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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Ryan
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Lavar Arrington
Show on Fox Sports Radio. It's a Memorial Day out there. Hope people acknowledge what it's actually about. The barbecues, all that stuff is fun. But what it's actually about and what those lost souls meant to our country and all that hope. We take time to to appreciate that. We are going to take time to first acknowledge that apparently the New York Knicks are not ready to just lay down and give up here. Lavar Arrington. They're not ready. They have now made this a series for now and they come back, pull off a comeback win of their own. Allah. What the Indiana Indiana Pacers did to them in game one and game two and the Knicks get it done by on the road in Indiana somehow, some way and bring the series to 21 in the Eastern Conference finals.
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Ryan
Being the son of a vet that almost lost his life in Vietnam. Always want to make sure I take my time, especially being on air on Memorial Day, to make sure I do honor and remember our brave men and women who, who paid the ultimate price and, and made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom. So I just want to say I'm, I'm so appreciative and I'm so happy and, and proud to be the, the son of, of a military vet, proud to be a part of generations of, of military service members who have taken pride in representing our country and fighting for our freedom. So I would be remiss if I didn't say that quickly. Thank you to all the memories of those who live in our hearts and our minds that gave us the right and the opportunity to have these freedoms just to talk on the radio and to talk sports. So thank you to all of you. Enjoy your day. But just Remember to remember those that not only are gone and have given their lives for our country, but those who are still here because they, well, they need our attention and they need our love more than anyone. So make sure you hug a vet today, make sure you show him some love and enjoy your Memorial Day. And it was not a Memorial Day for the New York Knicks. So to get to your point, you finally saw a team that had to I guess feel the pressure of, of the series coming to a unceremonial, unceremonious end. It did not look like it was going to be a good series. It looked to be the same Yesterday's game as the Indiana Pacers took took the lead and was up quite a few. I believe it was a 20 point deficit that the New York Knicks erased. I'll say this, Indiana did it to them. You know, New York was up. New York had the opportunity to win the game and they choked on it. And now you saw the Indiana Pacers proverbial choking take place in yesterday's game. They had a game, this was an opportunity being up by the amount they were in by to basically put, maybe put the stamp on it, you know, put, put the toe, toe tag on, on the Knicks. The Knicks fight back. Carl Anthony Towns look like two different people in the game. Jonas first half it was like come on, what are you doing? Probably need to bench him, probably need to just leave him there and just see what's going to happen. And then in the second half cat fueled them and and it only goes to serve the purpose of what the conversations have been since they made of, you know what Randall going to Minnesota and Towns coming to the Knicks is that Carl Anthony Towns has to play like an all star if this team is to have a chance to win this series and to have it remotely any chance of not being a sacrificial lamb in the next, in the next series.
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Lavar Arrington
So Carl Anthony Towns, as you mentioned, he had the monster fourth quarter which fueled the comeback for the Knicks. And he spoke afterwards about what went into his performance.
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Saquon Barkley
I saw opportunity to utilize all those hours I put into the gym and game wasn't looking great for me as well, but for all of us. And I just wanted to do whatever it takes to help put us in a position to win. And like I said, it's just, it's a testament to my teammates, you know, having trusted me and giving me, you know, putting me in spots where I could succeed and utilize my talent. So it's just testing, you know, shout out to the guys in the Locker room. You know, this is a great team win, but we got it. We know we gotta be better than we were tonight if we expect to find a way to get another one.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah. I mean, so he has to put.
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Ryan
Himself in better situations to have better games earlier.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah.
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Ryan
I don't know how you feel about it. He has to do that.
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Lavar Arrington
It's, I mean, this is a wonderful moment for, for the Knicks and for that fan base. This is great. And, and, you know, now it makes sense why they celebrated the way that they did after they beat Boston. I feel the setup because, because they. That it was over. And this is a fun story and it's great that we're going to get TNT with another game. We're going to get another opportunity to see the NBA on TNT again, which we've grown with over the past couple of decades. But you watch the game last night and I don't know if anybody else sees this the way I see it, but I look at the game and I go, Indiana is by far and away the better team. They're deeper. Even though Tibbs, you know, adjusted his lineup, adjusted his rotation, he put in Mitchell Robinson, he took out Josh Hart. All of that being said, I find it hard to believe that Indiana comes out and goes cold in the second half like they did last night at home. I just don't see it happening. This is going to play out the way it played out against Cleveland for Indiana. They lost game three at home, they came back in game four, they annihilated the Cavs and it was over. So this is a fun story. It's fun. The Knicks fans finally got to see their team win an Eastern Conference championship game. But that's a wrap, folks. This is done.
