Last Driver to 60 Wins?

Summary

The Dale Jr. Download

Episode: Last Driver to 60 Wins?
Host: Dale Earnhardt Jr. with TJ, Chris, Tyler Reddick
Date: October 14, 2025
Network: Dirty Mo Media, SiriusXM

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Episode Overview

This episode circles around two big themes: celebrating Denny Hamlin’s milestone 60th Cup Series win and a spirited debate about whether any current or future NASCAR Cup driver will reach that number again. Dale Jr. and the team reflect on the evolution of key drivers, the difficulty of stacking up wins in the modern era, and shifting attitudes in the garage and among fans. The show also touches on racing strategy, changes in NASCAR points and car formats, memorable moments from the weekend’s races, and audience questions about everything from chili recipes to sheet metal memorabilia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Denny Hamlin's 60th Win and What It Means

(Segment starts ~22:53, major discussion 23:32-35:24)

• Emotional Victory: Denny’s Vegas win (his 60th) carries extra significance given his dad’s health struggles:

  “His dad hasn’t been feeling well over the last year or two... I think that's been the, you know, tough for Denny to manage... So you know, that's where Denny is in his life and he's having to deal with losing somebody or the possibility of losing somebody that, that means the world to him and that is... maybe single-handedly responsible for the life that Denny's been able to have.” – Dale Jr. [24:41]

• Denny’s Human Side: Listeners hear about Denny’s family’s sacrifices and rare glimpses into his softer side:

  “We don't really get to see Denny be humanized... but I think that the fans can really appreciate it. I see a ton of comments from fans: 'Hey, I'm not a Denny fan. I'm not a Denny bro. But feel for the guy and what he's going through.’” – Dale Jr. [26:21]

• End of the Road? The hosts question whether Denny can stop racing while he’s still winning:

  “If the guy’s still winning races, how do you quit in that final year? I don’t think he does.” – Dale Jr. [28:43]

• Chasing Legends: With 16 wins to tie Dale Sr.'s total, Denny still has plenty of motivation:

  “How would you not want to tie that guy?... Because you could really say, hell, I won as many races as Dale Earnhardt.” – Dale Jr. [28:52]

2. Will Modern Drivers Hit 60 Wins Again?

(Starts ~34:33, peak debate 34:48-40:13)

• The Math & Mindset: Joey Logano, Kyle Larson, and Chase Elliott are considered possibilities, but everyone agrees the modern era makes reaching 60 much harder.

  • Joey Logano: “Joey needs four or five wins a year to get to 60, in my opinion.” – Dale Jr. [35:16]
  • Kyle Larson: Could do it in terms of raw talent, but likely to retire early and focus on dirt racing.
  • Chase Elliott: Hosts believe he’ll step away early, content with what he’s achieved.

• Changing Career Arcs:

  “It was absolutely common to see guys race beyond 50... and that number has sort of crept down.” – Dale Jr. [38:57]

  • Drivers today often value time with family over chasing record books.

• Cultural Shift:

  “I mean, there’s other priorities in life... at some point you look back and say, 'I've won three championships, a Daytona 500...' Why do I want to miss that time?” – TJ [39:42]

3. Race Recaps and Strategy

Cars Tour & Xfinity

• Short Track Racing Exposure: Dale praises streaming platforms like FloRacing and their impact on local racing visibility. [6:04-10:11]
• CARS Tour Title Fights: Landon Lewis vs. Connor Hall in Late Model Stock; Ben Mayer set for Pro Late Model championship through consistency rather than wins. [10:11-11:40]
• Xfinity Recap: Connor Zillich’s aggressive effort impresses Dale Jr.; discussions on tire management and risk vs. reward in playoff racing. [14:47-19:58]

Cup Series Vegas Recap

• Denny’s Race: Strategic drive to the front, emotional post-race interview, and implications for his championship odds.
• Penske Troubles: With Blaney and Logano deep below the playoff cut line, they’re likely in “must-win” mode at Talladega or Martinsville. [31:33-34:26]

Super Speedway (Talladega) Preview

• Teammate Dilemmas: At Talladega, drivers must balance helping teammates with self-interest.

  “I'm going to try to be a good teammate when that's possible, but I'm not going to do anything that I think is detrimental to me, even losing one position.” – Dale Jr. [54:16]

• Team Orders Fade: Manufacturer and team alliances are less rigid than in the past; desperation and playoff math drive risk-taking.
• Surviving the Wrecks: Racing “up front” is considered the best way to avoid ‘The Big One’:

  “If you’re racing hard all the time, then there’s a better chance of you being in front of the crash when it happens.” – Dale Jr. [58:33]

4. NASCAR’s Format & Future Changes

(Main topic at 60:13-68:02)

• No Instant Fixes:

  “There is nothing...that changes next year that delivers results (right away)... To build it back is going to take a long period of time. You don’t build something that big and that great in a 12 month period.” – Dale Jr. [60:59]

• Points System Debate: Any changes to format or horsepower (like boosting to 750hp) won’t yield overnight success but are “moves in the right direction.”
• Patience and Process:

  “If we don’t change it... we’re going to continue on this route that we’re on that none of us like. So whatever changes come, you... have to buckle in and own it for a while because it’s not going to produce results immediately.” – Dale Jr. [65:44]

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Notable Quotes

• On Winning 60 Races in Modern NASCAR:

  “60 is going to be tough to get to, man. Like, I don’t... there’s not enough wins a year.” – TJ [37:44]

• On the Career Tipping Point:

  “If you get out of the car, you didn’t get quite the result you needed, and you know, at points of the race you were settling, that’s hard to handle.” – Dale Jr. [18:30]

• On Patience for NASCAR’s Revival:

  “You can destroy this thing quickly, but to build it back is going to take a long period of time.” – Dale Jr. [60:59]

• On “Teammate Help” at Talladega:

  “If you’re going to take a win from your teammate, you better be able to know for sure that that move is the one that will win you the race... you can’t cost both of you the race.” – Dale Jr. [55:05]

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Memorable Moments & Lighter Segments

• Chili Debate: Beans or no beans? Turns into a running gag about culinary skills among the crew. [80:36-83:25]
• Sheet Metal Collector Talk: Dale Jr. discusses the odd nostalgia and market for door panels, including rare pieces from his own collection. [77:02-79:17]
• LEGO Titanic Update: Crew jokes about Dale’s stalled LEGO project; the metaphor for unfinished business draws laughs. [79:30-80:09]

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Time | Topic | |----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:56 | Show intro, Dale Jr. broadcasting remote (“fall break” with kids) | | 04:05 | NFL vent session, fan emotions | | 06:04 | Big CARS Tour finale; value of streaming short track racing | | 10:11 | CARS Tour championship scenarios | | 14:47 | Xfinity race: Connor Zillich’s epic drive, playoff breakdown | | 22:53 | Denny Hamlin’s 60th win: context and meaning | | 34:33 | Will someone else reach 60 wins? Joey Logano, Larson, Elliott talk | | 40:13 | Changes in career longevity in modern NASCAR | | 54:16 | Teammate or not? Talladega dilemma, playoff positioning | | 60:13 | NASCAR’s points/format/hp changes—the “heavy boat” analogy | | 77:02 | Ask Jr.: Favorite sheet metal; discussion of memorabilia | | 80:36 | Beans-in-chili debate | | 87:18 | Dirty Modo: Talladega betting tips and philosophy |

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Summary Table: Drivers’ Prospects for 60 Wins

| Driver | Career Wins (as of episode) | Panel Prediction | |----------------|----------------------------|--------------------------| | Denny Hamlin | 60 | Could go higher, won’t retire yet [28:52] | | Joey Logano | 37 | 50-55 possible, 60 unlikely [37:44] | | Kyle Larson | 32 | Has talent, early retirement likely [36:04] | | Chase Elliott | 21 | Will leave early, no shot at 60 [36:13] | | Brad Keselowski| 36 | Unlikely to reach 40 [35:54] |

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Audience Q&A (Ask Jr.)

• First driver/track in NASCAR 25 video game: Dale Jr. says he’ll play career mode starting with an ARCA car at Rockingham; crew shares their first picks. [74:07]
• Collecting Sheet Metal: Dale Jr. considers selling non-personal historic doors, wonders about fan reactions. [77:02]
• Talladega Team Orders: Will non-playoff drivers push teammates or go for wins? Focus on Brad K, Stenhouse, Chastain, and team duties in the draft. [98:41]
• Chili Styles & Cooking Philosophies: Beans, no beans, and the art of grilling vs. “real” cooking. [80:36]

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Conclusion

This episode of “The Dale Jr. Download” blends nostalgia, strategy, and inside-the-garage candor. The hosts mark Denny Hamlin’s 60th win as a rare feat likely never to be surpassed, dissect the culture shift in driver longevity, and analyze how both points systems and teamwork affect modern racing. They deliver both insightful analysis and the signature light-hearted banter fans expect, all while emphasizing the slow, generational work required to revive NASCAR’s golden era.

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Recommended Listen:

• Denny Hamlin post-win interview (~23:32)
• Teammate dynamics at Talladega (~54:16)
• Old-school vs. modern career paths for star drivers (~38:57)

Final Note:
If you’re a NASCAR fan pondering whether anyone will ever match Denny’s 60 wins—or if you just want to understand the deeper currents shaping today’s Cup Series—this episode is required listening.

Transcript

[Dale Jr.]

If I was the driver of any of those cars, I would just tell everybody, like I'm going to try to do what I can to be a good teammate when that's possible. I'm not going to do anything that I think is detrimental to me even losing one position.

[Tyler Redick]

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[Chris]

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[Dale Jr.]

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[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[Dale Jr.]

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[TJ]

I don't know if we've ever argued. Did I piss you off over the.

[Dale Jr.]

Weekend or I'm still sour that I wasn't the best man at your wedding.

[Chris]

Who was your best man, Dale?

[Dale Jr.]

Tj. Tj. You don't need a cool vest for that race. What are you thinking? Get him. Dj. No way to start the show.

[TJ]

All right then.

[Dale Jr.]

Hey Everybody. It's Dale Jr. Back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. Download. And I am remote. Today kids are on fall break. TJ is in the studio. Travis, we'll have a regular show here for you today. And this show is brought to you by Bass Pro Shops. Man. They're North America's premier outdoor and conservation company. You can plan your next adventure by going to a Bass Pro Shops near you and shopping. Or you can go online@bass pro.com so they've been a great partner of ours for a Long time and continue to be today. And they support race cars on the racetrack, they support podcasts, dirty mo media, all types of things. Wyatt, his racing career owes a lot to Johnny Morris and Bass pro, so we love what they do. So, anyhow, how's it going, tj?

[TJ]

Hey, it's going pretty good. How about, how's the break going?

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I'll say this, man, my heart is broken. Seriously, my heart is broken. Why last night.

[TJ]

Oh, I know.

[Dale Jr.]

Washington fumbled the ball, had about two minutes left in the game, one yard away from a first down, which would have probably run the clock down and fumbled the handoff.

[TJ]

Yeah, those are. Those are tough to beat. Not good. The Bills. The Bills didn't do much better, so. Yeah, both our teams failed.

[Chris]

The Bills cost me a part way, so. I'm mad with you, tj.

[TJ]

Yeah, they probably cost a lot of people parlays.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, that. That one hurt last night because that was against the Bears, who we had the Hail Mary against. And, you know, the Bears are probably sitting there thinking, well, we should have beat you twice. You got lucky once. Yeah, it was an ugly game. We played terrible.

