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Jason McIntyre
Where is Var? You know, since we're.
LeVar Arrington
Hey man, moving day is moving day. A lot of things come along with that.
Jason McIntyre
Damn. 6:00am Moving truck gets me every time.
LeVar Arrington
Thoughts and prayers. I I've been through enough Moves. If anyone followed my NFL career, they would have seen that. I actually at one point thought I should, like, create a moving company because I feel like I've got this kind of figured out at this point.
Jason McIntyre
So it's a pain in the ass. It is a miserable experience.
LeVar Arrington
It is.
Jason McIntyre
Done it a couple times and I hate it.
LeVar Arrington
I think the hardest thing about it too is you got to get rid of stuff. And for some of us out there who are sentimental, especially around the holidays, it can be tough. Like, there's. There's that stuff that you want to keep that you're like, oh, I remember when. Or this brings babe back to a good time. Or even like clothes sometimes you're like, oh, no, I'm gonna wear that. I'm gonna wear that in a couple months when the weather changes. A. Just, just get rid of it. You haven't worn it in probably, I don't know, six months, a year. You don't wear it enough. Just. Just get rid of it or donate it to someone who does.
Jason McIntyre
What's the trick? They say your clothes in the closet, you turn them, you turn the hanger around the other way. And if at the end of the year you didn't turn it back, it means you never used it, it means you probably don't need it. So you just toss it. But some people struggle with that, you know, I mean, I'll say this though. Who says the NFL doesn't deliver some great games, huh? Yeah, how about that says football.
LeVar Arrington
You know how much says that.
Jason McIntyre
The NFL is slowly wrapping up what has felt like the longest week of NFL football that I can recall in. In a long ass time.
LeVar Arrington
But before you dive in on that, yes, back during COVID you and I used to talk about this. And this past week was essentially a sample of what it would be like if we had NFL games throughout the course of the week, including on Sunday. And I gotta be honest with you, I didn't like it as much as I thought I would, but at the same time, I liked having the opportunity to watch more teams in standalone windows throughout the course of the week. I don't know how you felt, but for me, for a lot of my buddies too, especially those guys who like to gamble a little bit, it became more attractive and more fun from that standpoint. But that being said, what became very apparent was the lack of parody in the league as we had, what, eight games? I think, you know, we were decided by more than one score, two score games. I mean, it's more than that.
Jason McIntyre
Like, this is how bad it is. It's easier to count the number of good games. Like, what were the real good games that we got over the past several days? Cincinnati. And the only reason Cincinnati and Denver was good is because the Bengals clock management was so atrocious at the end of that game that they thought it was a good idea to score with a minute and change left to go. And Denver having timeouts, apparently, that was.
LeVar Arrington
I mean, last night, Washington, Atlanta was good.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, that was good.
LeVar Arrington
And then, I mean, here's the thing. It's like Seattle, Chicago was close. I don't know that anyone watched that game and thought it was a great game.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, that's just awful football. Like, I'm, I'm watching, going, look, this is what we've. You, as you mentioned, we've talked about to where, hey, you get games all the time. Also, to your point on the standalone stuff, totally agree. Because one of the things that I feel like the NFL could do a better job of, and they do a lot of things great and, you know, we get, you know, called out. Oh, you guys are just. All you guys do is a fanboy for the league, dude. One of the things the NFL could do a better job of is spacing out some of the games. Like, there are times to where you have so many early window games on a Sunday and then just a few of the later games. And I've always felt like to actually get to take in and watch all these teams and see these storylines and whatnot, you do need to space it out a little bit. So that was nice. But I mean, as far as the quality of games go. Good Christ. There were some terrible football games. Like, terrible, terrible teams.
LeVar Arrington
There is a reason why the lighting is a certain way in clubs and in bars. Right. When people go out.
Jason McIntyre
Great point.
LeVar Arrington
Yeah. They're trying to hide some of those. Some of those things they don't want other people to see. It's kind of like the NFL scheduling. You know, they're like, oh, let's talk about 1:00 with five of their games to make sure no one checks out how. How Cleveland's doing.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, you know what that is? That is a good point. If you are a three, blame the electrician. Okay. And that. And that's. That's your. That's the problem. And that's the. The bone you want to pick with somebody, go ahead and do that. But I. Listen, man, that was a fun one last night. I mean, still, you know, Raheem Morris, you know, the timeout, not calling the timeout on that final driver regulation. Not ideal. But Jaden Daniels was a student.
LeVar Arrington
He is, he, he's the offensive rookie of the year. He's provided. I mean, if you look at Washington, I mean, just three years ago, the change in ownership, the change in head coach, the change in quarterback, and here we are, a team that is now clinched a playoff berth. And I mean, hell, the players are proposing to their girlfriends after the game. I mean, it's like a storybook. You can't make this stuff up. And what, which surprises me the most is everyone wants to point to like one or two things. It's, it's the combination of all of it. I mean, and that's what Washington needed. And unfortunately, to move past Dan Snyder, little Danny, as Lavar calls him, and get to a point where you had a different culture, a different environment and a head coach. You saw that too. And a quarterback who's able to bring that to life. And that's where we're at. So it's fun to watch the Washington Commandos the way they're playing, what it looks like too, because I think they're one of those teams that they get in the playoffs, play with house money, man. Like, like now that they're in, they're playing with house money. And they're kind of a scary team when you think about some of the weapons they have. Jaden Daniel's ability to run the defense can step up, you know, from time to time. That would be a team that I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't find a way of winning the wild card round.
Jason McIntyre
So Dan Quinn, the head coach of the Commander, spoke about his rookie quarterback afterwards.