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Ryan
It's over.
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Lavar Arrington
And I just. You just watch the game and not the, you know, the, the, the parts where Indiana is struggling to find a shot. Like even their like shot selection offensively, it just looked weird. It, it didn't look like what they were normally doing. And I don't know if it's because they got comfortable. I don't know what it was.
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Ryan
They still went up 20.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah, I just.
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Ryan
So what you're saying is true. That's so damning because they still, in a game where you felt like they didn't do as well as they should have done, they still went up by 20. Yeah, it's the fact that they gave 20, I guess to your point, it's the fact that they gave a 20 point lead away.
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Lavar Arrington
They just kind of didn't. It look like in the, in the second half they were just kind of lackadaisical possessions. They were just eh, whatever. Just almost like playing with their food. Like well, yeah, no. And then all of a sudden they're down 2 and it's late and it's like, no, now you need a shot from Siakam to try and tie the game. And now they're in a battle. I just, I think they respond and I think they hammer the knicks in Game 4.
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Ryan
It's possible it could play out that way, but it is also the idea of. That's exactly how the Knicks. You could probably say the Knicks lost their first game. I would say the second game was the one game where I'd say Indiana was won that game. But the first game, that was the Knicks game. They let that thing get away. And it is what it is. It happened the way that it happened. And they have to live with it the same way Indiana Pacers have to live with the way they let yesterday's game get away. Too close to being up 3 0. And we all know being up 30 in a series is almost like a death sentence to the series. Now you get that one victory and you overcome crazy circumstances, crazy odds to get to that victory. This is now a gut check for both teams because the New York Knicks, they got to do it one more time in Indiana just like Indiana had to do it in New York. If they're able to pull this series even in the next game, if they're able to pull this game even in Indy. This is a series and I don't know it's. And I don't know that it's a series that Indiana can pull out if they hit a tailspin where the Knicks get to take it back home with a 22 tie. Now I do believe it'll go to 7 games. But with that being said, it now turns into not a cruise control series for the Indiana Pacers with everybody talking about how what this roster is and they're the eastern version of the OKC Thunder and this is going to be a great matchup in the, in the NBA Finals even though nobody's going to watch it because it's not great markets, I guess that, that want to watch the game. It's not the big markets. It's not the Boston Celtics versus the Lakers or anything like that. But with that being said, I don't know that Indiana can get out of this series alive if they do not put this game, this, this game five away or game four. Excuse me, I do not Know that if they don't win game four that they can get out of this series. Now it ties even and it's anybody series and I get that. But I think the emotional mental kind of impact that that would have on a team, they're going to have to find a way to suck it up and they're going to have to find a way to get out of the series even though they are the better team on paper. Jonas say this. Carl Anthony Town said his teammates got him in position to, to take advantage. I'll say this. If he decides that he wants to be the player he's supposed to be and not chuck up all them three pointers and stay on, on the outside and on the perimeter and play that soft ass style of basketball at times that he's been known to play and he puts his head down and he plays like a big man that can shoot from the outside but can score on the inside and make things uncomfor. Almost like a jokic, like, like a different version. But I'm just saying same type of skill set. You could shoot from anywhere on the court, but you have the size and the ability to be able to do it on the inside. If Carl Anthony Towns takes away from that game that he can do that in any of these games, the Pacers are in trouble and the team they play, they face after the Pacers, if they were to win the series would be in trouble too. But that has to be a, a big if that comes to fruition with Carl Anthony Towns being the catalyst, obviously Brunson is going to be the facilitator and you got to have the different guys that, that, you know, Bridges could have had a better game. You know, Anobi had a good game. He could play better. There are guys that could play better. Mitchell Robinson could play better. There are guys that could have played better in yesterday's game for the Knicks as well. So this could turn into a serious matchup.
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Lavar Arrington
Your point is spot on about if Carl Anthony Towns just stays in the post or back, he can get a basket at the rim anytime he wants. And they were talking about it post game and that's sort of Shaq's frustration with him and a lot of people's frustration with him. That was, you know, last year. It was Anthony Edwards frustration with him when he spoke about it afterwards after games for the Timberwolves last year. He can score in the post whenever he wants. He can get a basket there whenever he wants. Now that being said, in watching Carl Anthony Towns over the past Couple of years in the playoffs. What do you think is more likely to happen this next game since he was dominant down low against Indiana? That he does it again or that he starts chucking up threes again? Because I'll take the ladder. He's going to start question threes again. That's what he does.
