The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Date: May 21, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick (iHeartPodcasts / Dan Patrick Podcast Network)
Notable Guests: Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Ewing

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show delivers an engaging blend of NBA playoff analysis, historical comparisons in sports, and hallmark humor and storytelling. Highlights include Dan’s in-depth breakdown of the Thunder-Spurs NBA playoff series, insightful discussions around Victor Wembanyama and Shohei Ohtani’s unique places in sports history, and two excellent interviews with Hall of Famers Isaiah Thomas and Patrick Ewing. The focus is on basketball’s evolving styles, memorable rivalries, and the generational impact of iconic players.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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1. NBA Playoff Analysis: Thunder vs. Spurs

[02:00–04:40]

• Series Updates: Dan shares detailed stats from the Thunder’s win over the Spurs, highlighting SGA’s (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s) performance, OKC’s depth, and the critical turnover margin (OKC: 9 turnovers, Spurs: 21).
• Depth Matters: OKC’s bench scored 57 points (franchise playoff record since moving from Seattle).
• Key Takeaway: The Thunder’s defense and bench productivity put pressure on the injury-hampered Spurs. Dan compares the series intensity to legendary Colts vs. Patriots NFL rivalries of the 2000s.

“Depth is probably going to be the difference. It's really rare to go eight or nine deep in the postseason and get big moments from those guys.”
— Dan Patrick [04:33]

• Injuries: Spurs’ hopes hinge on the health of Dylan Harper and De’Aaron Fox. Wembanyama “has to play great” for the Spurs to have a chance.

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2. Poll Questions: Ohtani vs. Wembanyama – Who Will We Remember With More Amazement?

[08:07–14:51]

• The Big Debate: Who will be more amazing in sports memory: Shohei Ohtani or Victor Wembanyama?

“Ohtani’s like the first guy on the moon... He’s going to have all these records that are, they're not just unbreakable. No one's even going to have the chance to do it.”
— Paulie [10:41]

“Wemby gives you far more highlights—moments where you go, ‘Oh, haven’t seen that before.’”
— Dan Patrick [11:24]

• Ohtani’s Uniqueness: Stats about Ohtani’s simultaneous stellar play as a pitcher and hitter (21 leadoff homers with the Dodgers; longest streak of games with 25+ points off turnovers since 2007).
• Wembanyama’s “Wow” Factor: Dan compares Wembanyama’s physical feats to Ohtani’s statistical marvels, acknowledging the impact of both.
• Future Stars: The crew ponders whether we’re more likely to see another Wemby (unique physical talent) or another Ohtani (dual skill set), discussing athlete evolution and team willingness to embrace outlier talents.

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3. Guest Interview: Isaiah Thomas

[19:30–39:05]

Life After Playing

[19:40–20:43]

• Isaiah still shoots around but hasn’t played competitive basketball in years.
• He believes Reggie Miller (now 60) could still get up and down the court due to his conditioning.

Basketball Strategy and Evolution

[21:35–24:34]

• Dan asks if the "Jordan Rules" could work today; Isaiah explains how San Antonio’s current defense on SGA is an updated version.
• SGA compared to Michael Jordan: “SGA is more of a passer than Jordan was... Jordan was a reluctant passer. He would actually take on the double team as a challenge and try to score.” ([22:04])

“Ball dominant guards—that’s a new term for a guy that doesn’t like to pass... We just called them hogs.”
— Isaiah Thomas [24:43]

• On defending Jalen Brunson: He praises Brunson’s versatile offense and situational intelligence.
• Isaiah builds his dream team: Kareem, Bird, Duncan, Jordan, himself. Pauses on choosing Jordan over Kobe/LeBron due to team balance.

Teaching and the Skyhook

[27:18–28:49]

• Dan asks why no one’s replicated Kareem’s skyhook. Isaiah pinpoints a decline in basketball “teaching,” contrasting old “teachers” vs. today’s “coaches.”

“We have good coaches in our game now. I don’t know if we have great teachers in our game.”
— Isaiah Thomas [27:31]

Historic Perspectives

[29:04–33:37]

• On playoff collapses and comebacks: Isaiah admits he’s never seen a team lose a 22-point playoff lead with 7 minutes left and have to regroup so quickly.
• Recalls a viral video where he punched Rick Mahorn: “I thank God every day he didn’t just annihilate me.”
• Emphasizes the unique mindset of Dennis Rodman and how other players emulate his defense/rebounding but lack his commitment.

Greatest Shooters & Contemporary Comparisons

[33:37–35:41]

• Best Shooter Debate: He puts Kevin Durant up with Steph Curry for all-time great shooting.
• Dan notes: “What Curry has done is made shooting from [deep] range and us accepting people missing from that range normal.”

On Patrick Ewing & Bob Knight

[35:41–39:05]

• Isaiah shares personal stories about Patrick Ewing and expresses admiration for Bob Knight’s profound influence on today’s basketball offense and defense (“geniuses are always a little complicated”).

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4. Guest Interview: Patrick Ewing

[43:15–59:33]

Knicks Playoff Energy & Garden Memories

[43:15–45:25]

• Ewing describes the emotional experience of supporting the Knicks with fellow alumni and the crowd’s unique “home” energy.
• Most memorable moment: Finally beating Indiana to make the NBA Finals, marking catharsis for fans and himself (arms raised on the scorer’s table).

Rivalries & Evolution

[46:17–48:52]

• Candidly discusses his old rivalry with Reggie Miller (“sometimes I wonder, do I really still hate him?... great actor, would’ve gotten an Academy Award for his acting!”).
• Compares Ralph Sampson to Wembanyama, asserting Sampson would have flourished as a perimeter big in today’s NBA, just as Victor Wembanyama does.

Skills, Eras, and All-Time Greats

[48:52–54:17]

• On his own shooting: Ewing laments that big men were discouraged from shooting jumpers in his day, revealing he always had a broader skillset.
• Evaluates Nikola Jokic’s place among all-time bigs (“special... I would have loved to have tried to compete against him”).
• Shares a story about facing Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s “unstoppable” skyhook, pushing for double teams even late in Kareem’s career.