LeVar Arrington
When I told Raheem after the game, I said, man, there's some things that five does that you can't put on a card. That's the competitor is. And I thought he was fully able to demonstra that and express himself tonight with his legs, with his arm. Yeah, he is a dangerous player. And it's not by design that you know some of these runs that took place, but when the time comes to go. I thought there were some smart out of bounds runs, but there are some times when he's going to go and it's not always I cringe sometimes, but I also know that I know what the competitor is too.
Jason McIntyre
It did feel like going into this season that it was about for Washington, it was like, hey, you know, we're like, our goal here is to find out whether or not we got a guy at quarterback. Like, that's the goal. And Then everything else, you know, you build upon. And yet here they are in the postseason. And I just, I don't know how many people actually thought that could have been a possibility before the year. I definitely did not. I was not on that list.
LeVar Arrington
I think it, I mean, you look at it, you say it could be a possibility. I think what stands out to me too is not, not to compare Caleb Williams to Jaden Daniels. But if we're looking at the track record now of guys who have won a Heisman, guys who, if you're purely going off of the tape and that's all we're doing when we're trying to figure out who's going to be the best quarterback of that draft class, you would have just said Jaden Daniels. And being done with it, like you, it didn't really need any further evaluation based on his last season at lsu. And you can go back to Joe Burrow back when he was at osu. You can go back through kind of the years and look at some of the different draft classes and go, yeah, let's not overthink this. This guy was the best player in college football on a team that, you know, struggled out around him, but yet he lifted everyone up. And that's exactly what he's going to be asked to do once he gets to the NFL level. And that's what he's done. So as we like spin that forward and we've got teams who are trying to evaluate different players in this draft, they're going to be looking at their size, their measurables, the inter. The other stuff outside of the actual playing the game itself, and it's why. And we'll get into the topic. But like Shador Sanders for me is number one based on how he played this past season. I know the bowl game wasn't great. That was probably tough to watch for a lot of CU fans. But you look at his entire body of work the past couple of seasons, look at the success of Colorado from where they were a few years ago to where they are now. He fits that bill. Another guy who fits that bill, and I think he more is going to be talked about in regards to the size, the measurables, some of the concerns and all that. Is Cam Ward didn't matter if he was at Washington State, didn't matter if he was at Miami. Go look at the way he improved those teams with his level of play. And that's one of those things. Like, it seems like sometimes teams, franchises overthink it. They kind of overthink that Process of, like, what are we trying to evaluate? What really matters? It's the tape. That's all that really matters. At the end of the day, it's playing football. All the other stuff you can continue to keep building on and working on. But it just. It always surprises me when people are surprised when they get them. They're like, oh, yeah, the guy who. Yeah, the guy won the Heisman Trophy his final year. He's come in, he's led his team to the playoffs. Now in his rookie year, it's like, well, why is that overly surprising? Like, is that. I mean, it just. It comes off as shocking to me that people are surprised by it.
Jason McIntyre
Bucky Brooks always told me that in scouting it was pretty simple that, yeah, you go by the tape first and then you start to work in some of those other things. But if the tape stands out and you see him in actual game situations and scenarios, then that. That makes your decision a lot easier. Yet for some reason, teams don't do that. They. And look, Caleb Williams was identified as going to be the guy for months and months and months and was going to be the player there. And it just goes to show you the stability that they have in Washington and everything surrounding him. Like, if he has a bad game, it doesn't feel like it's the end of the world. And there's been times Jaden Daniels hasn't played all that. All that great in certain situations in certain games. But if Caleb Williams has a bad game, it is bust. Sky is falling. It's terrible. They made a mistake, dude. There's a lot going on around him that just feels like chaos, like absolute chaos. Coordinators fired, coaches fight like I'm. Everything that's happened this year is the wrong way to try and develop a quarterback, it feels like. And Jaden Daniels hasn't had to deal with any of that.
LeVar Arrington
Like, have the Bears ever developed a quarterback?
Jason McIntyre
Well, no, I mean, they. Listen, they traded for Cutler. You know, there was that. And, you know, Mitch Trubisky got him to the postseason twice. So, you know, there is some optimism there. And there was that one time in 1985 that they won a Super bowl they're still hanging on to. So there was. There was that as well.
LeVar Arrington
Well, I guess it goes back to the original point. The Bears, I guess more recent run or lack of success is one in which I don't know if anyone's going to call for. Well, I guess fans have called for McCaskeys to sell the team, but that's not realistic. The Problem is, is how do you go about, you know, trying to build and create the culture that they need in order to be ultimately successful and replicate what we're seeing from Washington. And if the ownership's not changing, then you're looking at, okay, who are you bringing in that's going to be able to overcome or. Or buck the, the trend of ownership's decisions and their impact. It's a tough call because depending on who's involved in that decision in the first place, they're going to want to have power over that person, whether it's Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, a combination of the two, the McCaskeys. I mean, no matter how you cut it, that decision is going to be a tough one for any potential candidate who's looking at as a head. Potential head coach, because he's got to answer to someone who doesn't have a great track record. And, you know, a year or two from now, he could once again be on the hot seat. I mean, that's essentially what you're looking at. Even as good as Caleb Williams is, he can't overcome the dysfunction. We've talked about that on our show week in, week out with some of the various organizations that seem to struggle time and time again.