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Ryan
But, but if he sees it on film, like Carl Anthony Towns is a very cerebral guy, right? Super intelligent dude. And you know, if you, you see what you're capable of doing on film and I know they're going to get the opportunity to watch this game on film and go over it and study it and that coach and his teammates have to sit there and they got to be like, cat, we know you love shooting that three ball, bro. We know you love that long game. Pause. But you got to take it on inside my guy. Hammers Willie, you gotta take it on inside my guy. Hey, Cat, you gotta be the big cat and you got to take it on inside. And I think, I think he's going to come out and I think he's going to, he's going to try to push that thing inside and be, be a little more. He's just not, he's not a Shaq. I can understand Shaq's frustration because you have, you have more skill shooting the ball than Shaq does. I mean, you're not as dominant and as dog as. As Shaq is in playing on the inside. But you have the size and you have the ability to be able to do some of the things that Shaq did down low in that post. Especially in an outside game, NBA, where you're looking at an Indian Pacers team that plays very, very good perimeter defense. Take it down low, Cat, do what you need to do. And you might have the opportunities to shoot those threes. But I think him shooting all of them threes was the reason why they got down so bad. Like he just chucking it up like, bro, at least give us that, that, that grimy, gritty dog type of, of approach to the game early on in the game. Let's establish that we can early on in the game because like you said, both teams didn't seem to be hitting shots. It was poor shooting. And if you're having poor shooting, you should be putting points on the board the old fashioned way, which is get as close to the rim as you possibly can. And if, if Carl Anthony Towns, to answer your question, if he is willing to take on that weight, which why wouldn't you be, why wouldn't you be willing to take on that weight. If he's willing to take on that weight and really assert himself and apply himself in a big man's type of form. Not in the outside, shooting three pointers all game and never going down low. Seven footer. No. If he applies himself and asserts himself, this could get bad for Indiana. Will he do it? I'm gonna say I'm. I'm 5050 on on the fence.
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Lavar Arrington
No you're not.
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Ryan
He's going to try to shoot outside.
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Lavar Arrington
Yes, he is.
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Ryan
He's going to. He's going. He's going to shoot outside first before he decides he's going to have to see if he's missing first before he decides he wants that smoke down low. I agree with you.
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Lavar Arrington
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Lavar Arrington
You know, some people have said, are you guys, you know, what is this like a Memorial Day takeover of the Dan Patrick Show? I mean, kind of, I guess. I mean, that's what our, that's what our job is here. That's what our duty is. And apparently there's another takeover that's happening and it's the NFL continuing their takeover. And the takeover is holiday and holiday action and holiday action when there happens to be another league who's had that holiday all to themselves for several, several years now. So much so that Jason Kelsey was on his New Heights podcast talking about how he's a fan of the NFL playing on Christmas and on these major holidays and had this to say.
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Ryan
I'm also just a fan of playing on more prime time times. Like, that's when I'm watching TV and I like it when football's on the television. So let's keep putting good football games on television when everybody's watching. I mean, I think it's just good for the game. Keep taking over all the holidays, we're taking over Thanksgiving, Christmas, NBA. You're never getting that back. I mean, it's, it's the way it is.
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Lavar Arrington
And he's 100% correct.
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Ryan
He ain't lying.
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Lavar Arrington
They're never getting it back. Yeah, like, once the NFL realized, I'll wait, like this is doable. Yeah, we're going to go ahead and take that, too. And then it, you know, became one game and two games and three. And it's just, this is where we are. And I don't know what the plan would be for the NBA, but if you're the NFL. And by the way, for those of you wondering, well, it's just because it, you know, Christmas falls on certain days of the week. No, it's over because Christmas is a Thursday this year, a Friday the year after, a Saturday after that, a Sunday, a month. Like, it's going to be a long ass time before anybody can make the argument that, well, depending on the day of the week it falls, it's not great for the schedule and the players. The NFL is going to take this over and it's going to be theirs moving forward.
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Ryan
I mean, what else is there to say? You know, Kelsey nailed it. And, and I think you, you, you put a bow on it if it's good football. And, and listen, I look at it like this. During, during the holiday season, the one thing that you get yourself Set for during Christmas time, pre Christmas, post Christmas and, and New year is college football. So if we're being honest, I don't think about the NBA on Christmas, maybe Christmas Day. You, you're right. But I don't think about the NBA. I think about college football and I think about bowl games. And now that you had the playoff, it now makes it even more intensified getting into that, that corridor of, of the year coming to an end and rounding it out by having, you know, Christmas and then New Year's. So if you're putting on a quality football game from the National Football League and that's on on Christmas day, hell, if you put two, three games on on Christmas Day that are quality matchups of the National Football League, I can guarantee you guarantee that you're going to have a tremendously large viewing audience of those games that are taking place.
