peace, one to the fields in the rain, and one to the conscience of a humankind... Please take these tickets and go travel with us.” (45:34)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Jon Stewart (Satirical Summation of Trump-era exhaustion):
  • “The presidency is supposed to age the President, not the people.” (21:58)
• Frank (On Americans’ need to demand more from their leaders):
  • “We expect better lies, sir!” (09:27)
• Aziz Abu Sarah:
  • “None of us really have an excuse. ... People don't have to wait until they lose somebody in their family to stand up for justice.” (42:49)
• Maoz Inon:
  • “In order to heal myself, to save myself from drowning in an ocean of sorrow and pain, I must choose this path.” (33:32)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Trump vs. Pope Leo Satire: 00:56–08:11
• U.S.–Iran Negotiations Fiasco: 09:27–19:13
• Hungary/Orban Segment: 19:13–21:52
• Reflection on MAGA/Global Right Fragility: 21:52–24:43
• Interview: Aziz Abu Sarah & Maoz Inon: 26:05–46:09
  • Aziz’s childhood trauma: 27:05–28:04
  • Maoz’s loss and family choice: 29:05–30:48
  • Catalyst for reconciliation: 31:03–33:03
  • Invitation to shared humanity: 42:49–46:09

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Conclusion

This episode of The Daily Show delivers a potent mix of sharp political satire and deeply human storytelling. On one side, it lampoons the absurdities of current global politics and the fragility of would-be strongmen; on the other, it models the patient, courageous work of cross-cultural healing through the testimonies of Aziz Abu Sarah and Maoz Inon. Their message is clear: reconciliation isn’t easy, but it is necessary—and everyone, regardless of background or loss, has a role to play in building a just peace.

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For listeners seeking both insight and hope, “The Future is a Shared Journey across the Holy Land” offers a powerful testament that dialogue, empathy, and travel—literal and figurative—are the tickets we all must take.

Transcript

[Announcer]

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[John Stewart]

Hello, welcome. Welcome to the Daily show on this beautiful spring day. My name is John Stewart. We have a great show for you tonight, a great show.

[Frank]

Later on, I'll be talking to peace activists Aziz Abu Sara and Meoz Inan. They are a Palestinian and an Israeli who traveled their homeland and I assume walked into a bar with the Pope.

[John Stewart]

Honestly, it is.

[Frank]

It's an incredible book about two men touched by tragedy who try to rise above this conflict to find reconciliation. It's a message of compassion shared by many in the world today, including Chicago born Villanova educated Pope Leo xiv.

[Meoz Inan]

Chia important.

[Pope Francis]

Let those who have the power to unleash wars choose peace. Not a peace imposed by force, but through dialogue.

[John Stewart]

Ah, look who became Pope and suddenly

[Frank]

became too good for. But still a beautiful, compassionate message that I cannot imagine. Anyone, really.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Anyone,

[John Stewart]

Anyone, I can't think of.

[Frank]

It does not come into my brain

[John Stewart]

that anyone in the world hearing the Pope's message of peace will have some

[Frank]

kind of a weird problem with it overnight.

[Reporter]

President Trump lashing out at Pope Leo on truth social, calling the first American Pope weak and a loser.

[Frank]

I am really starting to sour on this president. What is going through Trump's mind?

[John Stewart]

What did the Pope say? He wants what? Dialogue, Peace. He wants to choose the noblest aspirations of mankind, to show humanity its greatest articulation. That loser. That guy's a loser. That guy who died and made him.

[Frank]

Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, that's who died. Okay.

[John Stewart]

Oh, really?

[Frank]

There was a vote.

[John Stewart]

White smoke.

[Frank]

Interesting.

[Interviewer]

Fair enough.

[Frank]

Interesting. Hold on. Yeah, I'm gonna have to call you back. Okay. And look, President Trump, I know the Vatican's been critical of your policies, but you gotta remember that at the end of the day, you and the Catholic Church both historically care deeply about the same thing. Covering up sex scandals.

[John Stewart]

You both. By the way, Trump's comments about the

[Frank]

Pope upset a lot of people of Christian faith. But please don't worry, it gets worse.

[Reporter]

In a separate social media message, the President shared an image of himself in a religious scene that appears to depict Trump as Jesus.

[John Stewart]

Oh, my God. Wait, the guy in the bed.

[Frank]

Can I just.

[John Stewart]

Are you. Am I okay? What the. Wait, what? How did.

