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Dan Patrick
It's hour one on this Thursday Dan and the Dan Ed Stand Patrick Show. We are fully assembled. Fritzy is here, the minister of humor. He's got his Laker shirt on. Is that right, Tom?
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Mike Chirico
Yeah. Usually I have some kind of theme, but what would Great Western Forum Lakers should have to do with anything?
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Joey Votto
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Dan Patrick
You're a Knicks fan.
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Mike Chirico
I'm a Knicks fan. You know what, there's a lot of stuff that needs to be washed back at the house. And I'm like, you know what? This is a Dan Patrick laden shirt. It's 2 XL. It's comfortable on a Thursday. Let's go.
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Dan Patrick
Dylan is here. Marv Pauliers truly in the back room, guys. Mike Cherico, the award winning Mike Tirico. He'll be on the call for the game tonight in San Antonio. Mike will join us in about 20 minutes from now. Stat of the DAY is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. You want to make sure that you don't waste another weekend doing your lawn care yourself. Partner with the official lawn care treatment provider, the PGA Tour. True Green, the official treatment provider, the PGA Tour. Get a golf course quality lawn the easy way. Sign up@trugreen.com sit back and relax. Play of the day Pull questions Stat of the Day. All of that forthcoming our good buddy, one of our favorites, Joey Votto, the former Reds all star. He's now doing baseball for NBC Sports. He'll join us a little bit later on as well. Game six tonight, the Thunder a slight underdog against the Spurs. I have a weird feeling about this game. I would like to see the spurs win to force a game seven. But I don't know, it just feels even though the Thunder are banged up and I expect Wemby to have a Wemby game, be aggressive. But even though the spurs are favored, slight favorite. It's just one of those weird feelings that I have. Not that I'm willing to tell guys on the gambling podcast later today, Dylan and Shay and Irving and even big day Ray. But man, I might take the 3 1/2 and the OKC Thunder. I know we want to put teams into dynasty categories and you know, the definition of a dynasty has changed and it changes in sports. Just going back to back in the NFL makes you a dynasty. It feels like. Or if you win three in the span of five years, or six years or two in the span of five years, it's, you know, you kind of border on a dynasty. The Patriots had a couple of dynasties at the beginning and the end of Tom Brady's career. Basketball or the OKC Thunder, you know, bordering on being a dynasty. I think you have to have three to be a dynasty, man. It can be three and five years, maybe two and four, depending on what you do on those other years. But I don't know, I'm kind of a hardliner when it comes to what is a dynasty. And if it's in the 60s, you know, the Celtics were a dynasty, UCLA, basketball, like, we're not going to have that ever again. Therefore we have to change the definition. And when you think about okc, we look at them and we go, man, they're invincible. Well, Denver pushed them to seven games last year. Indiana dragged them to another seven game battle in the finals. San Antonio's trying to take them to seven games. So it's not like they're unbelievable. Like, oh my goodness, I know Michael Jordan and the Bulls never got to a game seven and they were a dynasty. They had two dynasties, three in a row. Pause. Three in a row. Dynasty. You can look at the Lakers with what they did with Shaq and Kobe, maybe, you know, dynasty, dynastic baseball. We might look at it differently. I feel like the Dodgers kind of have that dynasty feel to them. What's the official definition of a dynasty, Paulie?
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Paulie
Well, it's not exactly in the dictionary, but there's a couple of sports ish websites that have broke this down. An individual or a team that completely dominates a sport or a league for an extended period of time. A couple other notes. You need at least two titles, at least in a five year period.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Paulie
Otherwise they would say that's a run.
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Dan Patrick
But is OKC dominated? Like this isn't 15 and 1 Lakers,
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Paulie
but their regular season win differential has been the best in the league for three straight years. Like they beat people during the regular season.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, but there are teams that are built for the regular season. And there are a lot of teams and coaches who don't really care about the regular season. I go back to Greg Popovich. They had a dynasty and he did not care about the regular season. He cared about what happened in the playoffs. The 90s Yankees dynasty. I would say you know, different decades with the Yankees, dynasty, Montreal Canadiens, different years, dynasties. So it does happen. But I think I don't. I. It feels like we want to put OKC in the fast lane to be a dynasty. Even if you go back to back and you have the MVP back to back. I don't view them as a dynasty. I view them as an unbelievable organization. But the following season would probably help me define OKC's place in history. And I know OKC fans get upset whenever I say something about Shea or what. Like, you got to stop with the oh, woe is me small market, okay? All the NBA, they only cater to. If we play the Knicks, the Knicks are going to get all the cult like, stop. Don't do the oh, woe is me. Just go out there and root, but don't give me the oh, big market, small market. Is OKC good for the NBA? No, big markets are. But they're still a great team. So you can say, hey, I don't care what the NBA wants. They want San Antonio against the Knicks. Okay, so what? Go win the game tonight. Drive the NBA crazy or the fans crazy? Yes, Marvin.
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Marvin
I'm gonna have to disagree because I think that's the old way of thinking where we think about smart small market teams. I think it's more about the star. If they had a star, if it was like Steph Curry, it doesn't matter where he's playing, if he's on a really good team. And it doesn't matter about the market, especially in this day and time where the Internet runs everything. So you really don't need a big market. But I think it's the combination of small market plus how they play.
