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Dan Patrick
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. We bring In Vincent Goodwill Jr. III, NBA senior writer for the mothership. He'll be working the draft tonight alongside Vanessa Richardson, Iman Shumpert, Brian Windhorst and some draft picks who will join them. They'll be on the ESPN social platforms and the ESPN app. If I talked to you yesterday, what was your guess going to be about Giannis Miami?
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Vincent Goodwill
I think it always gets wonky, Dan, leading up to like the Last second. You ever noticed during the drafts every year it's Team X has settled on number one pick, and then in an hour before, there's always this mad dash of maybe we're going to trade down or maybe you're going to trade for someone else. And then when it all clears up, usually your first answer is usually the right answer. And it felt like Miami Dan, needed Giannis more than any other team. The Celtics got their own issues now because they let Jaylen Brown dangle out there. But Miami is always star hunting. Pat Riley is always looking for the next white whale, and Giannis has been the object of his affection for the past few years. I'm surprised he hadn't gotten them sooner, to be perfectly honest.
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Dan Patrick
Well, he tried. He's tried for the last few years to get Giannis there. But let's grade the trade as we always do. Let's start with Milwaukee with what they got for Giannis.
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Vincent Goodwill
You got draft capital and you got Tyler Hero. Like when you think about superstar trades over the last few years, you usually don't get the Herschel Walker sort of hog. And they got the hog right. Maybe that's where the Celtics come in. And you, you bleed everything from the Celtics to make sure that the Heat give you every single thing from Khalil Ware to. To Hero to Hame Hakez, who finished very high in the six man plus 13, plus two future unprotected first round picks. You got about as much as you could get for a player in Giannis who, let's be honest, only played less than half the season this year and played around 65 games the last four or five seasons prior to this year. So I felt like they got as much as they could have for a franchise player who was going to leave.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, so you now look at the East. Let's handicap this. You got the Celtics in the Knicks who were going to be in the mix. I. We don't. Well, let me, let me touch on Jaylen Brown here. If you're Jalen Brown's agent, are you proactive to say, can we stop doing this to my client? How about we decide to part ways?
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, I think you kind of have to. It's trending that way. When think about like this, Dan, Eastern Conference Finals MVP, NBA Finals MVP, top 5, top 6, top 7 MVP candidate this year, kept that Celtics team afloat, got him to the second seed while Jason Tatum was recovering. And this is what happens on the back end. Now we can quibble on maybe Jaylen Brown not always saying the Right things in the wake of their first round loss to the Philadelphia 76ers. But he carried that team this year. And if you as the Celtics don't value him and as the number one guy, which is their right, because they have Jason Tatum and you're not going to offer him two years and $140 million, Dan, at 70 million PER, which they could offer him this summer, then you kind of have to trade them. And if you're Jaylen Brown, what have y' all done for me lately? Boston Celtics. If y' all don't want me, I don't want y'.
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Wyndham Clark
All.
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Dan Patrick
I know that you put Bam out of bio with Giannis and we like, you know, shiny objects here, but you got to fill out that roster. We saw the New York Knicks win because they had a balanced roster. They had depth as well. It's not, it doesn't feel like the NBA is that, hey, you got to have those two stars or three stars if you can. Feels like you want balance. Oklahoma City, balance in depth. Your thoughts on Miami, how much they improved?
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Vincent Goodwill
They just, they got different. And when you've been setting up to have a star and you get your star, that enables you to do the things that you're good at. The one thing, Dan, that the Heat are great at is finding high value, low cost players. The Duncan Robinsons, the Gabe Vincent, the Max Stru says guys that you surround your superstar with that don't necessarily cost a lot of money. They don't have the resources. Like they're going to lose Norman Powell in free agency, by and large. They still have Andrew Wiggins, they're going to be really, really good defensively. But Dan, you didn't make this move, I don't think for this season in the NBA, what we've seen is you don't add superstar and get a championship. The last time that truly happened was The Celtics of 2007, 2008, when you added Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to Paul Pierce. Every other iteration since then, by and large is it takes time, it takes a year to figure stuff out. And I think for them you get the superstar, you figure out your books and then you figure out how do we get the shooting around Giannis and Bam Adebayo. So where you don't overtax those guys, but defensively they're going to be hell on earth.
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Dan Patrick
He's Vincent Goodwill, ESPN NBA senior writer, part of ESPN's draft coverage on social media platforms tonight. I couldn't help but think as soon as the trade was Announced. I actually thought about the New York Knicks. If they hadn't won the title, if they hadn't won the title, how much. How involved would they have been for Giannis?