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Lavar Arrington
Totally agree. Yeah, I, and I look at it and I go, if you're the NBA, I mean, what do you do?
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Ryan
You just keep trying to chuck along, you know, chuck them up like, like Carl Anthony Towns and hope something goes in.
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Lavar Arrington
It's just, you know, like for example, you know, the, the Christmas schedule for the NFL coming up this year. Cowboys, Commanders, Lions, Vikings, Broncos, Chiefs, like all of those are compelling matches.
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Ryan
I watch all three.
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Lavar Arrington
Every single one.
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Ryan
Anything else?
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Lavar Arrington
Every single one.
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Ryan
There would have to be a dope ass bowl game on and that game, I would even be switching in and out to all the games depending on what the times that are are playing.
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Lavar Arrington
And I'll be honest with you, if you like, who do you think the two worst teams in the NFL are going to be this year? Like if you had to right now? Guess.
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Ryan
The Saints.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah.
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Ryan
And maybe the Browns.
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Lavar Arrington
Okay, if the Saints and the Browns are playing on Christmas, are you watching that? Or an NBA game? I'm watching the NFL game. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just.
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Ryan
I, I don't know. It depends on really. Give me the matchup of the NBA game. Give me the match over the NBA game. Then give me what best case scenario?
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Lavar Arrington
I mean look, I mean if you wanted, you know, best case scenario, you know, maybe it would be a, you know, a Thunder Celtics matchup or. No, I mean Tatum's going to be out for majority of the year. So let's say Thunder Pacers, NBA Finals rematch. I'm watching rematch. I'm watching Saints Browns.
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Ryan
I'm watching the Saints Browns. It's, it sounds more interesting. It sounds more intriguing. What, what's at stake in December for the NBA for them NBA games, nothing. What's at stake? I mean we're, we're heading into June, you know what I mean? Like we're heading into June and basketball, NBA season is still going. I don't see there being enough importance to. You don't. Again, I don't believe the NBA has a player right now or players outside of you being a avid NBA fan, avid sports fan. I do not believe the NBA has the type of player that can drive the viewership the way that you've had it in, in decades, past, generations past.
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Lavar Arrington
Let me, let me paint this scenario for you. All right? Just imagine the NBA to counter program does that rematch of the NBA Finals and it is Pacers and Thunder and the NFL. Just this is example. This is not the matchup, but this is the worst. If you had to pick the two worst teams in the league and the NFL rolls out Tyler Schuck versus Dylan Gabriel and would do better numbers than the NBA showing a rematch of the Finals.
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Ryan
But I think it classically comes back to the way the popularity has been grown and the way the popularity has been built.
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Lavar Arrington
100%.
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Ryan
National Football League has always made it a point to make the Shield the most important branding that takes place. Not to mention guys wear helmets. So you can look at a matchup, but you'll ultimately find the reasons why that is an intriguing matchup, even if it's two trash teams. And it's also because the NFL doesn't play nearly as many games as the NBA. So it's almost these days, which is one of the best things that the NFL could have ever done is these days they've made every game matter more and they're continuing to figure out ways to reward the teams that, that take every single game and every single week. Take it seriously. Like you know, you're not sitting there like ah, you know, well, there's more games to be played. We, we will be fine. It's almost taking on the same type of characteristics in some ways in regard as, as college football. And that's the reason why we love college football so much, historically speaking of course is that you couldn't lose if you lost. That meant that your season was in jeopardy, jeopardy after one loss. Now you can lose one, maybe even two games and get into the College Football Playoff and who knows what happens there. We had a two loss team win the championship this year, correct?
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah.
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Ryan
Yeah. So at the end of the day, I think that there's a level of, of intensity and the, the Shield does an excellent job of creating this intensity. And passion for consumption of, of the talent that's going out there on the days that they're playing. And you're right, you only get so much time with the game. Like people be going through and I'm one of them. We be going through like, like postseason, like fallout, like, like withdrawal, like I, I did. I love the fact that the players get an opportunity to play in the UFL and try to make it into the NFL. It does not quench my thirst for football, NFL college. It does not. It still feels like there is a departure from what life should be like when football season is not here. And to be, to have been able to create that type of buy in from a consumer, man, that's an ultimate product. And it's very hard, it's very hard to fight your way back from, from that type of established fandom and viewership and buy in to a, a particular league, a particular sport.