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Dan Patrick
But if you're in a small market, you have that inferiority complex. Whether it's true or not, it's like, oh, we're not going to get the calls tonight. Oh, they want Wemby to go to the. I know how this works, okay? I've been doing this for a long time and I know the small market certainly in baseball and basketball, not football, because that doesn't matter. But these smaller markets where it's. They don't want us to win. OKC is a great team and SGA is a star ish kind of player. He's not a video clips where you check your phone in the morning. He's just not. You might get more video clips out of SGA or out of Chet Holmgren than sga. Chances are maybe he does something interesting. SGA is just methodical. It's I know exactly what I'm going to get. It's like having the same meal every single day. And somebody says, how was it? Good. Same meal. That's it. It's like there's one restaurant in okc and it's sga. He's serving up what he does every single night against every single team. That is not something that is must see tv. That's what the NBA wants. When you get to the finals, they want a big audience. Wemby is, you know, a different creature. And the Knicks are going to be the Knicks. And you get celebrities there, you get the atmosphere there, you get, you know, it's all involved there. That's what you want now. That's not what you always get. You can't get the, you know, the Yankees against the Dodgers in the World Series every year. If you could, baseball would be like, yes, we'll sign up for that. But it's tricky when it comes to dynasties. What is a dynasty? Depending on the sport.
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Marvin
Yes, Marvin, the Pistons and the Rockets, they both went back to back. But we don't consider them dynasties. We remember them. Yeah, but they're not considered dynasties like the Lakers and the Bulls.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. I think you got to win at least three in five years. If you go, you know, a three peat, then you're a dynasty. But it depends on the sport. If you go back to back, like we keep talking, talking about the Patriots back at the beginning of, you know, this decade or century where you go, oh, back to back. That's why it doesn't happen. It's harder to do that in the NFL than it is these other sports. Yes.
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Dylan
Dylan, are you considering the Patriots two dynasties or one continuous one, obviously with a lull in between. Because I imagine while as long as Brady was there, that's kind of one.
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Dan Patrick
I would say two with a pause. Because they went, what, 10 years without winning anything. But they won. Like you don't have that dip. Sometimes you'll have a team that wins and then there's this dip and then they come back, win again. I would say Patriots, definitely a dynasty. Yeah.
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Dylan
Dale, do you want to know what the longest continuous dynasty in history is?
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Paulie
Ming.
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Dan Patrick
The Ming Dynasty.
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Paulie
Yeah. They were on a run, man.
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Dan Patrick
Yao Ming dynasty.
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Dylan
They're up there. But it's actually the Imperial House of Japan, the Yamato Dynasty. Longest continuous by blood dynasty over 1500 years. See the Patriots touch that one.
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Dan Patrick
And how many years were they favored, though?
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Dylan
I think most of those years.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, it sounds like that. I saw where the Arizona Cardinals aren't favored in any game this year. The left turn segue.
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Dylan
Speaking of dynasty.
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Paulie
Catching strays.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. That the Cardinals are not favored in any game this year. Salt. And I'm like, okay. And you got your quarterback holding out. Jacoby Brissette. They are the opposite of a dynasty. Or maybe can you be a dynasty playing poorly? Yes.
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Paulie
Paul, a couple more rules of a dynasty. Your core has to continue during your run. Like you said about the late 90s Yankees. You had Posada, Bernie Williams, Jeter. The big four or five guys stuck around. And the other one is lasting impact. Are they remembered like the mid-70s Steelers, you know, all the names and they last forever.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I think the, like the Pistons, we remember them. They're the bad boy Pistons. They won two titles. The Celtics with Bird. Obviously you remember them. Lakers with Magic, Showtime, you remember them. And you might not even remember how many titles they won or how many titles they won in a row, but you do remember those teams. Sometimes it was about what they showed you right in front of you on your tv. Not necessarily what the end result for each season, but. Yeah. It's an interesting topic of. Is OKC bordering on. Are they on the brink of being a dynasty if they win a second title? Yes.
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Dylan
Dylan, is it the, the repeat nature of titles that's a bigger factor? Like, if you win like every other year for six years while there's no repeats or three peats or anything, does that still feel like a dynasty? I mean, it should be, but.
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Dan Patrick
Well, depends on the sport. Like, Seattle's not favored to win the super bowl this year. They got maybe the third or fourth best odds. But if they did, I mean, that's not. That's really, really, really rare. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paulie, the 70s Steelers won the Super bowl in 74 and 75. They made the playoffs and did not make it to the super bowl the next two years. Then they won two more Super Bowls. That's four titles in six years. Pure dynasty.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. And we remember those players. When you can recite the lineup, then that usually helps you kind of lean towards that impression, that imprint that they left on your life on this sports world. Yes, Marvin.
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Marvin
And there's sometimes when people say dynasties, you have to repeat. I don't subscribe to that because look at the. The Bird Celtics, they wanted 81, 84 and 86. But we consider them a dynasty because they were always there. They were always in the hunt. And the teams they lost to, they lost to the Lakers.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Marvin
So there's no shame in that. And they Were always competitive.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I think that's what I want to see is you don't want to have that. Oh, what happened? Oh, they didn't make the playoffs that, you know, one season. Then they came back. But to keep it, it's harder to keep a team together. I mean, the Celtics weren't leaving with Bill Russell and Red Arbok. Those guys stayed. There was no free agency. The Steelers, they stayed together. Like you have to look at before free agency and after free agency and trying to keep your players together.
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Marvin
Yes, Marv, if the Thunder win their second straight, will we look at them the way we look at the Pistons? We don't think of the Pistons as being a really deep, really good, really competitive team. We look at them, Mahorn and Lambert getting in the fights, roughing up Michael Jordan. Are we going to look at them the same way we look at the Pistons?
