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Free shipping, free road hazard protection, convenient installation options, and the best selection of Bridgestone tires. Go to tirerack.com dan see their Bridgestone test results, tire ratings and reviews and check out the special offers. It's tirerack.com the way tire buying should be. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It was a year ago where we talked about at this time, Wemby's blood clot and what it's going to mean moving forward for the Spurs. Here we are a year later and we're talking about the future of the sport. Actually, the future is now because he is the face of the sport. And the spurs beat the Thunder, they go to the NBA Finals, they will be favored to win it all. And they will be favored in game one at home by four and a half against the Knicks. As we always do, we tend to look at the team that got eliminated before. We look ahead to the finals matchup between these 2 with the OKC Thunder. It's easy to overreact sometimes. And sometimes you just have to say, hey, we got here last year and we won the title. Yes, we were taken to seven games a couple of times. You went to seven games here. You did lose at home. You battled injuries, you had depth, but you battled some injuries there going into the last couple of games there. You do have the Chet Holmgren issue, question mark. And keep this in mind because his contract, five years, $240 million contract, kicks off next season. Just over 41 million next season. Jaylen Williams banged up throughout the postseason. His five year, $240 million extension begins next season. I understand Chad Holmgren fascination with guys who are that big, talented, can handle the ball both ends of the floor. That's a rough Game seven. That would be a no show. And that would really concern me because you're going to be facing Victor Wyama for the next 10 years. If you stay in the west, you're going to be facing him. And it's almost as if when he dunked on you in game seven, that pretty much signaled the see you later chat because he was gone mia. Well, he wasn't even in action, but he was missing on the court. And that was really what was surprising here. That would be the one thing I would look at and go, okay, moving forward here, he's your guy, second in defensive player of the year. He's been an All Star. And I just didn't see any fight. You're at home, the crowd is on your side. Teammates are imploring you to be a little more aggressive when you don't get a shot off in the second half. Like, it's impossible. You feel like somebody that big, that tall, and you're not involved in anything. And his numbers were kind of pedestrian in the series. 10.7 rebounds, had one assist, one block per game. Okay, you're supposed to be an All Star. You're supposed to act like an All Star, like Jalen Williams. I understand he was not healthy, but Chad Holmgren's got to Be great or at least good. And if he was good, they win. But he was not. I mean, Wemby didn't have an incredible game. The team did. And that should be even scarier to OKC and everybody else, because you. If you shut down Wemby or you contain Wemby. I mean, Stefan Castle has been great both ends of the floor. And this is a team that's younger than you. That's another concerning aspect. Now, I know OKC has all these draft picks, draft capitals. We like to say, okay, what are you going to do with those? Are you going to do anything? Can you move Chad Holmgren? Do you want to move Chad Holmgren? I think, you know, in the moment, we love to react, overreact. And I would say it'd be an overreaction. I have to have Chad Holmgren learn how to be up to the moment, to rise to the moment, to want to be great. And I didn't see him want to be great. Wendy wants to be great. You saw how important this was. I mean, he's hugging people like he just got married. I mean, this was important to him. He took away his lunch money. Wemby took Chet's lunch money away. And that was really what was surprising. But give credit to okc, it's a balanced team. You got some players that you probably didn't realize were going to be contributors. Dylan Harper grew up right in front of us. You saw actually the maturity of him. Stefan Castle gets knocked to the floor, and he's getting ready to get up and maybe, you know, start a fight with Caruso. Harper goes down and almost like an MMA move holds him to say, no, no, don't do anything stupid. Darren Fox rewarded after years in Sacramento, like, they have a fun team here. It's a good team, and I know people are going to get caught up in, well, who would the Knicks rather play? What doesn't matter. This is who's in front of you. But I think it'll be a wonderful series. And I can't help but go back. I have a shoe in front, and it's Tim Duncan, one of his shoes that he wore when he won the title in New York. He signed one of his shoes when he came in to do an interview after they won the title. And I've kept that shoe there, but that's from 1999, when Tim Duncan's 22 years of age, which is what Wemby is right now. It happens fast, and it's all about winning now. OKC is built for the future. San Antonio is built right now and you got these draft picks in okc. Do you use them? Is Giannis the answer? Because Sam Amick, great writer for the Athletic, said that OKC was not involved in the Giannis sweepstakes, but maybe they are now. Nothing should be off the table when the end goal wasn't reached. Also, maybe there's a chance the Thunder would reach out for Evan Mobley of the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Cavaliers GM Kobe Altman said Mobley isn't going anywhere. There's going to be some teams trying to figure this out of what do we do with Wemby, what do we do with the Spurs? Because you got a 20 year old, a 21 year old, a 22 year old. Those are the stars for the San Antonio Spurs. And I know we love to say, well, you know what? They're going to be overwhelmed with the moment. Okc defending champs, home court advantage. And I thought they don't know that, like from experience. I've seen it where you kind of had to lose on a big stage and then you learn from it and then you come back the next year. San Antonio skipped that chapter. Like they're like, why can't we win in okc? That's where you cut the line. You know, there's if you've ever seen like movies or of, you know, documentaries where there's people waiting outside the Club Studio 54 to get in. I was always on the outside and I couldn't get in. I couldn't get anybody's attention. I was sort of, you know, the Orlando Magic, you know, I was like, there but I couldn't get in. They cut the line. That's where they go. Right this way, San Antonio spurs right there to the NBA Finals poll question. We'll have that for you coming up. Also Tyler sitting by. You'll take your phone calls. 877-3-DP Show Email Address DP danpatrick.com Twitter Handle DP Show Here's Shay Gilous Alexander who did play well in game seven on his thoughts on this season.
