Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe w/ Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington & Jonas Knox

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show — Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Hosts: Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington, & Petros Papadakis
Date: September 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode from "2 Pros and a Cup of Joe" (syndicated as a special on The Dan Patrick Show feed) features Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington, and frequent guest Petros Papadakis. The conversation ranges from headline-grabbing NFL controversies—like Tom Brady’s role as an owner/analyst—to college football coaching drama, and rolls into an in-depth (and comedic) look at the UCLA football debacle, plus a hilarious tangent on college mascots. The hosts blend insider insight with humor and candid, passionate sports talk.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Welcome, Banter, and Tone-Setting [03:06–04:26]

• The show kicks off with playful jabs between Jonas, Brady, and LaVar, poking fun at each other’s professionalism and setting an irreverent, free-flowing tone.
  • Memorable Moment:
    • LaVar: "You got issues, man, and they're very real and you need to get them addressed." [03:08]
• Jonas announces the launch of the show's new YouTube channel, inviting listeners to subscribe and interact.

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2. NFL Hot Topic: Tom Brady as Owner & Booth Presence [05:33–13:11]

• The crew revisits the building controversy about Tom Brady’s dual role as a minority owner and being seen in an NFL coaching booth.
  • Brady Quinn questions the league's transparency:
    • "Has Pete Carroll built up enough credibility with everyone where we believe anything Pete says?" [06:55]
  • Jonas reads the official NFL statement, clarifying rules for owners in the booth and emphasizing Brady hadn't broken any policies.
  • Brady’s take on NFL’s “chosen few”:
    • "If Peyton Manning had taken an ownership stake in the Broncos ... is the NFL going to take a harder stance with those players? Or is it just about Tom Brady being able to do both because He's Tom Brady?" [09:07]
  • LaVar labels Brady, Manning, and others as "football immortals" with privileges beyond scrutiny.
    • "There's some guys that are...football immortals and they can do what they want. Arch can do what he wants. Peyton can do what he wants. Tom Brady can do what he wants." [11:18]
  • The group agree the public will never know the whole truth:
    • "It's on a level of clearance that's beyond what we're going to discuss. ... That's the bottom line." – LaVar [12:03]
• The hosts end the segment by lampooning the obsession, agreeing the debate is "a dead horse."

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3. Coaching Status, Program Legacies, and Hasty Firings in CFB [24:53–39:50]

• Dabo Swinney/Clemson Under Fire
  • Swinney’s impassioned defense of his track record amid fan unrest:
    • "If they tired of winning, they can send me on the way because that's all we've done is win. ... To win your league eight out of the last ten years, to go to the playoffs seven out of ten years..." [25:10-25:22]
  • Hosts back Dabo: citing impatient fans, warning schools about firing proven winners only to languish for decades searching for their replacement.
    • "So many programs and schools, they'll want to fire these guys. And...end up spending the next decade or more try[ing] to find that exact same guy they would have killed for." – Brady [26:23]
• College Coaching Carousel
  • Discusses the firings of Brent Pry (Virginia Tech) and DeShaun Foster (UCLA), pointing to accelerated administrative timelines due to transfer portal policies.
    • "If those guys don't get four years to get their entire, you know, class of recruits in and develop, etc, how do you really know? But this is the society we live in now. We don't get the results we want right away. We just want to move on." – Brady [30:47]
  • LaVar emphasizes the overlooked importance of coaches as mentors and educators, not just win machines:
    • "If you have a coach that is graduating his players, teaching his players how to tie a tie, put on a suit... that's the biggest tale of the tape." [32:56]

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4. Petros Papadakis Joins: LA Sports, Dodgers, and UCLA's Football Mess [44:11–61:29]

• On the LA Dodgers’ Bullpen Woes
  • Petros sharply critiques the Dodgers' faltering postseason hopes, characterizing recent bullpen struggles with trademark humor:
    • "...they're getting their boobs scooped out like Baskin Robbins every time they go pitch." [46:11]
• UCLA Football’s Downfall
  • Details Martin Jarmond's administrative missteps, DeShaun Foster's ill-fated hiring, and chronic apathy (empty Rose Bowl games).
  • Strong advocacy for building a new, on-campus stadium, following the models of Houston and Tulane:
    • "A big stadium is, is...not much better than the drive from Westwood to Pasadena. ... They need to do that. ... But they're too stupid." [57:40]
  • On recruiting and culture:
    • "UCLA basically says they take the players that, well, would make it into USC. ... that's what separates the two." – LaVar [61:29]

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5. Crosstalk and College Football Matchups [62:32–65:12]

• Petros previews USC's matchup with Michigan State, praising new Spartans coach Jonathan Smith and forecasting a tough test for the Trojans.
• Delves into X’s and O’s about MSU’s quarterback and wideouts; calls the game likely a “shootout.”

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6. NFL LA Teams Check-In: Chargers vs. Rams [65:12–67:51]

• Petros hesitantly chooses the Rams as most likely to make a deep playoff run over the injury-riddled Chargers:
  • "The next time the Chargers make a deep playoff run in my lifetime will be the first." [67:51]
  • Calls Rams coach Sean McVay "insufferable to listen to" but effective, while lauding Matthew Stafford’s return to form.

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7. Mascot Mayhem and Comic Relief [69:06–71:20]

• Petros, LaVar, and Jonas descend into hysterics about Colorado State’s ram mascot ("Cam the Ram"), with recurring jokes about mascot anatomy supplying peak “Cup of Joe” silliness.
  • "Have you ever seen Cam the Ram’s ball sack?" – Petros [69:16]
  • "He's just coming out. Coming out of the mountains...ready for Return of the Sack." [69:20]
• Offers colorful commentary on live mascots in the college game, including Colorado’s Ralphie and the toughness of handling live animals on the field.

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Selected Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Brady Quinn on NFL transparency:
  "If Peyton Manning had taken an ownership stake in the Broncos...is the NFL going to take a harder stance with those players? Or is it just about Tom Brady being able to do both because He's Tom Brady?" [09:07]

• LaVar Arrington on “football immortals”:
  "There's some guys that are...football immortals and they can do what they want to do." [11:18]

• Dabo Swinney’s flex: "If they tired of winning, they can send me on the way because that's all we've done is win. ... To win your league eight out of the last ten years, to go to the playoffs seven out of ten years..." [25:10-25:22]

• Petros on Dodgers’ bullpen: "They're getting their boobs scooped out like Baskin Robbins every time they go pitch." [46:11]

• Brady on social media and sports impatience: "None of these, especially young people, know history...they don't face that sort of adversity to understand what it takes." [38:10]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Show kicks off and new YouTube channel – [03:06]
• Tom Brady Booth/Ownership Controversy – [05:33–13:11]
• Debate on legacy coaches & firing culture – [24:53–39:50]
• Petros Papadakis on Dodgers & UCLA – [44:11–61:29]
• USC vs Michigan State Preview – [62:32–65:12]
• Rams v. Chargers, NFL LA Teams – [65:12–67:51]
• Mascot Tangent (‘Cam the Ram’) – [69:06–71:20]

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode’s style is a perfect blend of irreverent humor, sharp sports analysis, and honest reflection. Listeners are treated to both insider perspective and comedic, often self-deprecating banter. The episode underscores the increasing impatience of fan bases, the changing landscape of college sports, and the eccentricities that make sports commentary great.

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For anyone who missed it, this episode is a rollicking listen—cramming insider sports takes, real talk on the business of coaching, and a hearty dose of laughs into one fast-paced package.

Transcript

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[Petros Papadakis]

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[Jonas Knox]

And a Cup of Joe with Levar.