[Frank]

I mean, look, I know I don't have the vigor and spunk of my MTV days, but I didn't know we were here already. I didn't realize my look had Reached what?

[John Stewart]

Leper territory?

[Frank]

I mean, from the picture, it looks like he was touch and go with

[John Stewart]

me for a while,

[Frank]

but thank God, in my time of need, I was surrounded by family. There's my darling wife, Amy Lynn, hands clasped in prayer. My brother, Sergeant Chiseljaw. Oh, look in the back. There's. There's Pappy Joe. He and I stormed the Capitol together,

[John Stewart]

me and Pappy Joe.

[Frank]

And up at the top there, there's the eagle that delivers my mail. And apparently the lead singer of GWAR is in the middle of there. If you look at just the bottom there, it looks like there's just a guy's hand.

[John Stewart]

Not mine, just some other guy's hand.

[Frank]

Seems to be taking advantage of my

[John Stewart]

infirmity to touch my penis. I don't know why this is freaking me the out. You know, the whole thing happening outside the Wash Hole eye of daytime fireworks.

[Frank]

You know, I'm just glad that Jesus Trump brought his healing orb. By the way, can I tell you my favorite thing about this picture? Like, I like how there's only so much AI can do. Like, AI is like, look, I can give you the fireworks and the healing

[John Stewart]

powers, and I can make you Jesus,

[Frank]

but you weigh what you weigh.

[John Stewart]

Sorry, it just is what it is. I listen, I plugged in all this shit. Give me the flag, make me Jesus. Do the eagles. And then he was like, and make me 185. And I'm like, can't do it. You're gonna have to be fat Jesus. Sorry, Chubbs,

[Frank]

that's me entering the program

[John Stewart]

now. Apparently, not everyone in the Christian community

[Frank]

took too kindly to Trump portraying himself this way. And the backlash was bad enough that Trump was forced to come up with his own incredibly plausible cover story.

[Reporter]

Mr. President, did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ?

[Interviewer]

Well, it wasn't depicted. It was. I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor.

[John Stewart]

That's you as a doctor. Oh, I'm sorry. What's this? Urgent care? Is that an urgent care? Is that what that is? Why don't you own it, you big puss bag? You put yourself out there as Jesus, you got called on it, and now you're like, God, do you even care about lying to us anymore? Is it over? Is this relationship gone stale? Your lies used to have a real spark. They're eating the cats and dogs. Venezuela stole the 2020 election, and now the best you've got is, oh, it wasn't Jesus. I'm a doctor.

[Frank]

You need to find your happy place and Fast. We expect better lies, sir. And can I just remind you, Mr. President, we're in the middle of a grinding war with Iran. Can you just address that in a

[John Stewart]

straightforward way with the American people without

[Frank]

all this other weird shit going on? Can you just do that once?

[Interviewer]

I don't think it gets much more hostile than Iran. They're capable fighters. They're very tough people. And there are others like that. You don't mind when the enemy is weak, but that enemy is strong.

[Frank]

You guys see the rabbit too, right? I've been.

[John Stewart]

You see it? Oh, thank God. I'm so glad they see it.

[Frank]

You know, clearly, I've been on a lot of leprosy meds, so I don'. A lot of hallucinations and shit.

[John Stewart]

By the way, the surreal image of the President running through his cavalcade of

[Frank]

grievances next to the Easter Bunny was not exclusive to the Balcony.

[John Stewart]

Poor Peter Cottontail had to listen to this bullshit all day.

[Interviewer]

We've broken every record on the stock market, We've broken every record in our military. And we are the most respected country anywhere in the world with the greatest military. Mr. Jameson Greer. Have you heard of him? He's right here.

[John Stewart]

Come on.

[Interviewer]

How are we doing on trade?

[John Stewart]

It's a big country.

[Interviewer]

They can't fight back. They have no capability. NATO should be ashamed of themselves. This is about eggs. Eggs.

[John Stewart]

I'm sorry, that's insane. I can't help but think that if Jesus came back to see the White House Easter event, he'd be like, I think you may have misunderstood my message. At one point, the show the Easter Bunny got so bad, you're not sure if it was an episode of the Office.

[Interviewer]

Did anybody in the egg industry vote for Kamala? A low IQ person? She's a low IQ person.

