Dan Patrick (2:33)

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Dan Beyer (2:36)

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Doug Gottlieb (2:37)

Good morning to you Dan Patrick show here on FOX sports radio, the iHeartradio app. Welcome in along my dear friend Dan Beyer, Jason Stewart, the esteemed producer of the DG show, as well as today's Dan Patrick show, joining us as well. And I won't be the first, I won't be the last, but I can't wish you a happy new Year. New Year's Eve brings us a reaction to last night's Monday Night Football game, which was entertaining. And of course, we had a notable injury to a very notable figure for the defending NFC champion San Francisco 49ers. And it gives us football today or tonight as we have the first in the second round quarterfinals of the College Football Playoff. And I think it's actually the perfect game. So we got a lot to get to. But first, Dan, this is, this is always a good time in the morning when you wake up to go, hey, let's, let's look back at last night's Monday Night Football game. Gave us a little bit everything got a hook and ladder, which was not, you know, is a great trick play for a touchdown in the first half. Exciting ending. And then you have a Brock Purdy injury. Like the, the biggest takeaway, maybe your mind is what from that game.

Dan Beyer (3:46)

Well, it's actually Brock Purdy's injury. But to your point of the Lions, not only are the Lions saying, yeah, we're going to play our guys in what is a meaningless game for us, what really matters is week 18. Not only are we going to do that, we're going to run a trick play that I don't know if they've used other times this season. I know they've done a bunch of other stuff, but let's throw that one on tape for Minnesota to worry about. They, they just don't let up. And that's, that's the crazy thing. They could have came out there with a vanilla playbook, had Jameer Gibbs maybe play a quarter, but now they went full throttle the rest of the way, almost lost the game. But the biggest takeaway is the Brock Purdy injury, depending on the severity of it, which we don't know right now because lost in all of this is that, well, we thought that the Lions should pack it in last night and not do anything. Maybe it should have been Brock Purdy. Maybe Brock Purdy should have just sat these final two games for San Francisco just because of his contract. Sit. And what could be ahead for him in that regard?

Doug Gottlieb (4:48)

Yeah. So we don't know. And if you look online. Right. But the fear obviously is in the throwing elbow, right. Which was. Or throwing potential throwing shoulder. And when you have a guy who they don't have to extend him at the end of this year, right? He has, he's under contract for another year. They don't have to. But when you think of what's out there, Kirk Cousins out there, right. And then you have Sam Darnold, could be, will be potentially out there. Cousins obviously played for Kyle Shanahan in Washington and Sam Darlin started a couple games last year replacing Brock Purdy due to injury like this. This completely changes in many ways the perception of what's going to happen this upcoming off season for Purdy. I mean, look, I don't think he bought all of those Toyota Tacoma TRD trucks, but probably not. Probably not. But if he did, like we're talking minimum 50 times, I think eight to 10 offensive linemen. I don't know if you can't buy the backup. So if it's 10, like you're going to drop 500 grand when you make less than a million. There's that thought like he is expecting a payday. He has been told there's a payday coming. And now what do you do if you're John lynch and you're like, yeah, I, I can't do that.

Dan Beyer (6:14)

Yeah. What even complicates things now even more is if this is significant. And again, we don't know image.

Doug Gottlieb (6:21)

We don't know. It's really, really important because how I don't want anybody to think you, if you woke up, you just turned it on that we know it's a significant injury. We have no idea. Go ahead.

Dan Beyer (6:30)

Yep. No, that's all right. But I think that we didn't question Brock Purdy's health considering he came back from the injury and didn't miss a regular season game the next year from it when he was hurt against the Philadelphia Eagles a couple of years ago, the whole debate about Purdy has been is Purdy good enough? Is it Purdy or is it all the weapons around him? Ricky Pierce saw last night, had a great night. You know, stat wise, the Niners couldn't get stops on defense, which is probably their biggest problem. Purdy did have some bad turnovers. There is the knock on him of are you trying to do too much? But ultimately, Doug, now all of a sudden injury prone or significant injury with the elbow comes into the equation, comes the negotiation. And I think that complicates things even more because if it is significant now it's your second significant elbow injury. Early on in your career, and who knows how that goes down the line?

Doug Gottlieb (7:27)

Yeah, we. We have no idea. You know, it could be a nerve in there which makes it feel like it's worse than it is, but you're right. Like, once you start to say, like, one injury, like, okay, it's just an injury when it's the second one now it's. Well, it's. It's chronic. And the crazy part was the. The first three drives. He had three drives in a row where he was nine of 931 yards. I saw. I mean, he was killing it. He really. Now, I know Detroit's defense wasn't great to begin with, and now being depleted by some injuries is even worse. But the. The interesting part is how Brady. How Brock Purdy had had a very average year because of all of the. In many ways, all of the injuries of the guys surrounding him. And. And look, I don't think he's nearly at the level of those elite quarterbacks, and I don't think he should be compensated as such. But again, I don't evaluate quarterbacks for a living. I'm not Kyle Shanahan. I'm not John Lynch. It's their team. They know it better than we do. And last night was one of the first nights all year when she looked and you're like, whoa, Brock Purdy looking looks a little different, a little better tonight than he has previously. And then he goes and gets hurt. And it again, might be something minor, might be just a nerve inflammation, which makes your arm feel like it's on fire. And structurally it's fine. But you're. You're totally right, Dan. Anybody who has a brain sits there and goes like, wait, go, wait. He had a major surgery on it previously, and now he has to leave a game, a close game, because it feeling like it's on fire. Like, what else can go wrong? And, oh, yeah, it's not. Like, it's not an arm he's not going to use. It was his left arm, like, all right, well, you know, it's going to be painful, but he doesn't need that one. It's the one elbow, you know, one of the two elbows that he actually needs.

