The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Best of Episode Summary

Date: June 25, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick
Featured Guests: Chris Mannix (Sports Illustrated), Eric Wynalda (US Soccer Hall of Famer), Stacy Dales (NFL Network, former WNBA All-Star)

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Overview

This episode of "The Dan Patrick Show" delivers a robust mix of NBA trade talk, US soccer’s rising fortunes, and the latest WNBA controversies. With exclusive interviews and Dan’s signature blend of humor and sharp insight, the discussions zero in on league-changing trades, the evolving status of US national teams, and concerns over athlete safety and officiating in the WNBA. Notable guests Chris Mannix, Eric Wynalda, and Stacy Dales provide deep dives into their respective sports, peppered with authoritative takes and inside information.

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Segment 1: NBA Trade Rumors & Analysis

[02:15 - 12:15]
Guest: Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated

Key Discussion Points:

• Second Round NBA Draft Recap

  • Both Dan and Chris admit to a lukewarm interest in the second round, seeing few impact players but noting increased selection of big men as teams try to prepare for defending dominant centers like Victor Wembanyama.
    • "If you've got an opportunity when you have bigs, you load up on Biggs because everything now is being geared towards how do you defend Victor Wembanyama in a playoff series." – Chris Mannix [02:44]

• Boston Celtics' Pursuit of Giannis

  • Contrary to rumors, Mannix reveals Celtics were never truly “all in” on trading for Giannis, in contrast to Miami Heat’s approach. Boston maintained discipline, unwilling to dismantle their core or mortgage the future.
    • "Boston was never willing to do that. They were very disciplined from the beginning here... The undisciplined team is probably going to win." – Chris Mannix [03:33]

• LaMelo Ball Blockbuster Trade to Minnesota

  • Dan and Chris break the news and analyze Charlotte trading LaMelo Ball to Minnesota. Mannix lays out the reasoning: Charlotte’s focus on new talent, lingering health issues for LaMelo, and Minnesota’s desperation for a star point guard.
    • "Minnesota was always the team I thought was in the pole position because they had a desperate need for a point guard..." – Chris Mannix [05:17]

• Celtics’ Jaylen Brown Drama

  • Chris details Boston’s evolving stance on Jaylen Brown, noting the difference in current trade talks: the Celtics are now more broadly engaged with multiple teams and players, indicating a significant shift in organizational strategy.
    • "It does feel like we've crossed a certain threshold. Is it the point of no return? I don't know." – Chris Mannix [07:27]

• Lakers, Austin Reaves Extension, and LeBron’s Future

  • Mannix downplays a direct link between Reaves’ contract and LeBron’s status, seeing the latter’s future as more tied to LA roots and willingness to accept a reduced deal rather than chasing another super-team elsewhere.
    • "My gut feeling, Dan, has been for weeks that they figure it out... If he has to go into the luxury tax to pay LeBron James $25 million on a short term deal, he's going to do that." – Chris Mannix [08:32]
  • Discusses potential for a LeBron sign-and-trade back to Cleveland or a major Celtics–Cavs swap involving Jaylen Brown and Evan Mobley.

Notable Quotes:

• "Even in his 40s, [LeBron James] is worth every nickel of a max salary because of the revenue he drives a team... these max salary guys … are underpaid." – Chris Mannix [10:25]
• "I like the idea of the Cavs and Celtics exploring a Evan Mobley-Jaylen Brown type of swap because I do think it makes sense for both sides." – Chris Mannix [11:16]

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Segment 2: US Soccer World Cup Preview

[16:29 - 29:47]
Guest: Eric Wynalda, US Soccer Hall of Famer

Key Discussion Points:

• Growth of US Men’s National Team (USMNT) Depth

  • Wynalda traces the transformation from a top-heavy team to a squad with real depth – 18 to 19 players deep capable of contributing.
    • "It's just more good players... when you have six or seven guys that can do it... That's why this is a different group. I think we're about 18, 19 players deep." – Eric Wynalda [17:24]

• Home-Field Pressure in World Cup

  • Talks about the positive and negative aspects of hosting, emphasizing this group is ready and unfazed by big moments.

• US Chances Against Top Teams

  • Wynalda disagrees with those who call a US win “impossible,” naming France, Spain, and Brazil as formidable but not unbeatable – predicting a semifinal US run.
    • "There's nobody we're afraid of anymore. There's nobody that we go on the field and say, well, let's give it a good go. We're probably going to lose. I don't think these guys think that way. And that's the difference." – Eric Wynalda [19:16]
  • "Nothing is impossible, Tim [Howard]... I thought we had a chance to get to the semifinals. People call me crazy. I'm going to still hold true to that." – Eric Wynalda [19:24]

• Squad Management and Christian Pulisic

  • Highlights the luxury of depth: resting/having Pulisic recover was possible thanks to the squad's quality.
    • "What a luxury that is, right? To have our best player sitting out and we're still winning games..." – Eric Wynalda [20:52]

• Messi’s “Sleep and Sprint” Genius

  • Colorful breakdown of Messi’s playmaking style, equating his patient off-ball movement to the challenge of “trying to kill an ant with the point of a pencil.”
    • "All I know is the more you try, the faster he gets, and then you end up with a broken pencil." – Eric Wynalda [23:36]

• Future Stars

  • Names Lamine Yamal as the next transcendent soccer talent.