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Lavar Arrington
So there's this old saying that nobody cares about your fantasy football team. Like it just in, in general, when, when people start complaining about their fantasy football team, it's what like, man, nobody cares. I don't want to hear about your fantasy team. You know who does care about your fantasy team? The NFL. Because I think fantasy football is as much to do with this as anything because it's basically gambling. And it was the, the, I guess the, the show before the gambling show started was fantasy football. So that was sort of your appetizer to get you into what gambling could look like in the NFL. These games late in the season like that, on a Christmas, you could look at a Saints Browns matchup, just for example. That's not going to be the matchup because the NFL realizes those teams are terrible. That's why New Orleans and Cleveland don't have a primetime game. But you could set that game up and there's going to be an audience because somebody's going to have a player from one of those teams on their fantasy team. Somebody's going to have money invested in it. They've just done more to make the sport presentable and interesting to people even if they don't have a team. And we've talked about this before, you and I grew up, it was like you had to have a team who's your team. And now and you've made the point because of fantasy football, it isn't about that. Your team is your fantasy team. Yeah, like, like, listen, that's cool. You know, so and so plays for this team. Like he's not on my team. That's what's important and I think the NFL recognize that and the NFL's taking advantage of that. And I think fantasy football and gambling is the biggest reason why they've just continued to take over. Because you could put any matchup you wanted on and counter the, the NBA's matchup, whatever it is, whatever interesting storyline the NBA thinks they have. More people are going to watch the NFL because the NFL has done a better job of making their product and their presentable and interesting to the consumer. And that's why they've seen the spike.
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Ryan
In the numbers and there nothing you can do about it. You don't have a Michael Jordan that can combat a Walter Payton. You don't have a Shaquille o' Neal that can combat a Ray Lewis. You, you don't have a Kobe Bryant that can combat a Peyton Manning. You don't, you don't have the star power. And that's no shade, I promise. That's no shade towards, towards the, you know, SGAs or the Anthony Edwards in, in the league, the Jason Tatums or whoever else you have as the Giannis or the Yokages. It's no shade, I promise. They just don't have the draw that a Shaquille o' Neal had. You had an opportunity with Shaq, you had an opportunity with Kobe, you had an opportunity with MJ and Scottie Pippen and even the Mailman, like by, by market, you know, Magic Johnson. You had the opportunities to have a captive audience and a large, tremendously passionate viewing audience when you develop those brands. But you're, you're at the risk of having strong branded players in the NBA versus a strong brand, the Shield, that continues to prove that even if Peyton Manning leaves, even Tom Brady leaves, even if any of the best of the best players that play in the National Football League retire and are done, this league just continues to grow more and more and more and they're finding more ways to, to expand and they build that off of the brand of the Shield and that might have been the best asset created by the NFL owners. And, and, and what we've watched Paul Tagliaboo start and, and, and have watched Roger Goodell continue to grow and build. It's just, it's, they have created something so strong that they continue to widen the gap between other sports, at least domestically.
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Lavar Arrington
And also to your point on Goodell, I don't think he gets enough credit because a lot of it's, you know, it's the cool thing to do boo the commissioner like, you know, like the cool thing to do is boo the commissioner. You know, when, when G. Hetman comes out on the ice, they boom. In the NHL, you know, like Rob Manfred gets booed. And he said he said some dumb things before in the past, but that's the cool thing. Goodell gets booed, all that stuff. The one thing you can be critical of, maybe the way he handled punishments and the NFL having too much say when it came to off field crimes. And, you know, there was obviously the, the mismanagement of the Ray Rice video and what happened afterwards. All of that is fair criticism. He did not do a great job. But if from a business standpoint, he's hit it out of the park, like from a business standpoint, there's a reason why the owners reelect him every single time. Because he has had an eye to that, to your point, and he has recognized there's an ability to grow the game and to cater to an audience that if we do that, we will far surpass any other quote, unquote, competition that's out there. And I think that's what's happened. And he deserves a lot of that credit as well.