Celebrity Encounters & Knicks Fandom

[54:17–56:09]

• Talks about being recognized at MSG and being more excited to meet Lenny Kravitz or K-Pop idols than celebrities are to meet him.
• Marvels at Knicks fans’ presence even at away games.

On Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and the Dream Team’s Impact

[56:09–58:46]

• On his friendships and rivalries with Michael Jordan and Larry Bird (“Larry would talk trash even if I saw him today!”).
• Reflects on the Dream Team’s role in globalizing basketball, especially for players from non-traditional basketball countries.

Last Reflections

[59:03–59:33]

• Ewing expresses pride in Knicks fans and his deep ties to the New York basketball community.
• Playfully teases Dan about his challenge for a friendly shootaround.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the importance of playoff depth:
  “Depth is probably going to be the difference... it's really rare to go eight or nine deep in the postseason and get big moments from those guys.”
  — Dan Patrick [04:33]

• Comparing Ohtani and Wembanyama’s uniqueness:
  “Ohtani’s like the first guy on the moon... He’s going to have all these records... But Wemby gives you far more highlights—moments where you go, ‘Oh, haven’t seen that before.’”
  — Paulie & Dan Patrick [10:41–11:24]

• On evolving basketball roles:
  “Ball dominant guards—that’s a new term for a guy that doesn’t like to pass... We just called them hogs.”
  — Isaiah Thomas [24:43]

• Teaching vs. Coaching:
  “We have good coaches... I don’t know if we have great teachers in our game.”
  — Isaiah Thomas [27:31]

• Rivalry with Reggie Miller:
  “Sometimes I wonder, do I really still hate him?... I show the respect that I have for his game. And also the things that he’s doing now.”
  — Patrick Ewing [46:22]

• On the Dream Team’s impact:
  “When David Stern decided to let the NBA players play in the Olympics... basketball became a global sport. That was one of the smartest things he did.”
  — Patrick Ewing [58:14]

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Memorable Moments

• Isaiah’s punch on Rick Mahorn: Isaiah laughs about a moment of competitive excess and Rick’s gentle reaction ([30:09]).
• Patrick Ewing’s fan moment: Admits to being starstruck by Lenny Kravitz and not knowing K-Pop bands—relatable humility for a legend ([54:22]).
• Player trash talk: Ewing names Michael Jordan as the all-time greatest trash talker, even beyond Larry Bird ([56:57]).

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Episode Structure & Tone

Dan’s style is easygoing but knowledgeable, balancing deep basketball insight with self-deprecating humor and warm exchanges with his guests. Both Thomas and Ewing are candid, reflective, and entertaining, often sharing stories with historical perspective and personal color. The banter is good-natured, fluid, and informative—making the episode accessible and rewarding for any sports or basketball fan.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

If you want to understand why the current NBA playoffs matter, how generational athletes like Wembanyama and Ohtani compare in their historical contexts, or just crave behind-the-scenes stories from two Hall of Famers, this is a quintessential Dan Patrick Show you shouldn’t miss.

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Key Segments to Check Out:

• Thunder-Spurs playoff analysis: [02:00–04:40]
• Ohtani vs. Wemby amazement debate: [08:07–14:51]
• Isaiah Thomas interview: [19:30–39:05]
• Patrick Ewing interview: [43:15–59:33]

Transcript

[Announcer]

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[Dan Patrick]

We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

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[Isaiah Thomas]

What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm CJ Toledano.

[Dan Patrick]

It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the playoffs.

[Isaiah Thomas]

We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season and I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was firm.

[Dan Patrick]

You just understood.

[Isaiah Thomas]

That's how personal it got.

[Announcer]

Wow.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Then after that game seven, Marquis coming to you, he's like, you know I love you, dawg. You know it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.

[Dan Patrick]

So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio, Thunder over the Spurs 30 for SGA as the series tied at a game apiece. This feels like it's going seven. And the only way it won't is if Darren Fox and Dylan Harper cannot play for the Spurs. They need to be fully assembled to beat okc. OKC has survived without Jalen Williams for most of the season. Last night, turnovers the big key. OKC quietly plays stifling defense. Stefan castle, you had one highlight and that's a dunk. But you had nine turnovers and eight assists. The team had 21. OKC had nine. So those are the big numbers here. But also when you factor in the depth that OKC has and San Antonio does not have. OKC's bench scored 57 points. That's the most the Thunder have had in a playoff game since they relocated from Seattle. But you also see what they did with the points off turnovers. They had 27 points off turnovers. That's the fifth time this postseason they've scored at least 25 points off turnovers. This doesn't happen very often. If you go back the last 30 years, only two teams have had more games where they had points 25 or more off turnovers in a single postseason. The last time it happened, golden state back in 2007. Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. We say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. That's our streaming partner this first hour, brought to you by Rectech. R e c t e q.com serious grillers choose rec tech. More heat, more consistent temperature control. It's just a better grill than what you have. Rec tech wood fire grills built like a tank. Nothing compares to cooking on a rec tech. So you have the guest list today and couple of poll questions I'm guessing Dylan will have for you. Stat of the day and our play of the day as well. Your phone calls always welcome. Operator Tyler sitting by at 8, 7 7, 3, DP show basketball tonight. Cavaliers getting six and a half as they were getting in game one. And I already have the betting line on Friday. The Thunder. The Thunder will be a slight underdog in San Antonio. I've got them a one and a half point. Alrighty, Dylan, poll question for the first hour of the program.

[Dylan]

All right, Dan. Well, after two games, who would you take in the Thunder spurs series?