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Vincent Goodwill
That's a great question. You wonder if getting to the finals would have been enough or if they would have said, you know what, guys, we got to completely change up everything. Because it's not like AD and Giannis is a small piece. But I think given how they played through the Eastern Conference playoffs, discovering a lot of things like they got incrementally better. I think what happened, Dan, is we forgot how the regular season looked because of how the playoffs looked. They were so dominant throughout the course of the playoffs that we forgot that they had a very uneven regular season up until the last sort of three to four weeks where they started to put stuff together. But when you bring in a piece like Giannis, that changes the math, that changes the chemistry, that changes everything. And they've been really deliberate and delicate about adding pieces year after year. I'm not so sure that they would have gone Giannis hunting unless they completely fell flat on their face during the playoffs. And they didn't do that. They went to the Finals. At the very least, they were going to go to the Finals.
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Dan Patrick
But at the trade deadline, there were certainly talks that they were interested in. Y. Maybe it was, you know, reciprocated as well that people forget. The Knicks weren't a great regular season team when they have 53 wins. So they. They weren't, you know, okay, see here. And I think they were looking at this and saying, you know, is it time to move on from Carl Anthony Towns? And, you know, can we get Giannis and what. Carl Anthony Towns and what to get Giannis here. But, you know, obviously holding off. I still think Milwaukee and I said last year to start the year, where are you going? You know, when Dame Lillard got hurt, where are you going? And I don't know if teams would have said, oh, you're not. You're not approaching this. They're not approaching this from a position of strength. I wanted you to get more for this. And I wonder how could Milwaukee have gotten more than what they did if it was at the trade deadline or maybe to start this past season.
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Vincent Goodwill
It depends a lot of times on what your organizational priorities are, because the lottery rules change. I think it worked out better for them because had you traded him last summer, that have been before lottery reform. So you'd have been more focused on future draft capital and not the players, because you're Thinking about, okay, Oklahoma City got all the draft capital and they got every bite at the apple for the coming future. But now we see that the rules have changed. Then you couldn't have predicted that last summer. You didn't know what the draft was going to look like in the future. They still have the number 13 pick in addition to the number 10 pick. Even if they want to move up and get into the top four, top five. I'm not saying it would be enough, but I'm saying the image or the thought could be there. So I think Milwaukee, all things considered, got as much as they could have. And think about this, Dan. This is their number one superstar since Kareem Abdul Jabbar left them in 1975. You don't trade your franchise guy just because things are a little unhappy. You try to fix that relationship because those guys don't come around too often.
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Dan Patrick
Biggest question mark tonight leading into the the draft is who's going number one like Dan?
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Vincent Goodwill
Is it AJ Devonsa? Is it Darryl? Darren Peterson? I talked to dozens of executives in scouts over the past 90 days. And then narrowing it down over the past, let's say, 90 hours while I was sitting on a Newark Runway for two hours yesterday. Nothing else to do but talk to scouts and executives. And you know what? It was dead split. Some people love Darren Peterson. They love his talent. They don't pay attention to the stuff in the college season. They say it's a lot of discord between him and Kansas and Bill Self. And they say, go look at his high school film. Go look at the player that he is and all that stuff. And then there's the AJ debona people who are saying, this guy's a pro.
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Adam Silver
He's.
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Vincent Goodwill
He has a motor that you cannot teach. He's like a Tracy McGrady type of ball player, and he's lower maintenance. And then there's the people who say Caleb Wilson from North Carolina could wind up being Kevin Garnett in the future. Like, this could very well be a generational draft. But there is no clear cut number one. I asked executives last night, Dan, too, and you will love this. If Cooper Flagg was in this draft, who would go number one? And they all say, a Cooper flag, baby.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Dusty may no longer at Michigan going to the Dallas Mavericks. I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see more college coaches. It's more work for to, you know, to do this in college than it is the NBA. And I never thought that I would say that. Your thoughts on Dusty leaving Michigan well,
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Vincent Goodwill
I'm a child of the fab five, so I'm not particularly happy about such developments, Dan. But when you look at the fact that he didn't sign his contract extension, that Michigan also lost Jim Harbaugh in the wake of winning a national title, there's something in the Brewer up there at Michigan that they need to straighten out as far as nailing down their coaches. Granted, Harbaugh was a little bit different as far as with the NCAA and the show calls and everything else, but with Dusty May, in the college basketball landscape as a whole, it's contracts, it's parents, it's classes. Like, it's the mixture of all the bad things that you don't want to deal with in the pros. Plus you're dealing with 18 year olds who are completely unreliable. And we just seem to forget that even though we put $5 million in hands, they're still 18 years old. And you got to make sure and check where they are 15 hours of the day. That seems like a job for a babysitter. And if you're making as much money as me, how am I babysitting you? Are you babysitting me?