Jason McIntyre
Speaking of the NFC north, it's all going down to the final game. That'll be the Sunday Night Football feature between the Vikings and the packers next week. And man, Minnesota, like, I don't know, or excuse me, the Lions and the. Why would I say the Packers? My apologies. Definitely not the Packers. They're not. They're not involved in that conversation. They struggle against the NFC north, apparently, minus the Bears, but the Lions and the Vikings, it all comes down to next week for the division, for the number one seed. Speaking of things that we didn't think were possible before the year, the over under win total for Minnesota was what, six, Six and a half. It has been an incredible run. And they feel like they're getting better as well, too. Like they feel like they are striding down the stretch. And I don't think it's a crazy thought to think that Minnesota beats Detroit next week. And all of a sudden the Vikings and Sam Darnold are hosting a playoff game. It's wild to think about that. That's where we're at when it comes to the Vikings and the conversation around them.
LeVar Arrington
And you probably can't understate the job that Kevin O'Connell's done as far as coach of the year. I mean, it should probably come down to that game. I'M not sure who you want to throw into that conversation. Maybe you want to say Andy Reid. I don't know that he ever gets enough credit because I think we look at him with Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones, all these pieces they have and we just say, oh well, they should win a bunch of games. First off, that's not an easy division. And second, it's hard to continually have and maintain that success that they've had. So maybe Andy Reid should be more talked about for. But it feels like between Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell that should be on the line, at least for this one. Yeah, still a game to go for the Detroit Lions, but you know, before you get there. But am I wrong in that assessment?
Jason McIntyre
No, it's over. Like I think it's Kevin O'Connells. Like I think he's already, I mean he's a, you know, 10 to 1 on DraftKings right now, you know, so it feels like that's a wrap. Dan Campbell is next up and then you got Andy Reid and Dan Quinn. But yeah, Kevin O'Connell feels like, like that's all, that's all she wrote on that. So. And then the discussion will get louder after the season about what Minnesota should do with Sam Darnold, how they play their cards when it comes to that. I know Diana Rossini over the weekend reported that there's the potential that they could do a short term deal but still keep J.J. mcCarthy in the fold. Pete Priscoe and I kind of threw out some scenarios, you know, Pete's up for throwing out some wild stuff that you know, maybe they, maybe they call Las Vegas and be like, hey, I know there's a Michigan thing going on there. J.J. mcCarthy interested, you know, sign Sam Darnold, do a longer term deal and then the Raiders get their quarterback of the future decision solved for him. So I don't know, there's some, some stuff out there for, for Minnesota to think about, but awesome job for, for Kevin O'Connell on them and then Brian Flores is probably going to get some head coaching consideration as well too with that defense.
LeVar Arrington
So as he should be sure to.
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Jason McIntyre
So it is bowl season in college football. And when you talk about great discussions, it all centers around the Pop Tarts bowl.
LeVar Arrington
That's right. You know, frost, by the way, it delivered. Say what you want, man. Just like those brown sugar, cinnamon, like those, those ones. Those always hit. That was my favorite. I was a little.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, frosted, unfrosted. Doesn't matter. It's a Pop Tart Frosted. Well, some people are into the unfrosted stuff, bro.
LeVar Arrington
That's like a toaster strudel. That's not, that's not a Pop Tart.
Jason McIntyre
Look, the frosting on a Pop Tart, I'm not sure when that was made and how it was made. No offense to Pop Tarts, buddy.
LeVar Arrington
If you eat a Pop Tart, you're not overly concerned with the health or nutrition facts. You're eating a Pop Tart, by the way.
Jason McIntyre
Toaster or microwave? For a Pop Tart Toaster.
LeVar Arrington
It's not even close.
Jason McIntyre
I don't know. Feel like it's a bit. I feel like it's a better cook in a microwave, to be honest with you.
LeVar Arrington
Every time I want to, I want to like you, you say something like that and it's just I can't. I can't do it.
Dan Patrick
Lee.
Jason McIntyre
What's your problem?
LeVar Arrington
I don't even know where to start.
Jason McIntyre
When did you ever put one in a microwave? I don't know. What do you mean? As a kid, you just throw it in the microwave. It's a better cook.
LeVar Arrington
Oh, my God, dude.
Jason McIntyre
Mark, why are you shaking your head? Toaster, toaster, stove, Toaster. All right, what are you putting?
LeVar Arrington
I'll say it again. I say it once a week. You deserve all the backlash you get on Twitter. You really do. It's for takes like this that you deserve the backlash that you received.
Jason McIntyre
There are different options out there. It's almost changed everything for me. I'll screw you, Mark. I'm just saying there's, you know, options out there, right? If the more tough for you, you know?
LeVar Arrington
Good for you, Mark.
Jason McIntyre
By the way, I do, like, made for the toaster. What are you doing? I also like how Pop Tarts don't even give you the option of having one. You open a bag, you're getting two, and if you don't eat the other one, it's going stale. So, like, no, you. Not only are you eating bad, you're eating bad twice.
LeVar Arrington
I just can't believe you said unfrosted.
Jason McIntyre
Like, that's.
LeVar Arrington
Who in the. Who are they in the right mind would get a Pop Tart unfrosted?
Jason McIntyre
I don't know, man. Some people are into it, you know? Some people listen. Some people are into weird stuff. I don't have to tell you, okay?
LeVar Arrington
It's like getting a giant sized Snickers bar and half of it. You're like, oh, I'm worried about the sugar and the calories in it. Yeah.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Well, it's the. The old Rob Parker trick. You. You eat healthy but still get dessert. It's like. He's like, oh, I got a. I got a burger with no bun, but I ordered a chocolate sundae afterwards. Dude, just get the bun. What's the point? Like, you just did more damage to yourself.
LeVar Arrington
So aren't you making our argument right now?
Jason McIntyre
Well, no, I'm just telling you that there's an option out there for people if they don't like the frosting. The frosting is not that great.
LeVar Arrington
I mean, I have not seen an unfrosted Pop Tart in forever. Mostly because anyone who eats an unfrosted Pop Tart probably got shoved in a locker. We've never seen them since. I'm just saying.