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Dan Patrick
Well, the Pistons had personality. OKC doesn't have a real personality, a big personality. I mean, they tried to do a SGA Chad Holmgren commercial and you're like, okay, like, the Pistons were the bad boys. They were the villains. There was a documentary about them. They did a 30 for 30 on them. See if will there be a 30 for 30 on OKC? You got a better chance of a 30 for 30 on WEMBY and the Spurs. But I know it takes away from OKC and their success. It's just they're not exciting. Seattle Seahawks weren't exciting. They're not. They were great. The Rams have more personality. There's other teams, but Seattle played. They were the best team in football last year. That doesn't mean like the Patriots, they weren't exciting. I mean, Drake may, okay, you know, found out your coach might have been a little more interesting. But other than that, it's not like, you go, man, Patriots are must see tv. They're not. But when Brady was there dating supermodel Bill Belichick, being Bill Belichick, interchangeable parts there. Winning offensively, defensively, Gronk is in there. Like, you know, that's what you want. That's. If you're going to remember a team, there's other things that factor in other than you're just winning. It's how you're winning. And I think that sometimes differentiates between and there are teams that are probably better than the teams that win back to back or two in three years, but they may not have that impact.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paul, you know, a tough team to quantify is that late 90s, early 2000s spurs, did they win five titles in 15 years. It was spread out. They won one, lost a few, lost a few, won one one. But they didn't have star power. But they were so relevant, their dynasty
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Dan Patrick
to me, yeah, that organization has been dynastic. So I would put them in. I mean, I love watching Ginobly Timmy was just. When your nickname is the big fundamental, I mean, it's really hard to go, man. Must see tv. Hey, let's tune in and watch. Nice bounce pass or maybe a bank shot here. But they forced you to watch, which is what okay is doing. You got to watch because they're playing in big games. Mike Chirico will be on the call tonight's game six. He'll join us next year. Dan Patrick show neutral is the number one dermatologist. Recommended hair growth supplement brand trusted by over one and a half million people. Put the hat away, okay? Your hair is not playing the way it did. Maybe in your 20s you got Nutrafol. Men's supplements are peer reviewed, 100% drug free. And that neutrophil will target the key root causes of thinning hair in men, like stress and hormonal changes. Because, man, I should be. I should be bald Todd. Dealing with the stress.
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Mike Chirico
Foreign.
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Dan Patrick
We will come up with a poll question here momentarily. 877-3-DP Show Operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. Joey Votto will join us coming up next hour. Say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country. Over 400 that carry this award nominated program. Mike Chirico wins award and he won a sports Emmy. Do you have a trophy case at your house?
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Mike Chirico
Hi. Nice to talk to you too. No, I don't, I don't.
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Dan Patrick
Where do they go?
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Mike Chirico
There's. This was the. I think I have six now for various projects and a couple for me. One as a host or play by play. One's downstairs, one's up in my office. The third one's on the way. I guess. I, I don't know.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Mike Chirico
I don't know, but. Sorry.
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Dan Patrick
All right. Well, I mean, it's a humble brag when you go, I think I've won six.
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Mike Chirico
Yeah, I, because the counting is weird. Like if you're part of like Sunday Night Football won for best series. So I don't know if that goes on my count or not, which I think it does, but I don't. But when they say X number, X type, Costas is like 73 time Emmy Award winner Bob Costa's like, whatever. They're, they're just, they're just recognition by your peers that your tape was the best of the tapes that were sent in, which is really, which is really what it is. So it's, you know what it is, Dan? Honestly, it's. You had good moments in the games you covered and you didn't screw them up. That's what it is.
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Dan Patrick
Have you seen Costas, his, his Emmy room?
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Mike Chirico
I've seen, I've seen it as a back they use as a background for a zoom at some point. I did see that.
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Dan Patrick
I did see that.
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Mike Chirico
Yeah. That's not where we'll never get there. Nor will we have just, just kind of. Yeah. Dust them off.
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Dan Patrick
How close are the Thunder to being considered a dynasty?
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Mike Chirico
Oh, no, not yet. No, no, no, no, no.
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Dan Patrick
Two titles.
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Mike Chirico
No, no, no, no. We, we fast forward this stuff so much. Let's go back like the Whole dynasty conversation is almost impossible to hold up to. The dynasties that we grew up with, lakers, Celtics, Steelers, etc. Yankees. Because players move like the thunder will come back with a different piece and a different piece and same for the next team and the next team like we, we gotta slow down on this stuff. Look, they've won one title. They're trying to get to the finals for a second time. If they win that, that's a all time good run. It's not the Celtics. The Celtics and the Lakers, they were just in the finals every year. Right. And somebody had to do everything they could to knock him out for a year like the Sixers did. Right. Or so I just think we fast forward this conversation way too much. They're a really, really good team. They have the potential because of what Sam Presti has done to build this organization and the capital they have coming up in the draft and the moves they can make which are different than everyone else.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I think having those players locked in under contract moving forward is key.
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Mike Chirico
Well, those, those big three in J Dub, Jalen Williams and Holmgren and Shea. But now with those first round picks that he has, you can do things like trade a one and three twos for Jared McCain. Nobody had that capital to go get a second year player who Philadelphia said, you know what, we can't play three guards with Tyrese Maxey and BJ Edgecombe and McCain. So let's move him while his value is high. And if Sam doesn't make that move with these injuries they have, maybe they're not 32 in this series. Right. So. So those, those are the ways you can build something that lasts for a long time in an era where that's really hard financially to do because of paying all the. Look, you draft well, you have to pay these guys and then that's a problem. I think of the Lions in the NFL, they've really drafted well the last few years with a bunch of young core players. Now you got to pay them all. And so every time there's another Edge rusher out there, Lions fans like, well, why don't you go get him? Well, you can't. You just don't have enough financial room.