• Fox’s Coverage and Broadcast Critique

  • Honest take: admires some personalities but finds the presentation uneven and sometimes “all over the place.”
    • "It looked good on paper ... and then they actually turned the cameras on and it got a little... little silly." – Eric Wynalda [27:18]

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Segment 3: WNBA Officiating Controversy and Missing Legends

[33:43 - 46:28]
Guest: Stacy Dales, NFL Network and former WNBA All-Star

Key Discussion Points:

• Dangerous Play and Officiating in WNBA

  • Stacy Dales expresses outrage over recent physical incidents in Fever-Sun games (throat shot, knee to groin to Caitlin Clark) and inadequate officiating response.
    • "What I saw last night with these two teams tangling...was absolutely unacceptable, egregious." – Stacy Dales [34:28]
    • Highlights the challenge of officiating dynamic shooters like Caitlin Clark, lack of upgrades to flagrant fouls, and the need for the league to issue suspensions or set new standards for player safety.

• Why Clark Is Hard to Officiate

  • Discusses how her unique skillset creates tricky defensive scenarios and why officials may be frustrated by her outspokenness, comparing to NBA stars like Luka Doncic.
    • "She's really hard to guard, Dan, and she's really hard to officiate...I think there is a real element of, like, when she does this all the time, like, that annoys officials." – Stacy Dales [35:28], [38:10]

• Absence of WNBA Legends on 30th Anniversary Poster

  • Broad confusion and disappointment over legends like Sue Bird, Diana Taurasi, Tamika Catchings, Candace Parker—and current stars like Caitlin Clark—being omitted.
    • "If you're leaving out Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird, Tamika Catchings, Candace Parker and oh by the way, Caitlin Clark, something's wrong with that picture." – Dan Patrick [33:43]
    • Considers that generational or even licensing/rights issues may be at play; notes Sophie Cunningham’s inclusion but not Clark, Mitchell, or other high-profile names.
    • "I don't know who created it. I don't know why certain players were excluded because it didn’t seem inclusive to me..." – Stacy Dales [44:28]

• League Response and Perception

  • Dales calls for commissioner Engelbert to use this as a “precedent-setting” moment for discipline.
    • "Kathy Engelbert has an opportunity today to rectify this and make a statement and we'll see if she does." – Stacy Dales [38:10]

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Memorable Moments

• Wynalda on Messi:
  "Have you ever tried to kill an ant with the point of a pencil? All I know is the more you try, the faster he gets, and then you end up with a broken pencil." [23:36]

• Mannix on Miami's All-In Behavior:
  "Miami would have traded like Pat Riley's grandchild plus like a stake in the Clevelander..." [03:33]

• Stacy Dales’ Call for WNBA Leadership:
  "It would be actually addressing the throat shot. Yeah, I mean, that, it would be that—whether that's some sort of a suspension is levied, I'm not sure, I'm not sure what that looks like..." [39:52]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• NBA Draft & Trades:
  [02:15-12:15] (Chris Mannix)

• US Soccer Deep Dive:
  [16:29-29:47] (Eric Wynalda)

• WNBA Controversy (Player Safety & Poster):
  [33:43-46:28] (Stacy Dales)

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Tone and Language

The show maintains its mix of sharp sports analysis and laid-back, candid humor. Dan Patrick keeps conversations conversational, often pressing guests for clarity and specifics while allowing room for candid admissions, playful banter, and expert-level breakdowns. The show is accessible for casual fans but never dumbs down the analysis, with guests sharing both their emotional responses and nuanced observations.

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Conclusions & Takeaways

This packed “Best Of” episode highlights:

• Just how volatile the NBA offseason has become, with major names like LaMelo Ball and possibly Jaylen Brown changing teams and reshaping conferences overnight.
• The US Men’s National Soccer Team is deeper and bolder than ever, giving some experts (and fans) permission to dream bigger than just qualifying rounds.
• WNBA faces a crisis of identity in both how it celebrates its stars and how it protects them, with the Caitlin Clark saga revealing cracks in both officiating consistency and league marketing.

Listeners get a tight snapshot of mid-year sports turmoil and optimism, with Dan Patrick steering the conversation toward what actually matters inside and outside the box score.

Transcript

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Spring in our first rounder lottery pick. He's Chris Mannix who joins us on the program. Chris, how are you?

[Chris Mannix]

Hi, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you watch the second round last night?