Jason McIntyre
What's with the violence? It's just. It's a. It's a strudel. Like, what. What's the violence here over a breakfast snack that's not good for you?
LeVar Arrington
Well, and Pop Tarts are way better than Toaster Strudel. I mean, there's a reason why Toaster Strudel hasn't sponsored a pool game. All right.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. Were they even in the. In the contention for the bowl game? But apparently, you know, if they do partake in sponsoring a bowl game, they'll be there for the entire game. Not like that. Damn Cam Ward. How dare he not return for the second half. He had to be ashamed of himself, right? Do it for your team.
LeVar Arrington
Are we believing in the fake outrage that there was around Cam Ward? Who. And this is the explanation that I guess was given because Mario Cristobal, the head coach at University of Miami, didn't really elaborate on what that conversation was with Cambord behind the scenes, simply said that we had an individual conversation with. With a lot of players who were deciding whether they wanted to play or sit out the game, and he's going to leave it at that. Which was. Which is a smart way of handling it because every player situation circumstances different. Could Cam Ward have sat out of that game altogether? Of course. In all seriousness, three weeks ago, the Miami Hurricanes were potentially playing for an ACC championship and a spot in the College Football Playoff. And then come to find out a few weeks later, now they're losing in the Pop Tarts Bowl. Like that is a dramatic fall from grace from where Miami fans thought their team was three, four weeks ago. So here we are. You've got a player who's choosing to at least participate in a portion of the game. Now, even if it's about his own selfish reasons, which Cam Board was able to break the NCAA career record for touchdown passes, beating out Case Keenum during his time there at Houston. And so he did it in the first half through three touchdown passes, got the record, and then sat up the second half, obviously watched his team lose in the final minutes. Now, that being said, I don't really understand the outrage from this standpoint. Like, do people really think NFL teams are going to care? Like, he actually put himself out there to play in an era where a lot of players have not only opted out of games, Jamar Chase opted out of an entire season. Do we tend to forget that back when he was at lsu. And I'm not saying that Jeremiah Smith would ever do this at Ohio State, but based on his freshman season, they're obviously still playing for national championship Based on what I think he'll do next year as a sophomore, he would probably have every right to do so if he wanted to. I mean, that young man is NFL ready now. And so to have to put himself out there in harm's way for another year, yeah, he'll get an insurance policy, he'll get paid a lot of nil, but it won't be anywhere close to what he's going to receive when he's taken somewhere probably in the top three picks once he's draft eligible. What, in 2026? Is that it? 2027 is. My math is off, but I think you're getting. My point is, like, we're going to all of a sudden question the motivation for a young man who's trying to protect his ability to move on to the next level and make money, which at that level. There's a lot of players right now who are playing not to go to the playoffs, but for incentives for themselves, for their contract, to make sure they prolong their career in the NFL, because they can't necessarily opt out, at least not without making it look kind of shady. I just. I don't get the outrage with any of this.
Jason McIntyre
I think there's. Do you have a place that you go to eat with the family where it's like, if you go to that place, you have to eat that one specific item because they just, like, that's what you're used to whenever you go there, it's like, hey, I'm going here. I got to get this. You know, I got to get a. Like what? Like, whatever it is with college football. I think people are just so accustomed to bitching that they can't help themselves. It's a Pop Tarts bowl. Like, you've got a. You've got a weirdo dressed as a breakfast strudel jumping out of a fake toaster at the end of the game. Cam Ward goes out there, he plays the first half, he breaks the record. That's it. It's over, done. There doesn't need to be a conversation afterwards. He did what he did. Good for him. He assumed the risk. He went out there, he put it on the line for the first half. You could get hurt at any half of a game. Like, you remember Jalen Smith who got hurt playing? Like, people criticized him afterwards, saying, yeah, it's nice he went out and played. But you got to think about your draft stock. That guy was a top five pick, but in the bag, top five pick back. And I think, what, 2016? Yeah, like, and so when Christian McCaffrey sat at a bowl game, he got criticized for it. When Leonard Fournette sat at a bowl game, he got criticized for it all. They're being selfish. And so here Cam Ward actually plays the first half, goes out, breaks a record, and then sits out the second half. No, no, no. You've got to commit to the entire game. What does this work like? You can't help but people just want to complain when they talk about college football. It doesn't matter what the discussion is. We've got other conversations coming up. People just want to complain about college football because they're just so accustomed to doing it. I'm convinced. Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
I don't know. Maybe they just want to see Cam or get a piece of that gig Pop Tart there at the end.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
Matt Campbell and. And Rocco Beck. We're diving into all that icing you hate so much. I mean, if we really want to be upset about something, we should be upset about the fact that the NCAA is allowing a career record for touchdown passes to count for Cam Ward. Like, if you really want me to get on my soapbox and take like one of those hot takes, okay, here it is. All right. Cam Ward played five years. Okay, he did so two of which were these. Some of these stats were amounted at Incarnate Word, which is an FCS school. So is it really comparable to compare Case Keenum, who at least played at the FBS level for four years in three games in a year he got a medical red shirt when he tore his ACL to accumulate those career stats, or five years of playing because that first year at Incarnate Word was a Covid year, they get the additional year of eligibility. So all those stats count, all those touchdown passes count towards this record. And so not only should there be, I don't know, I want to say an asterisk, but we're counting a five year career versus a four and three games for a medical red shirt. And we're counting it two of those years at a lower level where he absolutely dominated, then went to Washington State, then went to Miami. So kudos to Cam Ward for the success that he's had. But I would go a step further and say this like, what's starting to bother me a lot about everything that's happening in the college football space is we talk about the history, we talk about the tradition. You know what? We do an awful