[Petros Papadakis]

Arrington, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knox on Fox Sports Radio.

[Jonas Knox]

All right, get it together.

[LaVar Arrington]

You got issues, man, and they're very real and you need to get them addressed.

[Jonas Knox]

Just everybody just get it together, all right? Why don't we do a professional broadcast? No, I didn't do anything.

[LaVar Arrington]

I just do. Never Never ends.

[Jonas Knox]

I didn't do anything.

[Brady Quinn]

It's already started.

[LaVar Arrington]

No, they don't believe in race relations around here either, by the way. I mean, it's racist some of the things. Yeah, Jeez. The things that this man comes up with out there, bro.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, boy. It is two pros and a cup of joe here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox. With you here, you can find us on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. Wherever you are, making us a part of your Wednesday morning. We appreciate you doing so. We are going to take you all the way, way up until 9:00am Eastern Time, 6:00 clock Pacific. And we are also excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Just go to YouTube.com forward/2prosfsfsr. Or if you're already within YouTube, just search 2prosfsfsr. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there. Hit the thumbs up icon. Comment away. Let us know whose takes on the show you like, whose you don't. Go check out our brand new channel on YouTube again, just search 2 pros FSR and subscribe. Good morning. How's everybody feeling here on this Wednesday morning?

[LaVar Arrington]

Good.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

Everybody who really cares, like, how I'm feeling, I'll be honest with you on that. We got a show to do. You know, we gotta get through this show. We're gonna talk about some topics that have been beaten like a dead horse, but we're gonna keep talking about them.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

By the way, the old adage, beaten like a dead horse. Anybody actually beat a dead horse? You ever think about that?

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah. When you're trying to, to revive it, you know, you're, you got to beat it because you can't just do a normal, you know, push, push to get the heart going type deal like you would do on a person. You got to, you got to.

[Petros Papadakis]

You got to.

[LaVar Arrington]

You got to beat that.

[Jonas Knox]

Really?

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

You got to beat that. That horse.

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

See, it's wisdom right there.

[Jonas Knox]

I didn't know.

[LaVar Arrington]

It's called beating the.

[Brady Quinn]

Jeez.

[LaVar Arrington]

You know what I mean?

[Jonas Knox]

That's a great point.

[Brady Quinn]

You got to beat it.

[LaVar Arrington]

Look, look, you got, you got beaten that.

[Jonas Knox]

Pull your pants up now.

[Petros Papadakis]

Dang. Dang.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, well, there are a lot of.

[LaVar Arrington]

You're off to a quick start today, aren't you?

[Jonas Knox]

There are a lot of dead horses that need to be beaten. One of those is the discussion about Tom Brady in a booth, in a coaching booth with a headset.

[Brady Quinn]

Let's wait on this one.

[Jonas Knox]

So we hit on this a little bit yesterday that there was a report that Peter Schrager had on Monday.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, is that a credible report?

[Jonas Knox]

Well, come on.

[LaVar Arrington]

So, you know, got enough hours logged in on the field.

[Jonas Knox]

Pete Carroll responded to that after the game and kind of dismissed, you know, the questioning. Oh, he's not involved in anything like that. And then Pete Carroll also had to respond to the questions yesterday about the situation, and it sounded like this.

[Brady Quinn]

Yeah, I think Tom's really tried to.

[Jonas Knox]

Honor that, really strictly and with all respect, you know, to the situation of, you know, concerns like you're talking about. And I think he's been really good.

[LaVar Arrington]

He has not been.

[Jonas Knox]

He is not planning games with us. He's not talking to us about anything other than our conversations that we have that are really. That are. They're random.

[Petros Papadakis]

They're not set up.

[Jonas Knox]

They're not structured in any way. And he knows he's very, very respectful.

[LaVar Arrington]

Of what he does otherwise.

[Petros Papadakis]

And.

[Jonas Knox]

And he's of the opinion that, you.

[LaVar Arrington]

Know, he doesn't want to be that.

[Jonas Knox]

Kind of a factor, and so he's not. So.

[LaVar Arrington]

And Pete Carroll is going to come out and say everything. The opposite of that.

[Brady Quinn]

Well, first off, can I ask this question? Has Pete Carroll built up enough credibility with everyone where we believe anything Pete says? Oh, what?

[LaVar Arrington]

Absolutely not. What do you mean, absolutely not?

[Brady Quinn]

It's like, hey, why'd you leave usc? Oh, you know, it's just a great opportunity. You know, timing and all that. For me, it's like, oh, because the death penalty is coming down to you, basically.

[Jonas Knox]

Isn't he teaching there still? I mean, is he still teaching?

[LaVar Arrington]

He ended up back there. Yeah, he ended up.

[Brady Quinn]

He came back. He left. He left for a long period of time.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, I know.

[LaVar Arrington]

Really long period of time.

[Petros Papadakis]

But he's.

[Brady Quinn]

I don't think he's teaching anymore.

[LaVar Arrington]

USC has not come back yet since, by the way.

[Brady Quinn]

Don't get all sensitive, Jonas. Don't get all sensitive.

[LaVar Arrington]

Sensitive?

[Brady Quinn]

Well, you know, what's wrong with you?

[Petros Papadakis]

What do you think?

[LaVar Arrington]

Came back. USC didn't. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying.

[Brady Quinn]

Yeah, that was more how it worked.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

So NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement that there are no policies that prohibit an owner from sitting in the coach's booth or wearing a headset during the game.

[LaVar Arrington]

Clearly, we got one in Indiana that's got her team undefeated right now.

[Jonas Knox]

She does. She's taking notes as well, too. Tom Brady was sitting in the booth in his capacity as a limited Partner. All personnel sitting in the booth must abide by policies that prohibit the use of electronic devices other than league issued equipment such as Microsoft Surface tablet for the sideline viewing system, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So basically, the league's like, hey, listen, relax everybody. He didn't break any rules. You know, he didn't break any rules here. But I'm just wondering if they were good, how much pushback would there be on this? Because this sort of feels like it's a little fishy, but they got wiped out and, you know, you, you kind of just shoo it away. But we made the point yesterday. If this was such a problem, why did we let it get this far down the road? If this is such an issue that everybody was going to be outraged by a national television, why did we let it get down the down the road this far and let him even be put in a position to where this has become a topic of conversation and concern from people around the league? That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. And the NFL is not going to come out and say, you're right, guys, let's go back on it. It just feels like we're too far down the road to do that at this point.

[LaVar Arrington]

Go I.Q.

[Brady Quinn]

Agreed.

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

No, I mean, again, we're beating a dead horse here. Like I kind of settled say yesterday.

[LaVar Arrington]

About this, Pete Carol's comments.

[Brady Quinn]

Well, Pete Carroll's comments are going to change anything. Like, you know, they, you're not putting the toothpaste back in the bottle or in the tube. You know, Tom Brady is going to operate how Tom Brady's going to operate and, you know, the NFL can say and do whatever they want, but if he wants to get information for a game he's doing, he'll find a way. If he wants to get information for, you know, the team he now partially owns, he'll find a way. Like, it's, it's. This is to me an old story because this happened as soon as they allowed him to do be both an owner and a TV analyst. So I just. What were you going to say? Like, what are we going to do to change anything or to even dissect this anymore? Because the only thing you can look at and say, you know, if Peyton Manning had taken an ownership stake in the Broncos, or let's say this becomes more relevant where more players are doing this, you know, is the NFL going to take a harder stance with those players? I guess. Is it just about Tom Brady being able to do both? Because He's Tom Brady.