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Ryan
Well, you hit it earlier and I'll just end with this. The, the. The mic drop is Goodell being able to be able to incorporate and implement gambling and it being a legal deal where you're able to do it, they're opening up sports books in the arenas, in the stadiums. Now, that's probably the singular pat on the back that a boy that Roger Goodell gets from these owners because it has probably taken revenues up significantly in terms of what they're able to bring in and what. What they weren't able to bring in. But it still was out there and it still existed, Jonas. Now they're able to bring that into their doors and add that to their bottom line. So, yeah, I mean, the things that they've done, the things that Roger Goodell has done have been very strategically sound, very intentional in purpose and placing. And it's working. You're seeing it work. As you mentioned, you've created a larger fan base based upon fantasy football. People who aren't even serious football fans still get involved with fantasy football. So even if it's not an aggressive way, a passionate way of getting involved with the game, you still have people that are passive, passive fans that are still getting involved with the game because fantasy football brings them together. It's like a night of Sorry or night of Monopoly or whatever it may be. You know what I mean? So it's super smart, man.
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Lavar Arrington
And by the way. Speaking of. Sorry, Lee Dilap is our executive producer here. Lee, how many fantasy football leagues are you in each year?
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Lavar Arrington
Okay. Like, he's a degenerate. I mean, and by the way, he still hasn't paid anybody for. I have paid them all.
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Ryan
He said he paid it all. He said he. He holds the money, people.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah.
- [40:02]
Ryan
And if I. That's a league I would never enter. I would never enter a league where lead the Lapp holds the money for the prize winners. Just wouldn't happen because that's a bad mistake. Right out the gate, you're already off to a bad start.
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Lavar Arrington
Because if Lee Da Lapp's holding the money, that means at some point, Prestige Liquor in Burbank is holding the money. That is very true.
- [40:22]
Ryan
But it's just layaway. It's just.
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Lavar Arrington
That's the bank.
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Ryan
That's the bank that's holding the money.
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Lavar Arrington
By the end, I'm just hoping to win and not. So I don't have to pay out. Yeah, right. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning until noon Eastern, 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app.
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I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here. And I'll say it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.
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Lavar Arrington
It is time to get back into the discussion that has run roughshod over the NFL and sports media over the past several weeks. And it was the Tush Push. Was the Tush Push gonna be banned? Were they gonna get rid of the Tush Push? Well, apparently somebody who doesn't even, like, really play a key component to the Tush Push. Saquon Barkley. He was on the Exciting Mike's podcast, which is just a phenomenal name. Cooper De Jean Reed Blankenship. The Exciting Whites. They have a podcast called the Exciting Mike. Yeah, they're called the Exciting Whites. Oh, okay. Yeah, nice. They said it, not me.
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Ryan
No reason to hate on them.
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Lavar Arrington
They are exciting and they're white.
- [46:09]
Ryan
Well, there you go. Both accurate.
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Lavar Arrington
So Saquon Barkley, their teammate, was on their podcast and had this to say about the potential of the Tush Push possibly being banned before it was overruled.
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Saquon Barkley
But the banning thing of it, I think it's kind of. I think it's soft, to be honest. Like, the teams that want to ban it because everybody can do it. Like, it's not like a play that, like, we only can do, everybody can.
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Lavar Arrington
Trademark.
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Ryan
Yeah.
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Saquon Barkley
And there's just. We happen to have one of the best and biggest O lines. And Jalen hurts can squat 600 pounds. Like, that's not our fault. Like, Josh Allen is super big. They're not successful as it. Lamar Jackson is one of the best running quarterbacks of all time. They're not successful with it. So it's not something that, like, everyone can't do.
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Lavar Arrington
Right.
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Saquon Barkley
So, like, them try to eliminate it. It's just like, I think that's kind of lame.
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Lavar Arrington
Yeah. Soft asses trying to get rid of the Tush Push. Think about that. Hubar. See about that.
- [47:02]
Ryan
I mean, he ain't. He's not wrong. If you can't beat him, join them. So basically what you're saying is, is that in that play, in that formation, the Philadelphia Eagles are bigger, stronger, badder asses than you are. Everybody who's against it, all you're basically saying is you're conceding the fact that the Philadelphia Eagles are bigger, stronger, and better at doing. Doing this play. Than any other team. And we don't want to see them do it because it's an unfair advantage to the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Lavar Arrington
Can I ask you a question? If the Titans did the Tush push, is there even a discussion about it getting banned? I think part of this is because it's Philly and because they're a bit obnoxious at times and they're a bit boisterous at times about how they do things. And you got their head Coach calling it 1st and 9 whenever they get the ball because they're just going to get that final yard. If it was, if it was fire, right, it's great. But. And if it was, and if it was Tennessee or another organization that wasn't as loud, I don't even think this is even being talked about. I don't think people would care.