job of protecting that history and that tradition. The legacy of guys like Barry Sanders, for example, who rushed for over 2000 years. What was the you could look up the exact number during his time at Oklahoma State, but he did have it like 11 games. And, and Ashton Genty look great player at Boise State, obviously a Heisman finalist, Doak Walker winner. He's incredible. Let's not compare him though, to Barry Sanders. Like, as much as we want to talk about how well this is a part of Ashton Genti's legacy or this is a part of Cam Ward's legacy, that's true. But what are we doing to protect the legacy of the guys who came before them? Like, it's just, it's not even comparable what Barry Sanders did in 11 games rushing versus what Ashton Genti has done. At this point, we're still, you know, still counting the stats isn't fair. It's not fair to the past players who only had four years of eligibility to do it. And you have now have guys who have stats that are counting for five years, six years because of COVID because of redshirt years, medical red shirts that they're counting. Like, if you really want to dig into like, what the issue should be with this conversation is the fact that he was playing in the first half at all. To go try to break this career touchdown record is part of the issue with the NCAA is we, we like try to make up ways that guys can break records when their eligibility. Now that we've got Diego Pava, who's eligible again next year, the quarterback at Vanderbilt because his JUCO years didn't count. So we keep changing and moving the goalposts with what these records are. That's the most ridiculous part of all of this that no one's talking about. And so, yeah, it's awesome that Cam Ward was able to throw for that many touchdown passes, but in reality, like, he didn't do it on a per game basis the way Case Keenum did. He didn't do it consistently at that high level or at a higher level like Houston during the time Case Keenum did. So you can give Ken Ward the record. I, I think there'd be an asterisk Next next to it.
Jason McIntyre
2,628Yards for Barry Sanders in 1988, which.
LeVar Arrington
Is 11 games, right?
Jason McIntyre
Yes. Mind boggling.
LeVar Arrington
And yet we're still like comparing players now who are playing into, you know, bowl games and conference championships and into the playoff now, which has been extended. And yet we're counting all of that. It's like, oh, he broke the record. It's like, well, imagine if Barry played 14 games. Do the math on that. He would have went over 3,000 yards.
Jason McIntyre
I mean, at this point, isn't Cam McCormick like on the verge of breaking the all time receiving record? I mean, he should be. He's been there 37 years.
LeVar Arrington
Maybe not, not that record. I don't know what he's got going.
Jason McIntyre
On down there at Miami, but maybe.
LeVar Arrington
Some other records, you know, if you're.
Jason McIntyre
Going to, for you to stick around, like how many. Cam McCormick just turned 53 by the way. So he's, he's still. They got another year of eligibility. Cam Rising might come back for another year.
LeVar Arrington
There's, there's all that year seven, year eight, something count at this point. And here's, I'm not going to bash the young men for coming back and taking their opportunity to play, but I, I think again we're, we're moving the goalpost in regards to how we want to talk about what our career records and all these stats and all these ways that we're acknowledging accomplishments for players. I was like, well, yeah, of course we'd throw for that many yards if you could play five, six years and all those years counted. So again, that's more my biggest gripe with all this. Like it's, it's really surprising that as many people, especially in this day and age and again, as I've said before, where players have opted out of an entire season and we see players opt out of both games all the time, especially ones that are insignificant and yet that's where the outrage is because he only played half the game. I mean, he did spot his team three points at half. I mean, they were up three points on Iowa State, so it was better than if he didn't play at all. And they start 00.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he did his job. Blame the bullpen. You know, it's not his fault they blew the game for him. By the way, would you have done anything different in the new landscape on your decision to come out? Cause you had another year of eligibility, correct?
LeVar Arrington
No, I came back. So again, back during those years you have, you know, once that clock starts, unless I would have had a medical register, I guess I could have sat out a year in between or something. But you know, once it starts, you're playing. And the decision would have been to come out after my junior year. And for me personally, it just, it felt like between the class of guys that I was with wanting to graduate, then I talked to some older guys who had given me the advice that just said it's really, really hard to come back and finish your degree. They're like life Just kind of hits you at a time where, you know, drove Bettis, I think, in a couple years ago.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
Finally came back and got his degree, which is awesome, and it was incredible. It's fun to watch. He's one of the most charismatic people you ever meet. But imagine that, like, having kids. His son's now committed to come to Notre Dame soon. I mean, imagine sitting in class with your son, you know, as you're trying to finish up your underground. He's starting, right? Like, granted, he'd be in different classes, different levels, but it would be to a degree. But then you're like, all right, who's doing the homework? Dad. Son. Doing the homework. But the general point is, I wanted to come back. I wanted to get my degree. I wanted another shot at trying to win a national championship. I wanted to be there with the guys I came in with. We had a really close class of guys. I wanted to be there for another year with them and try to obtain all those things. So it ended up not working out. But I wouldn't change that final year for anything. It was a great ride. I love Notre Dame, love my alma mater. And like I said, I just. I wish, if anything, there's times where I wonder back if I could have expressed more of an interest of wanting to redshirt. And that way, my true freshman year, I would have maybe gone through a lot of the lumps that I went through and trying to learn and trying to improve as a player, and would have been more mature, more prepared, especially within that offense, because it's not like we could enroll early like, back then. I came up early in the summer for workouts and things, but that was the extent, you know, they. We weren't allowed to enroll, like, in January, like they do now and then, and practice through spring practice. Hell, some of these guys are actually practicing to prepare for the bowl games, you know, juju Lewis, I believe his last name, the quarterback who's committed to Colorado to come in behind Shador Sanders as their starter. He's been practicing throughout, you know, the Bull practices before the Alamo Bowl. So that experience would be incredible.
