The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Best of Episode Summary

Date: June 4, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick
Platform: iHeartPodcasts / Fox Sports Radio

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Overview

This episode of “The Best of The Dan Patrick Show” focuses primarily on a dramatic Knicks-Spurs playoff matchup, offering in-depth basketball analysis with a blend of humor and insightful commentary. Dan discusses the Knicks’ remarkable comeback win, Jalen Brunson's clutch performances, the Spurs’ fatigue and strategic decisions, and the broader context of NBA analytics versus gut instinct. The episode features expert analysis by NBA insider Chris Haynes and former player Channing Frye, delving into the psychology, X’s and O’s, and unsung heroes of high-stakes playoff basketball.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Knicks Comeback: Performance Breakdown

• Recap of Game: The Knicks overturned a 14-point deficit to win by 10, showcasing resilience and a team-first mentality (01:39).
• Brunson as Closer: Although Jalen Brunson struggled for three quarters, he turned it up in the 4th quarter, a consistent trend in the postseason.
  • Statline: 4th quarter postseason averages: 59% FG, 62% 3PT, 93% FT.
  • “You want to talk about a closer... Jalen Brunson has been unbelievable and the numbers back this up in the fourth quarter.” —Dan Patrick (01:39)
• Team Effort: Josh Hart was celebrated for his “glue guy” contributions—rebounds, assists, steals—despite a poor shooting night. The Knicks as a team outperformed expectations, showing depth and adaptability (05:50).

2. Spurs Struggles & Analytics Critique

• Victor Wembanyama’s Fatigue: Wemby appeared tired, settling for threes and lacking aggression inside. The need to exploit his physical advantages was emphasized ([01:39], 22:54).
  • “Wemby is settling for threes. That can’t happen. He’s got to go inside to then go outside. You got to put some people in foul trouble.” —Dan Patrick (01:39)
  • “When Wimby goes 6 of 21, 7 of 20, 5 of 17, the spurs lose. Simple as that.” —Chris Haynes (22:54)
• Puzzling Substitutions: Limited 4th quarter minutes for Dylan Harper (best player for stretches), while bench players like Harrison Barnes and Luke Kornet played more. The hosts questioned whether analytics trumped gut instinct, to the team’s detriment ([08:28], 24:44).
  • “Analytics people ignore their gut, I would assume.” —Channing Frye (08:44)
  • “There’s a flow to the game... gut feeling should override analytics at times.” —Dan Patrick (09:49)

3. The Brunson/Referee/Fan Incident

• Postgame Incident Explained: Jalen Brunson confronted ref Scott Foster after the game, not out of anger at the officials but due to abusive taunts from courtside fans. Chris Haynes broke the news on air that the NBA is investigating these fans ([20:12]).
  • “Sources inform me that the NBA is investigating two courtside fans... directing some vulgar, profane, floppy, flopping taunts at Jalen Brunson.” —Chris Haynes (21:00)

4. Poll Question Debates

• Who’s Your Go-To for a Game-Winning Two?
  • Options: Brunson, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Luka Doncic, others.
  • Dan’s Pick: Brunson, citing recency bias and his creative scoring ability under pressure ([13:11]).
  • “Brunson gets his shot, and he’s got every shot.” —Dan Patrick (13:19)
  • Discussed the methodology of elite shot-making, likening Brunson’s creativity to Steve Nash and Chris Paul ([13:19]).

5. Knicks’ Identity & Fan Culture

• Knicks’ Grit: “This is who they are. This is their identity. Down 22, we’ll come back. Down 14, NBA Finals, we’ll come back.” —Dan Patrick (05:50)
• MSG Mystique: Channing Frye praised Madison Square Garden’s unique energy, attributing it to New York’s passionate, knowledgeable basketball culture.
  • “People ask all the time, what is the greatest stadium to play basketball? And it’s not even close. MSG is.” —Channing Frye (31:12)

6. Extended Analysis & Human Element (Channing Frye Interview)

• Physicality and Hate as Motivation
  • Spurs needed to emotionally let go of previous opponents and learn to “hate” the Knicks, a key to playoff intensity ([33:38], 41:59, [42:50]).
• Player Usage & Coaching:
  • Spurs overthought adjustments instead of playing their best five, need to adapt to overcome Knicks’ physicality ([34:59], [36:31]).
• Wembanyama’s Tired Legs:
  • Tiredness and thinking too much led Wembanyama to settle for jumpers.
  • “When kids get tired... you stop thinking about the game and start talking to yourself… Wemby and the Spurs are young.” —Channing Frye ([36:31])
• Brunson as a Unique 6’1” Closer:
  • Frye compared Brunson’s toolkit to a Michelin star chef: simple at first glance, masterfully executed with endless options. He also pondered if a small guard could win it all.
  • “I’ve not seen a player like Jalen Brunson of that size be utilized in a way that they can win NBA Finals.” —Channing Frye (40:42)
• Knicks Pride & Regret:
  • Frye, a former Knick, shared his sense of personal unfulfillment from his own Knicks tenure, viewing MSG as hallowed ground ([45:08], [46:18]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jalen Brunson on Knick's Mentality:
  “We’re a pretty together group. Be able to trust each other… keep chipping away. It’s just a credit to the mentality we have as a team.” ([05:27] —Jalen Brunson)

