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Dan Patrick
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Mike Tirico
Guaranteed Human. My first guest is Karis Hilton.
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Dan Patrick
Shakira, Luke and Yerim have surprises, many surprises. Welcome to the Sweet 305 podcast, where the group chat comes to life. What up? You're the only person I know that loves a yellow starburst. It's lemonade. This is suite 305. Here, oversharing is encouraged.
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Jason Garrett
Listen to Sweet 305 with Lele Pons
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Dan Patrick
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, wherever
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Mike Tirico
you get your podcasts. Paul Verze here, and I want to talk to you about Paul's best podcast,
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Stu Holden
Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio. I sit down each week with a special guest and we discuss the absolute best of things. Pete Davidson.
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Dan Patrick
It's that and then there's everything else.
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Stu Holden
Dude, his whole life has sounded like the first drop of a roller coaster.
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Jason Garrett
I mean, I can't even tell you, Paul, how crazy it was. It was insane.
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Stu Holden
Listen to Paul's best podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your PODC podcasts.
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Mike Tirico
I'm Mangesha Teegular and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive.
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Stu Holden
This time I talk to scientists, biopunks, curmudgeons, blue zoners, super seniors, and Goa's
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Jason Garrett
top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us.
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Dan Patrick
And I get into a bit of
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Jason Garrett
trouble along the way.
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Stu Holden
I'd say probably start bone smashing.
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Mike Tirico
That doesn't work.
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Dan Patrick
To make it look more defined. They say it works.
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Mike Tirico
I don't know.
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Stu Holden
Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
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Jason Garrett
or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stu Holden
150 years ago, they were hunting us down to kill us.
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Dan Patrick
And now they're hunting down immigrants to deport them.
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Mike Tirico
This is First America, the true story
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Dan Patrick
of how the United States came to
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Mike Tirico
be and how we got to this present moment.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to First America on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick
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Jason Garrett
show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Mike Tirico
Stu Holden called both semifinal matches. You can catch him calling the FIFA World cup final and done a great job. Fox Sports lead match analyst and former member of a United States World cup team. How would you feel if you're a fan of England today stuff?
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Stu Holden
Oh, man. Well, first of all, hungover, that's for sure. You know, they drink if they win, they drink if they lose. I think it's the hope that kills you, Dan. And this English team have been so close now in all their last major tournaments. Semifinal of a World cup in 2018, they get to the final of two straight Euros and then they lose. And then they get again to a semifinal and they were five minutes away, and then they ran into Lionel Messi. And I think that's what will hurt the most for this English. The English fans, especially this morning, is feeling that they were so close to finally getting back to another World cup final. It's been 60 years and then they are where they are. And I've loved watching some of the talk radio in England this morning as I woke up. And as you can imagine, all hell is broken loose. It's the coach's fault, the players, it's this, it's the mentality. All of these things can be true. But, yeah, they were five minutes away and they were outdone by the greatest player in the world, Lionel Messi.
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Mike Tirico
Give me this strategy. It's easy to look back, but in the moment you were talking about the shell that London was playing or England was playing, that they were playing not to lose, it felt like. And you even talked about Messi was kind of creeping up a little bit more, far more aggressive. He even looked up at the clock one time, I think around the 80th minute or so to say. Oh, and then all of a sudden things changed. So help me understand the strategy of what England was using.
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Stu Holden
Yeah. So I think the biggest and most important thing to realize is when. When you. When you play not to lose, you invite pressure, but it's more so you set a mentality within your team. And I'm not going to sit up there. I haven't played a bad Pass in 12 years since I've been in that booth. When you're on that field, it's hard. And Argentina and the fans and the. And the players, they create this environment that creates real pressure. But when the coach, Thomas Tuchel, makes a sub and you take off an attacking player right after you score and you bring on a defender and you play with five across the back and you sit with four in front of that and you have Harry Kane up there, who is so tired, can't press, you have no outlet, and you're just sitting there and you basically just said to your team, look, we've got 15, 20 minutes. It wasn't five minutes at that time. They had 25 minutes. And they said, we're just going to try to hold onto this goal. We've got the goal and you saw what happened. It was like a snake slowly constricting its prey. And just one, bit by bit, you felt that pressure building. They hit the post. They hit the post again. Now all of a sudden, if you're, if you're one of those English players, you're retreating close to your goal, you're kicking the ball away, you're nervous when you get it, and you felt that energy. And I think really what happened is they shook hands with teams of the past and they saw ghosts of the past as they're in that situation thinking, oh, no, we're going to be the same team that's done this again. We're not going to do it. And then they didn't. And then you made a great point. Messi has an incredible ability to find space when there is no space. And it's amazing to watch him in those situations where he is like a quarterback that's setting up and looking at different defenses and thinking, okay, where can I be dangerous now? And he was just hanging out on the right, moving around, just slowly walking. And then when the ball comes to him, he makes the game happen. And I saw an English pundit say, why didn't they just. Man, Mark Messi, right? Stick one guy, you stay with Messi. You don't think teams have been doing that for 25 years? It's, it's not as easy as that. You know, he moves, he finds space. He, he, he pushes you into a position that he wants you to, then go in the other spot. He's, he's unbelievable.
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Mike Tirico
But you're right about him walking. He walks a lot. He lurks, he lingers, he looks harmless. And then, boom. It's so quick. And he didn't score goals, but, you know, he, they had two guys on him for most of the match, and they, like, they went after him like he gets roughed up, I think a lot more than you would think the goat would get roughed up. But that center of gravity that he has, you know, this kind of, I don't know, waddles or something.
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Stu Holden
Yeah.