[TJ]

Low scoring, right?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, well, we just. We had three fumbles. Three or three giveaways, an interception. Two. Two fumbles. Oh, man.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, fun, you know. If you didn't give, though, it wouldn't matter, you know, if it didn't matter, you didn't give. That's the tough part about being a fan, is the good. You know, the good times are good, but then you got to go through the crap when it ain't good. And, man, I felt like that we had paid our dues as Washington commanders. I thought we'd paid our damn dues. Then we got a night like last night.

[TJ]

Yeah, this happens.

[Dale Jr.]

As a fan base, I ain't saying nothing that you don't know, man. You're a Buffalo fan and y' all have certainly paid your dues, but God.

[TJ]

Almighty, it's not a fun. It's not fun when you're getting. When this happens, it's just a gut check. And the Bills fed two weeks in a row of bad losses of games that I feel like they should have won. The Patriots are always tough for them to play, but, like, the Falcons are just kind of average this year.

[Dale Jr.]

And, dude, I don't know. The Falcons look pretty good. I know the Falcon, Everybody wants to say the Falcons are average, man, but you win games like that against a great team like Buffalo, and I don't know if you can call yourself average anymore.

[TJ]

Yeah, I don't feel like Buffalo, but.

[Dale Jr.]

John Robinson is in the. John Robinson is like a one man wrecking crew dude. He's insane. You can't stop him.

[TJ]

No, he's really good. Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

What in the world?

[TJ]

I feel like there was opportunities to have to get back in the game and possibly win the game. I quit watching it at one point, but I guess there was opportunities that plays just didn't get made at times. So. Yeah, got to make them plays.

[Dale Jr.]

I know. I hate going on and on about this stuff because I bet there's a ton of people listening to this show right now don't give a crap about Washington or Buffalo.

[TJ]

Could be football fans. I bet a lot of our football fans.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I'm sure there's some. But, man, I got to get it off my chest, you know, I can't do the show without. I knew coming in as last night when I went to bed, I'm like, I'll be miserable all damn day tomorrow.

[Chris]

Well, we said that this show is about making you feel better. You start off bad and by the end you're feeling good. So, like that's, that's. That's the mission statement of this show.

[Dale Jr.]

That's, that is absolutely it. This is my therapy session. Y' all should be charging money a lot to cover on this show. Cup series is the Sunday race and it's the last thing we're going to discuss in the dirty air segment. First off, big weekend for the cars tour coming up. Multiple reasons why I want to talk about this. The final race of the season is at North Wilkesboro this Saturday. The final race of the cars tour season is Saturday at North Wilkesboro. If you can go, by all means, please go support the tour, the track, and all the things that we should be thankful for. Good. You know, short track racing, easy drive.

[TJ]

And Wilkes around this area and Wilkesboro.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, yeah. So 45 minutes from my house.

[Tyler Redick]

Yep.

[Dale Jr.]

Go support it. Or you can tune in and watch it on Flow. So I went to Flow's headquarters yesterday in Austin, Texas. Flow is our home for the cars tour. Flow is our partner that puts us, makes us available for fans to be able to watch. I say this, I talk about this all the time. I think, man, we are. We're not that far removed from, you know, you couldn't watch a short track race or a local race on. On a stream somewhere. It just wasn't available. So if you wanted to know what happened at Langley or what happened at Florence, you had to get on the Internet and maybe follow somebody.

[TJ]

Yeah, Like Matt Weaver used to be my guy.

[Dale Jr.]

Matt Weaver? Yeah. Like you follow somebody, you learn about what happened the next day. It sucked. So not, you know, that that's still available and that's still helpful, but you could watch. And I remember when I heard about flow and I was like, all right, I'll get flow. And I. It was really affordable. Of course the subscription price has increased over time, but they've got. They're going to do 40,000 events next year. 40,000 events?

[TJ]

That's ridiculous.

[Chris]

That's unreal.

[Dale Jr.]

They. Yeah, they do high school sports and they started with wrestling and. Shoot, I forget what it was.

[Tyler Redick]

Track.

[Dale Jr.]

Track and field and wrestling. That's how they started. Just like doing a couple events here and there and they get the feed from the school or. And it's. It's college as well. They have dozens and dozens. Almost 80 to 100 college football games any given week.

[TJ]

Really? Are they just local, more to Texas area or all over?

[Dale Jr.]

No, no, no, all over. That's just where their base is, Texas. They have a ton of sports, right? And any given weekend. And they're. One of their biggest properties is motorsports. They have the high limit, lots of dirt racing and some pavement late model racing, so forth as well. So they have the CARS Tour. So it's about a hundred and forty dollars, I think, annually. And so to get everything that you get, I think it's incredible in terms of value. So anyways, I went up there, got a tour of the place. We sat down, we talked about the future of the CARS Tour. They are all in. They believe in, in the tour. They believe in what they're doing. So I just hope people really appreciate them for. For them, for what they, what they provide us because the convenience of being able to sit down and watch either the CARS Tour, you can. There's multiple short tracks that they stream any given weekend. All kinds of dirt asphalt, NASCAR regional, all types of stuff. And we have the, you know, we have that convenience. It's, you know, it wasn't there 10 years ago, didn't exist.

[TJ]

I agree with you on this. It is, it is unreal. All the short track action that you can get and that you can follow weekly, like local short, like dirt between dirt racing. Bowman Gray. Although there's a lot of local short tracks that it's just. I mean, it's unreal. Like, you got to try it.

[Dale Jr.]

It really is. But look, the CARS Tour is arguably some of the best pavement racing going on in the country today. It lives exclusively on flow. The last races of the season is at Northwest borough this Saturday. We are, we're going to be deciding our our championship race for both classes. I think that our, our late model stock. Let me see here. Late model stock drivers points. Landon Lewis and Connor hall are kind of battling this out. They are well clear of cade Brown in third but it's a 12 point gap. Landon Lewis leads Connor Hall. Landon Lewis dominated Wilkesboro earlier this year. So going to be tough for Connor hall to go out there and mount the the charge needed to win. Landon Lewis has four wins this season to Connor Hall's two. So it's a. Landon's had a great year in the pro late model. Let's see. Rick Rare racing's got a chance to win the owner's points but in the, in the driver's points, Ben Mayer. I think all he has to do really is start the race. So he's. He's 45 points ahead of Brandon Lopez. Ben Mayer has drove an incredible season. Six top fives, nine top tens. No wins yet. So he hasn't won a race and has the points literally locked up with a start.

[TJ]

Consistency, huh?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, you got to celebrate it. I mean in the Pros we've had 86 cars race in the pros throughout the year. But there are only, let's see, four guys, five that have started all 12 events. So it's, you know, the pros you kind of get a little bit of everybody as you move around the, the, the geographical sort of footprint that we're in. You get a little bit here and a little bit there. But in the, see in the late mile stocks we have it's hard, probably not as easy to tell. We got quite a few more that have run all the races. Probably about 10 to 12. So anyways, yeah the car stores wrapping up their season and I am done racing this year for the late model stocks won't be at the 400 in South Carolina. This year we're going to have cars that go down there and race. Junior motorsports will be represented in the 400 and also there may be a neat little Junior motorsports entry with a very kind of surprising name behind the wheel for the Thanksgiving race in southern national. The NASCAR playoffs are here and so is your chance to bring the intensity home. Celebrate every pass, pit stop and photo finish with a collectible car from Lionel Racing. The official die cast of nascar. Built for fans who live for the chase, Lionel racing die casts are the ultimate trophy. Each car is precision crafted featuring authentic paint schemes and hand applied decals. Plus each 1:24 scale die cast is part of a limited edition run, making every piece a must have for true collectors. Whether you're riding with Team Larson, backing Team Hamlin, or watching to see if Logano can win it all again, Lionel Racing has a die cast that reps your favorite playoff driver now through the end of September. Get free US Shipping when you purchase the Cup Series diecast of a NASCAR playoff driver. Just go to lionel racing.com and use the promo code Playoffs. That's promo code playoffs@lionel racing.com hey everybody, you want the latest Dale Jr. Download apparel? Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com we're always adding new stuff all the time, especially like when we say something silly on this show. We'll put it on a T shirt again. Check it out at shop.dirtymomedia.com let's jump into. Let's see. Shall we talk quickly about the Xfinity. I will say the one thing that I took away from the Xfinity race, obviously the eight car struggled terribly. I don't understand why that happened, but I was really surprised to see them not run better than that. The one car struggled was, was obviously disappointed with both of those results. Justin Algar had a pretty quick car, feel pretty good about where they are momentum wise, speed wise going into these next couple of races and feel like if Justin can get to Phoenix, he's got a great shot at winning another championship. The 88 of Zillich. I don't. I'm telling you, man, I the, the way the kid drove that car the last 20 laps was epic. And I mean he just literally didn't have enough to be able to, to, to get there and get it done. And you could tell he was getting everything and more out of that race car. I've just, I think the fans that saw the last 20 laps that race were thoroughly impressed, thoroughly enjoyed the effort from Connor. And yeah, I mean we don't often see somebody just, you know, I don't want to say out of control, but car that yawned out just really going for it and he has so much to risk in terms of the points. Maybe he doesn't even realize that. Maybe to him it's not. Maybe he's not taking a risk, maybe totally in control of everything going on.

[TJ]

They don't look in control sometimes. But man, is it fun to watch.

[Dale Jr.]

It's so fun to watch and you just got to get out of the way. Like, you know, I, you, if you were the owner, like it's. No one in the world feels this way, but probably me, but I'm the owner of the car. And so I'm sitting there watching the car, and I'm like, you know, part of me is like, damn, he might get him. Golly, he looks like, oh, he's got a good run here. If he can just get him upset a little bit and get to the rear bumper and get him up off the bottom maybe. And then he gets sideways and loses a ton of track position, you know, loses a lot of. Lot of room. And you're like, I just settle in and bring it home. And then he makes another run, you know, cool. Cools it down. I don't know how he was doing that because I'm sitting there looking at them tires, and it's like they're. They got to be boiling hot. I don't know how in the hell he's able to. To get that thing, to ask that thing, to have the grip, to be able to actually mount another run and another charge to Eric.

[TJ]

I don't think the Xfinity tire is quite as heat sensitive as the other tires, though. But you're. Yeah, you're right, though, as far as how he can. You think he's done. And then here he comes back a little bit.

[Dale Jr.]

It was impressive as hell. So I think, you know, we're just seeing this kid, you know, show us that he really is the real deal. Yeah. So what's. It's, you know, we got a Talladega and Martinsville coming up to, you know, two different tracks, completely different. And as we preview both of those in the Xfinity series at Talladega, Band, you just going to have to go race your ass off. I don't know that there's a strategy. Now. The 88 and the 7 may be able to be more conservative and give, you know, be conservative on the stages just to stay out of trouble to get their end result. Because you don't want to crash out of a first stage and get nothing all day. But the other two, I think they got to go race like hell. Yeah, the eight just race like the.

[Chris]

88 is 82 points above the cut. Algar is 44.

[TJ]

Yeah, I would.

[Dale Jr.]

So they could just chill, get a finish, get out of there. Not really what you want. Not really kind of the racing you want to go do, but kind of what you have to go do, considering the situation you're in with this points format. The other two guys, the one and the eight, got to go. I just go race like hell, try to win race like hell.

[Chris]

But they don't have to win.

[Dale Jr.]

I would say go.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Lead every lap. Just have this attitude of putting it all out there, leaving it in God's hands. Whatever you want to say, right, just go like hell.