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Dan Patrick
I felt bad for you, but I wanted to give you the. Or provide the context when you mentioned the Knicks got a participation trophy by winning. You know, we've had eight different champions here in the last eight years, so you got roughed up on social media. So I'll let you put it in context here, Vincent.
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Vincent Goodwill
Dan, I never said the Knicks got a participation trophy. That is where the context is all screwed up. The topic we were talking about on get up for those who are unaware was dynasties versus parody. And my point was, in the NBA's greatest era, there's always the team that you have to chase. There's the Celtics, there's the Lakers, there's the Bulls there. Whoever it is, that's the big dog. And they were saying, this is great. This is parody. Everybody has a chance. And I'm like, like the 70s, when the 70s decade was so great that the NBA wound up on tape delay in 1980, up until the Lakers dynasty and the Celtics dynasty popped up. So the quip was just a sarcastic comment of, oh, everybody gets a trophy. You get a trophy, you get a trophy. I, I thought it was just something funny. I didn't think people would take it so damn literally. But sarcasm goes over people's heads, Dan. Literacy is at an all time low.
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Dan Patrick
I got the commissioner on later. Anything I can ask him on your behalf?
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Vincent Goodwill
On my behalf?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Vincent Goodwill
I'll text you that one. Dan. Not suitable. Not suitable for airwaves today.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, okay. All right. Have fun tonight. Don't say anything that's going to, you know, make social media in a negative way here. Or is that your goal? Is that.
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Vincent Goodwill
No, man. I got death threats. Do you think I wanted death threats from Nick fans? And I wasn't even talking about them. I said this is the most dominant run you've ever had. And you think I'm talking about y'? All. Maybe that's a you problem. That's. You know, when you ain't never been nowhere, you think everybody talking about you
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Dan Patrick
do better death threats because you said or the context the clip was participation trope. Who doesn't like you, man? You're.
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Vincent Goodwill
Come on, Nick fans. Nick fans think. Nick fans think I am some Pistons fan because all the media are Nick fans and they think the journalists have forgotten how to be journalists. I don't root for anybody. I don't give a damn who wins. Dan, my check still clears every week.
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Dan Patrick
All right, well, have fun tonight. Thank you, Vincent.
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Vincent Goodwill
Appreciate you, Dan.
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Dan Patrick
That's Vincent Goodwill Jr. III.
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Wyndham Clark
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Wyndham Clark
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Wyndham Clark
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Dan Patrick
PGA Tour has just dropped a story about competitive structure here. Before we get to Wyndham Clark, Polly, I didn't have time to read over everything, but I did see the word relegation in there and Tiger woods co signed this. So. Yeah, what do we have?
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Wyndham Clark
This was announced by the PGA Tour just an hour ago. There will be a new model, including two separate series of tournaments starting in 2028, the PGA Tour Championship Series and the PGA Tour Challenger Series that will run concurrently during the season. And most of the star players, Wyndham Clark and all the other star players, will of course beyond the Championship Series. Then the Challenger Series is like the way you work your way up to that series, so almost like European promotion and relegation.
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Dan Patrick
Hmm. Well, let's bring in Wyndham Clark, the 2026 U.S. open champ. First of all, congratulations. Are you aware of this new competitive structure there on the tour and if so, what do you think?
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, I found out this morning I've Been, you know, we have a few player advisory guys, and I've been, you know, picking their brains, and I kind of knew something like this was coming through the pipeline, but, yeah, I mean, a lot of us kind of found out today, just like you guys.
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Dan Patrick
And are you okay with the word relegation in there?
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, I think it's great. I love what the PGA Tour and Brian Rolapp are doing, and I think it's going to be the best thing for golf. I think it'll be easier for people to understand, you know, what's going on, what guys are playing for, etc.
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Dan Patrick
All right. How much is mental? How much is physical at Shinnecock?
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Wyndham Clark
I mean, gosh, I want to say it's like 80% mental, to be honest. Like, you know, it's so hard to play at that golf course, and it requires. It just requires so much mental fortitude. You can hit a great shot and your job's still not done. The greens are so challenging.
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Dan Patrick
You.
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Wyndham Clark
You can hit a poor shot and get bad breaks and the wind gust, your ball, et cetera. So, yeah, it's. It's definitely mental.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. And is that the kind of course, if somebody said, hey, do you want to go play Shinnecock, let's say, like, next year, would you go? Yeah,
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Wyndham Clark
I think I would say it just like that. Yeah. I mean, it's.
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Adam Silver
It's.