[Chris Mannix]

I monitored. Monitored.

[Dan Patrick]

So did I. And I wasn't working. You were probably working. Is there a name that we should know from the second round?

[Chris Mannix]

I mean, no, I can't sit, like, I can't sit here and say that any of these guys are. I don't see them as impact players necessarily. There was some, there was some size, I thought, drafted in the second round, especially in the first five or six picks. That could be interesting. Especially like the way this league is trending now. And you saw this in the first round of the draft. Like, you know, if you've got an opportunity when you have bigs, you load up on Biggs because everything now is being geared towards how do you defend Victor Wembanyama in a playoff series. So maybe one of these second round bigs, the kid out of North Carolina can you turn into something. But you know, it's, it's a crapshoot when you get past the first round.

[Dan Patrick]

How close were the Celtics to getting Giannis?

[Chris Mannix]

I don't think they were ever close because, you know, I was hearing and reading for days that the Celtics were all in, but everything I heard out of Boston was that they were not all in. Like Miami was all in. Like Miami would have traded like Pat Riley's grandchild plus like a stake in the Clevelander. Like they would have given everything to get their hands on Giannis. Boston was never willing to do that. They were very disciplined from the beginning here. And look, this wasn't as simple as, like, you know, if they threw in Hugo Gonzalez, the deal would have gotten done and it wasn't like that. Like, if they had said yes to someone like Hugo, then more likely Milwaukee would have come back and said Baylor, Shireman and pick swaps and all the things that they got out of the Miami Heat. You know, Boston made it clear they're willing to do this deal, but they weren't willing to blow up their team and mortgage their future in order to do it. So when you're dealing with a disciplined team versus one that frankly was rather undisciplined in this process, the undisciplined team is probably going to win.

[Dan Patrick]

This just happened. Shams reporting. The Hornets are trading Lamelo Ball and Josh Green to Minnesota for Nas Reed. 2033 unprotected first round pick three first round pick swaps three second round picks. Man, this kind of came out of nowhere, but it caught fire. I mentioned it to start the show. It's like, man, could mellow Ball who had a really good year, but it seems like they're moving towards con canIPPLES team than LaMelo Ball. Why was LaMelo Ball on the move?

[Chris Mannix]

Yeah, Minnesota. You know, I figured we're going to talk about this. Minnesota was always the team I thought was in the pole position because they had a desperate need for a point guard and they have a GM and Tim Connolly that's not afraid to make big swings. He did it in Denver. He's done it in Minnesota. I always believed that they were going to be the team that, that won this sweepstakes. I didn't know the, the, the extent of the shopping of Lamelo over the last couple of days, but I was hearing for weeks and months now that, you know, this wasn't going to be Lamelo's team in Charlotte moving forward. When they got their hands on con canipple and he turned out to be the player that he was, and Brandon Miller, who they believe can be like a number one guy on a playoff level team, they were always going to trend in this direction. And last year, Dan, like, the hornets had to, like, move heaven and high water just to get Lamelo healthy enough to play the amount of games that he played. He played less than 30 minutes per game. This was like a wembanyama, like, treatment for LaMelo Ball. Last year, like, they really worked to get him to the point where he was able to have the kind of season that they had. They knew there was no guarantees that that kind of health was going to continue when you look back at his history. So they were always, I think, going to be looking to do a deal like this. And just like I said earlier, when you get a desperate team, and that's Minnesota desperate to get a star point guard to put next Anthony Edwards, to put themselves in the mix in the Western Conference, you get the kind of deal they obviously got.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, I like Nas Reed. You just basically had a salary dump with Julius Randall. Let me go back to the Celtics. Do they have to trade Jaylen Brown now?

[Chris Mannix]

So, you know, I've been chronicling the Jaylen Brown drama for, it feels like a decade now. I mean, this was. I mean, this is a guy whose draft rights was booed on draft night. Like, he has had a very tumultuous tenure in Boston. The reason this feels different, though, than previous Jaylen Brown trade chatter is because all that trade chatter in the past was tied to one player. Like they were after Kawhi Leonard and they knew they had to give Jalen Brown up.

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[Chris Mannix]

They were after Anthony Davis and they knew they had to give Jaylen Brown out 20, 22. They were after Kevin Durant and they knew to get him they'd have to give Jaylen Brown up. This feels different in that from what I'm hearing, it wasn't just about Giannis. Now they're turning around and maybe there's a level of interest in Evan Mobley. Maybe they can talk to Houston about a Amen Thompson type of deal that might include Alper and Sengun. Like they are talking to multiple teams about multiple different players. And that's never really been the case in the past with, with Jaylen Brown. So it does feel like we've crossed a certain threshold. Is it the point of no return? I don't know. I don't think the Celtics are going to just offload him. I think that's for sure because he's too valuable an asset and has too many years left on his contract. But if there's a deal to be done that the Celtics are happy with and they feel like it maximizes Jason Tatum over the next three or four years, I think the Celtics will be motivated to get it done.