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Mike Tirico
But, I mean, it's fascinating that maybe he doesn't know where somebody's going to be, but he thinks he knows where somebody's going to be when he's, you
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Stu Holden
know, he's, he sees, he sees the game in a faster speed than everybody else. And I think they always say, and I felt this when I went from MLS to the premier is once you finally kind of figure out the quality, the tempo, the speed, the game starts to slow down for you. I think Messi sees everything on point two speed compared to what everybody else is seeing, everything blurring around them. And I love this note is that he was talking to a young player at some point in his career, maybe it was Barcelona. And he said to the player, he said, you run too much and you feel like you have to be everywhere. He said, sometimes walking is the best thing you can do because it makes every around you uncomfortable and everything starts moving. But then you are the one that is in control of your space and you're playing the game at your speed. Now, not every player can do that. This is Lionel Messi. And I did have friends that went to watch him play recently in mls and they said, man, I just watched the guy walk around for 75 minutes and then for 15 minutes he scored two goals and had three assists. And I said, yeah, I mean, what do you want him to do? Do you want him to run more? He's still doing the same effect by running less the later he's gone in his career. It's, it's, it's, it's beautiful to watch, honestly.
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Mike Tirico
Should we have the bronze final, Stu? I mean, you imagine if you're playing on a, if you're Harry Kane and they go, hey, by the way, we got a consolation, a friendly Mbappe. Hey you, how about Saturday? You guys want to get geared up for a third place finish?
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Stu Holden
Hey, nonetheless, they're sending them back down to Miami where it's 100 degrees. You've got the French and the English going back to Miami. No, I think, look, I know historically when you look back, it is better to say you finished third than finishing fourth in a, in a tournament Olympics, A bronze medal is, and then no medal is, is the fourth place. But I think when it comes to soccer, I, I would rather a settle third and fourth place based on your performance in the group stage and goals scored and, or just get them together and do a penalty shootout or something. I, I, I think it's, I think it's, it's, but at the same time, here we go. You know, this is France and England. These are two teams that are looking, licking their wounds pretty badly after some bad semifinal performances and really have a way to change the way that teams were thought about at the end of this on Saturday.
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Mike Tirico
We're talking to Stu Holden, Fox Sports lead analyst and on the call. That'll be Sunday afternoon on Fox. Their coverage starts at 11am Eastern and the match starts at 3 Eastern. Argentina in Spain. This one feels like first team to score is going to win.
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Stu Holden
Yeah, If Spain scored first, I think they win the game. This is a team that, if you've seen, you saw them play against France, if you score, they don't sit back like England. They keep playing the way that they play, which is to keep the ball and make you run even more. That's the greatest compliment you can give the Spanish team is that they never felt in danger at all during that game. When we talk about style of play and tactics, Spain don't have that. What they have is a cultural identity. They've played this in same formation from 5 years old up until 65 years old. You play that with your friends. Everybody knows every position. There's a connection. There's triangles across the field, all over, and I love just watching them play. It's harmonious players moving forward, the other guy drops underneath. It's a connective type of tissue approach. Versus on the other side, you have an Argentine team that plays with emotion, intensity, quality, obviously with guys like Lionel Messi, Martinez and Julian Alvarez. But I think Spain will get their toughest test they've had all tournament long, because what France tried to do was said, hey, you know what, we're going to high press against this Spanish team. And then they couldn't. Argentina can do that and I think they will. They will. Man to man across the field, say, look, we're going to stay with each guy. We're going to try to make life difficult for Spain and not give them the time to have possession. That's easier said than done, by the way, in 85, 90 degree heat in New York, where it's going to be really hot, humid, and the team with the ball, I think is going to have the most success. So I think Spain's going to end up winning this game.
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Mike Tirico
USA Soccer, much has been said, certainly on this program. Kevin Frazier came on and blasted Alexi Lawless. And what we're doing with kids, I'll give you the opportunity. I don't know where you, you kind of weigh in on this, but how do we become formidable? Because I don't agree with Kristen Pulisic that, you know, this is a start. This has been Groundhog Day every four years that we keep saying this is a start, but we don't get any further than where we are. So this system needs to be altered. Correct?
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Stu Holden
Yeah. The phrase that cuts me the most that I hear touted around is soccer has been the sport of the future in this country for the last 40 years. That hurts, you know, it hurts us soccer people, because we see the growth off the field as much as we don't always see it on the field. And I think again, it's a reminder of seeing England going as far as they just did, but then losing in a semi final. They haven't won a World cup in 60 years. And I'm not saying that has to be the baseline for us, Dan. And growth, we're always going to judge at the very highest level and can we beat the world elite. But make no mistake about it, and you asked me my thoughts on the growth. I have a 10 year old daughter and a 6 year old son. I coach my daughter's 10 year old team and I'm assistant coach. And so now I'm seeing this for the first time in a different way as a coach. And we have a lot of issues in our youth development system. Pay to play. I think we can all agree that it is too expensive to play the game in this sport. But I always say to people, how do we fix that? How do we make the game more affordable? How do we make it more accessible? Not enough kids get an opportunity to play the sport. In our, in this country. We don't touch all of the different communities. We don't have pathways to elevate the best players at the earliest ages in a, in a, in a fast way. But look, I see this in L. A, there's not enough places to play. The coaches, we have really good coaches, but they need to be paid to make a living. So somebody has to pay for that. These kids in these clubs, my daughter's club for an example, is a nonprofit club. The club is not for profit, but yet the club dues are 3,4000 dollars a year. It's a lot of money when you think about, I'm part of an ownership group of a professional soccer club in Spain, Kids dues are 4 or €500 for an entire season. It's, there's just more opportunities, more coaches, more fields. It's a way of life. It is a cultural way of life. And we just, we have so much competition and we've made this youth soccer. And I'm not just talking about soccer, youth sports in general. We could do an entire podcast on this. So I'm gonna try to be more concise in the way I explain this. But they have become commoditized in a way that it's predatory and it's on the parents. Every single sport is basketball, football, baseball. Parents are getting charged so much money for these kids to have these opportunities. It's no, you're just creating environments to people to pay more money without having real tangible benefits. So if at a very high level, if I try to summarize this, I think what we can do in the United States is have the elite academies, the top clubs, which we're doing at mls, we have, we have pathways for players, but they have to, in many ways pay for the development at the lower levels. If you develop a player, if you're a club in Kansas, Los Angeles, Texas, and you develop a kick, Christian Pulisic, you should be paid for that. You should be given money to support your club, supporting players and developing players. So I can go on and on and on about this. We need to do more. We need to make soccer cheaper. We're on the way. We have growth. Don't, don't get, don't get twisted in our, just our national team performances.