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Wyndham Clark
You want to play because it's a top course in the country, in the world, but you know, you're gonna get your brains beat in. So it's a. It's a lot. I think everyone. It's a love hate. You love the course, you love the tradition. It's amazing, but it just is tough, man. I. I would definitely, you know, I'm not gonna say no, that's for sure. But it might not be the most enjoyable round. I'm probably gonna. You know, you might shoot over par and you say, okay, that was a good round.
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Dan Patrick
How much is luck and how much is skill? Like, you have to have bounces that go your way, but they're. They're obviously have the skill. So I don't want to demean anything, but how much luck went into winning the US Open?
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Wyndham Clark
I think anytime someone wins, you have luck on your side. It's amazing. When I've played with guys that have won, you know, it just seems like things go their way, that a bounce is, you know, kicks right instead of left, and it's the correct bounce. They might hit it in the rough and they have a good lie versus someone else. That has a bad lie. The ball lips in rather than lips out. So there's definitely some luck that is involved. And, you know, I. I had some things definitely go my way. So, yeah, there's luck for sure.
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Dan Patrick
And it sound. I know it sounded weird when I said this yesterday on my show. I didn't think you played great. I think you were scrambled so well that, you know, that kind of cleans up the mess. Like, it was meant as a compliment that that wasn't the best. Like, lacc different than this. This was survival. And you're just like, whatever it takes to get that ball in the hole. And it just felt like, you know, your scrambling was unbelievable.
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I kind of played like crap Saturday, Sunday. I was hitting it all over the place. I didn't have much control. I didn't hit many greens. I was spraying the driver. But, yeah, I mean, the one great thing is I was mentally really tough, and my short game kept me in it. So, yeah, I mean, it's. It's amazing to be able to not have my A game, if you will, and still be able to pull through and win such a big championship.
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Dan Patrick
You got the US Open trophy behind you. Where's the other US Open trophy?
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Wyndham Clark
Well, there's only one. There's only one. It's the same one.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, they don't give you, like, your. Your own. The smaller one.
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, yeah. Replica. It's like 90.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Wyndham Clark
That's it. That's at home. Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. But that one you get to carry around for a year.
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, for a year. So it'll be on a nice, fun journey of going back home to Colorado, Arizona, wherever we decide to go.
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Dan Patrick
Now, do you just get a seat for it on the plane? Strap it in? You're not going to put an overhead bin?
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, you just put it overhead. You stuff some stuff in there. It'll be in a nice case that protects the thing, maybe plane or something. I don't know.
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Dan Patrick
You keep it safe. How do you. How did you use the crowd to your advantage over the weekend?
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Wyndham Clark
Well, a lot of times, you know, they're rooting for you, and you. You build off the momentum. This time, there wasn't much momentum, but it definitely. It. It made me kind of gear down and. And. And use the negative things that people are saying to fuel the fire. That's, you know, with inside me, and. And that's kind of exactly what happened. Anytime I heard something negative, I replaced it with something positive. And I just loved when I made a putt or hit a Good shot. And I could see, you know, I look around and see people kind of like, ah, damn it. He keeps it hitting good shots or keeps pulling it off. And I love that it kind of gave me a little internal smile and, and kind of the confidence, cockiness that. That helped me get. Get the. Get the w. But when did you
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Dan Patrick
realize maybe they weren't rooting for you, they're actually rooting against you?
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Wyndham Clark
I mean, I knew on Saturday, I mean, people. I'd miss a putt, and people start cheering. And then Sunday was. Was honestly wild. You know, I missed the putt on the first hole for birdie, and people cheered. I hit it over the green on two, people cheered. On the fourth hole, I hit a horrendous shot, right? And people were cheering and saying, don't choke, etc. And so I was like, whoa, this is. This is a hostile environment. So the nice things that happened early, so I was able, and I kind of prepared myself for it. So I. It wasn't like a complete shock, but I was surprised that it was, that it was that hostile.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. But I got to commend you, man, because when I'm listening, I'm watching, but I'm hearing, I go, and they're booing him. Like, they're cheering when it went in the bunker. And I'm like, they must really want Scheffler to complete the career grand slam and win it on his birthday. Like, that's the only thing I thought of. I don't know what you thought.
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, I mean, hey, I understand it. I, I, I have done some things that maybe turn the fans against me. Scotty has a chance to do something only a few guys have done. It's his birthday. He's number one player in the world. You know, I, I somewhat understand, but, you know, one of the things is I was hoping that if I did it with class and poise and kindness and love, that I would win them over. And I don't know if I have, but at least I, I tried my hardest to do that. And. But, yeah, I mean, it's fun. I played other sports. You know, I played basketball and hockey and so many things growing up, and I love those environments. I loved going into an away gym and, you know, going in there and making shots or free throws and everyone kind of getting quiet, and there's nothing like that. Winning on the road.