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Ryan
I think it is, and I think it is talked about just because of the nature of the play. But the intensity of it, the different storylines that have resonated from it are purely because it's Philadelphia, it's purely because it's Nick Sirianni, it's purely because of this team being. It fits the reputation of the city of brotherly love. So to me, I think it's a perfect storm play for, for the market for the team. What Philly represents, I mean, it's a tough, gritty, hard nosed, you know, city. Anybody who knows about Philadelphia, they, they know about the different boroughs and the different, different areas, you know, of a Philadelphia, the suburbs, the. The inner city parts, they know about all of it. And everybody has a certain way of how things are done. And most would say, most would say that it is a very, very edgy, very gritty type of place. So this play is the perfect fit for what the Philadelphia Eagles represent to their fan base. So I don't know, man. I tend to agree with Saquon, though. If you got such an issue with it and you feel like it's not a stoppable play, why don't you adopt first and nine? Why don't you adopt the ability to be able to run the Tush push knowing that you can get one yard, at least one yard when you need it, whenever you need to get it. Why wouldn't you adopt that?
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Lavar Arrington
First and nine, that's. That means so great, so great putting.
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Ryan
It on the table.
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Lavar Arrington
Say, this is what we're doing. Dare you. We dare you to try and stop it. This is what we're doing. It's first to nine. Just so you know, like, but. And I. And I Watch it. And I go, this has really become the, the biggest talking point of the NFL off season as far as on the field stuff goes. And it was this. And then it turned into this heated debate where you've got, you know, Jeffrey Laurie, you know, doing a comparison to a teenage boy's wet dream and all that. Like, Philly's just. They're in a place right now where they know they're the champs. They're going to let everybody know they're the champs. And I think next year they're going to go out of their way to make an example of people with this play. And we brought up the possibility of this.
- [50:52]
Ryan
They haven't already.
- [50:53]
Lavar Arrington
Oh, yeah. But we brought up the possibility of this on our show. That they open up the NFL season against the Cowboys. I would not surprise me. The first chance they get, first down, say at their own 25, 30 yard line, and they're just going to go tush push on the first play of the season just to stick it to the league and stick it to everybody else. To say Quan pointed out, you know, all, all the lame asses out there who are soft enough to vote against it. Like, I think that's the way Philly's going to handle this. Like, they know, look, we may be on borrowed time eventually. They're going to want to try and get this taken out of the game. While we've got it, let's go ahead and stick it to everybody for as long as we can. Feels like something they would do. That feels like an Eagles move.
- [51:36]
Ryan
I mean, why wouldn't you? And it don't look like they slowing up. Like, look at what they. They're doing personnel wise. Like, they ain't slowing up. So don't think that they're just going to go quietly into that good night. They're not. You gonna have to deal with us, you know, I mean, them, you know, I'm Pittsburgh dude, but I do love PA and I do rep Philly, but you're gonna have to deal with the Eagles, man. And that's just. It is what it is. They have a, A very, very nice. Like this is what you got to say. Because you can't limit them to just being one play, right? The Philadelphia Eagles just won the Super Bowl. People like, quick reminder, they just won and they knocked off them boys. And I ain't talking about Dallas. So when you look at what they've been able to pull together and it hasn't come void of. Of drama, hasn't come void of adversity. But adding Saquon to, To this team was the single biggest move in all of the National Football League in my estimation. Having what they already had on the defensive side of the ball and continuing to add as some of the guys like Brandon Graham retiring, some of these guys leaving, they are so deep with talent that looking at them, it's. It's almost crazy to think that, that most of these guys are literally on rookie contracts, man, and, and having the ability to grow your team and figure out where to. To, to, you know, mix and match or where to fill in and plug in the gap. They're not just plugging in the gap with, with serviceable players. They're plugging in the gap with guys that are coming out of college that are perennial Pro Bowlers, perennial All Pros, just talented players. So the storyline is much bigger than one play with Philadelphia. It just becomes a funny story, a funny conversation if you ask me. Because it's almost like you, you know, the people who are having such an issue with this play, it's almost like you have an issue with the Philadelphia Eagles or somebody that's a part of the Philly. Maybe it's Big Dom you got an issue with. I don't know who it is, but you got an issue. And you're trying to paint this picture like the Philadelphia Eagles are only good because of one play.
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Ryan
You could not be further from the truth of reality in terms of what this team represents. It is a well built team. It's turned into a well oiled machine, Jonas, so to say it's one, one play. Like, oh, you do away with the Tush push. You're doing away with the Philadelphia Eagles success. Yeah, try that one. Try that one out. See how that one ages.
- [54:29]
Lavar Arrington
And by the.