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Mike Tirico
A lot of fun listening to you guys. You and John. Good luck. Are you nervous? Like, how nervous are you compared to when you played?
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Stu Holden
Nothing will replace what it was like to step on the field and play the game. But my first World cup final in 2018, I had the nerves a little bit. Now it's just pure excitement. I think this has become my job. It's become my life. I love doing it much like you do. I can hear that in all of your stuff. You've been in media for a long time. I've known and listened to you for a long time, and I hope to stay in this business for a long time. But these are moments we have to enjoy. How many times you get to call a World cup final on home soil? This is, this is going to be special on Sunday.
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Mike Tirico
Well, I felt bad for Rebecca Lowe that you're hosting the World Cup. You know, you're there and all of a sudden your country loses in dramatic fashion and you're being consoled by Zlatan and, you know, Terry Henry, Dan.
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Stu Holden
I looked down at Rebecca once England scored. She was down to my left on a platform and she was just standing there like this and she couldn't believe that it was happening. And then I looked down when Argentina scored and it was head down, hands. And it's what I said to her last night as we were flying here to New York. I said, it's the hope that kills you. It is the hope that kills you. And this is why we love this game and we hate this game at the same time.
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Mike Tirico
Thank you for making time, Stu.
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Stu Holden
Dan, I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you.
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Mike Tirico
Stu Holden, Fox Sports lead match analyst and he'll be there on Sunday on FOX with John Strong. And he was a member of the World cup team back in 2010.
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Stu Holden
All right.
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Mike Tirico
We'll take a break. We got phone calls coming up. We'll check in with Mike TRICO in about 20 minutes from now. He'll join us from the open championship lot to celebrate this summer. And you can do so in style with Miller Light. If you're going to celebrate the birth of our nation, that's 250 years. Well, Miller Light's been around 50 of those 250. What did we do the other 200 years without it? If our soccer team is scoring a big goal or just a warm evening on the deck, it's Miller time in America. That's why I reach for a Miller Lite. And you should, too. Miller Lite is perfect to kick off the summer or a sporting event. 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. It's a great choice without weighing you down. Simple ingredients, malted barley for that rich, balanced toffee note flavors and, you know, that iconic golden color. An all American summer starts with an all American beer, Miller lite. Go to millerlight.com Patrick and find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.
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Stu Holden
Hey, everybody.
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Dan Patrick
I'm Tereka Fosta Brasby. What's up, y'? All?
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Mike Tirico
I'm your girl, Sheryl Swoooops.
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Dan Patrick
When you tune in to a new, new episode of our podcast, Levels to this, you're definitely gonna get some spy CWNBA analysis.
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Mike Tirico
Yup. But then the conversation goes on and levels up beyond basketball, because on Levels
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Dan Patrick
to this, the game is always the starting point. But we're more than just hoops.
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Mike Tirico
And the real conversation is what we actually bring.
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Dan Patrick
This is Levels to this, the podcast
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Mike Tirico
about all the levels of stuff that women go through.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to Levels to this with Sheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster brasby on the
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Stu Holden
iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, guys, Paul Verze here and I want to talk to you about Paul's best podcast, Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio. I sit down each week with a special guest and we discuss the absolute best of things. Pete Davidson.
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Dan Patrick
It's that and then there's everything else.
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Stu Holden
He would just shout one line and
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Mike Tirico
it would murder Marie, lunch over.
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Dan Patrick
Let's talk about the best moments that
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Stu Holden
we had on the road.
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Mike Tirico
I would love a cocktail.
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Stu Holden
Dude, Joe could get last row, middle seat on a Southwest Airlines flight. Joe, how was your flight? It was great. The guy in Penn State, we were on the field and the player thought Joe was his former coach and he hugged him, and he hugged him and
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Dan Patrick
Joe just went with it. The guy goes, what are you doing here, coach?
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Stu Holden
And Joe just goes.
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Jason Garrett
And you walk in and it is bananas. I mean, it's a feast for the eyes. And I was like, it's like it's not my thing either, but we're here.
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Stu Holden
When Rome, top athletes, chefs, musicians, everybody. Listen to Paul's best podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason Garrett
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Mike Tirico
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Jason Garrett
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Dan Patrick
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Jason Garrett
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Mike Tirico
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Dan Patrick
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Jason Garrett
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Dan Patrick
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Jason Garrett
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Mike Tirico
night Dodgers, Yankees heats up in the Bronx. Sunday night baseball live on NBC. And Peacock. Poll question Dylan for the final hour. And let's recap the first two hours. Well, Dan, better deli, Jewish or Italian? Italian.
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Jason Garrett
Kind of idling at around 74%.
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Mike Tirico
And then poll question for this hour. Kind of a two part one. Who are you rooting for in the World cup final and who do you think is going to win? Are they the same? I think Spain's going to win, but I'm rooting for Argentina because of Messi. You know, when we talk about the goat, do you want those players to finish something? You know, Brady, you can say, hey, the goat. Yeah, bottom line, you're winning championships. Jordan winning championships. That's what you want. And you know, when you have other players who are on a really high pedestal, it can be Brady, it can be Michael in Tiger. Like they all have admiration for Messi. Like, that's pretty cool, you know, and you're watching something that's happening right now, you know, Mike's, been retired for a long time. You know, Tom's not coming back, Tiger's not coming back. But you're watching Messi. He's the latest to get to this point where you go, I'd like to see him finish this off in his final World cup match. Mike Tirico, he does everything and he's at the Open Championship in Royal Burkdale. Have you played Royal Burkdale, Mike?
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Dan Patrick
I have not played Berkdale. I've played five, six of the courses on the Rota, but not Burkedale.