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Dan Patrick
Well, a free throw is kind of like a putt.
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, 100%. 100%. When they're yelling and saying all kinds of things, and, you make both of them. You just, it's a, it's amazing what it does to your confidence inside.
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Dan Patrick
I think it backfired, Windem. I really do, because I, and I think, I think you gained the respect of everybody in that gallery because it's like, damn, we gave him everything we're all about in New York. And you kept your head down. You didn't gesture anything, anything make you laugh, like truly make you laugh, that they yelled at you.
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Wyndham Clark
I wouldn't necessarily say that. It was more when someone was cheering for me, we'd laugh and I go, oh, I got one fan over there. You know, that was more what we laugh about. But no, the other things, I, Yeah, they didn't really make me laugh. But so what did.
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Dan Patrick
How much do you lean? It felt like you're leaning on your caddy quite a bit, but I don't know how that. Yeah, what happens where you go, I got this, or come on in, I need some help?
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, I mean, it's. Caddy in those moments is more about, not as much about the club selection and, you know, the numbers and all that stuff. It's more about managing the emotions, kind of having the objective look at things going, hey, we're in a good spot. It's okay. Let's, let's chip out to here or let's do this or hey, we still have the lead. You know, he kept saying if we knew coming in the week that we'd have a lead going into Sunday or the back nine, we would have taken it regardless. If I had a six shot lead and it dwindled to one, hey, we still have a lead. And so he kept reminding me of those things and he says, we're right where we want to be. We're right where we want to be. So I definitely applaud him for all the great stuff he did and helped me pull through.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Because I heard him trust the process. Trust the process. Seemed like that was the re. The final words before you would swing.
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, I mean, it was. We really focus on making sure I go through my routine and not,
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Dan Patrick
you
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Wyndham Clark
know, not have any kind of second thoughts and just be really clear, no clutter, and go in there. And once we pick the club, that's the right club, regardless if it's a good shot or not. But you want to be assertive and confident and then pick my target, get addressed to that target and kind of do the same thing every time so that your body kind of, it's amazing what kind of routine and, and rhythm you can get when you do that,
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Dan Patrick
when you first caught a glimpse of your father, what'd you think?
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Wyndham Clark
Well, I was shocked. I literally had no idea until I finish. We're kind of on there celebrating with friends and family. And then they pointed to me and turned. You know, I turned around and see my dad. It was. It was a really special moment. He hasn't been able to see me win in person, and to win a major on Father's Day was, you know, I'm sure was amazing for him, but it was also amazing for me. So it was a very, very special moment.
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Dan Patrick
And sometimes it's better to see them after. After you've done something instead of sometimes, you know, parents in the crowd can make you nervous as they're watching you.
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Wyndham Clark
Yeah, 100%. 100%. You know, it's. It's nice that he was able to be there, but it was also good for me that I didn't know he was there, if that makes sense. Just because, you know, I wanted to be focused on what I was doing. And, you know, you never want to let your dad or mom or anyone down, so not knowing that they're there kind of helps you mentally.
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Dan Patrick
Congratulations again. I mean, that. That's a challenge. That course is. It's like Pinehurst number two. I don't enjoy them, but they are two of the greatest golf courses in the world. But it just feels like you've been in battle the whole time. So you survived and you have the hardware to show it.
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Wyndham Clark
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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Dan Patrick
Good luck, Wyndham. Thank you. Wyndham Clark, U.S. open champ. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Dan Patrick
let's bring in the commissioner, Adam Silver. Always good to see you again. Thank you for showing up, being punctual as always. What did you think of the trade with Giannis last night?
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Adam Silver
It was interesting. There'd been discussions around Giannis getting moved for a while now. He obviously had a great run in Milwaukee and you know, people had predicted under this new system with the second apron that we wouldn't have player movement. Certain amount of player movement is good, you know, creates renewed energy and hope in markets. I think even in Milwaukee. There was a sense there that it was time to rebuild. You know, a lot of excitement around Giannis going to Miami. So at least early reports are, it's positive.
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Dan Patrick
How involved are you in the final process with that trade?
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Adam Silver
Not at all. The only thing that happens from a league office standpoint is there's an official trade call where you have to match up rosters and caps for, you know, CBA purposes there, you know, physicals that get administered. But, you know, I think people get confused sometimes as to whether we approve trades, meaning we think it's a good trade, that that's not our role. It's only to make sure that the mechanics fit under the cba.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, but I always go back to Commissioner Stern with the Chris Paul trade that he vetoed.