[Dan Patrick]

Austin Reeves deal, his extension means what to LeBron's future?

[Chris Mannix]

I don't think it's necessarily tied to LeBron's future because the Lakers always knew this was coming. They knew the threat of Detroit was out there, the threat of Brooklyn was out there, like someone. Utah was a team that prior to all their willing and dealing, was a team that was really interested in Austin Reeves. They knew somebody was going to come to the table with this type of offer. Now with LeBron, what it's really going to boil down to over the next couple of weeks, from what I hear is like, how much money can they give him on a short term deal? Like, what is the maximum dollar and does he want to be there? Like, is he willing to accept, as he did during those brief stretches last year, of being a third option behind Luka Doncic and behind Austin Reaves. How valuable is it to LeBron to be in Los Angeles? Remember in 2018, he came to the Lakers in large part because he wanted L A. Like that team stunk when he got there. It wasn't like we're going to step into a championship team. He wanted to be in la, and that hasn't changed. In fact, that's probably magnified over the last couple of years with Bronny being there and his wife and daughter entrenched in the Southern California area. So my gut feeling, Dan, has been for weeks that they figure it out. Like Mark Walter, the new owner of the Lakers, is not cheap, like he's going to spend the money that he's needed to spend. If he has to go into the luxury tax to pay LeBron James $25 million on a short term deal, he's going to do that. So my feeling is that with LeBron, they'll figure it out in LA and he'll wind up back there.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I just wonder, you know, it feels like when you see that the Lakers would love Jared Allen from the Cleveland Cavaliers and you know, could watch too for a lot of things. Could you do a sign and trade with LeBron in that he would be willing to go back to Cleveland? Like how far fetched do you feel like we're getting here with LeBron's future?

[Chris Mannix]

I don't think we're far fetched. The great unknown is how small a salary is he willing to take. Like LeBron James, even his 40s is worth every nickel of a max salary because of the revenue he drives a team. Like I've always said, these, these max salary guys, and we're at $70 million per year, these guys are underpaid. Like the middle class are the guys that are getting almost overpaid at this point because the stars drive revenue in the NBA. So Steph Curry, LeBron James, they're worth every nickel to their respective teams. But cap wise, you can't pay LeBron those types of numbers anymore. So what is the number that he's willing to, to settle for and be and feel like he's getting his worth, his value with that team? We just don't know the answer to that question just yet. I think with Cleveland though, Dan, like, to me, and I've reported this a little bit last couple of days, to me, the Cleveland's move might be an Evan Mobley, Jalen Brown type of swap like Cleveland. There are a couple of ways you can look at Cleveland season, you can look at it the Kenny Atkinson way, the optimistic way, and say like, we made it to the conference finals. Yes, it took us seven games with Toronto Raptors to get there, but we made it to the conference finals, so we're moving forward. The more realistic way is that they're not there. And Evan Mobley is an excellent player, but I think they get closer to being there by adding Jaylen Brown, who is a proven winner at the championship level, who would fit into their need for wings, who has a phenomenal relationship with Donovan Mitchell. That's another big part of this, trying to get Donovan Mitchell to stay over the long term. I like, I like the idea of the cavs and Celtics exploring a Evan Mobley Jalen Brown type of swap because I do think it makes sense for both sides.

[Dan Patrick]

Great to talk to you again. Thank you Chris.

[Chris Mannix]

You got it, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Chris Mannick, Sports Illustrated.

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You gotta love his passion and his opinions. Not afraid. Eric Winalda US National Soccer hall of Famer and he host Winalda Talks Football on Sirius XM FC. He played for three World cup teams and retired from national play in 2000. And he was the all time leading scorer in American history with 34 goals. Are you still the all time leading scorer?

Hell no. They passed me up a long time ago. That's okay. I think I'm like fifth or sixth.

Okay. But you don't hold a grudge or anything, do you?

Of course not. Of course not. Records are meant to be broken. That's how that works.

Explain to me the talent now, the number of World cup teams you were on. But if we're looking at the talent that we have, let's say offensive firepower, how different is this team than teams in the last 25, 30 years?

It's kind of the debate, Dan. I mean, I think the biggest thing that we got right now is, is the reality of, of we had just more players. I mean, something when somebody comes at me and says, hey, we're so much better, we are a lot better. It's a much better team. It's just more good players. I mean, no one's going to be able to convince me that, that any of these guys are better than Tab Ramos. He's still the best player we've ever had. But when you have six or seven guys that can do it and the rest are not up to speed, you get knocked out of the tournament. That's why this is a different group. I think we're about 18, 19 players deep. So that's, that's a different deal.

Yeah, but we're used to winning. Like we win championships. It's, you know, we got this jingoism and patriotism and all of that. But when it comes to the US Soccer, we, our expectations have to be tempered. How much should they be tempered this year?