[TJ]

I agree.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. I mean, that's. You can't, you can't live with yourself when you get out of that car with, with and you don't have the result needed. And you know, at certain parts in the race, you were settling. That is so hard to reconcile with. At the end of the day, if you get out of the car, you didn't get quite the result you needed. And you know, at points of the race, you were. You were settling. That's hard. That's hard to handle because. And so that's. That's Talladega and Martinsville. You know, I think a couple. I think last year, maybe this year I was telling them they needed to get it off the damn schedule because of what a show it is. And I won't expect this one to be any different.

[TJ]

It's a shame, though, because that can be a really great racetrack, too. It comes down to the drivers respecting each other.

[Dale Jr.]

Martinsville, Martinsville is a great.

[TJ]

It is a great racetrack.

[Dale Jr.]

But what are the. The stages are what, 40 laps? What are the stages?

[TJ]

I mean, I don't.

[Dale Jr.]

Ridiculous.

[TJ]

Yeah. I mean, it needs to be into a long run where cars separate.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. They don't, you know, the cars don't have enough power to race there. It's like getting in the gas, like stepping in a bucket of mud.

[TJ]

But these guys never really get to feel an 80 lap run, you know what I mean? Like how much it can fall and how much they can really do it. Like, that's where they got to learn the craft is having runs. Yeah, I wish it was.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, they, it, they. They don't have the. I just. Yeah, the stages are super short. The car is not very fun to drive there because of the lack of power. It doesn't. Doesn't do anything really good, which is okay. But I don't know, it's just a frustrating race to run. Yeah. If they did let you kind of, you know, go 80 to 100 laps or a little further on a, on a, on a run, on a stage, man, it'd be really nice. I don't know why that race would be. That race should be 300 laps, all 100 lap stages.

[Chris]

Ownership, championship just got a little more interesting for Xfinity, too.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. You know, that's the thing, you know, Eric Alvarola. I'll just say it. I mean, Eric's a great guy, but dude, he's annoying to race against.

[TJ]

He is, yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

He's like a bulldog when he gets back in the McFaddy cars.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't know if he's that. He's not that, you know, he's pretty.

[TJ]

Aggressive, but he's good. Like, he's really good.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, he's aggressive so far. I feel like he's taking it out on people that deserve it. But it's not like he's just running. He's very selective, and I don't think he's just running into people that much.

[TJ]

I don't think he's just like ruining his race stuff.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I don't, you know, but you call him a little dog.

[TJ]

He's a little rough with the guys, but he's like, I would be too if I was him going back in there. He should be, I think.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. I think he's just trying to have fun. He's on the back end of this, you know, whatever this is.

[TJ]

I love it.

[Dale Jr.]

In his. In his career and he's winning races. It's annoying for me.

[TJ]

I love. It's fun to watch.

[Dale Jr.]

For me to teach you.

[Chris]

What team are you spotting for here?

[TJ]

I'm just saying it's fun to watch. I mean, I enjoy seeing Eric come back and. And be aggressive with these guys. And they can learn something from Eric, honestly. I mean, they can learn from him.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. There's the friend, the. The person that I believe. I think me and Eric are friends. And I'm happy to see him go through this process and have the. Have these moments with his kids. That's incredible for him. That's incredible for him. I bet when he was retiring from the cup car, he never imagined having these opportunities to make these memories that his son and his kids are going to remember forever.

[TJ]

They're loving it.

[Dale Jr.]

Those are great. Those are great things. But now he's going to go run the Martinsville in the Phoenix race. They're going for the points championship in the 19 car. I understand that, but I worry how that's going to mingle with the driver championship, you know, and so, you know, we'll see how that works out. But hopefully Eric can do what he needs to do to try to give himself the best shot for them to win the owners points championship. I won't. I want that for him. He's free to go do that, but I hope at the same time he doesn't affect the driver's championship in some negative way. That would be diff. That would Be tough to, to, to, to take.

[TJ]

Now when you say that, do you mean like just have an incident with one of them guys or.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, I want, I got, I'm hoping to have a couple guys in the four at Phoenix and I hope you don't that up for me. Now he can go out there and try to win the, the owners championship. Go race hard. We're going to be trying to beat him, all that, but at the same time, there's a driver's championship totally unrelated to him.

[Chris]

So what if he's racing, let's say Zillich.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't. He don't need to give up, give her. He don't need to do anything. Just don't, don't run into our car, you know, don't, don't make a mistake. Don't get loose underneath somebody and then, you know, take, take, take our guys up the track or cut a tire or whatever. Right?

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Just hope that he typically, he's not, he's typically not that kind of racer. He's very smart. I think you can race. I could race Eric side by side and not worry about him ever making a mistake. And I'm hoping that that holds true in Phoenix. But I got it. I mean, just, I'm expressing openly my like, inner thoughts here. Right. So I don't want it to be insulting to Eric in any way, but I'm just telling you here today that it was being transparent with what's going on in my brain. So that moves us to the Cup Race. Denny Hamlin and the Denny Bros. Celebrated a big victory in Vegas and Denny had an awesome run there at the end, restarted six in the last start, got to third with 10 to go past Larson. Then Briscoe. Larson was very impressed. And so he wins 60 races and. Which was very important to him. His dad hasn't been feeling well over the last year or two and, and I think that's been the, you know, tough for Denny to, to manage. And certainly, you know, when you, when you get to the, get to a certain age, I'm going to tell you, for the majority of us, you don't have to face that hard reality of loss early in life, right. That, you know, your parents, your grandparents, if things go the traditional route, you won't really have to deal with what that feels like and what, what that, what, what, what that emotion feels like until you get into your late 30s and mostly in your 40s or 50s. Right. And so, you know, that's where Denny is in his life and he's Having to deal with losing somebody or the possibility of losing somebody, that, that means the world to him and that is very, maybe single handedly responsible for the life that Denny's been able to have. And it's been a hell of a life. And so, you know, we don't really get to see Denny in a human, be humanized. Denny's got this sort of, you know, he's got this sort of shell of, you know, and he says he's misunderstood and he's, you know, he's, he is who he is.

[TJ]

He doesn't come out of it much.

[Chris]

He's either stoic or cocky, but he's never like emotional and like the way that he was.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. And so, you know, we're seeing this, this human side of Denny and I think that the fans can really appreciate it. I see a ton of comments from fans. Hey, I'm not a Denny fan. I'm not a Denny bro. But feel for the guy and what he's going through and I'm glad to see him be able to get these milestones so that his dad can be a witness to it. His dad can see his son. Check these boxes. After all the sacrifice. Denny talked in in length about the sacrifice that his family made. Mortgaging the house multiple times. The arguments in the, in the kitchen over how much more they could, they could possibly do or be willing to do to further Denny's career. Very transparent, you know, for Denny to, to kind of be that open and share. He's, he's mostly kind of private.

[TJ]

Not many probably knew anything about his dad either, you know, so.

[Dale Jr.]

And there's still no real, there's still no real like hard evidence exactly what his dad may be dealing with. What is, what is, you know, what is the, the physical issues that, that, that are, you know, causing him difficulties. But it's not that important to know the details. We just know that he's not well. Denny's upset about it and we're wishing that Denny can do all the things that he wants to do and allow his dad to be a witness to it. And so pretty awesome. 60 wins. I remember when Denny got to 50 and that was a big deal and now he's at 60. He said that he's going to run. He said that he pretty much has an end date or the end of the Runway in terms of his career. I guess that he's happy to win whatever races there are in that short period of time. But should he, should he still be winning at the end of that off ramp? I find it hard to believe that he's just going to hang it up and stop.

[Chris]

And he said last night on the podcast that those last 10 laps on Sunday, he's always worried about when the light's going to go off. And he's like, those last 10 laps almost like gave him energy. So it almost seems like, okay, he knows the honor, the off ramps in two years, but there's another off ramp that he can, if he wants to skip that one, he can go another year or whatever.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. So that's what I'm thinking. I mean, if, if the guy's still winning races, how do you quit in that final year? I don't think he does.

[TJ]

I don't think you can.

[Dale Jr.]

I think he keeps racing.

[TJ]

Yeah, I don't.

[Dale Jr.]

Because there's other, there's other targets out there. Right. You look up there and my dad's up there, about 16 more wins. And you know, there, if he could, even if he can get even close to sniffing, you know, he'd go company. How, how would, yeah, how would you not want to tie that, that guy? But. Because you could really say, hell, I want as many races as Dale Earnhardt. I mean, not many people can say that. There's only a few above him. Right. And then he's got a real chance. I think if he raced another three.

[TJ]

Or four, three years, he could be, he could be in that, in that vicinity.

[Dale Jr.]

He could be close. Yeah.

[TJ]

Because Gibbs, cars are going to be good. They're going to jgr cars are going to be really good.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. And I, you know, I think we have to speak to the talent that Denny is. They talked about it. Dale Jarrett talked about it on the post race. He's like, man, he's at that age where things just start slowing down. And there's a lot of reasons why guys do slow down, but it's undeniable. If you look at the history of all the drivers, take all of the drivers in the past 30 years, that average age of when the performance and the numbers, the statistics start dropping. The top tens, top fives, the wins is 43. That is the number. Some win beyond that, some succeed beyond that, but not many. Everybody pretty much starts to tail off around that 43 year age. And so Denny's an anomaly and he's in such good mental shape that I believe that he could carry this on and be this successful another three or four years without question. How much further beyond that? I'm not sure. Could he race and win competitively at 50 years old? Possibly. Harry Gant, Bobby Allison, some others did it. So it's, it, I think it's you, it's, it's a, it's something about the sharpness of the, of the mind, the mental sharpness Kenny Wallace is talking about. Is he the, one of the most mentally tough drivers that, that we know in the series? I'd say he's definitely one of those guys that doesn't get too worked up or bothered or distracted. So if you want to call that mentally tough, you can. He just doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that gets off the, off the rails, emotionally, mentally inside the car.

[TJ]

This finishing does, the, staying with JGR for so long and being competitive cars, it's got to be a pretty big part of it too though, right? To help him stay massive advantage. Like stay mentally sharp. Yeah, like, or in that, in that good mental state. Doesn't that keep him in a good mental state, though?

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, one of the reasons why guys start tailing off is they get out of good cars or they get put in bad cars. And I think Denny's earned the right to be in that car as long as he wants. I don't see Joe cutting him early because of performance. If Denny wanted to keep racing even though he wasn't performing, I think they'd, they, they'd hang on to him for a couple more years beyond his abilities. But I don't really see him doing that. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I feel like it's pretty impressive to see what he's done and with the situation that the Penske is now in. So Blaney blows left front tire, crashes out. He's way out. He's got to win at Talladega. He's got to win Martinsville. Martinsville. One of the two, right?

[TJ]

I'd say.

[Chris]

I think he has to win.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, I think he does.

[TJ]

Look at the cars you're racing.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, you're not, you're not going to point your way in against the guys you're racing against these. He's the best eight teams in the.

[Chris]

Series, but couldn't we see a Hendrick car get, get caught up in a wreck on Sunday?

[Dale Jr.]

That's only one of, that's one of this. One of the eight. He's got to beat four.

[Chris]

Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying I think, I don't think he's in a must win.

[Dale Jr.]

He's in a must win.

[Chris]

Okay.

[TJ]

I mean, what, 40 something points? I don't see how he's gonna out point those guys by 40. I mean, yes, a wreck could happen, but it could also happen to him. And he.

[Dale Jr.]

Why do you. He's 30.

[Chris]

He doesn't have to point him by 40.

[Dale Jr.]

He's 31 out. But I just. I think he's got a win. Look, I mean, he could. He could. He could go have a good Talladega and come. Come into Martinsville in the teens. But, I mean, it just. Odds are really against him pointing his way in. I mean, that. I don't know what. I don't know many people that would feel like that. That's. That's realistic. So either way, I mean, who cares? Point your way in when you weigh in, whatever. Lugano is minus 24. Blaney's minus 31. They are both in a bad spot. They both may not get to Phoenix, and everybody feels like that if a Penske car goes to Phoenix, they are the favorite to win. And I would agree with that. Right? Would y' all agree?