Dan Beyer (9:07)

Yeah, yeah, it's. It completely messes up the equation. They didn't have a running game last night. They. They were willing to get into a shootout with the Detroit Lions. And we've looked at the 49ers over the last couple of years, whether it be Christian McCaffrey, whether it be Jordan Mason when he was Filling in earlier this season or Elijah Mitchell other times, and even before that, Raheem Mostard. It's been running, running, running. And last night that wasn't the case. They aired it out. Purdy had 377 yards. All those who are anti Purdy and don't pay Purdy will just point to the two interceptions because they didn't look good. Air mailing one in the middle of the field, you could always point to that stuff. But as he said, he started out nine and nine through for almost 400 yards in a game that had what, 10 touchdowns and no punts. I think, like, it's crazy. I mean, he put on a show last night, but then there's still questions. And now the injury stuff complicates things.

Doug Gottlieb (10:05)

And then the big question is what Dan Campbell playing all his starters. Here's, here's Campbell, head coach of the still first place Detroit Lions, when he was asked if he considered resting his starters for last night's game.

Dan Beyer (10:19)

Yeah, it was on my mind, you know, I mean, I thought a lot about it. You know, I thought about it leading up to the game. I thought about it last night. I told the staff, but I, I ended up settling on the right thing to do was play these guys. And, and because we owed it to the team, you know, and, and it was just one of those, those positions we were in. It's just hard to say who you're going to sit. And, and it's not fair to ask guys to play that haven't been prepared.

Doug Gottlieb (10:47)

To play, you know, those answers make no sense. By the way, I do understand the, hey, you can't, you can't sit everybody. But the how could you not be? You had an extra day to prep. You knew this was a possibility, right? You knew it was a possibility. I don't understand that answer. Yeah, I guess what he's saying is, look, had Minnesota lost, but had Minnesota lost, they, you know, and they won, be in the same situation, still have to win the game on Sunday.

Dan Beyer (11:22)

I also don't want to sound callous, but isn't that what backups are for? Like, I mean, like there's, don't we always.

Doug Gottlieb (11:29)

Don't you always tell your guys, stay ready, stay ready, stay ready, stay ready. Ah, he's not really ready. It's not fair to him. Like, what is he talking about?

Dan Beyer (11:37)

It's not.

Doug Gottlieb (11:38)

Look, I like Dan Campbell. I can just tell you, this all gas and no brakes thing, it sounds really, really good. I can tell you from personal experience, it is an atrocious idea. I don't care what you do if you lose your start. Your starters are your starters for a reason. What are you doing? You did not have to play last night's game to win. And, like, I'm a crazy competitive person. My team is in a. Is in a losing streak. We have had a gigantic injury on our team, and it's one of those, like, we're in that phase to where, like, if it can go wrong, it goes wrong. That's just kind of the way it goes, and you got to turn around and fix it. Okay. But everyone knows that your likelihood of success is made even greater in the playoffs when you have healthy players. Nothing matters unless you have healthy players. It's so hard to do with backups. And there's. What was the win in winning last night, especially now that you got a short week to prep to go play the Minnesota Vikings. How does that make any sense? And his need to go for it, right, like, it's gotten him beaten this year. Heck, last year, there was the decisions of when to go for it, not to go for it against the Niners in the NFC Championship Game, which in the first half, he didn't. In the second half half, he did, and it backfired on him, and they gave away a lead. And I'm not saying he's not a tremendous coach, but that particular decision and his defense of the decision really didn't make any sense.

Dan Beyer (13:13)

I'll tell you what also doesn't make sense. This was Jared Goff after the win last night. I think that's the only way we know, you know, it is just go and find a way to win. And, you know, the team we were playing, you know, in San Francisco, like, this is what ended our season last year. And there was a lot of guys on this team that were there last year that, you know, wanted to get one back on them, even though, you know, in a lot of ways, it was meaningless for them and meaningless for us. But they were prideful out there, too. They were trying to, you know, beat us as well. And it was a fun game.

Doug Gottlieb (13:42)

Yeah. So I get it. It's like we just. We lost the Niners last year in the playoffs. We want to put the stake in. They're already not in the playoffs. They're already not in the playoffs.

Dan Beyer (13:51)

The part that I don't get is how in the world could that be payback? Like, last year was for a trip to the Super Bowl. This year meant nothing to either side. It's actually one of the glaring things about Nick Sirianni, for all of the things that we will point out and the dumb stuff that the Eagles head coach does, there may have been nothing worse than taunting Chiefs fans after beating them in Kansas City. When the Chiefs beat them in the super bowl the prior year. Like, it wasn't. It wasn't payback. It wasn't revenge. I don't know how you could get revenge from losing a Super bowl, except if you played them in the super bowl the next year. This had even less impact than that Chiefs Eagles game. Doug. It meant nothing to neither. To both sides. And to sit there and say, like, they're prideful, like, that's garbage. Nobody last night thought, yeah, revenge. Not at all.