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Mike Tirico
Are you allowed to play?
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Dan Patrick
Am I allowed to play? I'm sure if, if I really asked, I could get out to play on Monday.
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Mike Tirico
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
They usually have hospitality or TV folk or other. Others. But I want to get back home. But yeah, I'd like to play here at some point. At some point I'd like to take that quintessential Scottish and English and Irish golf trip. I've done so many Opens and I've never really done that trip where you go three, four days and play and do those. So I'd like to at some point.
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Mike Tirico
This is the 28th Open Championship that you've worked.
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Dan Patrick
That is correct. I am old.
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Jason Garrett
Wow.
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Dan Patrick
I'm old. I'm old. Yeah.
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Mike Tirico
Do you remember, you may not remember this. I was ready to do SportsCenter late at night. It was like 10:45 and I'm walking over to do SportsCenter and ESPN hadn't announced who was going to do golf. And I had been mentioned to do golf and you. So I didn't know anything about it. And I remember I'm walking over to do SportsCenter and one of the bosses says to me, hey, hey, come here, come here, come here. Because USA Today was going to break the news that you were going to do golf. So I'm getting ready to do an hour long live Sports center. And management goes, come here, come here, come here. I go, what? What? They go, you're not going to get the golf. They're going to give it to Mike Tirico. I said, couldn't this wait? I'm going to go do a sports center. So I'm doing the entire sports center thinking about, well, I, I didn't want the golf, but I would have loved to have the golf. And I'm like, well, now I'm mad that I'm not getting it. Where before I was like, hey, that'll be great, Mike. Mike will do a great job. And I don't know if you ever heard that story.
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Dan Patrick
I think I have. I think you've told it to me at one point, but I'm glad that you've let it go. So that's at least I could be
- [23:55]
Mike Tirico
there and you could be interviewing me there.
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Dan Patrick
Mike, you could be Fritzy. Fritzi, Fritchie, Fritzi. Old question. Fritzi. You know what changed my career trajectory and changed my life and what I didn't know was what a risk it was because I didn't realize or know how demanding the golf viewers are. While smaller in numbers than the other sports.
- [24:23]
Jason Garrett
Right.
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Dan Patrick
Just look at the ratings. The golf viewer really has the mentality of being a member at a golf club where you speak up, you say what's on your mind? Hey, I want this. Can we. This in the grill room. Can we do this to the golf course? And the golf viewer is very particular and very loud and very vocal about what they want on their broadcast. And I didn't realize that it could have been career ending in terms of that role of doing play by play or having a lead job on other sports. So I'm glad it worked out. I was surrounded by Curtis Strange and Judy Rankin and Steve Melnick and the late Bob Rosberg and a bunch of great people. Jack Graham was our producer. Jim Jeannette was our director. They're all pros and they all covered my butt until I figured out what I was doing. I'm very thankful for that.
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Mike Tirico
Give me the ratio of calling a live shot to something that's on tape and then sounding like you're seeing it for the first time even though it's on tape.
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Dan Patrick
So it's interesting because I've worked now in all the systems that there are. So I covered masters at ESPN. That's CBS's production. ABC and ESPN did our own production. And now it's 10 years for me with NBC. And philosophically, it's a little different on NBC. You will not hear the on course reporter unless it's a live shop. And that's just the philosophy of Tommy Roy, who's a Hall of fame producer. CBS's philosophy is different. ABC's was somewhat in between. And what you have to remember is every other sport there's one ball and no more than 120 yards in golf. Like on a Thursday, Friday. I'm going to go sit. I'm not on the air today. I'm going to go sit in the control room for an hour today just to watch, just to get myself reacquainted with how difficult it is. There could be 30, 35 balls moving. You have half the field on the golf course at any time. So there are about 80 players out there. So you've had 80 players and 30 balls moving at once. You have to make choices. So you do one of two things. You either continue the movie along and don't let people in, or you say, this is live and people should be smart enough to understand you can't show every shot live. As you say, this is earlier. You got to make a decision. Rory drives the ball great. Do you want to watch Rory hit a drive on 7? Yeah, I do. Of course I do. Well, do you want to see Scotty Scheffler's putt for birdie? Yeah, I want to see that. But happening at the same time. What do you do? And there's four, five, six hours of those decisions that have to be made. And it's a. It's a venture that costs money because the rna, the usga, the PGA Tour, it's a rights fee, and it's a lot to take 100 people overseas to pay them. So you gotta have commercials. So you factor all that in. I think it's the hardest sport to do on tv. And I'm gonna go sit inside and watch the. Watch the sausage get made for an hour just to remind me how difficult it is to do that.
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Mike Tirico
Mike Trico joining us from Royal Burkdale. Has Scotty Scheffler come back to earth?
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Dan Patrick
Oh, he's played really, really well. He just hasn't won. And there are years like that for players. I'd say other guys are having good years, like Matthew Fitzpatrick's having a good year. Chris Goderup's having a good year. Rory, not in volume, but in quality. Every time he plays, he seems to be in the mix, as Scotty had a good day one today, which has been what has held him back a little bit this year in terms of wins. I think his year has been really good. It just hasn't been incredible. And when you're spoiled by best on the Tour, best on the tour, second best on the Tour, a notch down is eye opening. His stats are still really good. The one thing he hasn't done is hit the ball as close to the hole as he has the last three years. If you look at the stat, that is proximity to the hole, he was best on tour in that number in all of these three years where he's been terrific. Not the best this year, still really good, but not the best. And that's why, instead of winning four or five, he's won one with a Good round. First round today wouldn't put it past him to be in position to win here and take the clarity jug back home again.
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Mike Tirico
What if the majority of the tour venues were like Royal Burkdale and there would be. And then all of a sudden they played, you know like a pg A PGA north or you know, west or, you know, whatever. But because we look at this now, I love it for one week.
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Dan Patrick
Yes.
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Mike Tirico
I, I don't know if I could have a steady diet of playing it. I. But I do. I enjoy watching it.