[TJ]

How you can agree if a.

[Dale Jr.]

If, If a Penske card does it get to Phoenix is. I mean, this is Denny's year. Am I right? Here it is.

[TJ]

It's.

[Dale Jr.]

Did he up.

[Chris]

Well, it's setting it up for him. Perfect.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Denny was saying after New Hampshire, he's like, bo, we're screwed. You know, the. You know, the Penske cars are so good. New Hampshire, very similar to Phoenix. It's. That was the telltale of. Yep. They still got it. When we get to Phoenix, I expect them to be the. You know, be on top. And if there's not a Penske car in the final four, this thing is blown wide open.

[TJ]

Yeah, it's true.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. And could. And how about this? Denny winning the championship while he's suing.

[Chris]

Nascar, handing him the trophy.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, so let's. Let's move on. Will we ever see another driver get to 60 wins? I think Kyle Larson could do it, maybe. Joey.

[TJ]

What are they sitting.

[Dale Jr.]

Joey needs to run.

[Chris]

Joey's up.

[Dale Jr.]

Joey needs to run better. Joey needs to run back better during the regular season.

[TJ]

Yeah, man. 60 wins. That's from 30. Something's pretty. Pretty tough, man. You're going to have to. I mean, Joey's a grinder. He knows how to get, like, finish some races, but it's like. What is it, once or twice a year? I mean, that's. That's not. You need. Yeah, he needs five. Four or five wins a year to get to 60, in my opinion.

[Dale Jr.]

Joey. Yeah, Joey. Joey might get to.

[TJ]

He might get to 45. 50.

[Dale Jr.]

Are you kidding me? 13 away from 50, he'll get to 50 easy.

[Tyler Redick]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, I think Joey lands around 55 wins in his career. Brad Kislowski is at 36. I don't see Brad getting there. Brad will be lucky to see 40. Kyle Larson, unless something massively changes. It Brad's situation, it just. Their team just doesn't have top speed yet. Kyle Larson at 32 wins. If he wants to race long enough, he could see.

[Chris]

That's where I think he's going to get it, because, you know, remember, he had one year where he got a bulk of his wins, but is he going to.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, but if he races long, I think Kyle Larson doesn't race long enough. I think Kyle Larson.

[TJ]

I do, too. Yeah, you're probably right.

[Dale Jr.]

Goes dirt racing.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Chase Elliot's at 21. I think Chase Elliott will retire before that's possible.

[TJ]

I don't think anyone's doing it.

[Dale Jr.]

No. I think if Chase Elliott wanted to go win 60 races and stick around that long, he'd have a shot at it. But I think he gets out before. I think he's like, all right, y', all, I'm gonna hide in the hills of Georgia. Never see him again.

[TJ]

I just. I can't believe you think Joey is going to get there. I mean, that.

[Dale Jr.]

I said Joey would get 55, dude.

[TJ]

I mean, that's still. To me. How many does he have this year?

[Dale Jr.]

He's 13 from 40.

[TJ]

Yeah, but how many did he get this year?

[Chris]

No, he's 13 from 50.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm sorry. 13 from 50. So he's 13 from 50, TJ and he doesn't give a. About nothing but racing. Joey's the guy that's going to race.

[TJ]

I'm not. I'm not saying Joey. I mean, he. I don't know, man. He's got. He's gonna start focusing on his kids at some point, and, you know, he's got. He's got a lot of that going on. And. And, I mean, I think he could get. He's got us, but, I mean, I just don't see it.

[Dale Jr.]

What do you mean? Focusing on his kids?

[Chris]

He's not focused yet.

[Dale Jr.]

What does that mean, he's not focused?

[TJ]

No, I mean, at some point, he's going to be like, you know what? I've done enough. I mean, he's already proved everything he needs to prove in racing. Already didn'.

[Dale Jr.]

That ain't the point. Do you. You know the kind of guy.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

He's going to race. He's going to race a ridiculously long period of time. Joey will race till he's 45 at least and be. Still be winning one race.

[TJ]

I still think he's going to be very competitive. Yeah, but I mean, it's going to be tough sledding, though. I mean, he's going to get one or two grinding. I mean, it's going to be. I just think it's tough to get there. It's just going to be hard to get there.

[Dale Jr.]

Not easy to get there. No, not easy to do. Not many people do it.

[Chris]

We also. Dale didn't say he was going to get there, for the record.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, I said he's going to get to 55 Arg.

[Chris]

60.

[TJ]

I just think it's gonna be tough.

[Dale Jr.]

TJ's got a chip.

[TJ]

No, I just think it's tough. 60 is going to be tough to get to, man.

[Dale Jr.]

Still. You're still a jilted lover.

[TJ]

No, I'm just saying it's tough to get to, man. Like, I don't. There's not enough wins a year.

[Chris]

Yeah, we agree with you.

[Dale Jr.]

I said you get the 50.

[TJ]

I think you need three to four a year to even get to that number.

[Chris]

So what number does he get to, Chris?

[TJ]

I think 50 is. I think 50 is a strong number. I think Joey can get to 50.

[Dale Jr.]

Okay. So I think he wins five more races than that.

[TJ]

A lot of races.

[Dale Jr.]

What's the big difference? It's Jesus. Could be a season.

[TJ]

I mean, it could be. Yeah. You never know.

[Chris]

He could win on Sunday and then in two weeks.

[TJ]

There's good. Yeah, I mean, you never know with the. With, you know, these teams nowadays, like Byron's.

[Dale Jr.]

It's Byron's at 15. Blame me at 16. Don't know.

[Chris]

I don't think Blaney race is long enough.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't either. Yeah, I just. Yeah, we all, you know, we keep saying that and. And I know what y' all mean, and I feel that too, like the. The like. So let's step back into the 80s, right? It was not. It was absolutely common to see guys race beyond 50.

[TJ]

Yeah. A lot.

[Dale Jr.]

You know, into their. Yeah. Late 40s. No problem.

[TJ]

Yeah, it was normal.

[Dale Jr.]

And that. Yeah. And that number is sort of creep down, creep down. And it really does feel like that these guys are going to keep retiring earlier and earlier. Now we don't really have any hard evidence that that's going to happen. But what is that? Why do we feel like Lars? I mean, I kind of know why we think Larson might go run dirt. Just say, you know, that was great. 20 years of cup awesome. I'm out. You know, But Chase Elliott, Blaney, Byron, why do we feel like that they won't race till they're 45, 50 years old?

[Chris]

I just think the demand of the seasons, how long they are, and it's just like, you get to a point and you're like, I'm good.

[Tyler Redick]

Yeah.

[TJ]

I mean, there's other priorities in life. Like, you see, like what I was saying with Joey, he's going to start, hey, man, I'm going to. I'm going to get my. I'm going to go watch my kids race every weekend or play soccer or football.

[Dale Jr.]

That's expensive.

[TJ]

It is. But that, you know, maybe you're going.

[Dale Jr.]

To have to pay for that.

[TJ]

Maybe they're playing. Maybe they're playing football or soccer or something. You know what I mean?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, sure.

[TJ]

At some point, those are going to. Those moments are going to take over, and when you look back and say, oh, okay, I've won three championships, a Daytona 500, you know, a lot of races. Why do I want to miss that time?

[Dale Jr.]

I believe that for most people, but I just don't see it with.

[TJ]

I know, you're right. I mean, it could be he's kind.

[Dale Jr.]

Of unique, I think, in that way he might justify doing it longer than most. But. Yeah, I mean, you're. You're right. That. That definitely creeps in, and you start wanting to be home more often. Hey, you know, you're missing key moments, and you miss a lot. Right. In the.

[Chris]

If you're.

[Dale Jr.]

If you have kids. Right. Like, Joey's missing tons of moments now. Right. And at some point, he's gonna go, all right, not missing this stuff. Like, I've missed all of these years, and now the kids are older and they're doing, to your point, doing things in school and different. There's different things going on in their lives that he wants to be a witness to.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

So it's. It's. We'll see Byron wrecking Ty Dylan. Wrecking inch, tied Dylan.

[Chris]

Boom.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Tj, You're a spotter, so what the hell? I mean, we rarely see this happen, and. And there's. I guess. Let me ask you this question. They were saying, you know, Ty didn't wave. I didn't never really wave out the window because I didn't. I didn't really expect them to see it, you know, with the way the car and the greenhouse and everything is. Maybe they don't see the.

[TJ]

For sure. Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

What I did.

[TJ]

When you say wave, you mean mirror.

[Dale Jr.]

Out the window, Physically, Physically waving my hand in any place.

[TJ]

All right.

[Dale Jr.]

I typically would not do that because I didn't expect them to see that and I didn't want, I didn't want the chance of them seeing the wave is really low. What I would do every single time is if I come, when I come off of turn two, I weave down the back straightaway really low and I, that's my signal that would get their attention. They'll go, oh, that's interesting. He, he just drove down to the, you know, four lanes down the bottom, you know, down the back straight.

[TJ]

Watch out.

[Dale Jr.]

Must be, must be, watch out. Yeah. So that would been my wave. Outside of that, you did you definitely. If you got cars coming from behind, you definitely want to pin it to the apron. Oh, wouldn't you say?

[TJ]

Absolutely. Well, I mean, lefts on the paint. No, no higher.

[Dale Jr.]

No higher. And he and Dylan was up the track.

[TJ]

Absolutely.

[Dale Jr.]

So as a spotter, you have intimate under knowledge and understanding of what you expect drivers to do and do. We feel like that Ty bears a little more responsibility here than he feels like, you know, from his post race interviews and so forth. You feel like Ty bears a little more responsibility to try to, you know, get, be a little more out of the way, be a little more, be a little more. What's the word I'm looking for?

[TJ]

Predictable.

[Dale Jr.]

Not predictable. Yes, predictable. But be like, let it known.

[TJ]

Like he needs, he needs like he's got. I'm not running lap here. You're running, you're in top three. I'm just going to make sure I'm down out of the way here. I don't want to be in the scene.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Like he could have faded down the back straightaway. That could have been his physical ways. He needed to do something. Deliberate is the name word I was looking for more deliberate.

[TJ]

Yes. He needed to be from the time 100 from the.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, from the time he comes off a turn two. He needs to do something very deliberate to be a signal. And I guess none of that, none of that really happened.

[TJ]

Well, what's your, what's your take apparent? You know, I guess the spotter normally when you, when you're near somebody, you just make eye contact or you're looking in their direction. Is this whole spotter most time when you're pitting, you look at the other guy and you point down means you're coming in, you know. And at that point I think the spotter may have taken it as they were going to give him the bottom because Williams, I think Williams guy Said the, you know, the 10's going to run second or third lane here, when really he meant he was pitting. And I think there was a miscommunication there. But I think Ty, you know, you can't come off the bottom and TV doesn't see this all the time, but there are a lot of near misses when green flag cycles are happening off turn four when you're pitting from the racetrack. There was another one with, with SVG almost, almost clobber McDowell. I don't know if you saw.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, yeah, I saw it. McDowell was like in the third, he.

[TJ]

Was almost in the same lane as Ty. Maybe a tiny, maybe a tiny bit higher.

[Dale Jr.]

Yes, way higher.

[TJ]

It's Ty's responsibility to be down out of the way because sometimes drivers, if they feel something in the middle of three and four into three and they pit, they don't have time to tell a spotter or wave or anything like that. You just got to make yourself out of the way. You gotta, you gotta put yourself, I mean, just not be in the pitcher, you know, and that's on him, in my opinion.

