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What Will It Take To Save Nashville Fairgrounds?
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Dale Earnhardt Jr. was back behind the wheel of his JR Motorsports late model stock at the Nashville Fairgrounds this past weekend.
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Hey everybody, it's Dale Jr. Back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. Download in the Arby's Studio. Don't forget about Arby's new Meet in Three Box and you get more meal for your money at Arby's. We have the meats and we got a great show for you today. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. This is the most fun I've had in this chair in the last hour and a half.
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Yes, I don't know if we've ever argued. Did I piss you off over the
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weekend or I'm still sour that I wasn't the best man at your wedding
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who Was your best man Dale tj.
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Dj, you don't need a cool vest for that race. What are you thinking? Get him, dj. Hell, when it's starting to show.
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All right, then.
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Hey, Everybody, it's Dale Jr. Back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. Download. This is Bristol Post Bristol 706. Finally the number episode 706. Dude, it feels like it's episode 7006, doesn't it?
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706 is a lot.
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Yeah, I reckon. I said I reckon the other day. My little girl goes, what does that mean? I said, it kind of means whatever. So how's it going, tj, my co host?
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It's going.
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Yeah. You ready for the show?
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I am ready.
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I got my Red Bull open. I'm going to have me a little sugar free Red Bull and we're going to talk some. We're going to talk some Bristol, talk a little Nashville cars tour. We're going to talk a little Stenhouse Kazalowski. Ty gives big winner, Big winner. Connor Zillich is coming on the show. And also we're going to talk a little trading cards. We have tasked Travis with getting us an expert and, man, did he deliver. Yeah. So finally King of the cards is going to come on the show. We're going to ask him some questions. We got some. I got a little list of things that I want to ask him. Did you prepare a list?
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I have a list from before.
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Hell yeah, brother. No disrespect, but I only know this guy via his moniker, his King of the cards name. Does he have a real name?
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Kyle.
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Kyle.
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That's why the cards, I think, is
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K. Is K. Sweet. All right, so Kyle and I've, you know, look, I've seen this guy's social media. It's been coming up on my algorithm because I started collecting cards and now my phone's starting to share with me the things that it thinks I want to watch. And king of the cards is some of the stuff that it's sending me. And this guy seems super cool. He's so nice to all the people. He's got a lot of fans that come to the card shows and walk up to his table and, man, the interactions that I see on social media are awesome. So can't wait to get him on the show. That'll be a little bit later. Obviously, dirty mode do. And all the good things are going to happen today. So let's get started. Let's go right into the cars tour. TJ went to Nashville fairgrounds this past weekend and here Are my unfiltered thoughts. So, yeah, I want to hear this
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because I have some questions.
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We practiced Thursday from 3 to 7 and then it was like Groundhog Day. Friday we did the exact same thing again, three to seven, and then Saturday we had a 20 and a 40 minute practice roughly in the morning, qualified around five and then we raced. And that is way too much practice. I don't want to go do a race weekend where there's that much practice. It's just too much. I don't want. It's not interesting or fun for me. The race, the race day, all that, the cars, the people love it. One thing I did not like about this past weekend was so much practice. Of course it was Nashville, new track. But if we don't show up and like open the track and say, okay, everybody's here, it's time to practice, they're all going to rent it, they're all going to show up on Wednesday and Thursday and do it anyways and. Or come the week before. Now they're traveling to Nashville and back home and back out to Nashville again for the race. If we don't like, kind of organize, gets more expensive for the teams. It's crazy how different the dirt world is versus the asphalt world in practice. Dirt guys, they run three corners and start to race. You know, they go out and practice for two laps. You know, their hot laps are like bam, bam, over.
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Yeah, they're quick.
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Yeah. But it was an amazing weekend for the car store. It was an amazing weekend for Nashville fairgrounds. So Nashville fairgrounds has been in the news quite a bit over the last probably five to 10 years. And it's all revolving around the future of the racetrack. And there's obviously the fair board, local government council, there's all these different levels of government that votes that deals have to go through to be approved. And man, you'll get through one line of government and then run into a brick wall or get through a couple lines and then run into a brick wall. And there's always opp and it's unfortunate, it's very political, which is never fun. And you know, the racetrack first off is sort of protected by an amendment to it's protected and racing is forever preserved as an activity on that property. And so while the opposition to the racetrack can stifle its future and growth and its upgrades, they cannot for the current period of time end all racing at the racetrack because it's protected in these laws that were implemented over the past couple of decades. So that's why racing still happens there. And that's also why the track itself hasn't seen any, any recent upgrades to the facility. The surface is in rough shape, needs a lot of patchwork. I wouldn't say it needs a repave, but definitely has some problems on the surface that I saw this weekend. The grandstands and facility, while usable, functionable, they do need to be improved and cleaned up. A sound barrier needs to be put up around the racetrack. A very proper sound barrier needs to go up around the facility quickly. Otherwise, I mean it's the foundation and the, the footprint of the track is in. Is in solid shape. And, and, and we didn't really. It. It felt like a great facility for. There's a lot of opposition sort of stifling what the track could continue to become and there's a lot of support that wants racing to continue. There's a man that built a soccer stadium on the property who has a lot of interest in that being successful. It's a 30,000 plus venue that hosts concerts and all multi use. He obviously is in a big. He probably isn't a big fan of another 30,000 plus seat venue being right next door. Right. Because while the racetrack is motorsports oriented, it would then it can also be seen as a multi use venue if they were to increase the seats for sure. Where it could do concerts and so forth as well. So I don't know, maybe that's, that's the, that's. There's a bit of a tug of war I guess happening between the community, the, the. The individuals that are. That are. That own the soccer stadium and so forth, the soccer team and the fans that want to see racing continue there. The racing community in Nashville. So there's a lot going on. Lot, lot to.
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I feel like there's a good core racing community there still.
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Okay.
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I mean do you get that vibe when you're there?
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We had 13,000 people show up, want to watch the Cars Tour.
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That's pretty good.
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Yeah. Packed place out. I mean if you, if you could have sold 20,000 tickets, I think you could have gotten close to that. Nice with that. All said, this is the feeling that I get. There's. Most of us don't live in Nashville. Most of us get our information about the speedway on social media. Most of us read articles or text or post tweets, whatever. And we, we form our opinion of how, how the progress is going with the racetrack. Right. From just basically social media. That's me, that's you, that's all of us.
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Right.
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And when we're not in Nashville, not standing on that property, not at that racetrack, not watching a motorsports event go on. It can feel at times that there's a bunch of opposition against the racetrack and there's not a ton of, of confidence that something is going to come together. But when you go there and you stand on the racetrack and you're at the place and you see it operating and see the fans coming and see it happening, that changes your mind. There is, you know, it's a big racetrack, it's a big piece of property. It's been there since 1904. Racing's been going on there forever. Second oldest racing facility, I believe, in the country. Really? Yeah. So when you're standing there, you go, oh no, man, this is not, this ain't going to go away quietly. This place is stubborn. You know, they there, you don't know who's going to, you know, win out on this, you know, tug of war. But this place isn't going to get wiped off the map just like that. It's, it's fighting and it's got, it's got some legs. And so there's two routes I think that this racetrack could take. It is obviously it can continue as it is being managed by a guy like Bob Sergeant who is a promoter there. Now that's not a terrible route because short track racing continues. Bob's got relationships with all the folks that he needs to have relationships with in the town, knows how to, knows how to do business in Nashville. And the only thing about that is it seems like the track doesn't get the financial support. It needs to be able to continue to upgrade and just do general maintenance like the surface. They need to. There's a couple holes in the track need to be patched. Couple. And then they're, they're just, you know, there just needs to be a little bit better general maintenance if we continue down the current path of racing at Nashville. The second route obviously is with Bristol and Marcus Smith. And if Marcus comes in and gets a, gets control of the track, he wants a 30 year Runway. He wants a real, he wants a guarantee that he's going to get this place and get a hold of it for a long time so that as the investments are made into the track, he knows that that's not going to, the track's not going to get yanked out from under him after 10 years. Right. If he puts, if Marcus puts $60 million in this place, he wants that 30 year Runway to be able to make it work. That's how he sees how he can make that profit profitable because he's going to put a ton of money into it. As soon as Marcus gets the racetrack, he's already got commitments to the local, local community and local government to do the sound barrier and all types of upgrades to the racetrack.
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So he's been proactive.
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Yeah, they have a plan and it's ready and it's being mulled over by the local government. But. And that absolutely could happen. And that's still in motion. And I, I know that Marcus and his team are still eye on the prize. They're still working that deal. It's not dead. And so I don't know, you know, and I know nothing more than that. I know as much as all y' all do. Marcus isn't in my phone telling me inside information. I don't, I can. I. If I go to Marcus and I say, Marcus, what's the update? I don't get details. He goes, we're still digging. You know, he'll tell me something like, our guys were there last week. Our guys were in town last week meeting with, you know, local government. Our guys are still boots on the ground. And that's all I need to hear. You know, they're still trying to make that effort to put a deal together. I think honestly, if, if the laws stay in place that protect motorsports at the track and racing is going to continue, I would probably prefer Marcus's team managing the track because I know if I'm, you know, if I'm in a townhouse or a neighborhood nearby or my kids are going to school, you know, within vicinity of the racetrack. I know that Marcus is promised and will be forced really to put the sound barrier up and to really improve the burden of noise that the racetrack is. So if racing is going to continue, which the laws are in place for that to happen and Bob, I think there's a world where Marcus gets the 30 year deal, Marcus upgrades the racetrack and Bob still promotes the short track racing that would continue there. I think there's a world where both can be true. And so, because I absolutely think if Marcus gets the track, you're still going to have pro weekly racing cars, tour, whatever you want to do. Right. And the other thing too is that if Marcus got the racetrack, they're not adding races, they're not adding track time, they're not adding dates because the fair board is going to tell you this racetrack gets to run 10 times a year. That's it. So if it's a NASCAR race, I don't care. Go kart. Whatever. You get 10 races, you get 10 shots. When I took the Cars Tour there, Bob had to pull something out, right. He put the Cars Tour in the hat. Something had to come out because he only gets 10, 12 dates, whatever, right? And so, you know, it's not. There's. There's not more racing. You're. You're basically saying if. If they agree to do this deal with Marcus, they're basically saying, marcus, come in, fix up the track, put the sound barrier up, make it better for everybody, better for the community, better for our racers, better for Nashville. I just don't understand why it's taken so long for everybody to understand that this is the right way forward for the racetrack. It's. It's interesting. So that's what. We had a great weekend. I went around to competitors before, during and after the race, and everyone was thrilled to be there. They were. A couple of them said it reminded them of Myrtle beach because the track had a great environment. The track had a great culture and environment. Had a feeling that was fun. And then you had Nashville itself. When you got done at the racetrack, like Saturday night, dude, we went downtown,
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drank some beer, tons of places to go.
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We went to Printer's Alley.
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Oh, love Printer's Alley.
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Bar called the Cellar and drank beer till 2 in the morning. We took the guitar that Kaden won, hung it on the wall in the bar and cheers it and drank beer to it. Had pizza. I mean, not every racetrack that we go to is there an after party, you know, a place where you can go and. Or even on Thursday night after testing. A lot of guys went out. Yeah. And had fun. We went to tootsies.
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That's one thing. I remember the Martinsville weekend when I ran the late mall race. You got down to the track and everybody went to Clarence's or the places in Martinsville. And you saw the. All the guys that I was competing against, you saw them there.