[LaVar Arrington]

Well, the name Peyton Manning I think, holds just as much weight. So if the question would be, if it were to extend beyond guys like a Tom Brady or Peyton May, I mean, I would say those are two names that you're. They get to do what they want. There's what it is. Accept it. For what it's worth, Tate Manning, he can do what he want. I want to do Omaha Productions. There you go. He on commercials, doing, you know, flats fly paper type action, parachuting, Omaha, you know, stuff. Listen, there's a couple guys that are. And as they're. And let me say this, as there should be, there are some guys that have a con. I mean, Lawrence Taylor can do whatever he wants to do. Clearly. Clearly.

[Brady Quinn]

Right.

[LaVar Arrington]

All right. I mean, doesn't always have to be for good. You can't have good without evil, and you can't have evil without good.

[Jonas Knox]

He's calling a different game.

[LaVar Arrington]

I'm just saying there's some guys that are. They are football immortals and they can do what they want to do. Arch can do what he wants to do. Peyton can do what he wants to do. Tom Brady can do what he wants to do. And it's on different levels, but nonetheless, that's what. What exists. It's a, It's a weird conversation for me because you're never going to hear what the truth is going to be as it applies to certain people because it's on a level of clearance. You know how you have government clearance. It's on a level of clearance that's beyond what we're going to discuss. That's the bottom line. And whatever the truth of it is, it's never going to be made known to, to the public what the truth of the matters are that go on behind the scenes as it applies to what decisions are being made for Tom Brady or a guy like Peyton Manning. I truly believe that I'm. I've been around long enough to know. Yeah, that's beyond my, my clearance level right there. Like, here's where I get off. And I've seen that. Like, I've experienced it. I've seen it and it's okay. They've accomplished to the level where they've earned the right. They've pushed the game forward so far in so many different ways. Ways beyond what we even know things that they've been involved in to make the game better that we don't even know. So in, in some cases, in some ways, shape, form and manner, it's almost like they owe it to Them. Like, look at Tom Brady. You owe it to him to. To make sure he gets what he wants from the NFL. Peyton Manning. You owe it to him to make sure he gets what he wants out of what he wants to do in production or whatever it may be as it applies to the NFL. You owe it to him. So I don't have a problem with it. People need to relax on it.

[Jonas Knox]

What is your clearance level? Like, what would you be allowed to do with. Because you said that their clearance level is higher than yours. Like, what is your clearance?

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, I can say I. Yeah, you're allowed to do that. Like, no worries. You could say you played. I mean, because at one point, I wasn't. At one point, dad Snyder had. Dad Snyder had his minions hit me up and tell me. Yeah, you can't. You can't say you're a risk and great and forge your. Your football camp. Take that down.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, really?

[Petros Papadakis]

Damn.

[LaVar Arrington]

I got a cease and assist on saying red skin. Great. On. On a. A flyer for.

[Petros Papadakis]

For a.

[LaVar Arrington]

For a youth football cat.

[Jonas Knox]

Wait, really?

[LaVar Arrington]

Yes.

[Brady Quinn]

I love that, though. That's good for you. You need. You need that.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

You need that in your life a little bit. You know, just a little humbling experience like that.

[Jonas Knox]

How'd you get around that?

[LaVar Arrington]

I said f off. Stay great. I felt like. Like I didn't even approve the flyer. The people who did the flyer did the fly. I got astray. I don't even associate with. With the Redskins that. I got put on there again. I got a cease and desist. Like, bro, I don't even fool with y'.

[Petros Papadakis]

All.

[LaVar Arrington]

Like, what? I don't care. I did. I didn't do it. Why are you coming after me? I'm not even getting paid to do. I'm not even getting paid to do the cat. Golly.

[Jonas Knox]

I mean, you do have.

[Brady Quinn]

But they.

[LaVar Arrington]

They. I mean, clearance levels. I could say I'm an NFL. I could say I'm. I'm an NFL player if I want to.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, but being in State College with you, there's a. A clearance level there that's a little different. Like, Lee and I could do whatever the hell we wanted in State College because we were.

[LaVar Arrington]

No, you said it with Lavar.

[Jonas Knox]

What do you mean?

[Petros Papadakis]

No.

[Brady Quinn]

Hey, Lee.

[Jonas Knox]

What do you. What do you mean?

[LaVar Arrington]

Nope. I don't play that.

[Jonas Knox]

We were in the lash.

[LaVar Arrington]

You were in the lash. And Lee was really running amok in the last.

[Jonas Knox]

I saw Capelletti's Heisman.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, you saw it all. I can't believe Lee would do that, though, like, I'll never let y' all back in there. Just so you know, Lee. Lee disgraced our bathroom. And he walked around and was just looking around the area, like, rummaging. Like it wasn't. Like, it wasn't game day.

[Brady Quinn]

I was checking the trophy room.

[LaVar Arrington]

This dude was walking around. Jonas did Brady. It's game day.

[Brady Quinn]

I. I 100 believe this, by the way. It's.

[LaVar Arrington]

It's game day in the last. The last, you know, our football building, our. Our stronghold, our base, our mainframe. And Lee leaves the room while I'm on air, so I can't. I can't jump off the. The radio in the middle of talking and tell him, what the f. Are you doing, you dumbass. Get back in this room. Do you understand? Like, there's cameras everywhere. Like, literally everywhere. And somebody's going to come get you. Like, you're going to be in big trouble. And then that's going to in turn get me in trouble. And then now my access is going to be in. Well, no, it's not, but I'mma have to explain it, and it makes me look bad. This dude is walking around the building on game day, like, what are you doing? He comes back, like, casually strolls in, like, what are you doing, dude?

[Jonas Knox]

Least. Least tossing a football in the air.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, nothing, buddy. I just going. Looking around.

[Jonas Knox]

Lee's tossing a football in the air to himself. Like, what's that? Oh, it's a Joe Paterno game ball. He got his last win.

[LaVar Arrington]

I personally was hoping that somebody jumped on him. I was hoping they jumped on him and arrested him down the ground.

[Jonas Knox]

A mini bottle of Seagram falls out of his shorts.

[LaVar Arrington]

Secretly, I was like, I hope somebody grabs him up and escorts him out, because I'm not going to get him. I will not let him back in.

[Brady Quinn]

There is a part of me that I want Lee to have a good time, but once he starts going into that immature stuff, I'm like, kind of want to be here, too, when he gets arrested for it and just be like, I told you, Lee. I told you you need to make some life changes. You didn't listen. And this is what happens to you, Lee. This is what happens.

[Petros Papadakis]

How does Jonas get a pass?

[Jonas Knox]

He's with me on this, too. He's in those rooms. We're in the. We're at the bottom of the Hard Rock Stadium.

[LaVar Arrington]

Going past security. That was a little different. That's not. That's not our house.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, blame that.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's not Brady's house. That's not our house. Even though our families were in the house using it that day.

[Brady Quinn]

He's not as juvenile as you are, Lee. You know, you go out and it's like, hey, whatever happens, happens. It's like, next thing you know, and it's. You're off a curb. It's just the whole situation's weird.

[Jonas Knox]

And I also asked permission to get a coffee. Can I use the restroom? That's what I did too. Lee. Lee helped himself to the.

[LaVar Arrington]

Lee walked right on out. That's all I'mma say. Lee walked right on. Lee don't care.

[Brady Quinn]

Lee, boy. That's right.

[LaVar Arrington]

Lee don't care.

[Jonas Knox]

So what. What sort of clearance would Lee have if we went to South Bend? Brady? Like, what sort of would you. Would you take?

[Brady Quinn]

Well, they actually, you know, the atmosphere supposedly versus N was phenomenal. And that's in part because they just started selling beer in the stadium.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, sweet.