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It was a failure. Like I failed at my goal. Like I didn't achieve what I wanted to achieve. But through my experiences I learned the most about myself and I make the greatest amount of increases I have in my career when I fail at my goal and don't get what I want. And I look at this no different.
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I understand what he's saying. You're the defending champs home court advantage. Yes. This is a disappointing season. He was great. MVP again. He played well in game seven, I thought, I thought the spurs did a wonderful job sending different bodies. And sometimes it's not the same size that you send at a guy, you know, Castle, Dylan Harper, different sizes, that's what you want. You know, somebody can be quicker, somebody can jump higher, somebody can be a bigger body. That's what you want to do. You're sending different bodies. And that's what they do with great players. And they did that with SGA. In the games that San Antonio won, he didn't play that well, but he played well in Game 7. But he knows bottom line is winning a championship and rightfully so. I understand. Like if San Antonio didn't win, I don't know if I'd say it's a disappointing season. OKC is defending champs home court advantage. Yes. You didn't even make it to the finals. Dylan, what's poll question for the first hour phone calls. We'll get to those best and worst of the weekend. What do you have? Well, going off that we can ask the people. Was the Thunder season a failure? Yes, SGA is right or no. They got do game seven of the Western Conference finals. Okay. Yeah, I would say it's a disappointment. Here is Shea Gilgis on just how well the spurs played. Shea, you guys had some, some opportunities to kind of take control of this one. What did you see as kind of the differences and not being able to kind of get over the hump and wrestle control completely away.
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Yeah, they were just a better team tonight, start to finish. And then every time we try to like cut into it and take control of the game, it felt like they had an answer. And if a lot of times it felt like it was like tough shot making. So hats off to them. Yeah, they just, they played better tonight and they deserve to win again.
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Yeah, taking ownership of it, it's not on him, but as a leader, he'll take it. And the Game 7 loss to San Antonio. The NBA has now gone eight consecutive seasons without a repeat champion. This is what you want. If you're the NBA, you want more blood, new blood in there and you got it. I get the international part of this with Wemby. You get New York City, you get a team in San Antonio might be viewed as an underdog even though they're the favorites. The Knicks with the crowd with the Garden. This is what you want. You want to have these matchups and you got it. So the NBA, this is like the Dodgers, Yankees last year. Like this is what you want. You just hope that it lives up to that billing. Yes. Dylan. The Knicks actually have the opportunity to make a special kind of history, Dan. They could be the first team in NBA history to win the NBA cup and the NBA Finals in the same season. Yeah. Michael Jordan never did that. No, he did not. No, he didn't. Yes, Paul. And we were here for that, Dan, I'm glad you stuck around for that. Yeah, I wasn't going to retire in some till somebody did that. Yes. Paul, going back to SGA saying the season was a failure. He said it and he volunteered it.
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It's like, it's okay. He volunteered it.
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Was it three years ago, 20, 23, Giannis was asked, was this season a failure? And it's different if you're asked it than if you volunteer it and take control of it. How so? Well, like, it's okay for SGA to say it, to volunteer it because he believes it, but when a journalist says
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it to Giannis, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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That's for us to judge.