[John Stewart]

In the middle of it, the Easter Bunny does one of these. He and his eyes don't move, his head is immobile, and he still landed the. You believe this? How up do you have to be for an adult in a bunny suit to go, all right, now I'm embarrassed. But back to Iran. If you remember correctly, about a week ago, Donald Trump had given Iran a deadline to open up the Strait of

[Frank]

Hormuz or face the end of their civilization. And while Iran neither opened up the Strait of Hormuz or faced the end of their civilization, they did agree to a two week ceasefire and to meet in Islamabad, Pakistan, to talk.

[John Stewart]

Let's go there now.

[Reporter]

The fate of the U. S. Iran war is hanging in the balance, the

collective world holding its breath.

Highest stakes talks between the US and Iran in many years in the balance, the lives of millions of people across the Middle east and the fate of the global economy.

[Frank]

My God, these negotiations couldn't be more critical.

[John Stewart]

We're going to need everybody. Bunny pack your eggs. We're going to Pakistan. But what luck for the United States because what Iran might not realize is our President is the greatest negotiator in the history of. We are talking about this year's recipient of the FIFA Peace Prize and some gold thing from Apple. And they don't just give those to anyone.

[Frank]

I had the inflection wrong. They don't give those to anyone. I would have loved to see those Iran negotiators for when the formidable negotiator in chief, Donald Jehoshapheffer Trump entered those talks on Saturday in Islamabad, unfortunately, he

[John Stewart]

couldn't make it because I shit you not, he went to a UFC fight with Dana White.

[Frank]

Now, before you criticize the President of the United States for attending a UFC fight around the same time that America and Iran are locked in high stakes negotiations in Islamabad, you do have to understand he had fantastic seats. Like super close. Like, uncomfortably weird and close.

[Interviewer]

You're a beautiful guy. Great fighter. Thanks to give you a hug. You look so good. You're too good looking to be a fighter. You are some fighter. Thank you, man.

[Frank]

Hey, one last thing. You wouldn't mind trying on a bunny suit, would you? Now let's. Let's see where those eggs come out of. I don't really understand Easter, but it, it's fine. The President didn't need to be in Islamabad. I'm sure he can delegate some of the heavy lifting to his accomplished Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who.

[John Stewart]

Oh, he's also at the fight. Come on. And by the way, what in the

[Frank]

pit bull are those? Hand signals? No disrespect to Marco repping the 305, but if Trump isn't in Islamabad and Marco Rubio isn't in Islamabad, who exactly

[John Stewart]

is in Islamabad handling these extremely delicate negotiations?

[Jane]

Hey, guys, Good morning. Thanks for coming.

[John Stewart]

Jane, Dolores Vance, you, World peace depends on chubby face Muldoon.

[Frank]

Well, all right, fine. I remain open minded. Let's set the scene. Obviously, the last Iran agreement took the Obama administration 20 months to negotiate. And this time there's a wide gap between the US position and the Iranian position. The US is asking for an unconditional surrender. Iran is asking for control of the Strait of Hormuz, nuclear enrichment and money. I'm glad the Pakistanis are Setting the stage for what will be extensive and grueling talks.

[Reporter]

The host country declaring a national holiday, implementing a lockdown in the capital of Islamabad.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

The Pakistani government welcomed both delegations with

[John Stewart]

flowers as they both got off the plane.

[Reporter]

The building was decked out in branding. There were signs that read Islamabad Talks. Reporters were offered specially branded brewed for peace coffee.

[Frank]

Peace talks have a signature cocktail. Are the countries registered?

[John Stewart]

You know, I apologize.

[Frank]

I'm sorry. Respect Pakistan for taking this seriously and for locking the U.S. and Iran in for the long haul.

[Pope Francis]

U.S. vice President J.D.

[Frank]

vance and his delegation are headed home. What? It's over already? Oh, my God. Did JD Vance just nail this in a. Did JD Vance just. Rubik's Cube world peace.

[John Stewart]

Just that. Ba, ba boom.

[Frank]

You know what? J.D. vance, I owe you an apology. I thought you were some kind of incompetent, unlikable, cytoplasmic apparition of a meat bag filled with cynical ambition, a cipher whose only principle is devotion to power. But you're not that at all. You are a competent, unlikable cytoplasmic apparition of a meatbag.

[Reporter]

US officials say there's no deal. Following 16 hours of negotiations with Iran.