[Dan Patrick]

I would take okc. I mean, there's a reason why they're favorites. They won the game they were supposed to win. Although San Antonio had that game, a chance to win that game. But Without Dylan Harper, without de' Aaron Fox. Wemby played well, he didn't play great and he has to play great if they're going to win this series. OKC is just a better team, playoff team right now. I don't know the injury with Dylan Harper. The spurs were vague on that after the game. Darren Fox, the high ankle sprain. If you have those two guys, then San Antonio I think could win this, will win this. But OKC with home court advantage in here and you don't have an answer for sga. It's just depth. You got guys, you know, coming to you in waves, coming off the bench. And that's what happens this time of the year. It's really rare to go eight or nine deep and go to go eight or nine deep where they're actually contributing big points, big moments there because usually your rotation gets a little shorter in the postseason. You see seven players, maybe eight players, and depth is probably going to be the difference. If San Antonio somehow gets Hill Harper and Dear and Fox, then they have a great chance because we saw what they did during the regular season. But that's regular season. OKC knows how OKC doesn't lose back to back playoff games. I'm trying to think the last time I think it was 2024, they have not lost consecutive playoff games since dropping Games 5 and 6 of the Western Conference semis to the Mavericks. And I start to look at these two teams and they may beat each other up before one gets to the NBA Finals, which would be great news for the Knicks or if the Cavs can come back and make this a series. And I started to think about the spurs and okc. They're both young and it feels like they're going to be around for quite some time. And it reminds me of the Colts and the Patriots when it was Brady and Peyton Manning. It felt like if you were going to get to the super bowl, you had to go through either the Colts or the Patriots. And also when you think about it, these teams aren't the prototypical. We shoot a lot of three pointers because they don't, they don't have those guys. SGA doesn't shoot threes. Wembley will shoot a couple threes, but they don't. Their offense isn't predicated on. We have to shoot at least 45 threes. And I find that interesting with contrasting styles. What's going on in the NBA where it feels like, hey, you gotta, you gotta put up at least 45 if you're going to win games that's you know, the, the new analytics with the NBA, the spurs and the Thunder saying maybe not so fast. What other poll questions, Dylan, do you have for the first hour?

[Dylan]

Todd sent over an interesting one.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Getting started already.

[Dan Patrick]

When their careers are over, who will

[Dylan]

we remember with more amazement? Shohei Ohtani or Victor Wembanyama?

[Dan Patrick]

I think this is a great poll question. And when I saw it from Todd, I checked to see if it was from Todd and I go, I'll be damned. It's from Todd. Yes. Todd kind of alluded to it yesterday. Paul even may have brought it up.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Those names came up yesterday. It wasn't formulated specifically as a poll question, but we hinted about, you know,

[Robert Smigel]

the greats, these guys specifically.

[Isaiah Thomas]

So why not make a poll question on them?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, right on cue, Ohtani homers leading off the game and goes five scoreless innings last night. You know, 20 years from now, people are going to, oh, this day in sports history. Oh, what did Ohtani do? He's going to be like the modern day Babe Ruth where it feels like we have a Babe Ruth stat on this day in 1929. Feels like we're going to have that with Shohei Ohtani. But Ohtani is, I mean, there's nothing like Ohtani. I know Wemby is different than anybody we've ever seen. I don't, I don't know. That's tough. I mean, we've seen some brilliant highlights with Ohtani already. But, but his highlights aren't like Wemby's. He might hit a home run. He might strike out seven in five innings. But, okay, Wemby can go 41 and 24 and have 10 blocks. That hasn't happened. Now, I know, you know, we're seeing Ohtani do both of these things simultaneously, but Wemby plays defense as well. I mean, he's, he's playing offense and defense. Ohtani, when you're pitching and hitting, playing offense and defense. So I would think dramatic moments, it would be Wemby. Yes, Dylan, but if you're a basketball

[Dylan]

player, you are supposed to play offense and defense, right? Some guys just downs.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but he plays at a higher level than anybody. Like, Ohtani's not the best pitcher in baseball, but he can pitch like he's the best pitcher in base. There's nobody like Wendy. Wemby's the best defensive player. Not even close. And then offensively, he holds his own and he's just learning. At 22, what's Otani 28. Does that sound about right? Oh, how old Paulie he's 31. Okay. Wow. All right.

[Paulie]

He got started a little late.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, I think the key to this poll question is the word amazement. When, like, Wembanyama had a play last night, he had a right handed runner, it rims out and he reached across the lane and tipped it in with his left hand. And even Reggie Miller goes, what was that? Because his hand just kind of comes out of nowhere. This long broomstick arm, and he tipped it from the backside. So that's amazement. I think what Ohtani has. Ohtani is like the first guy on the moon. He's setting all these records, you know, leadoff hitter to pitch five innings in a game and get a win. No one's ever done it before. Babe Ruth never let off. He pitched. He never let off. So he's going to have all these records that are, they're not just unbreakable. No one's even going to have the, the chance to do it.

[Dan Patrick]

Ohtani let off the game with a home run. Then five shutout innings. Since joining the Dodgers in 2024, he has 21 home runs to lead off a game, most by any player in baseball. But once again, when you're thinking about wow moments, Ohtani is just great. I mean, he's a great pitcher and great hitter. But Wemby gives you, he's going to give you far more highlights. Moments where you go, oh, haven't seen that before. And it almost looked like somebody else's hand was up there on that play. Like the, like Wemby had three arms, three hands up there. And when you're, you know, when Reggie is going, what was that? Like, these guys have been around the game for a long, long time. But I think that's, I think that's an interesting poll question to see how people respond. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

I mean, even just looking at this current MLB season, Ohtani is the overwhelming favorite for MVP again as a hitter, and he is the third best odds to win the Cy Young as a pitcher.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, we've seen players, Michael Jordan, he won the mvp and he was defensive player of the year. And Wemby will be both one year. So that would be, I guess, the computer. So we've seen this before in the NBA, what Wemby's trying to do. Also they have that video to the side of Wemby when SGA was getting his MVP award. And you could see, and they, they said, is, is Wemby mean mugging SGA as he gets his mvp like, all right, better enjoy it now because those Are mine moving forward? Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

That being a MVP and D defensive player of the year feels more attainable to me than a MVP and Cy Young baseball.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, nobody's been able to try it.