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So the infamous Dutch Inn.
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The Dutch Inn, yeah. You get the Dutch.
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There was a bar in a hotel in Martinsville. The hotel is called the Dutch Inn. And that bar, if it could talk it. I don't think it's there anymore, but I don't know. I mean, in the 80s,
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even in the early 2000s.
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I know, but I mean, imagine. Imagine Tim Richmond, all those. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah, the Dutch Inn. I just can't tell you how much fun we had taking the Cars tour to Nashville. It was fantastic. I could sit here and talk about it for hours. Hey, everybody. The 2026 NASCAR season is underway and it's already shaping up to be another year of hard racing. Great storylines, winning moments that remind us why we love this amazing sport. And when it comes to capturing all of that on track action in collectible form, nobody does it better than Lionel Racing, the official diecast of nascar. Their race win Diecasts are some of my favorite cars in my own collection. That's because the detail they look exactly like the car does in Victory Lane. The confetti, scuffs marks, tire marks, damage, all of it. It's like freezing that winning moment in time and having it right there in your own home and your own collection. Lionel Racing Diecast. They're the real deal. And right now, Lionel is offering a free domestic shipping when you use promo code download 26. That's free domestic shipping when you use the promo code download26. So head over to Lionel Racing.com, grab your favorite diecast and make this NASCAR season one to remember.
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Anyhow, let's. Let's move on to Bristol cup racing. Man. I watched the cup race on Sunday and congratulations to Ty Gibbs. I know his long overdue, and he was thrilled to be able to get himself to victory lane. Ty Gibbs is in the sim this morning, so he's not gonna be calling into the show, but we've all kind of watched this kid go through challenges and hurdles and trying to become a winning race car driver in the cup series. And he used to race in the cars tour, worked his way up through the Xfinity series, had a ton of success, and it's been a bit of a rocky road. Came into the cup series and looked like, you know, man, this kid's got it. He's, he's, he's, he's ahead of the game. But they've struggled over the last couple of years and there's been some, you know, there's been some personnel changes and whatnot, but seems like right now they're in a stable place.
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They're running like it.
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Yep.
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Top 10 after top 10 after top 10.
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Yeah, the kid is pretty dang competent. Is. I mean, he's. He doesn't make a bunch of mistakes.
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Is he a championship contender this year?
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No. I mean, I don't know. I don't think so. That's a bit of a jump, I think, from where I have him in my mind before Bristol. I know he won.
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He's getting there.
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He's getting there. Yeah. He's kind of like, you know, I guess you could say he reminds me a lot of Chase Elliott last year. Very. Just, Just consistent. If he can't win the race, he's going to get you that fifth, going to get you that eighth, going to get you that tenth, going to get you that third. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. I just wonder if this does it for Ty, though. Does this give him a little bit more like.
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You never know. They always, you know, they always say you just got to win that first one and then the floodgates are going to open. That isn't always the case.
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I don't always see that.
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No. I mean, it's as hard as when it's just as hard to win them.
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He's not Going to try any harder
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than he winning gets easier after the first one. Yeah, I don't know where, where that came from.
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To me, it gives the driver the confidence. Okay, I can do this now. A little. You know what I mean?
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But I don't know that he liked it.
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Yeah, maybe not.
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I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, he went through a couple rough years. I'm sure there was probably some hard times for him.
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He seemed like outwardly to realize where the problem was and knew it wasn't him. That's just my perception. But, you know, I could be wrong. He could be really insecure about it after the last rough couple years, but he doesn't express that.
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Sure.
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He expresses, hey, man, I know where the problem is. We're going to get that fixed and then I'll be good. And that seems to be what happened.
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It's looking like it so far because,
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I mean, there was a moment in the season last year where the, the, the, the temperature around it was that he was, he was tough to beat. Maybe tough to deal with.
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Well, yeah, you had Gabe Hart as like the quasi crew chief, Tyler Allen, like, really wasn't on the mic. Like, it was just awkward.
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It was. And. And then Gabe Hart's out at the end of the year.
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That whole situation looked.
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It did.
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It didn't look great for Ty.
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Didn't look good. Yeah, it didn't look great for Tyler. Ty just kept his head down, went about his. Went about his racing. And now he's in victory lane. Now he looks. And he. And they've been running great. This wasn't like.
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This isn't like a surprise.
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No, not a surprise. They've been running great every week and so now it's like, man, maybe it wasn't him. You know, maybe in the right scenario, this kid's just, you know, this is
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proof that if you hang out on that top five, you're gonna be able to win races. Because he wasn't the dominant car all day. No, he wasn't the best car all day, but you give a guy in the top five a shot to win, there it is.
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And as we talked about last week, like, he's only 23, so to our. What we're talking about, like, yeah, it's taking him a couple years. Yeah, it's got to mature. Like, he's got to develop.
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It's a great point. I mean, we. I always say this and I'm. Everybody's tired of hearing about it, but like Logano, Byron, I mean he's, it's right. It's just the exact same thing.
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He wasn't racing cup at 20.
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Like there's the exact same thing. You put these guys in These cars at 20, 21 years old, they are going to have flashes, but they are also going to have rough days. And if you can see that through, right, you get Byron, you get Logano, you get Blaney.
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A lot of guys, the opportunity though,
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they don't do that. But Ty's gonna get it.
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Yeah. Like Denny. Denny put his time in. Right. Like, I feel like guys like Denny and Brad and, and Martin Truex, they all came up. A lot of them. Almost all of them, you know, came up that way.
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Like we look, we're going to have Connor on like he's struggling right now, but like he's young and he's. It's going to take him some time before he can break through.
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Yeah.
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On a oval it will.
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Well, Ty Gibbs may not even be in his prime yet.
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He might. No, I don't think he is that close.
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Yeah. And so, yeah, just think about that. Like he's sitting there fourth in points and you know, definitely in the conversation around points, but I don't think that he's.
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When could he hit his prime? Is he five years from it still? Could be.
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Oh, I mean I think that you're. If you're in a great situation with a great team, it start, you know, you could start around to, you know, the age of 25 run to 35.
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Yeah.
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I mean he's not even different for everybody. This different for different people. Like Denny's is, you know, Denny's is a lot, his prime run is a lot longer than most, but most guys get about a 10 year window of like they're, they're really peak. It can still be great after that.
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But I feel like Ty is in a really good spot to have the same path that Denny had with the equipment that he's in. Because Denny's been in A plus equipment his entire career.
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Yeah.
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So his prime window obviously stays open longer, in my opinion.
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Probably opens up sooner too.
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Yeah, definitely opens up sooner.
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The, the challenge for Gibbs is going to really be how that operation is ran from the top down. So Joe is way up there in age, right? He is, absolutely. He is. His celebrity status, his recognition, name recognition, all those things. 85 years old. So that right there is how they, that he's a big, huge part of their sustained success, partner relationships and all those things. Right. So how they carry that on beyond Joe himself is the key to Ty's success. Right. So like, for example, I mean, I would say it's kind of like, what
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do you think, Tiny?
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Let me just say this. So dei, for example, right? DEI with Dale Earnhardt and without Dylan Hart. Two different buildings, two different operations, two different businesses. Even though the, the name's there, the legacy's there to be able, it is just not the same if that man isn't walking in the building. The way he would come in there and talk to employees, the way he would, you know, shake hands with sponsors and market the company. When that leaves, someone else has to come in there and do that. Someone else has to come in there and be that. And no one could replace that. Right. And so no matter. And we, you know, Di can be successful, but it is not ever going to be what it was without Dale Earnhardt present and in the building. And so that is the challenge for, for, for Gibbs is when, when Joe is gone, how can they continue to have the partnerships they need to fund the operation, maintain the critical talented individuals in engineering and crew and support to be able to build fast race cars. And if they can find that magic way to do those things, that charisma and that ability to, you know, to really, truly be successful in operating the business. Ties got a real opportunity at a solid 20 year career with a lot of wins.
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Those positions are hard to fill though.
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The leadership.
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Yeah, it's hard to fill those.
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Well, they may have a plan.
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And you're like, I'm sure, you know, there's stories about people that worked with your dad, the things he would do, like go see him on the land, just walk up and I mean that made their day. Like they, they couldn't wait to get there.
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C
And also like a sponsor maybe once Joe's like, you know what? I don't have that same relationship with whoever takes over. I may not want to.
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A
Exactly.
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C
That's what I'm speaking. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. So the leadership, Ty Tides, I know that's a long view, but that's truly like, you're like, what kind of driver can Ty be like if he's driving for Joe Gibbs Racing, he's going to be as good as Joe Gibbs Racing is. Yeah, right. Because he's a winner. Ty's now a winner. Ties a guy that's fourth in points is a winner. Get him in a great race car, he's going to get you a great result. Very, not really mistake prone start. He's dialing it in. Not in his prime. This guy's got a Great Runway. Right. But he's going to be only as good as the equipment and the organization he's with. And so that's kind of how I look at that.
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B
I agree.
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A
Let's talk about. You had a little bit of a. A comical moment during.
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B
Yeah, we had a little bit of a comedy exciting moment.
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C
Yeah, comical for us.
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A
Comical.
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B
I didn't know it was comical to. After the race,
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A
Stenhouse gets into Brad and spins Brad out. And Stenhouse comes over the radio and
- [32:32]
B
said, tell TJ Inside.
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A
Tell TJ Inside.
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B
Yeah, I guess, because.
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A
No, he said, tell TJ he's an ass. What'd he say? No, what did he say?
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B
That's what he said.
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C
He said, tell TJ Inside.
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A
Oh, I thought he said tell TJ He's a. He's an ass.
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B
I don't turn the wheel.
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A
Okay. Well, did he? Did he? Did he. Didn't he not come up the racetrack into y'? All?
- [32:56]
B
Well, eventually we. He got a big run out of four and I've watched it count it down off the top side like you always do. We get to the start finish line and he's like, eh. Kind of start like it was a late dive.
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A
But I don't.
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B
I mean, I don't blame him. I mean, he gets into Brad a little bit. Brad kind of closes the door and we go up the racetrack, but he just continues to go up the racetrack and doesn't stop until he spends us out.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So.
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A
So did Brad enter?
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B
We crowded him on entry.
- [33:24]
A
Crowded him on entry. That's what I was trying to get
- [33:26]
B
at a little bit. But that happens a thousand times a race and.
- [33:29]
A
Well, I mean, Bristol, you enter on the bottom or you enter. Here we go. We're on board. Oh, whoa. Yeah. There was contact on entry. Yeah, Carlo. T.J. yeah, Carlos.
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B
Hence why I said that too.
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A
You told him, Carlo?
- [33:45]
B
Absolutely. Yeah. Inside. I mean, I counted the entire rundown. Yeah. So.
- [33:51]
A
Man.
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B
But it all worked out how it should have.
- [33:53]
A
Well, did you talk to Stenhouse?
- [33:55]
B
I don't need to talk to Ricky. There's five racing.
- [33:58]
A
You ought to call him.
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B
I don't need to call Ricky. I'm not driving.
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A
When he answers the phone, you say car. Car. Outside.
- [34:04]
C
I wish we had RICKY to surprise T.J. i know.
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B
I mean inside, like. Like Darlington during COVID or what?
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A
I mean, all his number. And then as soon as he picks up, say outside. Outside.
- [34:15]
B
Yeah.