• Chris Haynes breaking the fan investigation news:
  “The NBA is investigating two courtside fans... they were directing some vulgar, profane, floppy, flopping taunts at Jalen Brunson.” ([21:00])

• Dan Patrick on New York’s fan culture:
  “As much as New York is pizza, New York is basketball.” ([31:14] paraphrased from Channing Frye)

• Channing Frye on playoff hate:
  “You have to learn to hate… Last game had more hate than… the Spurs were still hating okc.” ([42:04])

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | Speakers | |-----------|--------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------| | 01:39 | Knicks-Spurs Game Analysis/Brunson Praise | Dan Patrick | | 05:27 | Jalen Brunson Postgame Comments | Jalen Brunson, Interviewer | | 08:28 | Analytics vs. Instinct in Rotations | Dan, Channing Frye, Chris Haynes | | 11:23 | Poll: Knicks’ Play vs. Spurs’ Poor Play | Dan, Poll Host | | 13:11 | Poll: Go-To Closer for Game-Winning Shot | Dan, Poll Host | | 20:12 | Chris Haynes: Brunson/Fans/League Report | Dan Patrick, Chris Haynes | | 22:54 | Spurs Analysis: Wembanyama’s Struggles | Chris Haynes | | 27:31 | Brunson’s Rise, Knicks Fans’ Early Angst | Chris Haynes | | 31:12 | MSG’s Mystique for Players | Channing Frye | | 36:31 | Wembanyama’s Fatigue: Youth/Tired Thinking | Channing Frye | | 40:42 | Brunson’s Uniqueness as a 6’1” Star | Channing Frye, Dan | | 42:50 | Psychology of Playoff “Hate” | Channing Frye, Dan | | 45:08 | Frye on Knicks Pride, Jersey Memories | Channing Frye, Dan |

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Episode Tone & Flow

The episode balances Dan Patrick’s signature playful tone with sharp, informed basketball analysis. The conversational banter between Dan, Chris Haynes, and Channing Frye adds a warm, human layer to technical dissection, offering both insider scoops and relatable stories—from locker-room insight to personal reflections on the meaning of playing for the Knicks.

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For Listeners: Takeaways

• Knicks’ comeback win was no fluke—team chemistry, resilience, and creative coaching were key.
• Jalen Brunson’s 4th quarter magic and leadership put him among Knicks greats in the city’s eyes.
• Spurs must rethink their reliance on analytics and better leverage Wembanyama’s unique gifts.
• The human element—pride, sports “hate,” and fan culture—is as influential as tactics in the NBA playoffs.

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This summary covers all major segments and personalities from the June 4, 2026 “Best of The Dan Patrick Show.” For fans, it’s a lively X-ray of what makes NBA postseason hoops thrilling at every level—from stats to soul.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

Last night, the Knicks over the spurs by 10. There was a 24 point turnaround. The Knicks were down by 14, and then all of a sudden they end up winning by 10. The scary part is now the spurs won't play this badly, but the Knicks will play better because Brunson didn't have a great game for the first three quarters. But you want to talk about a closer and there's very few of these players. There's a lot of guys who were great those first three quarters. Fourth quarter, Jalen Brunson has been unbelievable and the numbers back this up in the fourth quarter. This postseason, he's shooting 59% from the floor 62% from three point range, 93% from the free throw line. He has every shot he's got. You know, go right, shoot left, go left, shoot left, pull up, little teardrop. He can shoot the three. And he didn't have a good game last night. I mean, that's the scary part. The spurs and Victor Wembanyama looked a little spent and understandably so. But Wemby is settling for threes. That can't happen. He's got to go inside to then go outside. You got to put some people in foul trouble. I don't want you shooting threes. Now you can shoot threes. I don't want you taking 90 threes, dear. And Fox has to act like a guy who's getting paid $50 million a year because that's an embarrassing no show. I didn't understand. It felt like Dylan Harper was the best player on the floor there for a while. And then all of a sudden I go, where is Dylan Harper? So there were a few things that were kind of puzzling last night. But dearon Fox, he. Now, this is a guy who once won the clutch player of the year award back in 20, 22, 2023. Harper scores 16, their leading scorer midway through three quarters. He plays four minutes in the fourth quarter. I don't know if there was something else, if there's injury, if there's analytics, but I was puzzled by that. Carl Anthony Towns, come on down. You played great. And this is what you wanted from Chad Holmgren. You wanted aggression. And this is what Carl Anthony Towns did. He took it to Victor Wembanyama and lived to tell about it. That that was one of the big differences. Josh Hart, if you look at the stats and you go, man, not a good shooting night. He did everything else. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. Every team has one of these guys. If you're winning a championship, you gotta have one of these GU guys. Could be Caruso with okc. I mean, down through history, championship teams have one of these guys. He had 15 rebounds. You have six assists, four steals. He was plus 22 when he was on the floor. A glue guy is what we called them. But man, every loose ball, I was surprised. If somebody else got a loose ball when he was on the floor, he was that impressive. Here is Jalen Brunson being asked about the comeback.