Doug Gottlieb (14:44)

There wasn't. There wasn't a single Lions fan. And you and I work with Chris. Perfect. Who's a Lions fan? Not a single Lions fan on the planet. On the planet. Who's like, hey, we're even for last year, huh? You like that, buddy? You like that? Like, not one. No. Nobody. Nobody thinks that. And, you know, I love the idea of trying to win every day, trying to win every game that. We're competitive people. You can. The backups can compete as well. Because you know what? You're playing for something more important than a Monday Night Football game in Week 17 of an NFL season. You're playing for a Super Bowl. To win a Super bowl with the Detroit Lions. That's the only thing that matters is the super bowl with the Detroit Lions. And. And. And nothing that was done last night. It was a fun game. Don't get me wrong. Like, we've had a lot of, like, drudgery here. End of the season with some of these games, guys limping. It's a fun game. 4034 points scored, trick plays. Awesome. But, I mean, for a team that's already been depleted, already lost, you know, lost a running back, lost a middle linebacker, lost some ancillary pieces, like, what are you doing? What. What are you possibly doing? Hey. Payback. Some of these guys want to pay back. We want to pay back. It's not payback. Not payback. J. Stu, you. You. You want to propose a bit? Is that what you want to do?

Jason Stewart (16:11)

Happy New Year's Eve, gentlemen.

Dan Beyer (16:13)

New Year's Eve to you.

Jason Stewart (16:14)

I put together a little.

Doug Gottlieb (16:15)

Isn't it Happy New Year's Eve day?

Jason Stewart (16:17)

Sure. Yeah.

Doug Gottlieb (16:18)

I'm just saying it's a weird sentence, but New Year's Eve, I mean, I guess. I guess it can be used. It depends on the. The use of the word Eve. Eve can be Day before. But it's really night before, is it not?

Jason Stewart (16:30)

Yeah, no, I'll definitely. I think you're right on that one.

Doug Gottlieb (16:33)

Okay.

Jason Stewart (16:33)

I put together a gift for listeners as we look back on 2024. I wanted to play my personal favorite sound bites from the year and by all means, Doug Dan listeners, if you have any contribution, let us know. But I want to play at the end of each segment today just something that was memorable, something that stuck out from 2024 in sports. And I want to start with somebody that Doug actually either attended high school with or went to the same high school as Tustin High School.

Doug Gottlieb (17:08)

I went school to attend high school with. He was a freshman, I was a senior.

Jason Stewart (17:11)

DeShawn Foster gets the job at UCLA and he shows up at Big Ten media days and he just wows the world with charisma.

Dan Beyer (17:21)

UCLA in the Big Ten. We're a school that's won, what, 123 championships. So this fits us being right in this conference. Football wise, we're just excited, you know, I'm sure you guys don't know too much about ucla, but our football program. But we're in la. It's us and usc. We.

Doug Gottlieb (18:08)

The crazy part was, for people who don't know, we actually had desean on the Doug Gottlieb show like a half hour after that happened. And he was like, yeah, well, what happened was I didn't know if I was supposed to make a statement or answer the question. He was great about it, but yeah, that was. That. That wasn't great.

Jason Stewart (18:29)

Well, they turned it into. I want to say he turned it into a marketing thing.

Doug Gottlieb (18:33)

Yeah.

Jason Stewart (18:33)

Like made T shirts. We're in la.

Doug Gottlieb (18:36)

Yeah.

Jason Stewart (18:36)

Oh, by the way, I had Vito put this together so I can't not play it. What I was supposed to do right before we played the. Deshawn Foster.

Doug Gottlieb (18:43)

Yeah.

Jason Stewart (18:44)

Is this is the intro for the. For the bit today.

Doug Gottlieb (18:47)

Hold up now.

Dan Beyer (18:49)

Wait a minute.

Dan Patrick (18:51)

They said what?

Jason Stewart (18:53)

They said what? So you'll be hearing more sound throughout the show, listeners. Hope you enjoy it.

Doug Gottlieb (18:58)

Well, that's a really good. Vito did a really good job. What? What, did you choke? Did you get too excited about playing the sound? What happened?

Jason Stewart (19:05)

Oh, you know, I'm. I'm not a host by trade.

Doug Gottlieb (19:08)

No, you are. You are the FM morning. Morning radio host. We, We've, We've. We've established that. That you love to do the. Well, not let. Don't call it a throwback because you really want to do what was hot on the Billboard top charts in 2015. Right. That's. We've established that. So don't, don't, don't duck and dodge that thing. You got too excited because the clip is way too funny. Everybody does it. That clip is too funny. Can you. Can I hear it one more time? I gotta hear that again. We're. We're in LA with usc. Hold up now.

Dan Patrick (19:46)

Wait a minute. They said what?

Doug Gottlieb (19:52)

Oh, so good. So good.

Dan Beyer (19:56)

We're a school that's won, what, 123 championships. So this fits us being right in this conference. Football wise, we're just excited. You know, I'm sure you guys don't know too much about ucla, but our football program. But we're in la. It's us and usc. We.

Doug Gottlieb (20:32)

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Doug Gottlieb (26:43)

Be we have round two of the college football playoffs getting underway tonight. Again, same time, same same idea as last time around. One game today and then three tomorrow. I think this is the perfect bowl game, Fiesta bowl game. Now look, full disclosure, I It's ridiculous that Boise got a buy equal. Equally ridiculous that Arizona State WINS the Big 12 and they're not playing in Glendale. And as much you could say, well, that would be a that would be an unfair home field advantage. Like, okay, so neither Arizona State nor Boise State deserve to be a top four seed. But if they're going to be a top four seed, and if the difference is all that slight, shouldn't you want to sell tickets? And if you sold tickets, and I just saw online that tickets for Arizona State's game in Georgia are going for pennies on the dollar. So congratulations on screwing something up. That was pretty easy right there in front of you. But regardless of it, Dan, can I make the pitch to you of why I think this is the perfect game?