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Adam Silver
Well, that issue always comes up. But you may remember at the time, David was in essence the acting owner of New Orleans. And so I know there was enormous confusion around that, but he vetoed that trade. That was brought to him by the then GM as wearing the hat of the owner of the team. And it was. Why, when we ran the Clippers, when I ran early on as commissioner, having learned my lesson, there was a guy named Dick Parsons who was the interim governor. And I said, dick, you're in charge of that team. Other than the league playing its role as it would with any trade, I have no say over what basketball decisions will be made for the organization. So lesson learned. There's. But again, he, David, was in essence acting as owner of the team, not as commissioner.
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Dan Patrick
Where do we stand with the Clippers? Since you mentioned them, with, you know, sort of off the court stuff with
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Adam Silver
the owner and Kawhi Leonard investigation is still ongoing. Law firm down the street from our office in New York, Wachtel, is overseeing the investigation. And I know they're. They're hoping to wrap it up this
- [36:23]
Dan Patrick
summer, but this, I don't know if it affects. Oh, so it has to be later this summer. I didn't know if it would affect draft picks or anything going into this draft tonight.
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Adam Silver
Certainly nothing affecting tonight. But beyond that, you know, no decisions have been made.
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Dan Patrick
Help me understand the importance. If I was going to look at a New York team winning a title in baseball, football, basketball, where would you put the importance of New York winning that title in basketball over, say, the Giants or the Yankees?
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Adam Silver
Yeah, I'll say, really answering as a New Yorker, that I think this championship was unique because of the 53 year gap before they last won a championship. You know, I grew up a Yankee fan. The Yankees have had so much success in New York, it's a huge deal when they win a World Series. But I think, again, because so much pent up, you know, just fandom around this Knick team and desire to see a championship again. Also Madison Square Garden, as you know, you know, located in, you know, the heart of Manhattan. I always think of basketball as a city sport, so it seemed to take on just unique attention here. I will say again, being in this market, I mean, over 2 million people took to the streets for the parade and it just, it felt like it brought people together like nothing else in recent history. It just. There were viewing parties everywhere, walking to work, just being out on the streets. In my neighborhood, you saw nick merchandise virtually on everyone, all the store windows, et cetera. So, you know, it's. It was just amazing. I think this. To see what this championship meant to New York right now.
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Dan Patrick
Your first NBA game was a Knicks game?
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Adam Silver
Definitely, yeah. As a kid. No, no question about it. Probably my, my first, you know, 30 games. I mean, I, you know, when I was a kid, we didn't travel to NBA games. So I think I, I grew up to the extent I was able to go to games. It was exclusively going to Knicks games.
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Dan Patrick
You, of course, have to host the draft tonight. Can you look back now? Do you. Does everybody get together? Help me understand, when you're preparing for announcing these names, how does that work? Where you need to learn how to pronounce those who might be drafted?
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Adam Silver
Well, first of all, in terms of everyone getting together, actually right after this interview, across the street from our office is Rockefeller center, and there's a luncheon for all the lottery picks and their families and friends. Some of them bring their coaches, high school coaches. It's a really cool event. And Andre Guadalupe, head of the players association, will speak to them. I will as well. But it's really an opportunity to welcome them to the NBA family and opportunity for the Player Association. Talk to them a little bit about joining this unique fraternity. I'm always amazed. I think we're up to about 5,000 players in the history of this league have been in the NBA. I mean, it's quite an amazing, at least small number considering the history of this league. And it sort of welcome. So that happens today, just, you know, an hour from now. In terms of pronunciations, we've sort of learned our lesson. So what we do now, for example, at the Chicago combine, we ask every player to look into a camera and say his name the way he wants it said. Because in some cases, what has Become the pronunciation of the name in college or from wherever else isn't necessarily the way they want it said. You know, AJ DeBonso, for example, I was with him and his dad, and his father's name is Anise. And he. AJ is Anise Junior. And they both said to me, we want you to say whatever number he's picked to say Anise debonsa instead of aj. I think he's still gonna go by aj but, you know, like, that's an example. But, you know, we also. Then they. Folks in the league office write it out for me phonetically. I'm sure when you pronounce the names on air, it was the same. And do the best I can.
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Dan Patrick
Was there ever a name where you got tripped up or were nervous about getting tripped up?
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Adam Silver
I think Giannis is in the news. A tetokounmpo. I remember practicing that one a few times. I think it's one of those ones when you look at the spelling, you only get that much more confused. You just have to say, you know, put it aside.
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Dan Patrick
So, yes, or wembanyama as well, you know.
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Adam Silver
Yeah, yeah. Then we just go by Wemby going forward. But yeah, that one too.
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Dan Patrick
Busier in the off season or during the season?