[Brady Quinn]

So I guess it was pretty lively from all indications. But I don't know. I mean, again, like I said, I would make sure that somehow campus police arrest him. And then we could just sit there in the cell and, you know, sit there and. I told you, Lee, this is a wake up call for you. Hopefully. He'd probably be like, no, man, I'm good. I'm just gonna chill here.

[LaVar Arrington]

Hey, buddy, that would be a dope show. Lee goes to jail. That'd be a dope ass show, man. Like, show how it led up to him going to jail. Make some friends then. Yeah, you would. I mean, it ain't like you'd be out of your element. He'd sleep on the floor, you know, you got top cot, like, probably not. You know, he's. He's used to sleeping in the nook.

[Jonas Knox]

To me.

[Petros Papadakis]

He has.

[Brady Quinn]

I'm sorry, what'd you say? He likes the bottom bunk, for sure.

[LaVar Arrington]

Jesus, Lee.

[Brady Quinn]

Lee understands way too much about Lee and his preferences.

[Jonas Knox]

Right?

[Brady Quinn]

Either we gotta open this thing up and be public about it, or you gotta stop chiming in.

[Petros Papadakis]

All right.

[LaVar Arrington]

I'm just saying she definitely does have really good chime ins.

[Jonas Knox]

She's got good.

[Brady Quinn]

Yeah, but she's, like, trying to. She's trying to put Leon blast. I think Lee's trying to, you know, keep things tucked behind the scenes.

[LaVar Arrington]

Lee knows what it's like to have a violent cellmate.

[Jonas Knox]

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[Brady Quinn]

He's not lyingly. He's not lying.

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah, yeah, I know. To work my way around.

[LaVar Arrington]

Hey, he's got a tough chin and a strong head. Exactly. He could take it. He could. He could Take a lick or two.

[Jonas Knox]

He's the Canelo of relationships. Dang, he ain't going down no ain't.

[LaVar Arrington]

Going down at all.

[Petros Papadakis]

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[Jonas Knox]

Has been a little bit of a disappointment so far this season. They lose to Georgia Tech over the weekend.

[LaVar Arrington]

My guy popped off, didn't he?

[Jonas Knox]

They are 1 and 2 and Davos Winnie. He has heard the complaints and he.

[Petros Papadakis]

Had this to say if they want me gone, if they tired of winning.

[Brady Quinn]

They can send me on the way.

[Petros Papadakis]

Because that's all we've done is win. So if they tired of winning, we've had. We've won this league eight out of.

[Brady Quinn]

The last 10 years.

[Petros Papadakis]

Is that not good? I'm just asking, is that good? I don't know if that's good or not.

[Brady Quinn]

To win your league, eight out of.

[Petros Papadakis]

10 years to go to the playoffs, seven out of 10 years being four national championships. Win it twice. Yeah, we look down right now. Take your shots. But I got a long memory, in case y' all don't know. No, we'll be all right.

[Brady Quinn]

We'll bounce back. This is a program built to last.

[Petros Papadakis]

Always has been, always will be. And I would just say if you give up on us after, if you don't believe on us because we've lost two games down to the last trade, and we're one, you didn't believe in us anyway, so it don't matter. You went all in anyway. If you're all in, you burn the ships, man. There ain't no exit strategy like you're freaking all in. And, hey, listen, I mean, the Clemson's tired of winning. They sent me on my way, but I'm gonna go somewhere else and coach. I ain't going to the beach.

[Brady Quinn]

Hell, I'm 55.

[Petros Papadakis]

I got a long way to go. Y' all gonna have to deal with.

[LaVar Arrington]

Me for a while.

[Petros Papadakis]

Got a long way to go. I'm just getting going. I'm just now good enough to be a head coach.

[Jonas Knox]

There you go, Flex. There you go.

[LaVar Arrington]

I mean, flex on.

[Brady Quinn]

He's not wrong. Seven out of the last 10 years made the playoffs.

[LaVar Arrington]

Flex on.

[Brady Quinn]

Eight of 10 won the conference.

[LaVar Arrington]

Flex.

[Brady Quinn]

13 of the last 14 years, he's won double digits, so 10 or more games. The exception of that was 2023, where they went nine and four. This is somewhere in the territory of, like, the Ryan Day, Ohio State fan base conversation. So many programs and schools, they'll want to fire these guys. And you know what they end up doing? They end up spending the next decade or more tried to find that exact same guy they would have killed for. So, Clemson fans, I get it. This is not the start of the season that you wanted. By the way, last year wasn't the start of the season that you wanted. You went nine and three. You end up winning your conference. You go to the playoff. I get it. You still won the conference. You still went to the playoff. That they still have very much of an opportunity to do that. It's a 1 and 2 football team that has not played its best football. You don't want to play your best football right now. You want to play your best football in November, December, heading into the playoff, the teams that get hot are the teams that end up ultimately playing for the national championship. That was Ohio State, without a doubt, last year. And then you can make the case that was Notre Dame.

[LaVar Arrington]

You can't make that case.

[Brady Quinn]

Like, I'll go to the other side of that conversation. Like, we've already talked about Notre Dame this week. But, but, you know, if you look at some of these teams that have losses and the fan bases are panicking, the fan base is what these coaches fired. They just started the season. Do you think upending a coaching staff or a head coach, whatever the case may be, do you think that's a good idea for these players? Like, then what do you think's going to happen? You're going to have someone else start over, call the defense? Either someone else start over as the head coach. How do you think that's going to go? To me, it's always unbelievable. Like, literally, it's almost impossible for me to comprehend how fans get like this so early into a season. And yet you literally watched a team last year in Ohio State, they lost Oregon, they got beat down by Michigan at the end of the year, went on a hot run, a national championship, and they turn right back around and they'll complain about something the following year. It's wild, man. So let me just point out one thing real quick, because this is. We haven't got to it. I'm pretty sure we're not going to get to it based on how our rundowns have gone. But, you know, coaches have already been fired. Brett Pry, former DC At Penn State Lavar knows him well. Yeah, average attack, he's gone. You know, you could look at a situation like that and you say, well, why do they fire him so early in the season? Deshaun Foster, head coach at ucla, why is he fired so early into the season? He got a year and then some games, handful of games, not even. Well, the reason's this. There's a thought with some of those places that that's twofold. A lot of the players, you know, if they want an opportunity to go somewhere else, they can. So if you, if you do it before week four of college football, those kids who've played could still maintain a red shirt year if they have one. So that's one school of thought.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

The, the other thought is they want to get a jump on the next head Coaching search. And they want to get that person in place as soon as possible because they haven't changed the transfer portal windows, they haven't changed their early signing period. So not only do you have to deal with the rest of the season, which is, you know, foregone conclusion at this point, you're already starting to find the next guy to build a staff to get the recruits not only in high school, but also the college level, etc. So that's all expediting this entire process, which means there's even more of a need for changing the college football calendar, the transfer portal windows. So we're not looking at, you know, putting so much pressure on these coaches where they, if they don't win out of the gate, then all of a sudden, you know, they got to move on, which ucla. And I think you'd admit for anyone who watched the second half of last year, they got better. That was a better team last year, the second half of the first half the season. So, you know, is it unfortunate? Was desean Foster the right guy for ucla? I don't know. I mean, I don't think he had enough time. I could, I, I could honestly say that Brett Pry at Virginia Tech, I don't know. I mean, if those guys don't get four years to get their entire, you know, class of recruits in and develop, etc, how do you really know? But this is the society we live in now. We don't get the results we want right away. We just want to move on.

[LaVar Arrington]

Brent Proud is a fine coach, man. He'll, he'll land on his feet. The. Sean, I don't really know too much about his coaching pedigree. I know him as a player and I know him as a man. He's a dope dude. As a man, great family man.