Well, I mean, there's a couple of things that are kind of coming together at the same time, which is great. Obviously playing at home, I know what that will do to you. It'll bring your adrenaline level up. It'll, it'll make you a better player if you're ready for it. I mean, that's the thing. It's beverage. Well, playing at home is such a great advantage. Well, not if you're not ready for it. If, if it scares you or it makes you nervous or if you're putting your hand on your heart and, and looking at that flag saying, don't screw up, don't screw up, yeah, that's a different deal. Our guys Aren't like that. I think, you know, when you look at the, you know, how far we've come and you look at the guys at where they play and the experiences that they've gathered over the years and even the last World cup, they're ready for this moment. They're playing in big clubs. Nothing is going to scare them. And I, I look at the whole tournament and I look at every single, you know, opposition that we could potentially have. There's nobody we're afraid of anymore. There's nobody that we go on the field and say, well, let's give it a good go. We're probably going to lose. I don't think these guys think that way. And that's the difference.

Is there a team the United States can't beat, in your opinion?

Well, I heard this from Tim Howard the other day and I had to take a shot at him. He said, you know, winning the World cup is impossible. Nothing is impossible, Tim. And when you look at the, you know, the teams that, as some of the guys you mentioned earlier in the program, the Mbappe's of the world. Right, Messi, if he even lasts that long. Let's see how that goes. Erling Holland is a handful, but his team might let him down early. Holland's kind of in a spot of, you know, he's great, but, you know, is his team going to hold up and we're going to see him in the latter stages. I think France and Spain scare everybody. But if, if you're looking at that as a challenge, as a, you know, hey, I really want to play those guys, that's a different thing. Brazil is, is kind of up and down. That's always the way they are. But it's those three, really, that I think. Germany, we've already just played them and we know we didn't have a great game and we lost in the end, but talent, level, team, you know, chemistry, culture, all those things weigh in. Dan, I. Our team is ready for this. I'm. I said six weeks. I think I said it six months ago. I thought we had a chance to get to the semifinals. People call me crazy. I'm going to still hold true to that. I think this team can go very far in this competition.

Maybe a testament to what you're talking about, the depth of this team. He had the luxury to let Christian Pulisic rest and recover where I don't know if he would have maybe been forced into action. If you don't have this depth, that's

a great point man. I'll Tell you you have to have a little good fortune or the good luck, if you will, in this competition if you're going to go far. Right. The good fortune that we just had was that we didn't need to play Christian Pulisic against Australia because of the way they play. We needed two forwards on the field and if we play with two forwards, he's not one of them. We got to play with a true 10 and we didn't, we didn't need him on the field and, and thus we got to rest him so he's, we didn't have to, you know, potentially get him even more hurt than he already is. So that's the kind of luck you need when you want to go far in this competition. What a luxury that is, right? To have our best player sitting out and we're still winning games with the opportunity to progress. So I mean, it's a different thing, man. It's, we joke about all the time, right? You always said to me, he goes, well, I guess I'll talk to you in four years. We'll have breakfast the next World Cup.

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[Dan Patrick]

Here we are. But it's, it is a different World Cup. This is so different than anything we've experienced because our team is, is good because of the, the realities of 48 teams. It means the permutations are going to be different. We, we might have a different entry point played against Bosnia Herzegovina. No one thinks we're going to lose to them and we're probably going to progress further than we've ever gone in a competition. I just hope that the, our support and the, the fans can get behind us.

Eric Winoldo US National Soccer hall of Famer no longer the all time leading scorer in American history. Does tonight matter and if so, how does it matter?

I think it's momentum. That's the other thing you got to have in this competition, I think was a great advantage to be up 2 nil against Australia, rest in Christian Pulisic and then have, have a scenario where our coach could let some guys touch grass. That's what I say. Because what you don't want is to get further into the competition, right? And you've only played a certain set of guys and now you're like, oh, here it is. This is your chance and it's around a 16 and this is the first time you get to play. You don't have a feel for the, for the competition. So I see some, we'll see some guys that need to play, need to get the vibe of The World cup need to get those nerves out of the way. I thought Austin Trustee and Joe Scully were a pretty good indicator that these are guys we'll probably see today. But of course it matters. All these games matter. We're done with the realities of, hey, let's just back into the. The next round of the competition. That's Turkey. That they're not better than us. Let's go beat them and. And get more people excited about this deal.

How would you describe Messi's playing style if somebody hasn't seen him sleep and sprint?

Just. I'm going to stand around and wait for. To get the ball. Be just a lightning rod. It's. It's so bizarre in the modern game to still see somebody with those kind of luxuries. But, man, it's beautiful. It's. I mean, if somebody said, how do you defend this guy? My. My description was, have you ever tried to kill an ant with the point of a pencil? All I know is the more you try, the faster he gets, and then you end up with a broken pencil.