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Dan Patrick
I love watching it. Unfortunately we're not going to get rain and wind and it's the only time you say that you want rain and wind because it just adds to. Actually came over without a big old rain suit for the first time. Truly in 28 years. The first time I haven't come over with like two rain suits for the week and a pair of shoes that I've left, I think four or five pairs of shoes in this country because you're just not bringing them back home. They're ruined. It. It would be fascinating. I wish we could see two things in golf. I wish we could see more lynch golf like this and I wish we could see more match play golf because I think match play is so much fun. I think a lot of people who play golf consistently at a club play match play against their friends and I'd love to see the best in the world. Match play doesn't really work for TV very well. They're going to try it again in the new iteration of the Tour. But I would love to see just a little more of this where you really have to think your way around the golf course. Now it's interesting to watch today's talent and today's approach play a century old course. This is just under a century. But Bryson Dechambeau is trying to take driver and hit it over stuff and wherever he ends up I'll hit a pitch and try to. And try to make a putt. It's a little bit harder to do on these courses because of the bunkering. But when he does it it's pretty cool to watch. So it's a great mental test this week of choices off the tee. How aggressive do I want to be and can I really get myself out of that trouble around the green?
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Mike Tirico
Yeah. I go back. Wasn't it Tiger at St. Andrews didn't put the ball in a bunker for four rounds?
- [30:27]
Dan Patrick
Which is.
- [30:28]
Mike Tirico
I'd say it's impossible. But he did it. But if I, if I didn't see It, I'd say it's impossible.
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Dan Patrick
And he also, I'm sorry, Dan. Another one of the Opens that he won and it was hot and fast and the fairways were brown, not green. Like this year. He only hit one driver the whole week. Right. So Tiger, Tiger always had that 15th club in his bag, his mind. That was a difference maker. And I think the guy who comes to this event with my game plan, I'm not going to be stuck to it. I will adjust depending on the conditions. Those are the guys who usually win here. It's not always he's the best strongest player. He's the guy who hits it the farthest. It's the mental game here because all the trouble you have to avoid.
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Mike Tirico
And I'm looking at the last eight winners of the Open Championship. By the way. When, when did we kick British. When did we kick British Open to the curb? Now people at.
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Dan Patrick
When people ask me, how long have you been doing this event? I said, well, I did it when it was the British Open. I've done it when it's the Open Championship. Now I'm doing it when it's the Open. And the gray line that somebody else had, I forget who it was. So I can't him credit if I'm here long enough. We'll just call it V and be done with that. Right. So it was British until like the early 2000s. Then it was the Open Championship and it's been the Open for the last eight or nine, I think.
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Mike Tirico
Okay. But I'm looking at the last eight winners. Scotty Sheffler, Xander, Brian Harmon, Cam Smith, Colin Mor, Shane Lowry, Francesco Maranare and Jordan. These aren't bombers.
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Dan Patrick
No, no, correct, exactly. Then that, that goes back to that point. Most of these golf courses have been around for a century, a century and a half. You can only lengthen them so much. And every time you lengthen them, you want to keep those bunkers in play. And those key bunkers are what matters. And the strategy of this event with the wind and the rain, those are the two things that end up making this event unique and special and kind of fun. I mean, they've been placed 154 times over 160 years. If you take the stretches out with the war and, and a lot of these golf courses have been around for a good part of that. That's why I think there's a different connection with the game and it's fun to be able. Look, we, we love, we love when quarterbacks go up and down the field and it's 42 to 40. Right. We also love when it's a great, truly great defensive battle. Different styles keep variety and enjoyment in the game. And this variety, probably more than any other, makes people say, man, I'd love to try to play like that once where you can hit a four iron, it can roll. You're gonna see balls roll 50 yards. I watch somebody putt from 35 yards off the green today like that. That's just part of what you've got choices and can you take your choices and your talents and marry them? That's what makes this one I, I love this event. I've loved it since I've covered it. And I get so excited to get on the plane and come back every year because you see really cool stuff here.
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Mike Tirico
If I said that of all the places that have held the Open Championship, you had to live part time in those towns, those cities, where would you pick and say that's where I could live for three months out of the year?
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Dan Patrick
Port Rush, Northern Ireland. Oh yeah. Though the golf course is right next to Bushmills. You want to start there. So that would be. That's the town I live, I, I enjoy. But if you told me three months. St. Andrews. St. Andrews is, as you know, the town's great. I mean, you know, if you go there on a Sunday afternoon, people are walking their dogs down the 18th fairway, like the. One of the most famous places in the sport. 1 and 18. The game started right over in that corner, right when you're walking down there, but you're walking through the town with people. It's got a great university, one of the best universities in the uk, St Andrews. You can walk through the cemetery for those who like to walk through cemeteries. And old Tom Morris is buried at the cemetery. In town, it just has so much history and feel in addition to the really cool restaurants. So that would be the one place for three months. But if you, if you told me that we get to hang for a few weeks and go on a guys trip. Port Rush is pretty darn cool place.
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Mike Tirico
I know you probably didn't think you'd be asked this, but I'm going to ask this. Last night with the ESPYs, the team of the year. Yeah. Was the Knicks. Huh. Okay. Now Indiana football.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Mike Tirico
USA Hockey.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Mike Tirico
Okay. Either like Indiana football. Did you ever think in your lifetime, Mike, Indiana football would win a national title?
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Dan Patrick
Well, college sports is so screwed up right now and I won't get started on it because it's, it's a passion point for me. But how screwed up his college sports. Michigan is the basketball champion and Indiana
- [35:18]
Mike Tirico
is the football champion.
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Jason Garrett
Right.
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Dan Patrick
Twenty years ago, if you told me the reverse, say, yeah, of course they are. No, but that's. That's how screwed up things are. Yeah. That Indiana, that was a special thing. It's the New York factor. I mean, I grew up there. I love the city. But, you know, if it happens in New York, Northeast media elevates New York in a different capacity. So I was on the plane coming over here. I saw the ESPYs were last night, and it made me think about the first ESPYs. Were you at the first ESPYs or were you in the newsroom?