[John Stewart]

Wait. And you didn't even get. Wait, you went home and didn't even get a deal? It failed. And you just came home that

[Frank]

well. I'm sorry. Don't be too hard on yourself. You did give it almost a day. I mean, we all knew that's what it took to build Rome. Jesus, couldn't you have just thrown down some of that peace coffee and pulled an all nighter?

[John Stewart]

No, let's resume in the morning and build on some momentum.

[Frank]

Just. I gotta go. I don't want to miss Euphoria. At least tell us after all this, there were some concessions. You got the Strait of Hormuz open.

[Reporter]

President Trump announcing today a US Military blockade of all ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz.

[John Stewart]

Now we're blocking it, the benefit up. Godfather,

[Frank]

you think you're gonna close the straight?

[John Stewart]

No.

[Frank]

No, my friend. We're closing the straight. You think you can kick me in the balls?

[Announcer]

No.

[John Stewart]

Watch this. Are we ever gonna get this Hormuz straight?

[Frank]

I'm telling you, man, it's all starting to fall apart in MAGA world. The whole thing spread too thin. Even Trump's overseas allies are in trouble.

[Jane]

Viktor Orban, one of President Trump's closest allies in Europe, is facing his toughest challenge as he tries to win a fifth term as Prime Minister.

[John Stewart]

Well, no, no, that shouldn't be a Problem.

[Frank]

We all know Trump is the endorser in chief. He shows up to a rally, almost inevitably that person gets elected.

[John Stewart]

Is Trump going to head to Hungary

[Frank]

to prop up his boy Orban?

[John Stewart]

I mean, who else could you send?

[Jane]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[John Stewart]

No. Yes. Apparently, a couple of days before JD Vance shit the bed in his llama bot, he took a practice crap in Budapest.

[Reporter]

JD Vance treated the crowd to a phone call live from Donald Trump. Here's how it all played out.

[Jane]

I actually had a special guest that asked that I give him a phone call and we'll see. Let's hope he actually answers. This is going to be very embarrassing.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

All right, I'm sorry.

[Frank]

The person you were trying to reach

[John Stewart]

has a voicemail box that has not been set up yet.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Okay.

[John Stewart]

Wow. J.D. vance has the same relationship with President Trump that we have with Comcast customer service. That's incredible. Can I tell you my favorite part of the whole thing was the sort

[Frank]

of Vegas magician part at the beginning with the phone. Hey, I've got a special friend.

[John Stewart]

But JD you flew all the way over there. Give her another go.

[Jane]

Okay, try, try one more time. I get a good signal here. It's ringing. It's progress, Mr. President. You are on with about 5,000 Hungarian patriots, and I think they love you even more than they love Viktor Orban.

[Frank]

Oh, my God.

[John Stewart]

You ass kissing, cytoplasmic. Blah, blah, blah. What I said earlier. God.

[Frank]

But you know what? I'm sure that by pulling out the big gun, having Donald Trump and J.D. vance throw all of the American power behind Viktor Orban is sure to pay dividends.

[Reporter]

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban was voted out of power in a massive landslide.

[John Stewart]

And seen.

[Frank]

Please, God, let the dam be breaking. Folks, This has been a truly shit year as we have all been at the mercy of the mercurial whims of a megalomaniacal man. Baby. And we are tired. The presidency is supposed to age the President, not the people. But I'm telling you, there is hope. The air of Donald Trump's invincibility is being slowly eroded by world events and his own heart's ability to clear liquid from his capillaries. That's why Bunch is at the bottom. But we cannot give in to the sadness. We must embrace these moments of light and hope and oxygen. Even Maga is beginning to realize the depths of this man's depravity. No matter how much we love the person, he's healing. And I do appreciate, and to the dismay of Donald Trump and his acolytes, an illiberal autocrat who controlled the media, stacked the judiciary and manipulated the electoral process of his country has been crushed because the people of Hungary stood up and said

[Aziz Abu Sara]

this.

[Frank]

We must remember these moments of going to show you something. These are Hungarians. It's not where we are right now, but I am starting to believe it is where we could be soon. Drink in their jubilation, take solace and strength from their joy.

[John Stewart]

All right, that might be a little much, but you know what? Sure it dance like that. And remember, as we grind through these

[Frank]

next two and a half years, it ain't over till the Freddie Mercury sings. We'll get there soon.

[John Stewart]

When we come back, Aziz Abu Tirah and Mayo Zinan will be joining us. Don't go.