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No. So, yeah. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Who are you talking hairdo to say, was it a disappointment? Yeah, you're right about that. But I do think the Giannis sweepstakes. Does Golden State get involved in this? I guess you got to say, do the Lakers get involved in this? But what's it going to take to if. I mean, Milwaukee needs. Needs to move on. The question is, what would it take to get Giannis? And what is Giannis now 34? Like, he's a little bit older than what people think might be 34, but to be able to get him for a couple of years. And I think OKC has to look at this and say, do we want this? How does it work? A lot of times when you go, oh, they should go get that guy. Oh, Giannis is 31. They should go get that guy. Well, you got to have him fit. How does he figure into the lineup with a ball dominant guard? Because that's another thing. And if you're going to go get him, how does that change, you know, people's roles? And is Chad Holgren there for the long haul or Jaylen Williams? Now they're. They're moving into big money. All right, we'll take a break. Phone calls. Coming up, best and worst of the weekend. Settle on our poll question. We'll talk to Sean Elliott. What was it, the Memorial Day miracle? The anniversary was yesterday, I think, for Sean, when he hit the big shot and sent them to the NBA Finals. Is that right, Marvin?
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It is one of the harder shots. You'll ever see because Rasheed Wallace.
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All seven six wingspan of him.
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Stretched out and he hit that shot. Unbelievable.
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All right, so Sean Elliott will join us in an hour from now. Albert Brear, the Monday morning quarterback. As we get ready, one of the worst kept secrets is AJ Brown getting traded from the Eagles. Is there a third team involved in this? Is it the Patriots and dot dot dot. And if you know what they're asking for, does somebody swoop in and say, we'll give you something even better than what the Patriots will be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am PAC topic on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe, Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Stu Gotz and company Live, Cavino and Rich, the Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Ma Show. Fox sports radio on YouTube. Subscribe. Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.
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Yeah, I mean, completely different players. To be honest with You, Dan. You know, the first time I saw Timmy play, I mean, I saw Timmy in person before he came over to the house and whooped up on me on some video games. I said, what? This kid, he's got some talent. I mean, he's one of those kids. You show him how to do something, you've been doing it for a long time, he does it better than you in about 10 minutes. And that's how he struck me as a. As a person first, as a. As a basketball player. Just in practice, I thought he was extremely polished, really fundamentally sound, but it wasn't like, you know, he was super athletic or you could see the kind of shot blocking ability that he would develop later on. And he still had a long ways to go with his game, but he was pretty much there with Victor. At 22 years old, he's still getting there. I still think he hasn't really begun to reach his true potential. I don't think he's even close, actually, Dan, I feel like he's going to fill out a lot more. He's going to continue to figure out the game a lot more. He's going to continue to work on his game because that's kind of person he is, and that's the kind of basketball player he wants to be. You saw what he did with the monks last summer. He worked with Kevin Garnett, he worked with Jamal Crawford, he worked with Akeem Olajuwon. You know, he. He wants to be great. And so I just. I believe this is just the beginning for him.
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Okay. When he's with the Tibetan monks, what. What is he trying to learn from them?
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Yeah, you have to ask him that. I mean, I. I think it would be more, you know, being in a meditative state, getting your mind and body connected, being able to block out the noise and relieve stress, because, you know, he. For all the weight that he's carrying right now, it's absolutely unbelievable, the attention that he gets. You should have seen the games in France last year. He's the prince of France, literally. I mean, people flock to him, they love him. And he's carrying the burden and the weight of maybe an entire nation on his shoulders. And that's a lot to ask for somebody who's so young. And so, you know, you. He probably goes up in the mountains to meditate a little bit. I know he did some hard work. He was out there like Pai May and Kill Bill, you know, walking up mountains, dribbling the basketball. And so, you know, he's. He's Working on his whole mind, body connection and probably, probably just being really centered.
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Do you remember somebody who wanted to be the best at this age? Like he wants to be the best player in the game.
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Right, Right. At this age. You know, Dan, the only one that really, you know, stands out to me that has that kind of drive that, you know, that I saw at that young of age personally, Kobe Bryant, that. That's the guy, you know, he's got that kind of, you know, instinct, killer instinct, and that kind of drive and determination where, you know, you hear stories about Kobe, where he's always constantly in the gym instead of going out and, and doing things with other people, where he, you know, sacrificed his social life and everything that went with that to be great. And that when I see Victor and I see his habits, that's what it reminds me of.
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The matchup with the Knicks. How do the spurs match up?