[Dale Jr.]

There's a lot of feelings out on the racetrack, but that's one of them when you're pitting under green flag and it's one of those racetracks kind of like, you know, Vegas where you, you're, you spend a lot of time slowing down on the banking, in the groove and you're like, God dang, every time you're like, you're trying to get to pit road fast, but you're trying to also, like not get run over.

[Chris]

And.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, yeah, it is like, it is very nerve wracking.

[TJ]

Do you remember the time at Loud we got run over by McMurd?

[Dale Jr.]

I was just going to say, yeah, I was just getting ready to bring that up. The only time that I can remember ever being hit from behind coming to pit road was we were pitting under green at New Hampshire. And you used to run the apron like you drive across the apron off of turn four. We were all over that damn racetrack. And I guess, you know, I didn't do enough. I wasn't deliberate enough to, to Jamie to let him know what was going on. And he tore the right recorder panel off the car and he destroyed both our cars.

[TJ]

He more than tore the right rear off. He squared you up. Like, I don't. Yeah, but that's the thing. Like, I, I remember that incident. I remember somebody next to me looking over at me and saying, you did nothing wrong there because I was waving.

[Dale Jr.]

Dude, we're all Navy.

[TJ]

Yeah. And I was waving like crazy like and but I still, you know, just happens.

[Dale Jr.]

It happens, it happens. It rarely happens. But I think Ty Dillon could look back at it and go man, what could I have done to be more deliberate? And. And I'll say this too on, on by on Byron's side of things. I didn't see Byron do anything wrong. The one thing that I did I was surprised by was how I.

[TJ]

I.

[Dale Jr.]

Was just surprised at how. I don't know how to say this. Did you think Byron saw it late? Like it surprised out of him?

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Like I don't know some while when it, when I'm watching the replays I'm like damn. He really didn't see that till the very last second.

[TJ]

Yeah yeah. You could see him closing. So another thing in Ty's defense you got a guy.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, you got a guy in front of you and you're, you're, you're, you're racing but you're also. You're seeing that car.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

And so Ty's pretty far up there and he starts, you know, just desale start slowing down.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

And William really doesn't react to it at all until obviously way too was way too late.

[TJ]

Yeah. I think the one thing in Ty's defense what I was going to say is the five was. Had just passed Tyler in one and two and the five entered. Larson was running this line where you enter up in three a little bit like a lane and a half up and then you turn down right when.

[Dale Jr.]

I think he drove across.

[TJ]

He did. He drove down to the bottom and it took the air off Ty's nose and that's what put tie up the racetrack a little bit. Not saying it makes it right or wrong, but it does it.

[Dale Jr.]

It is something about this car we don't love.

[TJ]

And that did. I think that's why Ty got up the racetrack a little bit because he might not expect the five to come down right there. He probably didn't honestly. And yeah took some marathon.

[Dale Jr.]

There's not a race. There's not a race in the next genera where we don't see somebody drive across the nose of another next gen car. And that next gen car. Denny was the Denny would. It was Denny this weekend. Remember he drove he somebody. I think it was Larson drove across his nose into one and then he shot up the track into the side of Bale. Almost took bail out. Pisses me off. We don't. It's not a race that doesn't. There's not A race where I don't see that and grind my damn teeth.

[TJ]

I just wish you'd get loose when you did that cuz then you wouldn't do that. If it had like if you cut down in front of another car and it was like whoa. Kick sideways on you. Oh, that would be awesome.

[Dale Jr.]

I just wish the lead car got loose.

[TJ]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like get that guy.

[Dale Jr.]

We used to have. We used to have that.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean that. That's just an unfortunate situation. We could sit here and tell you Ty Dillon could have done this, could have done that, but it didn't need to happen. But sometimes those kind of things do.

[TJ]

And same thing for William. William could have ran a second lane, you know, with dirty air and a slower up there as. As well, so.

[Chris]

And it cost most likely Larson a win.

[TJ]

Maybe. You never know though. Yeah. I mean.

[Chris]

No, but no. Yeah. Cuz another college could have come out but Larson was the dominant.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Driver at that point. Yeah.

[TJ]

That car looked good too, by the way.

[Chris]

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[TJ]

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[Chris]

That's great. But like how's it, Iowa, Richmond, some of these other tracks. Because it's great when you're at home, but like when I'm on the road, my phone is crap.

[TJ]

You know, I travel a lot with the RFK16 and I have had nothing but success with this phone. I've actually, it has bailed me out numerous times now. I was able to flip the hot spot on and use some Internet on it. Text, calls, everything. Man, I'm, I'm. I could not be happier with this phone.

[Chris]

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[Dale Jr.]

There's an opportunity for Denny to be a good teammate. You know, Denny can be calculative on what he wants to do, who he wants to help, who he doesn't want to help.

[Chris]

Right.

[Dale Jr.]

I think that's pretty neat spot to be in if you're Denny Hamlin. I don't know.

[TJ]

He needs 61 now, man.

[Dale Jr.]

But yeah, but I'm, there's that comment. He just, he can just go in there and kind of, you know, does he help Briscoe? Does he, does he want to help, you know, C Bell? You know, he's got opportunities to kind of be a good teammate or, and just kind of hang out. Other team, other drivers in, in the, in the final are still kind of racing to get in, right? You have, you have Byron, you got, I mean we know kind of blaming those guys, what, what they have to do, but you got, you know, Byron at minus 15, Larson's at plus 35. He's a pretty good, pretty good, he's in a pretty good situation. He just doesn't need to crash out. But Byron and Chase Elliott, minus 15, minus 23. You know, what's, what's the, what's, what's going to be the protocol with teammates? Because we know in the past there's been a lot of manufacturer Orders, there's been a lot of, you know, teammate orders. We've seen that fade away a little bit. It was. It's not quite as big of a part of super speedway racing as it used to be now. Now it's more about, you know, fuel mileage and so forth, but kind of what's the. What's the attitude if you're a teammate to another driver in the chase going into this race?

[TJ]

I mean, I, I think this is a whole different. This is a scenario that we really haven't seen in a while as far as heavy hitters needing to. Needing to make up some ground like Joey and, and, and, And Blaney here. Normally, they're in the plus at this point or, you know, have been in the plus, and they're in a good spot. Now you got two A's that need to be. That need to win this race, and now that changes. To me, it changes the whole thing. You know, how, like, how these guys now have to race each other.

[Chris]

You've got five championships below the cut line right now.

[TJ]

Yeah, that's. It's a whole different scenario, in my opinion. Yeah, I'm interested how they work with each other now.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, if I was the, If I was the driver of any of those cars, I would just tell. I would just tell everybody, like, I'm, you know, I'm going to try to do what I can to be a good teammate when that's possible, but I can't. I'm not going to do anything that I think is detrimental to me, even losing one position. So I'll race and be, Be a good teammate, but I will not do a thing that's going to cost me a spot. I always want to be moving forward and trying to be at the front of the field leading every lap. And so there'll be things that I do out on the racetrack that you'll be like, damn it, that wasn't good. That wasn't a good teammate move. But it's something I had to do for myself that I felt like was put me in the position to try to win this race.

[Chris]

I'll be curious to see how long Blaney and Logano work together early on the play work. And then. At what point does. What point do you go, all right, we're not teammates.

[TJ]

Yeah, well, you got to beat this guy. They're racing each other for the last.

[Chris]

That's what I'm saying. Like, at what point does that drop off? Like, is it 10 to go?

[TJ]

Like, I don't know, man.

[Dale Jr.]

No, no, no, no. It drops coming off of turf.

[TJ]

I don't know.

[Dale Jr.]

No, no, not earlier. Listen, if Blaney and Joey are running first and second with 20 to go, it don't matter who's.

[TJ]

I agree.

[Dale Jr.]

They're not. They're not going to shuffle one or the other out early. They're going to need that teammate to be able to stay in those positions all the way to the finish. They're going to try to work together for the benefit of both of them all the way to the finish. And then I think, you know, coming to the white, that's when it gets a little blurry, and you may see a teammate with a run he has to take, and he's going to have to, you know, he's going to make that choice. He's going to do that thing that's, you know, he's going to do that thing for himself in that moment. It may come with two to go, but I'd say, you know, you take a risk, lose. The one thing that you don't want to do is go back to. If we're talking about Penske, for example, you don't want to go back to Roger Penske and have to look him in the face and say, the move I made cost us both a win. Whatever move you make, it better be the one that wins you the race. If you're going to take a win from your teammate, you better be able to know for sure that that move is the one that will win you the race. So that, you know, you do, you can't cost both of you the race.

[TJ]

So let me ask you this. If you're, you know, if you're Ryan and Joey, you're running top three to five, the first stage, do you take stage points? You know what I mean? Like, are you stage pointing this thing in the beginning, or are you setting yourself up for the win? Because to me, I mean, I'm just racing like hell, but, I mean, I know that, but, like, you're going to have to pick one side or the other, because at some point.

[Dale Jr.]

No, you don't. You can race for stage points and the win.

[TJ]

I mean, I guess, why not?

[Dale Jr.]

What the. It's race. Go race. I mean, I feel like at this point, you just got to go out there and put it all. There's you. I don't know how you can. I mean, the only thing that TJ the only thing that I think could actually truly affect that is their fuel mileage. What are their. What's their objective? Right to be in the best position late in the race to assure themselves the track position. And if they have to say, look, you know, I got to do this thing that's going to cost us track position now and likely stage points, but it's going to benefit us later, then I see them doing that, but I'm thinking of it from just purely the driver standpoint. My mentality would be go to the front, be at the front, take the lead. Lead, lead, Lead.

[TJ]

Yeah, for sure. And I think they will. I think they'll have a good shot at doing that. I think they'll be in control of some of that. But at some point, what I was saying is the decision is going to have to be made. Yeah, we take first and second in this stage or we sacrifice a little bit here.

[Chris]

You can do both, though, like Kyle Larson in the earlier this year, first in stage one, second Stage two, second for the race. So, like, you're right. Like, you can, you can have your cake too.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, you can't.

[TJ]

And it's.

[Dale Jr.]

It just depends.

[TJ]

So hard at Talladega, though, because of the wrecks and stuff. I mean, you know how hard it is. We're talking about them being the guarantee of the race. That's a hard point to get to.

[Dale Jr.]

Tj. The wrecks are the wrecks.

[TJ]

They are.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, you, when you. Well, I mean, when you go to Talladega or Daytona, you can't strategize for crashes.

[TJ]

No, you can't. I agree with that.

[Dale Jr.]

You just race. You just gotta race.

[TJ]

I agree with you 100%. I go and race.

[Dale Jr.]

Drop.

[TJ]

If you race hard every lap and see where you end up and the.

[Dale Jr.]

Play qualified front, I feel like your chances of crashing in Talladega are 80%. Right. Let's just roughly say that's. Russell, you got it. You got an 80% chance of crashing. All right, now that might drop down to like 70 if you race hard all day. If you, if you're in protect mode and defense mode and just, you know, if you're in like conservative mode, you might actually raise that percentage. And I just feel like that if you're racing hard all the time, then there's a better chance of you being in front of the crash when it happens. At least that's what my experience was. And anytime I tried to be conservative or chill or lay back or settle in any point in the race, I'm like, I'm actually in the danger zone right here. This ain't good at all. You know, I'm actually, I'm actually going to Drive into the wreck when it starts to happen, you know, so it, it's. I think it's. It's a good practice to be of the mindset that I want to lead every lap. It's not realistic that you're leading every lap, but if you're in the mindset of I'm going to be doing everything I can all the time to try to be in the lead, then I think that you're putting yourself in a better. In a safer spot.