[Dylan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Nobody's gotten a chance like, Skeens was a great college hitter. They're not even letting him bat for the Pirates. I would love to see somebody. I think we'll see somebody because. And it might not be now, might be 10 years from now, but somebody will be inspired by Ohtani. But you also have to have a team that's willing to let you do both. And the Angels were going to do that, and of course, the Dodgers. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

And the comp for Ohtani would be Travis Hunter playing with Jacksonville. But even there, they let him split offense, defense one season. Now it's going to be mostly defense and a little offense. They're not going to, you know, at some point in his career, he's going to be all defense and a touch of offense.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Marvin, not to be a killjoy, but

[Announcer]

pitchers have won the league mvp.

[Dan Patrick]

What you're saying is a great offensive

[Announcer]

player that also pitches, Correct?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Isaiah Thomas]

All right.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't want to be a killjoy.

[Announcer]

Sorry.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Like, but Willie Hernandez of the tigers back in 1984, Justin Verlander, and just. Yeah, yeah. I hate when somebody says a pitcher can't be most valuable. Like, they have their own award. Okay. It's not like pitchers say, hey, we need our award, you know, if we can't be mvp. Yes. Dylan, do you think we would be

[Dylan]

more likely to see another Wemby first or another Ohtani first? Obviously, there's a genetic component to the wembanyama, like, in terms of, like, being 7 foot 5.

[Announcer]

But

[Dan Patrick]

right now I would say Wemby. Right now I would say Wemby. But you got to get somebody to give you a chance to do both hitting and pitching. Like, that's really the key. We might see somebody this size do what Wemby's done, because this is how it. The evolution of athletes is. You're inspired by an athlete, and then you try to replicate what they do. Yeah. Paul.

[Paulie]

It was like, Paul Skeens was a great hitter at Air Force and a great pitcher, then became just a great pitcher. These teams, like the Pirates, are not going to let skeens bat 500 times. When Ohtani was deciding which major league team to go to, he said, I'm hitting and pitching. And only a few teams said, yes. The Angels were somewhat desperate from what I'VE read and said yes, you needed the opening like you said, and he's

[Dan Patrick]

already had procedures done, too, and he's 31 years of age. You hope he'll be able to stay healthy to do both. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am ETC Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth

[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Dan Patrick]

Huge news.

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We created our own podcast called hey Jonas.

[Dan Patrick]

We invented a podcast.

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Well, we didn't invent it.

[Announcer]

We.

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

We just contributed to it.

[Dan Patrick]

First people to do podcasts.

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

Pretty. Yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. But this one's extra special. So how did we. How do we actually come up with the name hey Jonas? Guys, I honestly don't remember.

[Dan Patrick]

I think it was on a call

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

about what we should call it and we were thinking, I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes, I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing a bit for the podcast. People could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad hey Jonas. And offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that. Guys, listen to hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast, just listen.

[Dan Patrick]

We don't care where you hear it.

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[Dan Patrick]

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

[Robert Smigel]

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They call him Zeke. He's Isaiah Thomas, hall of Famer, Chairman, CEO of Isaiah Enterprises. Good to see you again, Isaiah it is. How you doing?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Good to see you too. Look at you, looking all good.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, look at me. I've made it now and made it to the big time. Made it to the big time. When's the last time you played basketball?

[Announcer]

Oh,

[Isaiah Thomas]

it's been a long time ago. But I. But I still shoot, right? I still go out and I'll shoot free throws or I'll just go in the gym and like just get some shots up. But in terms of like physically, like competing and playing, that's been a long time.

[Dan Patrick]

Is there anybody who's over 50 who's still a great basketball player that played in the NBA in your opinion?

[Isaiah Thomas]

In our minds, all of us are. We all still think we can do it and get out there and play, but I would say probably. Is Reggie 50 yet? Reggie Miller?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I think I would say he's still in condition, physically fit, can. Can go out and get up and down the court. Probably not as fast, but can play.

[Dan Patrick]

He said he thinks he could give somebody about 10 minutes because he can still shoot.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Absolutely. And today's game, he, he would get more than 10 minutes, you know. Cause in today's game, you know, you got one way players. Right back when we were playing you, you had to be a two way player. Right now he can just be a specialist, stand out on the court and play 15, 20 minutes. And, and if, and if someone scored 20 points on him, it won't be a big deal.

[Dan Patrick]

Reggie's 60. I just, I just saw Reggie.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Okay, well, yeah, so I, I would, I would say he, he probably more than anyone can. I. I think in all age bracket could still get out there and play. Not with the, not with the NBA, but you know, just, you know, hold his own.

[Dan Patrick]

Would, could the Jordan rules work now in today's NBA, let's say against Wembanyama or sga.

[Isaiah Thomas]

We actually see San Antonio doing that with sga. You know, we. Right now the new name for it is boxes and elbows. And where you see where SGA likes to shoot from mid range, they have a double team trap set up for him at the elbow. So if he goes right, he's forced into, you know, a double team. If he goes left, he's forced into a double team on the back line. They keep Wimby as a, as a rim protector. And then they have a smaller player in rotation shooting out to the corners. That's why you see those corner threes right now that OKC is knocking down, Those are the ones that they're giving up because they're taking the, the elbow shots or the mid range shots away from sga. So though, you know, it's, it's similar to what we did with Jordan. You know, we would force Jordan left, Traplin going left. SGA is more of a, a passer than Jordan was at that particular time. Jordan was what we called a reluctant passer. He would actually take on the double team, right, As a challenge and try to score over the double team as opposed to kicking it out. And when Phil Jackson came along, put him in a triangle and put those snipers around him, that's when everything changed.