[Brady Quinn]

Those.

[LaVar Arrington]

Kids, I know this because that was one of man's final schools that, that he looked at. So I got some extensive time with him and the coaching staff on campus. The, the coaches and the players alike really respected him like at a very, very high level. Anytime I've ever been around, you know, coach, Coach Brent, Brent Pry, he's always been a very well respected person by, by his, by his coaching staff and by his players. I feel like that's. If the players, if the players ride with you and they believe in you, to me that that's the biggest, that's the biggest tale of the tape is, is what's the respect factor for you as a person and if people admire you when you're not around and they, they respect you and they have great things to say about you when you're not around. That speaks volumes to me of the, the person that you are. Then comes the conversation of how does that translate into being the coach that you need to be? And, and I feel like that's always going to be the most complex question to answer because there's so many different ways to gauge and measure what being a successful coach is. You know, the, the interesting thing is there's so many times that everything is based off of winning and losing. I was just watching a clip on Coach Paterno just randomly popped up on my, my algorithm. But what up, Joe? Which was watching a video on, on him. And what it really made me think about and, and what it really made me feel is, and coming into this topic is that the one thing that people don't pay attention to and it doesn't resonate with them because generally speaking, they only care when, when you're forced to care is the development of these young men. And if you have a coach that is graduating his players, if you have a coach that is teaching his players how to tie a tie, put on a suit, make sure that they're presentable for, for a job interview, make sure that they're on time, not only for, for doing things that are athletic, but making sure you're on time for class. There's a rule with, with Penn State players where when they check on you, you should be there early enough to be sitting in the front of, of the class. No matter how big the class is. It doesn't matter if it's 200 or if it's 20. You guys should be there early enough to be sitting in the front, front of the class. So when we're making these judgments about these coaches and what they don't do and how they don't win and, and it becomes so much about winning and losing. I find it to be kind of interesting, the dichotomy between how we view these coaches and what they're tasked to do at the college level as it applies to wins and losses. When we start to get into conversations like the nil, like, when we start to get into conversations like these kids being treated as, as professionals rather than being treated as students, because if you're looking at it from a true perspective of treating them like students, then some of these coaches that people call for, you don't have to go any further than the conduct of the players that they have and what their accomplishments are on and off the field. That would give you A really, really warm and happy, happy feeling about what's taking place there. But that doesn't matter, right. All that matters is in the end if you win or if you lose. And sometimes I feel like, you know, that gets lost thought I throw it out there.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. It's almost like the game has changed to where it's no longer. It's just, are you winning? Are you? We need immediacy. We need results right away. And you know, on the Davos Winnie thing, the reason the. The Dabo Swinney stuff, because we've talked about it, James Franklin fans that don't appreciate James Franklin and the success he's.

[LaVar Arrington]

Had, they love to hate James.

[Jonas Knox]

Right.

[LaVar Arrington]

Just tied Rip Rip Angle, the coach that, that was before Joe Paterno. He just tied him on, on, on the wins list.

[Jonas Knox]

But go ahead. I mean, I could on a small level understand. Well, you know, they've seen national championships with Joe Paterno, Ryan Day. They've seen success there with Irvin Meyer and at the program. Like Clemson's never had an ERA anywhere close to this, like ever. Not even close. They won one national title and I think 81. Other than that, they've never, like, they've never sniffed this before. And here we are, they've got off to a slow start and it's already like, well, there's gotta be a change. If Dabo Swinney was on the open market, he would get hired in 20 minutes. Like he, like they would hire him immediately, some other program. So it just, it feels like it. It's become big business now and there's a lot more voices outside of just the fanatical fan bases of these programs that are making decisions.

[LaVar Arrington]

And you know, I know it's way more complex. You got the transfer portal now. It's just. You got the nil money. It is way more complex to start over with a coaching staff than it's ever been, ever. That is a, that is a very, very big decision when you let go. Now if it's a new coach, that's, that's a little bit different. But you talk about an institutional type of coach like a Dabo Sweeney. Good luck with that. Look at what's going on with Alabama. They are going to have their hands full trying to figure out post, post Nick Saban era there.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, they would hire Dabo Swinney.

[LaVar Arrington]

Well, there you go.

[Jonas Knox]

He played for Alabama.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yes, he did.

[Jonas Knox]

Like he played for Gene Stalling. So they would hire him up immediately if that was the case, like to bring him in. So yeah, I just.

[LaVar Arrington]

It's going to be difficult to fill positions of guys who have been institutions, pillars to some of these programs and. And people are going to find out the things that you wish for. You got to be careful sometimes, stuff you wish for because you just might get it.

[Brady Quinn]

There's gonna be a lot of people who disagree with this. Maybe you guys disagree with it. I. I also think this is a small piece of, like, the influence of social media where, like, everything we see in life is, like, the best of. With that person. It's. It's success, it's winning. It's the best of everything.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yep.

[Brady Quinn]

It's like you don't see those moments of despair, those moments of, you know, heartache, tragedy, or how, how much it took to get to the success or how much it took to climb that mountain. I think that's a byproduct of this where, like, fans have an unrealistic expectation because one, none of these, especially young people, know history. Like, no one, no one reads history. And then the other portion of it is they don't face that sort of adversity to then get them to understand, like, what it takes. And so even for a program like Clemson, you know, if this was, you know, one of those years where maybe they take a step back, okay. Like, it only builds for the next season for a number of those players who are coming back. And you can make that case for a bunch of programs, Alabama to get off to as hard of a start as they wanted to. Now they look like they're, you know, right back in it now. But, you know, same thing for Notre Dame, you're sitting there owing to right now. All right, so. So what? Like, go try to take one game at a time, see where you get by the end of the season. Like, no one said it was going to be easy. And that's the problem is that it almost feels like everyone feels like it's just supposed to go how the script is supposed to go. It's. It's kind of. It's wild to me. But if Clemson were to move on from dabo, sweetie, there would be maybe the greatest mistake ever made by a school of college football history. Like, it would for sure be up there. I'm trying to think of others, but this one sticks out more than any other right now.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. Yeah. I can't think of anybody else as far as, like, there's been some questionable firings. Like, we've brought up, you know, Nebraska and Bo Pelini a bunch of times, but, yeah, nothing to where a coach has had this much success.

[LaVar Arrington]

No, not. I don't think anything.

[Jonas Knox]

Anytime a coach that's had this much success leaves on his own.

[LaVar Arrington]

He flexed on him, too.

[Jonas Knox]

He makes a decision. They don't make the decision for him because if they do, they look stupid, like it's him that moves on. Nick Saban decided, I'm moving on. Like, I'm out of here. And he did it with LSU to go to the NFL and then did it with Alabama because he just got tired of everything. Like, it just, you don't, you don't see this on the flip side. So it feels like a long shot that would happen.

[Petros Papadakis]

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[Petros Papadakis]

Hello hello hello.

[Jonas Knox]

How we feel Petrus Are the Panic brothers out yet? For for the Dodgers struggles games against.

[Petros Papadakis]

The Phillies it's pretty bad. I mean the Dodgers bullpen is really bad. I mean the starters are great and they go scoreless and then the bullpen just blows it. The Phillies are a lot like the Dodgers. They hit a lot of home runs and they bonk those balls out of there late in the game. Extras 2 nights ago last night the Dodgers blew it again in the ninth. I wouldn't say the Panic brothers are out. I mean the Panic brothers have been out. But I would say that they have to go to the wild card and it's not going to be an Easy path to the World Series if they're going to make it back. And we need the money, so we'll see how it plays out. But it is interesting to watch because, I mean, people said the Dodgers were going to win 120 games. That was supposed to be the greatest baseball team of all time.