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Well, you know, I've. I was looking at the. The games earlier, the boxes of the games earlier this morning, and, you know, I've called two of those games. I didn't get to call the cup game, but I watched it. And the Knicks have always been a tough matchup for us. They have been over the last three years. They've been a tough matchup for us ever since Jalen Brunson got there. And, you know, they have a team that I thought this year just does a great job spreading the wealth. You know, they play the way we play, where you get everybody involved on the offensive end of the floor. It's not one man dominated. So they have a lot of guys that can score the ball. I thought they made a great trade in getting Jose Alvarado. I thought that was big time. When I saw that happen, I said, okay, that's the type of guy, I've always admired him from afar. He was a pest for us when he was in New Orleans, but he brings so much energy off the bench. And they have physical guys like Anunobi who's going to get in you and get after you. Mitchell Robinson is a tough, physical player. You know, obviously, Carl Anthony Towns, we remember he gave us 60 in the frost bank center when he was the Minnesota Timberwolf. So, you know, at one point he could have. You could have argued that he was the best offensive big man in the game. And so with Bridges and the way Josh Hart brings the energy, that's a. That's a loaded ball club that's playing very good basketball. And this year, if you look at our games, Dan, they beat us in the Cup. We had to come back from about 20 here at home to beat them by two points. And then they. They beat us pretty soundly in Madison Square Garden in early March. And so this is going to be a really tough matchup for us.
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Do you put Stefan Castle on Jalen Brunson?
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I would. I would. And I think he learned. He continues to learn a lot of lessons, and he's taken on that challenge all year long. It's not like all sudden he got to the Western Conference finals and we're going to put him on SGA and see what happens. That's not. That's not Steph Castle. He's been accepting the role of guarding the. One of the. The toughest or if not the toughest or the best offensive wing player all season long. That's just who he is. He's not afraid of that challenge. He kind of relishes it, and he steps up. And so he did a great job with sga. As good a job as you could possibly do with that guy. Right. And so he's done it all year long against the greats in the game. And so he continues to learn. He's got to be patient with Brunson because Brunson, we know, is incredibly crafty and clever and knows how to be pretty much any type of defense you throw at him.
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Talking to Sean Elliott, the Spurs TV analyst, won a title back in 1999 when the spurs beat the Knicks. I don't know if I ever ask you this. How do you repay your brother for giving. For giving you a kidney?
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You can't. There's nothing you could do. I mean, there's nothing that I can give him that will repay him. That is a. You know, but, you know, he's family and that. And that's what family does. You know, he. He doesn't expect any kind of, you know, any kind of for me to reciprocate in any way. You know, it's just what family does for each other. And so my brother's doing extremely, extremely well. He's like the poster child for kidney donation. Had three kids after they've all gone to college on scholarships, athletic scholarships. He's doing extremely well. And so, you know, there's. There's no way you can repay him. You just tell him thank you.
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And.
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And he's. He's very content with that.
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Okay. But like, you go to dinner, are you going to pick up the tab or he needs a ride.
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Yes, of course.
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Always.
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His money's no good around me. You know that.
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Yeah. I was always. I don't think I ever asked you that, but. And how are you feeling, by the way?
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I'm doing great, man. I mean, I had a, you know, celebrated a lot this weekend, and so I'm, you know, getting back to normal. You go. I got my big cup of Joe right here to get me, you know, get me going this morning. And, you know, hey, I'm doing great, Dan. I try to take care of myself. Eat right. I'm trying to stay here, buddy.
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Okay. If I said you could put David Robinson up against Wemby or Duncan up against Wemby,
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well, that's a hard one, I gotta tell you, because Dave has the athleticism. Timmy is just one of those guys that has. Timmy had great hands, great defensive instincts. They both did. I mean, Tim Duncan should have won several Defensive Player of the Year awards. David won Defensive Player of the Year. So I'm gonna say that's a tough one, because I love both these guys. I might err on the side of going big Dave, because he's just, you know, really, you know, Dave was built like Mr. Olympia, you know, and he could look at, you know, kind of like that Mitchell Robinson kind of mold, where you're big and strong and athletic and probably faced more bigs back in the day. Dan, if I can swing toward Dave. Because when Timmy came in the league, he was playing more power forward. He guarded Biggs. Yes, he did. But Dave got. He got them all. He got Shaq, he got Patrick, he got Keem. You know, he got all the big guys. Mark Eaton, who's 7 5, I mean, he. He got all the big dudes.
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But could you imagine Greg Popovich if David Robinson wanted to shoot where Wemby is shooting?
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Oh, he'd have his ass on the bench with some sailor. Not sailor language. Air for, you know, you know, drill sergeant language. I mean, Pop, you know, thing is, it wouldn't be just Pop. I mean, it would have been Avery Johnson. Avery Johnson would have been in Big Dave if he was out there shooting three balls. I mean, what we're seeing from him is just unnatural. It really is. But I don't think that's even the strong suit of his game.
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But when did this change where we allowed seven footers to shoot like they were shooting guards?