Jason McIntyre
I think lavar said, man. Man, his son is already in State College, and if they were to win a national title, that he would. He would be eligible for a ring.
LeVar Arrington
Right?
Jason McIntyre
Like what?
LeVar Arrington
Which is crazy. I mean, again, different strokes for different folks. I'm not sure I would accept something if I wasn't there the entire year. But the general point is it's very different now, and it wasn't that way. At Notre Dame back then. It is now you have the capability of doing that. So that's one of the things that I wish I could have done either enrolled earlier at the halfway point of my senior in high school and got up to school earlier to then prepare more for that spring or if registered. I mean those are the things I more think about. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports.
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Jason McIntyre
The Monday night game later on tonight, the lions and the 49ers, it doesn't really mean anything to Detroit because next week's game against Minnesota is going to determine the one seed and the division. So if the Lions wanted to, I don't know if this is in their DNA, they could just sort of be like, eh, whatever. Well, we'll, we'll play it safe here tonight and then you just focus on next week.
LeVar Arrington
Is that accurate though?
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I was surprised. Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
Well, because the only reason I ask is, and again, I'm just double checking this, the lions are what, 13 and 2 right now?
Jason McIntyre
Yes.
LeVar Arrington
I mean so could they afford to lose this weekend? Next.
Jason McIntyre
No, they can't. Lose next week. Next week's a must win regardless. But right. Whatever they do.
LeVar Arrington
Because they would have the tiebreaker over the Vikings if they had the same record. Right.
Jason McIntyre
So whatever they do tonight doesn't matter. Yeah. Which would be like, if you think about the Lions, what a great story all year. Like, they could end up being a wild card team going on the road the entire. After they ran rough shot over the NFC all the time.
LeVar Arrington
The bigger question is, if you're Dan Campbell, do you sit anyone. If this is a meaningless game, why play anyone?
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
Why not? Why not use this? Because you're, because you're. Again, you're putting it all on the line to try to get a buy then that first that wild card round.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
So why would you play in this case, Jared Goff, why would you risk that?
Jason McIntyre
I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it personally. And based on the luck they've had at injury this year, like, I, I wouldn't, like, I would just assume the worst. But it's Dan Campbell. I mean, he, like, he's, he's a wild man. Like, he'll. He does weird stuff. Like he'll, he'll go for it when he maybe shouldn't go for it, you know, like he did in the NFC title game at San Francisco last year. So I don't, I mean, that, that would be my guess. Like, why even take the chance? But, but who knows? Maybe he looks at it and says, no, we're going to play how we play, regardless of the situation. I don't know. But I'm not taking that chance. I would gear up for next week against Minnesota and, and try and get it done there. Which is what's kind of crazy about it, is that it was just a couple of years ago that the Lions were featured in the final regular season game of the year, and it was against Green Bay and what turned out to be Rogers last game at Lambeau Field as a Packer. And that wasn't. The Lions weren't getting into the playoffs like Seattle had already clinched earlier, but they wanted to go out there and play hard in that game. And then two years later, they're playing final regular season game on Sunday night and they're doing it for a shot to be the 1 seed in the NFC with home field. Like kind of a crazy turnaround for that organization in just the matter of a couple of years. So we will. We'll see what Dan Campbell decides to do. Now. There's a lot of people out there that like, want to swim in the negative side of the pool. Not us. All right? We're not going to sit here and just pile on and be like, oh, you know, these teams are bad. So we decided, why don't we at least give an award out? I want to at least attach an award to this so at least people can feel good about things. And this is not like the Antonio Brown Awards that went on this weekend where he was handing out, you know, cracker of the Year awards to various personalities.
LeVar Arrington
Did you watch that?
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I did. I watched.
LeVar Arrington
Did you watch the whole thing? Were you hoping you would be Crackers of the Years?
Jason McIntyre
I wanted to win one so bad. I wanted to win so bad.
LeVar Arrington
You would be on his radar for being the Cracker of the Year.
Jason McIntyre
I don't know. I felt like it fit the description, to be honest with you. At least one portion of it. Now you got to actually do something important to get that award. Apparently, I did not. But congratulations to everybody who did that. Did win that award over the. Over the weekend by Antonio Brown. Man X is a wild place to be, man. There's a lot going on there. That said, we decided, you know what? Enough with this. It's a lot of bad teams in the NFL, but there are interesting at least. Well, who's the least interesting of them all? Like, if you gotta be bad, how bad are you gonna be? Because we want you to also be uninteresting. So, Brady Quinn, do you want to go first? Because I have my least Interesting Team in the NFL award already. To go.
LeVar Arrington
Yeah, I've got mine ready to go, too. But I want to throw out a question to you if I asked you. All right. You have to pick one division in each conference. Okay. Which is the least entertaining or the one that you would like to watch the least? Oh, the south side.
Jason McIntyre
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen. Yeah. This is no longer just a. Well, it's just the afc. No, no, no, no, no. The NFC south has done their part like they. They have done their part to provide mediocre football and a team that's most likely a one and done in the playoffs. Although I, you know, I. I do like Baker Mayfield and the Bucks. You know, that's a fun team to watch, but.
LeVar Arrington
Yeah, fun to watch, but everything out lacks entertainment.
Jason McIntyre
Not great. Not great at all. So who's your least interesting team in the NFL?