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A
Clear. All clear. Spin behind you. Spin behind you.
- [34:21]
B
Those moves happen at Bristol like a thousand times a race. TV doesn't I didn't see it.
- [34:25]
A
Nope. That was the only time I saw that. That only happened once. And that was your.
- [34:30]
B
Yeah, just my. Just there.
- [34:32]
A
So Brad got spun out.
- [34:34]
B
Yep.
- [34:34]
A
Yep. You didn't hit nothing good.
- [34:36]
B
Anything came back. Ran. Then we got a speeding penalty late, which really hurt our day, but still finished top 15, so with a late penalty. So I'll take it.
- [34:44]
A
All right, Well, we. We got a phone call just now. Connor Zillich's rang us up, so we're. Yeah, we're going to jump forward into the Xfinity series. Connor, how you doing, buddy?
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E
I'm good.
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A
Where are you?
- [35:08]
B
I guess he is at home.
- [35:09]
E
I'm at. Yeah, I'm at home. I'm at Jesse's house, but it's close.
- [35:13]
A
Jesse's. Jesse's got some. Is that boob light up ahead of you?
- [35:16]
B
That is.
- [35:17]
A
It's a boob light up there. It's just a light. No, it's one of them old boob lights. You see those in. You see those in apartments.
- [35:26]
B
It's like these, just smaller.
- [35:32]
E
Never heard that one before.
- [35:33]
A
Is that what is on the wall? Is those Jesse's checkered flags?
- [35:36]
E
Yeah, they are. I assume. I'm in his little office.
- [35:40]
A
What's on the. What's the frame stuff there? Is it some kind of a. Is those his. Yeah.
- [35:45]
B
Does that camera.
- [35:45]
A
Academic awards. What are those?
- [35:47]
E
I don't know. They're. They're from arca.
- [35:49]
A
Arca.
- [35:50]
B
Oh, he's hanging ARCA awards. Good lord.
- [35:54]
A
You know, I think.
- [35:55]
B
Oh, my gosh.
- [35:56]
A
I hung up the. I printed out and hung up my first iracing win. I remember. I remember hang. Hanging those things on the wall.
- [36:03]
B
That is about what that is for.
- [36:05]
C
Jesse award.
- [36:07]
B
Is that Jesse's b license on the wall over there? Is that his rookie?
- [36:10]
E
Yeah, it is. It is.
- [36:13]
B
Oh, that's Jesse's rookie class. He graduated from the rookie class. Street stock class over there.
- [36:18]
E
His first street stock winner shot.
- [36:21]
A
He's getting hammered season three.
- [36:22]
B
He's not even here to defend himself.
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D
He's getting hammered.
- [36:25]
A
It's probably sitting on the other side of the camera. Golly. So this weekend you got a chance to drive for Junior Motorsports. Man, always awesome to have you in our cars. We had such. Such a great year last year racing with you, and so we're. We're thrilled when you get back behind the wheel and you got to work with Rodney Childers. You've been able to work with him a couple times this year. I've known Rodney since I was in school. And so. But you're getting a chance to work with him a little bit and get to know him pretty well. How is the. What's Rodney like as a crew chief? Like, what's his temperament, and what do you like about getting to work with a guy like that?
- [37:06]
E
Yeah, I feel like Rodney's just never worried or stressed and. And that is very helpful to have in a crew chief because, you know, that's the last guy you want to be, you know, uptight and stressed and nervous and because, you know, he's the leader of the team. So, yeah, it's been cool to kind of just learn from his demeanor and how he goes about things, but, yeah, he's so laid back and just, you know, I feel like he's always going to do the right thing, make the right call and not really stress about it, if not. So, yeah, he's. He's a good dude, and I'm glad that, you know, I was a part of his first win with jrm. It was a really cool day.
- [37:42]
A
What's it like to. To win at Bristol? You know, I mean, I used to go there as a little kid, and that night race at Bristol was my favorite of all the races to go to all year long. That was the one that was, like, at the top of my list as a kid because of the action and you just got so close to the racing, and it's always a lot of fun. So I have Bristol high on my list. It's even higher than some crown jewels in my personal opinion. But what's it like to drive up on top of that building and win a race there?
- [38:12]
E
Yeah, it's. It's the victory lane and the sword. I don't know. Were you. I guess.
- [38:17]
A
Did you ever get a sword? I don't believe I did.
- [38:20]
B
No. They didn't have swords.
- [38:21]
A
I just got the giant trophy.
- [38:22]
E
Yeah. Back in the day. Yeah, they had started the swords, like, 10 or 12 years ago. So, yeah, it's. It's a cool tradition that they have now to. To give the driver that wins a sword. And, you know, obviously, Bristol is one of the coolest tracks to win at because it's just. Everything feels so tight and. And I feel like you're so up close with all the fans and everybody who's there, you know, watching the race, and it definitely adds to the. To the experience of winning when you can kind of feel like you're celebrating with everybody who's there and obviously driving up, you know, onto the top of the media center or whatever the building. That we drive up on top of for Victory Lane is. Is unique and really cool. So, yeah, I had a lot of fun. We had a really good race car, and, you know, we're able to stay out there at the end and make that strategy call to put us in a position to win. And, yeah, it was my first win at Bristol, so that was. That was awesome.
- [39:17]
A
Did you think you were going to be able to get by the 19? I know passing on the bottom there late in the race is difficult. It was tough. Challenging to put that together. Looked like you had to really put to work in to get there.
- [39:26]
E
Yeah, I mean, I did not know. As soon as he got to my outside, I was like, I just completely blew this race. You know, he did it the restart before, and I should have known better to get up when he got to the outside of me the first time, and I didn't, and I thought that was going to be the end of the race, and he was just going to rip the top and get by me. And, you know, he made a mistake on top, and, you know, as soon as he did, I got up and, you know, took the top away from him. So it was a little bit lucky that, you know, Brent made that little mistake running the fence, but, you know, we were running so hard those last 10 or 12 laps, and, you know, Kyle and me, we hadn't really been running the top like that all race long, so it was kind of the first laps up there, and. And hence why, you know, Brent and Kyle both ended up making a mistake that, you know, cost them a little bit. So it was. It was. You know, we were. The pace had picked up, and we were all giving it all we had. And, you know, when you're doing that for 15 laps in a row, you know you're gonna make mistakes eventually. And fortunately, I was the one that, you know, was able to. To sneak through and get the win.
- [40:33]
B
Did Kyle make you nervous at all? Because I saw he, like, cleared Brent and then he got to you, like, seemed like he got to you really quick, and then he made that mistake and it was like. Because it. I look, I mean, I thought he was getting ready to probably take a dive or, you know, do something, and I guess he jumped the cushion or did something.
- [40:49]
E
Yeah, I mean, it's never fun when you're, you know, there's five. Five to go and Kyle Larson's behind you with 100 lap pressure tires. I mean, that's never really what you want to see, but what could go wrong? Yeah, exactly. But you Know, I just kind of forgot about what was behind me and just tried to run my best corner each lap and not make a mistake. And, you know, he was going to have to do something to get by me. I felt like I. I wasn't going to be the one to, you know, I wasn't going to make the mistake and let him have it easy. You know, I wanted to force him into move or. Or something like that to get by me. So, yeah, I mean, to be honest, I. I was running as hard as I could, but I knew that I couldn't make a mistake because he'd be right there to. To take this.
- [41:36]
B
When did you run your fastest lap?
- [41:38]
E
I think, like, lap 291 or something? Like 10 to go on?
- [41:43]
A
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [41:44]
B
That's what I saw, too. And I was like, good Lord.
- [41:47]
A
Yeah.
- [41:47]
E
I know we were digging as hard as we could at the end, and. And honestly, we'd like to. We were on the oldest tires, me and Brent and obviously Kyle had new stuff, but, like, we were driving away from everybody who put tires on at the stop before that. So it's kind of funny that, you know, you. You run the tires for 100 laps, and they're still just as good as. As new. But, yeah, I mean, after practice, like, we still had lines down the middle. Like, I mean, there was nowhere at all. So that's kind of what, you know, I. The caution came out with 35 to go, and I actually lost the Bristol race in the fall last year, kind of the same way I was leading. And, you know, we pitted and tried to get the tires to come back through, but we just never were able to make it back up to the front. So as soon as the caution came out, I kind of told Rodney. I was like, look, we're staying out, and, you know, I'll make it work. So glad that we're able to do that and, you know, glad that Rodney trusted me to make that call.
- [42:42]
A
Well, what did Kyle have to say when he came to the window at the end of the race?
- [42:48]
E
Yeah, I mean, he just said, good job, and I gave Marty some. I was just.
- [42:52]
B
I bet I was.
- [42:53]
E
I was telling him. I was like, why. Why the hell did you pit? You know, we lost that race doing the exact same thing last year, and,
- [43:00]
A
you know, he laughed. And Rodney called me this week talking, asking me what I thought about coming down pit road, and I was like, God, he. He's still, like, not sure exactly what to do, and he's like, I got Larson, and I feel like I got a pit. You know, I'm like, well, if you think you can drive back through there.
- [43:17]
E
But yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, it was funny. I, you know, Kyle told me a good job and, and, you know, we, we laughed about the pit, the decision to pit or not, and, you know, I kind of went on my way. But it was cool to race against Kyle. You know, I, I raced against him on Saturday and, you know, we're racing for the win. And then Sunday he's lapping me on lap 40. So it was a, definitely a change going from Saturday to Sunday, but, you know, it's, it's a lot harder on Sunday. I mean, it's, it's just the cars, the competition, everything's tougher. So it's going to take some time for me to figure that out, but we're working at it every week and track House as a whole, trying to get better. So, yeah, it's, it's been a struggle, no doubt, but we're getting there.
- [43:58]
A
Yeah. What are some of the things that have jumped out at you on the cup side that are so unique and different from what you've experienced?
- [44:07]
E
Man, I would just say, like, the intensity is, is, you know, you get in those ex. The O'Reilly races and, and just, you know, it's intense on final restarts, and it's intense, you know, at points throughout the race. But, you know, in the cup car, it's every single lap, like, you can't make a mistake. You can't, you know, you can't take a lap off. I feel like it's just you're always fighting for the next position. And I feel like in, in everything I've ever raced, it's. It's never quite like that. Like, there's moments of. That are intense, but, man, in those cup races, it's every lap you're, you're fighting for your life, it feels like, and it's just very, very competitive and everybody's so talented on, on Sundays and the teams are all so competitive and, you know, all, all have so many resources and, and spend a lot of money to make their cars fast, and it's just, it's different than anything I've ever done.
- [45:02]
A
Well, man, we know you're going to figure it out. Rookie years, they can be rewarding, but also there's some, there's some humbling moments in them, but we know you're a winner and a champion and a bright, bright future for you in the Cup Series. Thanks for giving us some time this morning, man. Have a Good week. And we'll see at the racetrack, of course.
- [45:20]
E
Thanks, Dale. Thanks for having me.
- [45:21]
A
See you, T.J. see you, man.
- [45:23]
E
Car outside, by the way.
- [45:27]
B
Inside.
- [45:29]
A
See you, man. Well, it's great to be able to talk to the winner from the Xfinity series or the overall series.
- [45:34]
B
O'Reilly series. Yeah. It's good to see his perspective now since it is. He went from such a high to Daytona. Everything is going to be great. It's just. It's like. It's hard.
- [45:43]
A
Yeah.
