COTA: It’s Entertaining Until It’s You…

Summary

The Dale Jr. Download – “COTA: It’s Entertaining Until It’s You…”

Podcast: The Dale Jr. Download
Host: Dale Earnhardt Jr. (with TJ Majors, Connor Zillich, Russell, and others)
Date: March 3, 2026
Episode Theme: Reflections on NASCAR’s unpredictable start to the season, Tyler Reddick’s historic run, the culture of competitiveness (and controversy) among up-and-coming drivers, plus plenty of candid shop talk, racing strategy, and fan-favorite banter.

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OVERVIEW

This episode, recorded after the NASCAR race at Circuit of the Americas (COTA), centers on:

• Tyler Reddick’s three-race win streak—a historic feat—raising questions about consistency, championship odds, and where the new points system might take the season.
• The blend of entertainment, controversy, and self-policing on the track, with deep dives on driver feuds, teammate dynamics, and retaliation.
• Behind-the-scenes insights into trading card collecting, video game dynasty leagues, and shop talk about racing culture.
• Notable discussions with guest Tyler Reddick about leadership and team mentality, plus a “Dirty Mo Doe” segment with betting and predictions.
• A signature blend of humor, nostalgia, and candid criticism characteristic of Dale Jr. and crew.

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KEY SEGMENTS & DISCUSSIONS

1. Kicking Off: Cheating, Gaming, and Card Collecting

Timestamps: 02:32 – 12:27

• The group opens with lighthearted banter about video game dynasty playoffs and the “unwritten rules” of competitive gaming—parallels to racing, including the fine line between innovation and cheating.
• Dale Jr.: “I don't condone cheating unless it's in a competition. Yeah. Then it's fair.” (05:07)
• Dale confesses to falling “addicted to trading cards again,” describing how the hobby’s recent resurgence—especially among athletes—has inspired him. He hints at a unique custom card project with Panini, wanting to embed himself in the card-making process.
• Dale Jr.: “I want to make a card. I want to make it from start to finish ... see what the draw or demand is for said card. That would be really fun.” (12:27)

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2. Tyler Reddick’s Record-Setting Start & The New Points System

Timestamps: 12:31 – 23:08

• Discussion pivots to Tyler Reddick’s unprecedented three-win streak to open the season.
  • Everyone marvels at his consistency and the significant points buffer he’s built.
  • The implications for the championship race, especially with “heavy hitters” mired further down the standings.
• Dale Jr.: “My man Tyler Reddick has a lock on being in the top three. He's 86 points above Ryan Blaney, who's in fourth. Barring a collapse, that should do it ... And he's top three.” (14:02)
• They discuss the wisdom in focusing on the next stretch of “traditional” oval tracks to gauge which teams truly have sustainable speed.
• Debate over whether it’s too soon to anoint Reddick as a title contender, but all agree the new points system rewards hot starts more than ever.
• TJ: “It's not possible for somebody to have a flawless [season]. He can't win every race.” (16:31)
• Connor Zillich: “It is really compelling because someone that helped create this point system ... told me that in most cases, the champion came out of the top three.” (19:31)
• Noted surprise at household Cup names—like Larson, Hamlin, and Bell—being over 100 points behind.

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3. “It’s Entertaining Until It’s You”: Driver Feuds & Self-Policing

Timestamps: 25:39 – 38:14

• Recap of feuds and payback stories: Cole Custer vs. Carson Hocevar, the dangers of messing with frustrated racers at the back of the field, and the emotionally charged reactions these situations generate.
• Dale Jr.: “Those are the guys that you don't piss off. Right. Those are the guys that will absolutely hook your ass and say, I don't give a [bleep].” (27:30)
• Dale shares a hilarious self-deprecating story about being spun by a miserable Darrell Waltrip as a rookie at Martinsville: “I've had enough of this and I've had enough of you. Next corner, around I go.” (27:43)
• In-depth look at how sim racing and online reactions can shape young drivers’ instincts—for better (racecraft) or worse (overly reactive tempers).
• Dale Jr.: “There'll be no iracing slander on my podcast ... But it’s true. The mentality that is successful racing at Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta is a frame of mind ... What’s successful on iracing tends to also ... be successful in the real world.” (29:02–32:06)
• Discussion of the upsides and downsides of volatile personalities—entertainment versus risk—for fan engagement and sport growth.

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4. Teammate Dynamics, Driver Maturity & The Path to Cup

Timestamps: 38:14 – 62:54

• Extended, candid talk about why driver feuds and teammate collisions are so common, especially among young talents like Corey Day and Carson Hocevar, who lack the long-term perspective of Cup veterans.
• The challenge of drivers viewing teammates as obstacles, not allies: “They don't ... nurture or create relationships with their teammates. They don't. It's transactional ... They have no relationship to the car.” (46:28)
• Dale recounts how, in the old days, drivers “named our damn race cars ... They had personality. We had our favorites.”
• The business side: Owners and sponsors are motivated to get talent to Cup quickly, sometimes at the expense of seasoning.
• Dale Jr.: “You still learn racecraft no matter what vehicle you're in. Xfinity, you know, cars to whatever. Racecraft can be learned, and drivers can improve ... I encourage years in a late model, years in a truck, years in a bush car.” (38:14)
• Tyler Reddick joins to reflect on his own approach to being a good teammate (“I always err on the side of give too much room”), recalling hard choices between going for wins vs. helping teammates, and the emotional toll of retaliation.

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5. Mental Game: Retaliation, Apologies & Growth

Timestamps: 62:54 – 72:16

• Deep dive into emotional control, switching from rage to rationale, and the maturing process:
• Russell: “When the driver flips that switch, it feels like ... you've ran a clean race, you've done everything right ... and then you just get run over. I feel like that's when the flip just goes.”
• Dale Jr.: “You want the guy [who wrecked you] to tell you the truth ... The harder path is usually the right choice. The more difficult, uncomfortable, challenging decision is usually the one you should choose.” (51:34)
• Discussion on how rookie impatience or over-aggression can sabotage career growth—and why being “irrelevant” is more dangerous for a young racer than being controversial.

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6. Points System Deep Dive with Tyler Reddick

Timestamps: 67:35 – 75:21

• Reddick is asked about the mood on his team, the value of stage points, and how strategy shifts when you’re at the top of the table.
• Tyler Reddick: “...a lot of those guys around you are probably thinking, ‘we need these stage points.’ We’re going to be in the spot to where it’s like, ‘hey, we can give up four or five spots or four or five points here, it’s okay.’ ... We can kind of just take a second look at what’s ahead and have calm, clear thinking when we make these decisions at these races.” (70:57)
• Talk about how “bonus points” accumulate fast and the importance of snapshots after each traditional track stretch.

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7. Culture, Music & Lighter Fan Questions

Timestamps: 84:38 – 103:46

• Fun banter over whether Dale Jr. would give up beer or video games (and the history of drinking in racing circles).
• Nostalgic trip through music memories—Pearl Jam vs. Smashing Pumpkins, memorable albums, and how music shapes moments: “Music, obviously, in my life, plays a massive role ... I remember when I heard this song, this song, this song. I remember where I was, what I was doing.” (99:06)
• French toast hacks, favorite potato forms, and quirky personal anecdotes round out the fan Q&A.

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8. Dirty Mo Doe: Betting Insights & Predictions for Phoenix

Timestamps: 105:38 – 116:34

• Betting models for Phoenix: Blaney and Bell are the model’s favorites; long shots like Ross Chastain and Josh Berry discussed.
• Russell: “These are my two long run guys. ... At the Row courses, certainly there's a great opportunity, if you're a 10th place car, to be able to grab stage points ... and claw their way back to a good finish.” (72:59)
• Cheeky quibbling over which bets are “easy,” the arguments for manufacturer picks, and reflections on last year’s races and tire choices.

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MEMORABLE QUOTES

• Dale Jr., on feuding: “We need people like Hocevar. We need people like Connor Zillich. ... We need all these very great, awesome, different personalities, right? And we need to be celebrating that. ... When they're not talking about you, is when you need to be worried.” (34:24)
• Dale Jr., on sim racing’s transfer to real racing: “At Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta, it’s a mind thing ... What works and what's successful on iracing tends to ... be successful in the real world.” (31:42)
• TJ, on cordial apologies: “Is it easier to handle if you get out and hear his interview and just be like, ‘yeah, I just got in there ... I didn't mean to do it,’ ... That is the way forward. That's the way to keep things from festering.” (49:38–51:34)

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HIGHLIGHTS & STANDOUT MOMENTS

• Tyler Reddick’s live third-win celebration and discussion—unfiltered insights into leadership, pressure, and points strategies.
• Dale Jr. challenging "transactional" teammate mindsets among today’s young drivers vs. previous Cup generations.
• Debate on rules-bending in both racing and gaming, with Dale Jr. humorously owning his willingness to skirt rules (“...cheating in motorsports doesn’t bother me...”).
• Camaraderie and conflict stories, from pranks to payback, to the importance of admitting mistakes on and off track.
• Music & nostalgia break: How specific songs and albums set the mood for milestone moments and why music matters so much to Dale Jr.

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CONCLUSION

A classic, wide-ranging episode blending the core of modern NASCAR’s plot twists with vintage Dale Jr. storytelling—full of humor, candor, and the kind of racing insight only lived experience can bring. Listeners are treated to a rapid-fire mix of locker room banter, genuine tips for aspiring racers, and a peek beneath the hood of a championship-caliber team.

For those who missed it, this episode delivers:

• An essential look at the pulse of the early NASACAR season
• Hard-earned wisdom on competition, teamwork, and emotional growth
• Candid celebration of racing culture—warts and all
• The fan-favorite “Dirty Mo Doe” betting segment, plus music, food, and trading card side quests

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NOTABLE SEGMENT TIMESTAMPS

| Segment Topic | Start | Notable Quotes/Insights | |-------------------------------------|--------------------|----------------------------------------| | Cheating & Gaming Culture | 02:32 | “I don’t condone cheating unless …” | | Trading Card Revival | 07:56 | “I am … addicted to trading cards again.” (07:56) | | Reddick’s 3-Peat & Points | 12:31 – 23:08 | “My man Tyler Reddick has a lock …” | | Payback & Driver Drama | 25:39 | “Those are the guys you don’t piss off”| | Teammate Dynamics/Old vs. New | 38:14 – 62:54 | “They have no relationship to the car …”| | Emotional Maturity in Racing | 62:54 – 72:16 | “The harder path is usually the right choice” | | Betting Strategies (Dirty Mo Doe) | 105:38 | Models say Bell & Blaney best bets | | Music, Memories, & Fan Q&A | 94:01 | “Music … plays a massive role …” |

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Listen for the laughs, stay for the wisdom. As Dale says:
“Above all, I want this sport to be bigger than any other sport … and that’s where we need the personalities, the drama, and the racing.”

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Transcript

[Dale Jr.]

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[TJ]

Yes, I don't know if we've ever argued. Did I piss you off over the

[Dale Jr.]

weekend or I'm still sour that I wasn't the best man at your wedding.

[Connor Zillich]

Who was your best man, Dale?

[Dale Jr.]

Tj. Tj. You don't need a cool vest for that race. What are you thinking? Get him, tj. That way. It's starting to show.

[TJ]

All right, then.

[Dale Jr.]

Hey, Everybody, it's Dell Jr. Back again for another episode of the Dell Jr. Download. And there's a bunch to talk about. I'm excited to be here. I am. Pj it's good to see you.

[TJ]

Yeah. Glad to be here.

[Dale Jr.]

Before we get too much further, we have to tell you that this episode is presented by Arby's. Arby's is a great new partner of ours. And Amy went to Arby's.

[Connor Zillich]

Love Arby's.

[TJ]

Did she get a meeting three box?

[Dale Jr.]

She did not. She got a roast beef and. Or something.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah. And she got some curly fries.

[Dale Jr.]

Yep. But yeah, don't forget about their new mean three boxes. You get more meal for your money at Arby's, especially with that meat. And three box. We have the meats. We have our dynasty for College football. Xbox, PlayStation.

[TJ]

Getting down to it again.

[Dale Jr.]

Down to it. We're in the semifinals for the playoffs. I have beaten. I've taken the UNC Tar Heels and beat the Florida Gators. That was Butterbean Queen.

[TJ]

You pretty happy about that one.

[Dale Jr.]

I am. I am. I hadn't played Butterbean in this dynasty, but he's a very good player. Beat some people. Beat you first. First week of this year.

[TJ]

Let's be honest. I beat myself.

[Dale Jr.]

But yes, he won first week of the season. He scored more points than you in that game. I don't know. TJ won't. Won't say he lost, but the guy he played scored more points. He did.

[Connor Zillich]

He won the game.

[Dale Jr.]

He will admit that fact.

[Connor Zillich]

It's an interesting way to not lose.

[Dale Jr.]

That's right. I didn't lose. But the other guy scored.

[TJ]

I threw five interceptions. You're going to lose.

[Dale Jr.]

I didn't lose, but I threw five interceptions.

[Connor Zillich]

Not on me. I called the right plays by players.

[Dale Jr.]

He didn't win. I threw five interceptions.

[TJ]

I mean, it's not like he did something. It's not like he did something crazy good. He did. He's won the game.

[Connor Zillich]

Picked you all five times.

[Dale Jr.]

You know why he didn't TJ get along? Because we both think about completely screwed up. Like our. Our perspective on life.

[TJ]

I would agree with you, but then I would be wrong, too.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Okay. Well, hey, I'm Happy, is Dale's roster now legal?

[Connor Zillich]

Legal?

[TJ]

Let's just say as far as I know, yes.

[Connor Zillich]

There's no, there's no ingenuity this year.

[TJ]

I don't. If he changed something, I wouldn't notice.

[Dale Jr.]

Anyway, so in this, in this one, you can't. If I could, I would.