[Dan Patrick]

Have you seen anything resembling women? Yum.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Before I would say Ralph Sampson. Early, Early Ralph Sampson. You know, his first three years in the NBA, I believe he was in the NBA finals. His third year, his third or fourth years in the NBA finals playing against the Celtics, upset the Laker dynasty. Remember they swept the Lakers and that's when they changed the playoff format because they didn't want the Lakers going out early, so. Right. They changed the playoff on that. You, you, you know, you've been around, Dan. You know what happened. You know how the rules changes and got manipulated and everything else. And I see you scratching your face right now, but, you know, you, it's all good. I understand. But they didn't like the Lakers being swept, so they gave the Lakers more time to win in the playoffs. But Sampson was, he was that dominant. And if Sampson don't get hurt. You remember Bill Russell saying that, you know, Ralph Sampson, if he doesn't, if he continues on the path that he's going, he would be considered, you know, one of the greatest players, if not the greatest player to play all game.

[Dan Patrick]

Ball dominant guards. Now it seems like it's commonplace. Was there such a thing as a ball dominant guard back when you played?

[Isaiah Thomas]

No, because you had, you had guys in the locker room who would say, if you don't pass me the ball, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stick your little ass up on the wall. You know, you know, big guys were, you know, they, they wanted to play too. And it was a team game where everyone shared, you know, but, you know, ball dominant guards, you know, that's a, that's a new term for a guy that don't like to pass and he hogs all the shots. We used to call them hogs, now they call them ball down. The ball dominant.

[Dan Patrick]

How would you guard Brunson?

[Announcer]

Oof. Oof.

[Isaiah Thomas]

East of I, you know, you even, even now, when you watch games, you always think about what you would do and how you would guard and play against someone because we're all extremely competitive. He is, he's tough, man. He's, he's a, he's a shot maker from long distance. He's got mid range game. He can post you up. He's got finish around the basket, right hand, left hand. You know, he goes both ways, right and left. He's, you know, he is. I, I don't, I don't know what I would try to take away. And whatever I take away, he's good enough to do something else. So he, he by far right now in terms of scoring a basketball and making shots and playmaking. You know that he's, he's at the top of the league right now, in my opinion.

[Dan Patrick]

He's Isaiah Thomas, the Hall of Famer. Build me your dream team.

[Announcer]

Kareem bird,

[Isaiah Thomas]

duncan. Jordan, myself.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, you paused on the two guard there. Were you thinking of Kobe?

[Isaiah Thomas]

I was thinking of Kobe. Or LeBron. But I, it's like I need a, I need a little bit more scoring and balance in someone that would, you know, play well with Kareem and also myself. And I thought that that's why I paused.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm. I don't know how surprised you are, but, you know, Kareem had the most unstoppable shot in basketball history, but nobody's really tried to master that. Why is that?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Well, the, the, the teaching in all game has. Has drastically, in my opinion, gone down. And I, I think what, you know, Kareem, you know, he had great teachers. And not only did he have great teachers, but they knew how to teach. So when you talk about, you know, the greatest shot ever, being coached by Wooden and then in high school, you know, he had great fundamentals, he had great teaching. We have good coaches in our game now. I don't know if we have great teachers in our game. And remember, Dan, in order to be a coach back then you had to have dual degrees. You had to have a master's degree, and then you were called a teacher. And the coaches back then, they referred to themselves as teachers first and then a coach. Right now we have a lot of teachers. I mean, we have a lot of coaches, but we don't really have teachers. So when you talk about Kareem's fundamental base in that shot, who, who is taking the time to really teach it and who knows how to teach it,

[Dan Patrick]

what's it like to come back from a loss? I don't know if you ever experienced what the Cavaliers or anything near what they went through to then regroup and then play a day later.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I've never gone through anything like that and very rarely have we seen it in the history of our game. Right. So they will be, they will be a first to see how a team bounces back. Because, no, I, I can't think of a, a playoff situation where a team has lost a 22 point lead with seven minutes to go on the road in the game one, and now you got to come back and regroup in the game two and think you're going to beat that team after you've had your shot. So I don't know how they regroup. You know, I expect them to go down 20 and hopefully they can come back at home and regroup. But trying to regroup on the road, that's going to be tough.

[Dan Patrick]

I get random videos that pop up in my social media feeds, and one came up where you were mad at Rick Mahorn and you punched him.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I Was stupid, outdone.

[Dan Patrick]

But

[Isaiah Thomas]

don't ask me what was I thinking. The only thing that I am so thankful of is that Rick Mahorn looked at me and kind of chuckled and was like, little dude, don't. You know, I could just take you and squish you like a great. I mean, I thank God every day, like, he didn't just, like, annihilate me, because he really could have. But in my mind, I was ready to go, you know, and that's how psychologically, you know, you get a little off when you're trying to win, but,

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, that's what made you great. But Mahorn's look, when you smacked him in the face, he just looked down and grinned, and it was like, no, you don't want any part of this. You don't want any part of this.

[Isaiah Thomas]

You know, again, so thankful. So thankful that he would. He would take that attitude, right, And. And say, no, you don't want any part of this. But, hey, I'm. I'm sorry.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you eventually say sorry to him?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Absolutely I did.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Absolutely I did. And. And still do today, right? Because you say the video pops up and, you know, we're all men, and it's something to chuckle about, but then it's some also to, you know, kind of respect, like, you, you know. You know, I did you a solid by not hurting you, and I'm like, yes, thank you every day. Thank you, Rick, for not hurting me.

[Dan Patrick]

Can you see a player trying to be like Dennis Rodman today?

[Isaiah Thomas]

I think we have several who. Who try to imitate his style defensively and. And they're known for, you know, defending and rebounding. In our league right now, what they don't have is, you know, his kind of moxie and belief. I mean, when Dennis came in athletically, I mean, you saw Dan, he was a freak athletically. I mean, running, jumping, rebounding. And what I really admired about him and got to understand was how smart and brilliant he was about the game and accepting. Keyword, accepting what he could do and what he couldn't do. And I see players now trying to maximize and do things that they can't do, but if they focused on rebounding and defending, as he did his whole career, I think he went into the hall of Fame and never averaged double digits in scoring, you know, but, you know, rebounding and defending is what he did and what he was known for. There are a lot of players who have that capability, but I don't know if they have that perseverance and discipline to Come to the arena every night and say, this is what I'm going to do.