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[John Stewart]

Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guests tonight, they are Palestinian and Israeli peace activists and authors of the

[Frank]

Future is a Shared Journey across the Holy Land. Please welcome to the program Aziz Abu Sara and Meoz Inam. So lovely to meet you gentlemen. To see you gentlemen. The book the Future is Peace. It is a honestly a beautiful testament to the two of yours, friendship and the pilgrimage that you took together. But I want to add some weight to the trip you take. You have both been touched by the tragedies in Israel and Palestine. I'll start with you, Aziz.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Yeah, I grew up in East Jerusalem. I grew up with occupation. I mean, I Was shot at first time when I was, I think seven or eight years old. Had to be frisked going to school. I carried an onion every day with me to school because I was afraid of tear gas. And I told my mom, I'm not going to school anymore. And she said no. If you take an onion and you cut it and when they shoot tear gas at you, you just have to smell it. So that was my normal days. And then when I was.

[John Stewart]

Does that work?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

I hope it does because it worked for me. I can't tell you if it's gonna work for you, but it did. It gave me the confidence to go to school because I was terrified of going to school. And then I was nine years old, my brother was arrested from home. I'm the youngest of seven. He's the one just older than me. This is Taseer Taysir. Yeah. And he was taken to interrogation, was beaten up, tortured on allegation of throwing rocks. And eventually because of that beating, he ended up dying soon after he was released from prison.

[Frank]

And you were how old when you're broke?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

I was 10 years old. I was mad. I was very angry. All I wanted is revenge at that point.

[Frank]

And this is, by the way, Tasir. So you two shared a room? You shared a bed?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

We shared a bed, yes.

[Frank]

And you write very movingly of that day where the bed is cold.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Yeah. Taysir was more like my parent than my brother. I'm the oops child. I wasn't planned for sure. Which really makes no sense because you

[John Stewart]

know what can happen.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

My parents are religious.

[Frank]

An onion?

[John Stewart]

Yes,

[Frank]

you get an onion in there.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

My parents, being religious Muslims, don't drink alcohol. And I never understood how do you make an ass child? You don't have a bottle of wine with that.

[John Stewart]

There are holidays, birthdays. It happens.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

No, but he basically my parents handed me to him and he's the one who took me to school my first day. He's the one who protected me, he's the one who took care of me. And when he died, I felt like my protector is gone.

[Frank]

And Mose tragedy hit you more recently?

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Meoz Inan]

My parents, Sebilia and Jacobi, were among the first victims of the Hamas attack. The last time I spoke with them was Saturday morning, 7:45am, speaking to my father. They were in the safe room. They lived only 200 meters in moshav Netiva Asara, an Israeli community, the closest Israeli community to the Gaza border on the north side. And I told my dad that I love him. I could hear my mom in the background, they told me that there is a wall around them, that they can hear the shooting, the missiles, the sirens. So I told dad, okay, I'll call you soon. And five minutes after, I called them, and there was no answer. And later in the afternoon, we got the news that their house was burned to ashes with them inside. And that day, I lost many of my childhood friends, people I knew my entire life. And first thing Sunday morning, we started the Shiva, the seventh day of mourning for the Jewish people. And on the second day, we were sitting together, me, my three sisters, and my young brother. And my young brother asked us to take a family decision, that we are rejecting revenge, that we don't want to avenge the death of our parents, of our beloved parents, because avenging their deaths is not going to bring them back to life. It will only escalate the cycle of violence, bloodshed, and suffering that we Palestinian Israelis been trapped within for a century. And we choose to take my young brother advice. And this is the message we've been sending ever since. In that moment, in that moment, in that moment, only two days after, what

[Frank]

was it that you said you wanted only revenge? And you're 10 years old. I imagine it's an incredibly formidable and seminal experience in your life. When did you move off of the feeling of vengeance?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Took me eight years. Because when you 10 years old, you feel somebody. It felt like somebody punched me in the face. And if somebody punches you in the face, you feel, when you're 10, you punch back. And I felt I would be a terrible brother if I don't. But at 18, I went to study Hebrew for the first time in my life. And my Hebrew teacher was an Israeli Jewish woman. All my class was Jewish immigrants to Israel. And I met the first Israeli ever who treated me like a human being that looked at me at 18. At 18, I met many Israelis, usually soldiers at checkpoints or settlers who came into our towns and burned homes and cars and so on. But this teacher treating me differently put me on this journey, because I suddenly realized we don't have to be on opposite sides. We can be on the same side, fighting for justice together, fighting for peace together. We not enemies. This idea of dividing us, Israeli versus Palestinian, is a terrible one. If you must divide us, it's those of us who believe in justice and equality, in peace, and those who don't. Yet.