[Channing Frye]

And you guys come back.

[Poll/Caller Host]

In so many games. Resilience has been the story of your season.

[Nick Jonas]

Is there a sense of calm or

[Poll/Caller Host]

familiarity when you're in that situation?

[Nick Jonas]

You know Trailing in the second half.

[Jalen Brunson]

I don't want to say calmness, but I think we know what we have to do. I think we're, we're a pretty together group. Be able to trust each other and still just continue to fight each other's back and just know that we got to keep chipping away. Chipping away. It's just a credit to the mentality we have as a team. But I mean, we can't just be satisfied that we have a long way to go. We have a lot of things we can do to be better. But I'm happy we came with a win.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, this isn't a coincidence. This is who they are. This is their identity. Down 22. We'll come back. Down 14. NBA Finals, we'll come back. And that's one of those. Each possession, this is what coaches tell you. You're not going to have a 10 point play. Each possession, each possession, chip away, chip away, chip away. And that's what they did last night. But when you look at the Spurs, I looked at their turnovers, half of their turnovers were in the fourth quarter. That's a tired team. And I give credit to the Knicks. You know, they put the pressure on them. Even Jalen Brunson was playing defense. Now, I don't. Stats can lie sometimes, but according to the mothership, The spurs were 1 for 14 with Jalen Brunson as the primary defender, including 0 for 7 in the second half. When he. When did he become Gary Payton? I mean, do you want that? Because we've heard all along Cat and Brunson don't play defense very well. Last night I didn't think the Knicks played well. I think they played well when they needed to. And the spurs got to figure out exactly what is their game plan and stick to it because it felt like, hey, this guy comes in because that's what we've done all along, we're going to take that guy out. It felt analytical. It felt a little too, you know, like think analytic, dependent. Yes, Marvin.

[Knicks Fan/Caller]

And another thing was I thought somebody like Jose Alvarado had a really big end of the first half when Brunson got hurt with that knee injury. When Harrison Barnes went into his knee and he came in to sub in, he came up big. He had like seven points. And if you get seven points from Jose Alvarado, that's huge. Landry Sham, 13 points. If you get 20 points out of those guys, that is huge. Because you're not expecting that for nothing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Knicks fans have reminded me, didn't you say the Knicks didn't have a great bench yet. You're right, I did. But they did last night and we talked about this. There, there is something about this team and it is a team. It is a team. When I talk about Spurs, I usually just talked about Victor Wembanyama with the Knicks. Yes, it's Brunson heavy, but it is a true team. OG Anunoby, like you're going to ask these guys to just give me something and it might be your defense against Wemby. It might be, you know, give me five minutes, come in and spell this guy, whatever it is. The Knicks will play better, but the spurs better play better. Yeah.

[Channing Frye]

Paulie, the other thing I was wondering, you mentioned this before, not playing Dylan Harper much in the fourth quarter. Do you think that's some type of analytics play where you stick to the plan that got you where you are now?

[Dan Patrick]

I hope not.

[Channing Frye]

It felt like it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Channing Frye]

Because it could shoot it. Analytics people ignore their gut, I would assume.

[Dan Patrick]

I believe so. I don't like that at all. I think there's just a feeling sometimes you've been at a game or maybe you've been in a game where all of a sudden you just go, it's my night. Or it's not my night, it's not our night. And you might have to disrupt that. But it's felt like Dylan Harper was the best player on the floor for a little while there and then all of a sudden he didn't get to play. Yes, yes, Todd.

[Chris Haynes]

And analytics often to me speak to normally in this situation or generally or usually there's no definites, even with numbers. So there is room for gut instinct.

[Channing Frye]

As far as what you're saying, it's

[Chris Haynes]

an off night or I just have a thing, this guy should be playing

[Channing Frye]

more minutes or this one needs to come out.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Dylan.

[Poll/Caller Host]

Yeah, and analytics makes more sense in slower paced sports like football and baseball. But there's basketball, such a momentum thing and it's constant. So it's like there's a flow. Particularly in the playoffs where it's like sometimes you just got to use some intuition. I think.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I agree with that. That baseball is a matchup and it's a pitch and then you, you know, everything's slowed down. This is, I mean, you want to use analytics. Playing blackjack, I'm fine with that. But there's a flow to the game. There's a, there is a gut feeling and I think gut feeling should override analytics at times. And it, you know, you're dependent on that. And it's like you got a notebook and it tells you what to do. But it felt like there was something that was off. Also. At the very end of the game, Jalen Brunson goes to Scott Foster and he says something, but he, he's saying something to Scott Foster, but he's saying it past Scott Foster like something is going on here. And it I didn't know if he was complaining about he was getting banged up because, you know, he got banged up twice last night. But Chris Haynes, great NBA reporter, is going to join us next hour. And he talked to Brunson about that moment. So I don't know what was going on, but he was animated is too strong of a word. But he was bothered by something. Now, I don't know. It's not like Scott Foster goes, you know, hey, what do you, why are you yelling at me? Or don't be talking to me that way. He was saying something as if was there something in the crowd? It was just a moment that I thought was out of character for Jalen Brunson. But we'll find out about that coming up next hour. Your phone calls are welcome. You got a poll question for the first hour of the program? Dylan?