[Dan Patrick]

If not Steph Curry, then who is the best shooter in the NBA?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Kevin Durant. I would say Kevin Durant is right there with Curry in terms of being

[Dan Patrick]

the best shooter, because I think when we look at Steph, it's deep shooting. You're talking about shooting because Durant's taking that area that I keep saying is open for business, the two point shot. Because everybody wants to shoot the three steps, mastered it. But Durant, meanwhile, was like, you gonna let me have this jumper? And he's just about it, unguardable at that size, that length. And, and he does it miss. So that's an interesting answer. I haven't heard Kevin Durant as somebody who might be up there, greatest shooter of one of the greatest shooters of all time.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Well, the, the numbers say he is, and, and then what you just, you know, articulated confirms it. But the numbers say that, you know, I mean, when we talk about Curry and shooting, right, I, I look at Reggie Miller, I look at, you know, Larry Bird, you know, Ray Allen, those guys were great shooters. I think what Curry has done is he's extended the range, acceptability of where we allow people to shoot from. And also, Dan, where we allow people to miss from more so miss from than make. It used to be a time if you shot from that distance and you missed, you would get cut. You were out of the league. You know, what Curry has done is made shooting from that range and us accepting people missing from that range, you know, that that's where he's changed the perception of the game.

[Dan Patrick]

Patrick Ewing's joining us, top of the hour. Do you have a Patrick Ewing story?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Make sure when he. Make sure when you speak to him, call him Aloysius, like his middle name. Patrick is one of my favorite guys. He and I still, you know, talk today as one of my favorite people. We, our families are close. We, you know, I love Patrick and you know, I got, I got good stories about him, but they all very human stories, not basketball stories. So, you know, just on the, on the human side in terms of him just being one of the, the nicest and, and goodest people that I know. You know, he's, he's always been solid and love him to death.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you bring up something interesting. I was dealing with health issues for quite some time and really struggling and he has stayed in touch with me and just checking up on me. He'll just send me a random text and he'll just say how you doing? And he's, he's. We've. We formed, I hope it's called a friendship, but he is, I think, very under. Misunderstood. I think he's always been that way, starting at Georgetown, maybe even in high school. But he, he showed me that he is a fun, nice, wonderful, thought provoking person.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, he's one of my favorite people. So tell Aloysius I said hello.

[Dan Patrick]

Zeke, good to talk to you again. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate your insights.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, and didn't you used to have a Bob Knight little character up there?

[Dan Patrick]

That, it's. That's in my other studio. But I do have a large Bob Knight doll. People think that the doll that I had there was Bob Knight. It's Lou Holtz from when he was at Arkansas. Somebody sent me that. But people thought that was Bob Knight.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Oh, Coach Knight would be so upset being compared to Lou Hoax.

[Dan Patrick]

He would be upset being compared to anybody, I think.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Oh, he would be so upset.

[Dan Patrick]

One of these days we have to talk about him because he hated everybody at SportsCenter. And all of a sudden Jay Billis said, talk to Dan Patrick. He knows basketball. Coach Knight said, have him call me. I call him. I think I'm being punked. And we maintained a friendship until he died. So it was just, you know, complicated guy, as you well know.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Well, most geniuses are. And he truly was a genius about the sport and, and everything that we, we talk about in sport, defensively and, and now offensively, you mentioned Steph Curry, that Golden State offense with pass moving, cutting, playing off the ball, coming off screens. And, you know, all of that came out of his mind. And the defensive and offensive philosophies that are being implemented still today, all of that came from his head. And so the geniuses are always a little complicated, but that's why we love them.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Isaiah. We appreciate your time. Thank you, Isaiah Thomas. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the news? Huge news.

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

We created our own podcast called hey Jonas. Jonas.

[Dan Patrick]

We invented a podcast.

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

Well, we didn't invent it.

[Announcer]

We.

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

We just contributed to first people to do podcasts. Pretty. Yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts, but this one's extra special. So how did we, how do we actually come up with the name hey Jonas? Guys, I honestly don't Remember, I think

[Dan Patrick]

it was on a call about what we should call it and well, we

[Jonas Brothers (Joe, Kevin, Nick)]

were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes, I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing a bit for the podcast. People could call in and say hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that. Guys. Listen to hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

[Robert Smigel]

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week. My guests SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

[Dan Patrick]

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

[Robert Smigel]

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Debbie Brown]

The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior

[Announcer]

and that can lead me to see

[Debbie Brown]

sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness month, tune into the podcast Deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self discovery and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well being and the practices that help you find clarity, peace and self mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected, we're becoming more individualized. But we actually need people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you. To hear more. Listen to Deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan Patrick]

Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iheart Podcast presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leigh Ann.

[Debbie Brown]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

This is my best friend Janet and

[Isaiah Thomas]

we have been joined at the hip since high school.

[Dan Patrick]

Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hips wider.

[Dan Patrick]

This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey with all the snacks and drinks.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Sidebar why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? What?

[Dan Patrick]

I had a bogo.

[Debbie Brown]

Well, then you got it.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you want a white collar? Something here just hit. What are y' all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album?

[Debbie Brown]

Oh, I would.

[Dan Patrick]

You.

[Announcer]

I would.

[Dan Patrick]

I would buy. It cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are lucky I'm not a killer.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their

[Paulie]

lives that they can rely on.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Oh,

[Dan Patrick]

listen to soccer moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Patrick Ewing, the Hall of Famer and now the number one New York Knicks fan. Man, look at you walking around Madison Square Garden. You got your. Your hat on or whatever that hat and chapeau that you got on. It's like you. You. You own the building, Patrick.