[Connor Zillich]

It can pass Tech.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

If I could, I would.

[Dale Jr.]

I could. I would. Hey, I'm going to try. I'm going to Drew. I'm going to run my, my. I'm going to play video games the same way I try to race cars. And that is cheating in every opportunity. Every opportunity. I don't condone cheating unless it's in a competition.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Then it's fair.

[TJ]

Fair game.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I don't know. I mean, in some, in like high school and professional sports, like college football, not entirely comfortable with it. But in motorsports, I don't know why. It's good with me. Isn't it weird?

[Connor Zillich]

No, it's because that's the sport that I grew up on. Like, everybody is understanding that you're doing that. So everyone's all like, we're good with it.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. I don't know why cheating in motorsports doesn't bother me, but.

[TJ]

Are you talking about, like, I don't like. To me, there's different levels of cheating. There's like the blatant. The blatant drilled holes and stuff. Or there is the guys that are trying to like get more out of, you know.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

Like the truck arms when, you know, like, like bolting other pieces on them and doing, you know, innovative.

[Russell]

I guess.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Is that. There's a big, big. It's a bigger conversation to the show. But I would say that, you know, in terms of a friendly commerce, a friendly competition on our Xbox, if there's a way for me to skirt a few rules or do some things a little nefarious, you're looking at the guy that's going to try to do them.

[TJ]

I played Texas a little bit dirty. I called time out with one second to go and kick the field goal to make it 60.

[Dale Jr.]

Why you couldn't stand it being a uneven number.

[TJ]

First of all, he ran two kicks backs for touchdowns. And I was pissed at that. And then.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm sorry. He. He's. He's. He tried to win the game. That pissed you off. The nerve of this guy.

[TJ]

I mean, it was 57.

[Dale Jr.]

How dare you score.

[TJ]

57 to 14.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Sit down.

[Connor Zillich]

Stop trying.

[Dale Jr.]

Stop trying.

[TJ]

Exactly what I was. I mean, I'm chewing clock. But then I also. I'm also terrible at kicking, so I was like, you know what? I'm gonna get a little practice.

[Dale Jr.]

This is what I mean about tj. He's kicking. This guy's. The guy is. I mean, the. You know, the guy is having the. You know, his worst day of playing video games of the year. Right? Video games is not supposed to be unfun.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

But he's sitting there having literally his. His worst day on the console, and TJ's like, hey, man, lay down. How dare you try to score? It's sick.

[TJ]

Kind of.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, it's 57 to 14. Stop trying.

[TJ]

So instead of editing my players like you would, I just do that. Like, I'm more.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, that's t. Yeah, that's right. That's why me, tj, get along, because we're. We think we are. We have unrealistic expectations in life. We really do. So that's going on. Another thing that's happened, and I don't know how to tell you all this, but I have. I've fallen into addiction.

[Connor Zillich]

Hi, my name is Dale Jr. Yep.

[Dale Jr.]

I am. I'm addicted to trading cards again.

[Connor Zillich]

Oh, no.

[Dale Jr.]

Yep. It happened, I mean, in quick. A couple of days. I mean, it's been a week maybe.

[TJ]

Yeah. I could tell when I hand you that deal, you're like, a 10. I'm like, yeah, a 10.

[Dale Jr.]

He handed me a PSA 10 card and noticed by my reaction that I was.

[TJ]

You're like, this is a 10.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm like, I started shaking a little bit. I was a collector in the 80s and 90s of baseball cards. I have a lot of 87, 90 tops, Donrus Flir score, upper deck. Um, and I've had them stored away. I opened them the day that I bought them back in. Back. Back around when they were brand new, and then put them in boxes, and that's where they've been.

[TJ]

Ate the gum, put them away.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. And so, dude, I. I'm not quite sure how I got drugged back into this, but I'll say this. I saw Cole Swindell and Butterbean ripping packs, and then they were sending me pictures. They. They were doing something on social media. And then five minutes later, they send me a picture of these cards that they were. They had opened, and they had a couple of my cards that they had opened. And I'm like, man, everybody's doing this now. Like, yeah, baseball card. Baseball card collecting was probably more popular than any other sport back in the 80s and has been for. For many, many years. But now basketball and even the NFL to an extent are basketball's crazy right now. I'm not an expert, so forgive me all you card collecting experts out there, but in my inter, in my understanding is the hobby faded and struggled and has struggled for a while and right around five, six years ago it had a rebirth, it has had a comeback and I don't know why and I know you've been doing it for quite a couple years now. You got quite a collection. Yeah, well, it seems like everywhere I turn everyone's doing it. All my friends are sort of getting involved or have been involved in the last couple of years. And so yeah, I got drug back in, man, and it's fun. I went to a shop the other day for the first time in years, bought a couple cases and, or a couple of boxes and ripped some cards, had some fun, got some, pulled some good cards, got into my collection, started thumbing through all my car. I've got sleaze of cards that I'm going through and I'm like, damn, this is a thirty to forty dollar card sitting right here. Freaking mint. And so fun to do that. Fun to kind of rediscover and get my cards in a little bit better of a protected state. Sleeving them up and putting them in top loaders and stuff like that. And it has me think I've got an idea. So we do cards with Panini. I get a sleeve every now and then once a month or so that I have to sign and send back to Panini and authorize. And I see these, you know, 10 of 10, 25, you know, 50 card sets that are limited edition that I sign and take, you know, know. And it has me. And now that I'm back into the, the, the collecting part and I'm seeing what's working and what's valuable, it has me thinking and I've got a, I've got a really cool idea and I'll, I'll let you know more about it. I'll let you know more about it if, if we are able to do it. But I've, I've got an idea on a particular card that I want to create that I think would be in a really badass. I want to be part. I've, you know, Panini's made cards and we've seen them race used stuff and yeah, they make a card out of it, but I'm not really involved. They make the card and I get them, I sign them and I turn them back in and then they go out into the wild, you know. But I Want to be on. I want to make a card. I want to make it from start to finish. I want to physically help them make the card. I want to go to the plant. I want to be there when it's being made and pick out how the card looks. I want to be involved in the whole process, film the whole thing and see what the draw or demand is for said card. Right.

[Connor Zillich]

That'd be fun.

[Dale Jr.]

That would be really fun.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

It's hard for me to even think about something else. Hard for me to move on.

[Connor Zillich]

Tyler Reddick, 3 Pete.

[TJ]

Let's just go rip hacks.

[Dale Jr.]

Tyler Reddick, 3 Pete. All right, so Tyler Reddick, obviously, you know, Tyler Reddick has started the season. Three wins in a row. No one's ever done that.

[TJ]

Crazy.

[Dale Jr.]

It is. I don't know what. Yeah, it's. It's insane.

[TJ]

And he beat the guy that hasn't

[Dale Jr.]

lost road course, but he was pretty good at coda. He's. You know, he's ran really good there in the past, so it was, like, a big shock. But to your point, tj, he did beat the guy. That's wonderful. All the road course races here lately. Where's the ceiling for this whole. Whole deal?

[TJ]

I thought it was last week, but it apparently wasn't.

[Connor Zillich]

So Denny said he's a lock for top three now because of this performance. Do you think that.

[Dale Jr.]

See, that's what I don't understand. That's what I don't know.

[TJ]

I don't know yet. Yeah, Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, listen, barring. I think Denny could be right. Barrington, any kind of, like, massive collapse. He should. He's got, like, what, 70 point. What is his lead?

[TJ]

Oh, no, his.

[Dale Jr.]

We got the point somewhere.

[TJ]

Yeah, it's right here.

[Dale Jr.]

The damn points out. I told y' all to have the points printed.

[TJ]

Yes, and they're 70 overboards.

[Dale Jr.]

I told you to print the points.

[Connor Zillich]

He's 70 above.

[Dale Jr.]

And you printed the points. You did. I don't have them out. My bad.

[Connor Zillich]

70 above Bubba, who's in second.

[Dale Jr.]

Say it again.

[Connor Zillich]

He's 70 ahead of Bubba, so.

[Dale Jr.]

No, you said a 70 above Bubba. Say that. Say it again.

[Connor Zillich]

Thank you.

[Dale Jr.]

It's funny how you said, I will say that. My man Tyler Reddick has a lock on being in the top three. He's 86 points above Ryan Blaney, who's in fourth. Barring a collapse, that should do it, which is wild. And. And he's top three.

[TJ]

I mean, if.

[Dale Jr.]

Who's to say he won't win another race or two? Right to Sort of help himself sustain that gap.

[TJ]

But I mean, there's also.

[Dale Jr.]

We don't know. We don't know.

[TJ]

With this new system, he could also.

[Dale Jr.]

But I'm saying it could go the

[TJ]

other way, but he's not gonna fall far now. You start off hot, it's hard to lose it.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, it ain't going the other way. Look, this guy, he's got almost 100 points on Shane van Gisbergen in fifth. He is not going to get out pointed by Shane. So you go back to. You look at Daniel Suarez is in seventh. I wouldn't. If I'm Tyler, I'm not nervous about that guy overtaking me. I'm probably not too nervous about Joe Logano overtaking me. From 96 points back in sixth, AJ Almendinger McDowell, host of our. Look at this top 10.

[Connor Zillich]

See, that's the thing is the heavy hitters aren't.

[Dale Jr.]

They ain't there.

[Connor Zillich]

No.

[Dale Jr.]

So he. So the people that he's actually probably going to be competing with as we surge through the fricking season and get on 20 some races in, he's way ahead of those guys.

[Connor Zillich]

So, yeah, 110 above Byron, 113 above Larson.

[Dale Jr.]

How about that? You come into the season when three straight into Denny's Point, you're literally locking yourself in as a freaking championship contender.

[Connor Zillich]

126 above Denny.

[Dale Jr.]

And where is the final race of the season? I mean, if he's in, if he's

[Connor Zillich]

forgot about that, right?

[Dale Jr.]

If he's even say he's going to go in with a really good shot in the top three and if he can put together all the races, right, and roll into Homestead mathematically alive, that's the track that he has a lot of success at.

[TJ]

I do think there is this. It's a little early because we see guys start off the season hot and by the time the summer comes around,

[Dale Jr.]

I know he's going to have some downtime. Now there's going to be some downtime, but that's what that. That 100 point buffers for, right?

[TJ]

But the momentum you want. You want to. You want to be building momentum.

[Dale Jr.]

It's not possible for somebody to have a flawless. He can't win every race.

[TJ]

Oh, for sure.

[Connor Zillich]

His track record at Homestead, six starts, four top fives.

[TJ]

Yeah, it's definitely his best track.

[Dale Jr.]

I just, you know, but we got to remember it ain't go to Homestead and the winner's the champ. He's got to be mathematically alive after the nine races before Homestead. But this is A real possibility. Palerettick has. I don't know that he shocked the world, because we all knew that this is why Denny hired him. Denny thought, hey, man, I'm bringing this guy in. This guy's going to turn my organization into a winning organization. He's. He's helped. He's helped the whole team get better. So let's not discount the fact that they have two cars. Their. Their two cars are first and second. Bubba Wallace sitting there second points over Chase, Elliott in third. So heck of a deal, man. So ironic, too, you know, that they. They sue the sport and. And they. Some, you know, they settle, but you'd call it a win. And then they come out and win the first three races of the year. I don't know what's next, but damn, Phoenix, not a track that I think has been a. Has been a Great one for 23:11. Maybe they kind of come back down to earth because, you think about it, the first two races or the first three races are at what might. What one might call unusual racetrack.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Now, there are a lot of road courses in the season, so I don't think road courses are as an anomaly like the plate tracks are. I still call them the plate tracks, but drafting tracks. Atlanta, Talladega, Daytona. But we kind of come. I'm not. We kind of come crashing down to earth at Phoenix. And then we go to Vegas and all these other tracks. Darlington, Martinsville. Damn. Bam, bam, bam. And we'll truly give it another four or five weeks. I would love. You know what I'd love to do? Congratulations, Tyler. Great start to the season. I would love for us to, starting this weekend, take the next, say, five weeks and get a little screenshot or a snapshot of what, what the points looks like in those five weeks alone.

[TJ]

I want to take these first three out.

[Dale Jr.]

Take the first three out. Let's see what, you know, what the snapshot looks like after about four or five weeks. It'd be interesting because I think I could. Then, you know, you can still say, hey, man, Tyler Reddick's a player in the final here in how this thing's going to shake out in the playoffs or the Chase. But I would love to take that little snapshot, too and see who's performing in that little snippet and say, hey, man. Okay, here's some. Because, you know, we're going to go race those type of racetracks in the Chase for a while and. In the Chase. Yeah, right. And so that'll also help us understand who might make a run but, man,

[TJ]

it's a great start to the year.

[Dale Jr.]

It's. It is in. It is in. It is really compelling because someone that create. Someone that helped create this point system or help polish and finalize this point system told me that in most cases, you know, when they ran the models, the champion came out of the top three. So Kyle Larson in 15th, 113 back. You got Denny Hamlin in 23rd, 126 back. Christopher Bale, 127 back in 24th. Chase Briscoe, 140 back in 27th. You know, mentioning those names, those are the guys that you might say will be working toward the front, trying to find their way into the. Into a good spot for the Chase. But who's going to be able to do it?

[TJ]

The schedule has comers and goers.

[Dale Jr.]

It's a start. It is so fun. I tried to. I didn't do it. I was going to send out a tweet Sunday morning about how excited I was about the race and how I was looking forward to it, but I didn't think people would believe it because they would think it was hyperbole or me just kind of being a fanboy. But I am glued to what's going on. This is so fun. Is everybody having fun?

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah. I mean, how can you not?

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, is this not better? It is better.

[TJ]

Oh, definitely.

[Dale Jr.]