- [45:44]
B
Like, to see where he was because he was like, top dog. Right. Like.
- [45:48]
A
Well, it was a lot of fun to. To see the success. And I talked to Rodney Childers after the race, and he's like, just, you know, on to the next.
- [45:58]
B
I know.
- [45:58]
A
Yeah.
- [45:59]
B
Rodney. Like, during. One thing I noticed about working with Rodney is the driver can come on there and say, rodney, this thing's the. So loose. I can barely drive 10 4. Like, it's like the most, like. Oh, yeah, you're on. I mean, literally, you could like the word. The most hype scenario could be happening, and Rodney is literally just 10 4.
- [46:21]
A
Yeah. I think that's why I think Harvick loved him so much, is because Harvick's a fiery guy. He is fire, you know, and when. When things aren't going the way he expect him to go, he's going to let you know. And I believe that Harvick really probably appreciated the fact that Rodney didn't get stirred up.
- [46:38]
B
Getting stirred up doesn't help.
- [46:39]
A
Kevin knew he need. Kevin needed to pop off. Right. Kevin. Kevin had that release valve and needed to get something out, but he didn't want his crew chief to spiral or get fiery or get upset.
- [46:52]
B
Similarly, you. I mean, you kind of the same way.
- [46:54]
A
Yeah. And I worked really well with Latart because he would. I would say something on the radio and get mad or get on, you know, because you got. You just got to get it out.
- [47:03]
B
And sometimes he would let you go, and other times he was like, hey, you know, that's enough.
- [47:08]
A
Yeah, he would, but it was pretty. He would never. I would. I. He wouldn't. I wouldn't screw him up.
- [47:15]
D
Yeah.
- [47:16]
A
My fiery. You know. You know, my episode of being frustrated or mad wouldn't send Steve down the road.
- [47:23]
B
No. He never read into it.
- [47:24]
A
No.
- [47:24]
B
He let you get it out and kept working.
- [47:26]
A
That's what Rodney's like.
- [47:27]
B
Yeah.
- [47:28]
A
Back to the cup stuff. Ryan Blaney looked like one of the best cars all day long. Yeah.
- [47:35]
B
He was him. And the Five, definitely.
- [47:37]
A
But he is struggling on pit road and I think it's struggling. Well, I'm trying to be nice about it. Yeah, he's struggling on pit road. And Russell told us about this on earlier weeks ago during one of our Dirty Modo segments. How tough this, you know, how tough things had been on pit road for Blaney and how this crew struggling and it's really, really surprising. They lost 86 spots on pit road this season.
- [48:07]
B
I'm curious if that includes. Because I think he's had some penalties, too, but.
- [48:10]
A
Well, sure, but, but I mean, he was asked about it the other week, said the guys need reps. They want to give. Give him time to, you know, figure it out and when he feels like when the playoffs come around, they'll be ready to rock.
- [48:23]
C
But isn't that dumb? Because every point matters with this format. Look, take them from centric. Take him. Todd Gillen has a development team like you. You're screwing up your best chance to win a championship.
- [48:39]
B
Well, I don't think you can go rocking the boat like you think, Travis, because you got more than one team there as well. And I think if you, the coaches see the potential in the guys, sometimes it takes guys a little bit. Three months from now, this might be the fast growing road.
- [48:54]
A
There you go. I mean, I feel like that there's some I for. For right or wrong. There's probably some loyalty there, you know, Blaney. I don't believe Blaney is sitting there in the conversations around should they make a change? Should they not make a change? Blaney's basically saying, you know, I'm gonna leave that up to.
- [49:22]
B
It's not his area.
- [49:23]
A
No, I'm gonna leave it up to coaches, high level management. If they think somebody needs to change, they'll change it. But if they don't, until they do, I'm loyal to who's on my car.
- [49:36]
C
I am.
- [49:37]
A
I'm your guy. You're my guy. You may, you may not be hitting on all cylinders right now, but I
- [49:42]
B
believe in you, as he should be,
- [49:44]
A
and you're going to figure it out. And so I don't think that's lip service. I think that he genuinely feels that way. And you're. You ride or die with those guys until upper management makes a change. When they make a change, you got a new guy, you ride or die with your like. All right, man, let's get it. New guys here, come on in. This is a family. Let's get our ass, you know, in gear and get going. They got an issue, and they'll. I would have confidence that Penske could figure this out.
- [50:16]
C
You know, why wouldn't you, as a driver, though? And I believe you, and I get that that's what, like, the drivers kind of leave it. But why wouldn't you be more, like, hands on?
- [50:27]
A
Some are. Some are, like, you know, Harvick was very vocal about his crew at times. And, I mean, you know, I don't. Not that you can't be vocal on the radio when they don't have a great stop.
- [50:39]
C
I'm not saying vocal on radio. I'm saying, like, I was going to
- [50:41]
A
get there, okay, but I have to cross my T's and dot my eyes so that I don't get taken out of context. The. The. The thing is, Travis, when. When you get in the middle of determining a individual's role in an operation, you're taking on. You're assuming responsibility, you're assuming the. You're assuming also the fallout if it doesn't work. And, like, if you're not a expert at something, don't meddle. Like, I learned the hard way that I don't need to determine who my crew chief is. Right. I thought I could do. I thought I needed this or needed that, and I was absolutely wrong. And those are mistakes that are costly, Very costly. And so while you might not think it's a big deal to go, man, let's change this, right Front carrier, you know, this changer is not good. You know, whoever, right? You just pick a guy. Let's. Let's make a change there. That could send the wrong message to the other team, you know, the other guys on the crew. But what if they. What if they believe in this guy and they want to, you know, they need him. They think he's going to figure it out. And Blaney comes in there and. And shoehorns the guy out. Now the rest of the team's like, wow, Blaine, Blainey, he's not got our back.
- [52:05]
B
Yeah. You know, it changes a lot more than you think.
- [52:07]
C
Are we going to. Especially under this format, you're willing to risk losing points and, like, are we going to treat pit crews like. We all talk about how they're athletes, so let's treat them that way.
- [52:19]
B
But she's not. Like, you don't. It's not like you're going to take this. The guy out, put another guy, and it's like, oh, magically fix. It doesn't happen like that. Like, it. It's.
- [52:28]
A
Look, I hear you. I. Upper management Absolutely needs to tackle this situation. They have. There are people who. It's their job to make sure that that pit crew is badass. That guy, whoever he is in the role in the. In the organization, should be fixing this. It isn't Blaney's job. And so, you know, Blaney's got a ride and believe in and put his arms around the people that are going to the racetrack with him every week. And he's not. He's not sitting there looking at a chart of all of their guys and going, well, that's the guy we need. Let's take that guy off that car and put that guy on. He's not spending his days wondering about that and knowing that information. So, I mean, you're. You're. Why would Blaney walk in there and go. He might could go in and demand a change. He might be able to go into this person's office and say, fix my pit crew, damn it. Yeah, but. But it doesn't go any farther than that.
- [53:32]
B
Ryan Blaney is not having a terrible season.
- [53:35]
A
No, but, I mean, if the pit crew is an issue.
- [53:38]
B
Yeah.
- [53:38]
A
It might need a little attention.
- [53:41]
C
He could be probably, what, have 15 more points with this, like.
- [53:47]
A
Yeah. And, I mean, what if to TJ's point, you hung in there and they got it right with the people they have. How rewarding is that? Like, to. To. To see that person or that team jail come together, and when it comes. When it counts, they start to gain the spots, they start to win the races they need to win, you know?
- [54:10]
B
And it happens.
- [54:11]
A
It does happen. Just like Ty Gibbs, right? Nobody gave up on him, guys, not even in his prime yet. Nobody gave up on Byron. Nobody gave up on Logano.
- [54:24]
B
But the other side of that, Ty Gibbs makes a change now. He's knocking out top fives, you know what I mean? Like, but. But I do agree with the pickery thing. If they believe. And the pit crew deal, man, that's a. It's a. Those guys are. It's a very. There's a lot of athletes in there and a lot of really good guys, and I do believe that they have people in there they think is gonna eventually figure this out and, like.
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A
Like, they may make a change. But I'm just. I just. I don't know that it's Blaney who needs to be the, I don't think, catalyst of that change.
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B
You're putting a lot of weight on his shoulders when you start doing that.
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C
I mean, you're the star quarterback, though.
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A
He's not. He's a race car driver.
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B
Yeah. This is a coach's decision.
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A
It's a coach's decision.
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B
Yeah, tell him, T.J. well, I mean, the coach doesn't, you know, the quarterback
- [55:10]
C
doesn't, but who's got more power, the crew chief or Blaney?
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A
The crew chief.
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B
What do you mean?
- [55:17]
C
For going to.
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A
Changing the crew.
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C
Getting a change.
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B
Oh, crew chief. That's his job. That's his area. And then he goes to the pit coach.
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A
It's like literally in his title, but doesn't.
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C
But Blaney is the face. And if he's going and saying, hey,
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A
this all like, hey, what is he
- [55:35]
B
going that Blaney's not like. Blaney wants the best pit crew, and he has to trust the people at Penske and the people there, which they have great people. They're going to figure it out. It's not like they don't know what they're doing.
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C
They're. We think they're going to figure it out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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B
They will figure it out.
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A
They'll figure it. Pinsky.
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B
I know.
- [55:50]
A
They're like, geez, he's hard headed, D.J.
- [55:55]
B
he is. He's Denny, bro.
- [55:57]
C
Nothing to do with Denny.
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B
I know. I'm just messing with you. Just so your. Your name, crew chief.
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A
Hey, how about Riley Herbs this weekend?
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B
What about him?
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A
You're on. Pretty good.
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B
Was he.
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A
Did he ran pretty good?
- [56:10]
B
No, he wasn't. Yeah, no, Riley was running great. Qualified, really good.
- [56:14]
A
Qualified good.
- [56:15]
B
He did, yeah, he did a great job.
- [56:18]
A
Pretty interesting turn.
- [56:19]
B
Kyle had enough of Kyle, so he turned him. Yeah.
- [56:23]
A
Do you think he did? What happened between them?
- [56:26]
B
I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell if he was just trying to get a little bit every lap and he got too close right in the middle of three and four and bumped Kyle because it wasn't like he just went down to the corner and sent him like we saw earlier.
- [56:39]
A
But did Kyle spin herps out later?
- [56:42]
B
I think he did. It looked like it, yeah.
- [56:45]
A
So you can't keep up with us.
- [56:47]
B
So right there, like, yeah, I don't
- [56:49]
C
deny said that he was told to, like, pack some air on him, and I think he just got too close and bumped him.
- [56:53]
B
I don't think he meant to spit him out.
- [56:55]
A
No. Let's see. I didn't get to see what Was
- [56:58]
B
Denny talking to him during the race?
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C
I wasn't talking to him during.
- [57:02]
A
He's saying Denny on his show said,
- [57:05]
B
yeah, I mean, I. That's what I'M saying Riley's trying to get every foot he can get to get the right angle down. You know what I mean?
- [57:10]
A
Content.
- [57:12]
B
Oh, more contact and more contact. Old Bristol and more contact.
- [57:17]
A
That one wreck where SVG spun out and backed her up. Oh, yeah, that was a old style 1985 Bristol crash.
- [57:25]
B
They're still coming. They're still in.
- [57:26]
A
Yeah. So do you have a video of Kyle retaliating or doing whatever. There it is. Yeah, yeah. You got him.