[Announcer]

No, I. I don't know about owning the building, but I do feel like it's. It's one of my homes. You know, I've been. I've had 15 years. 15 great years here in New York as. As an athlete, you know, for also four more as a college. As a college athlete. So I spent a lot of time in the Garden.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you get to choose who you sit next to in the front row? Well, you know what?

[Announcer]

They've been putting me next to my. My good friend John Stark, but I might have to move. He's just too fired up. I'm like. I keep telling him, john, you're gonna get us attack. You keep trying to get onto the floor. Oh, my God. Calm down. No, but you know what? You know what, Dan? It's. It's great being around the guys, you know, the former guys, you know, former teammates. And, you know, we all feel like we are part of it because, you know, we have bled. Bled, you know, sweat and tears, a lot of the things that they're going through now. So, you know, we're just there to support them. And I think that Leon And Wes and Ms. Dona have done a great job of making us feel like we are part of it.

[Dan Patrick]

How do you explain what happened in game one at the Garden?

[Announcer]

I. Look, you know, it's never over until it's over. You know, a lot of people thought that the game was over, some people. And I might have been one of those people that turned the TV off if I was at home, but I thought that Jalen Brunson did an outstanding job of putting on his Superman cape and being able to score all those points for us. Then we locked down defensively. I thought that the coaching staff made some, you know, Landry came in and did an outstanding job on the defensive end for us. OG Made some big plays for us. Cat was able to do some things. You know, I just thought that the team as a whole did everything right at the right time to be able to come away with that win.

[Dan Patrick]

What's your most memorable moment in the Garden?

[Announcer]

You know what? I've been asked that a lot, and I really don't have one particular. You know, I guess if I were just going, you know, put it as one, you know, when we beat Indiana to finally make it to the. To the final, you know, we've been trying to get to the finals for a lot of years, and that was my first opportunity to be able to get there. And, you know, we struggled Game six, but we were able to get it done in game seven. You know, I thought that I showed my emotion, you know, my gratitude for the fans, for all the. That they had to endure and we had to endure. When I got up on that table with my arms stretched out, just trying to show them my appreciation.

[Dan Patrick]

When did you stop hating Reggie Miller?

[Announcer]

You know, dad, sometimes I wonder, you know, do I really still hate him? Do I like him. Him now? But no, I mean, you know, we. We as athletes, we go through some. Some ups and some downs, and we had some great. Some great time battling against those guys, the Pacers. And us, we. We were built, you know, a lot of. In the same way. Reggie was a master. You know, if they. If they. If they, you know, now they talk about flopping all the time. That guy used to flop all the time. But then he also, he, you know, just call him an actor. He's a great actor. I think he would have gotten an Academy Award for his acting. And he knew how to pull strings, and he, you know, he knew how to, you know, pull certain people's strings. He pulled John's string a few times, got John to headbutt him. But you know what? It's all water under the bridge now. I see him, I hug him. I show the respect that I have for his game. And also the things that he's doing now, he's his life after basketball. Well, after playing basketball, he's done an outstanding job of getting into his next career. So all you can do is just admire the work that he does.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Patrick Ewing, the Hall Of Famer, you faced Ralph Sampson. I try to remind people that Ralph, while he's not as good as when Benyama is now, but to be that skilled at that height and being on the outside, being able to shoot, being inside as well, playing both ends of the floor. Do you see similarities with Ralph Sampson and Victor Wembanyama?

[Announcer]

Definitely. You know, I, I've been talking to a lot of people about the same thing. You know, I see Ralph would have been a great player in this era. In our era, you know, people used to get mad at you if you were big and you, you don't get into the poll. We saw you, you start shooting too many jump shots and you know, that was Ralph's game. He, he was a skilled big. He was, you know, Victor's Heidi 7:4. He wanted to be a perimeter big, but in our era, people look down on that. But I thought that he would, this era would have embraced him and embraced his abilities and. Which is what they're doing with Victor. And Victor is a special young man. Every time I watch him play, I see how special that he is.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he's got these unique traits that, you know, you don't want your 7 foot 5 guy shooting a three pointer, but in today's game we kind of accept it. Like even with you at Georgetown, I never knew you could shoot that well. And then you get to the NBA and all of a sudden you're hitting 15, 18 footers. I'm like, why didn't coach Thompson unleash this in college?

[Announcer]

Well, you know, like I said, back in those era, they wanted us to be back to the basket dunking it. Even when I first got to New York, they. I remember talking to Dickie McGuire and he said the exact same thing. He's like, Patrick, I never knew you could shoot. And Dickie was, was, you know, the head scout for, for the Knicks for a lot of years. His numbers in the Raptors next to mine, I do have to say next to. He just said, you know, I really never thought that you could shoot. I thought all you could do was block shots and dunk. Well, I say, you know, Dick, you know, the big John was like, son, get your butt in the post. Work on the, you know, when you go to the NBA, then you can, then you can show them the rest of your game. But you know, I always could shoot. I could shoot in high school. You know, I developed an all a more all around game as, as I got older. But I thought that, you know, I, I showed that, that I had the ability to do these things and you know, what could I do it in this area? I didn't really shoot many threes or. I'm not sure if I'd be profession. That is, as a lot of these guys are, Wemby Yoke, you know, Yokage and mb, those guys, you know, you know, but if I, if I practice, practiced it, I probably would be just as proficient as they are.

[Dan Patrick]

I got you with 19 three pointers

[Announcer]

and that's too many. Back in my era, that was too many.

[Dan Patrick]

When, when would you put Joker in a top 10 player of all time? Is he close to being a top 10 player of all time?