Dan Beyer (27:53)

Yeah, I'd love to hear it.

Doug Gottlieb (27:55)

Okay, so basically, for the last, I don't know, 25 years or so, and obviously it got worse once we got the College football playoff, the 14 playoff, but remember, we'd always have these bowl games. We had Hawaii taken on. Who'd they get pummeled by in the Sugar Bowl? Was that Alabama?

Dan Beyer (28:12)

Georgia.

Doug Gottlieb (28:12)

Georgia in the Sugar. But it was just bad. Right? But you also, you had had Boise take down Oklahoma in this, in the Fiesta Bowl. That was the hook and ladder play, right? You had the Statue of Liberty. You had Chris Myers going, okay, now you're gonna ask your girlfriend to marry you. Like, dude, what are you doing Anyway? Like, arguably one of the most famous substance. And you'd always get from the side of the SEC, the side of the Big 12, the side of the Big 10, like, hey, it doesn't matter. Come on, man. Like, it's a bowl game. We get a swag bag, we get to ride roller coasters and have a big dinner, and freshmen get to a more chance to work out. Like, it's never really mattered to us, right? And there was no real payoff other than to say, hey, we won that bowl game. Which is sort of bragging rights. But, like, you know, the SEC especially has had that, like, we love, you know, bowl games only matter when we win them. Well, now the Big Ten, who, let's just be honest, over the last 25 years outside of Ohio State, been pathetic in bowl games. Is that fair, Dan?

Dan Beyer (29:21)

Yeah. Yeah.

Doug Gottlieb (29:22)

Okay. Right. Big Ten. Considering the historic nature and success of Big Ten programs generally. Again, I'm saying this is more generalization. Generally, the Big Ten has been pathetic and bold.

Dan Beyer (29:33)

It's funny because as a Big Ten guy, I don't even know. I just went along with it. So I. Honestly, Doug, I have no idea, but sure.

Doug Gottlieb (29:39)

Okay. It's not an every year thing. I would say more often than not.

Dan Beyer (29:43)

Okay.

Doug Gottlieb (29:44)

Regardless.

Dan Patrick (29:44)

Okay.

Doug Gottlieb (29:45)

And the Big Ten has never. Has usually not been the conference. Like, it doesn't matter to us. Right? But the SEC has been. It doesn't. These. These games don't matter. Well, this one matters. Okay? You have that same Cinderella type story in Boise State granted dramatically overseeded and they get the benefit of not having to play last weekend. So they're fresh, they're rested. This is the best that Boise is, is going to have. And proximity wise, you know, you get on a Southwest flight or what's that other airline they you got, you can actually go into Mesa with. But Mesa is on the other side of the earth from Glendale. Anyway, point is they'll have a great crowd, a great chance to win against big bad Penn State. And Penn State cannot say it doesn't matter to us because this is all that matters. So you have the, you know, in basketball you'd have the bracket buster, the high major versus the mid major. You finally actually have that in college football for a chance to go to the Final Four. I think it's kind of sweet that as much as they screwed up a lot of it and again like I even think Penn State's kind of overseeded and, and we're making a bigger thing about Penn State who's okay, they're not great but you get a chance for the real everyone who, who went to a school that's not a Power 4 school, anyone who's ever felt slighted, felt like they belonged. And even heck my alma at Oklahoma State where you know, you go back to the Brandon Whedon team that, that one was at the 2012, I think Fiesta bowl right there was that they couldn't get into the national championship game, lose to Iowa State on a missed field goal. Right. Even those ones like the overlooked non name brand teams now are going to be rooting for Boise and you got the Big Ten and Penn State and all their tradition coming in and you know, of course we know James Franklin always takes, you know, catching strays for not beating ranked teams. It's kind of a no win for James Franklin. They win, they're supposed to be Boise State. They lose. While it's going to be ugly in State College, I think it's like the perfect game, perfect game on a New Year's Eve.

Dan Beyer (31:50)

I and I can completely accept that. And I just wonder if there is a bit of a letdown from what we had in the first opening games because you mentioned the ticket prices and by the way the Big 12 was supposed to go to the Fiesta bowl but what happened is that Boise State just ended up again the fruits of being higher in the rankings because they ended up being higher. They got placed in the Fiesta bowl in that closer region which put Arizona State. But I think the, the Big 12 was under the assumption that if it was BYU, if it was Colorado, if it was Arizona State, that they likely would have gotten to play in the Fiesta Bowl. But that's why they ended up in the Peach bowl, because Boise State was higher. But to your point, Doug, I look at the basketball tournament, the Final Fours, the Sweet Sixteens, and what do we love? We love a little bit of Cinderella, and then we want it good at the end, and we'll probably get that in this College Football Playoff. But the question is, is how much do we want. Do we want Boise State to win this game? Do we want Boise State to go and play Georgia or Notre Dame in the semifinal? I'm not sure I have. I can't even tell you right now, as crazy as it sounds. And that's why I think after these games, despite the first ones being blowouts, there was something new. There was something unique about it. And, yeah, whether it's Alabama or LSU or, you know, or smu, excuse me, I'm not worried about it, but I don't know where that medium, that happy medium is that we've kind of figured out in the men's, you know, NCAA tournament. And I think it's going to take a little time. This. This one off tonight could be a great way to start it. And then it leads into the. To the Arizona State, Texas game tomorrow. But, yeah, I don't have a read. I don't know if I would feel differently if it was, say, you know, Penn. Penn State against Alabama, as crazy as that sounds, because of what we have with Oregon and Ohio State and Notre Dame and Georgia, I don't know if we need Alabama, but I can see where you're coming from. I just want to find that happy medium that I don't know where it's at, because this is so new.