[Brady Quinn]

Who said that? Joe Davis said that. Who said that?

[Petros Papadakis]

There's a lot of articles in town and the LA Times and stuff with the way they built the team going into the season. And when they started, I think they were like eight, no, nine, and, oh, it looked like they weren't going to lose a game all year. And it certainly didn't play out like that. I mean, they'd been competitive and good and they probably will still win the division, but we'll see what happens without that bye week. Maybe it'll be good for them without the bye week. Who knows? But their bullpen is terrible and it's, it's, it's hard to know what's going to happen with any of these guys. Tanner, Scott, Kirby, Yates, all these guys they sign in the off season. They're getting their boobs scooped out like Baskin Robbins every time they go pitch. Damn.

[Jonas Knox]

I mean, they're really getting their tees.

[Petros Papadakis]

Lit, if you know what I'm saying.

[Jonas Knox]

Taking Ohtani out with a no hitter going, how did that land with you?

[Petros Papadakis]

Well, you know, they took out Tyler Glass now the other night with a no hitter. Glass in like the seventh. Yeah. And he was like, you know. Well, I understood why they took me out. I've been hurt. It's like, don't you want to pitch a no hitter any? I mean, I, I don't know, but whatever. I mean, we're waiting for the playoffs. They all have bigger fish to fry with the great football season underway. And we'll see what happens in the wild card round. We'll gear up and get all excited about it. I don't know if they'll send me whoring out that I have a new boss now. If the Dodgers lose early in the playoffs, usually I have to really it out like, like do a lot of BJ shows and things of that nature to make.

[Brady Quinn]

Who's. Who's your new boss?

[Petros Papadakis]

I. A guy named Brian Long.

[Jonas Knox]

Good man.

[Petros Papadakis]

He's fabulous. But when our old boss, Don Martin, you know, if the Dodgers lost Big Dog playoffs. Yeah. Which they did for a long time, then I have to put on my silk stocking and get my leg out in the gutter tank and make some money in the final quarter. Of the business year. Dang. But this year I don't have to. I. We'll see. We'll see what happens.

[Jonas Knox]

By the way, the one year.

[LaVar Arrington]

Who is that fine pizza? Oh, oh, that's Petro.

[Jonas Knox]

The one year the Dodgers got eliminated, you guys had to do an impromptu.

[Petros Papadakis]

Oh, yeah, that party. Yeah, we had to do like a. We got to make up 112, $20,000. Y' all are going to do a Christmas party. Party of tarantula. It was going to be mostly advertising based. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so we'll see what happens this year. But it's always. It's not just a job, it's an adventure.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, gosh, that is hilarious. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Q.

[Brady Quinn]

Go. I was going to transition from that job to a job that is now open as the head coach of ucla. Just take me through the timing of all this. This Petros. Because it feels a bit early to just kind of throw the towel on a guy who. I get it. His opening press conference could have gone any worse. But that team did improve the second half of last year.

[Petros Papadakis]

They did.

[Brady Quinn]

Why no grace Give it to Deshaun Foster to start this year.

[Petros Papadakis]

That's an interesting question. I think that UCLA was in a big, big problem a couple of years ago. At the end of the year, UCLA finished like 77 and 5 when they very easily could have been, you know, like 10 and 2. And the fan base was really, really frustrated and everybody wanted Chip Kelly fired. And Martin Jarman, the AD at ucla, didn't do anything. He just didn't do anything. And. And Chip Kelly went on to beat Boise State in the LA bowl and they finished with eight wins and nothing happened. Chip Kelly wasn't recruiting, he wasn't motivated. He was not getting along with anybody at the university. So at that point, if you're Martin Jarmond, you either find a way to get along with your multimillion dollar head coach, find a way to make the relationship work, as that is your job as the athletic director, or fire him. And he didn't do either. He didn't fire him. He didn't repair the relationship. Next thing you know, Chip Kelly takes a better job. That happens to be the coordinator job at Ohio State. And then they go on to win the national title. And now he's getting paid even more to call plays for the Raiders. Three field goals worth on Monday night. So they. Martin Jarman dropped the ball with the relationship with Chip Kelly. So then what did they do next? You know, there was. Timing was weird, but he still didn't lift a finger. And they hired DeShawn Foster, their running back coach, UCLA Legend, a guy that I played a lot of football against when I was a kid. Desean Foster, great guy, Bruin legend, good recruiter, I guess, running back coach. But nobody would have hired DeSean Foster to even be a coordinator, let alone be a head coach. It's just no one would. No one else. Whatever you think about DeShawn Foster, no one else was going to hire DeSean Foster. So now Martin Jarman hires DeSean. DeSean was clearly, and you just mentioned the Big Ten. He was clearly uncomfortable doing the job. He was aloof. He was unhappy answering questions about anything, which is fine if you win games. They did improve a little bit last year. Ended up losing to USC and didn't make a bowl game. But you're right, the team looked like they wouldn't win a game to start the year and they did get a little better. But this year, you know, it's one thing to have Utah come out and beat you in game one, but you lose back to back games to Mountain west teams and the Rose bowl is empty, which it always is anyway. Now that's a real big problem. So they went ahead and fired him. And they have 10. Tim Skipper, who was a good interim, well, a serviceable interim, knows how to do. He did it last year at Fresno because Jeff Tedford's health problems caused him to step down. So it's just been overall a very, very mismanaged situation. And DeSean did himself no favors to start this season off, pissing off the very soft LA media. And you know, if you piss off the media early in the season, you build no equity with them and you lose two Mountain west games. They were going to pile on him and they did. So he ends up making $17 million in a job that no one else would have hired him to do. And now no one has any confidence in the ad. Everybody wants him fired. So who's going to hire the next head coach? Plus the fact, and I saw this text or email or whatever it is, a tweet from Josh Pate, an ex post the college football expert. And what he said was painfully true. Most of the people getting mentioned for the UCLA job have better jobs and most of them are coordinator jobs. UCLA is in a tough spot and there are solutions for the UCLA football program, but they're dramatic solutions. And a lot of people on the west coast like see this as karma because they feel like UCLA was one of the, one of the deciding factors in ruining the Pace PAC 12. The deciding factor in ruining the PAC 12 was Larry Scott, who drove the thing into the ground for a decade plus. But there is no doubt that UCLA is a national embarrassment and they're supposed to be a lot better at football or pay more attention to football, and they don't.

[Brady Quinn]

I'm sorry to follow up, but I would love to know, you know, their move to the Big Ten is. Netted them more money from the TV meteorites deal. So why have they not been able to apply that more to sports? It seems like they don't have a collective. They haven't done very well being able to kind of build that up. If they're, if they're, I guess, alumni and fan base is so robust they can complain about the move to the Big Ten. Why can't they stop bitching and why can't they step up and support their sports programs?

[Petros Papadakis]

Well, I mean, I think it goes, first of all, UCLA hoops is doing fine, right? Mick Cronin and men's basketball, which they are blue blood. There's no doubt the history of John Wooden, the Jim Herrick championship. Mick Cronin's doing great. He doesn't have a problem raising money for nil. And he is the best, one of the best college coaches on the west coast in any sport. So he's been able to transcend the athletic departments in eptit. The football program has not. And you're right, Brady, they have a big earner in their football program and yet they don't know how to utilize it and how to capitalize on it. Strange. That's. Well, it's been a long time thing at ucla. Even when I was younger, the UCLA mantra was, look at how many championships we have in all these sports. You know, high jump, women's volleyball, you know, all this different stuff, which is great. But all of those sports exist because of your football program. All of those sports exist because football makes money and funds everything else. So show special attention to the football program. If you're playing football at UCLA because of the pecking order of the world of athletics and who makes money, you should probably feel a little bit more important than the women's softball team, which is just the softball team, because they don't play men's softball. So why don't they. And that's always been a problem there. The other problem, and I had a big thing on the show yesterday about it, is their stadium. I mean, just the Rose bowl is empty. A big stadium is, is.