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[Dan Patrick]

That's what it's like. It's impossible.

Yeah, I, And I love watching, like, the overhead where you can kind of see where he is to where the ball is, and somehow he's going to figure this. I mean, Gretzky did this. And Mess and Messi is so good at. And they're very similar because you look at them and you go, how is that guy the best player on the field or best player on the ice? But it's all about angles. I talk about angles in all the sports, certainly basketball, certainly hockey, and certainly soccer. He just seems to know that's going to be there, that's going to be there. I'm going to be right here. And then, boom. He's so quick. Reaction time is. Is. It's like a guy who's a really good second jumper in basketball. Like, he'll get back up really quick. He just strikes me as. He's so dart like, so.

I'm glad you brought up Gretzky. I was lucky. I. I'm from Westlake Village, California. Wayne used to live out there. I had. I got to watch Champions League games with him at a place called Galetto's, which is no longer there. He's hilarious, man. At one point he said, well, why don't they just take out the goalkeeper and go for it? I go, no, it doesn't, Wayne. That doesn't work.

You can't pull the goalie.

Yeah, but to your point, though, Messi scans. That's what we call it. He's constantly surveying what's around him, and he somehow knows what the picture behind him looks like before he even gets the ball. Gretzky didn't really have that option. He was playing in a phone booth. But. And so he had the, he had the, the glass against him.

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He could, He. He was looking at where their feet were so that he could get in his office behind the goal and just hit it off their skates. And, and that's how they were. Were just fine. Yari Curry's stick or Luke Robitaille. And all he had to do is put the stick out and he'll. He'll find it. Gretzky's, I think, even in a better category. But, But Messi's ability to understand the game and the, and the moving pictures and know what the next frame is going to look like is why he's a genius. And once he gets the ball and he, he wrong foots you and, you know he's going to his left, but you still buy into it. And you're. As soon as the. Your left foot hits the ground, you realize, oh, God, he's going to go right past me. And he just does it with such ease. It's. It's a beautiful thing to watch if you're a soccer purist.

Give me the player that we'll be talking about in 20 years.

Oh, wow, man, it's going to be this kid, Lamina Mall. I mean, it's special. This kid is. Is really good, and we know the story. You know, we had Messi holding the baby, kissing him, and basically passing that energy on to him. And he's, He's. He's a, he's in a different era, obviously. He's got a lot of stuff going on in his life that could, could throw him off or derail him, and I hope that doesn't happen, but I'm pure talent. He's. He's incredible, this kid. Michael Oli, say, will probably be one of those great players that we talk about maybe 20 years from now. But very, very seldom do you see somebody who has the ability to transcend the sport. This Lamina Mall kid might be it.

How's Fox's coverage, in your opinion?

It's pretty. It looked good on paper. Let's. And then, then they actually turned the cameras on and it got a little. Little silly. I mean, I, I love Latan, man. I love that guy. I. But I think this is, there's only a couple people I'm already tired of. He's one of them. And Beckham, man, come on. How many commercials can you make, bank of America building like Beckham? I mean, it's just, it's getting a little.

Beckham has been to a Home Depot, Eric.

No, I, I do not. And I don't think he has a beehive in his backyard either. But I, I do think that, uh, we, we need to get to a point where it's, you know, Alexis is trying to hang in there, and it's tough. I mean, stop starting to fight with that guy, that he's going to win and in real life and in his own mind. I, I'll tell you this, before he let me go, Where's Laton? Once asked me, he said, my friend says you're a good player. I said, yes. And he says, but you're not great. And I said, but it's tough to be great all the times, Latad. So I, I want to thank you for your greatness, for making you, because you've created a lot of goodness. So players like me needed to play against greatness and have great moments. So thank you. And he really liked that answer. That was, that was, that's how you get along with that guy.

Oh, yeah. You got to compliment him first. And let Zlatan speak in third person, too.

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[Dan Patrick]

It's really quite fantastic. I, I, Look, I, I think it's tough. I think they tried to put that, that group together to give you every angle. A Dutch guy, a Mexican guy, a Spanish guy, a Swedish guy, the French guy. I mean, every, we've got every angle, but the coverage has been, let's just say, a little bit all over the place. But I'm watching the games. I, I and then, to be honest with you, sometimes I even watch those in Spanish, so I'm working on that, too.

I, I didn't take a hydration break during this interview, Eric, but I will now.

Oh, yeah. You know, I don't know how you feel about that. I, man, I would have loved one, to be honest with you. The Pasadena, when it was 120 degrees on the field. That would have been nice. Yeah, I do think it's a money grab. I do think they're utilizing it for commercials. I don't think there's a lot of coaching happening in those moments, but FIFA's, FIFA's getting a lot of things wrong and a lot of things right. But this has been a spectacular World cup thus far, so I'M gonna. I'm trying not to complain. Complain about stuff like that.