[Poll/Caller Host]

Yeah, we have a couple, Dan, for starters, what was the bigger impact on the game last night? The Knicks playing well or the spurs playing objectively not well?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I think the Knicks made the spurs not play well. So I'm, I'm, I'm giving the Knicks the credit here. They played. They played like I expected them to play. I thought Brunson would be better. He didn't play well early. But then all of a sudden it's fourth quarter, game on the line, ball in his hands. Things happen. Carl Anthony Towns being aggressive, Josh Hart being aggressive, OG And Anobi being aggressive, guys coming off the bench contrib. I mean, if you can win games and Brunson doesn't play like we expect him to get 35, that's kind of scary because you've already got the split here in San Antonio. Now you're five and a half point underdogs coming up in game two, which doesn't matter to the Knicks. But I'm just saying this for the betting crowd. You've already gotten what you wanted to get here. Now you go for the jugular. Now you go, hey, you know what? Let's push them even harder this time around. If not, you go back to the Garden and the Garden is going to be waiting. I think that'll be an Interesting element here of the aggression, you know, the Spurs. I don't know where you get your energy from if you don't have it in game one. Where are you getting it in game two? Yes, Dylan. Yeah.

[Poll/Caller Host]

And it's like the Knicks are basically playing with house money relative. You know, you go into San Antonio as underdogs when a slug fest in game one. It's like, whatever happens next game, if they lose, we're back to square one.

[Dan Patrick]

What's. What are the other poll questions?

[Poll/Caller Host]

Paulie sent one over.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Poll/Caller Host]

If you need a two to win a playoff game, who are you taking? Jalen Brunson, Shay Gilgis, Alexander, Luka Doncic or other.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, it's going to be recency bias. I. I would take Brunson because I've seen it happen late in games, and that's. If you're talking about, hey, you gotta. You're taking a two here. Well, I'm assuming we're not talking about first three quarters. We're talking about late in the game. Brunson gets his shot, and he's got every shot. Now, I know Luca has every shot. Shea Gilgis, you know, not necessarily a great three point shooter. There's a lot of guys who can get points, get buckets. But I've seen Brunson do this at a very high level. And I would, I would take him. He has this innate ability. And I talked to Reggie Miller about this. It's. You got to know angles. And Paulie and I talk about Chris Paul. Chris Paul wasn't really that athletic. He wasn't big, he wasn't strong, he wasn't quick. Not a jumper. He just floated and he looked for the angle. He looked for his spot. And that's what Brunson does. Steve Nash used to do this. Nash would go underneath the basket. You know, like Gretzky would get behind the net and then feed his teammates. Steve Nash would just kind of roam and then they look for their moment. And that's what Brunson does. It's, I need to get to that spot, or if I don't get there, I can get there. He always has a plan B. And I think that's the beauty of seeing creative scores. And, and he is truly a creative score because he has to be. It's not like he can go, I'm Durant, I'm seven foot and I'm, you know, seven nine wingspan. See if you can get my shot. Brunson's not a big guy. Yes.

[Poll/Caller Host]

Dylan Durant, though, prime Durant. If you Need a two to win a game. He might be all time.

[Dan Patrick]

He. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, he's one of the greatest scorers of all time. I mean, you're not picking somebody where I go, I didn't think of him.

[Podcast Host]

Kevin Durant.

[Dan Patrick]

Kevin Durant, Bad idea. How many points has he scored? I don't know. 30,000? Couple.

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[Dan Patrick]

We say good morning to Chris Haynes, senior NBA Insider for NBA on prime and the association on NBA tv. Chris, there was a moment last night at the end of the game where Jalen Brunson did not celebrate after that win, but he went right to the referee, Scott Foster, and he wasn't mad at Scott Foster, but there was clearly an exchange there. And I had Fritzi reach out to you earlier and ask you if you knew what had happened then. So can you download us on what Brunson was upset about at the end of that game?

[Chris Haynes]

Yeah, I can. Dp, thanks for having me, man. It's a long time. So this is what I can't say. And I saved. I've saved this for you. I haven't reported this yet, so I'm going to do it here.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Chris Haynes]

And then if you give me 10 seconds to tweet it, I'll do that as well. But, dp, what happened is that the NBA right now was told. Sources inform me that the NBA is investigating two courtside fans, that towards the end of the game, of game one, they were directing some vulgar, profane, floppy, flopping taunts at Jalen Brunson. And that happened probably around 20 second range, 20 seconds left in the game. And so then after the game, Brunson goes over to Scott Foster, and he's not arguing with Scott, but Scott was right there. He was within distance of hearing what the fans were saying. And so Jalen was just basically telling Scott, hey, Scott, listen, you know, do something about this.

[Dan Patrick]

You.