Golly. I mean, I'm not trying to sit here and. And talk about the old point system, but this one's fun now. You know, we see after three races, Tyler Reddick put himself in this position. We're all intrigued by that. Then we look down through the list. We look at that top 10 host of R. McDowell, Almondinger, Suarez, Shane, SVG. And we look at all of these people and we go, where are the players, man? They've got a. They got. They got their work cut out for them. And this is what we, you know, now we get to see who can surge forward, who can recover their year. I would say it's time. Yeah, it's a recovery at this point. You know, you got all these guys

[TJ]

that are Larson, Bell. Where. Where are they?

[Dale Jr.]

They're all a hun. Over 100.

[TJ]

Denny.

[Dale Jr.]

They're over 100 points out. Now. It looks bad because Reddick 70 clear of second place, Bub Wallace. So if you take Reddick out, you know, then Denny and those guys, they're only 50 points out.

[TJ]

I mean, Alex Bowman. Alex Bowman's 36 in the points.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Connor Zillich]

Reddick has 45 bonus points, basically, that. That Alone would put him in 28th place. Just on those.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. I don't see bonus points on here.

[Connor Zillich]

Well, because each win is 15.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't know.

[TJ]

Yeah, we don't have that.

[Dale Jr.]

We don't do bonus points anymore. The. The. The 15 that are included in the win. That's the point.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah, I know.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. We don't call them bonus points. Don't be bringing that back.

[Connor Zillich]

I'll do what I want.

[Dale Jr.]

Come on. You just get points competing. But anyways, pretty compelling. I'm definitely surprised by the people that are, you know, I mean, it's so hard to win the top 15. And some of the guys that aren't

[TJ]

winning those first two races that are kind of like free for alls and in like Daytona is kind of a. I mean, you don't know. You don't have that dominant car like Tyler got the right push at the right time. That's right at Atlanta. Bubba Bubba said, here's the bottom. You know what I mean? So, you know, crazy how it can.

[Dale Jr.]

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[TJ]

I watched up to it and I didn't see anything coming. I could have been way earlier in a race.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, coming off the final corner, Cole Custer and him make contact, and Cole sort of just veers right.

[TJ]

Just doesn't give him any room.

[Dale Jr.]

Yep. And I don't know if there was contact that steered Cole's car to the right, but they, they come together. Cole's car, who's on the inside and about a car half a car length ahead, veers to the right, sends Josevar into the grass. Joseph Our loses control, spins out right at the right, right before the flag stand. Right at the flag stand, so. And racing for 30th. So don't mess with Cole Custer. You remember when Cole Custard chased after Nemechek at the truck race in most sport?

[TJ]

Oh, like he flipped the switch. Yeah, I mean, he just was like football tackle. Hey, he was standing on pit road, right? And he got mad, just took off

[Dale Jr.]

and chased after him. That was awesome. Don't mess with Cole Custer. He is not one to be played with.

[TJ]

Surprising that it came from Cole, though.

[Dale Jr.]

Remember when I told you last week it might be host of our or not host of our, it might be Noah. Yeah, I said that because I don't. I'm not singling Noah out. I'm only saying that if you're host of our. You got to watch those guys that got nothing to lose and, and Noah or Custer, they got, they got.

[Connor Zillich]

And Custer's a big boy. He's going to hold his own.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, not to, not to disparage what's going on in their, at their, in the, in this moment in their careers, but they're, they're miserable. This ain't going good. They're not running up front.

[TJ]

Yeah. It doesn't take much.

[Dale Jr.]

Those are the guys that you don't piss off. Right. Those are the guys that will absolutely hook your ass and say, I don't give a.

[TJ]

That day. You're coming by running fifth or sixth and they're, they're not having a good day. Sorry.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, you don't. I wouldn't in this.

[TJ]

You know, that's how it used to kind of self police.

[Dale Jr.]

I've learned my lesson. I ran into. I knocked Darrell Walter, by the way, at Martinsville. He's a lap down to run that 66 car Kmart car, slow as hell. And he's in his final year. And I'm a rookie and I'm like, damn, you're slow. Boop. I'mma knock this damn DW out of the way. And he was like, in his mind, he was like, you little head. I'm freaking miserable out here driving this damn tank. I've had enough of you. I've had enough of this and I've had enough of you. Next corner around I go. And I was like, damn. Everybody just watched me get spun out by dw. That was up. Yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

So I have a theory on Carson Josevar with. Because whenever. So Jesse loving him got into it and like Carson just immediately reacts to everything. And I wonder if him playing iracing and racing online. You see a lot of times when someone gets doored, that person just immediately responds and reacts to it.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

Does that carrying over to real life for him.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

I don't know if it's iracing. I think you just. That's how you're brought up and respected.

[Dale Jr.]

There'll be no iracing slander on my podcast. So.

[Connor Zillich]

Okay. On video game racing, you done messed up. I'm not slandering the game.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, sounds like you are. Things that you're saying, it's giving him some bad habits. So.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

My argument to that is I would absolutely encourage people to run online to get racecraft and decision making and judgment calls specifically. Especially for super speedway racing like Daytona, Talladega and road courses. It's extremely valuable as a tool to run rogue courses on iracing at home when you can't be in the sim, and also to race, run, to race drafting, track races over and over and over. And so a lot of the same, a lot of the same mentality that, and they'll, they'll be. There's gonna, this is going to trigger some real cup racers, but I hate to say it man, but it's true. The mentality that, the mentality that is successful racing at Daytona, racing at Atlanta, racing at Talladega is a frame of mind, is a skill, but it's a mental, it's a mental approach. It's a frame of mind that a driver has to have. You're making decisions, you're, you're, everything you're doing, you're doing with your mind. Not the seat of the pants, not the feel of the car, not at other racetracks. You're driving by feel and raw driving ability and talent. At Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta, it's a, it's a mind thing, it's a, it's a decision thing, it's a judgment thing and it's instant and it's reactive. So what works and what's successful on iracing tends to also that same approach be successful in the real world. Look at, so Anthony Alfredo, he's a pure sim racer now. He came up driving real race cars. He's not born out of sim racing like some guys, but he is still at his core a very hardcore sim racer. And I know how he races online, been in races with him and I watch him at Daytona and Talladega. And his approach, although annoying to me because he's not in my car, is productive. He will find his way toward the front with moves and being aggressive at Daytona, Talladega and places like that. And so you know, when the car is somewhat capable of doing it. I would say Raja very similar. Watching Raja at Daytona, watching Raja at Atlanta. He's, he, he's his, his mentality and his decision making and his approach very much matches the same one he has on, on his, on his sim. And I think it's productive. I like it. I would encourage it. And so at those racetracks now, not at, not at, not at Phoenix, not at Darlington, not anywhere else. That's, that's when the real true racing craft has to prevail. Your point though is, is valid, Travis. In, I think in, in, in the online racing world, there's no real repercussion to being reactive. Iracing processes hundreds and hundreds of thousands of protests. But you know, it doesn't fix it. Can't fix it. Can't truly govern people's genuine ability in this day and time to be completely reactive. And I think, you know, there's a lot of things that aid that, that encourage that social media, right? We can, we can read a tweet, disagree with it and immediately respond, right? And so everything about our world right now is, is that instant reaction. And so, you know, I would say it's some, some, some of online racing that, that host of our has done, but I think it's more about, you know, everything else around us that allows us and, and encourages us to, to do that. And we just have to. I, even Today, like, I'm 51 years old and I have to sometimes tell myself, calm the down. You need to take a minute. You need to fucking think about this. You don't need to say what you're thinking right this minute.

[Connor Zillich]

That's a valid point.

[Dale Jr.]

And I used to be very good at that, but I've gotten worse at. Right, because, you know, we're all, you know, I've got. I do more, I do more, I regret more and do more apologizing these days than I did 10 years ago because we've all become more reactive, right?

[TJ]

Man, we definitely are reactive.

[Dale Jr.]

It's ridiculous. And I'm. And we're all, we're all guilty of it. But, you know, I don't. Again, you know, still, though, I don't, I don't. I don't want him to change. I don't want Joseph hard to change. I don't.

[TJ]

Well, it makes it entertaining.

[Dale Jr.]

So it's you till it's me.

[TJ]

If you were out there driving and he was entering your race, you wouldn't like it.

[Dale Jr.]

I know, but I.

[TJ]

It's entertaining for sure.

[Dale Jr.]

Do I want. Do you know, I want our cars. I want to win every race we enter. I do. I want JRM to just win every damn race to enter. And I want all our guys to finish first, second, third, and fourth and fifth and sixth when we run a six car. But above all that, I want this sport to be bigger than any other sport. I want it to be watched by tens of millions of people every week. And that's where we need Josevar. We need people like host of our. We need people like Connor Zillich. We need people like Ross Chastain. We need people like Denny Hamlin. We need all these very great, awesome, different personalities, right? And we need to be celebrating that. But you know, on this show, and I tell. I have to Text Carson all the time. I have to text. I text Josevar and I say, hey, you know, we're critical. We're going to be critical. We're going to talk about you. Your job is to buckle up and race and do your best. The noise is going to be noisy. It's when they're not talking about you, is when you need to be worried. If you're invisible out there, if nobody's worried about you, concerned about you pulling for you, caring about your performance, then you're in trouble. And there's drivers out there that fit that bill, and that's. I would, you know, I didn't ever want to be one of those guys. So, you know, you, you, you. There's Even in the 80s and 90s, you know, you'd start races that. Races would begin and end and there'd be guys out there. You didn't, you know, they made. They brought nothing to the table, you

[TJ]

know, and so does the noise eventually not need to. Like, he's eventually going to have to start winning or the noise. You know what I mean, though? Like, he's going to start finishing off some races here and going the other way with it. You can't just be noisy, though.

[Dale Jr.]

He will. He will. You know, he's going to. He's still maturing, you know, for sure. I would say that he's, you know, look at this guy. You know, when you. When you watch him on. On Twitch or you watch him on Twitch, you know, when he comes here on this podcast or whatever, guy's a kid at heart, he's still very much just having fun and enjoying Life.

[Connor Zillich]

It's only 23.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. He's still got a long way to go now. Come. If he's. If he's doing. If he's not any different. TJ when he's 27, 28 years old.

[TJ]

Yeah. For sure.

[Dale Jr.]

I'd say, hey, hey, guy. You know, we got to make some gains here.

[TJ]

I mean, a cup driver at 23. He was even. What's his second, third year, whatever.

[Dale Jr.]

Third.

[TJ]

I mean, that's pretty incredible already.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't think I got to cut till I was 26.

[TJ]

That's what I'm saying. Like, these guys are getting a cup.

[Connor Zillich]

We forget that how these dudes are coming in so young.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

And you've learned a lot by the time you get there.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Like, you know, Logano and those other guys. How long did Lugano struggle? He almost failed. He almost. He almost didn't failed out. Yeah.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Gibbs, how long did we Wait for Byron, you know, to finally become the driver we knew he could be.

[TJ]

Do you think Carson could have used a couple years in the O'Reilly cars?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Russell]

Before.

[Dale Jr.]

Yes. But, you know, his. He could have, absolutely.

[TJ]

But that wasn't the path that was presented to him.

[Dale Jr.]

So people realized he had such a unique ability, the raw talent was so, so unique that they. They decided to bring him on up. And there was this argument to TJ that the next gen car was so unique that him driving Xfinity wouldn't have benefited him any. I agree that he needed to get in that cup car with independent rear suspension, low profile tires, and a diffuser and learn it. And learn it. And so.

[TJ]

Because the other guys kind of had to forget what they knew, and now he doesn't have to do that because he doesn't know it.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, but to your point, like, you still learn racecraft no matter what vehicle you're in. Xfinity, you know, cars to. Whatever. Racecraft can be learned and drivers can improve. And I encourage, you know, years in a late model, years in a truck, years in a bushcar. I don't. I mean, a lot of these guys, though, they're coming in, having to fund their career, whether it's through parents, whether it's through a friend or a business that they've got a connection to, they're funding that career, and that funding is eager for them to get to the cup level. So they can shut that off. Right. If you're funding a guy, say, Travis, you're a rich guy, you've got millions of dollars, but you believe in this kid, and you're like, hey, man, I'm going to help you now, do you want to spend, you know, 5 million, 5, 4, 5, $6 million a year for three years and try to fast forward him to cup if they'll take him, or do you want to do it for five or six years? Right. You don't. Nope. You don't want to spend another $20 million if you don't have to. You want to get him to cup as fast as you can. So you can therefore turn off the faucet and say, hey, you're there. You know, and that's where these guys are. You know, some of them are speeding through a little quickly. Speaking.

[TJ]

Got a permit? Just finish your test.

[Dale Jr.]

TJ's daughter has her permit. All the folks out there on the highway, beware.

[TJ]

We're going cup race next year.

[Connor Zillich]

NASCAR will approve her. She's got a permit.

[Dale Jr.]

We're going to try to get her in the truck race at Daytona next season.

[Russell]

Yep.

[Connor Zillich]

Speaking of drivers causing drama.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

What do you know about that?

[Connor Zillich]

Corey Day.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

What do we make of him?

[Dale Jr.]

Hey, let's talk about this.

[TJ]

Out of the way, here comes Corey.

[Dale Jr.]

D's back at it again.

[Connor Zillich]

That's a great slogan.

[Dale Jr.]

Say. All right, so listen here, listen here. All right. This is a very, very. This is a very tough situation to be in for me. I met with Corey in Daytona. We talked about drafting. I spent about an hour talking to him, and he is a good dude.

[TJ]

Talented.

[Dale Jr.]

Very talented. Very, very talented. But he. Connor Zillich was a little disappointed, I guess, in his demeanor post race. Right. And his. You know, Corey doesn't kind of know exactly what to do in those moments or doesn't seem to be interested in, you know, owning his mistake. You know, he's. It's always. Well, you know, the splitter was this. The flat. The tire was flat. This and that other.