[Announcer]

You know what Joker is? He's another one that's special. You know, his, you know, whatever he lacks in athleticism, he, you know, definitely makes up in all the other things that he does. He plays every night. He very rarely gets hurt. He can shoot, he can pass. He's more of a facilitator than most Bigs. We were all the ones that, you know, were getting, you know, we had to depend. We played a dependent position. He, he doesn't need to play a dependent position. He can bring it, bring it down. He can score, he rebounds. He does all the things that in this, this era that bigs need to do. And, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say he is the greatest player of. Greatest big of all time, because there was a lot of great bigs. Keem was a great big in my era, Kareem before that. So there's a, you know, Shaq. You got to talk about Shaq and all those guys. But, you know, he's definitely special. I would have loved to have tried to compete against him, to see, you know, you know, how I would fare against that talented young man. I had the opportunity to meet him this year when we played in Denver. I went up to him and told him that, you know, I love what he's doing, continue to do it, and he's a very special player.

[Dan Patrick]

What do you remember about facing Kareem at the end of his career?

[Announcer]

Hey, I'm gonna tell you a story. So we're, we're getting ready. And Rick Patino was our coach at this, at this time, and we are getting ready to face the Lakers. And I'm like, you know, Rick was like, no, we're not going to double Kareem. He's getting older. And I'm like, rick, he may be getting older, but he is still good. So Kareem got heated. He got hot and I don't care what I did. I could push him to the three point line. He still was rolling that skyhook. And I said, rick, what did I tell you? We need to double him. No, you know, Kareem Patrick, I'm looking at the video.

[Dan Patrick]

He hit 6, 6 consecutive sky hooks over you.

[Announcer]

Yes. He's. I mean, people, when they talk about greatest of all time, I mean, they never, you know, they very put him in there. And what he did was special. I mean, you know, he was 7:2. He had, he developed a shot that was virtually unstoppable. I remember when Pat Riley came to the Knicks, he tried to get me to, you know, develop a sky hook. Unlike Coach, that's just not my game. The captain was special. He developed that. That's his thing. I'm a jump shooter.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, you didn't want to even try to do the sky hook?

[Announcer]

I just didn't, I just didn't get the feel of the sky hook. I was more of a, of a, of a jump hook guy. You know, I use the jump hook as, you know, one of the pieces, the pieces to my, to my, to my game.

[Dan Patrick]

Do celebs come up to you at the Garden and want pictures?

[Announcer]

Yes, they do. And you know what? I'm like, like Lenny Kravitz was at the game the last game, and I'm like, man, I'm a huge Lenny Kravitz fan. I'm like, forget you asking me for the picture. I need to take a picture. You know, I gotta send this to all my kids. Cause, you know, it's funny, I was at a game last year and I brought my kids with me, and, you know, the Knicks asked me to take a picture with, with a group, one of the, one of the K Pop groups. So I didn't know who they were, so I took the picture of my kids. Like, dad, you know, that's probably the most famous person that you were ever taking a picture with. I'm like, what? Who? I think I'm like, I had, I had. I. I couldn't believe it.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, in their world, K Pop, yeah, those are big stars. They don't care about Lenny Kravitz, who's, you know, in his 60s, or even Tracy Morgan or Spike Lee.

[Announcer]

Oh, yeah, I know. They, they do, they do. They, they, they have more of a knowledge about all these things than I did, you know, than I do. My, I was so tunnel vision as a player. I was just locked in on trying to be the best I could be as a player. I Wouldn't. I didn't care who was in the stand, just as long as it was filled with all. And, you know, one thing I love before you go down, one thing I love about our fans, I don't care. I'm in Boston and I'm like, oh, my God. I never saw New York Knicks fans in Boston, maybe in LA or what happened in Philadelphia. I could not believe that. I'm like, we, we. We show up. We show up and we show out on these road games.

[Dan Patrick]

Did it ever bother you, the team? Spike Lee was a Knicks fan, but he was friends with Michael Jordan during doing those commercials.

[Announcer]

No, you know, I mean, Michael and I were friends. We got to meet each other in college before, you know, in high school, I should say, we developed a friendship. We stayed friends, still are friends today. But once we get on that floor, as you. As you saw, it wasn't just about the friendship. We were both trying to kick each other's butts. And he lets me know every time I. I see him or I talk to him that I was not able to beat him. He's the. You know, when people talk about Larry Bird talking trash, I think he's probably the biggest trash talker that I ever been around.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, did Larry talk trash to you?

[Announcer]

Did he ever. I mean, if I saw Larry today, he'd still probably talk trash. You know, I think that's how we got to be friends with the Dream Team. You know, he was talking so much trash. You know, he talked trash when we played against each other. But back then. So now we were around each other all the time. And he talks about how, you know, his team would always used to kick our butts, and I was more of a power forward than a center. And, you know, we just. We just got into all these, you know, joking things, and we call ourselves the Harry and Larry Show. But Larry was a great competitor, a great teammate, and I got the opportunity to become good friends with him during that. During that time.

[Dan Patrick]

But, you know that the Dream Team birthed all these great players from around the world. Like, if you look at the timeline, Patrick, I mean, I think you can. You can point right towards the Dream Team dominating everybody. Next thing you know, you got a player out of Africa, out of Germany, out of, you know, you know, Croatia. I mean, variety of places due to the Dream Team.

[Announcer]

Yeah, everywhere. I, I agree with you. Because every other country in the world, soccer was the number one sport. I used to want to play soccer when I was growing up in Jamaica. I wanted to be the next play, moved to America, fell in love with this game of basketball. And I thought that, you know, when David Stern decided to let the NBA players play in the Olympics, that that made basketball a global sport. It was loved all over the world. And I think that that was one of the smartest things that he did.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Announcer]

So everybody who used to play soccer at that time, football everywhere else except for here, that's when they fell in love with basketball. And you saw a huge boom in everyone wanting to play basketball after that Olympics.

[Dan Patrick]

Have fun tonight. Behave. Tell John Starks to keep it down a little bit so you don't get teed up there. And thank you again.

[Announcer]

Oh, it's my pleasure, my friend. And it's always great to be on your show. I still need to come up there and be in that. That man cave.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I'd like to bring you up here and school you a little bit, you know, maybe take you.

[Announcer]

Hey, look, you might be able to now. You might be able to now. I haven't really been shooting.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Thank you, Patrick.

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