[Chris Haynes]

You see what they're saying? And I was told that the. The fans kept on. Kept on saying some pretty derogatory remarks, taunts. And at that point, Scott, you see, Jalen Brunson kind of looked like he was going to take a step towards that direction where the fans were at. And then you could see Scott tell them, hey, let's not do this. You guys won. You know, go ahead. So I was told the NBA is looking into these two fans. Just a moment.

[Dan Patrick]

Dp all right, go ahead and tweet it out.

[Chris Haynes]

All right. Like that. And on threads as well. Okay, I am done now. Dp all right. You were saying?

[Dan Patrick]

I was trying to figure out kind of, you know, we love to do this. Did the spurs lose? Did the Knicks win it? And I give credit to the Knicks here. I think the spurs look tired. Fourth quarter. Wemby settling for threes, not getting inside. I thought Carl Anthony Towns played great. Josh Hart. So your takeaway from this, if you're the spurs right now, Your takeaway from what went wrong and how to fix it is what.

[Chris Haynes]

Dp I hate to go to this because it's so easy to go to this, but it's the constant. It's the constant reality. It's a trend at this point, When Wimby goes 6 of 21, 7 of 20, 5 of 17, the spurs lose. Simple. Simple as that. And I'm not putting it all on Wimby because obviously de' Aaron Fox is out there. He's been struggling ever since. He's still dealing with that bummed ankle. But when Wimby is efficient and not selling for that outside jump shot. DP 42 of his shot attempts were three pointers. Yeah, he was 6, 21 from the field, 2 and 9 from 3. That's playing right into the Knicks hands. Obviously, you know, the Knicks are going to be physical. They want to play physical basketball. When whoever's guarding Wimby and at a certain point Wimy is going to have to adapt to that and understand that. Yes, while his skill set, while he can do everything on the court, you have to understand that at certain times of the game it may cause for you to impose your will. And I know, you know, physically he's just not at that point right now. But the one thing that he has that nobody else has is 7ft foot height, 7 foot 5 height. And a lot of times he doesn't use that to his advantage. But he's going to need help elsewhere as well. But I think that's the constant trend. Dp, when he's he a guy that. A guy that size can't continue having too many of these terrible shoot nights. It can't be 6 to 21. You know, we're not used to seeing guys of that size struggle like that from the field too often.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know what the role analytics play with the spurs, but I'm still trying to understand this. That Dylan Harper at times was the best player on the floor. He plays four minutes in the fourth quarter. Kelton Johnson, sixth man of the year. Harrison Barnes and Luke Cornett played more than he did. De' Aaron Fox. You can't be paying a guy $50 million and he gives you that. So this is, this is the problem I had watching that game. It just didn't make sense. Maybe substitution patterns. But I don't know if this is analytics or is this just gut feeling of making moves or not making moves?

[Chris Haynes]

Yeah, that's a good question. Dp, I mean, we didn't know how they were going to Disperse. I should say we're going to start off defensively because we know Wimby like, tends to like to guard a guy who's not really a three point threat, which allows him to stay closer to the basket. So with that being said, Carl Anthony Towns was going to be a guy that I was looking at saying, okay, who are the spurs going to put on him? Champagne really can't stay with him, you know, on the physical standpoint. And so I thought this was going to be a series where, where we'll see a lot more Keldon Johnson and a lot more Harrison Barnes because those guys present the physical matchups and the physical makeup that can contend with a Carl Anthony town. So I was a little dp, I share your sentiment. I was a little confused as well by the rotation, but you know, I'll, I'll chalk it up to game one just being that filling out period, trying to see different matches, see what works. But Dylan Harper is a stud. He's a true stud. And for on, on Deer and Fox. Dp, the one thing about de' Aaron Fox that he does do, and I understand why they're continually, you know, using him, is that he does stabilize the offense. You know, when the ball is in Stephon Castle's hands, he's, Stefan is playing amazing, doing things on both ends of the floor, but he is turnover prone. So I think they still have the confidence in de' Aaron that he can at least get the ball up court and get them into their sets. But yes, I agree he has to start shooting better because if you're out there, they expect you to produce.

[Dan Patrick]

Chris Haynes, senior NBA Insider for NBA on prime and the association on NBA tv. I do this almost on a daily basis talking about Jalen Brunson's ability. And I think if you saw him in high school, he was considered a great player. But he goes to Villanova. I don't know if anybody thought that's going to translate to the NBA. Even in Dallas, where you go, boy, he's a nice player and then all of a sudden he joins the Knicks. The Knicks wanted Donovan, they wanted Mitchell and they got him. He was the consolation prize.