- [57:34]
B
Yeah, yeah, he got him.
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A
Spun him down the front straight away.
- [57:37]
B
Oh.
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A
Oh, he's on him in the corner. Gave him a pop right there in the middle.
- [57:41]
B
He's packing air and he's listening.
- [57:42]
A
He's like, wow, you're getting it.
- [57:43]
B
Yeah. Riley did wiggle and give him the chance to get right there. And Kyle did a good job of.
- [57:49]
A
Oh, boom.
- [57:52]
B
Yeah, that's not too bad. No. Did you know that Chase Elliott wrecked on the coming.
- [57:58]
A
I heard.
- [57:59]
B
I saw it and I thought, yeah, he wrecked down and was spun out and he kept going, but he just got loose off of four and spun down to the whole front stretch.
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A
Oh, here's Kyle Bush's radio.
- [58:08]
C
I know you're frustrated. Us yelling at each other during the race isn't going to help.
- [58:11]
A
Help.
- [58:12]
C
We're in this together. That was as a spotter telling Pullman, like, it's just. And Pullman says it's the same every week.
- [58:19]
A
Oh.
- [58:20]
B
Oof.
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A
I.
- [58:21]
B
It reminds me a lot of the digital radios. Yeah.
- [58:24]
A
Yeah. It reminds me a lot of a particular crew chief that I worked with. And you and him would have.
- [58:32]
B
Oh, we would argue a couple times.
- [58:33]
A
Absolutely different. I would have a conversation with him on the radio about the car. We're struggling. We're not good. This is this, this and that, this and that. Talking about balance, handling things we're trying to change. And then you and him would have a conversation on the other side of, like, why the is this thing doing this? Why is he doing that? Why is it driving that way? Why does he choose? Why does he run there? Why does he do that?
- [58:57]
B
Oh, the one time I got told to just. It was the fontana race where we stayed out on tires and I was like, we had 10 laps on our tires and we went. And you chose the top. We went into one. I knew it was gonna happen. I mean, down the front stretch, we're like, already 20th, and he's like, on the digital. I was like, why don't you tell him to let everybody go by? And I'm like, really? I'm like, why don't you keep them telling yourself? That's what I told him.
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A
Yeah.
- [59:20]
B
So that was probably the. But I didn't. I did enjoy the digital because we could talk a lot of. About YouTube.
- [59:27]
A
I know it. And I had no idea it was going on. And y' all would come on my radio and be nice to me.
- [59:33]
B
It's like, good job, good quarter, man. What the hell's he doing? Like, yeah, that was fun.
- [59:39]
A
Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Lance McGrew. My old buddy Lance McGrew. I still talk to Lance. I know he's out there doing. He's out there. He's out there doing it. We were friends, and we are friends. Yeah.
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B
Lance, good guy.
- [59:50]
A
Yeah, we had some tough years racing, but, yeah, it is what it is. I don't. I don't have any sour feelings.
- [59:57]
B
No. Lance is a good guy, but that
- [59:58]
A
was exactly like the Lance McGrew relationship. Lance comes in, he's trying his ass off. We'd have a great conversation, even when we were struggling. We'd have a conversation about how. What. What could we do to fix the car. We're frustrated, but it. It was not like we were yelling at each other. And then you and him would go on channel two and just be disgusted. And this is exactly what it was like.
- [60:21]
B
I never really. I never really cussed. I never really downed you. Too bad.
- [60:25]
A
No, I'm just saying, like, y' all would just. It was not. You wouldn't have the. You know, you would.
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B
We wouldn't say it on one.
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A
You had a filter when you're on one.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I think the difference with this is, like. Yeah, this is something. The issues they're having, a lot of people are having on Sunday, but for them, it's multiple weeks now, so it's not just a one off.
- [60:46]
B
Yeah, it's hard. They just need to. I'll tell you what sucks is the way this. And I wish it was different, you know, in some sense is the way that you. If you lose momentum and have a bad race, you get the bad qualifying deal the next week, and it's just so hard to come back out of that.
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A
That's what Josh Berry told me.
- [61:04]
B
So hard.
- [61:05]
A
I wish they could fix it. Yeah. Josh Berry told me that the. The having to go out early and qualifying and not being not. You know, that is the hardest thing to overcome.
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B
It is.
- [61:15]
A
Yeah.
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B
You get. You're starting.
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A
Starting the back. Bad.
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B
Bad pit stop.
- [61:19]
A
Bad pit stall.
- [61:20]
B
Yep.
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A
Start in the back, which then.
- [61:22]
B
Bad pit stop. You go in There you don't have the greatest stall. You get jammed in sometimes. You lose two, three spots every time. All the guys you work that run,
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A
the pass, it perpetuates itself.
- [61:31]
B
Yes.
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A
And you don't get out of that cycle. And you go into the next race qualifying early and getting a bad stall. Qualifying in the back.
- [61:39]
B
And you have to just put together the perfect race once. But then it's still hard because you don't. Obviously, when you start in the back, you don't get a chance to run a fast lap most of the time. Most fast laps are run from front and clean air.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And early in the race, you don't have a chance to do that, which adds into the formula. I just. Honestly, I miss. I miss random draw for qualifying. I'll be honest. So.
- [62:01]
A
Yeah, I do, too. I think that they should. You should qualify points.
- [62:08]
B
Qualified by points.
- [62:10]
A
Yeah. Starting the fastest cars first, the best cars first.
- [62:16]
B
I think you just random it. I mean, but you could do the fast cars first.
- [62:20]
A
But I mean, random sounds fun, too.
- [62:22]
B
Random is just. Everyone's got a shot every week.
- [62:24]
A
Yeah.
- [62:25]
B
You know what I mean? You get the right draw, you get that late draw, everyone. You kind of. You circle cars going down the qualifying order. Oh, that car. Ryan Newman. You knew, like, when Ryan Newman went outlet, you're like, oh, that's one we got to look for right here.
- [62:36]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. If they, like, televised it, like, here's at least streaming. Yeah. YouTube. Who cares?
- [62:43]
C
Yeah, put it on there. I mean, Kyle Larson's going out third.
- [62:47]
A
Yeah.
- [62:48]
B
Does it not. Is a. Let me ask you this. If they did that as a broadcaster, would that be exciting for you to. To.
- [62:54]
A
Yeah, sure.
- [62:55]
B
You know, because you'd have to go down that list, be like, yeah, this guy's gonna be fast, late. We gotta go for him.
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A
I can have fun with that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. Well, one last order of business before we move on. The Talladega stage links for the cup race will be different. 98 laps in stage one, then 45, 45. You won't need to stop fuel in the final two stages. They're trying to do something about less fuel. You're trying to do something to get rid of the fuel savings. This won't do it. They know that. They know that. That's not going to, like, remove it entirely. That's fine. But they're just trying to get it to where at least the hard racing is at the back end of the race. So the race is going to start. Guys are going to save fuel in stage one. And the hope is is that once they're beyond that stage, they won't need to save any longer. We'll just have to see how that kind of works out.
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C
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- [66:36]
A
we have another guest caller today and this is, this is going to be a lot of fun for me and tj. We have talked about our cards and getting back into collecting over the last several months and had a lot of fun with that. Ripped some packs yesterday, probably gonna rip some more today. And you know how our phones are. They're always listening and my phone's been sending me all these cool videos and different content creators and so forth out there making some great stuff. One of them in particularly is King of the Cards and that is Kyle Kravitz. Is that, am I pronouncing that right? Kyle?
- [67:15]
D
You got it. Good morning.
- [67:17]
A
Good morning.
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B
How you doing, man?
- [67:18]
A
I know that this is last minute and I can't thank you enough for coming on this show and talking to us. I know you're an established collector out there. I've seen a lot of your content over the last couple of months. I love your disposition. I love how you treat your fans and folks that want to come up and talk to you at the shows.
- [67:39]
B
Videos are entertaining, videos are great.
- [67:42]
A
So basically my hope is that you would come on the show at another date to where we could talk at length. But we're going to do a quick surface level 10 minutes here around collecting to give you a little bit of a background. Back in 1987ish, I got into the car collecting with my friends when I was in school, got a bunch of the, you know, tops 87 stuff all the way up through 92, 91 upper deck. And then I just quit. I don't know why or whatever, but I just, I put all that stuff away and didn't touch it for 30 years. The fun part was getting it all back out and actually going through the collection and seeing what I had, what was worth anything and what I might, what I might want to do with it. And what it did was draw me right back into the, the hobby. And man, is it changed to have been completely away from it for, for 30 years. And I mean, you even have your own language now. There's all these terms and Things that I'm having to learn. But you're looking at two guys that are absolute novices. Like, I've never been to a show.
- [68:51]
B
Yeah, we've never been to a card show for sure.
- [68:53]
A
I'm just learning what case hits are and blaster packs and all those things.
- [68:57]
D
Right, we'll change all that. That's what I'm here for.
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A
So if you, you know, when you meet folks that are sort of new to collecting, what's some good advice? What are some. I imagine you want to kind of establish first what kind of collect you are. But what, what are some good things to, to think about?
- [69:15]
D
Well, I, I think simply enough, start slow, right? I think a lot of people jump in and right now you're seeing a lot of big price tags on things, right. So it can get a little intimidating and people jump in and they buy big time boxes. They don't hit what they want to. They buy a big time card, it goes down in value. I say start slow, learn first. You don't need to jump right in and be spending money. Maybe the best thing to do is actually go to a show, not buy anything, watch videos and don't buy anything yet. I think learning is the most important thing up front. Secondly, I tell people, figure out what you're trying to do. If you're trying to collect, then collecting is about just passion. That's love. Like my collection does not look like the hundred thousand, $200,000 deals that you see sometimes throughout the whole video. I have $10 cards that mean the world to me. That's. They're very different ball games that you're playing. They're the guys I grew up watching. It's my, my favorite something that stuck out to me aesthetically. The card's beautiful. It comes from a rare set that I fell in love with with. Very different. If you are trying to trade your way up, whole different story. I tell people, look, don't complicate it. Don't prospect. Buy for X and sell for Y. That's it. How many times can you do that? You won't be perfect. Just win more than you lose. Can you buy something for 80 bucks and sell it for a hundred? Can you buy something for it? Depends on your budget. Are you working with 50 grand that you could easily, easily tie up and turn it into 55 and trade it up to the cards that you want? People have different approaches and I'm obviously a mix of both, right. Like I'm hobbyist first, I'm a collector first, but I have the business side of it, you have to figure out what your goal is. So start slow, figure out what your angle is. And if you're collecting, collect what you love. And if you're trying to make money, keep it simple. Don't gamble, don't guess. Just take it from extra the Y.
- [71:11]
A
What is the best way for a collector to establish value of a card? Like, you know, say I'm, say I'm wanting a specific card. I go on ebay, you know, there's four or five, 10, maybe 100 of those cars listed, right. How do I, what are the. Is it apps? Is it. How do I establish sort of where I'm comfortable spending?