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I think it was a guy like Dirk who really started to get guys to try to stretch the floor a little bit more. Big guys to try to stretch the floor. Now we had guys back in the day, Bill Ambir could shoot it. I always refer to Jack Sigma on our telecast. And the way he could shoot the ball from the outside, Sabonis could as well. But Dirk really took that to a different level with his ability to go outside and drag big guys away from the basket. And then everybody wanted to be Dirk. And that's what I would say in the telecast. You know, every big guy steps in the league wants to be Dirk Davitzky, but not everybody's Dirk Davitzky. And so you have a lot of guys out there shooting a lot of three balls, and they're really negating their height advantage because they're all out. Everybody's the same size outside the three point line. Doesn't matter if you're 6, 4, 7 foot 5. You all become guards out there. And so some guys can do it, some guys can't, and some guys shouldn't even try.
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I know that SGA caught a lot of grief because people watched him kind of foul baiting, but let, let's be fair to him. Did. Was Jordan guilty of doing this where Kobe and nobody did this?
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No, I never, I. No, I never saw Michael Jordan, you know, try to foul bait. That wasn't. That wasn't a thought process back then. I never saw Kobe try to foul bait. Never. That was not a thought process. I think we. We got in the early 2000s there. I mean, we had guys that would flop from time to time in the league. I mean, that's. That's obvious. But I think the early 2000s, we started to see more of it and then it just absolutely got out of control where you had guys who manipulated the rules and, and they were smart to do that, and they made careers off of that. And I think a lot of young players saw that coming up and they saw that they could make a living getting to the foul line and with. With sga. You know, my thing is, dad, I just. That shouldn't be his legacy at the end of his career, right? Yeah. I mean, the guys before all this, I mean, going back to when I saw him right after the pandemic and they came to San Antonio several times, I was like, we had no answer for this guy. He was absolutely unbelievable. And I didn't see him hit the floor or lay on the floor one single time. And. And if he gets back to that and continues to play the way he played in Game 7, people are going to forget about all this valve baiting.
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You had the anniversary, the Memorial Day miracle yesterday. You hit the shot over Rasheed Wallace. I get such a wild sequence there. Sean. What do you remember from it?
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Well, I've told the story many times, Dan, that, you know, it was just one of those days where the ball was just flying out of my hands. I didn't have to think about my shot at all. If I got a good look at the basket, I felt like it was going in. Had a really great warm up before that game where I shoot my typical 25 threes around at five spots and missed one. And it was just. It's just one of those days. And when I caught the ball, I've spoken about it many times. When I turn, I never saw Rasheed. Never saw Rasheed Wallace. If I saw Rasheed Wallace coming at me, no way I make that shot, right? It's like, like I told the story a couple weeks ago. I played golf with Lee Trevino one time, and he got up on the tee box. He said, all you amateurs, you guys see the sand and you see the water. He said, the pros, we just see the fairway, right? And that's all I saw. When I turned, all I saw was the basket. I didn't see anything else.
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But you also had the presence to the ball, got tipped, you caught it, you look down so you know where you are on the floor.
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Yeah, I think, you know, in that moment, I was looking more at the three point line to make sure I was behind it. And you know the shot when your heels are up, I mean, that's how you finish a shot anyways. No one shoots a ball. No shooter shoots the ball with their heels on the floor. And so for me, I felt like it was a natural shooting motion. When I look at it and people ask me, what was I thinking? I wasn't. There's no time to think in that situation. There really isn't. There isn't time to assess the whole situation. You just turn. I saw the basket and the shot was there.
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Great to catch up with you again. Hopefully we didn't hold up a golf game this week like we could have last week.
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No, no, it's. It's no tee time this morning. Can you believe that? I mean, there's. My golf buddies say I got Dan Patrick at, you know, 9, 20.
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What.
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What time is our tee time? They're like, we didn't make a tee time today. I said, oh, hell, okay. It's probably for the best.
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How's Tim Duncan doing? I see him and he, he just looks like he's chilled.
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Tim Duncan, that dude is so chill. Let me tell you. He, he's. He's still the same Timmy Duncan, he. He doesn't care about anything else. He just. He's so comfortable in his own skin, Dan. I mean, I, you know, he'll text me during the games, you know, and I. I like to take shots at him. And our deal is, if I take a shot at you, you can take a shot at me. You can text me. And I have to read it on the air, right? As long as. As long as it's not too vulgar. So I give him crap about his age. I mean, all the time. He tells me, he's like, how. How in the hell do you get away with that? You're older than I am. People think I'm older than you, you know, so I. I give him crap all the time. But this guy, I mean, sometimes I'll. I'll call him. I don't hear anything back. Well, he's riding motorcycles through South America or. I'm not kidding. I mean, he's enjoying the hell out of his life, and he deserves it.
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But, you know, when he was there as a rookie, I came down to San Antonio, and I remember you guys gave him all of the equipment, like you were hazing him. He had to carry laundry and basketballs, and it was pretty cool to see that you guys were roughing up your number one draft pick.