[Brady Quinn]

Is not Rose Bowl Petros. It's so. I'm incredible.

[Petros Papadakis]

It's a Rose Bowl. Well, you're right.

[Brady Quinn]

The history.

[Petros Papadakis]

It's a great.

[Brady Quinn]

The parking lot that surrounds it. Have I recorded this story, by the way?

[Petros Papadakis]

No.

[Brady Quinn]

My sister used to tell me she always used to go run to the Rose Bowl.

[Petros Papadakis]

A lot of people run around the Rose Bowl.

[Brady Quinn]

Yeah, well, okay. Exactly. But I thought, like, she got inside to the stadium and ran up the stairs and ran. Exactly. So I didn't know that this. So I go to the Rose bowl and I'm like, trying to get inside. They're like, yeah. No, people just run outside. I was like, in the parking lot?

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

People. People just are running outside around the stadium. I was, this is stupid. I just drove 45 minutes out of my way to go run in a parking lot.

[Petros Papadakis]

Well, it's not just a parking lot. It's the historic Arroyo Seiko. It's beautiful. The Rose bowl is a great surface. It's a great college football venue. But it's a terrible optical thing for ucla and it's terrible for recruiting and it's terrible for advertising, and it's terrible for business that they just can't fill it. They can't fill it halfway. The last guy. And they used to get a 60,000 fan attendance pretty regularly throughout my childhood and all that. Terry Donahue, Bob Toledo, Jim Mora with Brett Hundley. I mean, they got people in there. But now that ship has sailed. Post pandemic, the dream of getting 60,000 people at the Rose bowl is over. They're on the quarter system as a school. The kids. The kids need to be able to walk over to the game.

[LaVar Arrington]

Agreed.

[Petros Papadakis]

And going to SOFI would not solve that problem. The drive from Inglewood to Westwood is.

[LaVar Arrington]

Is.

[Petros Papadakis]

Is not much better than the drive from Westwood to Pasadena. I mean, it's really not. Especially once you get into Inglewood and try to get into that stadium and they wouldn't, it doesn't solve the problem. Now they should follow. I know that they're supposed to be historically a bigger program than these teams I'm about to mention, but they should follow this. I mean, they won't do it because it's a UC system and everybody's too stupid and everybody sucks. But they need to follow the formula of Houston, who was swallowed up. Their atmosphere was swallowed up. No one cared about Houston football playing in the Astrodome. Then they move, I think it was to Robertson Stadium, closer to campus. Case Keenum and stuff like that. They have success and now they built another on campus stadium. And obviously they've moved up into the Big 12 and Willie Fritz is there. And then speaking of Willie. And they transformed the identity of their program. Tulane played in the Superdome from the 70s for like 30 plus years, swallowed up by the Superdome. None of the kids that go to Tulane in the dark Garden District in New Orleans would travel down and go to the games in the city. None of them. It was swallowed up. Their atmosphere was swallowed up. They built an on Campus Stadium. 30,000 seats beats two lane. It sells out in 15 minutes for games. Two lane football is once again, Willie Fritz showed up there, won a hundred games. They beat USC in a Cotton bowl and they just beat Duke at home in front of 30,000 Tulane fans. Their program has been transferred, transformed the identity of it because they built an on campus, smaller stadium and created some atmosphere here. UCLA has an on campus stadium that they could redo. Drake, the kids could walk over. Now you mentioned the Rose bowl and its history and all that. Brady. Fine, every other year they, and they still have a contract with the Rose bowl to like 3000. The year 3000. So play USC every other year at the Rose Bowl. When Ohio State comes out here to play, play in the Rose Bowl, Michigan, Penn State, whatever Big Ten super king comes out, then fine, play, play them at the Rose Bowl. But the other five or six home games, play them at home. Give it a shot in the arm for Westwood Village and the eateries and all the stuff there that's been destroyed by the pandemic. It used to be a thriving university community. It's not so much anymore. And I think that would solve a lot of their problems. But, but they're too stupid. I mean, I didn't even know who they're going to hire to be the head coach, so. But I do feel like an on campus stadium like Houston has done, like Tulane has done, would really, and they have it there, would really solve a lot of UCLA's problems. Because I just. In the modern times in Los Angeles, nobody's getting in the car to drive to these games. And it's a terrible look for their program that there's literally like 12,000 people there in 100,000 seat stadium. It's a very hard thing to overcome for them. So I think they need to do that. And Troy Aikman's been saying they need to do it for years. It's not like a new idea, but now is the time to change the landscape. And I just don't think they have the leadership within the athletic department to do it a Lot of people also blame the old chancellor at ucla, Gene Block, who's not there anymore. They think of a new chancellor, Julio Frank, I think is his name. And Block, you know, kind of wasn't that into sports. And it shows. Anyway, that's the answer.

[LaVar Arrington]

You know what's curious about what you said in terms of not being smart enough? UCLA basically says they take the players that well would make it into usc, and that's. That's what separates rates, the two. You know, they. They.

[Petros Papadakis]

Damn.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, they don't. They don't want the guys that can make it into usc. They want the guys that can go to uc. I mean, that's always living out here. That's kind of like a running joke. Like, that's like a running thing. Like you guys won't take the best athletes.

[Petros Papadakis]

I mean, I got into Berkeley, but probably wouldn't have got into ucla, which is crazy. Yeah. Which is bad. Berkeley, I mean, they're. They're very similar schools, but Berkeley's a pretty reputable academic institution. And, you know, it's funny how Stanford, like, wouldn't even look at my transcript. And USC said it, they had some problems with it. UCLA was like, no effing way.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's crazy.

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah, it is interesting. You know, that's kind of changed the academic part of it. I mean, Nico Iamaliava got a couple Fs at, at long Beach Poly and he still ended up in college.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, right. And speaking of games. Games, your alma mater is taking on Michigan State. They're undefeated as well. But you and Oregon, you know, you, USC and Oregon are out to 1o starts in the conference. How you feel about them taking on the Spartans of Sparta?

[Petros Papadakis]

Well, I saw. I mean, the Trojans versus Spartans. I mean, that is the Trojan War. That is Achilles and Odysseus, you know, that's everybody. Paris, Helen of Troy.

[LaVar Arrington]

I thought it was Odysseus. Odysseus, Yeah, I thought it was odc, but I defer to you, obviously. But I thought it was.

[Petros Papadakis]

Well, I mean, people mispronounce. Okay. I mean, it's not. I wouldn't really call it a mispronunciation. Okay. I mean, people call it the Oracle at Delphi. It's Delphi.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Petros Papadakis]

You know, whatever. Yeah. I saw Michigan State to open and I love that head coach Jonathan Smith. It looks as if Aiden Chiles is playing like he was the number one quarterback in the transfer portal two seasons ago. He is really athletic. Effortlessly flicks the ball out there. They have a beautiful wide receiver in Nick Marsh, the, the big strong wide receiver, Detroit kid, he's a great athlete, you know, draft pick type of receiver. And they've, they've transferred in some other wide out so that he's not completely double bracketed or whatever throughout the game. So. And they have a good looking tight end, Jack Velling. They have two serviceable backs, a big one, Tullis, who runs that big stretch zone that Jonathan Smith likes. They've improved a lot on the offensive line, defensively, pass rush, secondary. I don't know if they're that good, but they're going to play a lot of different guys and platoon and try to figure it out. This will be a big test for USC because Jonathan Smith knows about the west coast, he knows about usc, he knows how to coach in that stadium. He beat them there with Oregon State for the first time in decades. He went down there and beat him with tight ends and with, with superior play calling and good balance. So I believe Michigan State will come with that. USC's looked okay. I mean Purdue moved the ball a lot. I think it'll be a shootout type of game. But USC's look great with a couple of wide receivers. Jacobe Lane and Lemon look spectacular and the quarterback looks pretty good. But this will be a big test and I wouldn't be surprised if the Spartans don't win it.