[Frank]

That's amazing.

[John Stewart]

Now, how. How then, if I may, how does.

[Frank]

How does this happen? How did the two of you.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

I signed up to an app called JDate.

[Meoz Inan]

I was have you seen John there?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

I was trying to get you, John, but I got.

[Frank]

I got.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

I wasn't very happy.

[Interviewer]

Understood.

[John Stewart]

Understood.

[Frank]

I'm not on there anymore, but understood. Incredible.

[John Stewart]

What's in the book? Slightly different story.

[Frank]

But you were working together in that space of peace.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Yes.

[Frank]

And after October 7th, you reached out. Was that difficult for you to do, and was that difficult for you to receive?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

No, it was not difficult. It wasn't the first time I've done it to somebody who's lost family members. And I didn't do it because I knew if he would respond or not. I've met Maoz a few years earlier. We both work in tourism as well. Tourism and peacebuilding. And I just felt in times like this, you need to show empathy, you need to show love. You need to reach out to people who suffer. And it doesn't matter if they're Israeli or Palestinian, you need to take an initiative. And I knew I should do it. It wasn't even something I had to think about.

[Meoz Inan]

Yeah. And it was only three days after I lost my parents, and the night before, I had a vision. As I was crying in bed at night, my entire body was in pain. And through my tears, I could see the entire humanity crying with me. We were all crying. And our tears went down our body, our bodies. And our bodies were wounded from the war. They were crushed. They were buried. And as our tears were washing our bodies, our tears healed us, cured us. And then our tears started going down to the earth. And the earth was soaked with blood you could not see. Sand, grass, flowers. It was all blooded. And then our tears start purifying the land, and the land become shining and brilliant. And then in my vision, I could see a path. I could see the path of peace and reconciliation. And I made a decision that in order to heal myself, to save myself from drowning in an ocean of sorrow and pain, I must choose this path. And a few hours after I received this message, Aziz offering his condolences. And it was like a hand reaching out, saving me from falling into the abyss. And since then, in the last two and a half years, walking together, quartering. The future is peaceful. I can now say that, yes, I lost my parents, family, childhood, friends, people I knew my entire life. But I want Aziz. I want Aziz as a brother.

[Frank]

What I thought is so brilliant about the book is it's really split up into parts. There's Aziz speaking for yourself, there's Meoz speaking for himself, and the two of you speaking together. And what's so interesting about the book is Reconciliation doesn't mean agreement. And as you guys set off on this eight day pilgrimage through different sites within your communities, whether it be the home where you're born, whether it was your childhood home, you don't necessarily agree, but you allow the space for each other to speak the grace.

[Meoz Inan]

Yes. This is why it's a shared journey. So at the first day in Kibbutz Niram, we are meeting Batya Segev, a friend of my parents who lost her daughter, her son in Law, and two of her grandchild on October 7th. And after we are speaking, we are speaking to Abdel Rahim from Gaza, who lost many of his family members. And they both are sharing their own pain, but also encouraging us to continue on our journey, on our journey to pursuit justice and peace. And so we go day after day, meeting many people, sharing stories from the history from the biblical time, mythology, and meeting the people on the ground. And our people on the ground are transforming revenge into reconciliation, despair into hope, and trauma into healing.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Pope Francis told us when we met him that the only place that doesn't have disagreement and conflict is a cemetery. It's the only place that doesn't have conflict. There is no place in the world without some kind of conflict. The humans will disagree. It's about how we deal with that conflict and what we decided to do. We said, we're gonna talk to each other, keep at it, even when we disagree, even when we don't see eye to eye until we solve our disagreement or figure out a way to live with that disagreement.

[Frank]

How do you, when you get into those moments of. Well, in 1948, the Napa, you know, they were. Well, you left the land on your own volition. No, they were chased out. They were murdered. What do you do in those moments where two histories collide with narratives that don't in any way align?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

I'll give you an example from my dad.