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Dan Patrick
How big of a story is Wemby skipping out on the media? I don't know what happened at the end of the game, Mike, but I don't know.
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Mike Chirico
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
If that's a big deal tonight for you guys in leading into game six,
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Mike Chirico
it's a watch early in the game. Right. You'll watch early in the game. Are there more hard fouls? Is there some message sent? I think Dan, and you know, you live so many of these series. Gosh, we sat next to each other during some of the finals runs when we were both working radio and doing SportsCenter over the years. Like you carry a tone to the next game, but it changes just like this. And I think it's different when veterans are the guys who are out there setting that tone. Young guys have a lot going on. They have never, half the San Antonio team, probably two thirds of their rotation have never faced an elimination game in the NBA playoffs. Right. Think about it. It's the first playoff series for Wemby and Castle and all those guys that we've talked about, Dylan, Harper and even Vassell, they had did not face elimination the first two rounds. They are facing an elimination game. They will walk into the game today with a feeling of pressure of must win that they never have before except in the NBA cup in December where you knew there were tomorrows. Here you don't. So I think it's really hard to have that and be of the mindset of let's sit this hard foul on this guy. So I don't know if it carries over one to the next. Wemby not talking, not the first time, not the last time. Somebody skipped out on the media like first timers before he gets warned he'll get fined if he does it again. Lesson learned, I would guess talking to
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Dan Patrick
Mike Chirico and he'll be on the call tonight. Game 6, Western Conference Finals Thunder spurs with Reggie Miller and Jamal Crawford tip off 8:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock. I watched a little bit of WNBA action with Caitlin Clark and I was trying to juxtapose that with the NBA. And it feels like there's more play on moments in the WNBA than there is the NBA. It feels there's a lot of contact and it's a lot rougher than what people realize it. But it feels like maybe the NBA needs to have a few more play on moments. And Reggie Miller talked about this the previous game where he goes, that's a play on. That's not a foul. Yeah, yeah.
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Mike Chirico
So. So let's separate these for a second. The WNBA has had a massive officiating, officiating problem over the last couple of years. So much so that. And I'm thin on the details here, but I just heard it discussed on our studio show with Sue Bird and Cheryl Miller. The opening night. They, they had a committee come together to try to figure out what they're going to do and how they're going to do it to be better about their officiating. So I don't want to hold up something that has put their hand up and said we have a problem as the example. I do think the physicality of the playoffs is significantly different than the regular season product. And why? Familiarity. We're not walking in in January in Salt Lake City and putting up Patrick on the board. Likes to go left, right. Okay, great, I'll get there. No, now it's, you know what angle Dan is at when he wants to try to start going left and you're playing defense. And now you've learned that opponent. Think of the guy at the gym or the gal at the gym you play against by game five or six, you know their moves or even pickleball or tennis, you know what they do well and take it away. That's what happens in playoffs here. So the physicality has to ramp up. And I think there have been more play ons, but I think now everybody takes every angle and puts it on online. Look at this. Here's an example of a foul. Yeah. If you slow down an NFL game, every play looks like a hold or pass interference. So there's a balance. I think that's why the human element of officiating is there. Is it perfect? No. It's also something that you can't look at. And you'd say it's a foul and I'd say it's not a foul. It's just because that contact has to be allowed, in my opinion, at this point in the series. But if you are. I love the football term. If it material materially restricts what you do, if my contact keeps you from trying to score or get to the place you want to get to, that should be a foul, period.
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Dan Patrick
Did you grow up a Knicks fan?
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Mike Chirico
I did, I did, yeah.
- [32:05]
Dan Patrick
So there was. You never got to see them win.
- [32:08]
Mike Chirico
Yeah, I'm old enough. I don't remember all of it, but. So Marv, Marv Albert was the radio announcer for the Knicks and they put out a record. It's one of those round things you put on a record player. For those of you who didn't get the retro trend when it came around a few years ago, they put a record of the Knicks championship season and I must have listened to that when I was 7, 8, 9 years old as I was falling in love with sports and broadcasting. So I remember it, but I don't. I can't tell you. I saw Willis come out of the tunnel But I remember what that feeling was like as a Knick fan at that time.
- [32:44]
Dan Patrick
How do you sum up, describe, encapsulate what's happened with the Knicks this year?
- [32:50]
Mike Chirico
I haven't they been given the championship? I've been watching. I watched ESPN the morning after the Knicks won the Eastern Conference final. And like the stage managers wearing waving Knicks flags, I'm like, what the heck? Slow down, slow down. They have been unbelievable, believable. And we had them seven, eight times this year. Then we had them after their last playoff loss against Atlanta. And Mike Brown did a terrific job. I thought of tweaking the offense. Karl Anthony Town is a point forward. It's unlocked everybody. We rarely see all five guys going at the same time. And right now they're all going. I will say the defense that they're about to face from either one of these teams is a massive step up from the defense they saw. Like, did you see any Cleveland cavalier turn a guard a different way coming up the floor, like Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart? They just had like free reign to come down the floor. So I think it's going to be another step up. But what they're doing is great and it's really good. When a city loves basketball the way New York does, to see that kind of basketball played, what it does remind me of Dan is watching and listening to stories about how the 70s Knicks played together, shared the ball, guys had their role and embraced it. And that's why they're a forever team remembered in New York. And I think this team does that and embodies basketball at its purest rich, best of enjoyment, movement and teamwork.