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Adam Silver
Definitely during the season. Just because there's things that come up every day, you know, with games every day, every night, there's always something that needs the league office's attention. But pretty busy off season. I mean, different addition. We also collectively oversee the WNBA with my WNBA colleagues, so that keeps us pretty busy. But we have our summer league coming up right around the corner after the draft. We're looking at potential expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle. We're looking at potentially creating a league in Europe. So I'll do a fair amount of traveling in the off season as well, but, you know, I'll get some time in there as well, so it's a little bit more relaxed.
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Dan Patrick
We're looking at 20, 28, Seattle and Vegas still the leading candidates for expansion, and if so, Memphis or Minnesota going to the Eastern Conference. Does that sound fair?
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Adam Silver
So if we expand, at least we're thinking 28, 29 season. The only two cities at the moment we're looking at are Las Vegas and Seattle. We haven't had a vote on it. It's not a foregone conclusion, but we're in the process of talking to groups that are interested in getting an expansion team in those two cities. And then. Yes, and then we'll. We'll.
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Dan Patrick
We'll.
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Adam Silver
If we do add Two teams. We'll want to likely even out the conferences. So there will be some movement then.
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Dan Patrick
But you're looking at two teams, not either Seattle or Vegas.
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Adam Silver
Yeah, we're currently looking at two teams, but what we've said is it's possible we won't expand at all and we could expand to just one market, but we're officially looking at both those markets right now.
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Dan Patrick
Talking to the commissioner, Adam Silver, NBA draft coming up tonight. I think we've gone, what, eight years with a different champion? I think we've gone eight years with a non US born player winning mvp. Which trend would you like to continue as commissioner if you could pick between those two?
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Adam Silver
You know, honestly, neither one. I mean, I. I think it's interesting that you've had so many international players as MVPs. I mean, we just talked about Giannis also. It's interesting on draft night, as a reminder, 15th pick in the draf, not the first pick, not a top five pick, but the 15th. So it shows how deep the town is in this league. And the majority of our players are still American. Roughly 70% of the league are American. So, you know, I think if anything, that rash of international MVPs has gotten the attention of youth development in the US and the programs, or whether that's just happenstance or there's a better job we all need to do collectively. No question there's enormous talent coming out of the US this current draft is an example. And I think on the eight different champions in eight years, that wasn't our goal per se. The goal over time has been, you know, I've said it to be more NFL, like, where you believe your team has a shot. You know, it maybe not every single season, but your view is, regardless of the market size, if your team is well managed, if you have a little bit of luck in there, that you have a good chance to be in the playoffs and, and potentially be the champion. And so I think what we've seen is societal changes. I think that nobody's going to say that Victor Wembanyama in San Antonio can't get global attention because it's a smaller market. I think. I love the fact this year, even San Antonio versus New York, I don't think the storyline was small market. First big market, it was, you know, Wemby versus, you know, Jalen or whatever else. And so I think the players recognize they can have success regardless where they are. And I also think that the changes we've made in the cba, you know, that we've. It's still a soft cap system, but they're so called second apron. You know, we want a better distribution of the players and we're seeing that. But having said that, my goal sitting here isn't to ensure we have yet a ninth different champion next year. I think if there's roughly parity of opportunity and through strong management and great players, teams can repeat. That's great too. I just think that fans want a sense that it's not top heavy as it was historically in the NBA. Remember, three teams won 60% of the championships over the first 65 years of this league. And you know, David Stern used to joke, you know, when he first became commissioner, you were just going back and forth from Boston to la. That was the job. And I think, you know, as much as and I get that question all the time, like, oh, aren't dynasties great? They're great. I think depending on how they're formed, I don't think fans are as enthusiastic about them if one team is spending drastically more than another team. So I like where we are and I'm not rooting for either one of those trends to continue. But again, I think going into this coming season, new talent coming into league, a lot of deep talent around the league. You know, I think there will be teams that are favored, but I think more fans will believe in their teams and their teams have a legitimate shot to win.
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Dan Patrick
What has kept you up at night before an NBA topic?
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Adam Silver
Always this sports betting stuff. I mean, no question about it. I mean, both, you know, when it was illegal, it kept us up and when it's legal, it keeps us up. I mean, in some ways, you know, you can better monitor it when it's legal, but a lot of the bad stuff is happening illegally. But I think given the prevalence of enormous amount of sports betting in our society, and by the way, it's now it's the prediction markets too. Those are really sports betting platforms. I mean, everybody has a lot of chatter around predictions around wars and elections and things, but the majority of the money on those platforms is around sports. So. And that's not regulated state by state, that's federal. And then I'm always reminding people, in a global sport like ours, last I counted there was something like 85 other countries that had legal sports betting, legalized sports betting on the NBA. So there's no way we're going to turn the clock back on that. You know, we're constantly looking at new ways to monitor activity. You know, even lines around the world, you can still pay attention to them. And if there's sort of strange line movements, try to figure out what's going on. Continue educating our players and everyone involved in the game on the dire consequences of betting. But that's definitely something that keeps me up.