[Frank]

Please.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

My father came to a peace, his first peace agreement. He was a peace meeting. He was very opposed to me going and meeting Israelis in the beginning. Mainly he was afraid they're gonna put me in prison. And the same thing that happened to my brother and to his cousin would happen to me. And he came and after he heard a few minutes, he raised his hand and he goes, I have a question. This Holocaust thing, you guys talk about it, I'm like, I was the chairman of that organization. I'm going like, oh, no, I'm getting fired. And he goes, did it really happen? And I'm already thinking, I'm fired already.

[John Stewart]

I Love the fact, though, that no

[Frank]

matter who you are, dads are dads,

[John Stewart]

but your parents always embarrassed your parents are your parents. No matter what. It's like, oh, my God, don't do the accent. What are you doing?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

But he asked that, or did the Israeli government, it uses it for what it's doing to us. And he goes on and on, and you can hear a pin drop in the room. Nobody knew how to deal with it. And then my good friend, our good friend Ramil Hanan, whose father was in Auschwitz, he stood up and he said, I don't want you to believe in something you never learned about. If you're willing, I'll have my dad, who was in Auschwitz, take you to the Holocaust Memorial and walk you through it and listen to the story, listen to what he went through. And that's what we did. 70 other Palestinians went with my dad to the Holocaust Memorial with the parents circle who organized this. And it was incredible. It wasn't easy. There were moments that were very tense. A whole day, people cried, people were hurt at times, people were upset at times. Two weeks later, the Israelis, a week or two later in the same organization, came and said, you did this. We want to do the same. Can we come to a Palestinian village that was destroyed in 1948? We want to hear your story. And again, it was not easy. It was really difficult. But unless we ask the difficult questions, unless we're willing to not just walk on eggshells, which many people do, even the peace movement, sometimes we can't walk on eggshells. We need to be honest and say, here's where we disagree. Let's go and visit, let's talk, let's understand, it's fine, let's debate it.

[Frank]

So how is this, you know, when you are outside of. I know my reaction to you guys. All I want to do is hug you and talk about this beautiful book and how wonderful it is. And Pope Francis is coming by and going, like, let me tell you something, Frank. Like, you know, you're being received in a really heroic way. I think people are appreciating your courage and certainly your humanity and grace in Israel and Palestine. How do people do people perceive you as naive? Do they think this is cute, but this isn't meaningful? How did they view this journey and this relationship?

[Meoz Inan]

So I'm feeling. We are feeling supported, appreciated than ever in our life before. And if it. When we met Pope Francis, just after this, the event at the arena de Pacha in Verona, an amazing out of body experience. Meeting the Pope, I Had to stop

[Aziz Abu Sara]

him from converting almost. It was like, I'm going Catholic.

[John Stewart]

Yeah. And then once he is circumcised, there's no going back. But the toothpaste is out of the tube, unfortunately.

[Meoz Inan]

And the moment it ended, my aunts, my father, sister called me, saying that they were crying in front of the tv, watching us embracing with Pope Francis. And at the end of the month, April 30th, we're going to do a peace summit in Tel Aviv where thousands, maybe even more Israelis and Palestinians will gather together, will prove that dialogue is already happening, that reconciliation is a grassroots process that we start investing within, and that the future is, of course, peace.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

I think. I think people, we get legitimacy from these meetings. Us being here gives us legitimacy.

[Meoz Inan]

Us meeting, yes.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

You have no idea how popular.

[Reporter]

I'm just gonna.

[John Stewart]

Very quickly.

[Frank]

How small is this movement?

[Aziz Abu Sara]

We're trying to grow it, but no. Meeting with Pope Francis gives us leisure. But honestly, it gives us the ability to say, look, the world can see what's happening, and we need to take a stand. Everybody needs to take a stand. No one can say, oh, this is not my problem. This is not my conflict. Everyone has to be involved. This is our message to Americans. I started watching you around the Iraq war, and I remember, yes, I haven't changed a bit. You look as young and beautiful. And I remember because most American media was super pro the war. Even the liberals were very pro of the war. And you took a stand to criticize that war and say, war is wrong. And it was a comedy show. And I'm like, okay, he used his comedy show to stand for something. I can use my ability, being a person to do and stand for something. Everyone can do it. Whether you are a comedian, whether you are in tourism, whether you are politics. None of us really have an excuse. And we lost our family members. We know the price for it. People don't have to wait until they lose somebody in their family to stand up for justice.

[John Stewart]

That's such a beautiful statement. And I want to follow the pointer because it's something you make in the book.

[Frank]

And by the way, I've been watching you since the Iraq war as well.