LeVar Arrington
My least interesting team? The NFL. And maybe this is in part, due to recent history and I'm sure this fan base, which is one of the best fan bases. I'm giving you a compliment will definitely take issue with this, but it's the New Orleans Saints. And look, historically, if you look at this franchise outside of the really Sean Payton, Drew Brees era, and really, even that was kind of hit and miss. Like they'd go on their runs of successful season, playoff seasons. Obviously, we're all going to go back and remember the loss in the conference championship. And look, I'm right there with you. It got stolen from you. The Rams had no business winning that game. That was one of the worst calls in the history. Maybe the worst. Maybe the worst outside of the Tuck rule play, which has changed since then. And I think a lot of Raiders fans would agree, but even a lot of haters of the Patriots would agree. Like, that changed a lot of history. Still, that play in New Orleans for Drew Brees, legacy for Sean Payton, that was one of the worst no calls in the history of the NFL. So much so they even created past interference as a challengeable play the following year. But it would be the Saints. For me, coming into the season, there was zero buzz, zero hype about this team and what this team could be. I've actually looked at this roster and always felt like it's. It's been a roster that could. Should probably achieve at a higher rate than it has, at least in recent years. And this is a year where it's just kind of like, look, I know Derek Carr has been out and Raller's been in, but I just. I look at the team and it's. They're probably one of the least interesting teams to watch. And it's not even because they're so bad. It's almost like they live in this purgatory of like, yeah, they'll be competitive, but then they've kind of gone on a streak of losing in the end, and it's just kind of is what it is. And it's just. It's just not good. I mean, they've lost, what, four of the last five since the buy, and they're probably going to lose next week to Tampa, who's got to win in order to win the NFC South. So it would be the Saints. For me, dog, it'll be the Saints.
Jason McIntyre
They were 2. 0 at one point. You know, I don't know if anybody.
LeVar Arrington
Yeah, and then they dropped. What is it, seven straight?
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. And then.
LeVar Arrington
Yeah.
Jason McIntyre
Was it. Was it Derek Carr that did the Michael Jackson after they scored against Dallas? And everyone's like, oh, man, this, you know, the Saints. Yeah, that's the team to watch. They're playing like the team from last year and then.
LeVar Arrington
And by the way, drumming opponents. I mean, one, we didn't know how bad Carolina was going to be this year. Now we're looking back on that loss going. If you compared Carolina and the Saints now, and granted, look, I mean, Panthers beat them, but if you compare the two right now, you'd say Carolina's playing probably better football.
Jason McIntyre
Oh, yeah, I would say. And also like the reason, because there may be some people that go, well, how. How are the Panthers not your least interesting team? Man, Bryce Young's playing so much better. Like, he's improved so much. And it does feel like there's at least some optimism there, which is surprising. Cause I don't know that anybody thought that that was possible with David Tepper as the owner. Like, so, yeah, I could, I could definitely see New Orleans being your pick. My pick for least interesting team in the NFL. And obviously we're going to stick with the South. It's the Tennessee Titans.
LeVar Arrington
Okay.
Jason McIntyre
I don't get it. I just. I don't get any of it at all. I don't.
Dan Patrick
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Jason McIntyre
Not only do I not get the team, I don't get the uniforms, I don't get the color scheme. I don't get. I swear to Christ, I don't get any of it at all. And I never have. Like, you've got to just, just take the Oilers jerseys. I do whatever. Like, or go back to the. Or like, whatever you want to do. Just like that. That was gold. And, and man up and vanish like a fart in the wind for all. Whatever you're rolling out nowadays on top of that. But the face of the franchise was Derek Henry. You let him walk, and all he's done is solidify his hall of Fame career in Baltimore. The other face of the franchise was Mike Vrabel. You let him walk and moved on from him. And now he's the hottest coaching candidate there is. Quarterback feels like a mess. Will Levis doesn't seem like he's the answer. They've got an opportunity to have the number one pick. And so at least there's some hope there. But as it stands right now, I don't get it. Like, I don't understand how if you're a Titans fan, you're watching that team going, oh, this is, this is a feel good moment for us. Like, yeah, like we feel great about this franchise, this organization. It just feels like they are in your. To your word, in purgatory, and looking around for answers. And on top of that, when you Think about where they were and the decision to move on from variable. This report comes out from Tom Pelissero this weekend that says the Titans are expected to retain Brian Callahan. Well, they should. He gave him the highlight of the year, which was that speech when he told everybody to stick it when they talk about his team not playing hard a couple of weeks ago. Other than that, what do they got? Like, seriously, what do they have?
LeVar Arrington
And I think they stuck him with a quarterback that wasn't his draft pick. He knew taking the job that he would go through this year and evaluating him. And now they put themselves in a position where if they want to go with the quarterback, they can go do that, but at least they have a better idea of what Will Levis is, what he isn't, despite whatever Pete Prisco thinks. That's part of it, I think. The other thing, when you look at their record so far this year, what's interesting is that their three wins, two of those wins, could have come against playoff teams. I mean, the Dolphins still have a shot of making in the playoffs, which they were able to beat them in, what, Week four, I believe that was the game Will Love us got hurt. Mason Rudolph came in.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
Maybe benched at that point. I can't quite recall. And then Tua was out at that point. So, full disclosure, it wasn't like the best version of Miami, but still, they got to win. And then the Texans, they beat him week 12. So it's. It's kind of hard when you look at this team, too, because there's times when you look and say, okay, they can be competitive, and you see the foundation they're trying to build in Tennessee, but they're just not there yet. And that seems rather obvious, but I'm with you. Like, I'm not sure about the uniform shot that you took at them. I mean, what would I go back to? The Oilers?
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Yes.
LeVar Arrington
Okay.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
LeVar Arrington
I mean, those were pretty dope uniforms back in the day.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's not too much to ask. It's not like we're asking to reinvent everything. We're just telling you, like, hey, you did it better before. Like, just go back to that. It's like these places that change their recipes for no reason. Like, why'd you do it? Like. Like, stick with the goods.