- [35:45]
Mike Tirico
No, I was there.
- [35:46]
Dan Patrick
You were there. So the group of us that were in the newsroom, the forgotten, the unwanted, the unwashed, that was one of the funniest nights of the year because the show was a bit on tape delay. So we're watching it come down live and we're all sitting there going, well, we are the B team, all of us sitting. We are the uninvited. But in all seriousness, like hat tip to ESPN for what the event has become.
- [36:13]
Mike Tirico
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
And what it still means for the V Foundation, like that. That is. That is one of the coolest things ESPN's ever done. Forget SportsCenter and all these sports and apps and all that. Like ESPN's. And George Bodenheimer, the president of ESPN for a long time, is a huge reason behind that. The connection of the V Foundation and ESPN and the SPS is one of the things that is just. This kind of gives me a great feeling inside to know that we saw it, we were part of it for a little bit, but we were the unwanted and the unwashed while you guys. The big time.
- [36:48]
Jason Garrett
Oh, yeah.
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Mike Tirico
Yeah, we were.
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Dan Patrick
For the. For the first one. Yeah.
- [36:54]
Mike Tirico
I didn't want to go to the sbs. No. No. I thought it was going to be a disaster.
- [37:02]
Dan Patrick
Well, I had the potential to be. Right. Because that's a very different lane for a cable sports network that was not a behemoth as it's become.
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Mike Tirico
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Right. And so, so credit to them for. For doing all that. Would you rather been doing the 2am with me and Myers that night? How are you? Glad you could make it for the show.
- [37:20]
Jason Garrett
Hi.
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Mike Tirico
Hello.
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Dan Patrick
And how are you?
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Mike Tirico
Yeah, but I'm glad I was there because I, you know, I was there and I. There was a lot of things that happened behind the scenes and how they got athletes to show up and.
- [37:35]
Dan Patrick
Greatest night in sports, Mike, for some yes.
- [37:40]
Mike Tirico
Just ask espn. Like, like cnn. We're the world's most important network. That was their thing. That was their.
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Dan Patrick
That was the best. I know.
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Mike Tirico
I'm like, damn, how did you win that? We didn't. We just named ourselves. When ESPN goes, we got the greatest night in sports. What is it, the ESPYs? I go, what?
- [37:56]
Dan Patrick
Okay, that was James Earl Jones who did that. Yeah.
- [38:00]
Mike Tirico
This is C. Cnn.
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Dan Patrick
Well, I always love radio shows. When people say, we've got a great hour coming up for you. Well, do you know that? Is it all on tape? Do you know it's great. What if the guest stinks? Right? Like this hour. You could have said, this is the greatest hour. I come on and it's been terrible.
- [38:18]
Mike Tirico
Well, you stole a job from me. But, but that's okay. Look at what it did for your career. And I'm stuck here doing this. Mike, congratulations.
- [38:28]
Dan Patrick
I'll bring you back a tea.
- [38:30]
Mike Tirico
Oh, that'd be great. That would be great.
- [38:32]
Dan Patrick
Thank you.
- [38:34]
Mike Tirico
We'll be. We'll be watching this weekend. Thank you, Mike.
- [38:37]
Dan Patrick
Thanks, buddy. See you, pal. Have a great week.
- [38:39]
Mike Tirico
Mike Tirico, coverage over the weekend on NBC. And Peacock is 7am Eastern Saturday and Sunday. You imagine management saying this to me, like, it's chaotic, that I'm running over to do a live sports event. And I remember one of my bosses, because it was going to break, the story was going to break and I'd been told that I was up for the golf job. Now, Mike, far better at that than I would have been, but I remember. So here it is. You know, it's 10:53, I got to get over at 11:00 and it's about a four minute walk. So, you know, they're saying, hey, just want to let you know you're not going to get the golf on abc. I go, could this have waited? And my boss said, no, because story's gonna break. Couldn't you have told me before the story was going to break? Maybe 4:00 in the afternoon. Unbelievable. It'll be in the book that I don't write. All right. When we come back, he's got a new podcast. He is Jason Garrett, Football Night in America. He'll join us right after this.
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Jason Garrett
Be sure to catch the live edition
- [39:48]
Dan Patrick
of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at
- [39:50]
Jason Garrett
9am Eastern, 6am PAC on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
- [39:55]
Dan Patrick
Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey.
- [40:02]
Jason Garrett
You're asking, what in God's name is the fifth hour?
- [40:05]
Dan Patrick
I'll tell you, it's a spin off of the Ben Mather Show, a cult hit overnights on fsr. Why should you listen?
- [40:11]
Mike Tirico
Picture, if you will, a world where
- [40:12]
Dan Patrick
we chat with captains of industry in media, sports and more every week. Explore some amazing, amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen to the fifth hour with Ben Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Mike Tirico
Great to see you again. Give me an idea of the coaches or former coaches that you're speaking to or you've already spoken to.
- [40:36]
Jason Garrett
Yeah, we've done a lot of them already, Dan. We did four sit down interviews with current NFL head coaches, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Dan Campbell and Dan Quinn. And then we've done podcasts, past interviews with Sean McDermott, Tony Dungy, Corey Close, the women's basketball coach at UCLA. Kelly Amante Hiller, the women's lacrosse coach at Northwestern, Jeff Monkin, the head football coach at Army. Trying to think, who else? Oh, Joe Girardi and Joe Madden, baseball guys. And it's just been a really fun experience talking to all these guys. You know, the podcast goes for an hour and I literally could go for three or four hours with them because, because I'm learning so much. And you know, you know this. The great Fred Guidelli says, enough with the platitudes. I want stories. I want reasons for the stories. And you know, we see we spend a lot of time having them talk about their stories when they went to these different places to build their teams and what it was like and, and what they learned from the different experiences. So they've been incredibly generous, incredibly humble, and I've learned a lot.