[Chris Haynes]

That's saying a lot right there. Dp I remember when, when he signed his deal or well, well, when, when News got. When new not signed, when he signed his deal, but when news got out of what the Knicks were going to be paying him to leave Dallas, I remember Knicks fans out, you know, enraged, like, what we're paying, we're paying this back up. This what what are we doing? I remember that because I was the one that reported it. So I remember the outrage that that was had. And then it didn't take long for him to win over Knicks fans. And. And it surely didn't take long for the NBA world to recognize he was a special player. But now this guy at 6:1, he may say he's 6:2, but I think he's more 6:1. This 6:1 guy who's not. It's not classified as an athletic guy. You know, it still marvels people how he can dominate, how shifty he is, how he can create, get inside the paint. And one thing I'll say about Jalen Brunson, even though he was struggling for probably three quarters, two and a half quarters of the game, Carl Anthony Towns, I want to give props to him. He kept him in float. Landry Shamet guys, OG had big shots. Alvarado came off the bench, had some good minutes. His teammates kept him, kept him in the game to the point where Brunson finally found his groove and was able to cash in later on. So Jalen Brunson is a star. He's special. You can already put him in the Mount Rushmore of Knicks greats at this point, at this stage.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I know that we want to. We're quick to have the Mount Rushmore here. You know, Frazier, Frazier and Willis Reed and Patrick Ewing on there, Bernard King. And if you want to put Jalen Brunson in there, you know, Bernard never won, Patrick didn't, Willison and Walt did. But Brunson's, you know, you win a title, they'll build a statue.

[Chris Haynes]

Oh, for sure.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, they'll build one right next to the Statue of Liberty. But the statue, the statue of Brunson and Statue of Liberty, she was 64 and it had a good handle.

[Chris Haynes]

Would that make the Brunson statue bigger than the Statue of Liberty?

[Dan Patrick]

No, it can't do it. No, Because Brunson six one. Statue of Liberty. Yeah. It's great to talk to you, as always. Have fun down there and we'll talk to you soon.

[Chris Haynes]

Yes, sir. Dp, Always a pleasure, brother.

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[Dan Patrick]

Always a treat to have Channing Fry, NBA analyst and co host of Road Tripping podcast. He won a title with the CAVS back in 2016 and the 8th overall pick by the Knicks in the oh, 5 draft. What was the reaction from Nick fans when they drafted you? Do you remember?

[Channing Frye]

50. 50. 50. 50. As everything else. I mean, I don't know who else you could have got that would have did any better. It was fine. My family grew up Knicks fans. My parents were both from Brooklyn, New York. It was an honor. I had 75 people there from my family. I mean, people ask all the time, what is the greatest stadium to play basketball? And it's not even close to MSG is. And I played for the Knicks. I played. I had a little sneeze for the Lakers. But now MSG is in its own. In its own class.

[Dan Patrick]

Why?

[Channing Frye]

Because the people there, one fans are probably the most knowledgeable basketball fans in the country because they play basketball on their own. Like, if you look around New York, every court is usually packed with people from little kids to women to old men to. So they play it, they live it. It's. It is their lifeblood. You know, as much as New York is pizza, New York is basketball. And so when they watch it, even if you're an opponent, they value that. That fire. They respect you. They may hate you, but they like to see that fire. And there's a reason why the best of the best show out when they play in the Garden.

[Dan Patrick]

And also, it's cheaper to probably fly to San Antonio, get a ticket in San Antonio than it is trying to get a ticket in New York.

[Channing Frye]

It actually is. I was sitting next to a Knicks fan when I was just in San Antonio yesterday, and I flew back and. Or two days ago. Yes. I don't know. I'm all over the place. But, yeah. He was like, yeah, I mean, I'll come down to San Antonio for four days and watch two NBA Finals games. Like, this is nothing. This is. It was tough to get here, but other than that, I'm fine. You gotta go have a mark on the. On the. On the riverwalk.

[Dan Patrick]

What were you expecting last night?

[Channing Frye]

I was. From what team? How about that? Let me explain that.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's. We'll start out with the Spurs.

[Channing Frye]

So no preparation. You can't go full speed to understand what the Knicks do. You're emotionally coming off of a huge Game seven. You made it to the NBA Finals. I expected them to keep things simple, and they did. And if Brunson doesn't Brunson like he always does, they still have a chance. So that's why at the end of the game, I always watch the. You know, when they're doing media and one be like, oh, this series is we're okay. We're okay. And I think they have the best. After they lose, they win. Their winning percentage is the best in the NBA. So they have no preparation. They're exhausted. This team has been watching you starting to hate you. And they have to let go of the hate of OKC and the lock in of okc. They gotta play this demon of a team of the New York Knicks.

[Dan Patrick]

What were you expecting from New York, man?

[Channing Frye]

Belt. Belts, belts are behind, right? It's, it's because I've had a full week to start to hate you. Hate your mannerisms to hate. Like I don't like this dude's face. I don't like the way that they do this or what he said here. And it starts to. And you see New York came in with a level of physicality, energy, game plan. Imagine for a billion dollar company, I get to stare at you for 14 days and dissect every substitution, every, every play, every tendency. And I get to just watch you and watch you and watch you while you're so locked in on who's in front of you and there's another guy ready to throw a big punch. So they did exactly what they were supposed to do. I thought your two best players won you the game and that's what you're supposed to do every game. So it's gonna be a great series. I'm. I am so hype.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not sure what, what role analytics play with the Spurs. Then maybe you could help me this. But you have Keldon Johnson, sixth man of the year. He plays eight minutes. Yep. Dylan Harper is the best player on the floor for a little while there in the first half. He plays less than four minutes in the fourth quarter.