[TJ]

You are. I think when you get two, three rows back, you're near stuck right there. You're just kind of like, you just, you know, it could get you.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, it happens. It's right where you're at, you know.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, we'll see how it goes. The other thing I wanted to talk about real quick is I've been seeing some comments on social media around whatever happens with the points system next year and other changes. Right. And I just wanted to say this out loud because surprises me that, that this is, this is the conversation going on. But. So Mike Ford was on BBC. Mike was, Was great, had a lot of comments, but he stirred up some conversations amongst fans online as well as, as we all have. We've all kind of been stirring up conversation online around the points or whatever changes maybe come with the car, the horsepower, this and that and the other.

[Chris]

Right.

[Dale Jr.]

So there's. There's a lot of emotion around the changes that may be coming for next year. And, and we're, we're all. We've been moving through various stages of emotion through this, you know, this process. Excitement, debate, anticipation, apprehensive feelings around it. And now we're sort of in this emotion, at least. I see a lot of fans going, well, what if they make these changes and nothing happens? What if they make these changes and the sport doesn't rebound immediately? And so I'm surprised that people think that that's really a possibility. I'm surprised that people think that there is any kind of a change that can be made that will rebound the sport instantly. And I think. I just, I don't. I didn't need. I didn't know I needed to say this, but I feel like I need to say it. There is nothing. It's unlikely that there's anything that changes next year that delivers results. And if, if they, and if results don't immediately come, that doesn't mean that it didn't work. NASCAR's peak was a process of 40 years, 50 years of development, change of evolution, and they must have done A lot of things right. Was everything right? I don't know. Probably not. It's probably unlikely, but they did a lot of good things to get us to a peak. Now we've made some decisions, choices, changes that apparently have not worked. We're going the wrong way. And whatever change they make to try to correct course will be a process to, to turn this thing around, if you want to call it that. You're not going to see those results out of the gate. You won't see them next year, you won't see them the year after that. If you're trying to get this sport back to where it was in its peak or anywhere close, that's going to take your ass a decade or two. All right, so buckle up. Do I believe going to a 36 race format is better? Absolutely. Is it going to really change anything in terms of viewership or, or is it going to be like an, is it going to be an odd. If they did change it to 36 or whatever they go to, if it's a four race, six race final round, some middle ground, which I would appreciate as well. Whatever they change it to next year, the numbers, the viewership, if anything, it'll be just a bump better, it'll be a, you know, 5, 10% better. This, this, this getting back to like where we want to go is a way out there sort of proposition. It's a, it's a long game, long way. You don't build something that big and that great in a 12 month period. It, we have, we, you know, whatever, whatever you want to point to, whatever you want to look at in the last 10 or 15 years. There's multiple things I guess you could point out to the decline of our viewership and all of those things. Right. The popularity of the sport. But all of that stuff can, you can destroy this thing quickly, but to build it back is going to take a long period of time. And so whatever you believe, whatever you like in terms of the points format or whatever you, you know, whatever you want to say, I think staying the same, it's going to produce the same results. If we don't change it, if we don't go away from what we're doing today, we're going to continue on this route that we're on that none of us like. So whatever changes come, you, but you, you have to buckle in and own it for a while because it's not going to start to produce results immediately. It's going to take a while to build it back. You gotta, you gotta Kind of, it's kind of like you gotta, you know, start from scratch, if you will, in terms of building back the reputation and, and popularity of the sport. But some people are literally out there saying, you know, they're gonna change all this and it's not going to do anything next year. And then everybody's gonna think it was a mistake or it was a flop or it, or, you know, they're changing things. That's not going to make a difference. And I don't, I don't agree with that entirely.

[TJ]

Yeah, I mean, I do think you're right. You gotta, it's gonna take time to build and get and head back in that right direction a little bit at a time. That's how it got there in the first place. Like you said, it didn't, it didn't just happen overnight. It was years and years and years of it building to that. And I mean, that's just going to have to do that again.

[Dale Jr.]

I agree with that.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, it's interesting, you know, kind of seeing people's takes on social media and online. You know, I know that they say the drivers will tell you the horsepower. Is it going to be a, you know, a light switch? And they're right. They're right. Going up on horsepower to 750 is not going to, we're not going to see it when we watch. We're not going to go, oh, there it is.

[TJ]

You know, but do you think it'll do in a place like Martinsville? You know, what's it going to do to the race there?

[Dale Jr.]

I. It may, it may create a little more drivability, you know, some challenges for drivers on the end of the run. It's going to be minimal, but it'll all be good.

[TJ]

I agree. That's.

[Dale Jr.]

It'll, it'll, it'll do some minimal things to, to that the drivers are wanting. It will not do anything bad. But what we need to realize is, okay, yes, we are not getting all of the horsepower we want, but we are moving the ship in that direction. Right. This is a massive, heavy, slow ass boat and we're finally seeing it leave the dock and go in the direction we want it to go. So be excited about that because if it's 750 today, it could be 900 tomorrow. Right. It might take us another three years to get there, but we may see ourselves finally get back to building these, you know, 900 horsepower engines that everybody seems to think is going to be the way to go.

[TJ]

The door is open for change is ba.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

To. To keep working on the product like the door is open.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[TJ]

To keep fine tuning this car to try to give it the best product we can.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, I agree. I'm. I'm. I'm positive. I'm positive. Happy about, you know, seeing some of these. Even the subtle changes, for sure. Like. Like, you know, the horsepower's gonna be a more subtle change than. Than I think we were hoped for, but it's still the move in the right direction.

[Chris]

And.

[Dale Jr.]

And this is a. Again, the boat is heavy and slow, and it ain't all NASCAR at the steering wheel, all right? It's its owners and all of that stuff. The rta, everybody has some influence, and there's a lot of conversations around, you know, all the changes that happen. They all have to agree, and everybody has to get on the same page. So that's why it takes forever for something to happen here. But anyways, I think, you know, that's. That's. I think we've covered everything. The Earnhardt family has always relied on Bass Pro Shops for our outdoor adventures. And that tradition continues with me today. I've been shopping there all my life. I love sharing those experiences with my own family. It's great to. To get to the Bass Pro shops and just walk around. Huge place. Got everything you need? And we're very thankful to Johnny Morris and everything they do for us at DirtyMome Media, helping Wyatt with his racing career, sponsoring our Xfinity cars at Junior Motorsports. They believe in all of the things that we're doing, and they want to be a part of it because we're all friends and family, and we're thankful to have them behind us. Go check out everything they have to offer to local Bass Pro shops near you, or you can shop online@bass pro.com all right, it's time for you to send us your picks and videos for our ultimate racing collector, presented by Lionel. We know that y' all love your Lionel Diecast. We love ours. But it doesn't have to be just Diecast. Whatever your collection is, send us pictures, videos. Videos are better. I'm challenging everyone. Last month, our winner had a really awesome basement. And if you could post all of this stuff on Twitter and Facebook, you just respond to our post. We'll be posting on Twitter and Facebook from Dirty Mo Media about the ultimate racing collector, presented by Lionel. Respond to those with your videos, your pictures, and even if you've submitted before, submit again. You've always got.

[Chris]

We've had people that lose, and then a couple months later, they win.

[Dale Jr.]

So we really have. Yeah, we really have. I'm telling you, send videos. Those are the ones.

[Chris]

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[Dale Jr.]

Videos are way better. Yeah, they do. All right, good luck.

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[Dale Jr.]

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[Tyler Redick]

Yeah, this first one is from Doug, who was the first driver and track you raced on it in NASCAR 25.

[Chris]

What if you've played NASCAR 25, who is like the first driver and track you went to or who will be if you haven't yet got to it?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, I haven't done it yet. I, I don't know. I, I'm gonna go into the career mode. So I guess it'll be driving my little ARCA car at Rockingham trying to get into the top.

[Chris]

I thought you might take the number 40 junior motorsports.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, probably. If I was going to race online, that's definitely the car I'd be in.

[Tyler Redick]

I was Justin Allgaier at Chicago. That.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, that was pretty fun. How's everybody's experience been?

[Tyler Redick]

I, I am tearing it up in ARCA Right now? Yeah, It's.

[Dale Jr.]

It's.

[Tyler Redick]

I will genuinely say it is a very fun game. I did tj. I did have to fire you.

[TJ]

You did? Oh, yeah. How about I had to fire you? Yeah. So I was gonna talk about it at some point, I thought, but I get, like, grilled by this guy from Australia or something. Just see that guy that was live streaming, and he's driving from the bonnet, he says, which is the hood, I guess. And he's. He's hitting the wall every time he exits the corner of Bristol, and people are, like, passing him, and AI Me is telling him, cars there, and he's like, pit guy, be quiet. And, like, I mean, how about driver, stop hitting the wall? First of all, like, it was every corner.

[Tyler Redick]

See, it's this type of attitude is why I had to let you go off of my team.

[TJ]

Yeah. Oh, you're one of them guys. You hit the wall, too.

[Chris]

Every time.

[TJ]

Okay.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm.

[Chris]

I'm a work in progress. I'm not good right now.

[TJ]

What? A work in progress.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, we're. We're.

[Chris]

We're, you know, working on it, trying to get better, but it's fun. That's. That's how I am. Like, I'm not someone that does the eye racing, and I. I'm enjoying NASCAR 25, the music also. Dale, well done.

[Dale Jr.]

Hey.

[Chris]

I mean, I'm. I'm thoroughly impressed with, like, it's not just one genre, and it's just how it flows. It works.

[Dale Jr.]

Nice, man. I love hearing it.

[Tyler Redick]

I like the. It's. It's. It's always fun, too.

[Dale Jr.]

Like, Jeff. Yeah, go, Jeff. Gluck gave me some props on the music.

[Tyler Redick]

Oh, that's big. That's big. If he's giving you props, he's a good.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Yeah. I had. I influenced about 80% of the music.

[Tyler Redick]

Oh, dang. Whose idea was the time bomb? Whiskey Myers. That's the best song, I think, on there.

[Dale Jr.]

Nascar.

[Tyler Redick]

Okay.

[Dale Jr.]

That. NASCAR insist. NASCAR insisted. That was not. That was not all.

[TJ]

Well done, nascar.

[Dale Jr.]

Hey. Insisted that be on there.

[Tyler Redick]

Hey, it's a great song. Got me fired up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wrecked somebody after that. It was.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, it was pretty good.

[Tyler Redick]

But it looks like the YouTube chat is enjoying NASCAR 25 as well. We want to know what's your first. What's the first track and driver that you are going to be racing on? And we'll share some of the answers. But this next question is from Charles. What is your favorite piece of sheet.

[Dale Jr.]

Metal that you own? I'd say it's probably that door next to tj. That white door from the baseball car. Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler Redick]

The 2001 July Daytona car. Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. I have some sheet metal that I've been thinking about bringing over to the junior motorsport shop to sell. Oh, yeah. I've been worried about the reaction. Would people be upset that I was selling my sheet metal? I probably wouldn't sell anything that. That belonged to me that I raced. But I have a bunch of sheet metal from other cars, other teams and not new stuff. Like I got a. I got an old Folger side Kenny Schrader. I've got an old Rob Moroso bush red number 25 door. And so I've got a lot of that stuff that. Yeah. I don't know. I just. What. I want someone else to have it. I don't know if it's it. I don't. I don't showcase it. I don't have it sitting out and my. I don't want my girls to have to mess with it down the road. So thinking about bringing a piece in every now and then to set in the shop for. For sale and seeing what happens.