- [41:41]
Mike Tirico
Yeah. Freddie Godelli, the decorated producer with Football Night in America, is there a common thread with greatness at that level?
- [41:54]
Jason Garrett
You know, I think at the core of it, these guys are all coaches. These men and women are all coaches. And they really want to do whatever they can to help their players be their best. How do they create that environment for them? They obviously want to build something special. They're interested in building programs, not just teams. So, you know, we go through those processes and they're all a little bit different. What I love about it is they share stories about their mentors and their experiences and their influences and what I got from this guy and what I got from that guy and what I learned from this. And that all shapes them in a very unique way. And what I loved is they're very authentic. They're very open about their experiences and very humble about their experiences. What we did well, what we didn't do very well. And I think that's probably the thing that allows them to be great because they're constantly growing tougher to get to
- [42:49]
Mike Tirico
a championship level or remain there.
- [42:53]
Jason Garrett
Great question. You know, I tried to ask the guys who've won multiple championships that question. Kelly Amonte Hiller, the women's lacrosse coach at Northwestern, they've won like nine national championship. She won two as a player at Maryland. And they won a lot early. And then there was 10 years where they didn't win, and now they've won again. And she went through that process. They won seven out of eight, and then they had that a decade dry spell. And what she learned through that and what they were able to do early on, but then how she had to change as the athlete changed and maybe how she changed. So I think each of them have unique experiences. I would always argue that it's hardest to get there. Think about all the great coaches who've had built great teams in all sports that never won a championship, not unlike a great quarterback who never won a championship. So to win the first one, I think is the hardest, but there's certainly a challenge in maintaining it.
- [43:50]
Mike Tirico
We talked to the Seattle Seahawks head coach Mike McDonald last week, and he said, I said, said, who would surprise me that you talked to leading up to the super bowl with the Patriots? He said, well, I did talk to one person with a conflict of interest. I immediately said, bill Belichick. And he said, no, I've had beers with Belichick, but no, he was not the guy. How, how normal is that, that you can reach out to somebody who maybe played for a team, coached for the team that you were facing in a Super bowl or a big game?
- [44:26]
Jason Garrett
Well, I think what's really normal is you. You talk to, to people in the division that compete against that team. Right. So, hey, we, we play the AFC east, and, you know, after the game, I talked to a friend of mine on, say, the Patriots, and we have the jets coming up. He says, hey, you know, can we visit a little bit about the Jets? You know, and they kind of give us their insight on it. I think that happens a lot. I think the thing you're describing maybe happens less frequently because if you're with a team, you've had success with a team, I don't know that you're going to be completely forthcoming unless you have an ax to grind. Right?
- [45:04]
Mike Tirico
Yeah.
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Jason Garrett
And sometimes a guy gets cut or a Guy gets fired and he does have an ax to grind. And I think that probably is what precipitates those conversations. I hate these guys. They screwed me. Okay, I'm going to give you all I got, you know, But I think the first one happens more, the second one probably happens less.
- [45:20]
Mike Tirico
And it wasn't Tom Brady, by the way. People in New England keep saying, I'm covering up for Tom Brady. I go, I know who it was, but it's not Tom Brady, okay? I don't have a relationship with Tom Brady. I can only tell you that Mike McDonald told me who it was. And it's not Tom Brady, by the way. We ran into some players out there in Tahoe and they were counting the days down. Like the dread of going to training camps, camp. It's like, hey, you know, when's training camp start? 10 days. Kyle Hamilton of the Ravens and Baker Mayfield, like, they all knew 10 days. Do coaches feel that way?
- [46:00]
Jason Garrett
No, absolutely, absolutely. You get like a three or four week window in the summertime and it's like, ah, this is why I'm living a normal life. But then you're getting right back into the grind and, and you know, it's seven months, every minute of every day, you know, training camp for these guys. And I don't want to be the guy that says, hey, way back when, when we played. But, you know, training camp isn't really training camp anymore. I mean, they got days off left and right. They, they practice in the morning, walk through in the afternoon, they're done by 7 o' clock at night. I mean, it's a far cry from what training camp used to be, but, you know, once you step your foot in there for the first time, you're in it. And the Super Bowl's played February 14th, so. So, you know, summertime's over. Lake Tahoe is over. All that he and Haha with Dan Patrick, that's over.
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Mike Tirico
Talking to Jason Garrett, coach to coach. Go inside the minds of top leaders in sports and explore how they build their successful teams, the organizations. You can find it on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, Podcast, wherever you get your podcast. If Vince Lombardi was coaching today, could Lombardi have the same mindset, the same coaching style he did in the 60s with Green Bay? Or does he change because he has to change?
- [47:19]
Jason Garrett
You know, I read a quote recently from Frank Martin, the basketball coach down in South Carolina, and he said, I'm so tired of hearing people talk about how the kids have changed. You know, who's changed? The adults have changed. We've changed. We let them do whatever the hell they want. You know, you. It was a real rant. And, you know, I agree with a little of that. I really do. I don't know that Lombardi could be as extreme when you really think about the stories that people tell about those years he had in Green Bay. I don't know if he could be that extreme. But I always say this, and this comes up in the podcast when we talk to Andy Reid. You know, I call Andy Reid a fraud. I said, you know, I think you're a fraud. And he's a great friend of mine and certainly a mentor, but, you know, he stands on the sidelines and he's kind of a fatherly figure, a grandfatherly figure, and he does the Nuggies commercials with. With Mahomes, and he dresses up like Santa Claus. But go to Andy Reid's practice and go watch the. Go watch the Kansas City Chiefs practice. Shirts are tucked in. They run, they hit. He threw the GPS's away 10 years ago. He's not counting how many steps and workloads and all that stuff they're running. They're doing long drives, 18 play, 20 play, 22 play drives in practice. It's an old school mentality. So I think that gives him an advantage. When I travel around to training camps and I see teams practice that way, I think that gives them an advantage. Now, was it to the extreme of Lombardi?