[Channing Frye]

Okay, so here's what I saw. Mike Brown has had a week to again to dissect this team. And what he did was he put Mitch Johnson into a position where he was, you know, look, search and search and search and searching. And because Mitch Johnson and their team are better when they are present. Mitch Johnson is trying to counter a counter a counter count and overthought himself at the end of the day, put your five best players out there, let them duke it out and be about your business. But I think, you know, knowing the spurs, they're going to look back at film and be like, I got to play my guy. I got to figure out ways to get him more involved. I got to figure, I got to make sure that Dylan Harper is involved because we can't win a game without the best version of that, so I just think you got to coach that game and then that's going to happen.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I hate seeing Wemby take nine threes. It felt, it felt like he was tired. He had six turnovers, felt like he just wanted to go three point line to three point line. I, I, and look, you forgot more basketball than I know. But I got to have him start inside to come outside, right? And I want him inside. I want him, you know, putting pressure on Carl Anthony Towns. I want him getting some fouls, those three point shots. And it just felt like it was tired basketball.

[Channing Frye]

To me, that's exactly what it was. I, I help coach over here at my local high school. And when kids get tired and kids start to, when you're exhausted, you stop thinking about the game and you start having to talk to yourself. Hey, bend your legs, move your knees, run, breathe. It's worth it. When you're doing that, you're not present during the game. Wemby and the spurs are young, and when they're present and enthusiastic and aggressive and they're usually the ones that punch first. Like, Wemby usually has some of the best game ones we've ever seen. And you know what the Knicks did? They, they weaved that first punch and went big. And Wemby and the rest of the team was like, oh, my gosh, this isn't the same. Wemby has the other series, and this is the biggest. What if everyone thought this series would be sweet? And the spurs have never played a team with five playmakers, five green light three point shooters and five grown men, okay, who have been waiting for them. Like Alex Caruso. Yes, he's great, but if he scores 20 points, you're like, well, that's less for SGA. You go, okay, on the Knicks, who you gonna leave? Josh Hart. They've already seen it. Flash to the middle cut, boom, boom, boom. Also, Wemby is thinking. When you're thinking, when you're playing basketball, you become exhausted. So he's like, where should I go? What should I do? Everyone's moving, but to that point, they have this full day. You have pop, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, everybody you could think of as a collective think tank. He's going to go into the hyperbaric chamber. Get him an iv, get him some oxygen. This team is going to be way better the next game. They just got punched and Wemby doesn't know. They're too physical with him up front. He can't. It's exhausting. I don't know if you notice, they stand him up so he's having to lean and push. It's like sled pulling. And now you're doing that. OG's a grown man. Josh Hart is stronger than he looks. I hope he hears that. That's my guy. Cat is strong as a dog. Mitchell Robinson, strong as a dog. And Mikhail Bridges. And those guys are just holding him up and holding him up and holding him up and it warmed down.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Channing Fry, NBA analyst co host a Road Trippin podcast How do you explain Brunson as a closer brother?

[Channing Frye]

You ever go to like a Michelin star restaurant and you look back in the kitchen and they have every type of ingredients. And even if you just wanted a grilled cheese, it's the best. Free brioche, French bread. What kind of Gruyere cheese with the, with artisanal butter from three miles away. That's his game. It may seem simple, but he is operating with the best ingredients. I have said for a long time I don't think a small guard can win a championship. I've said that for a lot. I have not seen it except for Steph Curry. And what Mike Brown has done is not. Is taken a page from Golden State's book where now Brunson, if you got the matchup, go. If you don't give it to Carla Towns, give it to your playmakers screen move. And it allows him not to dominate the ball and dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble. It has made them crazy dangerous. It has made him almost impossible to guard. And by the end of the game, they're like de' Aaron Fox. They're like, hey, why is he not scoring? That brother's exhausted. But Jalen Brunson putting the belt on him, he's thinking, he's, he's a. How do I stop this? You can't stop somebody when they have every move in the book. And it's been awesome to watch his progression. And I will say if they went, I'll tell you now, they have a very good chance of winning this and they have a very good chance of doing something that I have not seen. And I could not be happier for it.

[Dan Patrick]

So wait, you, you haven't seen something like this before?

[Channing Frye]

I've not seen a player like Jalen Brunson of that size be utilized in a way that they can win NBA Finals. I've not seen that. And it's awesome to see.

[Dan Patrick]

Why is that? That whether there aren't many guys who are 6:1, though?

[Channing Frye]

Well, because you would say, how tall? Stefan Castle and Devon Vassell and Carter Bryan and Kelden Johnson. You would just. In the end of the day, you'd put them on the block, post them up, create a double team, and you put pressure on them defensively. But because they have practiced this all year, because they are committed to the defensive end. Brunson isn't a dud defensively, so he can guard his yard enough where people can't go at him, and they are. If you think other than Brunson, think about how tall that team is. Josh Hart is a dog defensively, can guard one through five. Cat is not doing stupid fouls. He's great. Seven foot one, og, one of the better two ways. Mikhail Bridges, one of the better two ways. So they. They plug holes for him so he's not being exposed. And it's. It's awesome to see the transition from Tibbs to Brown about what Tibbs have built. And then now Brown is allowing everyone to operate the offense unselfishly.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you hold a grudge against anybody you play against to this day?