- [34:14]
Dan Patrick
I was talking to Vincent Goodwill, great NBA reporter for the Mothership, and I said, you got to win the title. Yeah, yeah, this is New York. And he said, no, this is the Knicks. They're not used to getting here. So he was saying, you know, this is kind of a. If we get, you know, we're going to get to the finals even if we don't win, we've had a successful year. I said, you've had a successful year. Yes, but this is a city that is predicated on winning, not getting there.
- [34:42]
Mike Chirico
Correct, Correct. I mean, unless you get the parade in the Hero of Canyons, you're not remembered as a forever team. If you do, then you become a special team in the biggest city that has millions and millions of sports followers who revere those guys. Walt Clyde Frazier is revered at 81 years old. When you're in Madison Square Garden, I love seeing Clyde. When I see Clyde, when we're doing a game and it's a side by side or Clyde happens to be in the building, like I want to go say hi because Clyde is still cool as dang guy this side of Joe namath, right? Those two guys growing up in the 70s in New York, that was the definition of the cool professional athlete. And Clyde still has that in his 80s. And so does Joe. Anytime you talk to him or you're around him, we've changed. It's a different era, but it's been so long. And I think what's cool about New York for the fans is that those fans, when this team was unwatchable, they went and enjoyed good basketball from the opponents. Games at the Garden always matter to players that walk up that ramp to go into the building. And I think to have the best basketball in the world, the NBA Finals in that building, plus the New York part of it makes it makes it really cool. It's going to be great finals. I cannot wait to be off and watch. Not shave and watch Breen and those guys work for a couple of weeks. I'm looking forward to the Finals.
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Dan Patrick
Will you go to a game?
- [36:10]
Mike Chirico
No. This is the. Whenever this ends, either tonight or game seven on Saturday, that's the end of the run that started in September with Sunday Night Football and then Olympics and Super bowl and started the NBA for us at NBC. And so this is, this is the last 365 yards of the marathon. So I am going to go home and chill until the US Open in a couple of weeks and then chill after that. But I will, I will enjoy watching for sure.
- [36:37]
Dan Patrick
Do you have broadcasting superstitions on game day?
- [36:42]
Mike Chirico
No, no, not really. I have patterns and habits, but it's not like, oh my gosh, if I don't eat a Caesar salad with chicken, this is going to be a bad broadcast. Although with Reggie Miller and Zora Stevenson, we have ordered more Caesars with chicken in NBA arenas than most people over the last two. This has been. I forgot how much fun the NBA is. This has been so much fun. And Reg and Jamal and Sora and Ashley Shaminy, we have had, we've had like the greatest time. Like, if there's anything I'm rooting for tonight, I, I'd love to get us to a game seven because I'd love to do two more days with this group. We've had a blast. And you have Reggie on every week, so everybody knows how fun Reg can be. I mean, two weeks on the road with Reg that really three and a half weeks has been just all time fun and Jamal the same. So it's been great.
- [37:30]
Dan Patrick
I think Jamal's been unbelievable.
- [37:33]
Mike Chirico
He's great, Dan. His stories, his vision, what he sees in the game is really good. And you know, three man booths work or don't work based on a ton of things. These guys are so giving and they talk to each other. We go a couple of possessions and they're going back and forth and back and forth. I'm just sitting there listening to them like there's no reason to get in the way of this. And that starts in the car. It happens at lunch, it continues on the air and that's when you have something good. So I'm having the greatest time. And shout out to these two cities like they'll be the small market against the big market. But man, like, I have a headache. My ears ring for 30 minutes coming out of the building and I. Because your headphones are cranked up because you can't hear each other. And it's so is. This has been so much fun. It's been great.
- [38:19]
Dan Patrick
Before I let you go, the NFL growth here. I know now it feels like we're kicking Sunday one o' clock games to the curb.
- [38:26]
Mike Chirico
Yeah, yeah.
- [38:27]
Dan Patrick
But. But I understand it because I'll watch one game at 1:00'. Clock. I'll watch, you know, a 4:30 game, you know, occasionally the red zone. But then you watch a standalone game on Sunday and a standalone game on Monday and a standalone game. This is what all of these different partners want. But where do you stand on sort of the. I don't. If you say the fragmentation of what used to be the NFL schedule and where we're headed.
- [38:56]
Mike Chirico
I used to get frustrated. I go back to 40 years ago. I get really frustrated that I couldn't watch the Bengals play at one o' clock when they weren't all that good or even when they were halfway decent. Pick a team like. Because I like football. So, you know, having four or five games in the one o' clock window still fine. There are weeks. It gets thin. There are weeks towards the end, it gets thin. I think to avoid it getting thin, what I would suggest is that the league does what the Premier League does. Here's who you're playing December 13th. We're not going to assign starting times or TV networks until like a month out. So we'll know that in those individual windows there are good games. Because bad games and individual windows hurt the product. Good games help. So that's the best game. But make sure you've got a game of some meaning. And I think the only way to do that from mid November on is to okay Thursday nights. You almost have to assign for travel logistics so people will get backed up with that. But I would put the week 12, 14, 16 schedule just like we do the last week of the season. Let's wait and then we don't have to do it a week before. Three or four weeks before. You're the Sunday night, you're the Monday night, you're this, you're the Sunday afternoon, Saturday afternoon. That's the way I think the individual windows can still maintain significance. Have a good 4 packet 1, 3 packet 4, 30 and go from there. Just. Just one guy's opinion. Yeah, it's like same thing. If nothing's easier to do than tell somebody else how to do their job. So that's what I'm doing.
- [40:31]
Dan Patrick
Congrats again on the sports Emmy and thank you. Have fun. Good to talk.
- [40:35]
Joey Votto
Thank you, pal.