[Meoz Inan]

You haven't changed a bit.

[Frank]

You haven't changed a bit. No, but it's a point you make in the. Because there's a certain idea that, oh, dialogue and grace and common ground and humanity. It's so naive, it will never solve the problem. But you know what strikes me as more naive? Bombing your way to peace, Killing your way to peace. That has Never worked. It will not work now. It will not create any kind of solution without what you two are doing, everything else is meaningless. Everything else is violence. And so I would say, I would challenge those at war and say that's naive.

[Meoz Inan]

Naive, Exactly. Those who believe that bombs will bring quiet, that war will defend, and that war will bring security, they are the naive. We are here. We are the pragmatists. We are the voice of reason. And we are those who learn from history that the only way to reach a sustainable peace and justice is only through dialogue, only through looking to the other side in the eye. Start feeling his pain. Start listening to his trauma, to his challenges, acknowledging them, not necessarily agree, but acknowledging and recognizing his suffering, his pain, and then start working together to create hope.

[Frank]

If they can do it in Northern Ireland and they can do it in Rwanda, and they can do it in various places.

[Meoz Inan]

And Israel and Egypt, Israel and Germany. Today we are marking the Holocaust day in Israel. The Holocaust Day. But only seven years after the Holocaust, the reconciliation agreement between Israel and Germany was accomplished and signed.

[Frank]

No, this can be done.

[Meoz Inan]

It can be done. It will be done.

[Frank]

This journey that you take and I urge everybody to get this book because it is a beautiful travelogue. And the setting, it's so interesting because it is in the Holy Land. And so what you imagine as a pilgrimage is really the scenic backdrop of their healing journey. It's. We walk down the street where Jesus walked towards his crucifixion. We went to the Garden of Gethsemane, we are at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and at the Dome of the Rock, and at. But within that is their healing journey. And I want to give you as the last word. I know you have a sort of poem that you carry with you that you believe sums up the feeling here. So if you will.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

And it's a travel. So what we did in the book is a journey. And we want to invite everyone to travel with us. And Sameh Al Qasim, who's a Palestinian poet, wrote this incredible poem called Travel Time and says, the day I'm killed, my killer rifling through my pockets will find travel tickets. One to peace, one to the fields in the rain, and one to the conscience of a humankind. So I beg you, my dear killer, do not waste such a thing. Do not ignore these tickets. Please take them and go travel. And that's our invite to everyone. Please take these tickets and go travel with us.

[Frank]

Thank you so much for being here.

[John Stewart]

The Futurist Peace Aziz Abu Sharah Come on, guys. Fantastic. We'll be right back after this. Groupon. Come on, man. Thank you. That is our show for the night. But before we go, we're going to check in with your host for the rest of the week, Mr. Ronny Chang. Ronnie, so nice to see you. Tell the people.

[Frank]

What are you going to be covering this week?

[Ronny Chang]

Well, John, the Masters was this past weekend where, unfortunately, Rory McIlroy won and not my favorite Asian golfer, Tiger Woods.

[Frank]

Right. Tiger obviously didn't play because of the.

[Ronny Chang]

I know, John. That's why Tiger is by far my least favorite black driver.

[Frank]

Do you want to run that by me one more time?

[John Stewart]

Yeah, sure.

[Aziz Abu Sara]

Sure.

[John Stewart]

Yeah.

[Ronny Chang]

It's very important you remember that the black side of Tiger woods does the driving and the Asian side does the golfing.

[Meoz Inan]

His Asian.

[Ronny Chang]

Asian side has nothing to do with the driving.

[John Stewart]

Got it. No, you can't, Ronnie. You can't just split it. You can't just split. You can't just credit Tiger's Asian side

[Frank]

for the good things.

[Ronny Chang]

Okay, fine. His Asian side also does the infidelity. Okay. Is that.

[John Stewart]

But how does he get there?

[Ronny Chang]

Well, the black side drives him.

[John Stewart]

Okay, here it is. Moment is that. That you can't do that.

[Interviewer]

Their policy is no good. They want to have. I mean, open borders. They want to have men playing in women's sport. Do you think that men should play in women's sports?

[Reporter]

I really don't have an opinion on that.

[Frank]

You don't?

[Interviewer]

I'll bet you do.

[John Stewart]

No.

[Reporter]

I'm here about tax on tips.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Announcer]

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[Meoz Inan]

Plus,

[Announcer]

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[Pope Francis]

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