[Channing Frye]

No. God, no. I used to. It took me a while to not hate the warriors because you have to get crazy to, like, win these games. It has to be about, I don't want you to eat. Like, if I saw him have a plate, I'd smack the plate out. Food out their mouth. I just don't. You have to learn to hate. And New York has. Last game had more hate than. Than. Than the Spurs. I think the spurs were still hating okc. It's still emotionally drained from okc. And they got to learn to hate the Knicks. They got to learn to have that I despise you, right? I. I don't want you to breathe type attitude.

[Dan Patrick]

But how do you hate Steph Curry?

[Channing Frye]

You gotta make stuff up. Honestly, we're making stuff up. We're like. We would just. I mean, it was crazy. We'd be like, dog. I hate how he chews on his mouthpiece. Or I hate how he's, you know, this private school kid, or he's this or he's that. And you just. You just learn to just. It just exists and it's not real. Steph Curry is one of the nicest human beings. Andre Godal is like one of my favorite human beings.

[Podcast Host]

On.

[Channing Frye]

I played college with him. He's one of the smartest, nicest Grease. He's kind of a dick sometimes, but, like, he's. He is the best. And I had to learn to hate Him, Luke Walton, Steve Kerr. I love those guys. I had to learn to hate, like, don't talk to me. F you. Something, something, something.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but, like, Draymond, you don't have to make up something.

[Channing Frye]

Draymond's not that bad to me. He's actually a good dude. Draymond's great. He just, you know.

[Dan Patrick]

But in the course of a game, though, it's easy to hit him.

[Channing Frye]

He's easy. He's easy. After about five minutes, you go, oh, yeah, you're easy. The rest of y', all, Harrison Barnes is a gem of a human.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Channing Frye]

Andrew Bogut is great. Like, they got great guys, and that is what made us hate him. We're like, yo, they're too nice F these dudes. What.

[Dan Patrick]

What was it like to get switched out on Steph Curry?

[Channing Frye]

It didn't happen very often because I got cooked. It was quick. Quick death. You know, you chop a lobster, you know, you kill a lobster. That's what happened. It was quick. I was like, and here I go. I'm going to the bench. But it's endless movement. And looking back, and I was talking about this on road trip, and Richard and I. He's. It was unreal to watch him play in that setting to where he would get the ball, and the minute the ball went past his shoulder, we're like, oh, that's three points. I have never played against anyone where I thought every time he went like this, we're like, that's three points. He could have his eyes closed sitting on a toilet, shoot it from inside the locker room, like, yep, that's three points. He's just an amazing player, and it's just endless. It's endless movement. It's endless perfection. When it comes to shot and creating opportunities for his teammate, I mean, he's a man.

[Dan Patrick]

You play two seasons for the Knicks, can you get one of those seats next to Patrick Ewing or John Starks for.

[Channing Frye]

No. I. Somebody asked me this on Twitter, and I put my next time in a different. Like, I love the Cavs. I love playing a Phoenix. I obviously live in Portland. Orlando Lakers were kind of iffy, you know, but my time on the Knicks, we were bad. We're a bad team, right? A lot of turmoil. It was kind of a fun circus. I just don't feel in my heart that I deserve those seats. Right. I felt like my time there was really young, and I didn't live up to, like, taking the Knicks jersey as seriously as I should have. And so I. That's why I don't ever go back, I'm always like, I don't want to say embarrassed, but I, like, put them in a different category because my dad grew up watching Patrick Ewing and World Be Free and all these guys, and being able to put that Knicks jersey on was, like, the greatest honor for me. And so because I didn't do well, I can't come back and enjoy there. I watch from afar and cheer from afar, but, yeah, they're. The Knicks are always, you know, if I had to cheer for a team, the Knicks would be that team.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you have your jersey?

[Channing Frye]

I have every single jersey I've ever had.

[Dan Patrick]

Now.

[Channing Frye]

My son is. He's 15, and he's like, 6, 8, 6, 9. So he puts on the jerseys to walk around the house, and I go, what are you talking.

[Dan Patrick]

That's 20 years old, dude.

[Channing Frye]

Take that off. You can't.

[Dan Patrick]

Why. Why aren't they framed?

[Channing Frye]

Because I've moved a lot, and they're in a box, but they're all nicely put in there. But he, he'll go in there and go be like, oh, is this the Kobe Bryant Lakers? You know, black jersey? I go, man, take that off. I was only number 12 once, but it's great. I, I, you know, my time in NBA, I got an opportunity to play, get some great, great players. And now that I've been retired seven years, it's even better to watch this new crop of players and then watch what they do to the youth and, and how it influences, and I've never seen that until now.

[Dan Patrick]

Always great to talk to you. Thank you, Channing.

[Channing Frye]

Thank you so much for having me. Always, always. You're the goat. Come on.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Podcast Host]

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