[TJ]

That's annoying.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, yeah. And so. And. But, you know, I've. I want to say I talked to Corey for quite a while at Daytona. He is a good guy, and he is in. He's not in over his head, but dude is drinking from a fire hose. He's got. He's got a lot of race car. That 17 car coming out of the Hendrick shop. We share all of our notes with them. Everything that we do well. They have. They know this information. They're our. They're a fifth team of ours. They're. They're. Crew chief. Adam. He used to work here as a crew chief. They're in our meetings. Corey Day was in our comp meeting yesterday.

[TJ]

Was your engineer at one point?

[Dale Jr.]

Yep. They're all. There are 15. They just happened to race out of the Hendrick building. And that's the way I. It has to work. That's the way Mr. Hendrick wants it to work. Jeff Gordon, everybody that, you know, we all want that. That 17 car is a teammate to us. And we all. Everybody except for the drivers seem to get that idea. And I say drivers because I've got a little story. But before I get to that, Corey has a ton of talent, as you mentioned. He's got a lot of race car, and he's got no experience, and he's run a handful of races last year, and now his car's even better. He's starting to run closer to the front, and he's just in over his skis in a bunch of moments. Did he wreck? Did he go through that? S. Do that? Do I Think he didn't go through the S's and go, man, I'm gonna just clean this one car out. But he is control. He's in control of the car. And he has to realize, that's my teammate. That is a teammate car. And Rick Hendrick owns the car I'm driving, and Rick Hendrick owns the car that I'm going to spin out. And he has to drive his car and control it so that it doesn't cause that accident. Right. And that's what we're asking him to do. And so

[TJ]

it doesn't help. It was two weeks in a row.

[Dale Jr.]

That was the next thing I was going to say. It's two weeks in a row of kind of this. It's two weeks in a row of the same thing. And we all got together and we all sat down. Rick had a conversation with Corey and we're all trying to help him understand, look, man, we want you here. We believe in you. We believe you're a winner. We want to see you succeed. But we have to do this without being, you know, without it being detrimental to each other. And so it's just a process. I know it looks ugly to fans who are watching it. It's hard for our teams. It's hard for our, you know, it's hard for all our employees to see our car get run over like that with very little regard. But it's part of the process of trying to it, you know, trying to school up these guys to become the drivers that we think they're capable of becoming. And, you know, we just continue to press that. If you're, you know, if you're making mistakes, there are consequences to those, very severe consequences. Corey will have to fix this or there will be severe consequences. And I thought this was a great opportunity that the message be shared amongst all of our drivers. What Cory's doing is not new. We've had teammate issues in the past. We will have them in the future. When you bring all of these young kids into the same building, they are all on different paths. They are all eager to get that next opportunity. They're all eager to get that call from Rick or track house or somebody, any owner, and they aren't looking at their teammate in the car next to them as a long term relationship. They aren't in a Cup team where, you know, Kyle Larson and Chase Elliott have to figure it out and get along because they're going to be racing together for 10 years out of the same build. They're not in that situation. They're Here, thinking in their mind, well, if everything works out, I'm here for a year or two, then I'm gone. And this guy, that's my teammate, I won't be teammates with him ever again. And so they don't try. The drivers themselves do not try to nurture or create relationships with their teammates. They don't. Is transactional. They get in the race car, they have no relationship to the car. They don't know where the spindles came from. They don't know the history of the chassis. They don't know where it raced last. They don't know where the motor came from, what. How many races on that. They don't know. When we used to, you know, 20 years ago, we knew all that. Hell, we named our damn race cars. They had.

[TJ]

That's true.

[Dale Jr.]

They had freaking personality. We had our favorites. They don't even think about. And they go out there and they rip the sides off of them and run into things, all of them. And then they come back to the shop and all of our guys unload them out of the holler, and it's a frickin just. It's depressing. And this is all happening with one of our freaking cars in victory lane. Yeah, right. We got a car. We got a guy. That's one. We're happy, got a crew chief happier. And then the three, four other cars, they're upside down, mad at each other, all over in the garage, fussing. And so it's.

[TJ]

That's a wide variety.

[Dale Jr.]

It is. And it's had before. It happened at Chicago last year. I had to walk past Connor Zillich and say, hey, SVG shouldn't erase you like that in turn one. Then I had to go to Victor Lane and say, good job, svg. Hell of a win. What are you going to do? Are you going to go up to Connor and say, I don't give a shit. He ran you into the wall. And then go up to SVG and say, man, what you do that for? You know, you. What are you supposed to do? Right? Yeah. And then the same thing at Watkins Glenn. Connor clips him, spins out svg. And you got to go to SVG and say, damn, man. You know, he. He. He cleaned you out, you know, and then, you know, Connor jumps and falls out of the car. But. But we didn't really have a conversation. But.

[Connor Zillich]

So do you feel like after yesterday, things will progress in a better.

[Dale Jr.]

Like, it is a yes. Things are. If with everything that we said and all the conversations that we had, I 100% expect a clean slate. I mean, a clean slate. Our drivers should have no animosity towards Corey. Corey should look at this as an opportunity to start anew and start to build a rapport, a reputation that he wants to have. And, you know, he's just learning how to handle these things. I, I, I, too, think that, you know, he comes from a completely different discipline and that, you know, that culture in the garage. The mindset of a racer in the, in the world that he's lived in is completely different. Not, not better or worse, just different. And so he's coming here and having to learn, like, wow, okay, I got four guys out there that I have to race uniquely comparable to the competition, you know, and so he's got to have, he's processing all this stuff for the first time in his life. But I think that, you know, a lot of hard conversations were had this week. I expect things to improve and that, you know, Corey Day isn't the only one on the racetrack in our group making bad decisions. So, you know, we had a lot of conversations this week about expectations, etiquette, respect, you know, what we, what, what should happen going forward, what can never happen going forward. And again, not a new conversation. We've been here before.

[TJ]

Is it easier as a driver from the past? Is it easier for you get, you get crashed by a guy, makes a mistake, you've been wrecked. Kyle Busch, Richmond makes a mistake. Is it easier to handle if you get out and hear his interview and just be like, yeah, I just got in there. You know, I just got in there deep and got loose, and I didn't mean to do it, you know, just, just racing hard. Is it easier to hear that than it is the, well, a bad place for a tire to go? Well, the, I was bought, you know, the pan was dragging and I hit in him. Like, is it easier just to hear a guy, yeah, say, man, I just messed up?

[Dale Jr.]

So, yes, 100%. If, if you get wrecked or, or you get used up, or if, you know, if a guy squeezes you in a wall off turn four, you want to. And you want the guy, you. So I'll say this like, You and the other guy on the racetrack, you know, you both know exactly what happened. And so I would go back to Indianapolis with Almirola and Austin, Austin Hill, they both know more, they both know more than anyone in the world exactly what really went on on that racetrack. They know the truth. We all speculate, we all have opinions, but them two guys know between themselves what happened. And so when you get to the pits or you get to the garage. You want to look over at that guy and you want him to tell you the truth because you know he knows and you know he, he knows. You know, you, there's no hiding. And so you want the guy to go, all right, man, I, or I might did that on purpose. Pissed me off, man. I regret it.

[TJ]

I up, you know, so it's much easier to.

[Dale Jr.]

That is the way forward. That's the way to keep things from festering. And, and it's hard to do. You know, this is the, this is some of the best advice. I read somewhere somebody gave it to me. When you're faced with a path, right. A choice, do I walk up to this guy and apologize and tell him I screwed up or do I just not. Not do it? You know, do I just go get on the plane, go home, hope he, hope he forgets about it? I don't know, maybe I'll text him. I don't know. The, the harder path is usually the right choice. The more difficult, uncomfortable, challenging decision is usually the one you should choose.

[TJ]

And so it sucks to begin with, but it's better long term.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. If you're picking the convenient route, it's usually not going to be the better decision in that. In, in. In most cases.

[TJ]

And so you're kind of avoiding the real problem.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, that's sometimes how I convince myself to do the right thing. I go, all right, which one's the harder thing to do here? All right, then that must mean that I need to do that one. Because that, that, that's the uncomfortable one. That's the one I'd rather not do. But that's probably what they deserve, you know.

[Connor Zillich]

And like you were saying, like, these drivers think I'm not going to be long term teammates with these guys. And that might be true. But if you want to get to where you're going to be, ultimately you're going to be racing and see these guys or the cup drivers already watching this anyways.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

And they're going to operate off of this is how you are. So, like, yeah, they're not your teammates, but I think you need to operate as if you have a future.

[Dale Jr.]

Listen, one thing that I find so strange about teammates in, at this level, and it's probably similar at the cup level too, so. And we see this a ton in F1. You know, I've. I've been in a lot of situations where my teammates were friends, like me and Truex. We were freaking pals. Me and Mikey were pals. Me and Jimmy, Jeff, Casey Mears, Casey Kane. You know, I've. I've. I was always. I always got along with my teammates, and I never looked across the garage and was envious or jealous. They. They pushed me and they. They, they. But they, you know, I just always got along. My teammates. The. The thing that's perplexing to me, and so surprising, honestly, is that our teammates often, in these scenarios, look at each other as hurdles or obstacles or competition, which I don't truly. I don't truly understand. And you're starting to see that kind of more in nascar, whereas, you know, I don't know, man. I find that really interesting as to why the. Why our guys, particularly guys here at Junior Merchant Sports, why they don't gravitate toward each other. You know, we're all here trying to figure this out. They're trying to win, this guy. They're all trying to win. Why doesn't that magnetize them together?

[Connor Zillich]

Is it because there's only limited seats available each year?

[Dale Jr.]

And you're like, well, they are. They're. They're not fighting each other for those seats. They're not. They're not competing. They're not competing against each other to stay here or be here next year.

[Connor Zillich]

Their own independent, but they're competing for cup seats, potentially.

[Dale Jr.]

Not against each other. Not really.

[Connor Zillich]

If there's only. Let's say there's two seats available.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Nobody. They're not. It's.

[TJ]

I mean, he's kind of. He is a little. I mean, you do want out. You do want to be the higher prospect than.

[Dale Jr.]

That's a very general way of looking at it. If a Cup team wants you, they're going to call your ass. All right? And if you're. If you're trying to get that call, you need to be winning races and not dicking around with your teammates, not running into the. You know each other on the racetrack. And so, you know, when you. When you bouncing off your own damn teammate, no cup owner is going to look at that and go, yeah, I need that in my organization.

[TJ]

Yeah, but that's not how you look at it sometimes in the seat, though.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, that's how freaking owners look at it. Are you worried?

[TJ]

I'm not saying owners don't.

[Dale Jr.]

Look, one minute you're worried about what the owner's thinking, and next you're not.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Pick your. Pick your side.

[TJ]

I agree.

[Dale Jr.]

You know, we got it didn't sound

[Russell]

like TJ was agreeing with you, Dale.

[Dale Jr.]

He does. We were trying to figure out Tyler Reddick Joining the Dale Jr. Download here. Congratulations. Three in a row. Yeah, I want. We were sitting here having a conversation around why it might. Why do teammates at the end, you were in this. You worked here at Junior Motor Sports. You worked at rcr. Why is it that at that level, the teammates don't create the rapport that you see at the cup level? Like, you and Bubba Wallace are each other's biggest fan, right? If you can't do it, he wants to, you know, you want to see him do it. Vice versa. And y' all strive, y' all push each other. You see it in other organizations where the teammates somewhat, you know, gravitate together and work together to get better. And at the expense level, we have a hard time getting our guys to look at each other as teammates, as assets. They look at each other as competitors and actually race each other harder than they race the rest of the competition. You live that in this very building. What is the. What is the deal?

[Russell]

I'm trying to figure out. We talking about a situation that happened here at Coda?

[Dale Jr.]

No, no, no, no.

[TJ]

We're just talking about teammates in general.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Well, okay. So.

[TJ]

Well, it could be Corey Day.

[Dale Jr.]

You know, Corey Day got into Connor Zillich and wrecked him the end of the race. And, and then Raja and. And Quapo had a little. A little issue that cost both of them 10, 15 spots. And so, and it's. And it's been a constant sort of challenge at this level and in our building at times to have our teammates not race each other hard. Right. And try to. They're, you know, try to create some rapport on the racetrack. And I know that you. You had a lot of experience in Xfinity series, and I thought you were a great teammate, but you probably had some guys that maybe do it, you know, didn't actually practice being a teammate very well or weren't, you know, weren't great examples of good teammates. So, you know, what. What is. What is the mentality at this. At this, at this level that makes you so sort of, you know, hard headed?

[Russell]

Well, I think naturally to be a race car driver, you got to be a little bit hard headed. But, yeah, you know, I'm trying to think of the things that play into that. You know, are you worried about the

[Dale Jr.]

cup level getting that call, getting that opportunity? Are you? So, like, the blinders are on and you're like, I don't need. I don't worry about team. I don't need a teammate right now. I need. Just focus on me, man.

[Russell]

Again, it's, maybe it's a law unfair but maybe it's my opinion. I think a part of it, maybe it's just maturity. Honestly, I don't know. I feel like I was always a little. I don't know. I, I do feel like I was a little bit different than most when it comes to this. I've. If I've ever been on a side of the fence when it comes to racing teammates, I've always been on the side of, you know, how do I put this? I go even in, in, even in situations where I probably shouldn't or it's, or it's cost me. I've always been on the side of give too much, give too much room. You know, if, if, you know, if someone's running me down, that's teammate of mine. I mean I completely get out of the way sometimes to the point where it costs me a couple spots. I feel like I've always been on that side of it. Yes, there's been moments where I've had to race my teammates for something. There was, you know, a situation, I can't remember the exact year where I've been on the other side of this where I mean we didn't have contact, but it was, it was a, it was a hard one for me because it was my last year at bkr. Hemrick was in the, in the playoffs. I missed the playoffs my second full time year. Tj, you remember that?

[TJ]

Yeah, I do.