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Well, that's what makes him so special, right? Because he wasn't a diva. He could have told us all to go to hell, and we would have done exactly that, and so, you know, we wouldn't have any choice. And he just. He just took it like. Like he was a regular teammate, and that's why he is who he is.
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And he told me a story that he was at the All Star game, and he was riding on the elevator with Kevin Garnett, and he said, garnett is yelling in his face, just yelling at him. And Tim didn't say a word. He just got off the elevator. And this was Garnett trying to intimidate him.
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Well, I saw that firsthand on the court. I was two feet away from, you know, Garnett yelling in Timmy's ear. And Timmy had absolutely no reaction at all. And that's just who he was. I don't think I ever saw. Not. I don't think I never saw Timmy talk trash on the court. I never saw him go back at anybody or jaw at anybody. He just let his game do the talking. I mean, most mild mannered, calm guy until, you know, you get between the lines and the lights are on. Like we say, the popcorn's popping. And then he turned into an assassin. But. And that's the definition of an assassin, right? You don't announce that you're there. You're just there to kill. And that's what he did.
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Thanks again. Have fun in the finals. We appreciate it, Sean.
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Yeah, anytime, Dan.
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Well, I think it's it's all related to the Eagles cap situation and you know it. I don't want to bore anybody with the details of how this works, but essentially what doing it now versus doing it at any point over the last three months will mean functionally for the Eagles is pushing $27 million off their salary cap this year into next year. And that's something they needed to do because they've, I mean really run out of contracts to restructure. To their credit, they've been very win now the last few years and that's meant Jeffrey Lurie their owners spending a lot of money cash over cap. Not all owners are willing to do that. It's a part of why they've been as good as they've been the last few years from a roster standpoint. But it does create complications and in this case it created a complication where it was much easier for them to deal AJ Brown after June 1st than before June 1st. Now like that complication isn't ideal for the team. But you know, I do think like any good gm, Howie Roseman's taken advantage of it and that it just allows for you to continue to Survey the market. And you know what that's basically meant for them, Dan, is. Yeah, like, this has looked like it's going to be the Patriots, really, since the end of March, but maybe somebody has something materially changed their receiver situation. They get to your OTAs and it's not what they thought it was. There's a legal situation like Rashi Rice in Kansas City. There's an injury somewhere. So there's always that chance that something better comes along for a guy who's been a great, great player for them, you know. But at this point, they've got the framework of a deal in place with the Patriots. The details still need to be hammered out, but I'd expect that it gets done relatively soon.
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Okay, but if I'm the Chiefs or the Rams. Yep. I'm curious what the framework here is and can we exceed what the Patriots might be offering?
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So I think those are two good examples. Right. So I'll take you through both of them. So with the Chiefs, I would say they have a quarterback and Patrick Mahomes making a ton of money. They're top heavy on their cap. And so it's for a long time been the big three for them, Chris Jones and Travis Kelce being the other two. But now they've got a bunch of other guys who are extended as well. Right. So, like that's Nick Bolton at linebacker, George Carloftis at defensive end. It's Creed Humphrey at center. It's, you know, it's Trey Smith, you know, at guard. You know, they just paid Kenneth Walker to come over and play running back for them. So they've paid a lot of guys. They're top heavy on their cap. It's a good problem to have because they're a very good team. But what that means is you need draft picks to fill out the rest of your roster. Right. So, you know, when you're looking for the second guard or the defensive end on the other side of Carl Loftus or your next corner, it's best to have those guys under cost control. And you use draft picks to get cost control talent. So I think that's why the Chiefs have been, you know, a little bit, you know, more conservative with their draft picks over the last few years and, and why they made the trade, you know, sending Tyree Kill to Miami, sending Trent McDuffie to L. A and they've been able to refresh their roster that way. The Rams are interesting because they did go down the road on a trade with A.J. brown, and, you know, that happened back in March And I would say, like, that one fell apart because it would have been contingent on corresponding trade with devonte Adams. They couldn't quite thread that needle. There was some concern with Brown's knee, but they're going forward with Devonte Adams and Pukinakua now, you know, presumably eventually on a new deal. And I think that they have moved on from Brown, but that does not mean the Rams don't have a very big swing left in them. It's just that one didn't quite work out.
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Wait, the Eagles were going to trade devonte Smith as well?
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No, no, no.
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Devonte Adams.
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Okay.
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Yeah, the Rams. If the rams had gotten A.J. brown, there would have been a corresponding move to move Devon, because, I mean, I think at that point, it's not that they don't love devonte Adams, the Rams do. It's just Adams and Brown play the same position, the same receiver spot, the X position. And like, having two older guys with some injury history together could be a little problematic, which is, you know, why, you know, if they had gotten Brown, if the Rams had landed Brown back in March, it would have meant devonte Adams going somewhere else.