- [71:34]
D
So that's usually the toughest thing for most coming in and there's no perfect answer. But the closest thing to perfect that I have found is Card Ladder is my favorite and I partner with them and they do a phenomenal job compiling data from all auction houses websites into one platform. So I love utilizing that. People do use ebay sales but sometimes the data isn't curated well enough. And what I mean by that is they won't remove certain sales that actually don't end up getting paid for. Gets, you know, it's not perfect anywhere, but it's a little less perfect there because it can easily be manipulated. People go on there, they, they bid on cards and they don't pay for them and they run up a value of a card they have. It's not a perfect world in terms of valuing cards and people figuring out values. But the closest thing to it, like I said, Card Ladder has been really the only app that I found to be the top tier reliable. It's the best one out there. So I use that. When you see me making those deals, we even sometimes like pop the values or the previous sales on the screen so people can see. It just gives you an idea, idea of what you're working with. I've had the same thing happen like I just mentioned of, okay, great, I got a value from Card Ladder and you know, we end up making the deal and little did I know the next one runs for auction for two thirds of that. You got to be careful. Like I said, it's a humbling experience. You learn a lot throughout it. There's no perfect way.
- [73:07]
A
What about, do you have any kind of like protocol or personal sort of code that you amend to when determining how much you're willing to spend on a card? So say you do determine the cards worth a hundred bucks, right? You know, are and I, this is something that I kind of am challenged with. I, I'll look around at different. I'll find a couple different data points from different apps or ebay or what have you about a value of a card, and then I'll go somewhere to actually try to purchase the card. And it's more by, you know, it's 20 or $30 more than, than what it's being listed for. How do you justify, like, because you, you know, it might take a card a while to gain that much value, right? So in some places you see cards listed at value. Other places you see cards listed quite a bit over value. What's a collector to do in those situations?
- [74:04]
D
Well, it's kind of what I was just pointing at, that the value is arbitrary, right? It's whatever, whatever you make it, whatever collector is willing to pay for it. It's not like an Amazon or something like that job opportunity, you know, trust me, if I try that, it shows. I'd get kicked between the legs. But it's, it's a complicated answer because it, I've had people, you know, do both. They, they try to sell me something and I say, look, there's, there's one listed here that I just found on this side. And, you know, I don't think I could do that knowing that's listed. And then they go two booths over. And since the last sale was, was higher, they got paid more than that. And nobody's wrong, Nobody's wrong. It's just, there's not going to be a perfect number. And not everybody uses every platform. So knowledge is power, right? The more you utilize, the more data and info you can gather. What's out there, what's listed, what's sold, and that's going to help you make those kind of decisions. But I don't want to say it's an advantage, but it is. The more info that you can gain, the more knowledge you have, the better position you're in to make an educated purchase or sale.
- [75:18]
A
I've not sent anything to PSA yet or the other various organizations that do grade cards, but I want to. I'm excited about that opportunity to see what, what gets returned to me. What's the advice to individuals that have never been involved in sending cards to grade? I've watched a few YouTube videos. People are out there giving a lot of great information on how to prep your cards and how they prefer them to be delivered to graders. But what cards should I send in? How do you make the decision on what card goes and what card does it?
- [75:58]
D
Well, it Depends on the value of the card. And then it depends to me on the values of that card potentially in certain grades. Right. And you have to know what to look for. Condition wise, you're looking at the centering, the corners, the surface and the edges. But once you figure that out, I promise that part is not rocket science to me. Grading is deriving value. And the only other reason to grade a card is to protect it.
- [76:25]
A
Right.
- [76:26]
D
To put it in some kind of casing. And that's an expensive casing right now. So if it's for your collection, I don't know that I'd grade it unless there's intent to sell now or at some point. If you do want to do that, you're looking at here. Here's another one. This card right here, Top young hockey prospect in the game. I'm a fan of his, but this card, last sold, it was a $15,000 sale publicly.
- [76:54]
A
Right.
- [76:55]
D
If I'm just using that as a stagnant example, and that's the only one that surfaced, it's numbered to 10. It's tough to come across. The first one that gets graded, that'll hit the market. Probably any grade, let's say it gets a 9, it'll probably do 18 to 20,000. It'll get a bump just for having it graded. It will be expensive to grade due to its value if it gets a 10. If it's only 10, could be 25, $30,000 card because it's going to differentiate from the others. And then it comes down to how well that card typically grades. That card is subject to a lot of edge chipping. It's just the way that it's printed and produced. If there's only 110 and you have it, whole different ballgame now that there's a huge premium to collectors, let's say out of the 10 copies in the report that you can look up online, you see that seven of the 10 have been graded. And out of the seven that have been graded, six of them got nines, but one got a 10. That 10 on a high end card, forget 25 to 30, it might be 35 to 40. That's just kind of the premium that collectors put on these things and the way they differentiate markets, at least right now.
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A
Wow. Well, man, last question before we turn you loose, man. This has been so helpful and I've really enjoyed it. What's the Holy Grail card for you? Do you own it? And if not, what is the card that you want to have in your collection?
- [78:20]
D
Oh, I. I get Asked this as much as anything and. And there are too many to choose from. I have an all time favorite and it is just a favorite and you can find it and everyone can enjoy it together. But the Billy Ripken F face.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [78:38]
D
You said you like junk wax, so I just think the story behind that, so funny. And I, I have a few copies and I have a few signed copies, and I got to sit down with the man himself, Billy Ripken, a couple years back, and we opened a box of 89 FLIR, hunting it down from an error case. He's a funny guy and he gave me a very hard time as we were doing it too. We end up not finding him. And it was definitely a resealed box. That's the sad part with.
- [79:10]
A
Oh, yes.
- [79:10]
D
People peeled those open and those then reseal them and we got stuck with that one. While I'm sitting there with the guy himself, I'm like, mathematically, man, we're, we're gonna hit it. We have to hit it.
- [79:20]
E
Yeah.
- [79:20]
D
And meanwhile, we're just hitting like random base cards of his brother, and I'm just rolling my eyes, but he was a character. And just to say I did that with him makes that card that much cooler for me because we asked him if he's ever done it before, and that was the only time he's ever done it. So legendary card, fun story. But that's one. Every time I see it in a case, I smile.
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A
I bought that car two weeks ago. And so, yeah, I remember that card from my childhood and never thought I would own one. And it was just as mythical then when it came out, it was just as mythical for us as kids in high school as it is today.
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B
Is there a card you're hunting right now?
- [80:02]
A
Well, I'll tell you what I did. I. I'm very. I have a bit of an addictive personality. And so when I got back into collecting cards, I, as I said, love the junk wax. So I would go on and look for, you know, cheap 20 boxes of sealed stuff. I think I did actually get a couple of boxes of resealed flir stuff as well. But so I've got a ton of junk wax at the house just to open up for fun. But the one I, I established an objective and what I did was I compiled a list of about 80 athletes that I want to own a card of that's graded, and I'm. I've actually set a price range of 50 to 150 to $150 per card. I'll have to exceed that with some particular athletes because they just won't have nines or tens and at that level. But I'm trying to keep my. My spending modest, but also build is. Build a really neat collection and have a graded card of, like, maybe the top eight. I basically went through and did a lot of work with AI and a couple other things to determine the 80 athletes whose cards most likely will improve in value over time. And it's all names you'd absolutely recognize. Yeah, and. And that's. That's gave me, like, a purpose, like a. Like an objective. And I can slow play that and have fun in the game and not. Not be out there aimlessly just, you know, spending money on a card that I have no idea whether I really want it or not, you know, because I'm not going to probably go to a lot of shows with my schedule. I'm not gonna. You know, I'm just. I'm only collecting to keep. Right. I'm not gonna turn around and sell stuff. So I needed to sort of slow it down a little bit because I was just going to end up with a bunch of junk quacks. Base cards. Kyle, thank you so much for giving us some time today. That was so, so nice of you to come on the show. And I know. I know you got a lot going on. King of the cards on Instagram, TikTok. This guy has tons of great content. If you are interested in collecting or want to learn more, he is absolutely a must follow. Love what you're doing out there. Hopefully we'll get to meet one day, get you back on the show, man. Thank you.
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D
We get you. We get you out to a card show and looking forward to making a deal.
- [82:26]
A
Awesome, man. All right, Kyle. Thank you.
- [82:28]
B
See you, man. Thanks.
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A
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C
All right, so first question we. I see we have a new addition to the set on the Red Bull fridge.
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A
Yeah.
- [83:28]
C
What is that hat there?
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A
A fan brought this and gave it to me. All right, I got it. Snappy little case right here. This is kind of like a PSA case for hats. I guess it's dad's hat from. I would say this is probably 1979, could be 1980. But the car on the patch is his rookie car and Oldsmobile 442. It's even got dad's autograph. And that's a legit Earnhardt autograph. Almost faded out in ink. You know, hats were a lot of fun back in the day. Richard Petty had a hat like this as well. Red and blue. And that's what that is, man. Pretty cool.
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B
It's a pretty cool case.
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A
Yeah. We get some cool stuff. Fans will give me some stuff out there. And we've set. We put. We put it right in here. We've got a couple different things that fans have brought to the. To the studio. And we'll put it. We'll put it in here.
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C
Fallout Boy 9424 wants.
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A
No.
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C
Do you still have the good wrench pit crew suit you wore as a kid?
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A
No. Oh, man. So it's a real possibility that the person who owns that is going to hear this or listening to this right now. But I went. I did not. So I don't know how that got out of my possession. I don't know. I was. I was. I wasn't someone that would sell that stuff. Maybe I did, but don't remember selling it ever. I don't know why I would sell it or think someone would want to buy it. Right. But. But I remember when I lived at my dad's, all of that stuff was in my closet and it was in the back of the closet. And so when I left my dad's house and moved out of there, I didn't. I must have not taken everything. And I don't remember taking that and keeping it. I moved to a double wide trailer. Didn't have much closet space, so I wasn't going to. I didn't have storage or anything like that. So I didn't take a lot of stuff out of my childhood bedroom. I left it. And I never really returned back to that lake house to retrieve anything. But anyways, that was the last I remember seeing that. That uniform and I had that. I was wearing that when I was 14, 15, you know, or so when I started. When I turned 16. I never went to the racetrack with that anymore. I didn't wear that uniform anymore. So that was like 13, 14, 15 years old. I was in an autograph session. This was probably six years ago, maybe eight years ago. I feel like it was somewhere like Minnesota or Pittsburgh or somewhere up north. And I was in a stadium, one of the. I was in the city in a football stadium signing autographs, and it was like an auto show. There was an auto fair going on, and there was cars all over the place and booths and tents and stuff. And I went on. It was out, open, open arena, football arena and maybe where the Vikings play or something like that. And so weather was great. I'm sitting there signing autographs on stage and at this table, and this guy and his son walk up and laid that uniform right down on the table in front of me. And without thinking, I signed it. What I should have done was offered them whatever it took to get it back because my name's on the collar. It was legit. And. But I signed it. And they. We talked about it. I was. Obviously had a reaction like, holy moly, what the. You know, and we talked about it for a minute or two, and then they walked away. And having signed it and written my name on it, I don't want it now. I don't. I don't know why. I just feel like that now. I don't. Now that I've signed it, I don't want it unsigned. I would have probably tried to buy it back from them, but. And I do that. I've. I. Somebody had one of my old sundrop doors off of my late model stock car from 1994, and it had my autograph on it. I bought the door, cleaned the autograph off of it.
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C
I mean, that's understandable.
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A
Yeah. Because I don't. Yeah. Like, when it's. If I sign a clothing item, fabric, hat or something like that, then I don't want it. But what's different for you? Yeah. So there. That's kind of how I'm at peace with it, but, man. And I don't think that there was but one or two of them in existence. The other one, if there is more than one, it's probably in dad's closet. Dad has a closet on the DEI property, and it has mine and Kelly's military uniforms in it from military school. It has all types of stuff like things like that in there. So I'm. I'm sure that there's a. There's another one or two in existence, and it's probably in Dad's. Possession, wherever his stuff.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
- [88:52]
C
Your cars Tour celebration victory lane. How fun was that? Getting to spray some.