Doug Gottlieb (34:07)

Yeah, I'd say this. I think if Boise were to win tonight, if boys were to win tonight, I think next week is the perfect example of why all of us know Boise can't win this thing. They just can't. Just the attrition of playing a big boy, and then you play a real big boy next week, you just. You get so beat up and so worn down. You do. I think what's the other interesting element to it is, again, it's not as much this week as it is for the next game is like, once these teams that had to play the extra game, like, that's Notre Dame loses with their best defensive linemen, like, you're gonna lose a guy in every game. Now, the difference in the. The Georgia's to a lesser extent Notre Dame, but the, the super, the Ohio States of the world is they do have a depth of talent that the other schools don't. Just that's what the money does. For people who haven't listened to the Doug Gottlieb show, it airs every afternoon, 3 to 5 Eastern, 12, 2 Pacific. Dan Beyer alongside and Jason Stewart. We're in for Dan the Danets today. This is, you're seeing it in college basketball and I think the truth is it's really right there in college football. I know it's hard for you to conceptualize how could Alabama lose to Vandy lose to Oklahoma? The attrition of playing the best competition week in, week out is completely different. It's just, it's a different sport and they're dealing with a different salary cap. Even Indiana, okay, who I, I didn't think belonged in the field and got thoroughly undressed. The fact is that Indiana did spend a ton of money. Like, you don't always get a championship team when you put a bunch of money together for these college rosters, okay? But more often than not you do. And it's just a depth of athletes at those schools because they have substantially more money. You know, I mean, that's really, really it. I mean, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not complaining about my situation. I took a job late knowing, okay, all of the pitfalls. But I was just, you know, before we started the show, I'm in one of my assistant's office, like, man, could have had that. There's a dude who we recruited, it was late, he was available, we didn't get. And my sister's like, why didn't we get him? And I was like, we didn't have the cheddar. It was just too much money for us. Just was like, that's the reality to it. And yeah, they're better, they got more money. They're supposed to be better, you know, so I'm not an SEC alum, I'm not an SEC wonk, but I also know how this deal works and I think it's going to get worse before it gets better in terms of the disparity between the SEC and to a little slightly lesser extent, the Big Ten and everybody else, because they just make more money. They have more money. And again now, next year you can bring it in house, you know, and pay and have the players under an nil contract from the university. And those universities have more money. They don't just make money on the Everybody says the TV deal, TV deal is great, but that makes sure all the lights are on, all the pretty things or whatever. They can make $150 million a year off of their stadiums. They have bigger stadiums, they're always filled. And then you get into all the other stuff. So they. It's just the idea that you're really, you're going to be competitive three weeks in a row with teams that have, you know, 5 to 10 to 20x. The spending of what you have is, it's really kind of silly when you think about it. Now in a one game scenario, can you pull it off? Yeah, Boise can beat Penn State, but can they beat Penn State and then beat Georgia and then beat somebody else? Nope.

Dan Beyer (38:01)

To Brett McMurphy's report yesterday from the Action Network saying that the committee is going to look at the bracket and possibly change the conference winners getting the automatic bids like Boise State did and Arizona State did that you would still go with the rankings at least at some point to give your top four buys. You would give them the automatic bid to the tournament, but they wouldn't get the buy, which could change as soon as next year if everyone's on board. And I'm curious on why the Big 12 or the mountain west would want to be on board with this, but again, if the SEC and the Big Ten are playing hardball for future agreements, that could possibly change. But I think that Boise State actually has a different feel, Doug, and this is why, it's, why it's difficult. And I don't know if Boise State would have won in the quarterfinals or, excuse me, one, in the first round and now was on a, on a streak going into this bowl game here. It almost seems like the Cinderella run into the semifinal is, is just too far when you get down to the Final Four. And I wonder if it would have been more fulfilling to see, to see that sort of advancement by a Boise State team. You know what I mean? Like to have them win a first round game, they become then the story where right now they haven't even played a game and there isn't even the feel for Cinderella. And it's almost difficult to find them as a Cinderella considering that they are going to be the higher seated team and wearing the home uniforms today against Penn State. So it's, it's just, it's very, very odd. And I feel that the role of the Cinderella would likely be fit better if that new format was put in and Boise State ended up winning a first round game.

Doug Gottlieb (39:49)

The Dan Patrick Show Fox for Tradies. Dan Byron, Doug Gottlieb. Let's. Let's get a little. As we recap 2024, on New Year's Eve Day, we play a little. They say what? They said what? Hold up now. Wait a minute.

Dan Patrick (40:07)

They said what?

Jason Stewart (40:09)

Doug? I just. I found a gift for our listeners. I wasn't able to afford buying gifts for all our listeners, so. But I wanted to give them the gift of sound. And I think this might be my favorite. This might be the best piece of sound from the year 20. 20. 24. Was it 20,024? It's 2.

Dan Beyer (40:32)

2,000. Yeah. Only 18,000 years off.