- [40:36]
Dan Patrick
All right.
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Mike Chirico
Yeah, Good talk with you, man. Him straight.
- [40:38]
Dan Patrick
Mike Chirico, he's the voice of, well, he's just the voice. NBC Football night in America and basketball and the super bowl and the Olympics. Kentucky Derby, US Open, Open Championship. He'll be on the call tonight. That'll be game six in San Antonio, 8:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, we'll take a break. Our play of the day is up next.
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Dan Patrick
Harmony thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning, 9 until noon Eastern, 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. More of your phone calls coming up. It's been pointed out to me by my Dodger source. Keep in mind LA uses a six man rotation. That means Shohei Ohtani will get about six less starts than his competitors. That might keep him from winning the Cy Young. I think you got to get to around 170, 75 innings. That's kind of where we've been the low end of those who have won the Cy Young in recent years with the new way that we present starting pitchers in Major League Baseball. He's Joey votto. He played 17 years and he was a six time all star. He won an MVP. He'll be working for NBC Sports later this summer, their baseball coverage and the wild card playoffs. Great to see you again.
- [44:50]
Joey Votto
Great to see you.
- [44:51]
Dan Patrick
Where have you been in the last year?
- [44:56]
Joey Votto
I have been all over. I spent about three months in Japan, a couple months in Mexico City, all over Europe.
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Mike Chirico
I've.
- [45:03]
Joey Votto
I've seen some incredible places around the world. I spent a month surfing in Sri Lanka. I could keep going, but, you know, you travel and you think, I'm going to see the whole world and you realize there's only so much you can see as you'll in not too long experience.
- [45:19]
Dan Patrick
Okay. Did you become a sushi chef?
- [45:22]
Joey Votto
I did, I did. I did a five week course at the Tokyo Sushi Academy in Shinjuku. The best part about it was nobody knew who I was and so they bullied me the whole time. I was raised in the kitchen. My father was a chef. My parents had a restaurant for five years. And it brought me back to when I was seven years old, being told to sweep this up and mop this up and carry that bucket. And I didn't say anything for the five weeks. And it wasn't until the end that I thanked them and I shared what I did for a long time.
- [45:53]
Dan Patrick
And then you went surfing in Sri Lanka. How is the surfing in Sri Lanka?
- [45:58]
Joey Votto
Fantastic. The best. But I've been all over. I surfed in Ireland, I surfed in Portugal, Spain, Japan. I've surfed all over the world.
- [46:05]
Dan Patrick
Wait, surfing in Ireland?
- [46:08]
Joey Votto
Fantastic.
- [46:09]
Mike Chirico
Real, like the best.
- [46:10]
Joey Votto
It's my favorite place, actually. It's because, because the, the traffic is. There's so there's much less people there and, and the conditions are excellent. Yeah, Ireland's great.
- [46:21]
Dan Patrick
Are you doing a TV show about your travels?
- [46:24]
Joey Votto
No, why? I've. I've got nothing to say. I'm not that interesting. This is my best moment in life right here, exchanging with you.
- [46:30]
Dan Patrick
Wait, wait. You're the most interesting man in the world. Forget the guy on the Dos Equis commercial.
- [46:38]
Joey Votto
No, no, I, I didn't do. I don't think it's a good idea to do that. And, and really, I don't think anyone's interested.
- [46:46]
Dan Patrick
I am. I was fascinated when I saw that you were all over the world doing all these great things. And you know, you spent 17 years in the major league, so probably add another, what, five or ten to that where you didn't get to do these things. And a lot of athletes are that way after they retire, they're like, I didn't get to go to a Indy 500 or the Kentucky Dirt. You like normal things that we can go to. But it felt like you were you had a bucket list of, these are places I want to go and things I want to do.
- [47:17]
Joey Votto
Not to be disrespectful to the athlete community in general, but I. I get scared of being someone that talks about the past, that talks about the days of yore and how special I was and how I did this and that and magazine covers and all this celebrity type experience. And I promise myself, you're going to go see the world and you're going to see how people live, and you're going to participate. Maybe not live it exactly, but witness it and be reminded you're not special at all. Nobody cares about you. Nobody even wants to hear about your story. And the more I travel, the more I feel like it humbles me in the best of ways. And I had a terrible. During the course of my career, you develop a terrible ego, an awful ego. And even though I come off as I can act like I have humility inside, I thought I was special. And just the traveling alone reminded me that you're not special at all. Get in line. When I was in a line for 75 minutes outside of a taco stand or coffee shop or something, and I'm standing there like everybody else, and I'm thinking, if I was back home, I'd be able to call in and get to the front floor. Here, they're like, dude, beat it.
- [48:36]
Dan Patrick
Where was the strangest place you were recognized?
- [48:41]
Joey Votto
Some places in Europe, you cross paths with people, but almost nowhere. And that was such a gift. I mean, I'm not a famous person and I played in a small market, but to be able to just really be left be. And it was just the constant reminder of how unspecial you are is being shoved in the subway. You know, you're in Mexico City or you're in Tokyo and people are hissing at you because of, like, because you're too much in their space or you're stepping on their foot or your bag should be between your legs was just a constant reminder of, dude, you couldn't be less special.
- [49:17]
Dan Patrick
But the amazing part, you were wearing your Cincinnati Reds uniform when you were traveling and nobody recognized you.
- [49:23]
Joey Votto
Wow, my eye black. My number on the back.
- [49:30]
Dan Patrick
Are we taking Ohtani for granted?