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Okay, does it behoove the Eagles to trade A.J. brown today? Or as you said, somebody, you know, Rasheed Rice situation, somebody gets injured, like, it. It feels like June 1st, it was happening.
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I know what you're saying. They've waited on this for three months, you know, and. And I think, like, there is a human element to this, too, where A.J. brown, I think, has been a relatively good soldier through this whole thing, knowing he's probably not going to be on the team. And contrary to public belief, he's very well liked in that locker room. He's more popular than Jalen hurts in that.
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But why wasn't he happy?
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I think what I would say on that is this guy is an ultra competitive guy, right? And I think too often we make the mistake of assuming a guy can be competitive about his team's performance and not. Not as competitive about his individual performance, if that makes sense. And, you know, I think all these guys think about their legacy, their place in the game and all of that. And I think for A.J. brown, like, he felt like he was being held back individually with the way that Jalen hurts, plays with the way the offense is built around Jalen hurts. And I. You know, it's really interesting, Dan, because I thought watching him last year, like, maybe he lost a little bit of a step. And when you talk to enough people who have evaluated him, you know, people in the league who've had to compete against him. There's like a little bit of a split. Like some people think he has lost a step and then other people think he looked a little disinterested last year, like the frustration had boiled over. And so look, I, I, again, I still, he's still beloved in that building, you know what I mean? Like, and a guy who, he was only there for four years, he's top 15 in catches, receiving yards, touchdown catches, all time for them, went to two Super Bowls with them, won a Super bowl with them. So, you know, I, I think, you know, you want this to be as clean as it possibly can be if you're the Eagles, because the guy's done a lot of good for you. But, you know, based on where he is with the quarterback, I think it's just sort of time.
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Albert Brear, the Monday morning quarterback, I said all year long, even the previous year, like, there's something that goes on with Jalen Hurts. Like, I didn't, like there was an undercurrent there and I just didn't understand it. Now, I'm not saying he's a great regular season quarterback. I think he's a big time, big game quarterback. He's shown that. But I don't know why there was, I don't know, frustration, discontent, different off. I mean, he's had a different offensive coordinator pretty much every year in the last, even go back to college.
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Yeah. The joke about being the Eagles offensive coordinator is you either get go to the super bowl or you're fired, which is actually the truth, you know, over the last, over the last four years.
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But I just, I'm, I'm just. There was success. I didn't know if there was jealousy. Like, what, what is it that, is there a central point there with. And is it just A.J. brown who's frustrated with Jalen Hurts?
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You know, I think it's again, like, I think it just sort of can relate back to individual performance. And I, I do think, you know, like, let's say, you know, you're the guy who is number two in the route or number three in the route. You've gotten open three plays in a row and the quarterback didn't see you and you got your hand in the air and you're one of the best receivers in football. And it's like, why isn't the ball coming my way? I think it's stuff like that, you know. Wait, was this structurally, offensively, are they doing. What's that?
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Was he purposely ignoring A.J. brown?
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I don't think so. I don't know. I mean, I can't climb in. Jalen hurts his head. But I know that there was the perception that that's where the disconnect was. And, and, and, and again, Dan, like, these guys only have 8, 10, 12 years to play football at the highest level, right? And so I think a lot of them, many more than are willing to admit, do think about, am I gonna, Is my name gonna be up in the ring of honor? Am I going to be wearing a gold jacket at the end of this? How am I going to be. Remember my peers for, you know, A.J. brown? It might be like, how am I going to be remembered against, like, the guys who preceded me, like a Julio Jones or an A.J. green or a Calvin Johnson? Am I in that category? You know, and everybody's so focused on numbers in this day and age that, you know, it's like, okay, like, well, like, let's line them up, one versus the other. And if you look at it right, he had, I think 1400 yards are right around there in each of his first two years in Philly, and he was down closer to a thousand the last two. And I think that sort of illustrates what the frustration is.
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Yeah. Well, the Eagles don't complete passes their bottom five last year, which is crazy.
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But part of that Saquon, too, right, Is like, you have Saquon Barkley. You wouldn't. If you, if you got a Maserati in the, in the garage, you're going to take it out for a spin.
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Yeah, but I got, I got Porsches. You know, two is my wide receivers here. I got a good tight end and two good wide receivers. So, you know, whatever I get in the garage is going to go pretty fast. And there's a lot of wide receivers out there unsigned.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Do you see, like, when, when does movement start with those players?
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So you're talking about like, your. Give me some names.