[Chris]

What's one that. A piece of sheet metal that you don't own that you're like, man, I'd love to have.

[Dale Jr.]

All the. I mean, the stuff that I love is going to be something of dads or something of mine that has that. That you have that you know is from a specific race. Right. So all the. I guess if there's any wrangler sheet metal out there, that'd be pretty rare. I've seen some pieces that are out there and so that kind of stuff's pretty neat. If. I know. Like Matt Yocum has a. A door from David Pearson. One of David Pearson's cars from the 70s. Like a Richard Petty door from a Charger. Holy crap. You know, stuff like that. Just none of that stuff exists anymore. But it. There's one or two of those out there, right? Yeah, that race used.

[Tyler Redick]

That'd be pretty cool.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Tyler Redick]

I'm seeing a YouTube comment and I know you're at the. Your. Your beach house and so they want a Titanic update. How is it coming along?

[TJ]

Oh, it's the same.

[Tyler Redick]

You didn't touched it.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tyler Redick]

Wait, give it some love, man. He's gonna go get it. All right. And now there's an empty seat. It's.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, there it is.

[Chris]

It's kind of like how the Titanic ended.

[TJ]

No, it's. The only thing that's different is went from over by the printer to that shelf. The only difference. That's the only difference.

[Tyler Redick]

Yeah. The final resting place is.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Chris]

When's the last time you put a piece of Lego on the Titanic?

[Tyler Redick]

One piece, man.

[Dale Jr.]

I worked on it last time I was here. It's onethird of the way done.

[Chris]

So it's two, three, not done.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, Very good math.

[TJ]

Jeez. Oh, man. Andrew, you know, there's still water.

[Dale Jr.]

I only. Listen, it stays. Guys. It stays here, and I'm not hardly ever here, and so it doesn't get worked on because I'm not here. It's not like I'm at home.

[Chris]

Can you. All right, so can you at least put one brick, one LEGO piece on in the. This while you're here this week?

[Dale Jr.]

Recently. I recently finished the Jaws Lego set. I recently finished the Jaws LEGO set. And I'm starting the DeLorean.

[Tyler Redick]

Next question is from Danny. And again, this is a grab bag, so just buckle up. Beans or no beans in your chili?

[Dale Jr.]

I don't care either way. I'm not a very particular.

[Tyler Redick]

Food guy.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, with chili, it's kind of like, hey, man, make it however you want to make it.

[Chris]

I mean, I. I'll eat it if it's in there, but I prefer it. No beans.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Really?

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

I don't. I don't see what it differs. It really makes.

[Chris]

No. Yeah, I think it's a texture thing.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. What do you want your chili if the beans are just.

[Chris]

No beans.

[Dale Jr.]

So. But what else is in your chili?

[TJ]

Hamburger meat with sauce, Some peppers.

[Dale Jr.]

Sounds.

[TJ]

Peppers.

[Chris]

Cornbread. Cornbread on top?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Dip. Throw it in there.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, now. All right.

[Chris]

Some jalapenos.

[TJ]

No, you're getting off. Your chili's weird.

[Tyler Redick]

Tj, what do you do?

[Chris]

Yeah. What's in yours?

[TJ]

I think. I mean, I would say hamburger meat, some beans, probably. I mean, onion, maybe some real small onion pieces, but I don't know about peppers and all that.

[Tyler Redick]

Are you.

[Dale Jr.]

Do you. Do you have a.

[Tyler Redick]

Are you good at making chili?

[TJ]

Probably not great at it. Am I like.

[Tyler Redick]

Are you a good cook in general?

[TJ]

Yeah. Yeah, probably.

[Tyler Redick]

Yeah, probably.

[Chris]

Probably.

[TJ]

I am, I think.

[Tyler Redick]

What does that mean?

[TJ]

I think I can cook fine. Yeah, I am a good cook, I think. Oh, are you?

[Tyler Redick]

I. No. No.

[TJ]

What?

[Dale Jr.]

I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Only time I'm coming to TJ's house to eat, so when we're ordering out.

[TJ]

Oh, please.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm not.

[Tyler Redick]

Wow.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm not eating your. I'm not eating your.

[Tyler Redick]

Wait, why?

[Dale Jr.]

Maybe. Unless. I mean.

[TJ]

Steak's down there. Fine.

[Dale Jr.]

Grilling a steak is not cooking.

[TJ]

Oh, yes, it is.

[Dale Jr.]

No, it ain't. Putting meat on a grill, that's not very difficult.

[TJ]

Oh, so all them times you put that stuff in the smoker, I'm saying that's just nothing, man.

[Chris]

That's not cooking, though.

[Dale Jr.]

That's not cooking. I still think making chili on a stove is cooking.

[TJ]

I still think preparing a good steak and. Or, like, when you would put them briskets on, like, that's cooking still. You gotta. There's an art to it.

[Dale Jr.]

No, it doesn't really.

[Tyler Redick]

I think I'm. I'm on your side here.

[TJ]

Yeah, it's not.

[Tyler Redick]

You're preparing food.

[TJ]

Yeah. Making food. You're cooking it.

[Dale Jr.]

All right. You're being. Yeah. All right, fine. I think there's a lot of people that probably see it Travis's way.

[TJ]

I doubt it.

[Chris]

You're grilling, you're barbecuing. You're not cooking.

[Tyler Redick]

What do you think?

[Dale Jr.]

It's literally cooking.

[Tyler Redick]

Yeah. James said it's literally cooking.

[Chris]

So I'm with Dale on this.

[TJ]

Putting a bunch of stuff in a pot, turning the flame.

[Dale Jr.]

Grilling.

[TJ]

Cooking.

[Dale Jr.]

Grilling a steak is. Is. You know, there are people that can make great steaks and people that aren't good at it. I get that. But I'm just saying, like, that's. If I'm coming over to your house and you're making steaks, that's. That's probably safe. But if you're making something on a stove with multiple ingredients, I'm going to be very apprehensive about what this is going to taste like.

[Tyler Redick]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Like, if you. If you make hamburgers and hot dogs on the grill, you don't say, I cooked hamburgers and hot dogs.

[TJ]

No, that's pretty easy. I take.

[Chris]

But that's.

[TJ]

What I'm saying is, I mean, I take steak seriously. So.

[Tyler Redick]

Not serious enough for Dale. He's still.

[TJ]

Apparently not. I mean, damn. You know that brisket you made, like 10 years ago? It sucked, dude.

[Tyler Redick]

I don't. Yeah, I haven't trusted you since.

[TJ]

Yeah, I have not trusted you since you burnt that one.

[Tyler Redick]

I saw a question on Facebook. It's actually for tj and they wanted to know. It's from Norma. Do spotters have assigned spots when they go up to the spotter stand, or is it first come, first serve?

[TJ]

No, it's usually you just go back to the same spot you've been going to. Like, we go to all these tracks. I think I'm in my 21st year spotting, and I've pretty Much been in the same spot at these tracks. You just go to them, and then, you know, if there's a team or a spotter change on a car and there's a new guy, he kind of fills into where the gap would be, and it's. I mean, it's kind of a seniority thing probably, but also, like, where. Where you've been for the last handful of years, you just kind of. You're used to it anyway. You don't want to change as a spotter because you're used to your sight lines, and you're used to the depth perceptions, and you get really comfortable with where you're at, so you don't really want to move.

[Tyler Redick]

Are you talking about, like, where you've been in terms of, like, every weekend you're standing next to the same guys, or is it, like, track by track?

[TJ]

It's definitely track by track.

[Tyler Redick]

Interesting.

[Chris]

So you don't stick with, like, the RFK guys or the Fords sometimes, Yeah.

[TJ]

I mean, plate races and places like that.

[Dale Jr.]

We're all.

[TJ]

Talladega built a new spotter stand a handful of years ago, and from that time, since it was becoming such a, you know, a deal where we all stuck together, we. It's kind of. You got the. All the Fords are towards turns three and four, and then you got a lot of Toyotas in the middle. Then on the very right side, there's all the Chevys and stuff, so you kind of know you're kind of in that ballpark.

[Tyler Redick]

Well, I'm glad it was a good day, and I think that'll be a good place to wrap Ash Jr. This week.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, everybody, I appreciate y' all tuning in, plugging in today. Thank you, Xfinity, for everything you do here at Dale junior Download, bringing the Ash junior Segment to us every single week. Thank you to Xfinity for everything they've done for the. The series that we've been a part of for a long time. And, yeah, that's it. We'll appreciate it.

[Chris]

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[Dale Jr.]

Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Place your bets. All right, it's time for Dirty Modo, and we are here again with Tampa Tim's who took a vacation last week. Tampa Tim's. How's it going?

[TJ]

Hey, guys.

[Dale Jr.]

How's it going?

[TJ]

Welcome back to me. Pretty good.

[Dale Jr.]

How was your vacation?

[Chris]

It was phenomenal.

[Dale Jr.]

It was great. That's right. All right. Making some progress in the. In your. Your relationship with this? Yeah. Yes, I think so.

[TJ]

Where'd you go?

[Dale Jr.]

I was in the Poconos. Oh, Amy's. Amy's gonna want to know about this. On. All right.

[TJ]

We can talk about it.

[Dale Jr.]

You went to the Poconos, huh?

[TJ]

Yes. Kind of where she's from.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, really?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, well, that explains a lot. All right, so Russell is here as well. Thank you, Russell, for coming in. This segment of Dirty Moto is brought to you by FanDuel. I'm a customer. Do you guys have FanDuel accounts? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right, everybody here was live betting last night. Last week. Yeah. I've been losing my ass.

[Chris]

I saved you. I saved you on Saturday.

[Dale Jr.]

I bet you, though, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get to where I needed to be in time. I was traveling all day yesterday to Texas and back, and I didn't get on the ground in time to make some bets on Monday Night Football. And I had prepared on the plane some bets to make, and when I got on the ground, I'd missed the chance to do it, and I bet those would have cashed. But that's been my luck here lately. This is. It's also been my luck with the. With the parlay, the manufacturer parlay. We had Blaney, Larson, Bell, and only Larson was the one that could pull it out. Blaney crashed out and. And Bale just wasn't the best Toyota. The Denny Bros. Brought home the victory as the best Toyota. So let's. Should we move on? Did you guys have. Did any of y' all feel like you got the parlay right? We all kind of went with this, right?

[Chris]

I abstained from one of them, but yeah, we agreed the others.

[Dale Jr.]

All right, well, going into this weekend, I mean, it's Talladega, and there are some bets that are fun, so we'll get to that in a minute. But the favorites for. For Talladega are Byron Blaney, Logano Cindric. They're all at plus 1000. Elliott at 1100. Larson at 1200. Larson, 1200. Man, that's pretty impressive. Having a distaste for. For plate racing, you know, how do you handicap this race where pretty much anything can happen and, and the chance of, you know, not so much a fluke, but an unusual winner is very possible and real. At Talladega, there's been 10 different winners in the last 10 races there, so I think it's hard to pick a winner. But I definitely think that like, like, guys are good there. Like, we definitely have. Like, those guys you mentioned are all really good there. That's why they're, they're so. So high on.

[Chris]

On the, the draftkings.

[Dale Jr.]

So. But then there's other people that I would just totally avoid, you know, like, like Denny. I'd stay away from him this week. Yeah, there's.

[TJ]

Yeah, I think that's.

[Dale Jr.]

Aren't good at it, so. Well, you know, I, I don't. I don't even begin to know where to. To. I don't even want to do a damn manufacturer parlay.

[TJ]

Yeah, this is hard here.

[Chris]

Like, I think this is the week that we don't.

[Dale Jr.]