I'll talk to you in four years.

You got it.

It was great to See Eric Winolda U.S. national Soccer hall of Famer and Wynalda Talks Football and SiriusXM FC played for three World cup teams.

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Spend a lot of time certainly in the first hour of the show with the 30 year anniversary of the WNBA and some of the players who were left out, some who were put in. But if you're leaving out Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird, Tamika Catchings, Candace Parker and oh by the way, Caitlin Clark, something's wrong with that picture. And then you look at the game last night and all of a sudden there was one no call and then there was A call that Caitlin Clark ended up hurting her back and left the game. Stacy Dales, NFL Network senior national reporter, former WNBA all star. She's been fired up on social media today. Thank you for joining us. What's bothering you the most? Stacy?

[Stacy Dales]

Hey, Dan, it's good to see you. Listen, I'm a sports fan. Yesterday I watched, I listened to the Cubs beat the Mets in back to back games. I watched the Canadian team lose to Switzerland in the World cup because I'm originally from Canada and I always watch the fever and I watch them consistently. I watch the WNBA consistently. I think it's, it's a good product and what I saw last night with these two teams tangling in back to back games because it got heated three days ago when I watched it was absolutely unacceptable, egregious. Stephanie White used the word and just unfortunate that you know a situation, two situations could go on tethered if you will. And the result was the result.

[Dan Patrick]

How did we get here?

[Stacy Dales]

It's, I don't, I don't know how to answer this. All I can tell you is there's a lot of good players in wnba. For instance, if you're not watching Olivia Miles, Minnesota right now, you're missing something special. She's extraordinary and Caitlin Clark is extraordinary. I, I, I, I haven't, I played against Sue Bird, Dinah Taurasi, Lisa Leslie, Cheryl Swoops. Like Caitlyn does things. She's really hard to guard, Dan, and she's really hard to officiate. For instance, the closeout, the illegal closeout where the player didn't have the landing space appropriate that that was should have been upgraded to a flagrant one. It was unnecessary contact. But she did step into the landing space. When a player shoots it from the logo with a gather step like Caitlyn does, there's not a lot of players that do that. Now Kelsey Mitchell, her teammate, does it extraordinarily well. There's a few players that do it well. She's mastered it so it's hard to defend her, which is the result. You get these flagrant one type calls which wasn't called so and that was after the Alyssa Thomas, who is an incredibly skilled player. She's really a good player, Dan, but she gets away with stuff. She gets away with stuff. And we have to be real careful when we watch sports now because slow motion, you know, X, Twitter, social media, it makes it look distorted. But I watched it real time and I watched it and reposted it and any time the whole element of these new Flagrant one calls. Like if you're going up for a layup and somebody accidentally cracks you in the face, it's a flagrant foul and technical two shots because it's player safety. And Stephanie White said it. I don't need to say it. It was dangerous to put your, your, your fist on somebody's neck. Whether it was forceful, Dan, or it was a tap, it's on the neck and then a knee to the groin. So you got the, the neck, the throat shot, the groin shot, and the ball was going the other direction. That ain't a loose ball foul. Or actually it is a loose ball foul, but that ain't a loose ball like thing. You avoid. You know what I'm saying? You avoid. So that should be a loose ball foul. It should have been upgraded to a flagrant two, in my opinion. And Alyssa Thomas had a similar, different situation, but with Angel Reese two years ago where she did get the flagrant two.

[Dan Patrick]

But the NBA can officiate Steph Curry. Why can't the WNBA officiate Caitlin Clark?

[Stacy Dales]

I don't know how to answer that. Like, three nights ago when these two teams played Dan, I tweeted the same thing. She, she, I think, I think there is a real element of like, when she does this all the time, like, that annoys officials having played for a very long time. Like, they don't want to be stood up, they don't want to be called out consistently. And it's, I kind of liken it to, you know, when you were a kid and your sibling and you got in fights all the time and your mom just, she stopped calling fouls and the one kid kept crying like that was me and my brother. And, you know, there's only so much as a parent you can parent, and I think there's only so much you can call and, and listen, I, Kate, there's a lot of good players in the wnba. I'm tuning in to see Asia Wilson anytime she's on. She's extraordinary. Not unlike the way I watch the NBA when I, when I'm a player, I love. I, you know, I tune in to see it. I'm a sports fan. The league. Kathy Engelbert has an opportunity today to set a precedent. I mean, the NFL set a precedent by not holding a supplemental draft for Brendan Sorsby. We're not, this is not, you're not going to walk in after some of the gambling issues you've had historically and play in the league right away. Kathy Engelbert has an opportunity today to rectify this and make a statement and we'll see if she does.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but what would that statement be?