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A
That was great. We won. We won the race as the owner of the car and the sponsor of the car.
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C
Who was the sponsor?
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Jerky boys. So I drove in the race on the series on the winning car and then sponsored the winning car. Like, what else could there be?
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C
Yeah, that's the first.
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A
Being the sponsor covered all the bases. I was joking with Kaden. We got up there, and they gave us a couple of bottles of spray. I tried to get his dad to spray the bottle that I had, but his dad, Travis, wouldn't do it. He's like, no, you do it. You do it. And I'm like, hey, Kaden, what you got there? Grape juice. You have to work to get that stuff to spray because he's not 21. Yeah, yeah. Ha ha. Dad joke.
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C
We got it.
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A
I heard a good dad joke while I was at Nashville fairgrounds, and I hope the fan that told me this is listening. We signed an autograph for the Jerky Boys. Tent selling jerky. We sold a ton of jerky. Everybody that tried the jerky there said it was the greatest jerky in the whole world, which I knew they would say. And this. I said, hey, man, how you doing? He said, fine. If I was any finer, you wouldn't be able to see me. I thought that was a great joke.
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B
Oh, my gosh.
- [90:11]
A
Usually you hear things like, fine, fine as frog hair, or fine, something like that, but. But if I was any finer, you wouldn't even be able to see me. I was like, wow. Did a piano string.
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B
Did you know that it's really hard.
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A
Check out this idea.
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B
Oh, no.
- [90:28]
A
So I got in. We've. We've been talking about collecting cards, right? I got a couple of rack packs here that I'm gonna open up at the end of the show. But we were talking about collecting cards. And when. When I collected cars in the. In the 80s and 90s, there weren't any variant cards in the packs. There weren't like, autographs or one of ones or one of 99s or nothing. You just had base cards. And that was pretty much it. And so now you know that I got into it, and I'm like, wow, they got all these different cards for everybody and all. And I've kind of knew this because I've been signing cards for a while, but I never really thought much about it. Well, Amy, my wife, she rolled her eyes at this idea, but I think I want to put it out there and get the temperature of everybody. Think about it like this. When we went over to the Jerky Boys to sign autographs, I had a stack of postcards. Nobody wanted a postcard. They wanted me to sign the bag of jerky. And so I thought, man, what if I sign a thousand bags of jerky and we drop one of those in every 500 shipments? And we do like a, you know, so. So we do like a five month or a three month sweepstakes where, hey man, if you order from us, it might be in there in your box. We're just gonna, we're gonna drop one of those in there. And so maybe, you know, that would be exciting for people when they order their jerky or they're getting their subscription that they have and they open the box and there's a signed bag in there. The next level was that we would make gold bags. Oh, do one Willy Wonka.
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B
Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought right away.
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A
One of 50 or one of 10 and you get it. And the bag is label and everything on it.
- [92:12]
B
What if you just put a new bag in there? Sign, not put jerky in a bag. Just put it in there with the shipment. Because wouldn't it like, if you kind of rip the bag open, are you gonna eat it?
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A
Don't eat it. Well, if I, I. Well, that's what Amy said. And I said, well, damn, I'll just throw a free bag of jerky in there. So if you get 10 bags, the 11th one will be signed. So we fixed that. But think about like if the, the whole bag was gold except for, you know, the little see through. To see the jerky. Like coming up with some variant. Yeah. Bags.
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B
I mean, is it. What if you get the gold bag? Do you get to go to the factory? I mean, yes. You're gonna roll out, dude. On the carpet.
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A
Yes. Come limping. Yeah.
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B
I.
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A
How.
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B
Got a golden ticket.
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A
Yeah. Yes. Like we could do some stuff like that. I'm like, wow, man, this is so fun thinking about ideas.
- [93:01]
B
Pressed all these buttons, Charlie.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And his lazy grandpa comes out and nowhere. Hasn't moved in years.
- [93:06]
A
What happens when we go through the. That was the only part we did we talk about it on here. That was the weirdest part about the chocolate factory movie was at the end when they're getting ready to take the thing through the ceiling.
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C
Yeah.
- [93:20]
A
The Wonka V. And he's like, what happens when we go through the ceiling? He's like, I don't know. Might cut us to shreds. I was like, this is a really, really good movie till this moment. Now I'm worried that they're going to literally die at the very end of the movie.
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B
You're gonna have fizzy lifting drink.
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A
All right,
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B
go with the gold bag.
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A
Next one I like. We could do both. Why can't you do it?
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B
All right, you could, I guess you
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C
could do one sweepstake and then a couple months later do another one. Like, it doesn't have to be a.
- [93:50]
A
But the gold bag. That's cool. I want to have some fun.
- [93:55]
C
Let's do it.
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A
Shipping people regular bags is great, but it's not as fun as throwing in some co bags, man.
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C
I agree.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I don't know who asked us in the chat, but he said, if you had to watch the movie every day, would you rather be smoking the Bandit? Bandit or Cannonball Run?
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A
Oh, man. Oh, no. He didn't give us a racing movie.
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C
Well, that's fine.
- [94:23]
B
Six packers show grace, right?
- [94:25]
A
Yeah. Well, you're right. There you go. Six packer struck her ace.
- [94:28]
C
Why does it have to be a racing movie?
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A
We love racing.
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B
Yeah. I mean, we're interested in it.
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A
So what were the two choices?
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C
Cannonball Runner. Smoking the Bandit.
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A
Smoking the Bandit.
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B
Yeah. Be hard to go against that. Cannonball runs pretty good, though.
- [94:41]
A
Smoking the Bandit. Easy.
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B
It's definitely easier to. I guess it's a good movie.
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A
Cannonball runs a little chaotic.
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B
There's a lot.
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A
Smoking the Bandit is a lot of switching around. Smoking the man is just straight ass cool all 100 of the time.
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B
Cannonball runs.
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A
Cannonball runs a little different in his own way. Cannonball Run is like the inside of Clint Boyer's brain. It's all over the place. It is. There's a lot of different characters and celebrity cameos and, yeah, there's.
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B
Everyone's on a different car and a different skit.
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A
Yeah. They're all.
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B
It's all over the place.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So answer your. Your racing question, though. The two movies, which one?
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A
Oh, if I had to watch a racing movie over and over, which one would it be?
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C
Every day.
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A
Every day. I gotta tell y', all, man. Last American Hero. It's old.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's dated. But Jeff Bridges, lead actor, not a bad deal there. Ralph Earnhardt's got a cameo in there driving his little car at Concord or Metrolina. And I feel like that even though the storyline, even though the script is a bit dated, like, it's. It's a very. They made it. They didn't have, like, a robust bank account to make this money or make this movie. And some of the, you know, some of the conversation is a little, I don't know, arcadic and not. If you can see through that part of it. That movie gets it right. Like the plight of the racer. The, the. It's not. There's not a lot of Hollywood in there. There's not a lot of fluff or make believe or twisting or convoluting the story. So I love the Junior Jackson's path to try to get into racing and get through into the top and the cars and the way people acted and everything and the challenges that he had trying to get out of the, you know, the steel. The steel and the moonshine business. I just thought it was a great story. Yeah. Good soundtrack.
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B
Six Packs. Probably similar, isn't it?
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A
Six Pack is very, I mean, real Disney, like. And make believe. Like Kenny Roger.
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B
I was gonna say like the, the path though, like.
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A
No, but.
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B
Yeah, you're right.
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A
Kenny Rogers.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I love Six Pack. It's badass. The theme song, love will turn you around. Hey, love that song. That's a. That's in my top 10. I love it. But. And breezy. Like Diane Lane. I mean it's a great movie. Love it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
The kids being the crew, all that. But it's like, it's a little bit Disney. Like. Like a. Disney, like a non car too.
- [97:38]
B
What about. What is it? Grease Lightning or.
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A
Grease Lightning is great.
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B
Yeah, I liked that one. Richard Pryor, he's awesome in it.
- [97:44]
A
In a drama, not a comedy. Yeah, like it's Richard Pryor. Like we know Richard Pryor is like the. One of the greatest comedians ever, but this is Richard Pryor playing Wendell Scott in, in a non comedic role, period.
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B
And really good movie.
- [97:58]
A
Very good movie. Yeah, I would say that Grease Lightning is probably number two.
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B
Yeah, I like.
- [98:02]
A
And they're. They're Greased Lightning and the last American hero. Almost from the same era time frame, like year. And they're just because there's no. It's not dressed up or it's not like when you go to Days of Thunder. Great movie. But there's a lot of sensationalism and stretching of the truth in terms of, you know, how things happened or would have happened.
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C
What's your Mount Rushmore of Arcade Games?
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A
Damn. Oh yeah.
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B
Billy's NASCAR challenge. Yeah, that would be up there on mine. Yeah, that was pretty good.
- [98:38]
A
I would say. Yes, I would put Bill Elliot's NASCAR challenge in the top three.
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B
Grand Theft Auto.
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A
I mean Arcade though.
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B
I mean you gotta.
- [98:51]
A
Yeah. Because Bill Snatch Car challenge didn't come out on. So Mike Tyson's Punch Out.
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B
Mike Tyson.
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A
That would be number one. The. Not the golden tea, but the bowling. I didn't ever really like Golden Tea, but it played a ton of it. But I love bowling. I have that at home. I have this bowling game, Lucky Strike, so it's called. That would be on during COVID I took Isla downstairs to the bowling game and we played it every day and she got really good for a two, two and a half, three year old.
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B
So these are all considered arcades, I guess. Donkey Kong Classic. Oh, yeah. Jam was good.
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A
They need to be something you'd find at an arcade on a machine that you have. Yeah. So Mike Tyson Punch Out. I mean, for Lucky Strike bowling, for
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B
me it would be. Does that make it.
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A
Does that Mickey Thompson, that steering wheels.
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B
It was like four and one. Deal.
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A
Yeah. Yep.
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B
That when you walked into an arcade and saw that there, you're like, oh, I'm playing that. Yeah, absolutely. Played it.
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A
Yep. I'd add that one. Yeah, there you go. Tj, did you do three?
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B
I mean, I had two. I would do. I mean, I feel like Frogger is up there as well. It's just an original.
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C
The classic.
- [100:06]
B
Yeah. I don't know how you like. Everyone knows what Frogger is.
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C
The best is when the. The kids are little and the parents just let them sit there and act like they're playing the game and it's just.
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A
Oh, yeah, they're not real.
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C
Entertain them for mint.
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B
Like.
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A
Yeah, covered. Yeah.
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B
I liked Cruising USA too. I don't. I mean that one.
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A
I remember that name, but I don't remember how that game came out.
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B
On Nintendo, I think as well, but.
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A
Okay.
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C
What about Mortal Kombat?
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B
No, I never got into Mortal.
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A
All right, well.
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C
Well, that's your question.
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A
Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate everybody tuning in. It's a lot of fun. Great conversation. Little quick ass Junior and had fun doing that. Thank you. Xfinity for. For everything you guys do. They're waving the red flag on Internet price hikes and they are waving the green flag on savings.
- [100:56]
B
TJ Waving the green.