- [49:35]
Joey Votto
He hasn't even gotten hot. I know that he's had a really nice start to the pitching side of things, but offensively, I don't even sense that. And I was reading that he's still not satisfied. But I saw some stuff yesterday in his swings that tell me we really. And I don't like using hyperbole. I think I'm going to try to, in the course of my media career, to be as tame as possible. But I really think we might be in the middle of one of, if not the greatest season in the history of baseball. And I say that because, first of all, most of the all time great seasons have asterisk question marks and the other few were before integration was even a part of the game. And so the extreme ends of greatness were mitigated because integration was a part of the game. And he's playing against the very, very best in the world now. So to me, I think we're on, on. We have a chance to see one of the great seasons of all time.
- [50:40]
Dan Patrick
It feels like the Cy Young is really important to him. And I mean, he's got, I don't know if you say unfair advantage. He created the unfair advantage that he gets to hit and pitch at a very high level. He's going to win another MVP this year, right?
- [50:55]
Joey Votto
Nothing's for sure. The starting pitcher for the Philly Sanchez has had an excellent start. We typically don't give away the MVP to pitchers, but it's going to be five and six years. If he wins it. It's going to be unanimous if he wins it. I really think, I really think we're talking about Tiger woods in our lifetime, Michael Jordan in our lifetime. I think we're talking about one of the great athletes of the 21st century. And I don't know if it's because of the nature of baseball in that you watch us every day and we don't wow you and we ask you to kind of tune in on a daily basis and evaluate us at the end of six and seven months. But at the very end of the season, Shohei is not only going to give you the goods, but he's also going to do it on both sides of the ball. And I don't think we'll have ever. I don't know if we'll ever see this sort of greatness for a long. I don't know if we'll see it in our lifetime unless Sam Altman and Elon step in and extend their lives a couple hundred years. So we'll see.
- [51:58]
Dan Patrick
I got you facing Ohtani once.
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Joey Votto
Yeah, yeah. Funny enough, that ended my career essentially. And it was the day he got his second Tommy John. So it was like the, it was a bad moment for the both of us.
- [52:16]
Dan Patrick
Wait, what happened?
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Joey Votto
Well, he, in this, after his second, after maybe the third or fourth inning, blew out his arm for his second Tommy John, he left one of the most impressive. I'll tell a quick Johei Ohtani story. One of the most impressive things I've ever seen on a baseball field. He got taken out in the third or fourth inning because he needed a second Tommy John. He, before he came out of the game, he went up to bat and hit a ball 117 miles an hour into the right field stand for a home run against a left handed pitcher and then left and had surgery. I mean, what, who is this alien? And then me, I just, I, I ended up popping out against him and
- [52:57]
Dan Patrick
you know, so yeah, he's a big guy.
- [53:02]
Mike Chirico
He's a big guy.
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Joey Votto
He's a big six four, probably 240.
- [53:06]
Mike Chirico
Yeah.
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Joey Votto
And he's as fast, he's as fast as anyone also. So he's got a lot of things going for him.
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Dan Patrick
I was wondering about this, that the Baseball Players association talking about there should be a minimum level of spending. I've, I've been preaching this for years and you have certain ownership that they will spend just enough. But the Player association saying, you know, you want to get up, we want you to move up, we want to raise the floor. We may not have a ceiling, but we got to raise the floor. What do you think about this proposal?
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Joey Votto
Well, I'm guessing that in any negotiation, if you make such a grand ask, there's going to be, you know, a reaction to it in that donors will ask for something pretty specific on, on the top end. And is that what you want to do? I, I don't know enough about the, the goals of the Players association, but I can say that if they're asking, asking a floor, then there's going to be some real serious asks on the top end. But you know, if, if, if some of the smaller market teams can afford it, then it should be done. But I'm, I'm not sure if that's the case. I don't know.
- [54:14]
Dan Patrick
Do you see a salary cap at some point with baseball?
- [54:19]
Joey Votto
During the entire course of my career and the generation before the constant fight was no salary cap. It was always that if there was anything we stood for, it was. We don't even want to hear the language of a salary cap. I'm not in the game anymore and I'm apprehensive of speaking on what the current group of players, their goal is. If that's what their, their objective is, then, then you know, respect to them. But when I played, even mentioning, even, even mentioning a salary cap might get you in a fight and And I'm talking about, like an actual in clubhouse confrontation.
- [54:56]
Dan Patrick
So, you know, we'll see the automated balls and strikes. How comfortable would you be stepping in with that part of the game looming?
- [55:09]
Joey Votto
I was one of those players that I'm the type of guy to defer, and I think it's in my nature to be deferential. Whether when I was a younger player, I would defer to the veterans, whether it was like the big tough guys on the team, I would defer. And I think I would have had a really hard time. I think I would have had a really hard time with the taking a strike away from my team and us needing it in it later in the game, like, getting it wrong. And so I think I would have more, most of the time just passed unless I was like, for sure, for sure that in this moment the team needs me to get it right. So I don't know. I think I would have taken a lot of balls and let them call strikes and on the rare occasion, you know, stepped in.
- [55:59]
Dan Patrick
Do you like the automated balls and strikes?
- [56:04]
Joey Votto
In some occasions, yeah. But it makes me a little nuts seeing guys be consistently selfish. You know, there's moments where you'll see a pitcher emotionally react and tap his hat and the ball's half a foot outside and it's like, dude, we only got two of those, and the game's two one in the eighth inning, and we needed. We needed that. And so I think that there's. There's going to be times where there's going to be, you know, inside of the clubhouse headbutting, but
- [56:30]
WIX Harmony AI Agent
I don't know.