- [54:29]
Ryan
I don't think so.
- [54:30]
Lavar Arrington
Do you think because you're, you're a brander, all right, you're all about branding and, and you know, putting, putting a stamp to make it official and get it coverage and making it grow. Yeah, I'm talking about, yeah, Stick city. Stick City, Logger city. Yeah, getting, getting a little logger here soon, but it's coming. Like if you're Anthony Barr, okay, And.
- [54:53]
Ryan
You'Re something for this.
- [54:54]
Lavar Arrington
I mean, he, he came up with it and he's nowhere to be found. Like he's the inventor of the Tush Push. And this was back when, you know, he was with the Vikings in 2018. He's a linebacker. He's not even on, on offense. It's his idea. It's his brainchild. And he gets none of the love, like, none of the credit whatsoever. If I'm Anthony Barr, I'm pissed. This is my invention.
- [55:18]
Ryan
What you gonna get out of it?
- [55:20]
Lavar Arrington
Yeah. Can he get, like, anything?
- [55:22]
Ryan
No, you can't. You can't. You can't make money off of a play. Like, I mean, it would be cool if he got money every time it was, you know, if he was smart enough to maybe purchase the rights to the name. I wouldn't be surprised that the name is still available. Somebody might be looking it up right now and parking it. It might still be available because you just wouldn't assume that you could, you know, monetize.
- [55:49]
Lavar Arrington
I mean, I. I preferred the brotherly shove personally, but, you know, the tush push. You know, people, you know, teach their own. That's what. That's what they like.
- [55:58]
Ryan
But what was the official original, though, do we know? I don't know that he gave it. Did he give it a name or did he just say this type of play. You can't, because I remember hearing the audio of him saying it on the sideline. But did he give it a play in particular? Like. Like, for instance, why am I blanking on his name? The defensive end, big defensive end. Deacon. Deacon. Why was I blanking on Deacon Jones? All right. Deacon Jones comes up with the sack.
- [56:32]
Lavar Arrington
Oh, yeah, right.
- [56:33]
Ryan
And he coined it. He coined the phrase sack the sack. And they started keeping it as they. They said Deacon Jones might have had 2, 300 sacks. Nobody knew about it because they didn't keep that stat. And they started keeping the stat after he was talking about sacking the quarterback. So if you did it in that way. I see. I don't know if Deacon Jones was making money off of the work word sack, but imagine every single time they said the word sack, he got a residual from it. I mean, that would be pretty dope. I don't know if that exists here in this situation. Not sure.
- [57:09]
Lavar Arrington
He just watched Bruce Smith games and get paid every time. Every time Bruce made a play.
- [57:15]
Ryan
There's a lot of them out here, man. Sacks are what? Sacks are just as good as. It's. It's like a rank, a number two ranking of a touchdown. I would assume a sack is. It's up there. It's up there. I mean, you think about it, the most prized defenders these days are guys that get sacks. Maybe even more so than interceptions. I would say more so than interceptions.
- [57:41]
Lavar Arrington
If you just. You could be playing an awful game if you got one sack a game.
- [57:46]
Ryan
That made your game like you're going.
- [57:48]
Lavar Arrington
To the hall of Fame.
- [57:49]
Ryan
That makes your game. You get one sack. If you can touch on a quarterback one time in a game and they say sack, you've done well.
- [57:57]
Lavar Arrington
That's a, that's a brutal existence for an offensive lineman, though. Like he shut a guy out for 99 of the, of the game, but he got that one time and because of that, he's going to the hall of Fame.
- [58:08]
Ryan
I mean, if you average one sack a game, that's 17 sacks, right? 17, 18. How many games is it?
- [58:15]
Lavar Arrington
17, 17.
- [58:17]
Ryan
17 sacks, bro. You get 17 sacks and you have a 10 year career. You do that, man.
- [58:23]
Lavar Arrington
I mean, one every two games and you have a 10 year career, you're approaching 100 sacks, you got a shot at being going to the hall of Fame. That's. It's crazy, man.
- [58:33]
Ryan
Like, I mean, you're in the conversation.
- [58:35]
Lavar Arrington
So listen, Anthony Barr, we're trying, man. Trying to get you paid.
- [58:40]
Ryan
We gave you some pops.
- [58:41]
Lavar Arrington
We tried, all right? But the, the Eagles have taken it over.
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I get right back there and it's bad.
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Lavar Arrington
Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of biggest names in music and sports.
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Ryan
This kind of star studded a little bit, man.
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Ryan
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Ryan
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