[Brady Quinn]

Petros, I want to transition the NFL. Rams are 2 and oh, Chargers are 2 0. If you had to place money right now and which one of those teams making it in the playoffs, making a deep run, which one would it be?

[Petros Papadakis]

I mean they both look like they could right at this point. I mean the quarterbacks playing well. Justin Herbert looks great and, but you know.

[Brady Quinn]

Yeah, but there's got to be one that's like, you know, the thing about.

[Petros Papadakis]

Khalil Mack, just like his arm just fell off.

[Jonas Knox]

Right?

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah. And then, and Rayshawn Slater did an interview with us in, during camp and then like literally hours later his leg fell off. It's hard to not feel bad about that. You know, you're like, hey, congrats on the contract.

[Jonas Knox]

Ah, yeah.

[Petros Papadakis]

So sorry.

[Brady Quinn]

Are you the mush? Are you the bad luck?

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I mean every Dodger believer we talk to, the guy goes out there and gets his chest scooped out, you know. But so with, I mean their best defensive player and arguably their best offensive player are both both out for the year, it looks like, or for a long. I don't know what, what they said about Khalil Mack, but that didn't look good. So that's. That's not a great thing for the Chargers. But Harbaugh is a good coach. Everywhere he's gone, suddenly the team has balance. Suddenly they. They seem to be motivated in a different way. And even though McVay is just insufferable to listen to, for me sounds like a guy doing an imitation of Jon Gruden. And he's a really good coach.

[Brady Quinn]

And he just tore his plantar fasciitis.

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah, I'm gonna have a little bit of a limp, you know, kind of a swaggy lip guy. Shut up. But he's a good coach, man. And the Rams, they look really good. And Stafford, you know, turns out that he doesn't need a backyatomy. His back is. Okay, so that's a really good question. I mean, I would say the Rams are more proven under McVay to make a deep playoff run. The next time the Char make a deal off. Deep playoff run in my lifetime will be the first. I mean, ever since they played in the super bowl against Steve Young. I mean, that's the last time at the Ass Wax. Yeah. I mean, that's the last time I really. The Chargers have really threatened. I mean, Philip Rivers and Ladanian maybe. So the Chargers are the ones that's more like Missouri. Show me. But. But the Rams, they. They. They've had sustained success under McVeigh and Stafford and his annoying wife. And it's hard to poop my friend Puka Nakua out of BYU via Washington and committed to usc. So I'm sad to say it's probably the Rama Lama Ding Dongs.

[Jonas Knox]

Petra.

[Petros Papadakis]

Speaking of the Rams, I'm a Rambassador.

[Jonas Knox]

Are you. Are you calling a game this weekend?

[Petros Papadakis]

I am.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. Colorado State utsa.

[Petros Papadakis]

I'm not good enough to call a game every week. Weekend. But I'm good enough to call a game this weekend.

[Jonas Knox]

Who do you got?

[Petros Papadakis]

Colorado State UTSA. UTSA's got the best. The. The number one or the leading rusher in the country.

[Jonas Knox]

You've got a.

[LaVar Arrington]

He's not as good as he once was.

[Jonas Knox]

Are you gonna get to see your favorite mascot up close?

[LaVar Arrington]

He's as good as he's gonna be.

[Petros Papadakis]

He's more machine than man now.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Petros Papadakis]

Twisted and evil.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Petros Papadakis]

Robert Henry Jr. Yeah. Bob Henry out of Mississippi.

[Brady Quinn]

Bobby.

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah. He's. This guy's already. He's averaging 10 yards of carry. Only five. Nine. But like a big stride. And all the McCowns have come through this. Coach Jeff Traylor at UTSA yeah, UTSA is really interesting. They have Owen McCown, who's son of. I believe he's Josh's son. So he's the quarterback. And I love Jay Norvell. I've always loved Jay. He's a great guy. And his. His quarterback, Fowler Nicolosi is the guy who got in a fight with Shador last year. He's one of the better quarterbacks in the Mountain West. And.

[Jonas Knox]

And your favorite mascot up close and personal at Colorado State.

[Petros Papadakis]

Oh, yeah. Cam the Ram with his big hairy ball.

[LaVar Arrington]

Cam.

[Petros Papadakis]

What? Have you ever seen Cam the Rams ball sack?

[LaVar Arrington]

No.

[Petros Papadakis]

Oh, you could not believe it.

[Jonas Knox]

Just a duffel bag.

[Petros Papadakis]

He's just coming out. Coming out of the mountains. He's coming out of the Rocky Mountains, just ready for return of the sack. Dang. Oh, my God.

[LaVar Arrington]

I've learned something. I'm today years old when I've learned this.

[Petros Papadakis]

I knew this. I remember doing Colorado. Colorado, the. What do they call it? The Rocky Mountain Showdown at Mile High. And Ralphie the Buffalo, who is a female because they can't. A male buffalo.

[LaVar Arrington]

They couldn't be able to hold.

[Petros Papadakis]

It could just barrel. I mean, they can barely hold the woman back. And Ralphie does the run, which is one of the great things in college football and probably totally inhumane, but. And. And a little bit safer. A little safer at Mile High because it's got a thicker sideline than. Than Folsom Field. It's pretty tight quarters at Folsom Field when they run that buffalo. But they run the Buffalo and then, you know, Colorado State literally has like a goat, and they're like, you know, this. You know, this thing like running with his belt, you know, And I just saw a picture. Oh, yeah, I just saw the picture. You know, and they call him Cam the Ram because Colorado State used to be.

[LaVar Arrington]

They call him the Ram for some. Something different.

[Petros Papadakis]

Yeah. Colorado A and M. So Cam C a M. Dang. You got a big.

[LaVar Arrington]

They got a statue of it.

[Petros Papadakis]

It's like, you can't sit there. You can't have like a. A castrated goat. You know, you got to have its balls.

[LaVar Arrington]

You ain't coming to look.

[Petros Papadakis]

Especially since the other school in the state has like a. A female mascot. Really full.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, it's like the Ram and the Beaver, huh? Sitting on some guy shoulders.

[Petros Papadakis]

Just giant balls.

[Brady Quinn]

By the way, on. On old Bobby Henry did. He ran well versus an M. Like everyone. It's not like. I know they play in the Carter word, but he's a stud.

[Petros Papadakis]

No, he's gashing everybody for long, long runs. He's a home, you know, it's one thing and he's a physical back and you know, he gets his five yards when you need him but he's, he's, you know, he's a home run hitting back which is really what kind of stood out to me last year with Ashton Genty. You know, he, he was getting down the field and he had a plan when he was down the field.

[LaVar Arrington]

But, but yes, Cam Duram is a home run hitter.

[Jonas Knox]

He is.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah.

[Brady Quinn]

Well, I, I've just provided a photo to you boys that's more realistic. The one Lavar sense. Not really.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, gosh.

[Brady Quinn]

So.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh my gosh. Petros be kidding me.

[Jonas Knox]

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