[Stacy Dales]

Well, it would be, it would be actually addressing the throat shot. Yeah, I mean, that, it would be that whether that's some sort of a suspension is levied, I'm not sure, I'm not sure what that looks like from the ramification standpoint, but the penalty standpoint. But what do you think, Dan? I mean, was it, you saw it?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the shooting thing where anybody who's a shooter and if you see somebody kind of underneath you, you're automatically thinking of landing, you're not thinking of your shot, and it's wrong to do that. You can really mess somebody up. But that's normally called. When I saw the, the closed fist, like, you know, on her throat, and I go, wait, the referee is right there. So I just don't know the logic. And I, I, I agree with you. Like, Luca is a complainer all the time, hands up all the time. The officials are, aren't, you know, they're human. They're like, will you stop trying to embarrass me? I don't know if it's a cycle here, but there's just too much of it that's happened where you go, I don't know if anybody else is treated this way in the wnba. I don't think Diana Taurasi was treated this way, or Sue Bird treated this way, or, you know, other great players. Unless you tell me differently now. I do think the game is far more physical that people didn't People watch the WNBA and they're like, man, they're knocking people around. I'm like, watch the wnba. It is physical. I just, and I think they allow more play on than the NBA does. And I don't know if that's by design.

[Stacy Dales]

Yeah. And I go back to these two teams, like back to back series, Right. Like, you knew how chippy it got the previous game when you had Sophie Cunningham pointing at Dewana Bonner and you know, you knew you had to brace this thing, you know. But I do watch the league and I do watch. I played with Shamique Holtzclaw. She got a call, man, she got a call, like. And I know how she worked the referees and, you know, I was very quiet with officials. I, I just talked to them in their ear. Like you and I are talking right now. Caitlin is such a competitor. I think if you go back and talk to Lisa Bluder and you talk to her college coach and you talk to Stephanie White, anybody who's played with her. You know, it's like Aaron Rodgers. A lot of people don't like Aaron. It's one of the best quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life. I mean he's a brilliant, she's a brilliant player. She's a better passer than she is scorer. She does things with the ball that are absolutely extraordinary that you can't coach, but she is routinely practice them and, and rehearse them over and over and over to where she makes them look routine. And there's, like I said, there's a lot of great players in the wnba. Alyssa Thomas is one of those players. But she's, she's sneaky about. Mary and I were just talking about this. She's sneaky about some of the things and now maybe that's a good question to ask her. You know, she's been in the league for a long time. She's a multi year all star. But like Clark takes an absolute beating. She does. And like I said, you can't call everything. So what are you going to decide to call? But like stuff like that. I want to watch her play. I love watching her play. Not unlike I love watching Asia Wilson play and Olivia Miles play. And I loved watching Sue Bird play which goes to the whole WNBA poster. Like Sue Bird is magical. She was a magical player. So was Taurasi. So is Tamika Catchings.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, help me understand this, Stace. That. Okay, I understand you want to have old school, new school and Angel Reese and Paige Beckers, but Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, Tamika Catchings, Candace Parker and oh by the way, Caitlin Clark. Like there has to be something that happened here. Like I. Unless it's this has to do with Panini trading cards and you can't be on something the rights of some. Like there has to be a reason for this. Right.

[Stacy Dales]

We're researching that. Right, we're looking into that. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Well, I've reached out to the commissioner's office. They said she's traveling but we've, we've reached out to everybody and nobody's available.

[Stacy Dales]

Yeah. So when I first saw the poster, Dan, it was, it was out of controversy. I was on X and I saw Christine Brennan post it who's an incredible journalist. And I just, I laughed because like if you're not going to include sue and Diana and Maya Moore and Tamika Catchings and Cynthia Cooper and Candace Parker as you just alluded to those names aforementioned Caitlin Clark too. Like and then my initial thought was like, and this is so out of respect to younger generations, millennials, the Gen Z. Like did a Gen Z person create that because like. Or was it like, was it an AI creation? I'm not sure. But if you're going to be that exclusive, I don't even know if it's. There's a lot of people on that. I just like just was looking at it before we started today. There's a lot of faces on there. Sophie Cunningham is incredibly marketable. I love watching her play. She's on it. Not even Kelsey Mitchell, like Kelsey Mitchell and her teammate Caitlin Clark are both averaging almost 22 points per game. They score more points, Indiana does, than any team in the wnba. Like I don't know. They also have led all star voting. So I'm not sure. I don't know who created it. I don't know why certain players were excluded because it didn't seem inclusive to me, to some of the faces that I played against and certainly that I am now a fan of watching and studying just as a basketball nerd and sports fan.

[Dan Patrick]

Stay fired up. Good to talk to you again. Thank you.

[Stacy Dales]

Low key Dan. I was very low key. You have that aura. Like we just kind of shooting this stuff and let's get a coffee or something.

[Dan Patrick]

So thank you Stacey.

[Stacy Dales]

See ya. Thanks.

[Dan Patrick]

Stacy Dales, NFL Network senior national reporter and a WNBA all Star with the Washington Mystics.

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