LeVar Arrington
They very well could get their fourth win of the season because Houston, who's already locked into a playoff spot, winning the division, that's who they're going to play in week 18. So there's a good chance that I would imagine they're sitting out there, players waiting to and resting, trying to get them healthy for the wild card game. That would be my assumption. Could be wr.
Jason McIntyre
If you could let me ask you this, would you if you could swap out the Houston Texans for the Cincinnati Bengals as a playoff team, I 100% would too, yes.
LeVar Arrington
Which again, we're not there yet in the season. But if we really want to be honest with ourselves and this is more of a conversation that's kind of born out of the issues with the College Football Playoff is you would look at at receding once you get in the playoffs. Like that's only fair when you look at a team that's kind of dragging along and I think we look at both NFC AFC south winners as kind of dragging along. We've seen teams in the past have a losing record but when their division so they get to host a home playoff game. Like there's elements of that that you're saying like I get it, obviously you've got to figure this out in some way and that's how the NFL has chosen to do it and they put a priority in winning your division. But it doesn't really make a ton of sense then for the games outside of that if they don't matter quite as much in the grand scheme of things.
Jason McIntyre
God, I'd love to see Cincinnati in the playoffs.
LeVar Arrington
I mean they put themselves in position, man. I mean the Colts knocked themselves out with their loss to the Giants and what it's between Miami and Cincinnati at this point and Denver and Denver, obviously Denver's got to win.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, Denver and Kansas City's already going to rest their starters so Denver's going to have an advantage there. So yeah, most likely Denver will get in, which that's still a good story.
LeVar Arrington
And Bonix, great story.
Jason McIntyre
Bonix has been fun to watch. And that defense, you know, it's an interesting one.
LeVar Arrington
Not one like we just talked about.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, not at all.
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Podcast Summary: The Dan Patrick Show – Best of The Dan Patrick Show
Release Date: December 30, 2024
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Jason McIntyre and LeVar Arrington kick off the episode by dissecting the recent NFL games, expressing frustration over what they perceive as a decline in game quality. They highlight the repetitive nature of the matchups and the lackluster performances across several teams.
Jason McIntyre [03:00]: "Done it a couple times and I hate it."
LeVar Arrington [03:29]: "There's that stuff that you want to keep... you don't wear it enough. Just get rid of it or donate it to someone who does."
The hosts delve into the unexpected success of the Washington Commanders, attributing their turnaround to a combination of coaching changes, a strong quarterback, and a revamped team culture. They commend the leadership of Dan Quinn and the performance of rookie quarterback Jaden Daniels.
LeVar Arrington [07:17]: "He's provided... a storybook. You can't make this stuff up."
Jason McIntyre [09:34]: "What surprised me the most is everyone wants to point to like one or two things. It's the combination of all of it."
A significant portion of the discussion centers around the Pop Tarts Bowl, particularly the actions of Cam Ward, who played only the first half to break the NCAA career touchdown pass record before sitting out the remainder of the game. The hosts debate the fairness and implications of his decision, questioning the integrity of record-keeping practices in college football.
Jason McIntyre [24:09]: "There's a lot of players right now who are playing not to go to the playoffs, but for incentives for themselves."
LeVar Arrington [29:55]: "We are moving the goalposts in regards to how we want to talk about what our career records and all these stats and all these ways that we're acknowledging accomplishments for players."
The conversation shifts to identifying the least interesting teams in the NFL. LeVar Arrington singles out the New Orleans Saints for their inconsistent performance post the Drew Brees era, while Jason McIntyre criticizes the Tennessee Titans for their lackluster gameplay despite having a promising roster.
LeVar Arrington [47:07]: "The New Orleans Saints... they're probably one of the least interesting teams to watch."
Jason McIntyre [50:49]: "You have big plans. I don't get it... I don't understand how if you're a Titans fan, you're watching that team going, oh, this is a feel good moment for us."
Looking ahead, the hosts speculate on the outcomes of upcoming crucial games, particularly the clash between the Minnesota Vikings and the Detroit Lions. They discuss potential playoff scenarios, the impact of coaching decisions, and the future prospects of key players like Sam Darnold.
Jason McIntyre [42:30]: "The Monday night game later on tonight, the Lions and the 49ers, it doesn't really mean anything to Detroit because next week's game against Minnesota is going to determine the one seed and the division."
LeVar Arrington [55:11]: "And Bonix has been fun to watch. And that defense, you know, it's an interesting one."
Towards the end of the episode, LeVar Arrington shares personal anecdotes about his college football experience, emphasizing the importance of education and long-term planning for athletes. The hosts also touch upon broader issues within the NFL, such as team management, player development, and the evolving landscape of college football playoffs.
LeVar Arrington [35:08]: "I wanted to come back. I wanted to get my degree. I wanted another shot at trying to win a national championship."
Jason McIntyre [33:22]: "2,628 Yards for Barry Sanders in 1988, which is mind-boggling."
Jason McIntyre [09:10]: "Bucky Brooks always told me that in scouting it was pretty simple that, yeah, you go by the tape first and then you start to work in some of those other things."
LeVar Arrington [29:55]: "We're still counting the stats isn't fair. It's not fair to the past players who only had four years of eligibility to do it."
Conclusion:
In this "Best of" episode, Jason McIntyre and LeVar Arrington offer a critical analysis of the current NFL season, spotlighting both commendable team performances and areas needing improvement. Their candid discussions on player decisions, team management, and the integrity of sports records provide listeners with insightful perspectives on the evolving dynamics of football.
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