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A
They are. You get speed, you get the reliable WI fi that you want to have. And it's only one price locked in for five years. They're not going to bump the price. No surprises. All that good stuff. Right to victory lane with Xfinity. Imagine that. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Place your bets. Get your bets down, ladies and gentlemen. Get your. We're here at the Dirty Mojo segment. Things are on the up and up. Brought to you by fanduel fanduel is the premier gaming destination in the United States. I did not. I did not gamble this weekend. I wanted to. I did, but I had so much anxiety over my race at Nashville that I could not even think about doing.
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B
Really. Yeah. No time either. All that practice.
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A
I couldn't. I couldn't. Ever had a chance to put. Put a bed in. We were practicing. Great job by you, Russell for picking the basically telling us we should bet golf clap. Yeah, we should bet Mr. Gibbs.
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C
He's not getting full credit.
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A
Okay.
- [102:53]
C
I sent him a text.
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A
Here we go.
- [102:55]
C
I asked him, I said, what do we think about Ross Chastain vs Carson Hosavar or Chase Elliott vs Carsonos of our Chase is getting plus money quote bet the house, okay? Oh, we don't have a house now.
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A
Oh, man. We. We have bet the house.
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B
Your house spun out.
- [103:11]
C
It would be okay till he spun out. He was never in front of.
- [103:14]
B
Yeah, I don't think he was okay. I don't think he was okay when they stayed out.
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C
Yeah, and then he dropped.
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B
He's right. You can't hide on this one, Russ.
- [103:24]
A
Well, we're going. We're going to Kansas. Denny Hamlin is the favorite. Damn it. Look, I like Denny, but damn, I'm sick of him being the favorite all the time.
- [103:34]
B
Zane, good stuff. And he's good. It's hard to be the favorite.
- [103:38]
A
I know. But it's tough for our betters because they bet on him and then he doesn't win.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Travis, I don't know what you're looking. Fix it for.
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B
Yeah.
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C
What's wrong?
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B
What's wrong with Denny?
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A
Fix Denny.
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C
Yeah, it's not my fault.
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B
With the wrong people.
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C
Darlington.
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A
Okay.
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B
Sorry.
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A
Denny's at plus 500. Christopher Bell plus 550. Kyle Larson 650. Briscoe. Byron 850.
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C
We missing a name.
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A
We missing a name.
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C
Russell,
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A
I don't see Blaney on the
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C
guy that won the race last time.
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A
Who won last time?
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C
Chase.
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A
Chase Elliott.
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C
He's got two wins there. But he shouldn't have won that.
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B
I mean. Yeah, come on now. I mean he wasn't like.
- [104:21]
A
But I would say he is.
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C
He is a solid top 10 finish.
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A
Like yeah boy.
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B
I mean, that's going out on a limb.
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A
Well, I know the best average finish
- [104:31]
C
that Kansas ball drivers so
- [104:35]
A
I just wouldn't bet him to win this week, man. And Blaine, stay away from too.
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B
Larson's probably gonna be in top 10.
- [104:43]
C
Why stay away from blaney yeah.
- [104:45]
B
What's wrong with Blaney?
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C
Well, first off, his pit crew is.
- [104:48]
B
Oh, here we go.
- [104:49]
A
Only two Top Tens in the last
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B
races, so he's lost, like 840 spots this year. Is that all?
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A
From 88.
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B
So does that including penalties?
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C
No, that does not include.
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B
That's not include penalty. So it's 80. That many straight up.
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C
Jesus, they suck. Yes.
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B
Calm down. I mean, that's how many average a race?
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C
Yeah, it's bad. How much, though, does, like a Denny or Reddick, someone that's racing up there, have they lost? Because I do think it is a little unfair to compare it to a guy that's coming in 20th. It's harder to lose as many spots. Okay, so. So Denny's plus minus is. Is one. Plus one. He's plus one.
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B
I like Tyler Reddick.
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A
I do, too. Plus 1002. Hey, I was just thinking about that. Look, I know Tyler Reddick hasn't ran very good at this racetrack over the last couple of trips here. He's qualified pretty good last year. Last race here, I think qualified 12th, but before that was 4th. 4th. 4th multiple times in a row. He's not finished great in any stages. So there's really no reason to believe. But this is a high line racetrack. I'm going to buy into the idea that this is a totally different race team than they were a year ago. I don't love the idea of putting money on him winning because I'm tight, but I do definitely think that he's a top 10 or a top five bet.
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B
Yeah, top five for sure.
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A
Yeah. What do you think there, Russell? I know you probably your predictor's got to be. Keep keeping it honest, though. Yeah, he has him like the predictor has him six. But if you look at Vegas, he
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C
was not very good at Vegas.
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A
Do we care about that?
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B
Yes, I do.
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A
I. I do. Yeah.
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B
Something. And not that he's bad here, but something with this track. And Tyler just doesn't seem to. To mix as well as other places.
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C
What about his teammate, Bubba?
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B
I think Bubba can run really good.
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A
They both have had good runs here, just not recently, but it's possible they reclaim their. Their. Their competitiveness at this particular racetrack. I mean, Bubba was fifth here in the. In the last race, and obviously with the wins and success that they've had there, they got to come in feeling like they can recapture the. The. The. The magic they once had. Plus one. Bubba needs a 10. Bubba needs a rebound, too, like Bubba's. Bubba needs. Bubba needs that spark that's this is like an opportunity for them to, to come in somewhere feeling like they maybe.
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B
I feel like he goes in here with some confidence.
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A
Get back on the right track. Yeah.
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B
So
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A
good, good, good note right there by you. Tim's plus 120. Yeah.
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B
Top 10. So who's the, who's the sleepers?
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A
So I like if we believe that Bowman is back.
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C
I like Bowman as a sleeper for a top 10. Who. But who believes he's back? That's why I'm asking you.
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A
He's good at this track.
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C
That's what I would say most top
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A
tens of this track.
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C
He's been top 10 in six of the last seven.
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B
He's got good odds.
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A
I mean he's plus 260 for a top 10.
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B
I just want to see him. I feel like Bristol, I feel like Bristol's one of his better places too.
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C
Maybe it's not, but, but that wasn't, was he. He got caught up though in the wreck, right?
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B
Yeah, but he wasn't. I don't feel like he was running very strong.
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A
What about Ryan Priest for a, for a top 10 bet? Man, he's running pretty good this past weekend, but I'm just gonna like he's been 11th or better in seven of the last nine mile and a half tracks.
- [108:25]
B
I mean he always seems to creep up, man. Like he always seems to find. And honestly I feel like, like I feel like all three of those cars, you could probably put it right in the top 10. Like could be the one, any one of them to me because they all run right next to each other most of the time.
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A
Just priests and bush or maybe.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Six is just struggling.
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B
Six is not. Six was fine last week. We just sped on pit road.
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A
Every time I look up, it's spinning. You spun around. Yeah, spun around, got ran. Got ran into by the 47.
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B
Thankfully that's only the first time. I mean does that count as wreck
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A
avoidance, man, what was he doing catching you?
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B
That's a good point.
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C
The 6 has been decent on mile
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A
and a half recently, I'll give him that.
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B
We were good yesterday too. Just sped late, hurt bad. Too late.
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A
I'll give you one more. I like Corey Heim.
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C
I'm always a believer when he's in that.
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A
When he's in a race, he could finish top 10. He's plus 372.
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B
That's probably why I like him too. That's good. He's in a good car too, so. But this, I mean, I think Corey does a great job, but it's cup three is tough, man.
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A
It'll be tough. Yeah, it is, tj. But you're trying. This is a bet. You're trying to make money.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, you're not trying to predict where this guy's gonna finish.
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B
Still put a lot on it. Just a long shot.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Long shot. That's definitely worth a long shot for fun.
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C
One route plus 370. What number would you like? I'm not throwing a flyer on him.
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A
On him?
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B
Anything under +200, I wouldn't put that.
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A
But the sad part is, if he's under plus 200, it's probably because his car is fast.
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B
He's probably going to finish top 10.
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C
You bet him before practicing qualifying, right?
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A
I bet him right now, yeah. Probably be the hot.
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B
He won't.
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A
I don't think he'll qualify less than,
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B
you know, I mean, top 25.
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A
And that the odds won't change that much.
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C
Gotcha.
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A
Interesting. Do you bet Bubba Wallace to win at plus 200 or plus 2500? Man, I'd rather bet a top 10 at plus 120. That's good.
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B
That's a good odds.
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A
Odds he'll finish top 10. He's a good result.
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B
Like we've been saying, I don't necessarily think a win. A win's a little bit of aggressive.
- [110:26]
C
I think Reddick's more in line for. I think you got to put just a sprinkle.
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A
I know. I don't know.
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B
I don't think so.
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A
What do you think, Russell? You betting on that?
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C
I. I'd stay away from him until
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A
he gets back even. $5. $1. $2. Come on, man.
- [110:41]
C
You gotta put a dollar on it.
- [110:43]
A
I'll put a dollar on it. A dollar? Yeah. Let's go.
- [110:46]
C
And that was.
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A
If you put $1, you will lose $1. Oh, damn.
- [110:51]
C
I couldn't get 22.
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A
He's been 17 at the worst before. Before that, in the. In the four races before that place last year.
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C
So.
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A
Yeah. Who else was really good at Vegas? I don't even have the finishing order from that race because I do think that they're not identical tracks, but they're kind of unique. They're both similar, I think. And there.
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C
Yeah. Like, Gibbs was first, fourth, fifth, and eighth.
- [111:22]
A
All right. Yeah. So you got to love the toy. You got to love Gibbs Toyotas. And I. Again, that gives me some hope or confidence or feel good around Redick and Bubba Wallace.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And RFK was all top 11, so TJ's right.
- [111:40]
B
And Brad was 10.
- [111:42]
C
You have a pusher with six.
- [111:43]
A
You always. You. You always remember your last top 10.
- [111:48]
B
I just saw it on the screen, actually.
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A
You never forget that last top.
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B
I think Priest was 11th, wasn't he?
- [111:54]
A
He was, yeah. Well, let's do a top manufacturer parlay. We haven't done one, so let's do one. I think I'm going to.
- [112:04]
B
I like Larson.
- [112:05]
C
Yeah, I was gonna say Larson.
- [112:06]
A
Plus. I go Larson, Reddick, Buscher.
- [112:09]
C
Those are my three.
- [112:10]
A
Dang.
- [112:13]
B
Oh, I go Larson. Denny Busher.
- [112:18]
C
Wow. Hear that, Brad?
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A
I'm gonna do well.
- [112:20]
B
Chris is really good there.
- [112:22]
A
I'll change. I'll change and I'll do. Yeah, I'll do. I'm gonna say Blaney. I think Butcher's awesome choice. I think Blaney, Christopher Bell, and William Byron. Russ, thanks for coming out.
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C
No problem.
- [112:44]
B
Thank you.
- [112:45]
A
Not too many more weeks, buddy. Me and you gonna be in the booth. I know. Yeah.
- [112:50]
C
Sun's over.
- [112:51]
A
Shoulder to shoulder. I see you got some new. You know, some new papers, Some new. Oh, yeah.
- [112:58]
C
You started to look, huh? Russ, how are your one notes, your one liners for Dale? He'll have to wait and see.
- [113:05]
A
Yeah, Lord. That Dirty Mo Doe segment was brought to you by FanDuel, the premier gaming destination in the United States. Pretty solid show today, tj. Thanks for.
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B
Yeah, lots to talk about.
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A
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