[Russell]

And it was Vegas and I don't think we'd want a race all year. Right. And it was at the tail end of the year. We're up front, we're, you know, we're racing for the win with my teammate Daniel Hemrick and he's in the playoffs and I'm like this is tough but I really need this win. You know what I mean? So I've, I've occasionally been on that other side of it. But yeah, I don't know, sometimes I feel like, and it's crazy you look at other sports, I feel like teammates, this teammate thing, the rivalries amongst teammates is more common than it is in nascar.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Russell]

But yeah, certainly I feel like you do see that more times than not out of teammates, if you will in like the truck series or, or as you mentioned, the Rally Auto Part series. I don't know. May it. I feel like it's kind of case by case, but certainly you're, you're right. I feel like it does. The heads do tend to butt more. You know, you think of the things that happen between Sheldon Creed and Austin Hill or even, you know, Jesse Love and Austin button heads at times. Austin Hill, button heads. As you mentioned, your situations over there, I wish I could put my finger on it. My best speculation is that they feel like it may be as simple as. When I think about this, it might just be as simple as when the cars are that good or you're. And you're all competing for wins. If it. It may just be a situation where as the driver, you feel like, if I'm going to win today, I'm going to have to beat my teammate, you know, heads up. And yeah, these situations have happened not in the lead. Right. But maybe that's the mentality that. That the drivers have is like I have to. I have to withhold or I have to race my teammates extra hard. Because when we get down the end of the season, as we get ready for the chase, that's who I'm going to be fighting for. You know, these one or two points week in and week out could be 10 or 15 when it resets for the Chase. That's.

[Dale Jr.]

Yes.

[Russell]

I don't. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think that's what's going on. I mean, me and. Me and Bubba, since we've been here, we've always been really good about working together. You know, Riley's done a great job with that as well since he's come on board. I don't know. I've always tried to really go out of my way to be a really good teammate. Even, you know, when I was at RCR with Austin Dillon, I would try and go above and beyond to be the best teammate possible. I don't know. I've always just tried to stay on that side of it. Um, and I know I'm known for racing hard on the racetrack, but I always try to be super respectful, too, even to people that aren't my teammates. And I don't know, I haven't been in that situation much, but when it has happened, I've just tried to put it to, you know, put it to bed, if you will, as fast as possible, because I don't want. I don't want something lingering and growing into something it really shouldn't even be for sure.

[TJ]

Even in the trucks, you were like that. Yeah, like going up through the trucks. That's how you race, and that's how we raced with teammates. Even from the very beginning when you first came in. One thing I wanted to ask you about is we had a segment earlier in the show is we talked about just flipping a switch in the car. Like, what makes you so mad that you just want to run somebody? You know, we were talking about Josevar and Custer. Custer getting into it. And, like, some of the guys seemed like you can touch them a little bit, and as soon as they get beside you, they just. They ram you off the road. Like, I know early in your career, you had a. You had a couple instances like that maybe were.

[Russell]

Yep.

[TJ]

Like. Like, what makes you out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good way to put it. But, like, what makes you flip that switch real quick? Is it just the. The young. You know, do you think it's just maturity?

[Russell]

I feel like, for me, I mean, it still happens, but, yes, the frequency of that has. Has gone down.

[TJ]

Like, you never said anything, I think, on the radio, and it just happened. I'm like, oh, what did he do here?

[Russell]

I. I did after the fact that that's why I got in trouble. The caution comes out, and then I. I said, man, I hope that wasn't too obvious. I think I literally, word for word said that. And I think. I don't even know what you said, but, like, it was in the tone of your voice that you're like, oh, we're. We're in big trouble.

[TJ]

Yeah, we're talking Pocono.

[Russell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, like. Like, for me, that. That Pocono situation years ago, or, like, me, when I've lost it like that, it's been a situation where I feel like I've, you know, when the driver flips that switch, in my experiences, it feels like you're. You're out there. You've ran a clean race, you've done everything right. You've raced respectfully, and then you just get ran out of the way or put up in the wall or just run over for absolutely no reason. I feel like that's when the. The flip just goes. But, you know. Yeah. As you get older, I think you just try to understand or put things in perspective. Like, the most recent. The most recent for me that this happened is we're at Martinsville. We're out of the. We're out of the, you know, the playoffs last year, and I've been just dying to get a top 10 in Martinsville so bad. We've. We've had speed at times. We just haven't put the whole race together. And this Martinsville, it looked like it was finally going to happen. We're going to run 10th, and we get to the last three or four laps we're in 10th. And I just. I mean, the last three laps, I had terrible corners. I mean, I missed my marks, everything. And Josh Berry's just breathing down my neck. And, you know, I go into turn one and two, and he's probably like, car off, and I miss. I miss the bottom and 1 and 2, and I go into 3, and he's like. He's not like, there. He's a car with. He's a car length back. And he just. I mean, I get it. I get it now, but in the moment, I was so mad. He. From one car length back, just drives in there, used me up, sends me flying up the track. He got 10th. I didn't. You know, I. We take the checkered flag, and I. I damn near wrecked his car. I. I thankfully stopped myself, but it was almost very similar to, like, I think the mayor seat deal on the O'Reilly Auto Parts side. Yeah, Sam wrecked him after the checkered. So I. I've got Josh retires off the ground after the. After the checkered flag is out, and I'm like, I'm gonna send him. And I'm like, wait, wait. No, no, no. Like, stop. Like, this was for 10th. Like, and it wasn't for the race win, but this is for 10th. Like, a 10th meant a lot to me at this time, this point in time in the year. I know it means a lot for Josh. So it's like, all right, calm down.

[TJ]

Like, move on and should have missed that corner if.

[Russell]

Exactly. Correct. And that's. That's, like, for me, what. What it came back to, why. How did I even let him get to my bumper? Right. And same thing. Like, it. It's along the same lines, but it was for a lot more at the Bristol dirt race in 20.

[TJ]

Oh, yeah.

[Russell]

I don't know what year, but, like. But for me, as a dirt racer, it was the same thing. Like, you know, it was my job to drive away from Briscoe and not even give him the opportunity to make that move. And, you know, he just ran better laps than me in the closing laps, and he. He was there like, yes, he. You know, he ran into me. We both spin out, but, like, that doesn't happen if I just keep the gap and end the race. So. Yep, I've always tried to be on that side of it. Yes, I've had my moments where I've almost lost it, but again, it's not what you're racing for. Right. Do you want to be put out of the car for a week? Do you want I mean, just all those things, right? Like, at some point, you got to defend yourself, but there's, like, a way to go about it. I've just the. The once, the couple times that I've retaliated right. Throughout my career, it's like I've gotten out of the car afterwards and been like, well, that wasn't very smart. So just gotten away from it.

[Dale Jr.]

Looking at the points, man, after three races, three wins, 70 over your teammate, Bubba Wallace, you could take a couple

[TJ]

off here if you want.

[Dale Jr.]

You know what? We were actually. I don't know if you've allowed yourself to really study it much, but we were looking at the top 10. And you do have Blaney, Elliott, Logano in there, and nothing against the other competitors, but some of the guys that we would have expected to be competing for the championship are much, much further down the line and some over 100 points behind you, talking about Denny Hamlin, Christopher Bell, and Kyle Larson. Kyle Larson's in 15th, 113 points out. So I, you know, I'm sure you guys are having conversations about the position you're in, how fortunate you are, and what your, you know, what your path forward needs to look like. And I've said this to. I've said this so many times that I believe people are tired of hearing it, but I feel like that if you're in the top three going in to the Chase, you got a damn nice shot at a championship, and anybody outside the top five has a really, really, really slim chance of getting anything done. So you're, you know, even though the field size in the Chase is large, you're really, if you're a top three guy, only racing everyone in that top five if everything goes smoothly. So you're. You're one of those guys. Denny said it on his podcast that he thinks you're. You're almost a lock for top three. I would agree. I would agree. So, you know, is it foot on the grass, continue to kick some ass, continue to win races? You gotta feel pretty nice, I suppose, about where you sit in this new point system. What is the conversation like in the shop?

[Russell]

Yeah, you know, I think we're gonna continue to have more of them. You know, we've kind of just talked about what's. What's happened up until this point. I think for us, you know, it won't necessarily happen. Wait, what? Is today? No, it will. Yeah, we will. I think we will talk about a little bit more today. At the end of the day, looking ahead to Phoenix, but, yeah, I think Just, I guess my opinion, because I haven't necessarily talked about. I mean, we've been working on Phoenix for a while in Vegas, but we haven't, like, gone over the plan for. For Phoenix yet. But I would imagine it's, you know, kind of like, as you. As you mentioned, as how Denny put it, you know, we're in the spot where, you know, if you get a caution with three or four laps to go, literally his words, where, you know, you get that costume with three or four to go on the stage, a lot of those guys around you are probably thinking, we need these stage points. We're going to be in that spot to where it's like, hey, you know, we can give up four or five spots or four or five points here. It's okay. You know what I mean? You can give up those four or five points, hit pit road now and then cycle to the front and, oh, man, look at that 45s up front again, you know. So, yeah, we're in that kind of a spot where we can or afforded that, you know what I mean? And I always have driven in a way where I don't leave anything on the table on the racetrack, and that's a fact. Yes. And whether it's been TJ or whoever it's been over the years, like, just pull back a little bit, right? I'm. It's. It's that much easier for me to just pull back a little bit in those moments. Whether, you know, if I get slide into second and I'm running, it's like, man, you know, I'll let it. I'll let it come to me. Maybe I'll get the.

[TJ]

You were definitely one that you had to slow down a little bit.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah.

[Russell]

Still probably to this day. But, you know, we get slotted in 10th. I'm just running 10th. It's like, all right. I mean, I'd like to get seventh or eighth, but, like, I'll let the race come to me. And so we're kind of in that spot where, you know, we kind of let things play out naturally, maybe, you know, take advantage of. Of. Of people racing a little bit more desperately trying to close that gap. I don't know if they will or if they'll take a smooth approach, but we're kind of in this really good spot where, you know, we can kind of just take a second look at what's ahead of us and kind of have just calm, clear thinking when we make these decisions at these races coming up, you know, it's not like we gotta man, we gotta get one more spot right here on this run. You know, we want to get that spot, but we're kind of in this spot where I think we can race smart and, you know, last in 2024 when we kind of got it rolling there, that was something that I really enjoyed. You know, I. Again, I love taking the risks and running really, really hard, but we're in that spot where I can just pull it back a little bit and maybe save something for later. You know, I like being able to race like that in the car. It's. It's just a lot more calm, too. So we're kind of in this good spot as it looks right now, to kind of be able to take advantage of that. And I think truly. I truly think it's just going to help us run even better, honestly, as this gets going.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Are we starting to understand where the value is so that as a broadcaster, the conversations that I have with. With the booth, that I work with Latarte and Adam, as we're going through these races, we are trying to understand, all right, how much. How valuable. How valuable are the stage points comparable to last year's system. How. How. Obviously the wins are incredibly valuable. Looking at your, you know, your point spread to Bubba after three races,

[Russell]

how

[Dale Jr.]

can you articulate what the difference is this year with stage points versus last year and how important it is to get them not.

[Russell]

Not to the T yet. But I mean, I believe I saw it in yesterday. Sorry. In Sunday's race, you know, stage one, there was a lot more takers for those. For those stage points than I thought there was going to be. Um, I think as a group, we thought less people would. Would take the stage points there. Um, so I think for now, that kind of answers the question. We'll see how it continues to go throughout the year. Um, but like the. At the Row courses, certainly there's a great opportunity, if you're a 10th place car, to. To be able to grab stage points. Yes, you're going to bear yourself a little bit. But, you know, Ty Gibbs, there was a. There was a couple others. I mean, Ty Gibbs comes to top mine. I think there was others that did the. Did a similar thing. They're able to, you know, stay out through the stages, get stage points. I think Bubba even did it, and then still claw back. Claw their way back to, like, a good finish. So it definitely seems like the field just three races in is prioritizing the stage points a little bit more. But from my side of it, honestly, it is truly Crazy, right? Like, I mean, 45 of the points that I have at my total are the bonus points, if you will, from winning the race. And you know, we talk, you know, there's, I'm sure every team's talked about it. We've certainly talked about it. Like, okay, how's, how's it going to look where you need to be, right? Talking. It's going to be super important to be top three as the Chase starts to have a decent shot at this. But it's like, man, if someone gets hot and pops off a bunch of wins, I mean, it's just been three races. We all started from zero Daytona and it's just been three races. And look at the, the points lead that we have. That's, that's the part that it's like going into the season. I mean, you never know who's going to do what. But like, we've, we've won three races

[TJ]

and the only three.

[Russell]

Look at the. I know, but like, but in the course of three races, look at how many points someone can accumulate over the field and yeah, I know we get to like, you know, our, our mile and a half or short tracks. Like some of these, some of these, you know, big spreads of points won't necessarily happen. You know, it is super speedway racing that we have, but still, people are going to have bad days, people are going to have good days. And I definitely thought the field on the point side was going to stay a lot closer throughout the, the season, if you will. But yeah, when someone gets hot, they're going to get a lot of points.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, I was, I was curious starting at Phoenix, taking, taking a snapshot of the next maybe three to five weeks and kind of seeing where everybody is and what that looks like comparable to these three races. Be interesting to see, man. It's been a privilege having you on the show over the last couple of weeks. Congratulations on the record. Three in a row to start a season. No one's ever done that. I love little nuanced records like crazy. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's, it's fun to accumulate those kind of little, little records throughout your career and you're on your way to doing, doing that and many more. Awesome start to the year. Thanks for your time today. Know you got a lot of things to do. So hey, we're just going to enjoy

[TJ]

this new point deal. Can you not ruin it?

[Dale Jr.]

We are enjoying it anymore.

[TJ]

Can you week off?

[Dale Jr.]

No, we love it.