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The, like Debo Samuel.
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Okay. Yeah. So I would say with most of these, right? And I put like, your, you know, you're Jadevian Clowney or Joey Bosa. Like, it's, I think what's, what we've seen evolve over the last, like, 10 years or so is more often you have these guys that are out there on the market, like, now Tyree Kills coming back from a really catastrophic injury. Right. So, like, you got to see where he is physically. You know, Debo's a year older. You know, I, I, you know, I think you could probably put DeAndre Hopkins in this category, too. I think, you know, like, the way that a lot of these guys look at it that are older and out there on the market is there's going to be better opportunity for me in July than there is in April and May. And essentially for them, you know, they'll look at it and say, well, all these teams want to look at their young players now. You know what I mean? Like, you want to look at the guy who. And they get them back in April, they get them on the field in May for the first time. They're in competitive drills right around now for the first time. First time. And so, you know, say it's a third round pick from two years ago and he hasn't quite lived up to expectations, but you know, he was out in California working out, now he's back. That team's going to want to see that player, right? And maybe that team makes a decision at the end of June. You know what? We just don't have enough at this position. Like, that's where the opportunity starts to arise.
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D
OBJ with the Giants. A second look at him and I
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mean, like, sometimes people like, but I think even like with him, I do people realize how old he is. Like, this is me, his 13th year. He was in the same draft class as Johnny Manziel and like he's the same age as Mike Evans, you know, and we look at Mike Evans as such an older player. I mean, I, I, you know, I, I think it's great that, like that Odell Beckham wants to keep playing football. I love that, that he's got that passion for the game that he wants to get back in and he really is going through the process that any other player on the fringes of the league would go through to make it back in. I just think we have to have our expectations under control with some of these guys and what they are now versus what they used to be. And they're, they're, there are guys across the board like that. Like Taylor Decker is another one right, like left tackle for the Lions was a centerpiece for them over the last decade, was a really important piece to build for Dan Campbell and those guys. He's not what he was before, you know, so, you know, I'd say it's a combination of sometimes our, you know, the name doesn't quite match what the game is right now. So that's a piece of it. But I think another piece of it is during May and June, teams really want to spend a lot of time looking at the younger players in the roster. See how they've come along, you know, and then I think, you know, most of these guys look at it as someone's going to be more desperate in July or August than they are right now to fill my position.
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D
Before I let you go, this Vikings quarterbacking situation when, yeah, it's weird, Tyler Murray says all the right things and then JJ McCarthy says, well, it's just like we're other side of the classroom. It's kind of like high school. Nothing about, hey, I can learn from him. He's had a roller coaster ride in his career. And I don't, I don't know if this has a mushroom cloud at the end of it of. Or is, you know, Kevin o' Connell going to be tamping this down during the season.
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I mean, I think it's, it's interesting because I, I don't know that the, the Vikings quarterback situation doesn't line up with the timeline of the rest of the roster. Right, the rest of the roster. And you can go down the list of names, tons of guys either in the prime or the back end of the prime of their careers. Right. So you know, guys like Byron Murphy and Andrew Van Kinkel and obviously offensively you've got Justin Jefferson. Jordan Addison is close to the end of his deal. TJ Hawkins is now an older player. Christian Daras saw left tackle. Like they're invested in a ton of guys that are win now players. And so like, I think it's interesting when you bring up like the discord there because last year the intention was to put competition in the room for J.J. mcCarthy and Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold found better opportunity elsewhere to become the long term starter. Like DJ knew if he went to Indy, there's a better chance he was going to be the long term guy there. The same way Sam Darnold knew that if he went to Seattle, there's going to be a better opportunity to be a longtime G guy there. So then they pivot and they decide, all right, like we're going to go all in on J.J. he gets all the reps, the team, his teammates are going to know he's the quarterback and let's see where this goes. And it went where it went. And so now they've created a competitive situation for him in the room again. And like, the interesting thing about it is that roster needs to win now. So no one's on scholarship anymore. His draft status doesn't matter. And it's whoever is the best player for us to win right now is who Kevin o' Connell is going to pick for that's going to be Kevin OConnell's mindset in picking his quarterback now. So it's different than it was last year. They're not worried about the first round investment in the player anymore. In fact, the GM who drafted J.J. mcCarthy 10th overall is now gone and there's a new GM coming in. And so it's a really interesting situation because I think most of us would have looked last year at Minnesota and said that could be a 12 or 13 win team.
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Yeah.
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And like, I don't think very many people are looking at them that way anymore. And what's changed? Well, you know, the quarterback position has changed.
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D
Always great to talk to you. I know you have a busy day today. Thank you, Albert.
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E
All right. Thanks, dp.
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