Jason Stewart (40:37)

ANGEL Reese wanted to kind of sum up the impact that her and Caitlin Clark had on the world of women's college basketball. And this is a real gem.

H (40:49)

It all started from the national championship game. And I've been dealing with this for two years now. And understanding, like, yeah, negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People are talking about women's basketball. You never would think that we'd be talking about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games. We got celebrities coming to games, sold out arenas, like, just because of one single game. And just looking at that, like, I'll take that role. I'll take the bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on and be that for my teammates. And if I want to be that, and I know I'll go down to history, I'll look back in 20 years and be like, yeah, the reason why we watching women's basketball is not just because of one person. It's because of me, too. And I want y'all to.

Doug Gottlieb (41:31)

Hey, I was in that game, too. People don't like me. That's why they watch.

Dan Beyer (41:37)

What's so great is the whole WNBA was. Was like, trying to go against Caitlin Clark, and there's this whole groundswell of. Look at what. Look at what Asia Wilson has done.

Doug Gottlieb (41:48)

Oh, my gosh. Why are we not talking more about Asia Wilson?

Dan Beyer (41:51)

Yeah, look at. Look at the other, you know, Maya Moore, all these other players, Lisa Leslie, all that they've done for the, you know, for the W and. And Cheryl Swoops and Cynthia Cooper, all these great players, which I think that we do recognize yet here. Angel Reese is like, yeah, it's none of them. It's none of them. You want to give it to Caitlin Clark, but it's also me. Oh, just magnificent. Magnificent. Sound bite.

Doug Gottlieb (42:15)

I don't know if you guys Watched the. I watched all the Christmas Day games. And there was one thing that was. Was interesting was even though it was the NBA, you saw like State Farm replaced Chris Paul with. I don't know who the WNBA player was. The game was on. I was working in my office at the time. And many of the WNBA stars. Asia Wilson now is in a Nike ad.

Dan Beyer (42:40)

Sure.

Doug Gottlieb (42:40)

Right. A Nike ad. And just. It's one of those things where, like, at some point you have to. You have to realize the league did exist for 25 years and no one in the mainstream paid attention until Caitlin Clark came around. I don't know why that's a bad thing, why people can't accept it, why people can't realize it. That, you know, you fall in love with like, Taylor Swift is not the world's greatest singer. She's not the world's greatest songwriter. Right? Anyone. I'm not anyone would tell you that. That Bob Dylan is 15 times whatever she's ever been. But. But she's a billionaire and she can only bring positive attention to females in music. And the more you fight it, the more you look like an idiot. Well, it's same thing here with Caitlin Clark, you know, like, she's a thing. She's made. She's made it to where the couple of things that Angel Reese said are accurate. Like, I've been doing this job for over 20 years, okay? Outside of the Imus deal with Rutgers, we never talked about women's basketball ever. And it wasn't because we hate it or don't like it. It's just nobody cared. Nobody cared. And we talked about it more this year in 24. Then we talked probably about baseball, which had a 5050 guy and now two $700 million contracts. And the Dodgers beat the Yankees, definitely. We didn't utter a word about hockey other than they still play hockey. Right? So she's right. But the. Hey, it's me. I'm. Hey, me. I'm the reason, like, history.

H (44:15)

I'll look back in 20 years and be like, yeah, the reason why we watching women's basketball is not just because of one person. It's because of me too. And I want.

Dan Beyer (44:22)

That was more a slap in the face to any current or former WNBA player than anything. Caitlin Clark did that comment there, like, no, it was also. It was. It was me. It wasn't you guys. Caitlin Clark at least is giving credit to the. Those of the past. That one she told on her is.

Jason Stewart (44:41)

Bent over backwards, almost pandering.

Doug Gottlieb (44:44)

No, now she. She's gotten to have to had to pander. She's. It sucks. She's had a pander.

Jason Stewart (44:49)

It's not just one person. It's two.

Doug Gottlieb (44:51)

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Doug Gottlieb (49:47)

Be Some interesting going ons last night in the National Football League with the Detroit Lions surviving the San Francisco 49ers Monday Night Football. Brock Purdy, though, went down with some form of elbow injury. We think it's an elbow injury. We don't really really know. We don't know the severity of it or anything of it, only reports of that his arm was on fire and leading many to speculate. More nerve than anything else. But what that means, we simply don't know. A guy who would know how this could affect the potential for a contract negotiation this upcoming off season joins us now. His name is Andrew Brandt. He is, he has the, he's the host of the business Sports Podcast under DraftKings Network. He's also the author of the Sunday 7 newsletter which you can sign up for on his social media pages IG and Twitter as well. And he joins us now on the Dan Patrick show on FOX Sports Radio. Andrew, before we get to the Niners, the Lions played their starters, played to win. And you've been in with the packers organization, with the Eagles organization. What are your thoughts on the Lions logic behind playing their guys last night in a game that did nothing for them in terms of playoff seating?

I (50:59)

Yeah, good morning, Doug. Always good to be with you. I am not, repeat not, not a believer in playing starters and stars in games like this. And I think you'll see most of the teams agree with that on Sunday this weekend. But Dan Campbell's got his own feelings and that was important to him. Maybe a little bit different going into a big game next week rather than a rest for the playoffs. So I'll give him that. Listen, my feeling, Doug, is risk, reward. It's always comes down to risk reward. What's the risk? And the risk is phenomenal. The risk is getting one of your stars, God forbid your quarterback hurt in a meaningless game for the playoffs. What's the reward? I don't get it. Winning a game that doesn't matter, I guess. But to me that's not comparable. So I am a total believer in I change the Herm Edwards line. You don't play to win the end of regular season game.