[Russell]

I mean, it's crazy. I've already kind of seen it start we were. We were celebrating on the front stretch and there was a William Byron fan in the st. Stands there. I mean, absolutely losing his mind, flipping us off, crotch chopping us. He threw his hat. Probably he thought he was going to throw his hat about 100ft. He threw it about 30ft, hit the ground. He was so mad. And I. I don't know. I don't. I don't listen on the radio that much, but when I scroll through Hex, there's a lot of people not happy. Hey, I'm not used to enjoy it.

[TJ]

This is a reason. This is a great reason for them not to be happy for you.

[Dale Jr.]

They were already. There were already people. So in the. I will tell you this. You didn't know that there were critics and they were always there, Right? But when you start winning, that's when they start to start to make noise. And I'll say this, too. If they're not talking about you, that's when you got a problem. That's a real deal. Like if. If you're. If you're invisible out there and nobody cares what you're doing, that's a real issue.

[TJ]

So, like, Denny. Who's Denny? I mean.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Hey, what do you. What do you call that? Did he.

[TJ]

What do you call him? Hey, 23.

[Dale Jr.]

Because I see.

[TJ]

Hey, 23. That maybe that's because he's 23rd in points. Oh, 20. The 11 is 23rd.

[Connor Zillich]

There will be zero shots.

[TJ]

23. 11. That's perfect.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, man.

[Russell]

I have a feeling he's going to claw his way out of that.

[Dale Jr.]

He'll be.

[TJ]

He will be fine.

[Russell]

Guys down there.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, it's going to be fun to watch. It's so fun to watch.

[TJ]

It is.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, buddy. Thank you, man. All right, before we get to our next topic, want to tell you guys about a new show here at Dirty Mo Media. It's called Sons and Daughters, hosted by Shannon Spake. Shannon is going to be interviewing notable athletes, singers, celebrities, anyone else that is at the top of whatever they do. Everyone has an origin. Before I was a broadcaster, I was a daughter. And that part of my story never changed.

[Russell]

So in this series, I'm going to talk with people whose achievements you know, but whose beginnings, you know, you don't.

[Dale Jr.]

The family, the identity, the moments that shaped them. Because every extraordinary person starts as someone's child. I'm Shannon Spake. This is Sons and Daughters. And new episodes drop every Wednesday. You can watch on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We can't wait for that. To come out. The first episode drops March 4th. It's Marty Smith and after that it's Coach K. Gonna be a lot of great guests coming down the line. Please check it out. Subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[Connor Zillich]

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[Dale Jr.]

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[TJ]

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[TJ]

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[Dale Jr.]

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[TJ]

Yeah, just an arcade.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, a lot of fun. And also we're going to announce that I'm racing at Nashville Fairgrounds April 11th and I'm driving the Bass Pro Shops car. I'm going to do the tire test here in a couple of days so I'll have a better idea of how fast.

[TJ]

How fast it is. Speaking of fast, you know what's going to be fast? The Mindy cars at Phoenix this week. Oh, they run Saturday before the O'Reilly race.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Do they? So I know. I think it's a very positive thing for IndyCar and NASCAR to be at the same racetrack on the same weekend. And I don't really think it should matter who feels like who headlined. This Ash Jr segment is brought to you by Xfinity. Xfinity is waving the red flag on Internet price hikes, all right? Xfinity is not going to raise the price of their Internet, all right? And you can get the speed and reliability that you need in the WI Fi your home. You'll be locked in at Ace at the same price for five years. So, like, what? You know, that's a hell of a deal because everything gets more expensive. But you're going to pay the same for five years. They don't tell me this. They're not. This ain't in the copy, but I'm going to bet you during that five years while you're paying the same price, they're going to give you more speed. Because that's just what happens. Infrastructure gets better. They do. They run some new lines on your street, whatever. I mean, this happened to me. They don't know where. They don't know I got this damn house and my Internet keeps getting faster. They keep giving me notices and emails. You're getting more speed. Don't freak out. You're not paying more. So they don't that's not in the copy. That's what I add. No surprises, no late yellows, Just a straight shot to victory Lane. And just like that, folks, we've got a winner. Xfinity. Imagine that. The copy is very, you know, cheeky and a lot of race puns, but Xfinity WI Fi is straight badass. And I've had it at my house for years, and I don't ever have any outages. And I'm way out on the end of the street, and I look up at the power lines, and I'm like, that don't look too good. But I don't ever have no hour, no outages. All the power lines out there that have. That ran on this road have been there forever. And there's tons of, you know, it's kind of in a beach area, and there's a lot of storms and stuff, but it's always up. I'm very thankful they don't. They have sped up my Internet, but I'm just a normal ass customer on the street to them. And they are, you know, they're telling me, hey, man, don't be alarmed. You're not getting charged more. Your Internet's getting faster. Just what's happening. Five years, same price. I think that's a hell of a thing. So, all right, I think I've sold it.

[Connor Zillich]

You did a good job.

[Dale Jr.]

Surely somebody's going to get some Xfinity WI Fi. Surely after that.

[Connor Zillich]

So this first question comes from Dallas. Done in the chat. Would you rather live the rest of your life without beer or video games?

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, video games. Tough one, though. Tough choice. I've got to drink beer eventually, though. I'm, you know, I imagine there's going to be a day at some point where video games would be the one I would prefer. I don't know. You know, it's tough because I'm probably going to drink beer till I'm 70 at the least. And I'm probably not going to be a gamer at 70.

[Connor Zillich]

I mean, I didn't even play video games for a while until NCAA came back out, so.

[Dale Jr.]

Right. Yeah. Video game. I could do without video games.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah. Keep the beer I need.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. But tough, though. I mean, I love video games.

[TJ]

It is tough.

[Dale Jr.]

Tj, Beer.

[TJ]

I don't know, man. It's tough. I do think if the different stages, you could.

[Dale Jr.]

Tj, you could just go back to drinking your, you know, your little wine coolers and stuff.

[TJ]

Oh, God, yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

The early days, you get these little Seagram.

[TJ]

Listen, I mean, I'm not gonna lie for, like, the first two weekends I moved to North Carolina, I went to the. Me and D. Neo had a refrigerator, and it didn't have anything in it that I would drink. And we went to the. To the grocery store, and I'm like, I'm gonna need a six pack of them smearing off ices and give me a Zima. Yeah. And that lasted about. That lasted about maybe two weeks. And I'm like, I can't do this anymore. And it was. It's been. It was beer from there on out.

[Connor Zillich]

Tj, when's the last time you had four beers in one day?

[TJ]

Oh, I don't have a problem drinking. I mean, you.

[Dale Jr.]

He. I've. I've got a picture of him and Mr. Z's in Key west at 3:00 in the morning.

[TJ]

Oh, yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

And it is hilarious. Even.

[TJ]

Even, like, we were ordering drinks. Like, I. I was drinking two to. Like, I was drinking them fast.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, man. Like, he has his days. He'll get. He'll get on the throttle.

[Connor Zillich]

What's TJ like drunk?

[TJ]

I'm usually happy.

[Dale Jr.]

He is a happy drunk.

[TJ]

Yeah, I'm a happy drunk.

[Dale Jr.]

He's fun.

[Connor Zillich]

I need to experience TJ Drunk once in my life.

[TJ]

I'm. Yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

All right, so our next question.

[Dale Jr.]

We need to do a podcast Drunk. Oh, I would love to. You know when they had drunk history.

[Connor Zillich]

Yes.

[Dale Jr.]

I was like, man, I kind of would like to do that show. Don't Kiss. It was freaking awesome. That'd be awesome, wasn't it? And, I mean, those people were legit drunk.

[Connor Zillich]

All right, let's do one later.

[Dale Jr.]

That wasn't a. You know, you kind of. What? You're watching it and you're like, I'm waiting for somebody to sort of trip up here and. And give up the ghost. Right. That ain't really as drunk as they're planning to be, but they were. Can we tape History was a good show.

[Connor Zillich]

Let's tape an episode a little later in the day just once, and we'll see how it goes.

[Dale Jr.]

Sorry.

[Connor Zillich]

We'll tape an episode later in the day once, and we can have some drinks.

[Dale Jr.]

Pilot. Yeah, the pilot for our drunk podcast.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah. Next one. Next question comes from our good friends at. I think Xfinity actually sent this one in. Dale, do you bring your fire suit with you to races just in case? Get you in the car?

[Dale Jr.]

No, dude, I'm going to tell you how close this. I came really close to a. My Snyder episode. We were at Atlanta, and I am in the booth we're about. We're going to be live in 15 minutes. And Michael. Annette says that he can't race. I think this was around when Michael had the broken leg, and he was just like, man, I can't do it. I don't feel good. And it was last minute when he. He decided this. And LW and Kelly called me, and they're like, hey, can you drive the car? And I'm like, oh, I don't have a helmet. I don't have a suit or anything. I'm up in the booth with my tie on, mic headset, going live in 10, 15 minutes. I'm like, what am I got to my. What are my bosses going to say? Are they going to be okay with me just totally prioritizing that and not being available for the job they're paying

[TJ]

me to do in Car reporter.

[Dale Jr.]

That ain't gonna be enough. You know, that ain't that. Anyways, I was like, hey, get BJ McLeod. They couldn't find BJ and they found Austin Dillon, and he jumped in the car last minute. Like, literally right as they're getting ready to start the race, Austin Dillon jumped in the car and raced it. And I regret not doing doing it, but I don't know if I'd have had to wear someone else's helmet. I didn't have my helmet. I don't want to wear another person's helmet. It's all nasty and sw. Smelly.

[Connor Zillich]

It's not gonna help me.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I don't know how other people are, but I wore the same helmet all year. Yeah, interesting. And I would not have, you know, if. And I didn't. I don't want you wearing my helmet now.

[TJ]

There's no way.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

And the fire suit.

[Dale Jr.]

Like, it's Connor Hall. We went testing my late mall somewhere in Connor hall, threw one of my bear helmets on. And I got there, and he was like, yeah, man, use your spare helmet. I'm like, it's yours now, pal. You can keep it. Like, I don't want it back. But I, you know, that's just how I am.

[Connor Zillich]

That's like I was at a wedding and buddy, he's like, I don't have socks. I forgot him. I'm like, here. He's like, do you want them back? I'm like, no, like, you.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, those are yours.

[Connor Zillich]

Burn them.

[Dale Jr.]

Whatever you want.

[TJ]

That's why we go raise them. Go karts. I always bring a helmet. Yeah, like, you go run for fun. You got to break.

[Dale Jr.]

No, I ain't wearing spare helmet. Somebody else's helmet.

[TJ]

Well, yeah, not community helmet. Those are community helmets.

[Dale Jr.]

So. I don't know. I wished I would have done it. I should have done. I should. Erased.

[Connor Zillich]

I can't imagine like, I mean they saw Snyder like texting, getting information on like the track because it's a road course too. Like it's not just like oh, getting, you know, super speed race.

[Dale Jr.]

Listen, bravo to my it for doing it. What is he going to say? No, course he's going to say yes. But bravo for him for getting in there, doing the job, getting it back home.

[Connor Zillich]

Next question. Tj, has your cool shirt ever failed?

[TJ]

No, no, I've only had to use it. I've only used it like three times.

[Dale Jr.]

TJ has a cool shirt that he wears on the booth or on the roof.

[TJ]

Yeah, it's hot up there. Only 90 and above. You bring it and use it.

[Connor Zillich]

So how effective are they? Because I, it feels like these fail.

[Dale Jr.]

They're amazing.

[TJ]

I don't. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

[Dale Jr.]

They're amazing.

[TJ]

Yeah, I agree.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, I saw Sage, Karen or somebody on social media said man, they. I didn't notice a big difference when I used one. Such a risk to use one because if it breaks, it's really bad. It's like wearing you're being Bolton Johns, right. In a, in a race car, like sweat your ass off. But his must have not worked very well because the chill outs are wildly effective. So I raced forever with like a little shell fan in my helmet. We didn't have any cool vests.

[TJ]

Yeah, just blowers.

[Dale Jr.]

And it was. You were not comfortable, but it was what it was. And then we got little cool boxes that blew cool air into the helmet and that was just a little better. Not a lot, but you know, this, this box in the car and it's doing all it can just to make the air instead of 120 degrees, it's making the air maybe 95 or 90 degrees. And then we got these cool vests. I would say the cool vest is about a 40 degree difference in your core temperature body. So the cool vest basically is all in your torso. Alright. So it's not your sleeves.

[TJ]

Yeah, just shirt.

[Dale Jr.]

It's a, it's basically from your chest down to your belly and in your back. And as soon as you turn it

[TJ]

on it is, you can feel it,

[Dale Jr.]

it's cold, it is cool. And when it's working as designed, it's a massive difference. And if I raced in the Xfinity or Cup level, I would not run with that one unless it was maybe 60 degrees outside, you know, really cool day. Maybe I wouldn't run one.

[TJ]

But I mean, in our. In our instance, you go. If you go to the beach and sit, stand on the beach, it's hot. Like, we don't. You don't ever go there and stand in there. And just the sun. You put, you know, umbrella or that shade, right? You go in our spot and you stand up there for. You're up there an hour and a half before the race. So you're up there for four plus hours, easily.

[Dale Jr.]

Pure sun. No shade.

[TJ]

No shade. And Phoenix is the only. Only spotter sand that has shade. It's the only one that has one of those temporary things up. But you're up there just baking. And when we wear them, there's. There's two or three of us that have them. You don't get at night. You don't. You're not just drained completely. Like, you just feel like. I don't. It's hard to describe the same. Like, you just feel like you're not just running to the ground. Like, you. You retain your fluids throughout the day more and stuff. And I looked over at Nashville a couple years ago and Tim Feedo, I remember looking over at Timmy, and he had his head hung over the railing and, like a. Like a towel hanging around his neck. And the caution would come out, and everyone would run back to the cooler, dip their towels. Everyone's dipping in the same cooler, and I'm like, like. And they're all, like, ringing them out, putting them back on their heads and stuff. And I'm over there just flipping the switch, and I'm like, oh, this is nice. I mean, you know what it feels like when you turn on? The first time I did it, I was like, holy cow.