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Dan Patrick
Tanking or flopping, what do you spend more time on?
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Adam Silver
Well, this season we spent more time on tanking and we came up with a new system going into next season which just in short, largely flattens the odds for the non playoff teams and presumably will disincentivize teams from that sort of behavior. I mean, there's no question it got out of hand, you know, and we want the focus to be on winning games. And I think that's what's going to change. It'll be really interesting next season because we'll be going into a world we've never been in before where there's essentially no incentive to be at the bottom. In fact, you know, we have a concept we're calling draft relegation. Sort of. You're actually odds of getting a top pick go down if you're one of the bottom three picks. So, you know, was very focused on that. This year flopping started to get more attention. Early rounds of the playoffs this year that's something we have a competition committee meeting in Las Vegas for two days. We'll, we'll certainly be spending a lot of time on that. I mean, I think that the concept in terms of flopping, I mean historically in the league for us it was when a player snapped his head back and then you saw in video replay maybe often after the game that the other player didn't even touch him, etc. Look like player was shot out of a rocket, etc. And wasn't even touched. You know, as, as I've said, you know, recently, I think what modern flopping is often more about players trying to sell calls to officials. They're taught that in certain circumstances, so in many cases it actually is a foul. But you could argue they're overreacting to it. And I think we got to spend time looking at where that line is, where it's just in some cases just a non call, you know, and historically if a player chose to fall to the ground but nothing was called and the ball still in play, it's just a disadvantage to his team. And the thought was players just going to get up and it's going to stop doing that if the officials aren't rewarding them for that behavior. But I also, you know, I'm listening to fans and I think to a certain, maybe to a Large extent, fans don't necessarily want to see guys falling down on every play. So that's something we'll pay more attention to this summer.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I brought this up. It feels like the WNBA allows play on more than the NBA does. It feels like these guys are really skilled at. I'm going to draw a contact, and I'm going to let you know that I'm drawing contact where the WNBA might be a little more lenient. And I don't know if that's fair as a blanket to put over it, but I. I see a lot of WNBA games as well.
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Adam Silver
Yeah, it's, it's. It's an interesting comment. I mean, one thing I've learned, I mean, the. The women's game is just different than the men's game. I mean, ultimately, Monty McCutcheon is overseeing the entire officiating program. So there are different WNBA officials and in certain cases, different managers of those officials. But overall, the total, in totality, the program's overseen by the same people. So again, I think lessons learned for us over the years, too, just in different approaches to the women's game and the men's game. It's just. It's just played differently to a certain extent. But you may be right. I mean, again, I think that, you know, the direction to the officiating crew over the last few years has been sort of to recalibrate a bit to allow a more physical defense. We don't necessarily want to go back where, you know, it was sort of brute force defense. You and I remember those years. And in some cases it less from a skill standpoint, it was just more physicality. And I don't necessarily think people want that, but I think that the fans and the players like to be able to play physical defense. And so to the extent then that, you know, players just falling down or whatever else is a result of that, I think in most cases, you know, fans just want to see the flow of the game. They don't want the constant stoppage in play. So it's always just looking to find that right balance.
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Dan Patrick
Is there anything you need from me before we. Before we say goodbye?
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Adam Silver
Maybe just to promote the draft tonight. ABC and es.
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Dan Patrick
I've been doing that. Yeah. Who took away my voting privileges?
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Adam Silver
Commissioner, you know, there's a guy named Mike Bass, head of communications. He's off camera right over there. Have your folks talk to him.
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Dan Patrick
I mean, there aren't many guys like me still hanging around.
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Adam Silver
Commissioner, I didn't know your voting privileges were taken away.
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Dan Patrick
Yes, they were. I think when I left him over there, I think we left. When I left espn, apparently NBA left me as well.
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Adam Silver
All right, I'm going to look into that one.
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Dan Patrick
If David Stern was still around, I'd have my. I'd have my vote, maybe.
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Dan Patrick
Can you yell at somebody right now? Can you yell at Mike Bass right there? Mike?
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Adam Silver
My, my media training is such that it's saying, like, don't.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you. Good to talk to you again.
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Adam Silver
Good to see you again.
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Dan Patrick
All right, that's Adam Silver. He'll restore my voting privileges.
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