Doug Gottlieb (52:04)

Yeah.

I (52:05)

You play to win the playoff game. So it's pretty clear to me.

Doug Gottlieb (52:12)

With Dan Bar, I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Dan Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so Doug, quick one on that.

Dan Beyer (52:19)

Sorry we had troubles with my mic here. But just on the, on the lion sort of thing. Andrew, when you were executive with the packers, what happens with bonuses and stuff like that, like, like, you know, how is that reviewed during the week, especially if you are going to be sitting guys and having that discussion, how does that come about and how do you deal with that as a front office?

I (52:38)

Yeah, Dan, that's a great question and that is a problem. And When I was with the packers, we fortunately were in a lot of those games where the 16th game at that time, 17th game now didn't really matter. So we did sit stars and starters. But I also instituted something contractually with the packers that a lot of teams use now called per game roster bonuses. So it's a way of getting the player money. But he has to be healthy. That's really all he has to be to be a part of the 47 man active roster. And yes, this was a problem. Players came up to me after these games. Even one player during a championship, NFC championship game came up to me and said, am I going to get those bonuses for the 16th game? And I had to adjust some contracts in the year, the next year, because I didn't foresee that problem. And absolutely not did I tell the coaches about it. The coaches and the cap contract guys should not be talking about these things. And I include that with incentive bonuses. Whether a guy is close to 1,000 yards or close to 50 catches or close to eight sacks, I created a wall. I did not want any coaches knowing about that because then you could really face the agent and player and saying, absolutely not. There was no communication about that and be honest about it. So that's a great question. That's how I handled it.

Doug Gottlieb (54:05)

Okay. And speaking of contract negotiations, what do you think last night's injury, again, we have no idea the severity does to the contract negotiations with Brock Purdy.

I (54:16)

Well, we're going to assume that he's going to be ready to play in 2025. I mean, this sounds like kind of the injury he had in the championship game in 2023. So we're going to assume this is not going to affect his playing in 25. Here's the thing, he is going to get a big contract. The question to me is how big? Because the market, as you and I have talked about many times, has gone to the 50s, 55, and then of course the outlier with Prescott at 60. I just don't see him getting there. Now everyone could say, well, why not? Because he's, he's among those guys and his record. But I just don't see it. And what the leverage the 49ers have is that that fourth year, in other words, he's done three years of a seventh round contract, which is peanuts. He's still got a year left on that. Now, are the 49ers going to make him play for a million dollars in his fourth year?

Dan Patrick (55:16)

No.

I (55:17)

But are they going to offer him $55 million? No. So I guess I'm looking at it as Purdy's got to make a decision. Do I play for a million dollars or do I play for a contract averaging pick a number, $30 million, $35 million, $40 million. And am I really going to push for $50 million? So that's the leverage the 49ers have. It's. You got a year left at a million dollars, so you turn down our offer. That's what you're looking at.

Dan Beyer (55:52)

Can they use the elbow injury even if they think everything's going to be fine, can they use it against him like you would? Maybe an arbitration of Major League Baseball?

I (56:01)

It's tough, you know, obviously tough to negotiate that way and talk about injuries, but it will be a factor if we're looking at it affecting next season. If this comes back as nerve damage, that can be lingering or whatever the word is into next season. Yes, absolutely. It's like someone coming off a knee injury. You're not going to do a huge contract based on that.

Doug Gottlieb (56:28)

What do you think Sam Donald's market.

I (56:30)

Looks like different than Purdy because of what I just said. He's a free agent, He's a free agent. So there's no extra year that they can negotiate off like the 49ers can. So now we're talking a different market and just forget about numbers. I think Darnold will make more than Purdy because of contract status. So, yeah, the Vikings will try to sign him, but they won't be the only ones. So now you got leverage. Now you got teams. Now you got something that is so rare in the NFL, productive quarterbacks on the market. When does that happen? Never. So I think his market is strong, extremely strong. And this idea of trading JJ McCarthy, you don't trade a number one pick that hasn't played. That won't happen. But if the Vikings retain him, it's. Then it's the discussion, the discussion we had in Green Bay for every, you know, for Rogers and for Love, like, what's the time if you're JJ McCarthy's agent, are you. Are you going to accept two years guaranteed for Darnold? You don't have anything to say about it, but are you going to accept three years guaranteed for Donald? That's a long time. That would be four years of waiting. So we'll see what happens. They've got to deal with a lot in Minnesota once they get past the playoffs.

Dan Beyer (57:59)

Kind of on the flip side of things. I know it's only two years in, but there's not a lot of good coming from Indianapolis with someone like Anthony Richardson. But again, when you're drafting a player like that, you and the limited experience he had coming into the NFL, what sort of window do you give a quarterback like that if you're Indianapolis, Especially if your backup plan right now is in aging Joe Flacco, who's on the couch for most of last season? What do you do if you're the Colts and your young quarterback?

I (58:30)

Well, you don't cut them, you don't trade them, but you do have a better backup plan than what you just talked about on the couch. You have a serious backup plan. You have a serious player that can come in there and I don't know who that is. That's, that's a long way off. But you're not talking about a stopgap anymore in a place like Indianapolis. You're not talking about a Flacco type. You're talking about a real option. And you're not giving up on Richardson. Of course, you know, it's like what I heard about Bryce Young in early part of this year. No, you don't give up on number one picks this early, but you better have an option. You know, it's not like and Cleveland as well, and that's a whole other situation. But they're not going into Cleveland next year again with these sort of retread backups anymore. They're going with a real option. So it's going to be interesting with those teams.