[Russell]

This is.

[TJ]

It's amazing.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, Very cool.

[Connor Zillich]

Next question comes from Go Gator. Smashing Pumpkins or Pearl Jam?

[Dale Jr.]

Jam.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

That's a close one. I learned. I played a lot of drums when I was young to Smashing Pumpkins, man.

[TJ]

They're both really good, though.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. So good. I remember when smashing pumpkins first CD came out and how much I listened to that. Golly.

[TJ]

79 winner.

[Dale Jr.]

No. Shrub Rock, was it? Maybe. What? Cherub. Rocks.

[Connor Zillich]

Say that again, James.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Cherub. Cherub. Yeah.

[TJ]

Gotcha.

[Dale Jr.]

I wasn't sure how to pronounce it, but that was. That was like their sound, his sound, the sound of his voice, the sound of their guitar. Their music was so unique to anything else. And grunge and all that stuff was. Was on. It was at the peak.

[TJ]

Yeah, it was.

[Dale Jr.]

And then I remember going. I was thinking about this, like, literally a couple days ago. I remember going to the mall. I was working as a. I was working as an oil change mechanic at the dealership. And I remember going to the mall in. In Hickory because Dad's dealership was in Newton, and buying verses when it came out and walking back to my truck and putting it in and immediately starting to play it. You don't know how fun that was when, When. When an album or a record or CD tape, whatever it was. I think I was listening to cassettes in my truck.

[TJ]

They were always hard to open the

[Dale Jr.]

plastic on them and stuff. Yeah, sure. But you knew when this. You knew when the cassette was going to release. When it did, you took your lunch break and went to the mall. Went into the mall, went into the record store, went and bought it. You walked over there, you'd pick that thing out of the rack and it had this little plastic thing on it. So you couldn't walk out of the store with it. You take it over, they'd have to like key it out of this plastic. And you'd walk out of the store, rip that thing apart, rip it open and stick it in your cassette player and turn on your truck. And your entire life was different. Like from that moment forward, that, that mute that, you know, that, you know that Pearl Jam record or whatever it might be would change your whole disposition. And now you're rocking, you know, you're. And you run up down the road playing that thing from forward to back, over and over again to back. Yeah, front to back.

[TJ]

What was your first cd?

[Dale Jr.]

I remember the first time I heard Black from Pearl Jam. I was. I thought I knew, like, all of the hits. I. I was a big Nirvana fan, love Pearl Jam, but I hadn't listened to the whole 10 album for whatever reason. And I remember riding. I remember being in a pickup truck. Hank Parker Jr. Was driving when he played Black for the first time. He's like, hey, man, you heard this one? And I was like, damn, this is good. I mean, I know I've got this record. I've got this out. I got this cassette. And I remember the first time I heard Release. Release is the last song on the ten album for pretty Pearl Jam releases. One of my favorite songs of all time and just an incredible song. Sorry. And so I was going to school at Mitchell Community College, taking automotives, and my best friend Tommy was in the class. And there was this other kid and he was in a band, and we went to a strip mall in Statesville to hear his band play. And they played Release. And it was. And I hadn't heard. I hadn't heard Release. And they played it, and it was so good. And I went up to him and I was like, what was that song y' all played? It was amazing. He goes, that's Release. It's the last song on the ten album. I was like, really? I went and listened to it.

[TJ]

You never got to it.

[Dale Jr.]

I went and listened to my truck. I know I'm like, what in the world I pride myself on, like, being on the front end of, like that. But I remember. I remember the very minute I first heard Smells Like Teen Spirit. I was standing in a buddy's living room, and I went to his house to pick him up. We were running an errand somewhere, probably going to the mall, do something goofy. And we were getting ready to walk out the door, and he goes, hey, stop. Have you heard this song? MTV was on the tv and they were getting ready to start the video.

[TJ]

I remember when that came out.

[Dale Jr.]

And he. I was like, no, I hadn't heard this. He's like, you got to hear it. And we stood at the door looking at his TV for three and a half minutes to listen to that video,

[TJ]

and it was awesome.

[Dale Jr.]

My life changed completely in that moment.

[TJ]

Do you remember your first three CDs that you bought or. First CDs I had.

[Dale Jr.]

I had records.

[TJ]

Yeah, I know. I'm saying, like, I want to went, like, I had some tapes. I didn't have records, but no, I might have a record. I had a Beach Boys record.

[Dale Jr.]

I remember my very first record. It was Hold Me by Fleetwood Mac.

[TJ]

Mine was Beach Boys Greatest.

[Dale Jr.]

It was a 45 single.

[TJ]

My first Beach Boys. But my first three CDs, I remember I got my first CD player, and it was Rex and Effects, Stone temple pilots and UB40.

[Dale Jr.]

Damn.

[TJ]

My first three CDs.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. I love that, man. I mean, music. I know this. I know I'm not unique in this way. Music, obviously, in my life, plays a massive role. Like, I listen to music every moment. I can fit it into the day. If I'm in my pickup truck driving the kids to school. We got a. We got the radio on. We got. We're. We're listening to music. We're curating the soundtrack for the next NASCAR console game right now. And I love being involved in stuff like that. So it's. Yeah, I have a lot of memories of, like, I heard. I remember when I heard this song, this song this song. I remember where I was, what I was doing.

[Connor Zillich]

This next question comes from our friends at Lionel Racing and we're going to do a rank it in three. How would you rank the many forms of a potato? So like french fries. French fries. Mashed potatoes Au gras.

[Dale Jr.]

French fries. French fries is one.

[Connor Zillich]

Do you have a favorite kind of french fry style, I should say?

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, the curly fries at RB are pretty good. So I like. No, not really. I mean, you know, I. I put a little bit of salt on there. Yep.

[TJ]

Every place has their own mix and they kind of separate each other.

[Dale Jr.]

Fries. French fries, number one. Number two is baked potato with butter.

[TJ]

It's hard to beat that.

[Dale Jr.]

Yep. A good old baked potato.

[Connor Zillich]

No other toppings?

[Dale Jr.]

No.

[Connor Zillich]

I like some bacon, some cheese.

[Dale Jr.]

Nope, nope. I just like baked potatoes. Potato with butter. All right. And a steak with a one. Those two things together, I mean, that

[Connor Zillich]

is a solid meal.

[TJ]

Sometimes A1 hits the potatoes a little bit and it's so good. It is good. Not complaining.

[Dale Jr.]

Number three is potato chip

[TJ]

ketchup. Flavored.

[Dale Jr.]

Only in Canada.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah, dude, with the ketchup flavor, you

[Dale Jr.]

have no idea what you're missing out. So in Canada, they have. We don't have just like, you know, we have. We don't have. They have ketchup flavored potato chips.

[Connor Zillich]

They have those in America.

[Dale Jr.]

Do they?

[TJ]

Yeah, yeah. But I don't think it's like I haven't seen this. The ones we had at Hickory.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

Were good.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

Like real good.

[Dale Jr.]

A buddy of mine that lives in Canada brings me down the. The five Alive and all the other good things.

[Connor Zillich]

Those are so good.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, he brings the. The ketchup flavored chips. And so in my mind it's a candidate thing, but that's fair. Yeah. So it's just like eating a french fry with. With ketchup. It is exactly the same taste.

[TJ]

It's good.

[Connor Zillich]

You let me know when you send you a bag and I'll try one.

[TJ]

It's really good. Listen, I put. I usually just put ketchup on my plate and then put stuff on it like that. I'm a ketchup guy.

[Dale Jr.]

So you put ketchup on your eggs?

[TJ]

Oh, yeah, that's absolutely.

[Connor Zillich]

Easily you've gone too, but that's like a common thing.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't really love eggs. I put some salt on them and I'll eat them, but I. Eggs, I'm all right. Me and eggs are just kind of.

[Connor Zillich]

I could have eggs.

[TJ]

Yeah, I don't mind every day. Eggs are good.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't know because you can.

[Connor Zillich]

There's so many ways to cook.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, dude, I agree. There's ways to cook them, but.

[TJ]

And ketchup goes on all of them.

[Dale Jr.]

Wish I loved eggs more than I do. I don't love eggs as much as I wish.

[Connor Zillich]

Are you a breakfast person, though?

[Dale Jr.]

I'm not now. Yeah. If I could eat what I wanted, but I can't. I can't eat what I want. I can't eat French toast every day. I love French toast. That's it is the. That's like the first thing I learned how to cook. I was so proud of myself, like when me and Amy started dating in there. I'm like, you know, you. You wait till I cook you some French toast. I thought I was gonna just.

[Connor Zillich]

That was your Michelin chef over here.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

French toast was the man. Wait till breakfast.

[Connor Zillich]

My. My life hack for French toast.

[Dale Jr.]

Once I cooked her the French toast she was in. That's what I thought. I got her because I knew how to do it.

[Connor Zillich]

So I get the Pepperidge Farm French toast flavored bread. So then all you have to do is dip in the egg wash, throw it on the skillet. You don't to do anything else.

[Dale Jr.]

Do you know that? You. Have you ever tried. Instead of using egg wash, have you ever tried vanilla ice cream?

[Connor Zillich]

No, but you need to got my attention.

[Dale Jr.]

If you want to make French toast that'll blow your socks off. Knock your socks off.

[TJ]

I mean, I can see that.

[Dale Jr.]

Ice cream. Vanilla ice cream.

[Connor Zillich]

I will report back.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, it's all vanilla ice cream's got all the same. Yeah, right. But it kind of caramelizes as well in the pan with all the sugar.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Next question.

[Connor Zillich]

Well, that's it.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, that's all.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, we'll talk. We'll talk to you again about Xfinity. They're waving the red flag on price hikes.

[TJ]

Red flag.

[Dale Jr.]

Red flag is out. Green flag is back out for savings. Xfinity WI Fi. They'll give you this, you know, they'll lock you in at the same price for five years. The hell of a deal. It's great WI FI service. Yeah. Straight to victory lane. And just like that, folks, we have a winner. Xfinity. Imagine that.

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[Connor Zillich]

It's March.

[Dale Jr.]

Yes, it's March. It's time for some basketball. It's time to win some money. It's time to grind it out and we're gonna come from behind. We're going to get our balance back

[Connor Zillich]

and had a good one last night.

[Dale Jr.]

Yep. I got a Parlay for you. St. John's Virginia, Florida, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Illinois. Hell yeah. Minus 263.

[Connor Zillich]

Minus 26 for the love.

[Dale Jr.]

We're gonna win.

[Connor Zillich]

All right, so I've got. I've got one that is three legs. That is plus money.

[Dale Jr.]

It's gonna lose. I win. You'll lose tomorrow. I have more money. Tomorrow you'll have less.

[Russell]

Give me a team.

[Dale Jr.]

You guys bet on that. I need to be. I need to bet on.

[Russell]

So always win.

[Connor Zillich]

I have Tennessee, Texas Tech, Kansas.

[Dale Jr.]

Texas Tech sounds like the winner.

[Connor Zillich]

Plus 105.

[Dale Jr.]

Wow. Huge. Massive difference. My gosh. What am I doing? What am I thinking? We'll see who's wins.

[Connor Zillich]

Listen, yours might win, but at minus.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, mine. Mine might win.

[Connor Zillich]

I'm just. I'm letting the folks know that we don't.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm going to win a nice little bump. We got to get a little bump here.

[Connor Zillich]

If you say so.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm going to win 30 cents on the dollar. That's pretty good. 36 cents on the dollar. 38 cents on the dollar is what I'm going to win.

[Connor Zillich]

We cannot. We do not condone this, folks.

[Dale Jr.]

What the hell? I mean, that's almost.

[Connor Zillich]

We just need to let people know

[Dale Jr.]

that, like, great return.

[Connor Zillich]

That's not good betting advice.

[Dale Jr.]

You don't get to determine that.

[Connor Zillich]

Tim's.

[Dale Jr.]

I wouldn't bet it, but. All right. Hey, a win's a win.

[Russell]

I like taking risks.

[TJ]

Yeah, wins are wins.

[Dale Jr.]

Wait, you like taking risks? I like taking risks. I think every. Every time you put money on the line, it's a risk.

[Russell]

That is true.

[Dale Jr.]

But I like more return when I take my risks. But you lose a lot. That's very true as well. So I don't need to lose. I want to win. But I try to win.

[Russell]

If you lose at minus 230, it's A. It stings a lot more.

[Dale Jr.]

It Rarely happens. 105. It doesn't happen that often because the odds will tell you that. The odds will tell you that. Yeah. All right. We'll see. Only one I'm really worried about is probably Virginia Tech. They play Boston College. Boston College could come in hot. I know nothing about them. Know nothing about them.

[Connor Zillich]

Same.

[Dale Jr.]

All right. Who's Tennessee play? Doesn't know. Doesn't even know. Just like.

[Russell]

No.

[Dale Jr.]

Like the game. No. Better.

[Connor Zillich]

I like Orange, South Carolina.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, my gosh. Well, you better watch them Gamecocks, man. They get up for Tennessee. That's a SEC tournament game.

[Connor Zillich]

It's just a regular season game right now.

[Dale Jr.]

I gotta get it. I mean, but it's. It's conference.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah, but it's not a conference tournament game.

[Dale Jr.]

Everything's on the line, Travis.

[Russell]

You know, I'm going to bet both of these because I need to dip

[Dale Jr.]

my toe back in. I haven't been a cop. Don't bet mine. You're not allowed. Why? Because you just talk about it.

[Connor Zillich]

I didn't talk.

[Dale Jr.]