- [56:30]
Joey Votto
I. I like it. I like it fine, but I'm always about protecting the team and the culture of the team, and I just don't. I worry that one particular player can ruin the entire vibe because they're selfish with the abs.
- [56:45]
Dan Patrick
I hope that we get to the point, like tennis, where they just have it and it's up on the jumbotron and the umpires are going to be there to call people out and safe and maybe catchers interference. But balls and strikes, do you have any problem if it's out of the umpire's hands and it's just basically, you're doing computers here.
- [57:07]
Joey Votto
No, I think that they found the right sweet spot. The umpires need to be held to account, the players need to be held to account, and then the fans need to be satisfied. I do like the language from the umpires that will yell at the dugouts if you don't like the call challenge. It and you've seen that over and over and over again because unfairly, they're both being called out by their name. They're both, they're being embarrassed on the big board and on replays in a game that happens like that and people are saying. And then they get endless criticism, but then when they get it wrong and you don't challenge them, you get to criticize them also. And I really feel for the umpires in that, in this.
- [57:46]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but they might embarrass you with a bad call. Nobody.
- [57:49]
Joey Votto
But it's not intentional. It's not intentional.
- [57:52]
Dan Patrick
You never, never felt an umpire intentionally?
- [57:56]
Mike Chirico
Well,
- [58:00]
Dan Patrick
yeah, you can say it now.
- [58:02]
Joey Votto
Oh, multiple occasions. But that's. That was more.
- [58:06]
Dan Patrick
So this was ego against ego, like they had a problem with.
- [58:09]
Mike Chirico
Yeah, yeah.
- [58:10]
Joey Votto
But it was a bit more of a. The Wild west when I first came up, there was like, hey, young buck, you have nothing to say to us?
- [58:18]
Dan Patrick
Strike. Was this Joe West?
- [58:24]
Joey Votto
No, Joe was very professional. He was very professional. I have no, he had a. He had the strike zone that he called perfectly for years and there was no games to be played. But that being said, if he checked him, he wouldn't ding you with a, with a below the belt strike. He would walk up to you face to face like this and say, do you have something to say, young man?
- [58:51]
Dan Patrick
But do you, but do you agree that Maddox and Glavin and Smoltz, Bonds and Boggs and Karoo and Gwynn, like, they, they got the benefit of the doubt? Like should players get the benefit of
- [59:04]
Joey Votto
the doubt, then they may have. But not now with, not now with abs. Not now, but with abs. But I, I think that back then for sure. But you have to remember those guys bent the ball. Maddox bent the ball horizontally. And that appears as if it's in the zone and it exits the zone. And it's the same with, with same with Glavin. Same with all the guys you were describing. Roy Halladay was many. Rest in peace is the exact same way. They would bend the ball in and out of the zone. And that was the, that was the game they were playing. They were trying to create delusion of straggle.
- [59:41]
Dan Patrick
Who had the best stuff that you ever faced where you just said, this is somebody from a different planet?
- [59:47]
Joey Votto
I'll tell you a quick story. Cece Sabathia got traded over to the Milwaukee brewers and he's 6 foot 7, 285 pounds, big intimidating guy and left handed pitcher. And Milwaukee has these shadows. And Dusty Baker on my birthday, September 10th on my birthday said, cc's throwing tomorrow. I want you to take the day off. And I go, no, I want to face him. I want to face him. And he starts, strikes me out four times, a few balls up and in at my chin. And he's the type of guy that not only will strike you out, not only will he dominate you, but he'll throw a ball at you, walk up to you, snatch the ball, and be like, you want to fight sort of thing. So Cece was the toughest guy for me because of the combination of stuff and intimidation factor. And he'd fight you, you, and he'd fight you.
- [60:42]
Dan Patrick
Paulie, do you have his numbers against Cece?
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Paulie
Of course we do. Joey Vada was 3 for 16 in his career. Hit.188 versus Sabathia.
- [60:50]
Dan Patrick
Okay, all right. You got three knocks off of you,
- [60:53]
Joey Votto
and the rest were strikeouts or, you know,
- [60:58]
Dan Patrick
tappers, little feeble tap. Imagine if you tried to bunt on Nolan Ryan back in the day.
- [61:07]
Joey Votto
You know, these guys. It was a different. And I'm going to go on with BK later on MLB Network and talk about Juan Soto and how the game has changed in terms of. In terms of how the celebration is a part of the game and how it used to be a threat to your own livelihood, a threat to your health if you celebrate it. And. And. And the game has changed, I think, for the best because the pitchers don't get to police the game anymore. But, you know, sometimes it gets a little out of hand.
- [61:36]
Dan Patrick
It's great to talk to you again.
- [61:38]
Joey Votto
Good to see you.
- [61:39]
Dan Patrick
Where's the next trip?
- [61:43]
Joey Votto
I've got a round of golf on Saturday. That's the farthest I'll go down the street.
- [61:47]
Dan Patrick
Okay, we'll talk to you later. Maybe this summer when you start your baseball coverage with NBC.
- [61:53]
Joey Votto
Can't wait. Thanks, Dan.
- [61:55]
Dan Patrick
Thank you, buddy. Joey Votto, the most interesting man in the world. He'll be an analyst for NBC Sports later this summer. Wild card playoffs. He's a good interview. He is an interesting guy. I don't know if he knows how good he is, but he's like Jamal Crawford. Like, there are certain guys, and I will talk to them. And Chris Weber always has this story. Like, there's certain guys that they just go, oh, you know, that reminds me. Music to my ears. When a guest says, oh, you know what? Here's a story I haven't told. Yes, I'm all ears. So thank you to Joey Voto. We'll take a break. Back after this.
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