- [48:44]
Dan Patrick
No.
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Jason Garrett
But I do think you can still coach players tough. You can coach them hard, you can develop relationships with them. And that's one of the great takeaways from it. You know, we talk about this a lot. It's easy to be a black and white leader. Hey, I'm the hard ass or I'm the coach's player. You know, greatness comes when, you know, high standards, high accountability. But I also develop relationships with these guys. The nuance of leadership, I think that's what the best guys do.
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Mike Tirico
Before I let you go, ESPN had the quarterback list, the top quarterbacks, and I kind of view those lists as regular season. That their stats if. Because, you know, there's certain players that are in there and ranked high, like Dak Prescott or Lamar Jackson. They don't have playoff success. If I said, let's have the list and it comes down to this criteria. Game on the line, two minutes to go. How different is that list, in your opinion?
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Jason Garrett
I think it's different. I did something the other day with Kevin Jennings, the quarterback at smu, and he and I did an interview and the last Question he asked me was your Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks of all time? And, you know, it's one of the hardest questions there is, and there's a lot of potholes all over the place on this one. But, you know, I just said, I'm going to be honest with you. And I went, I went Unitis. I went Montana, I went Brady, and I went Aikman. I said, you know, I'm biased because I played with Troy for eight years and we won three Super Bowls and all of that. But to your question about game on the line, you know, we're racking up stats left and right. Guys are throwing for 80,000 yards, all of that. But is that as meaningful as what Terry Bradshaw did, winning four Super Bowls, or Joe Montana leading the drive against Cincinnati, or Troy Aikman just being impeccable? And three super bowl performances, you know, Tom Brady, obviously the best of all of them. So, you know, those big moments, that's when those guys get measured. And, you know, I think it applies to other positions, too. Lynn Swan, what does he have, 400 catches less than that? That's. Yeah, that's, that's, that's. That's two years for two and a half years for guys these days. Right. But his catches were pretty meaningful, weren't they?
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Mike Tirico
Yeah.
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Jason Garrett
Go back and see the images of Swan in the back of the end zone in the Super Bowl. So, so, you know, I do think those are the things that guys get measured by. And you look at the guys who have won, those are the guys that you put first. Patrick Mahomes is one for me. Right. Because he has all the other stuff. But then he's won the big games.
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Mike Tirico
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Look, I love Josh Allen, but he's a regular season quarterback. Like, I, I have to look, I'd
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Jason Garrett
be careful of that. You know, for years they said John Elway is a regular season quarterback, but you and I both know that John Elway put that, that city of Denver on his shoulders and he carried them there. And then when they got to playing the super bowl, they weren't as good. Right?
- [51:41]
Mike Tirico
Yeah, but he got to the Super Bowl. He got to the super bowl, and, and he was leading drives in the playoffs. Like, you know, when you're beating Houston, you're beating the Browns, and it's John Elway who's doing that. Look, Josh Allen is probably the best quarterback in the NFL, but I'm saying, like, trying to think, like, there's Caleb. Caleb Williams is really good in the fourth quarter. He might not be a great regular season guy, but, you know, fourth quarter, he's proven to be really, really great, I think, sometimes. Yeah, go ahead.
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Jason Garrett
Let's. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Let's go back 20 years. You're doing the show, and we're having the same conversation about Peyton Manning. Okay. Throws all these touchdown passes. But in the big games, you know, New England knows how to shut him down.
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Mike Tirico
Yes.
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Jason Garrett
Right.
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Mike Tirico
Yes.
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Jason Garrett
You know, and that's a story that's been a story for a long time in a lot of different sports, how the guy can't break through. The guy can't break through. The guy can't break through. He's not good enough. And then he breaks through. The circumstances around him are better, and then he's able to do that. So Josh Allen will win a Super bowl, and I believe he's going to win multiple Super Bowls, and he's knocking on the door.
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Mike Tirico
I know, but game on the line. I. You're not taking Josh Allen over Patrick Mahomes.
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Jason Garrett
I'll take a Patrick Mahomes.
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Mike Tirico
Yes. Wonderful. I. But I'm saying there's a different list. If I look at a game on the line and it's a playoff game, Lamar Jackson hasn't produced. Until he does, I can't put him up there and go, oh, yeah, he's. He's an incredible talent, but he's like Josh Allen.
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Jason Garrett
Yeah. Agree with you completely. Agree with you completely. And, you know, let's go back to the greatest one that ever walked in basketball. Right. What are the conversations about Jordan, you know, through the mid late 80s. Right. Boy, the guy can score, he's incredible, whatever. But he's never won a championship until he does, until they get the team around him and the circumstances are right, and then he wins six of them. So I agree with you. I couldn't agree with you more, But
- [53:43]
Mike Tirico
Hertz was 17th on the list. But if you said game on the line and it's a playoff game, he's top five.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Jason Garrett
And he's an enigma. Because there are a lot of things you don't like about. You know, they seem inconsistent during the season. But go back and look at his performances in the super bowl, in the big games. Talk about a guy who takes a deep breath and comes up and makes plays. He's been fantastic. So you make a great point. He should be higher than 17.
- [54:14]
Mike Tirico
Good luck with the podcast. Great to talk to you again, coach.
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Jason Garrett
Thanks. You're the best, man.
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Mike Tirico
That's Jason Garrett. Football night in America. Former head coach, coach to coach. You can find it on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your podcast, you know I hate list but then I end up talking about how I hate list and then talking about the list. But there's certain quarterbacks. Do you want them on your team? When Russell Wilson was playing at a very high level, he was in the top five for me. Game on the line. He would be in my top five certain players and yes, is Josh Allen the most talented quarterback or Lamar Jackson? Yes, probably. So you're taking Patrick Mahomes over them in the playoffs. Game on the line. You just star. Take a break. Last call for phone calls. What we learned and right after this,
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Jason Garrett
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Dan Patrick
talk lineup in the nation.
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Jason Garrett
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Dan Patrick
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Mike Tirico
Guaranteed human.