Doug Gottlieb (59:28)

He's the one and only Andrew Brandt, of course. He's a former executive with the Packers. He's the host of the business sports podcast and the DraftKings Network and the author of the Sunday 7 newsletter that you can sign up for on his social media pages. Andrew, happy New Year to you. Thanks so much for joining us.

I (59:42)

Thanks, guys. Happy New Year.

Doug Gottlieb (59:45)

Doug Gottlieb. Dan Beyer in for Dan Danitz. J. Stu, I think you had another say.

Jason Stewart (59:51)

What for us, I just want to continue our gifts for the listeners throughout the show today, I want to play sound from the year in sports in 2024 and it's a bit we like to call this.

Doug Gottlieb (60:02)

Hold up now. Hold up, wait a minute.

Dan Patrick (60:06)

They said what?

Jason Stewart (60:08)

I think that's a pretty good intro. In fact, I like it a lot. We might have to institute it on our daily show, the Doug Gottlieb Show. So the second bit of sound I want to say, and I want to speak for Dan here, but I think it's his favorite from the year. Dan was the One who was watching the offseason Hard Knocks up close. And of course this exchange with Joel Shane and John Mara about Saquon Barkley really stood out. Right?

Doug Gottlieb (60:35)

What's the latest?

I (60:36)

Just on the Saquon thing. I just got a text that Chicago's driving the price up and Philly's out.

Dan Beyer (60:42)

I don't know if that's true or not, which.

Doug Gottlieb (60:44)

I don't know if that. I'll make a couple calls. I don't even know if that's gonna.

I (60:47)

Happen, but I have a tough time sleeping.

Doug Gottlieb (60:50)

If Saquon goes to Phil, I'll tell you that.

Dan Beyer (60:52)

As I've told you, just being honest.

I (60:54)

I haven't been around enough players, but.

Dan Beyer (60:57)

He'S the most popular player we have.

Doug Gottlieb (60:59)

By far.

Dan Beyer (61:02)

So good.

Doug Gottlieb (61:03)

So here's. I just again, I mean, John Mara was telling him right there, just get this thing done. Right? I mean, everyone heard it at the time, just get this thing done. Like, stop. You can explain all you want about years and whatever, just get this thing done. And remember Saquon Barkley, who's got a chance to set the all time single season rushing mark. He only left for a million dollars more. The whole contract's a million dollars more. Which signifies two things. One, you know, the Giants weren't willing to go, hey, whatever you do, we'll offer you more money. And then two, he was, it was, it became petty at the end. It became, it became an ego thing.

Dan Beyer (61:51)

It's interesting because I don't. It's not the exact opposite, but I look at it from a different angle and I'm glad we played that sound because it. Not to pile on Joe Shane. It's actually to applaud Joe Shane and the entire Giants organization for, for doing this. And I don't know if the NFL forced him to do it, but I don't know if a team will ever do it again. I hope they do. I hope we get access like that because it actually shows what goes on in these scenarios. I would have loved to have heard the conversations of the Atlanta Falcons. And now we look at the quarterback situation and we see Michael Penix has taken over. But imagine what those conversations would have been. Joe Shane may have been wrong, but I just feel that his, his handicap was wrong. Like in terms of Saquon Barkley and we've discussed this and many others have discussed it as well. Saquon Barkley was not going to do what he did in Philadelphia, in New York this year. That was not going to happen. And so you have these, like Sequence of events where then the Giants are like, let's go and get you a weapon, Daniel Jones. They get them and leak neighbors that actually hits. They wanted to go cheap in the running back market. Turns out Tyrone Tracy was pretty good for him. They had a bunch of injuries on the offensive line that they tried to fortify as part of the hard knocks that we found out there were a bunch of pieces they could get. They lost their left tackle, Andrew Thomas for the season. So it just didn't work out for the Giants and it very likely could cost them all their jobs. Brian Dabel, Joe Shane, the whole deal and what was a make or break year. But sometimes those things happen and I'm so grateful that we got to look at it. So I don't want to make it seem like we're, we're piling on Joe Shane because it gave us insight into what a general manager actually has to decide.

Doug Gottlieb (63:38)

And, and to, and to add onto that is, let's also be honest, it looks really bad right now. There's just no, you know, I mean, the Raiders have a running back who's, you know, Tom Telesco gets that job late and the Raiders had already kind of bid a due to a running back who's having a heck of a year in Green Bay. The packers had Aaron Jones, who's having a heck of a year in Minnesota, and of course Saquon Barca. And this was all the talk of last year leading up to the season. But remember, the fight from these general managers perspectives and from the league's perspective was not over one year. It was all of these guys wanted essentially three years guaranteed. And the likelihood that they're anywhere near as productive in year two and year three is minimal. It just is. That was the real, that's the real gamble here. There was never, and this is what I hate about headlines and some reporting in our business, which is you either want or don't want somebody. The Giants wanted Saquon Barkley. They just never wanted to give him a three year guaranteed deal. Just didn't because he's been injured a lot, you know, So I just, I. Let's, let's see how it ultimately plays out. But right now, yes, it looks like words that end up causing you to get fired because of one decision.

Dan Patrick (65:04)

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