Good. If it wins, I won't talk about it. Don't bet it. Don't get on there. I'm not telling you about it. I'm Just going to look at the app. All right. We mentioned last week that there were. There were two bets that cashed, and that was Reddick over Byron, Gibbs over Briscoe. If you listen to us, to us and bet Reddick before Sunday, you had a cash out option even before the race started.

[Connor Zillich]

Oh, it was beautiful.

[Dale Jr.]

Wow. On that note, Tim's. When do you bet the pre. When do you bet pre Practice and qualifying?

[Russell]

It depends.

[Dale Jr.]

If I'm drinking, probably won't make it

[TJ]

because I'm not paying attention.

[Dale Jr.]

But honestly, if they're. If it's like a race winner, these are the experts. If they're. Don't drink and gamble.

[Connor Zillich]

Gamble the drink.

[TJ]

Gamble then drink.

[Russell]

If it's like, if the race winner is like plus, like a thousand, plus

[Dale Jr.]

twelve hundred, like, and I think they're gonna do really well and qualify well, I'll bet them because once they qualify up in the top five, you've lost that number and it's kind of unbettable. All right, well, we head to Phoenix. Russell, what's the model tell you? Well, first off, we need to talk about the model. Last week, top three were top three. Not the exact same order, but the top three are top three. So I have to brag on that a little bit. But this week, this week we're gonna go Larson by a minor, minor edge over Bell, Blaney, Logano and Hamlin. But I would put my money on Bell and Blaney here. Like, this is a long Blaine track. These are my two long run guys. We're going to bring back our NASCAR insights, too. And the long run at Phoenix has been all over Blaney and Bell. Very good, Very good. Tim's. What do you think about these?

[TJ]

I like Blaney, too.

[Dale Jr.]

He's my. He'd be my pick. Anybody else? You guys, your own? I have a little bit long shot.

[Russell]

Ross Chastain.

[Dale Jr.]

I kind of like the speed of those track house cars.

[Russell]

He's good here.

[Dale Jr.]

He's one here.

[Russell]

I'd bet him he's plus 2200, I think.

[Dale Jr.]

So what do you think about that there, Russ? I don't mind that, but I would go a little longer shot. And Barry, he was really. I was going to ask you about Barry having won the race here. He was good enough to actually win, take home the trophy. Yeah. About as good as you can be on. On a race weekend. Yeah. And he shows up in all the, all the metrics, passing speed, long run restarts. He was actually the best last year. So I bet that what his Odds are very juicy because he's been struggling.

[TJ]

What about a Briscoe? That 19 car is usually pretty fast at Phoenix.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, I like him. He's. He's not had great results here, but he, he shows up again on all the metrics like he.

[Connor Zillich]

Last year, November. Briscoe wasn't even in the picture with the champ four. Does that concern you, though, T.J. not really.

[TJ]

Because that race, the. I mean, the championship races are usually like, top four guys are always the.

[Connor Zillich]

Russ, what's the. I just remember. What's the tire situation for this race?

[Dale Jr.]

He had a. He was one that had major tire problems last year in the fall.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

And it's the same tire as last

[Connor Zillich]

year, so no option.

[Dale Jr.]

No option.

[Connor Zillich]

Wasn't it?

[Dale Jr.]

Okay, but this is the same tire they used here last. Last fall. That's a. Interesting question to have. So they. They used a different tire in the fall than they did in the first race last year. They had option tires.

[TJ]

Yes.

[Dale Jr.]

Right.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

So they had the same tire, just an option tire as well?

[TJ]

Yeah, well, no, we. In the spring. Yeah. In the fall, we went back with the option tire. Right, Correct.

[Connor Zillich]

As the primary only.

[TJ]

Yes.

[Dale Jr.]

Gotcha. All right. Well,

[TJ]

what about Almondinger? What do you think about them?

[Dale Jr.]

I feel. Well, before we move on, I was just saying, like, you got to think about the tire. So you've had two. You got two races last year, you had two tires. You had a different tire at one race versus the other. Although, you know, you. That would make me want to dive deeper, I guess, into the statistics around Barry. He wins the spring race. Where was he in the fall when, you know, when they made a, you know, when they narrowed down the tire, so to speak, was. Was that the tire. Was he still. You know, because tires, drivers will run well on specific tires.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

They have tracks they like. But if you look at the real trail, the real trail of information and data, drivers lock on to particular tires and always perform well when that tire shows up. Am I right? Yeah, but he. He qualified seventh, finished seventh, ran average running position in the top 10 all day, so I wouldn't be afraid of him. Gotcha. I wonder what his top 10 would be, because that's about all I'd probably put on Josh. Yeah, I mean, he. I hope he goes and wins. I'm a massive Josh Berry fan. But when you talk about putting money down, I think he would. I wonder what his top 10 odds would be.

[Connor Zillich]

They are.

[Dale Jr.]

Because that would be plus 135. Plus 105. Right. That's pretty good.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

All right. Well, we've seen the fours do really well in the past year. You can Bet Logana at 145 heads up against Hamlin. What do you guys think about that? I don't. I like Hamlin. That.

[TJ]

Yeah. I feel. I mean, Denny was really the car to beat there last year.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

In my opinion.

[Russell]

Joey's a slow starter too.

[Dale Jr.]

In my opinion. Russ, you got a. You have a head to head tool. Yeah. Right. But this is. This is a no brainer for Hamlin. No brainer for Hamlin.

[TJ]

Yep.

[Dale Jr.]

What about Reddick versus Larson? You got Reddick coming in hot off three wins.

[Connor Zillich]

Who?

[Dale Jr.]

I. I would just. I'd avoid this one.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

It's a toss up and then Blaney versus Bell. That's a. That's another dead heat. Dead heat. Yep. Chastain over Busher. Which one? This actually Busher has been better here. This has been. And he's plus money on this. Yeah, he's. He's been like top 10 in like four of the last five or something like that.

[TJ]

Yeah. He finds his way up there.

[Connor Zillich]

So this would be Tim's bet. If you like do it now because Bush or if he performs well, those numbers will change.

[Dale Jr.]

Flop.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, as I predicted, he was struggling over the course of the season. But I. I feel pretty confident Butcher can come in and. And just be the best.

[TJ]

Him off last week.

[Dale Jr.]

Good. I need to piss him off. Get out there and get it done.

[TJ]

I told you he was close too. We almost drove back over here.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I feel like that he probably

[TJ]

would whoop your ass.

[Russell]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Needs probably needs to focus on his competition meetings and such. Yeah. Try to figure out how to get the. Get this bed over Chastain 1 this weekend. Yeah, he can do it.

[TJ]

He can do it. Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

I like, I like Chris.

[TJ]

This is going to be an interesting race to see where this is the. With the new bodies and stuff too are like for Chevy, like this is kind of going to be a. It's kind of being a little.

[Dale Jr.]

See where they're at kind of thing. Yeah, sure.

[Connor Zillich]

Do you think we're gonna see some cars, some drivers maybe press into like this is the first race where you're not super speedway road course and they feel like they're in a hole and they gotta go do something.

[TJ]

I don't feel like they're gonna try any harder than they are going to normally. Like they're gonna go there and try to win.

[Dale Jr.]

Like I'll say this, there's nobody. I. I'll Say drivers race as hard as they can all the time.

[TJ]

Yeah. They don't press harder because it's a certain track.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Now there's drivers that quit, there's drivers that give up, but there aren't drivers that are out there going, man, you know, I've been running at, you know, 80% last couple of weeks. It's a, I need to pick it up. I'm gonna go run 90, 95 this weekend. They're just always pushing as hard as they can until they're not, until they just, till they lose. Till they've lost. Then they quit before the race is over. But most of them show up at 10. 10. All right, well, one bet that is real simple to make and that is, that's the top manufacturer. What is that one bet that is real simple to bet.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah. Just letting the folks know one simple bet is top manufacturer. Who do you think's gonna what manufacturer is gonna win?

[Dale Jr.]

All right, how about how's it simpler?

[Connor Zillich]

Because you're just picking one of three manufacturer. One of three?

[TJ]

Yeah, it's just not, not many options.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I mean we just went through some head to heads.

[Connor Zillich]

We're trying to.

[Dale Jr.]

How's it simpler?

[TJ]

Yeah, but I mean those guy over the other, those are wow. Because you gotta look, go dig in deep and see which one's better. I mean like Russ said, he's staying away from two of them. So that'd be pretty hard decision there.

[Dale Jr.]

Russ. I don't think. Is it a clear? Is there a clear. Yes. I do too. It's, there's no clear cut. It is, it is the most lottery risky bet on the board. Yeah. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah.

[Russell]

Yep.

[Dale Jr.]

I, I, this is the hardest. This is the biggest toss. Hey, I'm start. We should let the X experts easy bet to make. I think.

[Connor Zillich]

Yeah. It's an easy bet to make. I'm not saying like the decision or anything. Decision is simple.

[Dale Jr.]

You can't make that decision. How is choosing between three things easier than choosing between two things? Because we just went over the head to head. I agree with that.

[Connor Zillich]

What I have to say, I didn't say it's more simple. I said it's one bet that is simple.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm sorry, my advice, you make it

[Connor Zillich]

sound like I'm saying it's more simple than the head to head. I didn't say that.

[Dale Jr.]

I think I'm the only one that's having fun here. No, I'm going to stop. I just like to give you a hard time.

[Russell]

Yeah.

[Connor Zillich]

I don't I'm good because I'm right.

[Dale Jr.]

Chevrolet plus 140. Toyota plus 160. Ford. It plus 240 then I think that's an easy one then. That's crazy.

[Russell]

That is a simple.

[Dale Jr.]

How is Ford so high? Yeah. When we're talking about Blaney being the favorite. Simple plus 240. I still don't feel like it's as easy as a heads up when the lines like this. Pretty simple, man.

[TJ]

Those had two of those heads up, though, are like.

[Dale Jr.]

It's not. I mean, those are great odds. Great odds. Yeah. You don't get. Well, you don't get those odds very often.

[Russell]

If it's not Blaney, I don't know

[Dale Jr.]

if another Ford wins. Yeah. That's the.

[Russell]

That's why.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, it's plenty or bust. Josh Berry won this race last year.

[TJ]

No, he didn't.

[Dale Jr.]

No, he definitely didn't. He finished.

[TJ]

Josh Barry won Vegas.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm sorry. Yeah.

[TJ]

I was gonna bring that up earlier, but I was gonna let you ride that wave.

[Dale Jr.]

I've been thinking about Vegas this whole time. All this.

[Connor Zillich]

All this gambling talk.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. I'm already down to Vegas.

[TJ]

Experts who waited. To the experts.

[Dale Jr.]

He ran well.

[TJ]

I was. What?

[Dale Jr.]

He did run well here. He did. He was fourth in the spring, seventh in the fall. Yeah. Yeah.

[TJ]

No, he did run good.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Okay.

[TJ]

But he didn't win

[Dale Jr.]

well. All right.

[Connor Zillich]

Good job, expert.

[Dale Jr.]

Yep. Now I see why the Ford has those odds. Makes sense now.

[Russell]

Checks out.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

But I think I actually thought I screwed up.

[Connor Zillich]

Should be the favorite to win.

[Dale Jr.]

I had you thinking you screwed up.

[TJ]

I was like, just didn't win that race.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

I'm like. I remember watching Joshua in Vegas, but he'd do something I forgot about.

[Dale Jr.]

I know. I don't remember him running good at Phoenix.

[TJ]

He was just quietly good. Like, they saw.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, the first one, I kind of think. I do remember that. But the second one, well, there's no

[TJ]

focus on him at all at that point. It's all the championship, guys.

[Dale Jr.]

Not anymore. Not anymore. Not anymore. No.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, well, me look over this real quick.

[TJ]

I mean, we blew that race last year, Russ. We screwed it up.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

Everyone probably forgot about that race. Oh, my gosh.

[Dale Jr.]

That was a spot there.

[TJ]

Was driving it deep.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. How do y' all think they're. You know. How do y' all think the final race of the year. How do y'. All. How much do y' all take away from how the playoffs affect the performance of the cars in that race versus. You know, because when when we go to the playoff races, the playoff guys magically run. 1, 2, 3, 4. Yeah. Weird how that happens, but, you know, when we go back to these same racetracks, a year later, it's anybody's race. It's a little more of a mixed bag. So how does the predictor, I suppose, vet that out? The predictor doesn't care about that. But I still think there's going to be pressure. Like, even if somebody has to finish 15th, that's we've seen that they're going to run. They're going to run 10th through 20th all day. Yeah. So I still think it's going to be pressure packed. And the guys are going to run well. Are going to have to run well.

[Connor Zillich]

Will run well.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, well. All right. The Dirty Moto segment is brought to you by FanDuel, the premier gaming destination in the United States. Those are. That's all your information for Phoenix and hope y' all are having some fun during the month of March as we're going to start betting and talking about a lot of our bets that we're making in college basketball. Had a lot of fun last year with that. Russell, you got any predictions on who wins the tournament?

[TJ]

Duke.

[Dale Jr.]

Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, they're gonna have the Tar Heels to answer to.

[TJ]

When does the tournament kick off?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Tar Heels beater this year. Weeks.

[TJ]

A couple weeks.

[Dale Jr.]

Pretty good. We can show up. Especially we get a little better when March. Who's this we uncc Target French. All right, act like we didn't beat him. I mean,

[Connor Zillich]

name a player.

[Dale Jr.]

The dude who got hurt.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Causes he got hurt and missed the game against Miami.

[TJ]

Vince Carter.

[Dale Jr.]

We lost Michael Jordan. Yeah. Brad Doherty. Oh, conveniently, Russell's connection started to get bad.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Interesting.

[TJ]

Russell.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, Russell, we'll see you.

[TJ]

Yeah. Good seeing you, Russ.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, that's gonna do it for us, man. It's a great show, tj.

[TJ]

Great show.

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