Then, yeah, let's not do it. I mean, what. So there are some fun bets to make, and I know Tim's has kind of been been dancing and messing around in this kind of pool for a while. So Tim's. What are some of the fun things that you might do when Daytona or Talladega rolls around? I like the.

[TJ]

If you can find a matchup bet.

[Dale Jr.]

That'S plus money towards a driver, I.

[TJ]

Just take it like, for example, chase.

[Dale Jr.]

Briscoe's plus 125 over Logano at minus 170. Yep, it's.

[TJ]

It's a 50.

[Dale Jr.]

50 race. Take it. It's. And then you're facing one driver. That's it. Instead of the whole field. It's also a race where you can.

[TJ]

Find some value on guys like Briscoe who's I think he's like 20 plus.

[Dale Jr.]

2200 that you're never going to get on another week. He needs. He wins, he makes the final four.

[TJ]

He's probably going to be aggressive. That's a guy probably back. And then probably later in the week they'll have some, some long shot top tens like a Cody Ware. I love, I love placing that because he's just going to stick around to the end. He's not going to really be up front. Yeah, he actually has a pretty good average finish at a plate race, doesn't he?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, he does.

[TJ]

Russ probably knows it's probably right around 10th, 10th to 12th, right.

[Chris]

Standby.

[Dale Jr.]

So he's 24th.

[Chris]

24Th.

[TJ]

Is that just Talladega or overall? No, that's drafting tracks.

[Dale Jr.]

Talladega, he's 27th.

[TJ]

Gotcha.

[Dale Jr.]

Okay. That sucks.

[TJ]

But yeah, the big wreck happens. The big wreck happens. I mean, there he is.

[Chris]

That's.

[TJ]

Yeah, that's what you're betting on. You're betting on a wreck and he survives it.

[Chris]

Russ, do you have anything on Rex or any like, any stats that you have this for this week?

[TJ]

Oh, he's got, he's got stats on that.

[Dale Jr.]

I'm staying away from the one that I really like, which is accident avoidance. But we say there's like a 52 chance in this next generation era of getting in a wreck at Daytona or Talladega. And then like this race last year was 80%. Like, see 80, 80 is the number.

[Chris]

I think that. Dale, you called that earlier.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, I think that number is always 80.

[TJ]

What positions, Russ? I mean, I know you probably know, like, isn't it like position like.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, it's like two rows, like, like it all happened in that second row. Yeah. Yep.

[TJ]

Do you want to avoid them positions?

[Dale Jr.]

I think we've looked at it in, in inside row four is the best at avoiding it because it's hard. That's crazy there. And that guy can get around before everybody gets gets caught up.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

So he turns the guy and that's.

[Chris]

What, that's the thing is you want to be the guy that causes the wreck and you're probably able to avoid the rack.

[TJ]

That's usually how it works. That's why I like a guy going.

[Dale Jr.]

Against Joey because I feel like Joey's always in those rows.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[TJ]

I mean it could, it's a. It could go either way. It could go any which direction. Yeah, it's a plate race.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. Well, we got a couple featured matchups. You mentioned Brisco Logano, if Briscoe's plus money, you take Briscoe, Blaney, Chase Elliott, kind of a toss up, but I'd go with Blaney, especially depending upon how Blaney, I think, has to race to win Larson and Bell. That's, you know, you wouldn't never really consider Larson great at Daytona Talladega, but I assume that that trend is heading in the right direction here. Russell, I love Larson here. Now top five, the last two here. It. It's all green for Larson here against Bell. All right, so everybody would. I just don't. I can't. I'm surprised to see his odds look the way they look, but same. I still think. I wish his odds were better. I'd take him to beat Bell for sure, but I wish that the. The books weren't so up on them. So up on him. Yeah. Chastain versus Bubba, I think got to go with Bubba here. Yeah, definitely. Bubba just finds a way. Yeah, I agree. But if Chastain's plus with chat Chastain possibly plus money, he's minus 110 what.

[TJ]

I've got right now. So it's kind of a toss up. So I would take Bubba here.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah. All right. Well, the fun bets are going to be, you know, that random guy who somehow, you know, puts Cody Ware in his hot five and. And a couple other back markers, you know, and. And lands a pretty good ticket that way. So we'll see if anybody can make that happen. Maybe some people could tell us some of this. Some of the big Hail Marys that they threw over the weekend, that actually worked out. We'll see when we come. We come back around next week to preview Martinsville.

[Chris]

Do we think.

[Dale Jr.]

Thanks.

[Chris]

Do we think a non playoff driver is going to win or do we think it's.

[TJ]

I think that's possible, man. I do. Like. What about like, Priest has looked pretty good at plate races here recently. Has any. Russ?

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, he was DQ'd here. I think he was second or third here in the spring, but so that. That sways his. His numbers. How many drivers. How many playoff drivers are there? Hey, there's eight. All right. And there's. How many drivers that start the race? 40. 40.

[TJ]

I mean, 40.

[Dale Jr.]

So you got 32 guys. 32 versus 8. They got a pretty good shot at it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[TJ]

Travis, take that.

[Chris]

What?

[Dale Jr.]

I was just using some numbers I know. To make a clear point. I feel pretty good about a non playoff guy winning because there's 32.

[Chris]

Well, I don't think. I don't think it's the amount, I mean, obviously helps, but I think it's because the Super Speedway, like, if not, why don't we see more non playoff drivers winning other playoff races? It's been pretty dominant.

[Dale Jr.]

Well, Talladega, it. The draft is a big neutralizer, Travis.

[Chris]

That's what I'm saying. Like with. But look, but you look at the numbers, the drivers at the top, a lot of them are playoff drivers. So you might be able to get better odds on these non playoff drivers.

[Dale Jr.]

Oh, yeah, well, I, I would probably. Yeah. I mean, I don't know who out of that 32 though. I mean, you know, it's like, who. Who out of that 32 is going to be the one.

[TJ]

It could be anything.

[Dale Jr.]

That's the tough thing to pick. Could be. I hate saying this because it really kind of minimizes, like, being good at these racetracks. Just saying, like, yep, anybody in this field could win this thing. I don't know who you bet on. I don't know who I would tell you to bet on. You know, I think Blaney's a great plate racer and I think he's got a, he's in a position where he's kind of going to be forced to have to be aggressive as well as the ganos. So there. I think I feel better about them going out and doing this and better about putting money on them than I traditionally would in this race. And so, you know, I kind of feel that way. I don't know. I think I like all the guys below the cut line. I think the guys above the cut line are going to be conservative and the guys below the cut line are going to go try to get it done. And, and so I got a more. I got more confidence than I traditionally would at this racetrack due to the dynamics of the playoffs for some of those guys below the cut line having to go make it happen. And, and then, and there's two. The, the non playoff drivers, when presented the opportunity to win, if it like just the seas part, right? And there it's like, oh, yes, I'm gonna go win this race. But a lot of times too, in those last few laps, they're, they're very aware of who's in what spot in terms of the playoffs, and they don't want to be that one guy, right? If you gotta, if you're driving a Ford, you're not gonna hang Blaney out with three to go, right? You're gonna get your ass chewed. And so there's a little bit of that still involved late in the day. So you know all of those. You got to think about all those kind of, you know, dynamics going on mentally for the drivers late in the race. Yeah.

[TJ]

I'm thinking about guys like Cedric. Like Cedric and Bubba. Like do they like. Those guys are worker bees in my opinion. These races, you know what I mean? Like if the opportunity shows up at.

[Dale Jr.]

The end they have.

[TJ]

It's gonna be tough to take. Yeah. Like they're. They're part of.

[Dale Jr.]

They have. They have one freaking job and that's to push the 22 or the 12.

[Chris]

But man cinder doesn't.

[TJ]

Same thing with Josh Barry.

[Dale Jr.]

Josh Barry. Yes. That's the same thing Josh Berry has to do. Josh Berry is going in that race and he's going to push the 22 and the 12 whenever that opportunity. Opportunity presents itself at to his own detriment. And so nothing. Nothing wrong with that. I suppose if that's your job and that's what you've been told to do. But. But Josh ain't gonna. You wouldn't bet money on Josh because he's not gonna win the race. He's going to be pushing the 12 to 22. Yeah, right. Same with Cedric. Cedric who is a great plate racer can win. Can win this race, won't win it because he's got a job and he's going to do that job. Right.

[TJ]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. I think some of these guys hands.

[Dale Jr.]

Are kind of a little bit. Yeah. You can kind of almost go down the line and pick like what guy maybe doesn't have a responsibility? Chastity. Yes, Stenhouse. Right. Stenhouse is like.

[TJ]

Oh Stenhouse. Big time. Stenhouse 100.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean so you highlight those guys. Pluck those guys sort of out of the group of the non playoffs and there's the ones maybe you put sprinkle a little bit of money on.

[TJ]

Yeah. I think those are two good ones. Fire legacy.

[Dale Jr.]

They had nothing that.

[TJ]

Those are the teams. Yeah. But I think it's. Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

Better spire. Absolutely. Better be pushing a hinder car. Oh yeah. Yes sir.

[TJ]

Oh yeah there's. Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

That's not Carson. I don't know if he's doing that well. I don't. Well let me tell you. Conversation at that. There'll be a conversation on Monday. If he doesn't. If he had a chance to and he choose not to do it, there'll be a conversation.

[Chris]

I don't think it'll wait till Monday. It'll be Sunday.

[Dale Jr.]

Yeah, well.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

No. What about You I like because what about me?

[TJ]

I like all three of our cars working. I mean, if we can be near each other at the end. I like all three of them, honestly.

[Dale Jr.]

I mean, so do you have a.

[Chris]

Ford responsibility this weekend?

[TJ]

I mean, you always want to help when you can, but I think you also want to win the race, too. Like, winning the race is big. And, you know, if you're not like, yes, we are a four.

[Dale Jr.]

Brad's a. I think Brad's a great example of a guy like Stenhouse or Chastain that's going to see an opportunity presenting itself. He's going to go for it. He's going to.

[TJ]

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

And I think TJ Is absolutely going to spot him to win, not spot him to help. What do you say, tj?

[TJ]

I mean, I would say yeah, I'm going to try to win the race 100%. I mean, if we got a run coming behind us and I can put Brad in front of it to get us the lead and win the race, I mean, going to probably try to do that.

[Dale Jr.]

So here we go. Got. We could put a little sprinkle of money on Brad, a little bit on Chastain, a little bit over here on Pretty good. Feeling pretty good.

[TJ]

Yeah.

[Dale Jr.]

That's good. Yeah. All right. Well, this has been fun. We got somewhere. That's the segment today, brought to you by fanduel. Thank you, Russell. Thank you, Tim. It's good to see y' all back. Fanduel is the premier gaming destination in the United States. All right, it's time for the white flag. The teardown was live on YouTube and Twitter following the race. If you haven't already done this, go to dirty mo media's YouTube page, open up the app, click on Dirty Mo Media and hit subscribe. Turn on your notifications so that you don't miss a thing. Door bumper clear dropped on Monday. They were joined by NASCAR's Mike Ford, who had a captivating conversation with the guys. Always great to have NASCARs folks come by and have a conversation. We always have a lot of great questions for them. Actions detrimental dropped on Monday night. Then he punched his ticket to Phoenix. And he was joining elite company in his 60 win column. Basically vaulting himself clearly into the top 10 in most wins in NASCAR history. And he's going to keep climbing that list if I have had my guess. My guest interview with my friend. Two beer. Kevin Pinel drops tomorrow. Herman Schrader and Speed street also drop on Wednesday and Thursday. Another episode of Bless yous Heart.

[Chris]

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